Senate Finance Committee may deny access to abortion.
Senate Finance Committee may deny access to abortion.
As Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) prepares to unveil the Senate Finance Committee’s bipartisan health care reform legislation later this week, several blogs are reporting that Republicans on the Committee are pushing legislation that would require insurers operating within the new Exchange to to deny coverage for abortion services. From Raising Women’s Voices:
The Senate Finance Committee has been writing a health care reform bill and struggling to create legislation that will have bipartisan support. Chairman Max Baucus (pictured left) considered several compromises to win Republican support, so they can claim it is bipartisan legislation. One of these potential compromises comes in the form of an abortion exclusion, which would prevent abortion services from being covered by some or all insurance plans in the Health Insurance Exchange. We fear that members of the Senate Finance Committee are considering such a compromise.
Should it pass, the Senate Finance version would be the only bill that specifically prohibits a medical service. As the Wonk Room points out, “if denying abortion services to women is the price of bipartisanship, then perhaps winning those one or two Republican votes isn’t worth the price of jeopardizing women’s health and well-being.”
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I DON’T WANT ANY REPUBLICANS WRITING ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK….fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!1
July 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pmContact your congress people immediately and tell them not to support this amendment.
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July 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThere is a 20 seat majority in the Senate. Why are/would any GNOP voices be incorporated into any piece of legislation?
I suspect this is a scheme to get Dems to vote “no” on healthcare reform, and I hope they’re not too stupid to see it!
PEACE
July 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pmHerein lies the real danger in government-run single-payer health care.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
This is not acceptable, and there is no excuse for this. The democrats have a filibuster proof majority in the senate. There is no reason to compromise with the republican side at all. I don’t care if every single senate republican pushes for this, there is still no excuse to put such an amendment in the bill. If we don’t have the votes to overcome a filibuster fine – make them stay up all night filibustering the bill. Then ram it through with reconciliation on a 51 majority vote. If the dems cave on this, then what good is it to have a dem majority?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pmNote to Democrats: WE WON THE ELECTION – screw this bipartisan shit — tell those obstructionist and misogynist GNOP MORONS to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pmI bet you these are the same repukulicans who write this piece of “No-Choice” bullcrapola policy probably secretly tells all their constituents to go to the “backdoor” clinics and charge a “referral fee” on the side.
I want to start a “Pro-Choice” protest outside Baucus office.
Baucus are you taking care of the people of Libby,MT?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pmThe SFC is congress’ last remaining country club from the cluster of them that plagued the 109th congress.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pmPiss on “bipartisanship” with these right-wing Republican morons and bullies. They certainly couldn’t even be bothered to give us Dems the time of day when they were in absolute power during the rule of the Bush gangster regime. Ignore ‘em now.
Abortion is the termination of pregnancy. Abortion is not “murder,” it is the termination of pregnancy. Abortion is just another form of birth control. Without birth control, our cities, towns, counties, and states would be even more overcrowded with people, people and more people. Humans need to stop reproducing by from 90% to 99% to give the planet a rest and give it some time to recover from the abuse of human over-population.
Do you want the federal government to get between a woman and her doctor? Republicans do. These self-appointed right-wing busybodies are not “pro-life.” They are anti-woman and anti-sex. They want to punish women for having sex that results in a conception by forcing them to carry the pregnancy to term and thus produce another unwanted child.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pmAre the Bucking Fabboons running this nation?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pmYou were elected to govern under a Democratic agenda…..NOW FU**EN GOVERN UNDER THE AGENDA YOU WERE ELECTED FOR WE DON’T NEED IMPUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS…IE REPUBLICANS WITH THERE INSURANCE PROGRAMS….IDIOTS!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pmAah, I say let ‘em put everything they want in the “bipartisan” bill so everybody can see just how awful the results are when Republicans are allowed to participate in legislation.
Then come out with the real bill.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pmProud Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Ohhhhh, the irony…
July 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pmJust because a great health bill would garner only 51 votes doesn’t mean that would reflect poorly on President Obama. The people know and approve of a public option and disapprove of the self-important crybabies who take insurance company money without having to buy their obscene product.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pmForced motherhood, in all cases, rape, incest, major deformities and birth defects of all kinds are the Publicans core values.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pmMethinks the birth defects must be responsible for such thinking.
Proud Says:
Awful thing attacking preemptive war. Preemptive war is a core value of the Rethuglican party. Without the ability to kill on demand the neoconservative world crashes down and the world ends as they know it.
There – fixed it for you.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pmProud Says:
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Awful thing attacking abortion. Abortion is a core value of the democrat party. Without the ability to kill on demand the liberal world crashes down and the world ends as they know it.
Take your GOD AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!!! This is about womens rights not your fu**en religion….to stupid to think for yourself. By the way…do you believe in Unicorns ??
UIA….UNITED IDIOTS OF AMERICA
July 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pmProud Says:
Awful thing attacking abortion. Abortion is a core value of the democrat party. Without the ability to kill on demand the liberal world crashes down and the world ends as they know it.
Goo Goo Ga Ga Bomb Bomb Bomb.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThis is disturbing. Screw the darned Rethuglicans!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pmWell, shit, Zooey! I’ve got that idiot Casey as one of my senators and he’s anti-choice! I guess it’s a good thing Arlen switched sides. I’ll call Casey’s office, but I know I’ll get the same pat response of “You knew Senator Casey’s position on abortion (and stem cell research) when he ran for the Senate.” And they’ll get my pat response of “Yes, and that’s why I worked so hard to keep him from winning the nomination.”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Any idiot could have beaten Santorum, and Bob Casey proves it.
PEACE
July 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pmSo the Rethugs don’t mind dictating what procedures a physician can or cannot perform when it’s them (the gop )who decide. Hypocrites
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pmSo are they going to deny access to Viagra and vasectomies for men?
Keep your RELIGIOUS CRAZIES OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pmspencers mom Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
That’s exactly the kind of response I get from my representation. *sigh*
July 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pmProd, don’t know how to break it to ya, but the highest abortion rate, along with the highest rates of divorce, incest, rape, teen pregnancy and spousal abuse, come from those red states you love so much.
But thanks for playing!
PEACE
July 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pmIsn’t the Republican scare tactic saying government sponsored insurance will restrict procedures available to those with “public” coverage? Then they go ahead and restrict care, thus creating the boogeyman.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pmProd is a f ucking imbecile.
I didn’t just now notice that, I just don’t think I’ve ever expressed it in so many words.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThe hypocrisy of the Rethuglican party is amazing. Most insurance plans do not cover birth control or abortions but they DO cover prescriptions for viagra and other ED drugs!
They’re against abortion but have no problem shipping off our troops to die. They have no problem with the death penalty. They’re obsessed with guns and killing! They’re pro-War, pro-mayhem and pro-murder.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm#11 Proud -
you, with that post, out did yourself in the area of hypocrisy.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThanks Zooey I just emailed Baucus but his number is directing you to a 1-800 number and I contacted my own NY Senators and Rep.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pmAnything less than single payer should result in unemployment for those voting for it.
Dump Pelosi, Appoint Kucinich.
Dump Reid, Appoint Feingold.
Christ, aren’t we tired of this crap yet?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pmI shudder reading this article and what is being alleged. I hope this is not true. It amazes me just how much pro-lifers want to interfere with a woman’s right to choose.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pmProud Says:
You have all convinced me to change my opinion, I am okay with abortion as long as it a liberal getting the abortion. Maybe with any luck in a couple of generations you will have aborted all future potential liberals out of exsistence.
So you’re ok with abortion after all. That makes you a baby killer in more ways than one, a political assassin. “Pro-life” my friends.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pmSounds like the party of “No More Government in our lives”…
July 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pmis about to step into our lives…some more…
Blue Dogs and republicans are a mind set of NO, NO, NO…
versus being a political process….
Ph..uck em…let them all move to Alaska and Make Sarah Prez and McCain Vice prez..
Proud Says:
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You have all convinced me to change my opinion, I am okay with abortion as long as it a liberal getting the abortion. Maybe with any luck in a couple of generations you will have aborted all future potential liberals out of exsistence.
If the remaining support of Repugs is 24% which happens to be palin and rush supporters….WE HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT….WE NEED WHITE TRASH TO KEEP OUR SAFTY NET GOING!!!!
HOW MANY LIBS ARE EDUCATED AND HOW MANY REPUGS SPEAK LIKE SARAH????? FU**EN IDIOT PROUD….JUST A FU**EN IDIOT!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pmEven if this exclusion were in the legislation, would any Republicans vote for it? I don’t think they would. Keep the coverage for abortion and force these idiot Republicans to face the voters the next time they come up for election and see how long they last.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:43 pmProud Says:
Awful thing attacking abortion. Abortion is a core value of the democrat party. Without the ability to kill on demand the liberal world crashes down and the world ends as they know it.
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I just hope your daughter, niece, girlfriend, wife, sister, aunt et al don’t get raped and than get pregnant by the rapist?
Pro-Choice!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:46 pmranus69 Says:
I just hope your daughter, niece, girlfriend, wife, sister, aunt et al don’t get raped and than get pregnant by the rapist?
Are you kidding, Proud would push and shove his way to the front of the line so his daughter, niece, girlfriend, wife, sister, aunt et al would get their abortion and that night start posting about the evils of abortion!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:49 pmAs long as they cover the Viagra there shouldn’t be a problem. (sarc off)
July 6th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI DON’T WANT ANY REPUBLICANS WRITING ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE
would like to see Baucus out of there in decision making also.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:51 pmRepublicans continually demonstrate that they don’t care about the health or privacy of women.
Actually, they don’t care about the abortion issue either, they’re simply trotting out the abortion boogie man to stir up their halfwit voters.
Either way, they won’t vote for health care reform. They just want to be able to tell their stupid voters that they tried to eliminate abortion funding from the bill, but the bad bully Democrats just want to kill more “babies.”
If abortion ever went away, the troglodyte anti-choicers would never enter another voting booth.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:53 pmabortion has nothing to do with religion. Most believers and non believers know that killing innocent babies is WRONG.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:53 pmgreat commentfrom….
spencers mom Says:
Prod, don’t know how to break it to ya, but the highest abortion rate, along with the highest rates of divorce, incest, rape, teen pregnancy and spousal abuse, come from those red states you love so much.
proud’s comments make a good case for the above statistics
July 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pmAbortion has nothing to do with government. Most people know that heath care decisions are between a woman and her doctor.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI agree with the Wonk Room — if this is what Baucus and the Republicans want for bipartisanship, then to hell with them. Denying the civil rights of women in order to get health care is a bargain with the devil. Screw the bastards. Pass health care with NO repugniscum!!
July 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pmHi The Young Republican
July 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pmCan you please define baby.
Thanks-
Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
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Abortion is just another form of birth control.
you really need to drop that line from your rant…
technically true, maybe, but practically, it’s NOT.
… unless you believe the lies of the lying liars who tell them…
they appreciate you passing that fallacy along though…
i don’t.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pmScraping a baby out of its mother’s womb isn’t killing? What planet do you live on?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:58 pmAs Noam Chomsky and others have noted, our politicians are far, far to the right of the citizens on most major issues, as are the corporate media. This is what’s driving us nuts these days.
As far as I can see, only Democratic politicians believe in this bipartisanship thing. Anyone reasonably conversant with today’s Republicans knows they just don’t do bipartisan. They don’t know that tune.
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In all the world, there’s just one group of people–elected Democrats–who keep bringing up this ugly topic.
Haven’t they noticed the Repubs show no appetite for joining the party they are trying so desperately to throw?
Meanwhile, wingers in general are stocking up on ammo, talking about secession, going into “Obama’s birth certificate” fugues, and praying for another big terror attack. Not exactly the stuff of bipartisanship.
I doubt that very many lefties outside of Congress or the White House want bipartisanship, either. Curmudgeon that I am, I regard bipartisanship as treason. It really does seem to be the confection of desperate Democrats. What they’re so desperate about is the real mystery.
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July 6th, 2009 at 4:59 pmWell they are trying to over turn Roe v. Wade… This is a piss poor excuse to end something that is totally legal! My baby days are over, but there are many women out there that cannot take birth control or have enough money to feed their children when they are born. Will these stupid neocons pay for food for these babies when they are born? NO they would not. I am hoping that the Democrats are not that guillable to go along with that, and in this economy how the hell is a woman going to end an unwanted Pregnancy, if these women cannot afford an abortion, how the hell can they afford a child to feed, cloth, doctors, dentist, until they are 18 years old.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:59 pmabortion has nothing to do with religion. Most believers and non believers know that killing innocent babies is WRONG.
But killing innocent lives in Iqra is ok??? putting people to death and then finding out they were wrongly convicted??? HAVING FU**ING WARS IS OK???? LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE YOU FU**EN IDIOT AND TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF GODS ASS…IF THERE IS ONE, IM SURE HE’S GETTING TIRED OF THE FEELING!!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pmThanks, Zooey at #3.
I called both Baucus’ office and Sen. Durbin’s office to give them my opinion. Baucus can go to hell if this is the bargain he wants to make – and my Senator, Durbin, is the majority whip — he had better crack the “whip” on the Dems and pass this health care without denying the civil rights of women.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWhat a relief to know that Senate Democrats continue to cater to the right wing. Being a Democratic supporter means you support a party that regularly spits in your eye.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pmI just sent this to Feinstein and Boxer, but they are both strong supporters on Pro-choice issues, so I Don’t know how much I helped.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pmI urge you to vote against the Republican amendment to the health care reform bill that would deny coverage for abortion services. Just like the stimulus bill, funds for woman’s reproductive services were cut to gain Republican support for the bill, and in the end only 3 Republicans supported the bill, This will not result in Republican support for the bill, but will further hurt women. Republicans have no new ideas and seek only to obstruct everything President Obama and the Democrats do. The American people voted for change, change from misogynistic Republican rule, and the American people are counting on our Senators to do that. As a woman, I hope that you understand how important access to abortion is for woman’s health. I hope that you do the right thing.
The Republicans are going to cut Bachus at the knees. When the final bill comes out they will vote against it despite their input into the bill. I also am writing my Senators Durbin and Burris. This cave in to the religious right is wrong, wrong and wrong.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:14 pmScraping a baby out of its mother’s womb isn’t killing?
July 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm–Well you seem to have a colorful way of describing something but I am not sure what. It can’t be those very rare late term abortions since that isn’t how that works so I am usnsure what procedure you mean. Doesn’t really matter as no what you describe whatever it is isn’t killing by virtue ofthe laws of the land. Is scratching living cells off one’s ass killing?
This makes absolute sense to gain the support of Sens. Nelson and Landrieu. The backup plan of the Obama Adm. to help Arlen and Bob Jr. in Pennsylvania. We’ll get to trade birth control and reproductive health in exchange for no abortion services because of all the Catholic hospitals, etc in our health delivery system. I pity the kind of sausage women will end up having to digest to get health care for their familiies thru our current male-dominated legislative bodies. Hopefully, women will finally understand the need to run and win elections and conversely see what the religious patrimony of their submission has wrought. Holy mother of god vegetarianism never sounded so good.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pmToday’s question on cnn:
Hey cnn, no one cares! How about a non manipulative and direct question regarding a public health care plan? This would bring an overwhelmingly high, 85% and over, pro public health care vote.
Why isn’t cable news sensationalizing the needs and wants of the people as they do other stories for distraction?
July 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThe Young Republican Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pmScraping a baby out of its mother’s womb isn’t killing? What planet do you live
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It’s unfortunate I have to share my planet with you, such pity.
What’s really idiotic is that those who will wail about “killing babies” will just as rabidly oppose universal free contraception.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pmlinkwray Says:
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This makes absolute sense to gain the support of Sens. Nelson and Landrieu. The backup plan of the Obama Adm. to help Arlen and Bob Jr. in Pennsylvania. We’ll get to trade birth control and reproductive health in exchange for no abortion services because of all the Catholic hospitals, etc in our health delivery system. I pity the kind of sausage women will end up having to digest to get health care for their familiies thru our current male-dominated legislative bodies. Hopefully, women will finally understand the need to run and win elections and conversely see what the religious patrimony of their submission has wrought. Holy mother of god vegetarianism never sounded so good.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
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Sen. Casey’s father was Govenor of Pennsylvania, for eight years, he did not believe in the death penalty, but did not abolish it, he did not believe in abortion,but made modification, that you must be at least 12 weeks to abort a baby. His son is the same way.
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July 6th, 2009 at 5:36 pm“you must be at least 12 weeks to abort”…???
are you sure, dawn? that doesn’t make sense…
July 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pmmaybe UNDER 12 weeks?
Make it a federal crime to father an unwanted child.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:54 pmDawn9154 says:
Nope, going to have to disagree. Bob Casey, Jr. was the single vote that prevented the override of Bush on stem cell research. And that was designed to utilize embryos slated for discard from fertility clinics, not aborting 12-week gestations.
PEACE
July 6th, 2009 at 6:01 pmKaty; yeah if you were four months gone, no you cannot have abortion. I live in PA, he was my Govenor. I actually knew when I became pregnant with both of my children, my oldest will be 34 and my youngest will be 30 next year. I guess three months is a time line for any abortion. Anything past that is when they can tell the sex and hear the heartbeat.
But laws are different in all 50 States!
July 6th, 2009 at 6:30 pmProud sez: Abortion is a core value of the democrat party.
No, you DUMBASS….Choice and keeping their noses out of how women handle their sexual and reproductive lives are core values of the DEMOCRATIC party.
July 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pmProud sez: Abortion is a core value of the democrat party.
Sorry this wedge issue isn’t working and never will.
In fact if there were murderers to found around the issue of abortion it would be those with your mind set.
It was the religious nut jobs that took the procedure Dilation and Extraction, a medically necessary procedure decided privately by the physician and patient and turned it into a politically ugly tool by giving it the name partial birth abortion…. and putting the name on doctors that perform it baby killers leading to the murder of physicians.
July 6th, 2009 at 6:59 pmWhen will people stop taking the bait when right wing ideologues lay out wedge issues just to prevent anything meaningful from being accomplished?
The political left needs to let it be known that any Senator or Representative who gets fooled by right wing tactics and allows legislation that promotes their agenda to come to the floor for a vote will face opposition from the left come re-election time.
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July 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pmI have a ligitiment question? I actually know that alot of people here are alittle upset about the Republicans who are trying to slip no abortion into the Healthcare, what I heard tonight on MSNBC that the Taliban are using Children to be a suicide bombers. These right wingnuts should be up in arms, to me that is a form of child abuse! I just want some imput on this bit of news…
July 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pmThe religious right wing wants control over people in the US via government and the Taliban by bombing them.
July 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pmNOT Acceptable.
Not just NO, Hell No!
July 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pmTo all here, I do love Children, but my belief is you have as many children as you can afford. If you can afford one, just have one, if you can’t afford any, than don’t have children, until you are finacially secured, and in this recession, no one can afford to have any abortion, so is the Government going to support these unwanted Babies?
If we continue to have children this Country will be over populated and we could go the way of China of One child per family, I actually don’t know if they still have that law, but many baby girls were adopted out of China, they wanted just boy babies, but I heard from someone, many years that they are stopping that, the boy/girl ratio is lopsided.
July 6th, 2009 at 7:41 pm#47 pounded on the keyboard until the following spewed forth:
abortion has nothing to do with religion. Most believers and non believers know that killing innocent babies is WRONG.
Uh, no. Abortion is removing a clump of cells incapable of surviving without it’s host. At the time of most abortions, the EMBRYO cannot be distinguished from a cow.
July 6th, 2009 at 7:47 pmHell, based on how the Big Insurers work, being female is a pre-existing condition and they can just deny any type of reproductive health care, and that would include prenatal, labor and delivery as well.
July 6th, 2009 at 7:53 pmA good bet: Obama would sign a bill like this. He signed the Do-Nothing Credit Card Bill which did not cap interest USURY rates but did manage to get guns into the National Park system.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:06 pmMy bet is if a bill with this prohibition makes it to his desk, he’ll sign it.
Dawn 1954 wrote:
July 6th, 2009 at 8:11 pm“To all here, I do love Children, but my belief is you have as many children as you can afford. If you can afford one, just have one, if you can’t afford any, than don’t have children”
And the same should go for healthcare (if you cannot afford it don’t get sick) education (if you can’t afford it stay dumb and in the service sector) nutrition (if you can’t afford it, eat ramen noodles and eggs) etc. etc.
As the disparity in wealth grows, more and more Americans will find themselves childless, should Dawn’s advice be law,and when the oligarchs and Obama have succeeded inprivatizing your Social Security (or as Zer-O put it “universal tax free savings accounts) and there is eventually no safety net then what happens to you in your old age?
Basic logic lesson for trolls:
If murder is illegal and,
July 6th, 2009 at 8:12 pmabortion is legal, then,
abortion is not murder.
kassandrasduplex Says:
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A good bet: Obama would sign a bill like this. He signed the Do-Nothing Credit Card Bill which did not cap interest USURY rates but did manage to get guns into the National Park system.
My bet is if a bill with this prohibition makes it to his desk, he’ll sign it.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:06 pm.
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President Obama, needs to be aware of what the hell is in these bills that is put forth on his desk. Abortion is a personal choice and not the American Government choice, you see bumber stickers, sayin keep your roseries out of my ovaries.
I can not have anymore children, but if I would have been pregnant after my daughter was born, I would have had an abortion. We did not have that much money and I would not be able to raise a third child. Some people should think about that instead of thinking abortion as birth control. This is common sense.
July 6th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIf this is what it takes to Git R dun…. Then do it. We can always fix it later with another nugget of legislation.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pmObama is aware of what is in the bills. There are compromises on legislation that are necessary to get the bill passed. However, in this case, the Republicans have drawn the line at a public option which appears to be a fait accompli. It makes no sense for the Dems to water down the bill to suit the Republicans who are going to vote against it anyway. The Dems need to work out the bill among themselves and ram it through just like the Republicans did with legislation. It would be easier for the two Senators who want the abortion provision in to withdraw their objection and let the bill go. They can easily tell their constituents that the bill is what is needed even without the provision. It is annoying that these Senators are insisting that a bill be tailored to their specific conditions in order to receive the votes.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pmThe “Democrats” know they don’t need any support from the Republicans and could pass single-payer, not-for-profit healthcare tomorrow if they wanted to. They could also pass that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell legislation that Obama claims he is waiting for.
They really want to help, but those bribes are just too sweet.
July 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
Abortion is just another form of birth control.
No, no, no, get with the program! Abortion is never used as birth control.
dbadass Says:
Scraping a baby out of its mother’s womb isn’t killing?
–Well you seem to have a colorful way of describing something but I am not sure what. It can’t be those very rare late term abortions since that isn’t how that works so I am usnsure what procedure you mean. Doesn’t really matter as no what you describe whatever it is isn’t killing by virtue ofthe laws of the land. Is scratching living cells off one’s ass killing?
Db, not you too? Please remember, while a fetus has no more worth than a tumor or those cells you are scratching off your butt, abortion is never
July 6th, 2009 at 11:08 pmundertaken lightly. It is a very difficult decision that is made only after much thought and consideration despite the worthlessness of the fetus. ;)
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republicans hate facts Says:
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upright left Says:
Scraping a baby out of its mother’s womb isn’t killing?
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Still having trouble following comments, eh bud? ;)
July 7th, 2009 at 2:03 amI would think that those here with an “alternative lifestyle” would be opposed to abortion. How else are they supposed to start a family. If it wasn’t for adoption all they would have is a chihuauas to raise as their kids.
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July 7th, 2009 at 9:24 amIF there is to be no abortions in the health plan then there should be NO E.D. drugs of ANY kind for men, simple as that.
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