Jacksonville Tea Party Protest Features Signs Comparing President Obama To Hitler
Jacksonville Tea Party Protest Features Signs Comparing President Obama To Hitler
During July 4th celebrations last weekend, anti-Obama protesters again assembled for tea parties across the country. The Washington Independent has noted that the tea party movement has lost steam since April, and that the protests last weekend were sporadic. In Jacksonville, FL, attendance was estimated to be 4,500 people for the April protest, but last week drew only 1,000.
The Duval County Republican Party, one of the organizers of the Jacksonville protest, has been engulfed in controversy because of numerous posters featured at the rally depicting President Obama as Adolf Hitler:
The Duval County Republican Party posted the pictures on the Party Facebook page. Racist and offensive posters have become a norm for tea parties, with signs comparing Obama to Osama Bin Laden distributed at the very first rallies.
Though the Duval County GOP has tried to disassociate itself from the protest, a new ad campaign, paid for by other tea party organizers, compares Obama to Hitler.
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go figure, the only place the teaparty “movement” is even somewhat relevent is in the south
July 6th, 2009 at 10:52 amIt’s amazing how these people continue to use the “Obama=Socialist” meme, even though the administration’s poliies are moving farther and farther away from any semblance of socialism. But why let facts get in the way of a good hate slogan, right?
July 6th, 2009 at 10:54 amTeabaggers? Comparing Obama to Hitler? So nu?
No one could have predicted…
It’s Facialism, people! Close your eyes and TAKE it!
July 6th, 2009 at 10:58 amBush was more like Hitler than Obama could ever aspire to.
It would be easier in a dictatorship, just as long as I’m the dictator- George W. Bush
The Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper-George W. Bush
July 6th, 2009 at 10:59 amClassy. I invoke Godwin’s law on them!
July 6th, 2009 at 11:00 amSICK.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am“The Duval County Republican Party, one of the organizers of the Jacksonville protest”
at least they’ve given up the pretense of these pony and cart shows being grassroots events
July 6th, 2009 at 11:03 amThey’ve got the right idea, just subtract one from the President Number…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:03 amThe Duval Republicans are trying to have it both ways. They organized the protests and now they want to disclaim their involvement because of the posters. As usual, Republicans think they can avoid criticism for what transpired. I would imagine that some of the local papers will be condemning the protesters and by extension, the local Republican party.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:06 amso stoopid it’s scary…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:07 amThe problem with these teabaggers is that they are making signs about things they don’t even know about, except via Fuchs Noose, Limbaugh and the other far right-wing commentators/politicians. If they were asked to define terms like socialism, communism, der Fuhrer, fiscal conservatism, and terrorist and to provide examples of these terms, they wouldn’t have a clue. These folks have sold their futures and those of their relatives and children in exchange for talking points, having absolutely no idea that what the president is trying to achieve will improve their lives in the long-run. This is the ultimate example of stupidity for public consumption because who in their right mind would help people at the top of the food chain get richer while they themselves get poorer?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:08 amIf Obama is indeed the equivalent of Hitler, he’d probably see to the rounding up of conservative Republicans and send them to concentration camps.
Hmmm. I need to think on that one. Hmmm.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:08 amYou know, it was great to spend a weekend without having a television around. No Fox News, no coverage of the tea parties…
…wait, did ANYONE cover the tea parties Saturday?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:09 amHelp. I need some help with recent American political history.
If I am not mistaken just after Bush illegally invaded and occupied Iraqnam, wasn’t it the Repignofascist Party that claimed anyone disagreeing with the President was unpatriotic?
Do I remember that correctly? If so, then why isn’t the Duval County Repignofascist Party and the Repignofascist National Committee coming out and strongly denouncing this sort of unpatriotic horse hockey?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:13 amI don’t think they even happened. I can’t find all that many pictures of the “Independence Day Tea Party” on photobucket. I’ve tried variations… There is hardly anything.
This is why don’t insert BS politics into the 4th of July.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:15 amI have heard so much on different blogs; they call Obama a socialist, a Fascist and a Marxist, damn this man is good he is Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin rolled up in one!
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Frugalchariot Says:
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If Obama is indeed the equivalent of Hitler, he’d probably see to the rounding up of conservative Republicans and send them to concentration camps.
Hmmm. I need to think on that one. Hmmm.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
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Sure, he has secret Death Camps all over the Country and he is going to gas anyone who disagrees with him, that is something that those Neocon whackjobs would come up with.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:16 amRemember he went to a death camp and came away feeling different. It happens!
GOP teabakkkers….the new skinheads……spread the “christian” love.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:16 amFunny but it would seem that when obama makes signing statements , proposes an executive order to incarcerate people preemptively without charges , plans to put an additional 20 000 troops on the ground in America , appoints the very people who created the financial crisis in charge of solving it while rewarding billions of borrowed dollars to these same corporations ,expands bushes legal rationale in the courts , continues rendition ect . he gets a free pass .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:17 amWhats up with that ?
DUMBING DOWN AMERICA IS WORKING WELL IN THE SOUTH!
Tell me again why God should bless America???
July 6th, 2009 at 11:17 amah yes the GOP base. Stay classy.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:18 amWhen Bush did these things he was called and rightly a fascist . When Obama does them he gets a standing ovation ?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:19 amwant links ?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:21 amThis doesn’t surprise me at all. And by the looks of things these idiots aren’t going to stop, listen, or learn.
Over the 4th of July weekend…a car pulls up behind me and the guys inside responded to my Obama bumper sticker by calling me hostile names and an “N” Lover. At an event at the beach, while minding my own business I was called a communist lover, just by mentioning Obama’s name. This behavior is pathetic, and I’m sick of these uneducated idiots.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:23 amPosse comitatus .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:24 amdeebaser Says:
This is why don’t insert BS politics into the 4th of July.
No doubt that the organizers completely fudged up the idea of the tea parties.
1. No real advertisement from Fox News. A few mentions, but it was obvious that the news channel wanted to celebrate what America was and not what it would be, according to their observations.
2. No real Republican presense. Let’s face it–would politicians want to attend a rally on July 4th or celebrate with hot dogs and hamburgers? Besides, with Sanford and Palin, two of the GOP’s biggest all-stars in April, dealing with their own agendas, there’s no one to help them.
I also have a feeling that the GOP is troubled by the independent voters showing at these functions. These were more of an anti-government rally in the first place, so what would that make the politicians that went to support the rallies on the Fourth of July?
The tea-party movement has returned to its grass-roots movement, as it should have been in the first place. In all likelihood, it will remain this way for a while, unless big conservative media jumps on the wagon again.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:25 amfreeman Says:
Look at me! Pay attention to me! If you idiots keep ignoring me I swear I’ll start saying more and more outrageous things and I’ll say ‘em over and over and over and over!!!!!
July 6th, 2009 at 11:27 amPreventative detention from greenwald and maddow .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:28 amYeah freeman, give us links to President Obama lying us into a war, giving no-bid contracts to a company Joe Biden used to be the CEO of, setting up a private milta with tax payer dollars, opening the door to his fat cat friends to empty the coffers of everyday americans through wall street, allow the relatives of the people who attacked us on 9-11 to leave the country without even talking to the FBI. And after you’ve finished that task, I’m sure we can find other examples of your boy bush’s fascism… or, you can continue to be a troll…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:29 amSorry Ralph, I lost my discipline and responded to the troll, I’ll try to control myself…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:30 amSigning statements .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:30 amMike Hunt Says:
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Help. I need some help with recent American political history.
If I am not mistaken just after Bush illegally invaded and occupied Iraqnam, wasn’t it the Repignofascist Party that claimed anyone disagreeing with the President was unpatriotic?
Do I remember that correctly? If so, then why isn’t the Duval County Repignofascist Party and the Repignofascist National Committee coming out and strongly denouncing this sort of unpatriotic horse hockey?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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Dubya made it clear that if we were against what he was doing, we were un-American, un-Patriotic.
Has anyone seen any protest on the two wars on T.V.? Remember how many big name people were stifled, Linda Ronstat, Bill Maher, Montel Williams. There is many more people who was fired and could not perform in Alantic City. There is your Freedom, we lost everything, well does anyone know exactly when the Patriot Act is up for renewal? I believe it is 2010, of it is write your Congressperson to rewrite or get rid of. It is one of the most dangerous piece of legistation that went into law… Our Bill of Rights were no more.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:31 amObama is so much like Hitler its scary.
Hitler spoke in front of a large crowd in Germany.
So did Obama.
Hitler wrote a book.
Obama wrote books too.
Hitler was a fascist.
Obama is a fascist.
Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin.
Obama is a Stalinist and is signing a non-aggression pact with Russia as we speak.
Hitler wanted to rule the world.
Obama likes the UN.
Hitlers ally bombed Pearl Harbour.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Hitler wasnt born in the country he ruled.
Obama was born in Africa.
Hitler killed 6 million Jews.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:35 amObama is callling on Israel to stop expanding settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Obama compared to Hitler!?! These teabaggers are high!
The Bush administration have used fear and intimidation on members of the press and media and any other voice of opposition.
The Bush administration use Fox entertainment channel as their own propaganda network.
The Bush administration had their own Reichstag fire.
The Bush administration shredded our constitution and gave us The Patriot Acts 1&II, The Military Commissions Act, The John Warner Defense Act Of 2007 and other draconian laws passed in the guise of security.
The Bush administration have used genocide to wipe out a certain group of people in the Middle East.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:35 amcontradicted yourself within 3 lines. pretty sad trolling there, wingnut
July 6th, 2009 at 11:35 amJacksonville Tea Party Protest Features Signs Comparing President Obama To Hitler
– - Nah, Hitler never did perfect the crossover dribble or consistently hit from behind the arc like Obama has.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:36 amYeah, you stay classy, wingnuts!
July 6th, 2009 at 11:36 amThe way the south is run, these folks would know more about Hitler tactics then anywhere else.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:37 amYou’re playing pretty fast and loose with the facts aren’t you? Just like a troll.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:37 amAMY GOODMAN: On the issue of state secrets, you have written and spoken about this. President Obama has invoked them several times, continuing the tradition of the Bush administration. Where has he invoked them, and what do you think about this?
SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD: Well, I’m disappointed in this part.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:38 amthis is an area of great disappointment, surprising, that the President is using the state secrets privilege in a way that reminds us exactly of the Bush administration. Now, his excuse the other night was that, well, these cases were pending, and they hadn’t had time to review it. So I’m expecting good things from the President in changing this policy.
It’s not a north/south thing
It’s an urban/rural thing
Atlanta is nothing like “the south”. Once you get outside the city, it gets pretty backwards and VERY right wing.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:39 amRantingTommy Says:
galmud says:
Hitlers ally bombed Pearl Harbour.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Hitler wasnt born in the country he ruled.
Obama was born in Africa.
contradicted yourself within 3 lines. pretty sad trolling there, wingnut
Hard to say if he was being serious or sarcastic there, RT.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:39 amNo shane actually I’m just quoting russ feingold , rachel maddow and the Wapo . You can dispute these facts with them .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:39 amShorter freeman: IOKIYAR.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:40 amCould be right, PS
Right wing positions are so silly these days that it is hard to tell them from parody.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:40 amHitler was a socialist??? Gee, I wonder if anyone told Stalin about that — it might have changed his view on that whole Russian Front thing during WWII…
Dumb$hit wingnuts don’t even know thing one about world history or the sociopolitical labels they consistently (mis)use…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 amHow long until we get the “I guess we all agree 911 was an inside job” schtick….
July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 amI believe this captures the gist of the argument to come .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 amI love the picture at the link that reads: “ACORN=SS! Same thang [sic]!” Thank you, teabaggers, for explaining the befuddling, complicated symbol that is “=”.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 amRantingTommy Says:
galmud says:
Hitlers ally bombed Pearl Harbour.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Hitler wasnt born in the country he ruled.
Obama was born in Africa.
contradicted yourself within 3 lines. pretty sad trolling there, wingnut
Yeah that was the point. Sorry didnt think /snark was needed
July 6th, 2009 at 11:42 amHere’s a link for freeman:http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2633
July 6th, 2009 at 11:42 amI see a rift developing in the Tea Party movement. Half of them seem to hate Obama and Democrats and compare him to Hitler and Democrats to Nazis’. The other half believes that is defamation of their hero and disrespectful of their political beliefs.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:42 amPretty sure Galmud was a parody.
The real troll on this thread is another story! A super-left progressive upset with Obama? Or just another pathetic attention-seeking fool with too much time on their hands?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:43 amgalmud Says:
“Hitler killed 6 million Jews.
Obama is callling on Israel to stop expanding settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.”
hey stupid,
July 6th, 2009 at 11:43 amexplain to the nice people how these two things are comparable.
Obama wasn’t President in December 2008 FYI.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:43 amI support protesters 100%, I even supported the original teabaggers, for it is their right to protest. Sadly what may have been a good idea was quickly swept up by corporate interests and infiltrated with racist scum and ultra right wing wackos.
The message should be, no matter which party is in charge of our government, we still pay to much in taxes while the wealthy have many tax loopholes and offshore tax havens to use to save their millions.
We should all be out in the streets protesting the tight grip the banks, Wall Street, corporations and the defense industry have on our government.
We should all be out in the streets protesting the lack of representation we get from our politicians.
We should be all out protesting the FACT that most of our politicians are in office to protect the interests of the wealthy and the corporations.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:43 amWe get that there are people out there who really, really hate it that Barack Obama was elected President, and will stop at nothing to bash him and trash him no matter what he does.
But when they’re reduced to comparing him to Hitler, that’s just pathetic. Is this really all they have?
I recommend these protesters find something specific President Obama has actually done (or proposed) and address that. But instead, they use vague comparisons to Hitler and other historical bad guys without basis, just to inflame (or try to). Or they protest things they THINK he might do (such as raise everybody’s taxes into the stratosphere). Or they try to attach labels to him that appeal to their base (”most liberal president ever”, etc.). Perhaps if they got a clue and make a compelling argument with their protests, they might actually sway some people not already in their choir.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:43 amHitler was a socialist???
July 6th, 2009 at 11:44 amWell, since he called his party National Socialists, that makes it so. Much like China and Iran are actual republics.
sorry about that, galmud
July 6th, 2009 at 11:44 amMore littler feller getting all cyberbullied and all…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
galmud Says:
“Hitler killed 6 million Jews.
Obama is callling on Israel to stop expanding settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.”
hey stupid,
explain to the nice people how these two things are comparable.
They are not. Thats the point. Thought the sarcasm was obvious. My bad
July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 amMore? What I definately keyboarded “poor” and what’s up with that random r
July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 amAs much as these people are ridiculous, just a bit of defense of Duval County. Obama lost the county by one percentage point so these people are more fringe than they look. That being said we have our share of wing-nut jobs here.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 amgalmud, you are an idiot! I thought it was the rightwingers who said we should support our president during a time of war?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:47 amFunny I have seen that clip already this morn. Is it intended to provide cover for the obvious bs approach that is being taken?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:47 amDon’t like Noam chomsky ? he has cast some serious doubts on Obama’s economic ” to big to fail ” policies in this from democracy now ….. it’s somewhere in the middle but the lecture is worth listening to all the way through , if U have the time ..
July 6th, 2009 at 11:48 amgalmud,
July 6th, 2009 at 11:48 amsorry about that but that smacks of something these teabaggers would say in earnest.
Actually DB I thought I had largely escaped the bullying on Saturday , but the food firght between the “IN” clique and the more progressive bloggers was another story .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:51 amCan’t we just ignore these teabagging freaks?
July 6th, 2009 at 11:51 amOr they could just do what freeman does, put Obama’s name on Bush’s actions.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:53 amMolly,
July 6th, 2009 at 11:53 amI voted for obama with reservations and his sign sat on my lawn and as far as specifics , why not dispute the links from greenwald , maddow and the wa post if you can ?
So you are still trying to out Dead the Deadheads?Is that it? It seems it isn’t working out so well. Either way have at it…
July 6th, 2009 at 11:53 amJust what I was thinking but you said it much better than I could. It must really piss off the Neo Nazis though.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:56 amOoooh, freeman’s a Dick Morris Democrat. Good to know.
July 6th, 2009 at 11:57 amgalmud Says:
Obama is a fascist.
Obama is a Stalinist
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Obama was born in Africa.
Hopefully you are not serious, because you contradicted yourself several times. If you are serious, you are a freekin nutcase.
lmao
July 6th, 2009 at 11:57 amYeah it’s a beotch DB .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:59 amI own 2 homes outright, one in the country off the grid on 50 acreas wajoined by a wild life refuge with several story tall waterfalls within a 5 minute walk , spend my winters overseas , with my wife of 23 years and our 3 children and work less than 6 mnths a year .
Pretty awful .
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
galmud,
sorry about that but that smacks of something these teabaggers would say in earnest.
No worries and yeah sadly you’re absolutely right
July 6th, 2009 at 11:59 amThe “more progressive bloggers” is like Sarah Palin’s “real Americans”. I believe you “more progressive bloggers” work for the RNC and come here to sow discontent among real progressives. But you can take your “more progressives” self-righteous BS and shove it.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:00 pmOh and freeman there is no “IN” clique. If you’re not an RNC troll there’s just you and your paranoia.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pmwhat was that suppose to have anything to do with?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pmI make my living doing art and music ,Am working on my 3rd language ( i have a lot of free time ) and just what does any of that have to do with signing statements , habeas corpus , extraordinary rendition , government secrecy ,or posse comitatus ?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pmJust a question though, would a real progressive come to a thread that compares Obama to Hitler to bash him. Couldn’t they find a topic that is less volatile for the critique?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pmFunny but several posters feel otherwise Shane , myself included and judging from the ugly comments made toward other progressives on this site , I suggest your wrong in this regard .
July 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pmsoze16 Says:
Hitler was a socialist???
Well, since he called his party National Socialists, that makes it so. Much like China and Iran are actual republics.
Nice try. You can call yourself whatever you want; it don’t make it so. Hitler was no more a socialist than Mussollini was — they were both fascists, favoring total governmental control of the people rather than control of the government by the people as in a democracy (or as in true Marxist/Leninist socialism, for that matter).
But I’ll play along with your logic — if Iran and China are “true republics”, then I guess that means that the US “Republican” party favors the theocratic system of Iran or the politburo/military-controlled system of China over the democratic system of the U.S., right?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pmIdon’t know you mentioned it. So about these waterfalls? Just how many can you get too in 15 minutes and are they all over several stories tall?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pmYou may disagree with freeman but he is right about the way the media covers Obama. The media needs to step back from Obama and take a more critical look. That does not mean their coverage should be like Fox which is nonstop attacks. If we want to stop another Bush from happening, then the media needs to do its job by objectively looking at Obama’s actions.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pmTo sunshineempire @ 62 – I couldn’t agree with you more. Jacksonville has one of the worst school systems in the the world, this has gone on forever. The result is narrow-minded, uneducated rednecks who are incapable of reason or civil discourse.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pmNo only 1 is within 5 miutes and is several stories tall , several others smaller can be reached in 10m minutes or so from my front door , a second several story tall fall is probably 20 minutews walk . The nearest neaighbors … and there aen’t very many of them are 2 miles away .
July 6th, 2009 at 12:12 pmWe moved into town because it had become too remote fro my children as they grew older . Forest , sierra and maya all of whom have shaken the hands of tp’s staff minus faiz and amanda , when I was doing business on the east coast last year .
I still want that sandwich .
Ugly racists are hiding behind these so-called tea parties to spread their hate and fear. I feel sorry for all of them. I cannot believe I once considered moving to Jacksonville. I know all people are not like this but it truly gives Jacksonville a bad name. These groups will continue to shrink because they are racist and have nothing to do with taxes. They should have had protests under Reagan.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pmTeabaggers are apparently just a creepy group of racist, violence-inciting President-haters. Hopefully they are now being very closely watched by DHS.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pmI assume maya and sierra usually capitalize their names. No problem on the sammy just be sure to say wit and not with when you order… Seems like a heck of a lot of waterfalls in a really small area. Same river system or are they all converging…
July 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pmActually a large year round creek which runs in to a seasonal creek which runs into a tributary which run to a river which ends up in the Columbia .
July 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pmShane I stand corrected on the date but as far as I know there is no change to this and Gates remains in charge as a holdover . But thanks for pointing this out .
Mt hood and Mt Adams are both visible from the house , which sits at the top of a finger of land surrounded on 3 sides by canyons .
July 6th, 2009 at 12:20 pmSo what sort of art?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pmBut, isn’t Hitler a hero to these teabaggers?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:23 pmANd as far as out deading the dead heads …. ever been to san fran , it looks like to country faire year round. Amy goodman was there last year , and the vaudville style entertainment is killer ! \
July 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pmShow up and we can have Chez Ray cook us a meal . The deads personal chef .
ANd NO I have never been a dead head .I am however a prankster .
freeman Says:
Actually DB I thought I had largely escaped the bullying on Saturday , but the food firght between the “IN” clique and the more progressive bloggers was another story .
Ah, yes, the self-appointed “more progressive” commenters. Just the attitude to get people to listen.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pmThe main stream media did not extensively cover the tea bag parties. What the media should have done was an expose on the people behind these protests, including the Republicans and Fox News. I think the mainstream media is afraid to take on Fox.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pmyes. yes I have. I am aware. The whole deal has screamed prank from the get go….
July 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pmcheers-
Eco Jewelery and sculpture for money ! Larger sculpture , jazz/classical/acouctic music , pays less , is where my heart is at .
July 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pmFYI, freeman’s WaPo article about posse comitatus was written on December 1, 2008.
Who was president then…?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pmI’ve noticed a behavior in freeman, hanshiro, AJ and the other “more progressive than thou” folks that resembles troll behavior: when someone, anyone criticizes their technique of endlessly harping on a single theme, they ignore the substance of the critique and generalize it as an attack on “any criticism of Obama”, just like trolls generalize criticisms as “an attack on free speech” or any number of other amorphous values they claim to hold.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pmWhy is this moron named “Freeman” spinning yarns about his personal life? Who cares? He’s a moronic troll. He has no idea what he’s talking about.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pmThe mainstream media did not cover the tea parties? On what planet? They covered the tea parties a lot more than they did the anti-war rallies during the Bush administration. Remember? One million people hit the streets and they hardly mentioned it.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:33 pmAnd to you this is the same as President Obama taking action. See why I think you “super progressives” are trolls?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pmNow how about preemptive detention?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pmoops my mother in law is calling form germany got to go …
July 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAnyone who feels the need to “prove” their lifestyle on a blog is probably lying.
BTW, I live in a penthouse in NYC. It’s true!
July 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pmIt is clear that a substantial number of today’s conservatives do not believe in democracy, cannot accept it’s results and are two stupid to realize this.
Look at the moron in the picture with his sign. He doesn’t think we voted for Obama. But, of course, I’m guessing the last two close ones were just fine with him.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pmseems the eco jewelery bus has been good or is it the music. Either way could you point me to a website or a catalog or something. I’d really like to check out the jewelery
July 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pmthanks-
freeman Says:
Now how about preemptive detention?
July 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Prove that Obama has ever had anyone preemptively detained, and then we’ll talk.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pmZooey: “Anyone who feels the need to “prove” their lifestyle on a blog is probably lying.
BTW, I live in a penthouse in NYC. It’s true!”
Yes! And, I’ll have you know that my real name is John Bearsford Tipton, “The Millionaire!”
July 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pmi have the misfortune of living in jax. although we have over a million inhabitants, we’re still pretty much a big city with a very small, conservative mentality. we’re a big military town too but take heart, mccain won duval county (jax) by ONE percentage point. both parties have freaks.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pmNinerFan Says:
Yes! And, I’ll have you know that my real name is John Bearsford Tipton, “The Millionaire!”
July 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I’m Angelina Jolie!
July 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pmI had a hunch you were a penthouse pet Zooey…
July 6th, 2009 at 12:43 pmdb, erm…right. :D
July 6th, 2009 at 12:44 pmYou know I find this highly ironic that the far right are still calling Obama’s agenda socialism.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pmExpecially at this time with the healthcare reform seemingly going down hill because the administration and dems in the house and senate are dragging there feet trying to get the republicans approval! I can’t believe I am going to say this…but, shut the heck up your are winning. It makes me sick. Because they are calling him a socialist we back off and let 45 million americans down?!?
Geez, we can win for losing. As I recall, WE WON!!!!
No more pussy-footing push that shite through!!
A lot of Americans that voted for Obama (including me and I worked as a volunteer for his campaign) did so because he was the one strongest on healthcare reform! Now, we are being thrown under the bus because it is pizzing off the republicans who have NO power so to speak on Capital HIll right now. I know I am rambling a bit. But this really honks me off.
Read the 14 points of Fascism and see how closely they parallel the Shrub and his crime family and see how Obama pales in comparison to the same 14 points.The problem with the Reich is
July 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pmthat they are “SHEEPLE” and we are progressives that actually know and understand the facts.Obama has done more in six months for the American people than the Shrub did in 8 years of his crime spree.
I am not at all suprised these folks are using this kind of rhetoric. They are sore losers, and all-around sorry m.f’ers. And to think, some of these people have reproduced!
July 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pmfreeman Says:
Posse comitatus .
Date: Dec 1, 2008. Bush was in office. I think this plan is bad, and I hope Obama reverses it. But it wasn’t his plan.
So you are wrong.
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freeman Says:
Preventative detention from greenwald and maddow .
Neither Greenwald nor Maddow have the power to detain anybody. Similar to the posse comitatus problem, I would like Obama to completely reverse Bush-era abuses, but I can see why it may be difficult to do so immediately
Again, you are wrong.
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freeman Says:
Signing statements.
Signing statements have been part of passing a bill for a long time, way before Bush. When Bush did it though, instead of clarifying how he intended to uphold the law, he would insert language saying that he would only uphold the law if it didn’t conflict with other priorities. That’s what the problem is, not the existence of signing statements at all.
You are wrong.
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freeman Says:
Now how about preemptive detention?
Obama has detained zero new people since taking office. He’s just got to deal with the ones left over from Bush’s folly.
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freeman Says:
I’m just quoting russ feingold , rachel maddow and the Wapo . You can dispute these facts with them .
I can dispute them with you. You brought it up, you back it up or concede.
Basically all your examples boil down to is “Obama is doing maybe a tenth of what Bush did, so he’s Hitler.” If that’s so, then what is Bush, the Devil?
All of the critics you’re quoting are further to the left than Obama. So the solution to your criticism would be for Obama to become more liberal. Now maybe you’re a far-left liberal already and we’re just misreading the intent of your posts, but it seems to me that you’re more likely one of the wingnuts who will grab any criticism they can without actually thinking about where that goes. Because all wingnuts are congenitally, profoundly stupid.
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freeman Says:
I own 2 homes outright,
I don’t care about you. STFU about your personal life. Save it for your facespace page or something.
July 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pmTeabags from d-bags
July 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm@84: I know. That was the point I was making.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pmMaybe he wants to be part of the “clique” he believes we have here.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:10 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
FEAR the Commie/Fascist/Marxist/Pinko/Black man…
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July 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pmWhat is very disturbing about the tea baggers is the siege mentality that is being expressed. Their rhetoric is loaded with language that implies that Obama is a usurper to the presidency. This sort of irrational hate speech is like the talk that contributed to Dr. Tiller’s murder. Some of the protesters have crossed the bounds of legitimate dissent with their irrational behavior. I would hope the fact that they can express their opinions is enough to quench their desire to be heard.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pmAllow me say in my defense that I do not believe Obama is Bush , but I do find domestic spying , pre emptive detainment ,his broken promises on FISA and signing statements , the loss of posse comitatus , the use of bushes leagal rationale for stopping oversight and extraordinary redition .
July 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pmThe Too big to fail policies overseen by the very people who had such a large hand in creating the economic crisis disturbing as well.
No my bio was an answer to DB’s
July 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm“So you are still trying to out Dead the Deadheads?Is that it? It seems it isn’t working out so well. ”
The best thing I ever did spiritually or economically was to be a drop out .
I appreciate your responce to the issues el bruce , so Obama didn’t promise to renounce signing statements in that clip from U tube I posted ?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pmfreeman: I make my living doing art and music ,Am working on my 3rd language ( i have a lot of free time )
I’ve been reading your posts. When do you think you’ll get around to ‘working on’ your English? Just curious.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pmSo about that catalog or website….
July 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pmfreeman if that was an answer to the dead thing you missed the point of the question. Sorry, I was wondering what you were going on about. So how’s everything in Germany?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pmfrom greenwalds article
July 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pmAnonymous trial balloon articles like this one are difficult to comment on because it’s obviously designed to announce that a certain policy is being considered before it’s actually written, and so none of the key details is known. Would Obama’s new detention powers apply only to current “War on Terror” prisoners at places like Guantanamo and Bagram, or would they also apply to future, not-yet-abducted detainees as well? Would these powers apply to detainees picked up anywhere in the world, far away from “war zones”? Would there be any judicial review or other meaningful oversight provisions so that — even in theory — this was something other than the unilateral, unchecked presidential power to detain indefinitely without charges? None of these important details is known (though the article notes that, under one White House proposal, “ongoing detention would be subject to annual presidential review”; the Emperor, sitting alone, will decree once a year whether they must remain in a cage).
But you say don’t worry , he’s a democrat ?
Our main business Moonrise jewelry has never used a web site .We are in about 50 galleriea , mainly in the Northwest including Idaho and montana but also do business in other western states and as of last fall some on the east coast.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pmIn san Fran last week we did put together a domain name through go daddy but have only put the first of 2 products up … and are putting the finishing touches on garden art , plant stakes ect . The hand mirrors are made of renewable bamboo . All products are DESIGNED by us and are produced in the US .
Keep in mind the this website was only put on the web as of last week and because my partners and I will be at the Oregon country faire won’t be improved till we get home .
http://www.solsticetrading.com/
are known.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pmSo did the jewelery buy the two houses or the music. I have a lot of artist friends as well but they like to create more than just 6 months per year. So do I just search freeman eco-jewelery or what?
Thanks but where’s the jewelery?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pmDB
July 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pmyou can see ( if they still have any ) our jewelry in West Chester at Grandiflora .
The web site is new and is a new business venture between friends that has yet to fly . Moonrise hasn’t had one .But we do have small amounts as of last year in several stores in Penn and NJ .I think you are close to west chester ?
July 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pmI know West Chester if that is what youmean. Really no disrespect intended but the things that are up are identical to stuff I see at every craftsfair and quaint shop district I have ever been to. I’ll look into the Grandiflora place
July 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pmMusic makes me about 500 bucks a year . LOL .
July 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pmToo many flatted fifths 9’s 11ths and 13ths .
I do art 12 months a year but business I use to make money , which I haven’t much use for .Besides we are at the place we want to be on the proverbial bell curve . If we make more money it ends up with the government and we lose our health insurance with washington state , which with 3 kids is very expensive .
If we make more money I think we need to make an extra 30 grand to see any profit , which is the concept behind the new business.It will only be designed by us but produced ” out of house ” in toto.
Hey it pays the rent bro . I’m not paul Gauguin .
July 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pmThose boobs wouldn’t know NAtional soZIalismus (that is where the word NAZI comes from) if it bit them on the ass. They are the ones closest to being that if anyone is. Nationalism and not socialism was the strongest part of the Fascist movement. Socialism amounts to the state taking a lot of the money earned by the population and redistributing it back in a “fair” way in order to offer social services to the population such as health care, funding the military, financial help for young families and so on. Fascist Germany did in fact deliver on these thing early on..but as Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler got more ambitious they let the social services for the people fall to the side and used all resources to fund the improvement of the military. Similarly, the US has a history of a strong military, and spending much of the money collected from taxes on it. I don’t deny that this is an important thing, but go to Military Budget Wiki to see the budget. Amazing! 1 Trillion per year roughly. Go without any new toys for three years and man we would be looking great, wouldn’t we? The military claims over half of the entire budget. Now as a comparison, go to your local schools. Do they have what they need? Does your local, county and state police force have what they need to do their job efficiently? Are teachers, cops and firemen making enough money? Probably not. Where is that money? In defense spending…lots of it on shite that will never see the light of day and is superfluous anyway. Why? Because those guys way up at the top…like Bush and Cheney give governmental contracts to companies that they own an interest in. This is something that Bush learned from Grandpa Walker…he and Hitler were doing that way before anyone knew that it was possible. That is nationalism at work…..the big message “The people are there to serve the government” and not the other way around. These boobs in Jacksonville and the other podunk towns where the tea parties were held are obviously home to some undereducated redneck racist white-supremists who don’t like the idea of having a president who has an ethnicity other than Redneck. But don’t worry much folks. Between this handful of unemployed backwoods “Deliverance” extras and the “inner circle” of Republicans who all “secretly” agreed to try and refuse the stimulus money (Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin come to mind) for their states, you got the recipe for a failure of a mutiny. Let them keep taking orders from Napoleon Limbaugh (do you think he has other similarities with Napoleon?) Just ignore these idiots and eventually there will be so few of them that they might be ashamed to show themselves in public. Of course these same people will go get their “social” security checks or their unemployment benefits before they murder the next free clinic doctor for donating his time to a good cause, but that is an unfortunate statistic we will have to live with because this IS America after all and we take everyone in and give them a chance even those who don’t bother to read the Constitution or a history book before they make stupid accusations about their elected leader. And if you are asking yourself why they decided to liken Obama to Hitler…well, they were just waiting for any old chance to march around with Nazi symbols. I guess this just gave them the chance to dust that stuff off and march around with it again until the next Confederate Flag rally.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pmDO your prolific friends in the arts make a good living ?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pmMoonrise eco-jewelery has a significant web presence but they appear to be in Virginia which sort of screws things up a bit for you I suppose. How did you find Grandiflora?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm145:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pmSome but most don’t sell so much as to have bought two homes with their proceeds and only work 6 months a year. Some suppliment with art ed…
I might be more familiar with the stors in NJ. Any chance you could shoot me those names as I will be passing through there in the next couple of weeks. Maybe I could check out some of your stuff.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pmfreeman Says:
Music makes me about 500 bucks a year . LOL .
Too many flatted fifths 9’s 11ths and 13ths .
I do art 12 months a year but business I use to make money , which I haven’t much use for .Besides we are at the place we want to be on the proverbial bell curve . If we make more money it ends up with the government and we lose our health insurance with washington state , which with 3 kids is very expensive .
State health insurance? You mean welfare?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pmBTW, Obama is not going through the America’s to take them over nor is he arresting people like Limbaugh, Cutler or the whole damn Fox Noise network and placing them in concentration Camps and putting them to death!
What those idiotic teabaggers really need to know is that we were very close to a Police State. Everything was monitored, from our phone calls to the books we read to the internet. They are just p*ssed off that McCain did not win the election, hell, we could be in two more wars, with no outside help,plus he would be seeking another VP. LMAO
July 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pmNo socialized health care .The best in the US .
July 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pmhttp://healthinsuranceinfo.net/getinsured/washington/financial-assistance/washington-basic-health-plan/
July 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThese nutty teabaggers only parrot what the GOP whispers outside of earshot.
The repiggies are whites-only bigots, no matter what they protest to the contrary.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pmJewish repiggies would also be shocked to hear what holy roller repiggies really say about Jews when they are not around.
A plan Obama should hope to offer the rest of America.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pmOne of the greatest aspects of self employment is the many legitimate write offs that are available .Shouldn’t you be at work ?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pmfreeman:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pmHow does that Virginia deal work out? Is it an absurd coincidence and if so won’t you have a whole lot of copyright stuff you will have to deal with?
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It’s amazing how these people continue to use the “Obama=Socialist” meme, even though the administration’s poliies are moving farther and farther away from any semblance of socialism. But why let facts get in the way of a good hate slogan, right?
July 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
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These partisan folks definitely need to stop the name calling. It’s easy enough to express your opposition to a position without name calling. Like Howard Dean said, “Even in the darkest days of the Bush/Cheney administration, I don’t think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist.”
July 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pmDB
July 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm…you noticed that . We have been using the name for the last 20 years but were asleep at the web level . Part of our approach to finances has been that we live in a poor area , where we were able to buy for instance a 2500 square foot house , in good condition for $ 114 000 .
This allows us to travel extensively with in the US on business /pleasure while also writing off many of the expenses . Which is how we drove past west chester last fall .
As for the virginia deal , we may end up changing the name on our stationary .
July 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pmFM says:
No socialized health care. The best in the US.
Tell that to the nearly 50 million Americans who have NO health care insurance, dipshit.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThese partisan folks definitely need to stop the name calling. It’s easy enough to express your opposition to a position without name calling. Like Howard Dean said, “Even in the darkest days of the Bush/Cheney administration, I don’t think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist.”
Yet in those same dark days, the republicans framed every debate as “democrats hate our troops.” I don’t remember you crying about that, though. Hypocrisy is a standard of the Right.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pmSo what will you do since this odd coincidence leaves you in conflict with a much larger recognized eco-jewlery business? Do you happen to know Debrorah Piattelli by any chance?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pmUncle Ho … you are against socialized medicine ?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pmDB no who is she ?
Are you sure you do not know her?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pmOh hold the presses ..she owns the store in west chester … my bad …
July 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pmNever met her .. my wife dealt with the store .
July 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pmYeah but the funny thing is that she doesn’t know you…
July 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pmWhile you sat in the car? So can a get the names of those Jersey stores now or not?
July 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pmOh yes I forgot , anyone who disagrees here is seen as lying and disingenuos aye ? Why doubt my integrity bro .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pmWith my children , and I was alone on the night of the 14th .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:03 pmI don’t doubt your integrity but come now we have a 20 year eco-jewelry comapny that just happens to sharethe name with a well known eco-jewelry company. The same company hasn’t had time to generate much of a web presence despite the fact that the main guyis online all day. The proprietor of a tiny store’s name means nothing to the main guy. Would you agree that it seems weird. Just shut me those Jersey store names and I’ll call them too. Grandiflora is really small what with only two employees. It is really easy to get the owner on the line at businesses like that…
July 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pmLighten up there bro. No one said anything about lying. Just give me the store names as I will be passing through a lot of jersey in the upcomiing weeks and wanna check this stuff out for real. I am not kidding…
July 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pmfreeman Says:
Yeah it’s a beotch DB .
I own 2 homes outright, one in the country off the grid on 50 acreas wajoined by a wild life refuge with several story tall waterfalls within a 5 minute walk , spend my winters overseas , with my wife of 23 years and our 3 children and work less than 6 mnths a year .
Pretty awful .
July 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Why are your children on the state health program?
July 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pmthe cottage
July 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pmEmmaus pa
Equinox
kennettsquare
pa
This is a wesite for our local gallery in Washigton . I’m the guitar player for the sue Kreigsberg event and among the pictures are also photos of my daughters Maya and sierra .
Interview over .
http://thegoldenartgallery.wordpress.com/
In case they get sick Zooey ? Any idea how much health insurance costs for a family of 5 ?
July 6th, 2009 at 3:16 pmThey are the children in one of the pics under the home and gardenshow header .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:17 pmI’m not the older guitarist , further up the page , he is the local music teacher .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pmfm says:
I get my healthcare through the VA. Is that not “socialized medicine”?
July 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pmIf so, why would I be against it?
Excellent I know Emmaus well. Still it isn’t New Jersey now is it. What new info do you think these calls will yield…
July 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pmfreeman Says:
Allow me say in my defense that I do not believe Obama is Bush , but I do find domestic spying , pre emptive detainment ,his broken promises on FISA and signing statements , the loss of posse comitatus , the use of bushes leagal rationale for stopping oversight and extraordinary redition .
I wish Obama had made it a priority to completely reverse all of those Bush-era abuses. I’m dissapointed that he hasn’t. But for that matter, he isn’t moving fast enough for my tastes on a lot of issues. Then again, if you look at the shortened time span we’re dealing with here, he’s accomplished a hell of a lot; just not as much as we’re demanding.
Dismantling the naked power grab of the Bush era is going to take some time and some will. Both seem to be lacking at present.
However: relevant to the article at top, Obama is no fascist. Bush was one (fascism = unitary executive theory). Obama did not seize any of these powers, nor has he seized any more since assuming office. All that Obama has done is fail to relinquish Bush’s claimed powers as fast as the rest of us might like (and where were these wingnuts when Bush had them?) So he’s basically being blamed by the right wing just for inheriting powers that Bush claimed. Of course, if he did relinquish them all immediately, the “making us less safe” crowd would just rear their ugly head again.
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freeman Says:
I appreciate your responce to the issues el bruce , so Obama didn’t promise to renounce signing statements in that clip from U tube I posted ?
I didn’t even look, because that would be like renouncing vetoes – it’s an inherent function of the Presidency. However, he hasn’t abused signing statements like Bush did in terms of attempting to write law from the Oval Office, and that’s all that I expect.
I’ll quit complaining about personal details since it seems to be a multiple-person side conversation at this point. I’ll just grumble a bit that maybe the daily ThinkFast thread would be more appropriate to use as a chatroom.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pmfreeman Says:
In case they get sick Zooey ? Any idea how much health insurance costs for a family of 5 ?
July 6th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
You seem to be doing awfully well to qualify for such a program.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pmMwife is the member here to avoid paying dues twice for the same product .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pmEl bruce I’ll defer after I hear how pretty and cute my daughters are .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pmThey are cute kids indeed and you seem like a handsome fella. Can I have your permission to use your real name when I call Emma in Emmaus?
Thanks
Oh and is Forrest older or younger than the girls?
July 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pmPresident Obama must be doing an excellent job,judging by the vicious attacks against him. The taliban(american chapter) is alive and well.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pmfreeman,
Your urge to brag about yourself has led you to expose yourself and your family in a highly ill-considered manner.
I urge you to write TP and ask them to delete the link to the blog with photos of your children.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pmSorry ElBruce
July 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pmI understand your point but there is a point to all of this.
Well, there may be some real crazies in Duval County, Fl, but I did an intensive county-by-county statistical analysis of the results of the GE in FL and came up with some fascinating results.
You can read the analysis starting here.
Here the facts on Duval county:
July 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
My net income after write offs is split beween my wife and I and puts us where we need to be . As an employed woker who recieves a pay check you have no opportunity to use write offs which is why their is no wiggle room for them at tax time .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pmThe tax codes were written for businesses not for workers .
freeman:
July 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pmAll funning aside. Zooey makes a very realand valid point. Your a good sport and I enjoy pranksters but still I have kids too and their safety is most important
Thats right bruce DB is going to cook philly cheese steak sandwiches for my family and I this fall . But I am not used to working so hard for my supper.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWho said anything about cooking them. I am just gonna take you to the best place and helpyou order…
July 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pmPlease do that for me if you believe it is ill considered .
July 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pmDo it yourself, freeman. It’s your job to protect your children.
You do realize there are probably more people who lurk on TP than comment, don’t you? A certain percentage of them are freaks, and they’re looking at your kids right now.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThey don’t live at the gallery zooey , but I will write tp anyway. Tscheuss.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pmI was just picking up on Freemans ramblings about east coast locations and he’s spelling Westchester as “west chester.” He’s obviously full of shi*
July 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm@freeman: Just so you know…it is Tschuess ;n)
July 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pmActually, Freeman doesn’t seem to spell well at all. Why are any of you giving this daydreaming freak the time of day?
July 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pmGood god, freeman. Please don’t go into public spaces unassisted. Freaks are smarter than you!
Bye.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pmBush’s claims of powers as commander in chief included:
1. He is not bound by the Constitution and can suspend a citizen’s rights.
2. He has the right to classify a citizen an enemy combatant and imprison them indefinitely.
3. He has the power to use surveillance, search and seizure without the necessity of a warrant.
4. All of the presidential powers are plenary and not subject to review by the US courts and Congress.
These were the positions of Bush via John Woo. These opinions were ultimately withdrawn shortly before the transfer of power to Obama. These ridiculous legal arguments were the basis of the lawlessness of the Bush administration. Many of these so called powers have been challenged in the Patriot Act and the president has lost.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:05 pmDamn, I haven’t seen this bs from the parts I’m from, thank God.
how can teabaggers be “pro-life” when they’re pro-do-as-I-say-not-how-I-do retro/preemptive club…hypocrite + stupid= teabaggers. I’m pro-choice because I don’t want to be anything like the repug club. Get with it repugs or get the f out of the way, or else.
If teabaggers want to put on a show, I’ll watch from the sidelines and play rate the stupid. They know they aren’t going to see the Oval office for centuries, really it’s never HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Don’t racist idiots love hitler? Are they saying they don’t an African-American hitler because he’s Black? Could it be possible teabaggers are crying because President Obama took their hitler away? Are they saying hitler was about socialism, free love, jazz shows, and peace?
HAHAHAHAHA
July 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pmfreeman, you’re fun-nee.
You told us your profession is a limpydic-sweat-patter.
From now on I’m not believing one single word from you.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pmOh wow. President Obama is the head of the right wing National Socialist Party. Who knew! So why do the right wingers hate him so much then? Huh.
July 6th, 2009 at 6:27 pmZooey Says:
NinerFan Says:
Yes! And, I’ll have you know that my real name is John Bearsford Tipton, “The Millionaire!”
July 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I’m Angelina Jolie!
July 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Slap your father in my name, Angie ;)
July 6th, 2009 at 6:38 pmsesli sohbet, sesli chat, seslisohbet, seslichat, kameral? sohbet, görüntülü chat, kameral? chat, görüntülü sohbet, sesli, seviyeli sohbetsesli sohbet sesli chat seslichat seslisohbet
July 6th, 2009 at 7:09 pmI am good to people who are good
July 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pmI am good to people who are not good
because virtue is goodness.
I have faith in people who have faith
I have faith in people who do not have faith
because virtue is faithfullness .
The sage is shy and humble
to the world he seems confusing ,
men look to him and listen
he behaves like a little child.
Tao te ching
Sincerity is under rated.
July 6th, 2009 at 7:28 pmNo it isn’t…
July 6th, 2009 at 7:47 pmIt looks like Freeman copied and pasted because there’s no typos.
Get a life pal.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pmBack at ya, freeman:
Yield and overcome;
Bend and be straight;
Empty and be full;
Wear out and be new;
Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.
Therefore wise men embrace the one
And set an example to all.
Not putting on a display,
They shine forth.
Not justifying themselves,
They are distinguished.
Not boasting,
They receive recognition.
Not bragging,
They never falter.
They do not quarrel,
So no one quarrels with them.
Therefore the ancients say, ‘Yield and overcome.’
Is that an empty saying?
Be really whole,
And all things will come to you.
Tao Te Ching, Chapter 22
July 6th, 2009 at 11:13 pmWhile I do love the Tao Te Ching and in particular the Gia Fu Feng version your quoting from ,I am not Chinese .I’m a 21st century American and my lifestyle IS on display .
July 7th, 2009 at 1:10 amIt’s called the counter culture and it WILL change the world .
My lifestyle is humble and poverty is close to my heart because only love is really worth anything in the end .
Upaya
You’ve got some patience there Zooey. I guess I misread the thread, I failed to realize you all were playing with this guy.
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These partisan folks definitely need to stop the name calling. It’s easy enough to express your opposition to a position without name calling. Like Howard Dean said, “Even in the darkest days of the Bush/Cheney administration, I don’t think there was any reason to call George Bush a fascist.”
Yet in those same dark days, the republicans framed every debate as “democrats hate our troops.” I don’t remember you crying about that, though. Hypocrisy is a standard of the Right.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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I’m not sure whether I ever addressed the “dems hate troops” issue or not, but, if it makes you feel better:
The vast majority of Dems do not hate our troops or the military in general. There are those on the far left who, in their hatred for all things military, have and do denigrate those who represent the military. There are also those who smear the military in general for the crimes of a few. But, Dems in general are very supportive of our troops.
Unfortunately, hypocrisy is all too common among the far left as well as the far right. Not that you could be expected to recognize it in your own kind, bud. ;)
July 7th, 2009 at 1:50 amwow, missing the issue all together, what about high command, really; do you think these orders come from ground level, come on. get over the topic but, give greddence to those before the previous deciscion makers and logic can be found; yet, we need new logic and mind set, so, what can we do with the curretn admin.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:37 amI see the Tea Parties as a very good thing. We might not all agree on the individual messages, but it is time that we Americans got motivated enough to turn off the TV and get off our lazy backsides and get out and protest a government that is almost totally corrupted on both sides by the lobbyists (and I include AIPAC) and corporate money.
There are a few whom I believe are not corrupted such as Bernie Sanders, Kucinich, Ron Paul, and some others.
There is no doubt about this corrupting influence. Only the will and outrage of the people as demonstrated by Americans marching and demonstrating on the street can change it.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:59 pmI was there with a film crew – we are making an independent film about the wing nuts – we have the interview with “Nazi sign guy”…I posted all of the links to my photo albums and a link to the YouTube video at http://ongoliard.50webs.com
It was really, really, weird being there…I have a talk radio show in Jax and Joe Lyles, local talent, is making the documentary and I get to help! His site is http://www.cgradio.net
Enjoy :-)
July 9th, 2009 at 9:38 pm