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There is no difference in morality between adultery and homosexuality.

Yes there is. Adultery involves lying and breaking a solemn vow and contract. Homosexuality involves none of that, and is thus victimless.

If you don’t believe that lying and cheating others count as anything, then maybe you’re the one with the “moral problem.”

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bitblt Says:

bit has a right to related his understanding of Holy Scripture, which condemns all immoral sexual behavior including fornication, adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality.

My understanding of Holy Scripture condemns self-righteousness, judging and condemning others, oppressing the rights of others and acting “holier-than-thou.” I thus condemn you, as is my right.

Now, can I extend my right to say that fundamental Christians shouldn’t be allowed to marry and should be beaten in school?

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flight Says:

Sexual promiscuity, adultery or any of the sexual deviations can cause major social problems if left unchecked.

Any kind of behavior “can cause major social problems if left unchecked.” It’s not anybody’s business to “check the behavior” of anybody else under a legal system based on fundamental liberty. So long as a given behavior is victimless, it should not be criminalized in any way. If one doesn’t like that, then they are free to move to or establish another country in which they can legislate their religion on everybody else.

I don’t think God parses sex sins

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I really don’t how God judges, I’m not going to tell him how, and I am not going to judge.

Sexual promiscuity, adultery or any of the sexual deviations can cause major social problems if left unchecked. This is the area of immorality and is a component in both camps (gay and straight). This is an area where the parents and Churches have failed.

The young adults need the facts about sexuality, not mixed with morality. They are smart and the early we begin to trust their judgment the better off the country will be. Parents and Churches should cover the morality aspects.

Marriage may have to expand. It sounds healthy for two people who care enough of each other to spend a lifetime together, regardless of their orientation. The proposition does not sound vulgar or defacing the current perception of marriage.

Politics have perverted the morality/ sexual issues and the politicians’ exit is long overdue.

The best gift we can provide our children is their identities and the freedom to have those identities devolope and mature.

They fight us – and we are learning how to fight back. The one thing that makes them so bad is that they are such hypocrites.

I find it hard to refute characters like bitty without letting my contempt lead to rage. You nailed it.

Though I can’t resist adding that I think bitty, and his ilk, don’t even know themselves so they are utterly incapable of telling anyone else about how to express their identity.

Tell TPers what needs to be done to avoid the massive spending on the fastest growing poverty group in the U.S. – single mothers with children, ……..
Don’t believe you’ve figured out pete that most people today have never been told how best to conduct their lives.

You are judging when you tell people they are immoral. It is not your job nor anyone else’s job to judge other people’s morals. Unless you have a direct line to God, you are just another fallible human with your own dark secrets. I don’t want the responsibility of telling people how they should live their lives. Their relationship to their higher authority is their business. I stay away from judging other people because I do not consider myself a paragon of morality. You should do likewise.

When a group is taught that they are inherently superior, or inferior for that matter, the end result is bloodshed. Xenophobia has killed more people than smallpox.

There is no difference in morality between adultery and homosexuality.

bit agrees with this remark.

While TP has often noted the hypocrisy involved in the adultery of a conservative notable, bit believes the only noteworthy instance of homosexuality was also from a Republican politician. That is, TP apparently doesn’t agree with your comparison.

You can limit, to an extent, what your children learn but you can’t shut out the World. And you have no right to impose your, so-called and self-defined, “morality” on other people’s kids.
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm

You seemed to have missed that judging is not bit’s department.

bit has a right to related his understanding of Holy Scripture, which condemns all immoral sexual behavior including fornication, adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality. You also seem to have missed that sexual immorality has a real cost – a cost that is continually paid by you and bit.

If you think you have something better pete, why don’t you say what it is?

Tell TPers what needs to be done to avoid the massive spending on the fastest growing poverty group in the U.S. – single mothers with children, or is it the case pete that you think everyone has the right to live however they want even if living that way bankrupts, morally and literally, the country and even if living that way requires that the results of the behavior of irresponsible men will be paid for by others. Can you have justice in a society that permits irresponsible men to ruin the lives of so many and have the bill presented to others?

Don’t believe you’ve figured out pete that most people today have never been told how best to conduct their lives.

You can limit, to an extent, what your children learn but you can’t shut out the World. And you have no right to impose your, so-called and self-defined, “morality” on other people’s kids.

Homosexuality, OTOH, has a major “in your face” – not hidden, not shameful – component.

I wouldn’t rely on FRC for anything since it is apparent they have a political agenda.

There is no difference in morality between adultery and homosexuality. The reason why TP and the media jump all over the Republican sexual peccadilloes is because their party platform talks about family values. The Dems do not have such a party platform. It is axiomatic that the public will tear apart people who pontificate and are caught in a sexual affair. That applies to both parties. However, the people most likely to pontificate are from the Republican party and the religious right. There is nothing partisan about these attacks because the person brought it on themselves.

Adultery is still immoral by your standards and these people should lose their jobs. They don’t because adultery between heteros is so widespread. If ministers started to go after adultery as much as gay people, the churches would be practically empty. Gay people are an easy target because ministers will offend very few of their church.

Finally, homosexuality is not “in your face” lifestyle. There have been many gay people who have been involuntarily exposed and lost their jobs, particularly in the military. Many gay people are content to blend in regular society rather than become a part of a city’s gay ghetto. These people are all around you but you just don’t know who they are.

Absolutely. Kern didn’t mention adultery in her list, but she did include divorce.

It’s a very common saw among conservative Christians that if the heterosexuals were behaving, the homosexuals would simply go back into the closets.

Adultery is very definitely included when bit says immorality breeds immorality. bit also understands that divorce courts in the 1960’s referenced scripture in their decisions, but this changed when CA instituted no fault divorce around 1967.

There’s still a big difference between adultery and homosexuality. Adultery for most people is still a shameful act which needs to be hidden. TP only brings it up when TP’s motive is embarrass leaders of the Republican party. Seems to be that liberal mind set that thinks it has a special built-in hypocrisy detector.

Homosexuality, OTOH, has a major “in your face” – not hidden, not shameful – component.

Later.

I trust the beer is cold. Have a great Fourth, my friend.