DeMint on Honduran coup: It was ‘no more a coup than…Al Franken’s election to the Senate.’
DeMint on Honduran coup: It was ‘no more a coup than…Al Franken’s election to the Senate.’
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) today defended Honduran President Manuel Zelaya’s recent removal from office by the Honduran military. In the course of defending the military coup, DeMint attacked President Obama for having what he called an “ad hoc and personalized foreign policy that seems less about supporting the rule of law than it is about supporting particular rulers.” Zelaya’s “removal from office was no more a coup than was Gerald Ford’s ascendence to the Oval Office or our newest colleague Al Franken’s election to the Senate,” DeMint claimed. Watch it:
DeMint seems to have missed the part where Franken was sworn in to office after a lengthy court battle that involved neither the “illegal military intervention” nor forced deportation. Further, despite Zelaya’s faults, his undemocratic removal from office has been roundly denounced by the international community and President Obama has said that the coup threatens to establish a “terrible precedent” for the future of Latin American democracy.
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This has been building for some time. Republican insurgents are now openly admitting that they prefer military coups to elections.
July 7th, 2009 at 5:56 pmDeMint seems to have missed the part where Franken was sworn in to office after a lengthy court battle that involved neither the “illegal military intervention” nor forced deportation.
Doesn’t matter.
Right-wing authoritarians don’t really follow analogies too well. If they don’t like the way a very close recount went after a protracted court battle in which all sides agreed every “T” was crossed and every “I” dotted, then their Manichean brains decide that it was a flat-out injustice.
Never mind the total lack of objective support for that conclusion; it was an injustice, plain and simple.
July 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pmI hope someone takes some of these guys out back and kicks the crap out of them.
So, let me understand: Ink-dipped fingers representing democracy in Iraq = Good. Legitimate election for U.S. Senate = Coup.
Did I miss the part where Coleman was deported as part of his loss?
PEACE
July 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pmIt always amazes me how Republicans who haven’t served one second in the military get such a boehner for anything having to do with military action, as long as they’re not involved. A military coup is like two trips to a men’s room stall for these guys…
July 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pmDeMint attacked President Obama for having what he called an “ad hoc and personalized foreign policy that seems less about supporting the rule of law than it is about supporting particular rulers.”
Which makes plenty of sense , coming from a Republican and an unabashed backer of the Bush administration , who wouldn’t let anyone or anything get in the way of maintaining the rule of law …………
July 7th, 2009 at 6:05 pmRush Limbaugh recently said of the Honduran military coup: “The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military.”
Let’s throw Limbaugh in prison for treason and then waterboard him 180 times every month.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmDeMint’s stupid comment is an insult to the nation. To demean America’s constitutional democracy in such crass and unpatriotic ways not only makes these pols look like bratty sore losers but cheapens genuine oppression and tyranny. These same right-wingers tout the benefits of an armed society to defeat tyranny but at the same time support a Frankenstein government of wild militarism, amending the Constitution when they don’t get their way and denying civil rights for genuine minorities.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmI hope the FBI is keeping an eye on Sen. DeMint.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmYou really have to wonder about the intelligence of the people who elected DeMint.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pmElected? I thought DeMint was installed in a military coup.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pmDeMint has the nerve to be spewing stupid shit about this when his political party brethren , who is indeed the governor of his very same state , has been derelict in his duties to their constituents ?
What a jackass………..
July 7th, 2009 at 6:11 pmCream DeMint is another repiggie dingaling who further alienates the repiggies from the mainstream.
Franken is a very intelligent comedian. Cream DeMint is a stupid repiggie thug.
Are military coups part of the Bush/Cheney/repiggie concept of “spreading democracy” throughout the world?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:12 pmThis is what you get when you allow HATE to rule you. This is beyond treasonous. Matter of fact, where are all of the “patriots” that would yell treason if you merely disagreed with the last POTUS, this is crazy.
Help us.
RIP
July 7th, 2009 at 6:12 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
All Republicans have gone nuts. They have come to the end of the road, and they find themselves amongst the most vile, depraved, criminal, and self serving people in the country. Is there one good person lrft among them? For shame!
July 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pmPerhaps the prez should have DeMint shipped off to Costa Rica in his pajamas if that is all part of the “rule of law”. It could be a win-win. After all, a trip south of the border has done wonders for the career of another South Carolina Republican.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pmRush Limbaugh recently said of the Honduran military coup: “The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military.”
Hey Rush, it did happen here, and without the military. It was 2000 and an activist Supreme Court was behind it. Too bad you were strung out on drugs and missed it.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pmSo much for the long-standing tradition of civility between Senators, eh DeMint?
Leave it to a Republican to slap voters, the election system, the court system, and democracy right across the face.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pmDon’t they have enough ill informed delusional people in SC? Do the really have to keep electing them?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pmOh, I knew it.
The day Franken comes to the Senate, and he’s already being treated like he’s a hostile enemy.
Some treatment as a “colleague”.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pmObviously people in the US are uninformed about the Latin American languages.
America did a great deal to instill the definition of coup. It means change of government for political reasons.
Can we help it if they still believe what we told them was a good idea isn’t true anymore?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pmRush Limbaugh recently said of the Honduran military coup: “The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military.”
Translated = “The coup was what every GOP backing jackass wishes would happen here, without the military” , you fat moron ……..
July 7th, 2009 at 6:19 pmThere is nothing in nature more dangerous than a cornered animal. When it’s do or die, now or never, all bets are off.
The Limbaughs, O’Reillys, Hannitys, Coulters, and Fundie Leaders are getting their minions all ginned up. They’re armed, rabid and extremely dangerous.
It’s no small matter when DHS issues a report on the rise, and danger, of the extreme right.
Best to arrest those who could commit crimes before they have a chance to kill. I mean, isn’t that the Right’s reasoning?
PEACE
July 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pmThe President is proud of you too, Proud, and wants the best for you and your family. Too bad you don’t have the class to return the favor.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:21 pmI wish these guys would grow a pair and not cry whenever they don’t get what they want. I swear I’ve seen five year old kids act better than these Republicants when they lose.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pmProud Says:
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I am just pleased that Obama is standing strong with Chavez and Castro in support of their fellow socialist leader.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Apparently , you’re just as eager and pleased to constantly reveal your colossal ignorance , stupidity and complete lack of honesty………..
July 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThe republicans have been demoralized, exposed for who they are, and marginalized. Their attitude is the result of extreme frustration, and they feel that at this point they can say/do whatever they want to say/do because, after all, what do they have to lose? Almost everything they do/say should be viewed as the cries/protestations of losers. If they didn’t feel like losers, they’d have something substantive to say. Losers. That’s all they are at this point. Losers looking to score points any way they can, but they don’t realize how foolish they look.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:24 pmRush Limbaugh recently said of the Honduran military coup: “The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military.”
How could that happen without the military? A magical coup fairy? If the Republicans want to stage a real armed revolution, they’re going to have to actually be willing to go for it. Talk about your paper-tiger yappy dogs…
July 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pmWhy don’t they just go for it once and for all. Then we can be rid of them forever.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:26 pmRepublicans are also frustrated because they are driven by hate. They try real hard to package hate with a nice red bow but thankfully the days of being fooled are over.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pmDemint is right. The story I heard on Fox news is that Norm Coleman was wrested from his bed at 2 AM by socialist military thugs (they suspect the Brothers of Islam), forced onto an unmarked airplane while still in his PJ’s and flown out of the US to Cuba where he is currently imprisoned. Al Franken was then declared Senator by said military thugs and now he’s in congress! Dear Lord what’s a God-fearing republicon to do?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:29 pmWhy is proud trying to hijack this thread?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:29 pmProud Says:
I am just pleased that Obama is standing strong with Chavez and Castro in support of their fellow socialist leader.
OMG!
Socialists, socialists EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!
July 7th, 2009 at 6:31 pmProud, Demint comparing the Franken win to a coup is just sour grapes. DeMint needs to grow up, and then enter politics.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:31 pmWTF……are repubs trying to out crazy each other…..
Batshit crazy is as Batshit crazy does…..
Peace
July 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pmProud Says:
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MCMetal Says:
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Proud Says:
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I am just pleased that Obama is standing strong with Chavez and Castro in support of their fellow socialist leader.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Apparently , you’re just as eager and pleased to constantly reveal your colossal ignorance , stupidity and complete lack of honesty………..
Please, use your great intellect and tell me what is incorrect about my post, they are all socialists, including Obama that is why he has spoken out against the good people of Honduras who have ousted a dictator. Obama will never oppose Chavez or Castro they are a great trio.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
The “good people of the Honduras” didn’t oust President Manuel Zelaya , dipshit ; a military coup did.
The military isn’t run by the people you retard……..
July 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pmFrom the only progressive on the ground in Honduras, I’ve heard that Zelaya is a Chavez-light leftist who really DID try to upend their Constitution by continuing on in office beyond the terms of office to which he was legally entitled. So…WTF? Just because this guy is a leftist, some folks are supporting him in a knee-jerk fashion…while it really can’t come as a surprise that the military, if no one else, has removed him from power?
I think the only way I can rationalize being against his ouster is this: If the military keeps some general in power as the President and doesn’t immediately begin legal reconstruction of the civilian government, with open and legal elections, etc…IF they don’t do that, then bring Zelaya back, TEMPORARILY, until he can change the Constitution a la Chavez, and run again…
If anyone knows more about this than the above, I will stand corrected. Otherwise, DeMint and other neoconservatives Neanderthals actually have a point–unless they’re skewering Al Franken, which is par for the course for those assh*les.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:36 pmYou can’t prove the troll wrong, MCM, because Prod, like most trolls uses an expansive definition of “socialist”. To them, it means “anything short of social Darwinism”.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pmBoy. These Repig morons have no shame, do they??
Yes, I know. That’s a rhetorical question. *sigh*
July 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pmProud Says:
MCMetal Says:
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Proud Says:
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I am just pleased that Obama is standing strong with Chavez and Castro in support of their fellow socialist leader.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Apparently , you’re just as eager and pleased to constantly reveal your colossal ignorance , stupidity and complete lack of honesty………..
Please, use your great intellect and tell me what is incorrect about my post, they are all socialists, including Obama that is why he has spoken out against the good people of Honduras who have ousted a dictator. Obama will never oppose Chavez or Castro they are a great trio.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
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if you’re “pleased”
then there is no problem.
:)
July 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pm…
proud,
you’re not going to pull
a “palin” and quit again are you?
:|
“quitters never win,
and winners never quit.”
– gen george s. patton, the battle of the bulge
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July 7th, 2009 at 6:41 pmGiven a choice, I’d rather be surrounded by Socialists than Fascists.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:41 pmProud Babbles:
Please, use your great intellect and tell me what is incorrect about my post, they are all socialists,[...]
You have no idea what socialism is. Here is a link. Please read and educate yourself.
the good people of Honduras who have ousted a dictator.
You have no idea of international politics. Zelaya was elected -as was Chavez. Zelaya wasn’t ousted by the “good people of Honduras”. He was ousted via a military coup d’etat.
If you have problems with the definition of coup d’etat (I know reichwingers don’t do French too well), here is a link to help you understand the expression.
Obama will never oppose Chavez or Castro they are a great trio.
Well, at least you can count to three which is more that can be said of some of your fellow reichwingers.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:43 pmProudMoron Says:
I am just pleased that Obama is standing strong with Chavez and Castro in support of their fellow socialist leader.
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I am just glad you are so unremittingly STUPID. I mean you are really consistant. A moron everytime you post. An ignorant punkass troll that virtually NEVER writes anything but juvenile idiocy. Doesnt it ever make you just cry to think about how stupid and pathetic you are?
July 7th, 2009 at 6:48 pmDaddy-O:
The short answer is, yes Manuel Zelaya was trying to change the Honduran Constitution to allow him to remain in power. However his current term of office would have expired in “early 2010″.
There are really two issues 1) is he going about making changes to the Honduran Constitution correctly (probably not) 2) is he still the legally elected President of Honduras (Yes).
It is the second issue that is the reason why the US, EU, and OAS is calling for him to be returned to power.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:49 pmAmericasBack Says:
Zooey, in young rethuglican’s suicide (by cop) note, he said that you drove him to do what he did. Said he couldn’t take it anymore. Jeezzz Zooey, you were too hard on the little man.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
OMG, not another one! :-D
July 7th, 2009 at 6:50 pmProudMoron Says:
Please, use your great intellect and tell me what is incorrect about my post, they are all socialists, including Obama that is why he has spoken out against the good people of Honduras who have ousted a dictator. Obama will never oppose Chavez or Castro they are a great trio.
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How about the FACT Obama is not a socialist and you are stupider than most things I scrape off of my shoe? My GOD you are ignorant. A liar and a fool and the stupidest punkass troll imaginable
July 7th, 2009 at 6:50 pmZooey Says:
Given a choice, I’d rather be surrounded by Socialists than Fascists.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
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proud is surrounded by his own phobias
and insecurities. that’s why he comes here.
we’re his methadone.
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July 7th, 2009 at 6:51 pmDaddy-O Says:
He MAY have done so but he was putting it up for a vote. Can you tell me if the Honduran constitution allows this? Also his term was not up until THIS January. So whatever he did UNTIL then it was STILL his office unless the legal machinery of Honduras did whatever THEIR version of an impeachment is. Anyway you look at this it was a military coup and the history of Latin American military coups is quite bloody.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:54 pmSo let me get this straight, democrats are mocked by accusations of turning America into Sweden, while repubs are
trying the change it into a banana republic.
Sounds about right.
July 7th, 2009 at 6:57 pmHmm. Say, if you want to use DeMint’s words against him…
…could we then assert that Bush’s 2000 victory was…a coup?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:00 pmjimmcdosh Says:
You have to admit, he does bring up some pretty valid points!
RT
Online Privacy when it Counts
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“privacy”?
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July 7th, 2009 at 7:03 pmjimmcdosh Says:
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You have to admit, he does bring up some pretty valid points!
RT
Online Privacy when it Counts
July 7th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
You obviously aren’t talking about the same speech that’s being discussed here………
July 7th, 2009 at 7:04 pm#60 jimmcdosh
Flag the spammer.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:08 pmThey have some real “Brainiacs” there in South Carolina.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
July 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pmOnce again we have Repignofascists talking trash and dissing the President of the United States. Just a few months ago if anyone had dissed Chimpy McFlightsuit these same pathetically ignorant Repignofascists would have been claiming that “treason” was being commmited by those dissing Chimpy. But now when they do the same to Barack its ok? What a ludicrous bunch of Cheney-wipes. I only hope the Repignofascists can quickly adjust to their third-class citizen status. You’re going to be there for a very long time.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:17 pmjohnny dol1ar Says:
#60 jimmcdosh
Flag the spammer.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
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flag him?
he should be promoted to secretary
of the department of law!
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July 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI can certainly see why DeMented still makes C&L’s list of most insane republicans, although he’s got a long way to top
July 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pmBachman and Beck.
Proud got his poli sci degree through the “Gold Bond Medicated Powder Conservative Scholars Program”, as advertised on the Rush Limbaugh radio show. Six weeks of intensive study and 10 proofs-of-purchase later, he can tell us what Socialists are and are not.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:24 pmRich H Says:
Why is proud trying to hijack this thread?
Because the topic (Jim DeMint) is embarrassing to Republicans.
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Daddy-O Says:
From the only progressive on the ground in Honduras, I’ve heard that Zelaya is a Chavez-light leftist who really DID try to upend their Constitution by continuing on in office beyond the terms of office to which he was legally entitled. So…WTF?
I don’t know enough about it to pick a side. But if somebody would like to cite some credible sources, that would be fine. However, if they’re going to play games with this issue, then I’m going to play defense until I know better.
But looking into it a bit further, it does look like Zelaya was trying to break the law, and the Honduran Supreme Court may have authorized the coup. If anybody can find some stronger citations, I’d be interested in seeing them.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:26 pmEugeneDebs Says:
He MAY have done so but he was putting it up for a vote. Can you tell me if the Honduran constitution allows this?
According to the Honduran congress, it doesn’t.
Also his term was not up until THIS January. So whatever he did UNTIL then it was STILL his office unless the legal machinery of Honduras did whatever THEIR version of an impeachment is.
According (again) to the Honduran congress, they did.
Anyway you look at this it was a military coup and the history of Latin American military coups is quite bloody.
Begging to differ here, I’d rather call this a congressional coup. Whilst the military did kick him out, they did it following the Honduran Supreme Court’s orders.
At least that’s what I get from this (and other) links.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pmThere’s little point arguing with troll du jour, other than to say…
Every country in the world decried the coup in Honduras. How long before Proud starts ranting that the “socialists” are everywhere and they’re reading his thoughts, even though he has a new tinfoil hat?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pmAmericasBack Says:
Zooey, do you remember those rubber balls that had handles on the top? (You know, the ones we used to jump around on)
If I remember right, they were called “Hippity-hop”. I was really pissed because all the “little” kids had them and I was just too big when they hit the market.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:34 pmMan o Man! SC sure produces some intelligent politicians, eh?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:40 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
If all that is true why is virtually the entire world condemning this as a coup?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pmDeMint attacked President Obama for having what he called an “ad hoc and personalized foreign policy that seems less about supporting the rule of law than it is about supporting particular rulers.”
right, republicans
kiss commie dictator’s asses in China but,
hate cuba
they hated Saddam then
they loved saddam, then
they hated Saddam
They gave Bin laden guns and training then
they hated Bin Laden then they,
let him escape in Tora Bora
They hated Russia, then they
loved putin’s soul, now
they hate him again
What else have I left out?
July 7th, 2009 at 7:50 pmIt looks like the Honduran Constitution does NOT allow for the terms of office to be amended however Article 2 says
that sovereignty originates in the people, also includes a provision new to the 1982 constitution that labels the supplanting of popular sovereignty and the usurping of power as “crimes of treason against the fatherland.”
The OAS is saying that Honduras must reinstate him or they will be suspended. This is a hoary and complicated mess. I dont care if he is a lefty or not. ANY military coup makes me queazy
July 7th, 2009 at 7:58 pmThey don’t want to count the ballots in Florida to determine who won the election. They want to see overthrows of legally elected democratic governments in Latin America, and winsomely desire a non-violent overthrow of the legally elected government here in the US. They complain that the election of a US senator which has been analyzed oin all the state courts which had jurisdiction is in some way less than legal. They refuse to recognize international law as having any merit.
They want their way or the highway. That is my definition of a Nazi. If that is name calling, so be it. I passed civics in grammar school.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:58 pmElBruce Says:
But looking into it a bit further, it does look like Zelaya was trying to break the law, and the Honduran Supreme Court may have authorized the coup. If anybody can find some stronger citations, I’d be interested in seeing them.
I think that a lot of world leaders objected to the coup, because Zelaya was an elected official, and coups make people uncomfortable (much like the response of European rulers to the beheading of Charles I in England and later to the murder of the French aristocracy). There does seem to be a lot more to the story, at least in what limited information I’ve found so far.
Some background (which may not fit the facts, but I’ve yet to see a reputable response).
The good news is that Oscar Arias is mediating.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:05 pmEugeneDebs Says:
If all that is true why is virtually the entire world condemning this as a coup?
Well maybe because they don’t share the Honduran Congress’s point of view regarding their Constitution and the powers invested in them. As I said, that’s what the Honduran Congress claims.
I’m not sure who violated the Honduran Constitution (Zelaya, their Court, or both). I actually read the relevant parts of their Constitution a week ago, out of curiosity, and I think they’re playing semantics in more than a few of their legal claims. Alas, I’m not a Constitutional lawyer so this is just my interpretation of the situation.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:06 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
Begging to differ here, I’d rather call this a congressional coup. Whilst the military did kick him out, they did it following the Honduran Supreme Court’s orders.
At least that’s what I get from this (and other) links.
It doesn’t matter who instigates it, Manuel Zelaya was removed from power before his term of office was over. It doesn’t appear that there was a legal way of doing it and the supreme court and congress is going along/rubber stamping it.
From my reading, he was not following constitutional methods to change the constitution, but using the military to oust him from power is not the way to correct the issue. Impeachment or other legal means should have been used.
Had he tried to remain in power after January, then military removal might be warranted.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:08 pmYou all keep pointing out pertinent facts that exclude any analogy between Franken and the ousted Honduran millionaire guy to a Republican.
Did hell freeze over or something?
July 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pmPurple State Says:
Hmm. Say, if you want to use DeMint’s words against him…
…could we then assert that Bush’s 2000 victory was…a coup?
Most scholars consider the 2000 election a coup.
The Spanish term for what happened in Honduras is golpe d’estado, literally, strike to the state.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pmThat is what happened in the USA in 2000.
Luis Chapulin M Says:
Whilst the military did kick him out, they did it following the Honduran Supreme Court’s orders.
And I say the court order to oust him is a fig leaf. The whole thing still stinks.
A letter of resignation supposed to be Zelaya’s was read out loud before Congress voted to strip him of his powers.
He resigned, but then he was kicked out of the country? C’mon now…
July 7th, 2009 at 8:24 pmFor your consideration, a relevant article from the Honduran Constitution:
ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Designado. El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos, y quedarán inhabilitados por diez años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.
Loosely translated (feel free to correct me if you think I mis-translated some part), it says that whoever has been President can’t be an acting or designated President again. Whoever breaks this disposition or proposes to reform it, as well as those who directly or indirectly support him, will lose their position immediately and won’t be able to be in the government for the next 10 years.
I guess their Congress is mainly basing their coup in this article (the parts I bolded), claiming that Zelaya’s referendum constitutes an attempt to unconstitutionally reform this article and therefore he automatically lost his position.
Of course, as it has been said in the previous comments, waking him up in the middle of the night with guns blazing was most definitely not a smart move.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:30 pmGregor Samsa Says:
A letter of resignation supposed to be Zelaya’s was read out loud before Congress voted to strip him of his powers.
He resigned, but then he was kicked out of the country? C’mon now…
Yeah, that letter was a fake. Some bonehead thought no one would actually ask Zelaya if he had written the letter or not.
And as for kicking him out of the country… you got me there, I’ve no idea why they did it. It’s not as if anyone who allegedly breaks their Constitution is automatically exiled or something.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pmRegardless of whether it was right or wrong, it was still technically a coup. That’s just what the word “coup” means. So DeMint is wrong, but we already could have assumed that.
This situation amounts to a failure of their constitution, rather than a fulfillment of it; Franken’s election followed the legal procedure in place, from beginning to end. So DeMint is a sycophantic imbecile, but we already knew that.
These sorts of things have happened in America from time to time as well. Florida 2000. Or the Trail of Tears, in which a President openly defied a SCOTUS court order.
It’s hard to say which way on this though, since the same people who’ve been calling Chavez an iron-fisted dictator (and I keep waiting for some kind of evidence of these claims) are backing this coup as well. The problem with people who lie all the time is that eventually rational people stop believing them.
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Luis Chapulin M Says:
I’m not sure who violated the Honduran Constitution (Zelaya, their Court, or both).
If a Supreme Court says something is so, then it is so. That’s what a Supreme Court is. It is not possible for the ruling of any Supreme Court to be illegal, no matter what that ruling may be.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:35 pmChuck Feney,
Sorry Pal, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts. The Supreme Court UPHELD the law in that case. Specifically, it was Al Gore who was attempting to circumvent Florida’s legitimate electionb results. He was never in the lead with respect tio the vote count anyway.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pmTim,
Don’t use Florida and “legitimate election results” in the same sentence.
And sorry Pal, don’t spout what you don’t know.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:55 pmI am wondering if the voters in South Carolina are as proud of their little darlings as the rest of us are.
“They don’t need no education”.
I am afraid South Carolinian’s should hold their lily white heads in shame to have sired the dumbest group of politicians in the country today, lacking morals and/or brains.
Fine example of the religious right’s hard work!
July 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pmMeh. Timmeh knows what he knows. And he knows the right-wing pundits wouldn’t lie to him.
July 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pmAll of which is beside the point.
Until such time as an aggrieved party beseeches us for direct aid? The only appropriate response is, “settle it yourself”. It doesn’t much matter who we like.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:01 pmRalph,
How does Tim function with a bag over his head?
July 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pmWhat happened in Honduras was NOT a coup, period.
The military is not in charge and democratic institutions, including the presidency are functioning more or less “business as usual.”
I agree the methods were somewhat unorthodox by our standards, but they did what they had to do to prevent another “Hugo Chavez” type of takeover!
July 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pmElBruce Says:
Regardless of whether it was right or wrong, it was still technically a coup.
Yep, indeed it was.
They can try to put lipstick on the pig, but it still is a pig.
Luis Chapulin M Says:
Yeah, that letter was a fake.
Which would point to the conclusion that Zelaya’s ouster was illegal, and the letter a fig leaf. Moreover, I am willing to bet Honduran law is very close in this respect to American law: The government is made up of three equal and independent branches; Congress cannot unilaterally “fire” the head of the Executive branch.
There must be a impeachment process that they didn’t follow. Accepting Zelaya’s “resignation” letter was far more expedient.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Sorry Pal, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts. The Supreme Court UPHELD the law in that case. Specifically, it was Al Gore who was attempting to circumvent Florida’s legitimate electionb results. He was never in the lead with respect tio the vote count anyway.
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You are completely WRONG. First the SC upheld NO LAW. The instituted a NEW interpretation of equal protection that if upheld would invalidate the majority of states hand recounts, since most states allow each county to make their own standards which is why they made the decision to say the ruling would NOT be used as precedent. Eventually all the votes WERE counted by an accounting firm. When all valid votes were counted Gore won by ANY counting standard.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pmAaaaaand to make it more interesting…
ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde:
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5. Por incitar, promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la República;
(…)y para los casos de los incisos 4) y 5) también por acuerdo gubernativo, previa sentencia condenatoria dictada por los tribunales competentes.
Loss of citizenship for supporting a presidential re-election or extension of terms. But only after the competent tribunals have passed sentence, and this sentence is carried out by the President. I’m guessing this won’t be the case, here.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pmRalph,
I didn’t need any pundits to tell me what to think. Anyone can do the research and determine what actually happened in the 200 election.
It’s folks that post on this blog who have their heads in the sand.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Chavez didnt TAKE OVER anything. He was freely elected and every change he made was put up for popular vote. The people of Venezuala had their votes COUNTED. If only the people of Florida had the same right in 2000 Bush would never have been inflicted upon America
July 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pmI believe it was trolls who raised the issue of the 2000 election. I think that’s a dead issue.
Two bipartisan courts decided that there was no legal reason to challenge Al Franken’s win. That’s a dead issue.
DeMint comparing Franken’s election to a coup anywhere is either blatantly stupid or deliberately dishonest.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pmpete Says:
DeMint comparing Franken’s election to a coup anywhere is either blatantly stupid or deliberately dishonest.
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I vote both
July 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pmEugeneDebs,
Well it is simply a fact that Al Gore and his bevy of lawyers attempted to cherry-pick only the counties that held out the possibility of votes going his way.
The Republican side was more than ready to agree to a state-wide recount at that time, but Al Gore would have nothing to do with that!
July 7th, 2009 at 9:11 pmOh Timmeh. We aren’t the one’s calling what happened Honduras a coup. Your boy DeMint is the one calling it a coup and we “libs” are the ones who have pointed out the fact that calling Franken’s election a “coup” is a blatant lie by any definition of the term.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:12 pmGregor Samsa Says:
Luis Chapulin M Says:
Yeah, that letter was a fake.
Which would point to the conclusion that Zelaya’s ouster was illegal, and the letter a fig leaf. Moreover, I am willing to bet Honduran law is very close in this respect to American law: The government is made up of three equal and independent branches; Congress cannot unilaterally “fire” the head of the Executive branch.
Remember that Latin America has seen more than it’s share of coups and dictators these past 50 years, and this Constitution is fairly recent (1980’s, I think) so their laws are probably more strongly-worded in regards of what a President can and can’t do.
Besides, constitutionally speaking, their President can’t “fire” the head of their military (only their Congress can do that) and Zelaya tried to do just that. On the other hand, the head of their military has to follow the President’s orders.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pmEugeneDebs,
If you do not see that Hugo Chavez is engineering a marxist takeover in Venezuela, you simply haven’t been paying attention!
C’mon!
July 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pmGotta run. Let’s hope Arias’ involvement can settle this Honduran business peacefully and without any more loss of lives.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pmTim Vaculik
No it is NOT a fact. Selected county recounts are the rule not the exception so it was the first thing offered. I PERSONALLY SAW Gore say he wanted a statewide recount and the Bush team went to court to stop it. So you are flat out wrong.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pmEugeneDebs Says:
pete Says:
DeMint comparing Franken’s election to a coup anywhere is either blatantly stupid or deliberately dishonest.
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I vote both
I agree. I should have said, “blatantly stupid and/or deliberately dishonest. Smart people don’t need to lie so I tend to separate the two..
July 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Whatever Chavez is trying to do he is trying it by PUTTING IT UP FOR POPULAR VOTE. That is pretty much the OPPOSITE of taking over. You guys just dont like votes that dont go the way you think they should.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:18 pmHugo Chavez is seen as the George W Bush of Latin America.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:18 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
Besides, constitutionally speaking, their President can’t “fire” the head of their military (only their Congress can do that) and Zelaya tried to do just that.
Right. I am not defending Zelaya’s actions.
I guess I am trying that two wrongs don’t make one right: Zelaya’s actions were questionable (to say the least, including his referendum), and Honduras’ Congress and military were also wrong in having him removed by force.
I don’t believe there are any good guys in this story.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:24 pmOops! I meant “I guess I am trying to say that…”
July 7th, 2009 at 9:25 pmTim Vacuous Says:
What happened in Honduras was NOT a coup, period.
The military is not in charge and democratic institutions, including the presidency are functioning more or less “business as usual.”
I agree the methods were somewhat unorthodox by our standards, but they did what they had to do to prevent another “Hugo Chavez” type of takeover!
Another fascinating excursion into the miniature mind of the Right Wing. If the military removes a president from office and throws him out of the country it isn’t a “coup”, but only “unorthodox” — as long as the president in question (duly elected, incidentally) is a Leftist.
It doesn’t even matter if the president in question is trying to extend his term in office by means of a “referendum” — in other words, if the citizens of the country decide they wish to allow an extension of office.
Nope. Not in Timmeh’s world, because socialists can be removed from office by whatever means necessary and it’s OK.
What a prat.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:25 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Sorry Pal, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts. The Supreme Court UPHELD the law in that case.
Whether one agrees with the SCOTUS or not, the Constitution says that whatever they say is the law, and we went by that. So I agree that Florida 2000 wasn’t a constitutional crisis in the same way that the situation in Honduras is. But neither is Franken’s election. One can disagree with one and agree with the other either way, but the fact remains that in both cases the final determination was made by the constitutionally legitimate authorities involved. The military should never be such a determining authority, so the situation in Honduras isn’t even comparable.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
What happened in Honduras was NOT a coup, period.
coup: 2 : coup d’état
coup d’etat: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics ; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
Yep, that’s what happened. It may or may not have been the right thing to do. It may or may not be constitutional. But it was a coup.
The appropriate words to describe states of affairs are based on the definitions of those words, not by whether they are commonly viewed as “good” or “bad.” This is a cognitive mistake commonly made by wingnuts.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
…but they did what they had to do to prevent another “Hugo Chavez” type of takeover!
Chavez was democratically elected. So what you’re saying there is “they did what they had to do to prevent” democracy. You might want to walk that one back a bit…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:29 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Another fascinating excursion into the miniature mind of the Right Wing.
Notice also our miniature-minded conservative (but I repeat myself) visitor doesn’t claim that Hondurans removed a dictator, but a dictator-in-the-making. Maybe. Perhaps. Could be.
That’s how the world works in Timmy’s mind: Claim your opponent aims to do X (whatever X might be, it’s bad -bad! I tell ya) then act preemptively. Don’t have any evidence? No matter: Just repeat the accusation. It will eventually become true.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:31 pmAmericasBack,
You just haven’t read enough of my posts. I took the test and found I’m a lot closer to Friedman!
I’m two clicks right of center and about two clicks below the line towards libertarian.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:34 pmEugeneDebs,
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Chuck Feney,
Sorry Pal, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts. The Supreme Court UPHELD the law in that case. Specifically, it was Al Gore who was attempting to circumvent Florida’s legitimate electionb results. He was never in the lead with respect tio the vote count anyway.
You aren’t entitled to your own set of facts either idiot. The Supreme court stepped in before the State Supreme court had ruled. The Supremes also ignored precedent in which the house of representatives is supposed to resolve the issue: http://books.google.com/books?id=f6kyAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=the+house+resolved+disupted+presidental+elections&source=bl&ots=VKEmyqehRp&sig=ecNdH38lPuzc9OijeBl6jG-6cg8&hl=en&ei=ovdTSoSxEo3nlAeLidTfCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2
July 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pmElBruce,
If you call the Honduran Legislature, its Supreme Court and the majority of the citizens a “small group”, THEN you can legitimately say it was a “coup.”
Got news for you – it wasn’t.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pmThere was a time when DeMint would’ve been eyeball to muzzle with a dueling pistol over a crack like that. Ah, those were the days, when the Senate still had spittoons…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pmWhich is more than bush can say, with a straight face anyway…
Tim BSculik babbles:
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
So were Reagan, and Bush Jr. (in 2004). And all three were disastrous in their own unique ways.
I’m sorry… what was your point again?
July 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pmAmericasBack,
O.K, point taken. I’ve slept since then, you know. All I do remember is that the tactics Al Gore was using were designed to circumvent Florida law and nullify the certified results of the election.
The Supreme Court simply put a halt to the recount.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pmAmericasBack,
It is an incontrovertible fact that Al Gore was never ahead in the certified election results or in any legitimate recounts immediately after during the period allowed for them.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:42 pmTim Vaculik Says:
ElBruce,
If you call the Honduran Legislature, its Supreme Court and the majority of the citizens a “small group”, THEN you can legitimately say it was a “coup.”
Got news for you – it wasn’t.
Why?
If the president was so unpopular (”majority of the citizens”) he would never have succeeded with a referendum and his term would have expired in January. Removing him from office is, by any normal use of language, a coup.
You explain why it wasn’t. And that does not mean repeating yourself over and over.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:43 pmNo matter how many times or ways you debunk a wingnut talking points, they just keep repeating them.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:43 pmGregor Samsa,
The point is very simple, my friend. Hugo Chavez is clearly manipulating his countries laws to establish unfettered power in HIMSELF, just like Hitler did.
There is simply no comparing this to our elections.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pmDescription for a Reichwhiner.
1. They kill what they hate (Unless they are basement-dwelling trolls or elected chickenhawks who send others to kill, or die, for them.).
2. They hate what they fear.
4, They fear what they do not understand.
5. They don’t understand much of anything.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
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Tim, you NEVER know what you are talking about. Hitler was NEVER elected. Hitler was APPOINTED by Hindenberg. He then put NOTHING up for a vote he assumed complete dictatorial power. Chavez put his call for a change in the constitution UP FOR A VOTE. Try to make some sense
July 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pmAl Franken sworn in, with a straight face
Los Angeles Times – Faye Fiore – ?37 minutes ago?
No wisecracks from Minnesota’s new junior senator as he begins his first day of work, complete with first weekly Senate Democrats lunch and first vote.
W T F , Faye…
he ran to be Senator of the United States, not court jester…
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rachel’s showing that Senator Al Franken received a near 3 minute standing ovation after being sworn in today…
GO AL!
July 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pmLevi,
I have an appetite for the truth and the truth always bears repeating. Especially here…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pmYou can’t HANDLE the truth.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pmTim Vaculik
My GOD you just go on and on with your LIES. Gore NEVER tried to circumvent Florida law. THAT would be Bush. FLORIDA SC stated there would be a statewide recount. THAT was Florida law. BUSH would have none of it and went to the SC to circumvent Florida law. You just spew the stupidest propaganda imaginable and are show consistantly that you never know what you are talking about.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Levi,
I have an appetite for the truth and the truth always bears repeating. Especially here…
You have yet to respond with any evidence about any of your “truth,” timmeh. Pathetically repeating it over and over does not make it true; it does reveal that you have nothing, zero, nada, to back up your opinion.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pmhad the R’s not already purged voter rolls, gore would’ve won FL by at least 10,000 votes.
jeb and kathy made sure that was impossible.
still, the result was closer than planned, and james baker had to visit the court and call in the elder bush’s chits.
a story as old as graft itself.
nice apologetics, Tim.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pmLevi the Dungbeetle Says:
No matter how many times or ways you debunk a wingnut talking points, they just keep repeating them.
They (including timmeh) have no choice because they have nothing to support their talking points.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pmEugeneDebs,
From Wikipedia
Substitute Chavez for Hitler and you’ve got it.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pmDoh! Yes, I can count to five. (Three sir!)
July 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
Adolph Hitler also wore pants. Do you wear pants, Nazi?
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Tim Vaculik Says:
If you call the Honduran Legislature, its Supreme Court and the majority of the citizens a “small group”, THEN you can legitimately say it was a “coup.”
The will of the majority of the citizens can only be determined by holding an election. The legislature did vote to remove him, and the supreme court seems to have authorized the military intervention.
But none of that matters.
It’s called a “coup” when violence is necessary to enforce a change of government. That’s what a coup is. That’s what the word means. Now, I’m not saying it’s necessarily bad, or even unconstitutional. You still don’t seem to understand that the definitions of words are value-neutral.
But if you don’t believe me, how about the WSJ? Coup Rocks Honduras:
When that happens, it’s called a “coup.” That’s the word for that.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pmtombaker,
Had the Democrats in a number of counties not illegitimately rejected Military absentee ballots, Gore would have lost by a wider margin!
July 7th, 2009 at 9:51 pmTim Vaculik Says:
It is an incontrovertible fact that Al Gore was never ahead in the certified election results or in any legitimate recounts immediately after during the period allowed for them.
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Your first true statement. This DESPITE THE UNDENIABLE FACT, that when all valid votes were counted Gore won by any counting scenario. Bush DID manage to legally STOP the votes from being counted. You know counting votes, what I like to call DEMOCRACY. Bush successfully and legally thwarted democracy.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pmTim Vaculik babbles:
Hugo Chavez is clearly manipulating his countries laws to establish unfettered power in HIMSELF, just like Hitler did.
First, as someone else already pointed out to you, Hitler was appointed by Hindenburg.
Second, Chavez has had constitutional changes approved by referendum. His latest attempt at a change was defeated in one such referendum.
It doesn’t sound like he has “unfettered power”. Please try to keep up.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pmSo, Timmeh. If I follow you correctly you seem to think that what happened in Honduras was not a coup, but Franken’s election was a coup, so DeMint was right.
That’s effing stupid.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Levi,
I have an appetite for the truth and the truth always bears repeating. Especially here…
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You have an appetite for spewing delusional fantasies and flatly dont know what you are talking about. You regurgitate the LIES you are told to believe. You are getting spanked here pretty badly.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pmElBruce,
Fine. Use any definition you want, but even if we do the fact remains it was not a coup in the regular sense of how the term is used.
The military is not in power and democracy has not been suspended. They still have a President.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pmEugeneDebs,
Well, at least I admit it when I’m wrong.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pmpete,
I wasn’t defending DeMint’s comments.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:56 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Well, at least I admit it when I’m wrong.
Bwahahahahaha! You won’t even substantiate your stupid opinions, much less admit when you’re wrong. You’re delusional, timmeh.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:57 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Gregor Samsa,
The point is very simple, my friend. Hugo Chavez is clearly manipulating his countries laws to establish unfettered power in HIMSELF, just like Hitler did.
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At least not like the 2000 election. They actually COUNT the votes in Venezuala
July 7th, 2009 at 9:57 pmGregor Samsa,
Yes, his latest attempt hasn’t passed… yet. Don’t you see that what he is even ATTEMPTING is a takeover?
Have you studied no history at all?
July 7th, 2009 at 9:57 pmTim Vaculik Prattles:
Substitute Chavez for Hitler and you’ve got it.
Translation: Replace “Hitler” with the name of a person you dislike, grasp at straws by establishing any parallel at all -however thin, don’t concern yourself too much with facts, and you’ve got it…
July 7th, 2009 at 9:57 pmTim Vaculik Says:
IF you had read the whole thing you would know that he HAD to say this since he had not that long before been released from prison for a FAILED COUP. WHEN he got power he suspended everything and was an absolute dictator. Chavez has put his changes UP FOR POPULAR VOTE. So more like NOTHING like Chavez. It is clearer and clearer that you know NOTHING about history and are brainwashed beyond belief
July 7th, 2009 at 10:00 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Well, at least I admit it when I’m wrong.
DeMint claims Honduras is a coup. You disagree.
DeMint claims Franken’s election was a coup. You agree.
DeMint says they are the same thing. You agree.
Can’t you see why we think you’re a partisan idiot who can’t think for himself?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Had the Democrats in a number of counties not illegitimately rejected Military absentee ballots, Gore would have lost by a wider margin!
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This is a flat out lie. Even absentee ballots that werent legal were counted. You just regurgitate the stupidest things. Flat out lies. You are brainwashed and ought to be ashamed to repeat the idiotic things you were programmed with by the Limborg
July 7th, 2009 at 10:02 pmEugeneDebs,
You know as well as I that it is highly speculative and engaging in armchair quarterbacking to say that Al Gore would have won if only all the votes were counted.
It is also a well-known fact that there were severe problems with the ballots and the machines; so much so that at that time it became clear that there was no way to be sure endless recounts would yield valid results.
You could take ANY election in America and change the certified results given enough time and enough forensic accountants!
July 7th, 2009 at 10:03 pmAmericasBack ,
See #165
July 7th, 2009 at 10:03 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Yes, his latest attempt hasn’t passed… yet.
His latest attempt was, oh, two years ago or so.
Pretty lame for someone aiming to have “unfettered power”, considering he has had about 10 years to do it…
Don’t you see that what he is even ATTEMPTING is a takeover?
What I see is that you just admitted he is not a dictator, in spite of all your previous hyperventilation.
Have you studied no history at all?
I have, and I understand Venezuela in 2000 is not anything like Germany in the 1930s…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Well, at least I admit it when I’m wrong.
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When? Is THAT an admission you were wrong? Which time? You have been wrong so much I lost count.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pmEugeneDebs,
After all, how do you think Al Franken got the Senate seat?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pmpete!
Get a grip.
true. It wasn’t a coup.
No, I do not.
No they aren’t
July 7th, 2009 at 10:07 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Again I dropped a paragraph
The point is very simple, my friend. Hugo Chavez is clearly manipulating his countries laws to establish unfettered power in HIMSELF, just like Hitler did.
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IF you had read that article you would see he said that because he had to having recently been released from PRISON for attempting a COUP. Then when appointed to power he suspended EVERY bit of democracy, put NOTHING up for votes and was an absolute dictator. So really NOTHING like Chavez
There is simply no comparing this to our elections.
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At least not like the 2000 election. They actually COUNT the votes in Venezuala
July 7th, 2009 at 10:08 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
After all, how do you think Al Franken got the Senate seat?
He was elected, timmeh.
Why are you avoiding defending your opinions? When will you explain why it wasn’t a coup in Honduras?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:08 pmTim Vaculik Says:
After all, how do you think Al Franken got the Senate seat?
Er… by winning the election? All the votes were counted and Coleman gave up trying to contest the results… that’s how.
How did the process happen in your alternate reality?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:10 pmWow, this is really amazing to me. Here I sit at a keyboard in America arguing with apologists for Hugo Chavez… with my own countrymen?
It is incredible to me that there actually are people that can’t see what is happening in Central America ala the Hugo Chavez model.
I guess I should say amazing, but not unexpected given the absolutely horrid state of public school education in this country. Then the universities get a hold of ‘em and REALLY fill them full of socialist ideas.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:13 pmTim Vaculik Says:
You know as well as I that it is highly speculative and engaging in armchair quarterbacking to say that Al Gore would have won if only all the votes were counted.
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I know no such thing. In fact I know the exact opposite. The votes WERE COUNTED by an accounting firm. If ALL valid votes were counted Gore won by any counting scenario. This is not in dispute by anyone who knows the facts.
It is also a well-known fact that there were severe problems with the ballots and the machines; so much so that at that time it became clear that there was no way to be sure endless recounts would yield valid results.
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This is NOT a well known fact this is a flat out lie and rightwing propaganda. I know it is what you were TOLD to beleive by a radio screechmonkey. The only REAL problem with ballots was the Palm beach fiasco. Which NETTED Bush about 20,000 votes. Even Buchannon admitted he got Gore votes. That is the way it goes I am not claiming those votes should have been counted but the plain fact is NO ONE can deny, it is an INDISPUTABLE FACT, that more people TRIED to vote for Gore that day. Bush got LUCKY it was close enough for his machinations to select him as president.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pmGregor Samsa,
Oh come on, surely you aren’t that naive! Franken wasn’t the winner. His team had to do some really fancy footwork and won some strategic court battles to count illegitimate ballots!
July 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
After all, how do you think Al Franken got the Senate seat?
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It was so close there was an automatic recount then the actually COUNTED EVERY VOTE. A little thing I like to call democracy
July 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pmGregor Samsa,
You do know who was on the Franken team, don’t you? Look into that and get back to me…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pmTim Vaculik Says:
You know what I find incredible. That there are crazy people who think Hugo Chavez is important enough to LIE about. To call him a dictator. I wouldnt vote for him as governor here but that isnt the point is it? He WON THE ELECTION THERE. The people of Venezuala have a right to chose their leader even if you are so insane you compare him to Hitler and tell lies about him. For me to defend someone against lies doesnt mean I want to take long walks in the moonlight with the. For YOU to LIE about them you just have to not like him. See for YOU right and wrong never enter the picture. Just what propaganda do you hear about him and do you like him.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:20 pmEugeneDebs,
You are right, the 2000 election was close, but Al Gore just didn’t have as many votes as Bush. This is simply a fact.
Nothing can change this so it’s pointless to continue to make an issue of it by distorting what really happened. Get over it!
July 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Gregor Samsa,
Oh come on, surely you aren’t that naive! Franken wasn’t the winner. His team had to do some really fancy footwork and won some strategic court battles to count illegitimate ballots!
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Ok now you are just a flat out liar.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Gregor Samsa,
Oh come on, surely you aren’t that naive! Franken wasn’t the winner. His team had to do some really fancy footwork and won some strategic court battles to count illegitimate ballots!
How long did it take to get your head so far up your own ass, timmeh? Did it ever occur to your tiny teeny weensy brain that Franken’s campaign won court battles because they were right? Or is a court only legitimate if it’s in Honduras, deciding against a Leftist? Are the Minnesota courts packed with judges too stupid to follow your brilliant logic?
Are there pixies there in Timmehland?
blah blah blah blah blah blah — try proving something, anything — providence one tiny shred of evidence for any of your claims.
No? I didn’t think so.
Easier to simply avoid the question. You’re so slippery that shoving your head up your butt was probably a snap.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Franken wasn’t the winner. His team had to do some really fancy footwork and won some strategic court battles to count illegitimate ballots!
WTF are you talking about!?
Franken won the original vote count by some 200 votes. The first recount was done due to the small difference, as required by the law.
The State Board of Minnesota certified Franken’s win. There were no “strategic court battles” or “fancy footwork”. Coleman’s contest only confirmed those results.
Seriously, try watching more news and less cartoons…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:23 pmEugeneDebs,
I’m not lying when it comes to Hugo Chavez. He is systematically DISMANTLING all the political and economic freedoms the Venezuelans once had! If you don’t believe me, just ask THEM.
Hugo Chavez is slowly but surely instituting tyranny. To deny this is to simply deny reality!
July 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pmTim Vaculik Says:
You do know who was on the Franken team, don’t you? Look into that and get back to me…
And you do know who is in the Minnesota Supreme Court that confirmed the elections results, don’t you?
Why don’t you look it up and get back to me…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pmTim Vaculik Says:
You are right, the 2000 election was close, but Al Gore just didn’t have as many votes as Bush. This is simply a fact.
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No that is a simple LIE that you were told to beleive and are regurgitating like the good cell of the Limborg you are.
Nothing can change this so it’s pointless to continue to make an issue of it by distorting what really happened. Get over it!
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I distored NOTHING. Unlike YOU who is either a flat out liar or simply knows nothing about what you are talking about. You are BRAINWASHED. get over THAT. He became president leagally. Fine. I didnt call it a coup or him Hitler. You are a LIAR telling me he got more votes in Florida. The ONLY way he would have gotten more votes is if valid votes were NOT counted specifically if overvotes were excluded. You REALLY never have any dim idea what you are talking about. Do you even KNOW how uninformed you are?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:25 pmAnd I suppose there wasn’t any systematic voter fraud in the last presidential election ala ACORN either, hmmmmm?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Yes you are LYING about Chavez. He has put every change he wanted up for a popular vote. Legally. He abides by votes he loses. You just dont LIKE democracy unless you approve of the outcome. As for reality you wouldnt know it if it jumped up and bit your nutsack. To you reality is what the Limborg TELL you to believe.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pmEugeneDebs,
It’s really VERY simple. The certified results of the 200 election in Florida had MORE votes for Bush. That’s why he was declared the winner! Well, do ‘oh.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pmTim Vaculik Babbles:
And I suppose there wasn’t any systematic voter fraud in the last presidential election ala ACORN either, hmmmmm?
Put down the crack pipe, Timmy, put down the crack pipe…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pmTim, there’s nothing that could ever make it worth electing a Republican again. Start by working from this angle.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:30 pmEugeneDebs,
Yeah, right. So I suppose all the UN-Democratic things he has dome don’t count, right.
You are living in an alternate reality if you simply can’t come to grips with what Chavez is actually doing to his country.
It seems that as long as he gets elected anything he does is fine by you.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:30 pmI live in Minnesota, Timmeh, and I took careful notice of the election.
The fact is that Franken led by 265 votes following the first official count. The recount was observed by representatives from both campaigns and streamed live on the net for those, like me, who wanted to watch how the process operated. The recount eliminated more votes than it included. About 600 if I recall. After the recount, Franken led by 312.
Two bipartisan courts rejected Coleman’s claims.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pmGregor Samsa,
Maybe you can enlighten me. Why is ACORN under investigation in 15 states?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pmLittle timmy vaculik, acorn had nothing to do with any votes that were cast, and you know that. To throw a stupid comment like that up here, and then expect people to take what you say seriously is just plain dumb. Grow up and get some balls.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:32 pmTim Vaculik Says:
And I suppose there wasn’t any systematic voter fraud in the last presidential election ala ACORN either, hmmmmm?
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OH MY GOD. There really ARE people brainwashed enough to buy into this ACORN idiocy. NO there was not one bit of voter fraud by ACORN. There was registrtion fraud that ACORN brought to the attention of the state voter boards as required by law. Fraud against ACORN as people made up registrars to get their money. ACORN was not shown to have comitted ANY fraud unlike the REPUBLICAN voter registration company in California that plead GUILTY to registration fraud. Cough up a SINGLE instance of fraud at the actual ballot box that ACORN is even ACCUSED of by any legal entity.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:32 pmpete Says:
Two bipartisan courts rejected Coleman’s claims.
Timmy will now claim Republicans in those courts were actually body doubles, or something equally insane.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:33 pmWow. Timmeh is getting beaten and bloodied, he’s begging his corner man to cut him so the swelling above his eye doesn’t blind him, but he’s still out there swinging wildly.
Apparently, Timmeh thinks that the Minnesota Election Board and multiple levels of Minnesota courts were in the tank for Al Franken.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:33 pmEugeneDebs,
Hugo Chavez is a Marxist, pure and simple.
Simply not true. All you have to do is pick up the paper and read.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:34 pmTim Vaculik Says:
And I suppose there wasn’t any systematic voter fraud in the last presidential election ala ACORN either, hmmmmm?
Nope. There wasn’t any voter fraud by ACORN. All twelve indictments were cases of employees defrauding ACORN and they turned them in themselves. ACORN, as an entity, hasn’t been charged with anything.
BTW. All the allegations are of voter registration fraud and no one has been charged with a fraudulent vote. You’re really setting a new mark for dishonesty and stupidity here, Timmeh.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:34 pmTim Vaculik Babbles:
Maybe you can enlighten me. Why is ACORN under investigation in 15 states?
I don’t know -why don’t you tell me?
More importantly, you still need to provide evidence of the “systematic” voter fraud in the 2008 presidential elections…
July 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pmWhich paper would that be timmy? Give us some names and facts please.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Chavez has put his changes UP FOR POPULAR VOTE. So more like NOTHING like Chavez.
Whenever I look into right-wing claims and find them all false where Chavez is concerned, I start to wonder why they hate him so much. I mean, we tried to assassinate the guy. We financed a recall vote attempt on him. What does America have against him? So he’s a populist, so he does the “champion of the poor” thing. Heck, Sweden has more socialism than Venezuela and we aren’t shaking our fists at them. So what could it be?
I can only come up with one thing: he seized their oil and gas assets and nationalized them.
So all of this “we hate Chavez” stuff is just because Chevron, Shell and Exxon hate Chavez.
Pfft.
At least with Morales in Bolivia there’s the whole coca/cocaine thing to be mad about, but he doesn’t seem to get our goat nearly as much.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
After all, how do you think Al Franken got the Senate seat?
There was exactly one recount. The Secretary of State had done his job, so the ballots were available. The recount was done with representatives of both sides, and they were both given opportunity to challenge ballots. In fact, you could see scans of the ballots online while they were doing it.
Recounts aren’t magical time warps where everything changes around mysteriously for no reason. You go through the ballots and look at them and count them. It’s real simple.
There is, in the final analysis, only one such thing as truth, no matter how much Republicans would prefer otherwise.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
true. It wasn’t a coup.
Honduras was a coup. The military kicked out the President. That’s a coup. I don’t care whether you like it or not, words have meanings and facts don’t change just to make you happy.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
Wow, this is really amazing to me. Here I sit at a keyboard in America arguing with apologists for Hugo Chavez… with my own countrymen?
For a long time I sat back and waited to find out just what Chavez was doing wrong to make us hate him so much. Still got nothing. What did he do? What’s the horrible thing he did? Just tell me and maybe I might agree with you. But it’s been many years now, and I’ve still heard nothing.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
Oh come on, surely you aren’t that naive! Franken wasn’t the winner. His team had to do some really fancy footwork and won some strategic court battles to count illegitimate ballots!
What illegitimate ballots? Coleman was given ample opportunity in two court trials to demonstrate how any ballots were illegitimate, and he could not do so.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pmEugeneDebs,
Actually, ACORN engaged in systematic voter fraud. This will eventually come out unless supressed by their old friend and former mentor.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:35 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Yeah, right. So I suppose all the UN-Democratic things he has dome don’t count, right.
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UN-democratic. I suppose you mean the temporary suspension of the license to broadcast to the media that were assocated with the COUP against him? Other than that I dont know of any. Tell me what YOU would say if Bush had temporarily suspended the license of MSNBC if they had been implicated in a COUP against him.
You are living in an alternate reality if you simply can’t come to grips with what Chavez is actually doing to his country.
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As long as he is legally and democratically allowing the Venezualans to make the decisions I dont care what decisions they make. If they are bad its their problem. The thing is you only BELIEVE in democracy as long as you agree with the outcome
July 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pmOne could make the exact same statement about the Franken-Coleman race.
Except there’s a key difference: the Frank-Coleman race saw its mandated statewide recount completed.
The Gore-Bush race saw the SCOTUS abort the mandated statewide recount in Florida.
Yet Timmeh sees the one with the completed recount as illegitimate, and the aborted recount as the Will of the People.
Up is Down. War is Peace. Winners quit and quitters complete their terms.
‘Tis a curious thing, the right-wing authoritarian mind.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pmWow. A REPUBLICAN voter registration company in California plead GUILTY to registration fraud did they?
That’s news. Not that they are guilty, but that they actually admitted it. Republicans are not usually capable of admitting to their many “mistakes”.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pmI’m off to bring some sanity to another thread, or perhaps another blog, heh heh.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pmTim Vaculik Jabbers:
Actually, ACORN engaged in systematic voter fraud.
Evidence, links, please?
This will eventually come out unless supressed by their old friend and former mentor.
Ah, right …they are hiding the truth…
And I suppose the moon landing was also a hoax, right Timmy?
July 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pmTim Vaculik Says:
It’s really VERY simple. The certified results of the 200 election in Florida had MORE votes for Bush. That’s why he was declared the winner! Well, do ‘oh.
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Yes Bush managed to legally subvert democracy in Florida in 2000 like I said you only agree with democracy IF you agree with the decision. DOH yourself FASCIST.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pmTimmy, once again you just spew BS like its a fact. Please give us ONE fact or link that has even accused Acorn of voter fraud, just one. Otherwise be a man and just admitt your wrong.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pmTimmeh’s magic feed corn has lost its power.
He used to be able to break out his magic words like “Acorn!” and “Hugo Chavez!” and his RW authoritarian buddies would nod eagerly and agree that Timmeh had made his point.
Timmeh seems confused that his magic feed corn no longer makes falshoods fly.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:41 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Hugo Chavez is a Marxist, pure and simple.
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I believe he is a socialist but so WHAT? He isnt running for mayor of Flagstaff or President of the US. The Venezualans know very WELL what he is and if they want him that is up to THEM. YOU dont want Venezualans to have democracy you want them to do what YOU want.
“He has put every change he wanted up for a popular vote. Legally. ”
Simply not true. All you have to do is pick up the paper and read.
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I read more about foriegn policy than you EVER will. I have shown that here tonight. It is YOU that needs to do some reading.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pmAt RedState, no doubt?
Although I suspect that you couldn’t even bring “sanity” to that outpost of Alternate Reality™.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I’m off to bring some sanity to another thread, or perhaps another blog, heh heh.
Shorter timmeh: Heh, damn, painted myself into 14 corners and have nothing, just like every other time I posted my stupid comments. Better run away like a little baby.
Well, it wasn’t shorter, but it was definitely more accurate.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pmElBruce Says:
I can only come up with one thing: he seized their oil and gas assets and nationalized them.
So all of this “we hate Chavez” stuff is just because Chevron, Shell and Exxon hate Chavez.
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EXACTLY and the propganda parrots just regurgitate what Rush tells them to belive they dont know anything else.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:44 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Actually, ACORN engaged in systematic voter fraud. This will eventually come out unless supressed by their old friend and former mentor.
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No they didnt. Now you are just lying.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:47 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I’m off to bring some sanity to another thread, or perhaps another blog, heh heh.
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You bring nothing but delusional fantasies and what you were TOLD to think to every thread you go to. Then you get spanked like you did here.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pmThe only way Timmeh could bring sanity to a thread, or blog, is by leaving.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pmLuis Chapulin M
Yeah I just read relevant parts of it tonight and there seems to be conflicting things there so that most likely both sides can claim to be acting within its framework. Its pretty complicated then again I am also not a lawyer.
July 7th, 2009 at 10:51 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Actually, ACORN engaged in systematic voter fraud.
What fraud? Where? How? Seriously, I’ll take anything at this point – a freeper link, worldnetdaily, anything. What is it that ACORN did?
While you’re at it, we’re all still patiently waiting for you to prove your claims that ACORN engaged in voter fraud in the 2008 election and you’ve still come up with nothing. If I worked for them, I’d start suing for slander at this point.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:02 pmTim Vaculik, as per #165:
That answer, like a lot of yours, serves generally to answer any question. Interesting. You use a statement like that to get out of a real answer?
The fact is: The votes were never recounted. Here’s one fact you and others have left out, via Greg Palast: Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris STOLE THAT F**KING ELECTION by pushing 100,000 voters with African-American-SOUNDING names off the rolls, illegally, hiring an independent company to do the job, literally the Crime of the Century.
Did Bush win that election by 100,000 votes or more? No? Of course he didn’t. Gore won. Anyone who argues otherwise is a tool of the Republican Party. Any tool of the Republican Party who calls himself a non-partisan is a g*dd*mned f**king liar. You fit the bill.
As you’ve told ME…if you don’t believe me, then Google the results yourself, @sswipe. Or, maybe, you could show ME the ‘proof’ that Obama promised a single payer health care program on the campaign trail, like you CLAIMED, and I’ll show you what I know for a fact. Even trade.
I am not holding my breath.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pmIt shouldn’t even be worthy of note but, I can’t help but be intrigued by the ability of the poor Reichwhiners to flatly deny any fact that doesn’t come from a pre-approved source.
If the human brain was meant to work that way? We would have died out long ago.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:07 pmNicely done, folks!
You debunked every BS talking point from timmeeeh, including the usual “Chavez is a communist dictator” foreword to “Obama is a communist elected through ACORN” tripe.
As for the dumb$hite DeMint,
July 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pmWhy do you hate America? Why do you hate Democracy?
angels81 Says:
Which paper would that be timmy? Give us some names and facts please.
Daddy-O sed:
ha ha
Timmeh? Giving names, facts, links, etc, to support his statements? Really? That’s what you expect?
ha ha
Timmy is a troll. He is having a FINE time rattling our cages. 227+ posts, mostly in response to the ancient argument about Election 2000? He hit the jackpot today.
Thank you, Luis Chapalin, for every one of your posts herein, and every person who intelligently examined the Honduras coup. You can tell the decent, honest people in here just by reading their posts, every time.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pmjohnny dol1ar Says:
Nicely done, folks!
Thanks, johnny. But it’s only Timmeh. Any reasonably bright 3rd grader could slap down his sh!t.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:11 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Luis Chapulin M
Yeah I just read relevant parts of it tonight and there seems to be conflicting things there so that most likely both sides can claim to be acting within its framework. Its pretty complicated then again I am also not a lawyer.
This is a fairly complex situation. Other nations are only chiming in one one side or another (mostly against the coup) for one reason only: Their domestic politics. What the coup SOUNDS like via the news reports.
But it’s shades of gray versus black and white, and nobody looks completely in the right. But I have to conclude that, according to Luis and his translation of the Constitution and other interesting thoughts, the President of Honduras should have been removed from office, but NOT by the military.
Then again…how long to you let a President PRETEND he’s still President, after he’s either 1) been legally removed from office or 2) committed unConstitutional acts that demand his removal? Coups are ugly, but as far as I’ve been able to see, this situation justified it.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:13 pmDaddy-O Says:
Then again…how long to you let a President PRETEND he’s still President, after he’s either 1) been legally removed from office or 2) committed unConstitutional acts that demand his removal?
Somewhere around 7 years? I don’t know much about current Central American politics. I do know that in the past we’ve supported a lot of facist dictators out of fear of communism. We’ve yet to address the root causes of popular support for communism in this hemisphere. That philosophy appeals to the masses who have been enslaved, impoverished, dispossessed, and ill-used by their governments. Serfdom and the ascendency of the Russian land-owner classes led to their revolution. I cherish our constitution, but wonder how long our corporate elite thinks they can enslave us before we grab our pitchforks.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:25 pmIt doesn’t matter whether Honduras suffered a coup or not. The fact is that the election of Al Franken is the result of, arguably, the most carefully scrutinized Senatorial election in U.S. history.
Alas. The Reichwing slime machine is pulling no punches trying to invalidate the lawful election of a U.S. Senator.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:39 pmSenator DeMint can go Cheney himself. He insults the whole great State of Minnesota!
It’s nice to know when Americans want health care reform, our economy is crumbling, unemployment is rising, we are still stuck in two failed wars, more Americans are losing their homes and asshats like Demint are more concerned about poor widdle Norm Coleman losing his senate seat legitimately to Al Franken.
Senator Demint you are a DISGRACE to the Senate, to your state and to this country!
July 8th, 2009 at 12:02 amYour right Pete it was…unlike Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:03 amYour = You’re
July 8th, 2009 at 12:03 amTimmeh argues the way Shatner sings. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GAjK64VZg&feature=related
July 8th, 2009 at 12:06 amFlorida 2000
Ohio 2004
Iran 2009
We will never forget, Tim.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:04 amWould have loved to see Senator Franken take the floor for a rebuttal to Sen. Dewimp.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:15 amGregor Samsa Says:
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Tim BSculik babbles:
Adolph Hitler was elected as well…
So were Reagan, and Bush Jr. (in 2004). And all three were disastrous in their own unique ways.
I’m sorry… what was your point again?
July 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm Recommend (1) | Report Abuse
I know this is well-known by now,but when has he made a point?
He’s so smug, I’m starting to think he’s a reincarnation of b-cup.
Good job tearing him up though, folks.
tony and lido
July 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Remember, Timmeh.
Winners never quit, and quitters never win.
Oh, you quit?
Never mind.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:47 amSo Pus Phlegmball wants a revolution in America. He’s too dumb to realize that we had such a revolution in the fall of 2008 when the Democrats took all the reins as provided by the electorate. I suppose that this revolution will be led by a saber wielding Pus charging into the fray, his Oxycontin tablets at the ready. As the bugle calls for the charge, Pus will be run down from behind by his own troops and left to rot on the battlefield by his zealots as they scurry to find a new leader in Sarah Paleface.
Ye gods!
July 8th, 2009 at 8:47 amI still chuckle when thinking about when Rick Sanchez of CNN asked Jim Demint, “What the hell are you talking about?” a couple of months or so ago. I saw the clip on the Daily Show. Speaking of which, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are on vacation this week. I miss my 4 day a week political comedy.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:09 amThis country, in order to survive as a free democratic republic, has one major task: erase either completely or reduce to the equivalent of an annoying pimple the Republican party along with all those who stand with it in disgustingly nonsensical and vitriolic stupor.
Can someone name one positive Republican accomplishment in the last 100 years? Maybe when Eisenhower managed to flush and effectively banish McCarthy back into the whiskey bottle, but that was one Republican ridding us of another Republican. Teddy Roosevelt brought more to the table than most, but even he basically read the handwriting on the wall, bailed out, and formed his own Bull Moose Party.
Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush-I, Bush-II — who have I missed, and again, can anyone name a single and significantly uplifting accomplishment by anyone on that list?
DeMent(ia) thinks the Honduran coup was a good thing. I remember back in the Nixon years when he and Kissinger masterminded (and assigned the CIA the task of) overthrowing the democratically elected Salvador Allende in Chile (a “leftist”) and installing in his place the truly demented (DeMented?) fascist Augusto Pinochet (a product, I believe I’ve read, of The American School, or whatever it’s currently known as). Pinochet himself was responsible for the tyranny which resulted in untold numbers of murdered innocents and the imposition of years of horror on the Chilean people. But that was, don’t you know, a ‘good thing’ because Allende was a leftist. Can’t have that, points of view other than corporate statism (fascism is another word for it) can’t be allowed to take root. Not even here in the US. ESPECIALLY not here in the US.
As I noted above, we must rid ourselves of ‘that’ philosophy before it’s too late. We’ve made some progress in the last two election cycles but are always in danger of backsliding once again into the black hole of mass ignorance as personified — demanded — by the GOP.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:00 amWOW another elected official that has NO clue about anything. Just one more reason why education in SC needs to be supported.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:56 amSo what else is news. Sen Jim DeMint of South Carolina is a good example of stupid remarks coming from the republicans. Is he advocating a military coup to overthrow the Obama duly elected presidency? It seems that way, doesn’t it?
First, the Governor of South Carolina abandons his post, his Christian morals, his family and high tails it to Argentina to be with his “the love of his life” and now one of his team members in government advocates military takeovers in Latin America. President Obama better be careful. He just might find himself be placed under house arrest by the military, supported by the Supreme Court Justices. Far fetch? With thing the way they are now the republicans, I wouldn’t doubt it.
My advice to South Carolina? Get rid of all your bible schools and replace them with good old fashion American public ones. You sure don’t need any more dumb ass ignorant hillbillies representating your already backward state.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:33 amWith idiots like Jim Demint on board, thanks God Sen Franken has finally reported in.
Insanity rules the GOP!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am