Comments on: Rahm Emanuel Signals White House Is Willing To Compromise On Public Plan http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:56:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: film izle http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5718140 film izle Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:37:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5718140 They have created an alternate reality. He came right out and told Fox News viewers that Fox was lying to them. Film izle <a href="http://www.z9z.org" title="filim seyret" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>film izle</strong></em></a> .online ilm seyretFox went to court in order to be able to legally lie, and call it "news". So, it is no secret to the wingnuts, yet they continue to consume the lies spilling forth from their TV sets and radios. They have created an alternate reality. He came right out and told Fox News viewers that Fox was lying to them. Film izle film izle .online ilm seyretFox went to court in order to be able to legally lie, and call it “news”. So, it is no secret to the wingnuts, yet they continue to consume the lies spilling forth from their TV sets and radios.

]]> By: dan55128 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716754 dan55128 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:12:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716754 Shame on Rahm Emanuel. Make every member of Congress and every member of the Obama administration watch the movie "Sicko". Make dancer-boy watch it twice. Here's the deal: A single-payer, universal healthcare system is the only thing that will get us out of our current healthcare crisis. Anything less is doomed to failure. We can either do the right thing now, or address this problem again when whatever Band-Aid plan our Congress comes up with fails and millions more have either died or gone bankrupt. What do we have to do to convince our elected representatives that they must act in our best interests? Here’s an idea: Deny each and every member of Congress their health coverage until they come up with a plan that covers all of us. Only when that happens will they receive health benefits, and those benefits will be exactly what each of us gets; no more, no less. Will any member of Congress come out publicly and claim that they deserve healthcare benefits any more than any other American? When we hear republicans and conservative democrats decrying the evils of ‘socialized medicine’, the hypocrisy is overwhelming. The fact is we have socialized medicine in America right now. Those health benefits that our elected representatives enjoy are paid for and administered by the government through taxpayer dollars; that’s the dictionary definition of socialized medicine. Representative Tom Price of Georgia tells us that government funded healthcare is, “a right to get in line”. Even if that were true, how would that be any different than what we’re experiencing now? Try to schedule an appointment with a gastroenterologist today and you’ll find that they’re booked out two months. Try making an appointment with a dermatologist and a two month wait will look good. If the insurance company administering your coverage has anything to say about it, you won’t even get the chance to wait in line. I think it appropriate that Tom Price discloses just how much he has accepted in campaign donations from the healthcare industry, (including big Pharma), and its lobbyists. I have relatives in Canada and friends in England who receive health coverage through government run programs. They’ll complain about the system from time to time, but try to take away their government health cards & you’ll have a real fight on your hands. To the person, when they come to the US and get a taste of our healthcare system, they’re astonished at how pathetic it is and how overpriced. They think we’re crazy to have allowed such a system to exist. To those who have been scared by the specter of government coming between us and our physicians, would you rather have an insurance company doing just that? We must remember that through our elected representatives, we are the government! Remember too that the laws governing how corporations are run compels them to act in the best interests of the corporation, not in our best interests. In other words, corporations providing healthcare insurance are legally bound to do what must be done to maximize profits, not to provide us with adequate healthcare. It shouldn’t surprise us that the insurance companies have entire departments set up whose only task is to figure out how to deny their customers coverage. We’re at a unique place right now regarding American healthcare. We have the opportunity to examine the many models of government run healthcare systems and pick and choose the best elements of each for our own. We could build a shining example of a healthcare system that meets the needs of its people for the world to imitate, or instead continue to be its laughing stock. Shame on Rahm Emanuel. Make every member of Congress and every member of the Obama administration watch the movie “Sicko”. Make dancer-boy watch it twice. Here’s the deal: A single-payer, universal healthcare system is the only thing that will get us out of our current healthcare crisis. Anything less is doomed to failure. We can either do the right thing now, or address this problem again when whatever Band-Aid plan our Congress comes up with fails and millions more have either died or gone bankrupt. What do we have to do to convince our elected representatives that they must act in our best interests? Here’s an idea: Deny each and every member of Congress their health coverage until they come up with a plan that covers all of us. Only when that happens will they receive health benefits, and those benefits will be exactly what each of us gets; no more, no less. Will any member of Congress come out publicly and claim that they deserve healthcare benefits any more than any other American?
When we hear republicans and conservative democrats decrying the evils of ‘socialized medicine’, the hypocrisy is overwhelming. The fact is we have socialized medicine in America right now. Those health benefits that our elected representatives enjoy are paid for and administered by the government through taxpayer dollars; that’s the dictionary definition of socialized medicine. Representative Tom Price of Georgia tells us that government funded healthcare is, “a right to get in line”. Even if that were true, how would that be any different than what we’re experiencing now? Try to schedule an appointment with a gastroenterologist today and you’ll find that they’re booked out two months. Try making an appointment with a dermatologist and a two month wait will look good. If the insurance company administering your coverage has anything to say about it, you won’t even get the chance to wait in line. I think it appropriate that Tom Price discloses just how much he has accepted in campaign donations from the healthcare industry, (including big Pharma), and its lobbyists.
I have relatives in Canada and friends in England who receive health coverage through government run programs. They’ll complain about the system from time to time, but try to take away their government health cards & you’ll have a real fight on your hands. To the person, when they come to the US and get a taste of our healthcare system, they’re astonished at how pathetic it is and how overpriced. They think we’re crazy to have allowed such a system to exist. To those who have been scared by the specter of government coming between us and our physicians, would you rather have an insurance company doing just that? We must remember that through our elected representatives, we are the government! Remember too that the laws governing how corporations are run compels them to act in the best interests of the corporation, not in our best interests. In other words, corporations providing healthcare insurance are legally bound to do what must be done to maximize profits, not to provide us with adequate healthcare. It shouldn’t surprise us that the insurance companies have entire departments set up whose only task is to figure out how to deny their customers coverage.
We’re at a unique place right now regarding American healthcare. We have the opportunity to examine the many models of government run healthcare systems and pick and choose the best elements of each for our own. We could build a shining example of a healthcare system that meets the needs of its people for the world to imitate, or instead continue to be its laughing stock.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716389 stateofthedivision Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:02:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716389 Witch1, you are most welcome. Blessings in return... Witch1, you are most welcome. Blessings in return…

]]> By: Rodeskawler http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716341 Rodeskawler Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:41:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716341 Campaign finance and real lobbyist reform or you will get the Emannuel /DLC/Republican health plan. The blogger that said it is not only the Republicans was partially correct. Republicans encompass not only those that admit to being Republican, but those in the Democratic Party that lie to you about what they are. Anyone associated with Slick Willy is a Republican, plain and simple. Anyone that voted for NAFTA (Nancy Pelosi) is a Republican, period. Stop letting the "Democrats" get your hopes up. The only people who will benefit from anything the "Democrats" pass will be the same top 1% that bribes them. Let me repeat. Campaign finance and real lobbyist reform. Campaign finance and real lobbyist reform or you will get the Emannuel /DLC/Republican health plan.

The blogger that said it is not only the Republicans was partially correct.

Republicans encompass not only those that admit to being Republican, but those in the Democratic Party that lie to you about what they are.

Anyone associated with Slick Willy is a Republican, plain and simple. Anyone that voted for NAFTA (Nancy Pelosi) is a Republican, period.

Stop letting the “Democrats” get your hopes up. The only people who will benefit from anything the “Democrats” pass will be the same top 1% that bribes them.

Let me repeat. Campaign finance and real lobbyist reform.

]]> By: Hoodathunktick http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716236 Hoodathunktick Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:44:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716236 It is time for the President to reconsider his choice of Chief of Staff. Unless he agrees with this bozo which would mean he should consider his next job. It is time for the President to reconsider his choice of Chief of Staff. Unless he agrees with this bozo which would mean he should consider his next job.

]]> By: had enough http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716191 had enough Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:10:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716191 BluesChanteuse Says: <em>I have written a simple message to the White House. Failure to insist upon a a public option: This is the straw on the camel's back. IMO, single payer was the way to go. The "Public option" IS the compromise. Cop out on that, and you lose my support. Enough is enough.</em> you have my vote. This will be the straw. Go back to the sand and draw that line Obama.... be firm and stand by 3/4 of the American people. With the mounting disappointments we have already been thru, if we get no support for a public health option and it goes down in flames - <strong>I will never be able to carry the water for Obama again.</strong> BluesChanteuse Says:
I have written a simple message to the White House.

Failure to insist upon a a public option:

This is the straw on the camel’s back.

IMO, single payer was the way to go. The “Public option” IS the compromise. Cop out on that, and you lose my support. Enough is enough.

you have my vote.

This will be the straw.

Go back to the sand and draw that line Obama…. be firm and stand by 3/4 of the American people.

With the mounting disappointments we have already been thru, if we get no support for a public health option and it goes down in flames – I will never be able to carry the water for Obama again.

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716189 pags2 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:10:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716189 Why would the Dems believe that the Republicans would vote for health care reform after the stimulus and bailout bills? The Republicans intend to dictate the terms of the bill and then proceed to vote against it. The Dems need to proceed without them and when the Republicans realize the Dems will draft and pass the bill without their input they will be more amenable to compromise. Why would the Dems believe that the Republicans would vote for health care reform after the stimulus and bailout bills? The Republicans intend to dictate the terms of the bill and then proceed to vote against it. The Dems need to proceed without them and when the Republicans realize the Dems will draft and pass the bill without their input they will be more amenable to compromise.

]]> By: had enough http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716168 had enough Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:58:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716168 I have been tuned in listening about this story since it broke and have only heard one point, weak, that makes any sense. - The dems want as many GOP signed on so if it doesn't work they can say <em>well, you voted for it too</em>. Also, lobbyists are spending 1 million per day to fight a public health care plan. As those invested in insurance, Big Pharma are also invested in media, defense is it too big of a stretch to say the media is going to distract and drag out M Jackson as much as possible? <a href="http://merkley.senate.gov/contact/" rel="nofollow">Sen. Merkley</a> and <a href="http://schumer.senate.gov/" rel="nofollow">Sen. Shumer</a> are both saying the momentum in the senate for a public health plan is growing and they believe the <strong>votes are there for an up and down vote</strong>. I have been tuned in listening about this story since it broke and have only heard one point, weak, that makes any sense.

- The dems want as many GOP signed on so if it doesn’t work they can say well, you voted for it too.

Also, lobbyists are spending 1 million per day to fight a public health care plan. As those invested in insurance, Big Pharma are also invested in media, defense is it too big of a stretch to say the media is going to distract and drag out M Jackson as much as possible?

Sen. Merkley and Sen. Shumer are both saying the momentum in the senate for a public health plan is growing and they believe the votes are there for an up and down vote.

]]> By: Witch1 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716157 Witch1 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:43:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716157 Thank you State for the link's...Blessings Thank you State for the link’s…Blessings

]]> By: BluesChanteuse http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716150 BluesChanteuse Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:39:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716150 I have written a simple message to the White House. <blockquote>Failure to insist upon a a public option: <strong>This is the straw on the camel's back.</strong> IMO, single payer was the way to go. <strong> <em>The "Public option" IS the compromise.</em></strong> Cop out on that, and you lose my support. Enough is enough.</blockquote> I have written a simple message to the White House.

Failure to insist upon a a public option:

This is the straw on the camel’s back.

IMO, single payer was the way to go. The “Public option” IS the compromise. Cop out on that, and you lose my support. Enough is enough.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5716120 stateofthedivision Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:18:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5716120 Did Rahm's brother, the one advising Peter Orzag, advise and consent on this? http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-added-tax-on-table-for-health.html Fortuitous picture choice for Max's bait & switch? http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/06/max-kents-cool-bait-switch-co-op.html Did Rahm’s brother, the one advising Peter Orzag, advise and consent on this?

http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-added-tax-on-table-for-health.html

Fortuitous picture choice for Max’s bait & switch?

http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/06/max-kents-cool-bait-switch-co-op.html

]]> By: JEngdahlJ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715998 JEngdahlJ Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:23:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715998 Co-ops: Setting the important rules So much depends on the rules established to govern a co-op and how they compare to the rules governing other members of the healthcare system. Learn more at http://www.healthcaretownhall.com/?p=1288#more-1288 Co-ops: Setting the important rules

So much depends on the rules established to govern a co-op and how they compare to the rules governing other members of the healthcare system. Learn more at http://www.healthcaretownhall.com/?p=1288#more-1288

]]> By: Witch1 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715851 Witch1 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:12:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715851 Wow, just wow and Thank you one and all for the many good post's....Now for my spin..Do any here remember the fiasco of the medicare bill.? What they left us with is a nightmare of paper work and little to no help with prescription drug benefits that we were made to sign on to or else...Yah! donut hole at the behest of the reich winger's, tom delay, and much ralling by the huge insurance industry AARP...I watched and screamed as a lousy 1400 page bill was passed and on a Friday night tom delay slipped in another 200 pages that were not even noticed on the following Tuesday vote that was passed...At a later hearing John Kerry admitted a staff member had read maybe 40 pages and was calling foul after the fact..Crap..Now we out here in medicare land pay an extra fee per month to another insurance, pharmacy group or else....Jeebos... I will say once again, yes I did vote for Obama, yes I knew he was a right leaning centerest and like all the many others who voted for him I tried to hope he might bring "change" for the better, not more of the same...I'm with exit stage left and many others here, to say I am disappointed is not even close to my feelings.....It's not like we had much choice..Big money and big business sold the Obama brand to the public.Anyone that think's it's not a true statement isn't paying attetion...I was for Kucinich, still am...Few true patriots and constitutionalists are back in DC...Most are merely mouth pieces for big business and or political whores...That includes both sides since they are all so much alike.. By his choices and lack of prosacuting, in fact obstructing the investigations of the past administration and buying into much of bull shit bushs bad deeds make him as liable, as guilty and points to the 2 side's of the same coin cenario..I am trying to be objective here but this administration has made it impossible...I don't see us as better off at all...With the exception that Obama can speek well...He is after all an attorney and do's know better and still doing nothing.. Regarding emanuel, this part make's me ill...His will cost us the best solution to the health care problem...Dr Howard Dean..We are not going to get anything even close to what we need as long as emanuel and others are doing their will at our expense...Insane. Next we come to the war problem's that are sucking the life out of our country...Once again I remind you all, this administration is not going to reign in Israel since our own government is doing the same thing..So on we go with huge amounts of your tax dollers going to support 4 war's and starve, bomb and kill men, women and children.....Agree or disagree, unless you all are willing to get off your butt's and computers and do like we did during Viet Nam there will be no change....Nada, zipp, nothing but more flowery word's while bombs fall and people of the earth die at the hand's of war hawks and war business....Peace, Blessings & Justice. or we have nothing....Please forgive the errors and length... Wow, just wow and Thank you one and all for the many good post’s….Now for my spin..Do any here remember the fiasco of the medicare bill.? What they left us with is a nightmare of paper work and little to no help with prescription drug benefits that we were made to sign on to or else…Yah! donut hole at the behest of the reich winger’s, tom delay, and much ralling by the huge insurance industry AARP…I watched and screamed as a lousy 1400 page bill was passed and on a Friday night tom delay slipped in another 200 pages that were not even noticed on the following Tuesday vote that was passed…At a later hearing John Kerry admitted a staff member had read maybe 40 pages and was calling foul after the fact..Crap..Now we out here in medicare land pay an extra fee per month to another insurance, pharmacy group or else….Jeebos…

I will say once again, yes I did vote for Obama, yes I knew he was a right leaning centerest and like all the many others who voted for him I tried to hope he might bring “change” for the better, not more of the same…I’m with exit stage left and many others here, to say I am disappointed is not even close to my feelings…..It’s not like we had much choice..Big money and big business sold the Obama brand to the public.Anyone that think’s it’s not a true statement isn’t paying attetion…I was for Kucinich, still am…Few true patriots and constitutionalists are back in DC…Most are merely mouth pieces for big business and or political whores…That includes both sides since they are all so much alike..

By his choices and lack of prosacuting, in fact obstructing the investigations of the past administration and buying into much of bull shit bushs bad deeds make him as liable, as guilty and points to the 2 side’s of the same coin cenario..I am trying to be objective here but this administration has made it impossible…I don’t see us as better off at all…With the exception that Obama can speek well…He is after all an attorney and do’s know better and still doing nothing..

Regarding emanuel, this part make’s me ill…His will cost us the best solution to the health care problem…Dr Howard Dean..We are not going to get anything even close to what we need as long as emanuel and others are doing their will at our expense…Insane.

Next we come to the war problem’s that are sucking the life out of our country…Once again I remind you all, this administration is not going to reign in Israel since our own government is doing the same thing..So on we go with huge amounts of your tax dollers going to support 4 war’s and starve, bomb and kill men, women and children…..Agree or disagree, unless you all are willing to get off your butt’s and computers and do like we did during Viet Nam there will be no change….Nada, zipp, nothing but more flowery word’s while bombs fall and people of the earth die at the hand’s of war hawks and war business….Peace, Blessings & Justice. or we have nothing….Please forgive the errors and length…

]]> By: karadagli61 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715846 karadagli61 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:11:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715846 sesli sohbet, sesli chat, seslisohbet, seslichat<a href="http://www.yuregininsesi.com/" rel="nofollow">sesli sohbet</a><a href="http://www.yuregininsesi.com/" rel="nofollow">sesli chat</a> sesli sohbet, sesli chat, seslisohbet, seslichatsesli sohbetsesli chat

]]> By: EdgeOnIt http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715824 EdgeOnIt Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:04:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715824 Apart from the reason that HMO's have been like a bigger family, to many families, and for a long time, it is the doctors, themselves, who should be reigned in; for it seems that when politics has failed to protect people, that job is shifted to doctors-and they may be grossly abusing their powers by overstepping various individual privacy rights, rights to family security and wellness, (various)rights to cultural integrity, our right to enjoy aggregate social institutional benefits, and to our rights to age-old civil morality(?)! Apart from the reason that HMO’s have been like a bigger family, to many families, and for a long time, it is the doctors, themselves, who should be reigned in; for it seems that when politics has failed to protect people, that job is shifted to doctors-and they may be grossly abusing their powers by overstepping various individual privacy rights, rights to family security and wellness, (various)rights to cultural integrity, our right to enjoy aggregate social institutional benefits, and to our rights to age-old civil morality(?)!

]]> By: aview999 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715770 aview999 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:37:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715770 Pressure the Whitehouse by going to 'firedoglake' and telling your Congress member to take the PLEDGE! <a href="http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/publicoption" rel="nofollow">http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/publicoption</a> They need to Take the Pledge to vote against any health care bill that doesn't have a public plan which is: <strong>available nationwide on day one and accountable to Congress and the voters </strong> If they haven't taken the Pledge, CALL THEM!! Pressure the Whitehouse by going to ‘firedoglake’ and telling your Congress member to take the PLEDGE!
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/publicoption
They need to Take the Pledge to vote against any health care bill that doesn’t have a public plan which is:
available nationwide
on day one
and accountable to Congress and the voters
If they haven’t taken the Pledge, CALL THEM!!

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715768 texaslady Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715768 exit stage - You are most welcome - if only I had such power. exit stage – You are most welcome – if only I had such power.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715764 texaslady Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:34:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715764 As one post said, Obama is using Emanuel to see what will fly with the American public. Hopefully the fallout of indignation from citizens will be loud and forceful. As one post said, Obama is using Emanuel to see what will fly with the American public. Hopefully the fallout of indignation from citizens will be loud and forceful.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715750 texaslady Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:24:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715750 I have already given several issues that Obama has changed since being in office for FIVE months. President Obama is much better than Mccain would have been just by judging Mccain's choice of V.P. . My opinion is just that, NO ONE can change Washington in 5 months. Again, why is the bar being held higher for President Obama than slacker bush ? I have already given several issues that Obama has changed since being in office for FIVE months. President Obama is much better than Mccain would have been just by judging Mccain’s choice of V.P. . My opinion is just that, NO ONE can change Washington in 5 months. Again, why is the bar being held higher for President Obama than slacker bush ?

]]> By: Exit Stage Left http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/07/rahm-public-plan-trigger/comment-page-3/#comment-5715709 Exit Stage Left Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:03:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=49536#comment-5715709 Oh yea....thanks you for being the self-appointed, lone barometer of what we on the left should be thinking or posting. Oh yea….thanks you for being the self-appointed, lone barometer of what we on the left should be thinking or posting.

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