The Israel Project: Ending Settlements = ‘Ethnic Cleansing’
The Israel Project: Ending Settlements = ‘Ethnic Cleansing’
Columnist Douglas Bloomfield reports that The Israel Project (TIP) — a Washington- based group that describes itself as “devoted to educating the press and the public about Israel while promoting security, freedom and peace” — advocates accusing those who support removing illegal Israeli settlements of promoting “a kind of ethnic cleansing to move all Jews” from the West Bank.
Bloomfield obtained a copy of TIP’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary, “a manual on how to talk to journalists and opinion molders about the Arab-Israeli conflict.” The manual states:
“The single toughest issue” to defend among Americans generally and American Jews in particular is settlements, says the manual, and “hostility towards them and towards Israeli policy that appears to encourage settlement activity.” [...]
Similarly, TIP says the “best argument” for settlements is this: Since Arabs citizens of Israel “enjoy equal rights,” telling Jews they can’t live in the Palestinian state “is a racist idea.”
As Bloomfield notes, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said recently that Jews who choose to live in the new state of Palestine “will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel.”
Last Thursday, TIP organized a press call with Israeli spokesman Mark Regev, who defended continued building in Israel settlements. Given the numerous Israeli administrative and security measures that function to divest Palestinians of their property and put it into the hands of Israeli settlers, TIP’s use of the term “ethnic cleansing” is patently ridiculous.
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July 8th, 2009 at 8:54 pmIsrael needs to go away.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:58 pmI must say the NERVE of this position is breathtaking. I wonder how many wingnuts will show up to show they have swallowed this idiocy whole?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:05 pmAnd why could one not also hold that the imposing of draconian measures on the Palestinians (which also makes it impossible to have stable employment), driving them off the land, and then building settlements on this land is not also ethnic cleansing ?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pmonce again, we see an israel first special interest group rely on holocaust guilt to justify illegal israeli policies.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pmIsrael needs to be destroyed!
July 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pmno, israel does not “need to be destroyed” however, the policies of that nation must viewed objectively and they need to be held accountable for their policies, not given a free pass.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:15 pmZionists are Nazis Says:
Israel needs to be destroyed!
You’re on the wrong blog, tool. Your fake comments are recognized for what they are.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:16 pmThe Israel Project: Ending Settlements = ‘Ethnic Cleansing’
– - Oy vey. And how did they leave out invoking Hitler in some way?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pm… it just gets more ironical, and ugly…
July 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pmLook, I’m going to stand by this administration and their down-the-middle approach. My commander-in-chief needs all the support he can get. He gave you the privilege of voting for him, so why not appreciate his methods?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pmFck you.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm“Nothing like a Think Tank to mold an image of intellect and compassion out of tyranny and greed.”
George Bush (either one…or both)
July 8th, 2009 at 9:38 pmBut don’t you see? Making them move will be JUST LIKE when Hitler cleansed the Jews from Germany!
July 8th, 2009 at 9:38 pmWhy do liberals hate jews?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pmThe Young Republican Says:
Why do liberals hate jews?
Why do you hate intelligence?
By the way, when are you going to “man up” and join the army?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:45 pmI’m sick of these creepy so-called “think tanks” putting out their crazy upside down backwardisms making people unable to think logically and confusing everything.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
ZAN is an obvious rightwing troll.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:48 pmThe libs hate israel because they always back the muslims.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pmThe Young Republican Says:
The libs hate israel because they always back the muslims.
It only looks that way to racists like you.
When are you going to answer my question about joining the army? I have even offered to give you a going away party.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:53 pmLiberals do not hate Israel. People don’t like injustice. Both Hillary and Obama told Israel to stop the settlements.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pmThe Young Republican Says:
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The libs hate israel because they always back the muslims.
That’s because the Muslims have all the oil and libs are in the pocket of Exxon Mobil Corporation.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:58 pmMr. Cobb Says:
The Young Republican Says:
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The libs hate israel because they always back the muslims.
That’s because the Muslims have all the oil and libs are in the pocket of Exxon Mobil Corporation.
You are getting liberals confused with Republicans
July 8th, 2009 at 10:00 pmC’mon guys. YoungRetard is an ignorant racist peice of garbage troll. Flag him or squash him but treating him as if he were making valid points is worse than useless
July 8th, 2009 at 10:02 pmGTFOOH! Ethnic Cleasing?
Ethnic Cleansing is what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. Dead bodies have to be in play for Ethnic Cleansing, like the dead bodies from your Ethnic Cleasing sanctioned by chimpy just before he got booed out of office.
tip can sit back and try to manipulate Americans’ responses towards their ethnic cleansing practices and their ridiculous lies, it won’t work any longer, we know you are just like chimpy.
tip how is the human shield working for ya?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pmYou mean the jews who gave Barack Obama 75% of their vote?
Oh, I see. You weren’t making a serious point. You were just being an idiot.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pmIsrael, formed in 1948, mainly for displaced European Jews in the aftermath of WWII. In receiving this great gift many Palestinians were they themselves displaced. People that had lived in that area for generations were forced out in favor of giving that land to another people that had, for the most part, never even been there. Has Israel been a gracious recipient of this great gift. Not in my view. They’ve acted like arrogant turds actually.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pmThe Young Republican Says: #15
Why do you grant them carte blanche?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:17 pmOur regular trolls add nothing but distractions to the dialog and I agree with posts above, it just encourages more garbage to respond as if they somehow had a point that was even worth challenging or refuting.
But they are not really the biggest distraction here – there are also those that have appointed themselves the blog gods, using childish insults and taunts against posters that probably agree with the majority here most of the time.
I will take our wingnut trolls over the little social clique any day.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:19 pmConfusious say, feed troll, end up with troll sh!t
July 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pmJoe:
You are the one that is acting like a blog god and your insidious backwash is getting old fast.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:25 pmOf course a post of this type is guaranteed to become a flame war – don’t know what it is, but to even question Israel is considered taboo by many.
Makes no sense to look at as a liberal/conservative or dem/repug issue – simply not true. Who Jewish people largely support is easy to determine (but hey, do it yourself, I am not getting involved).
it took BOTH sides to enable the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal. Most Americans would not be able to identify anything about this story – was shoved down the memory hole. (Note: I endorse nothing on the WIKI link I provided here – just wanted to provide access to one source of background info).
I have never seen a post on this topic here – there are important issues, so I am glad.
But this thread is likely to be one rough ride!
July 8th, 2009 at 10:26 pmmy point exactly, fool!
You make the wingnuts look smart though…
July 8th, 2009 at 10:26 pmI never had a problem with you AJ. However an awful lot of good regular posters you are often in agreement with do. Perhaps the problem isnt theirs. If one person tells you you are a jerk maybe they are projecting if two people tell you maybe its a bad day. When fifteen or so people do maybe its time to look into some anti jerk medicine. I dont see a clique here. I was accepted right away and I am pretty ascerbic. I am the last guy to tell someone else how they should post or what they should say. I am just saying maybe you should look at it as constuctive criticism.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pmI am just waiting for one of the regulars to show up and start proclaiming what a “man” he is and how he will somehow wreak menace and violence across the ethernet.
Cuz he’s such a man, you know…
LOL
But that one’s contributions to the dialog are even smaller than the repug trolls.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pmLetting people that post childish threats and that pretend to be the “big cheese” in an anonymous forum be your “guide” is insanity.
I am just saying that there are many ways to disrupt the thread and it gets encouraged in many ways.
For some reason, there are those that will defend one version all day and feed the other all night!
July 8th, 2009 at 10:30 pmOT, but totally funny. http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/sarah-palin-called-a-family-meeting-and-the-rabbit-lived/
July 8th, 2009 at 10:31 pmAnd creating your own little blog (that virtually no one visits or posts on) because somehow you have annointed yourself the “grand poohba” here?
LOL
Like I said – I would click on the repug troll’s links any day. If I want to read stoooooooooopid stuff, it might as well be from the folks that are largely diametrically opposed to the change I want to see in America.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pmthe palestinians are the only victims of ethnic cleansing in the west bank.
the right and wrong in this issue is very clear when you see that israeli’s are killing 3 times as many palestinians as palestinians are killing israelis.
i think its horribly sad that people who oppose the policies of the israeli government are labeled as anti-semetic.
i am completely against the israeli governments policies towards palestinians and i think the israeli government misrepresents jews in much the same way that the bush administration misrepresented americans
its shameful what goes on over there… israel is consistently violating human rights…. it is an apartheid, no ifs, ands, or buts
July 8th, 2009 at 10:35 pmShut up, joe. You’re even annoying me now.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pmUnfortunately, peace in the middle east will never happen as long as any dialog is reduced to flame wars and baiting.
I am not saying that about this thread – we will see how it ends up (though we also saw how it started).
A rational dialog about Israel is needed, but somehow usually sidetracked.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pmAnnoying you is a pleasure – just think of it as “a gift that keeps on giving”.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:40 pmIt is breathtaking, the German Nazi murdering of Jews ended in 1945, and three years later the Israeli Jews began murdering Palestinians, along with stealing their land and water. The new religionists of Israel are repeating the same crimes of the religionist Germans, although in a slightly different way, but over a much longer time frame: sixty years of anti-Palestinian crimes by the Israelis compared to twelve years of anti-Jew crimes by the German Nazis.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:43 pmResponding to and refuting a troll like dung republican brings them joy – by never addressing anything to him/her/it at all, I hit my mark!
And did it in a way that did not enable said fool to respond to anything I posted with more faux refutation, “reason”, and argument.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:45 pmThere are some interesting on-topic posts hear. If Americans are misinformed or perhaps hostile to a dialog that even implies that Israel is not a “model world citizen”, I would like to know:
1. Why can’t we have a direct, rational, honest dialog about this in the media and much of the bloggosphere?
2. If we currently cannot have that dialog, how do we start to create one?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:48 pmAJ it is interesting there is more dialogue on these issues in ISRAEL than there is here. There are a few active pro palestinian rights and peace movements in Israel and Ha’aretz often takes the IDF to task for over reactions but here the subject is virtually one sided. Any talk about Palestinians being human beings that deserve human rights or Israel complying with the fourth Geneva convention turns into why are you an anti Semite. That last being truly ironic since Palestinians are as Semetic as Israelis
July 8th, 2009 at 10:51 pmYou mean, like posting eleven comments between numbers 29 and 46?
That kind of disruption?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:55 pmOT once again, but TP needs an open thread for the end of the day. This is a must read. http://blog.populistamerica.com/2009/07/a-citizens-answer-to-obama/
July 8th, 2009 at 11:08 pmI’m just never going to understand how a people who have been the victims of ethnic cleansing can morph into the oppressors without the sort of introspection that would allow their conscience to scream WRONG. I also don’t understand why America doesn’t do more to call Israel to task for it.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:21 pmOh, I see: Asking the government of Israel to stop the land grab and remove those illegal settlements is the same thing as ethnic cleansing.
I wonder if The Israel Project ever hired Karl Rove as a consultant.
War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength…
July 8th, 2009 at 11:29 pmWell, how would that make US look? We’ve supplied Israel’s arms from the gitgo and looked the other way while American
July 8th, 2009 at 11:39 pmsettlers pushed Palistinians out of their west bank homes.
OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
I also don’t understand why America doesn’t do more to call Israel to task for it.
Because the US was founded on the same kind of ethnic cleansing that Israel is doing right now in Palestine.
The tactic is the same: Sell land you don’t own for cheap to settlers (or give it away), send the locals to live in
July 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pmreservationsever shrinking portions of what used to be their original homeland, and maintain strict control over who can leave and when, and do not ever, ever allow them to have a viable economy.There is a tad bit of difference between Arabs living in Israel and the settlements located in the West Bank.
The Arabs living in Israel have lived there for centuries. They displaced nobody. No Israeli’s lived in the West Bank area where these settlements have been built so these Israeli’s are displacing Palestinians. That is kind of an important distinction.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:57 pmThe key phrase to me is “Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said recently that Jews who choose to live in the new state of Palestine “will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel.” So that tells me the Jews wil be treated just like the Jews treat the Arab Isrealies now, an ever present military,roadblocks,naval blockades,starvation,death ,famine and the ever present pestilence.I`m just saying.I hope it never comes to this because it will only exacerbate the situation more.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:03 am.
Zionism is a zit on the @ss of humanity.
It’s sole purpose is to OWN the people and their land.
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July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 am.
Dear Israel,
#10 THOU SHALT NOT COVET!!!
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July 9th, 2009 at 1:09 amIt’s interesting how the Jews stopped murdering Palestinian men, women, and children in the Israeli military controlled concentration camps the day that George W. Bush left the White House.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:17 amWhen people stop blaming the “Jews” and start blaming the government of Israel, they will begin to make sense….
… Otherwise, xtian Americans are responsible for the illegal invasion of a sovereign country that posed no imminent threat to America. And was it these same xtian Americans that keep attempting to justify war crimes?
REALLY?
The “Jews”?
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July 9th, 2009 at 2:31 amMax Anax junius -1 says, “When people stop blaming the “Jews” and start blaming the government of Israel, they will begin to make sense.”
It’s interesting how the “Israelis” stopped murdering Palestinian men, women, and children in the “Israeli” military controlled concentration camps the day that George W. Bush left the White House.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:55 amJust for the record, General George Marshall was against the establishment of the state of Israel; Truman didn’t listen.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:19 amIsrael is a cancer on the world.
May the souls of the slain children haunt their dreams.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:36 amAmazing how many wachers on TP don’t have a clue about history. Liberals are one of the biggest reasons the US recognized Israel in the first place. Most of US early support for it came from liberals, including most non-Jewish money. The problems started when they began to act like we did for the first three hundred years or so of our being on this continent (shortly after Jamestown to the 1950’s). We acted exactly the same way towards Native Americans for a lot longer than Israel has towards the Palestinians. Not to condone this behavior, but getting all worked up about it doesn’t help a thing. How about a solution? Northern Ireland is peaceful today, why not the Middle East?
July 9th, 2009 at 7:43 amWaltB@65, You’re right. But Liberals are also the reason we have unions, clean air, womens rights, and racial equality. The Repugs and Conservatives always use ‘Liberal’ as a dirty word. Young people feel differently.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:46 amPalestine has a right to be an independent nation. If the Jewish settlements remain, then they should become part of Palestine and the Israelis that choose to remain in these settlements live under Palestine rule.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:56 amand pay Palenstinian taxes
July 9th, 2009 at 7:59 amThe tactic is the same: Sell land you don’t own for cheap to settlers (or give it away), send the locals to live in reservations
And call yourselves “settlers” like you’re settling the Wild West.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:04 amA few points to the fellow TP readers.
- Jeffy Bovine has admitted to be using the Repiggies Blow Goats moniker.
- The USA DID and continues to make a mistake supporting the fictitious nation of Israel. USA DID not destroy it. If anyone has to make reparations would be Italy, the Romans. 2000 years ago.
- Now, pay attention Zionists and buyble thumpers.
Why would your dog send you morons into exile for hundreds of years so you could come back and claim the woolly land for yourselves?
Furthermore the Zionists morons are grabbing land belonging to others as if the great Jessie performance were to sell a limited number of seats. Only those living on the woolly land are accepted.
Instead of rejecting the f-up performer, the Zionists want to grab more land to wait for the end of the world. It will give them tickets to salvation.
Oh, almost forgot. xtians out number jews, while jews reject Jessie.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:30 amMr. Cobb Says:
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The tactic is the same: Sell land you don’t own for cheap to settlers (or give it away), send the locals to live in reservations
And call yourselves “settlers” like you’re settling the Wild West.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Or call yourselves “liberators” , and illegally invade and occupy a sovereign nation for their oil…..
July 9th, 2009 at 8:32 amGood posts all….Thank you Mr. Evil for the link…Well written letter to President Obama…Dito….
I won’t get into my usual rant this morning, to sick to spend a lot of time here…Let me say those that see the real picture of our administration supplying Israel’s every need for war along with our own is sickening…If our administration and Israel’s do not stop the waring at some point it will come back to bite us all on the ass…Who ever will bring about the justafied retaliation for all these miss deeds will be the winner…War beget’s war and a contium of more of the same..War is big business just like relegion and all it do’s is make the bomb makers and polaticians wealthy while distroying life and the planet…Peace is the only answer…P. B. & J…Demand it…
July 9th, 2009 at 9:13 amIt just baffles me how Israelis (especially their leadership) doesn’t see that they’ve become the hated thing that fueled the sympathy behind the world’s tacit approval to occupy Palestine…
July 9th, 2009 at 9:18 amAs Bloomfield notes, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said recently that Jews who choose to live in the new state of Palestine “will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel.”
Cool. They’ll be forced to wait hours at checkpoints, have their food supply blockaded, etc.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:19 amTurnabout should be fair play.
As I understand it, the British did the same thing in Northern Ireland. Enticed settlers from Scotland (mostly Protestants) to repatriate across the Irish Sea as a means of gaining control over the people which they couldn’t win militarily.
That worked out well, didn’t it?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:33 am‘And why could one not also hold that the imposing of draconian measures on the Palestinians (which also makes it impossible to have stable employment), driving them off the land, and then building settlements on this land is not also ethnic cleansing?’
Because ANYTHING Israel does is justified.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:34 am‘That’s because the Muslims have all the oil and libs are in the pocket of Exxon Mobil Corporation.’
So the Bush administration, which illegally invaded, occupied and destroyed Iraq, a country that didn’t attack the US, nor did it have the means to do so, all because they just happen to have the world’s second largest supply of oil, was a LIBERAL administration?
Thanks for clearing that up.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:40 am#55 & #75, Israeli Arabs are not the same as Palestinians. Israeli Arabs are Arabs that live within Israel proper, not Arabs who live in the occupied territories. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel, they own businesses and have jobs, but they enjoy limited political rights (being barred from forming outright Arab political parties is an example). However, Israeli Arabs do participate in Israeli politics, they simply do it through Jewish or other types of parties.
So my point is, the Israeli Arabs to which Mr. Fayyad refers are not those Arabs stuck at checkpoints in Palestine. He is saying that the Israelis who settle in the new state of Palestine will enjoy rights like the Israeli Arabs enjoy rights.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:42 ampolitication ~ here’s some wikipedia for you
Arab citizens of Israel (also termed Arab Israelis, Israeli Arabs or Palestinian Israelis) [2] is a term that refers to the segment of non-Jewish Israeli citizens of Arab cultural and/or linguistic heritage.[3][4] As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country’s total population. The majority of these identify themselves as Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5] Many have family ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as to Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Israeli Bedouin Arabs tend to identify more as Israelis than other Arab citizens of Israel.[6] The Druze are drafted into the Israel Defense Forces.[7][8]
As of December 2007, survey data shows that a majority (62%) of Arab citizens of Israel would prefer to remain Israeli citizens rather than become citizens of a future Palestinian state.[9][10]. However, more recent surveys show that various factors — including the Second Lebanon War, stalemate in negotiations with Palestinians, failure to implement recommendations of the Or Commission, and closure of the case against Israel Border Police troops who shot dead Israeli Arab protesters in October 2000 — have caused a radicalization in the positions of Israeli Arabs towards the State of Israel, with only 41% of Israeli Arabs willing to recognize the country’s right to exist as a “Jewish and democratic” state (compared to 65.6% in 2003), and only 53.7% believe Israel has a right to exist just as an independent country (compared to 81.1% in 2003).[11].
July 9th, 2009 at 10:18 amRUCeriousMaggot:
Right. My point was that the posts I was responding to talked about Fayyad making Israelis wait at checkpoints and basically live the life of those suffering in the West Bank and Gaza. He’s not saying that. That was my only issue. I was certainly not meaning to imply that Israeli Arabs currently live a great life.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 amthinkcentrist Says:
Luis Chapulin M Says:
IOKIYAJ.
Fck you.
Truth hurts, don’t it?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:01 amMax Anax junius -1 Says:
When people stop blaming the “Jews” and start blaming the government of Israel, they will begin to make sense….
Very good point. However, it’s been my experience in the interwebs that when someone blames the Israel government, their defenders actually revert to defending their Jewish status.
Poster: I think the Israeli government is wrong in this issue.
Defender: OMG why do u heit Jews your a nazi burn in hell OMGWTFBBQ!!!11!one!1!
And Joshua forbid if you are a Jew and you say something critical of the Israeli government, because then you’re a “self-hating Jew”. Case in point.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am#61:
Max Anax junius -1 Says:
When people stop blaming the “Jews” and start blaming the government of Israel, they will begin to make sense….
… Otherwise, xtian Americans are responsible for the illegal invasion of a sovereign country that posed no imminent threat to America. And was it these same xtian Americans that keep attempting to justify war crimes?
REALLY?
The “Jews”?
Amen, Max. It’s like blaming ME for the Iraq Invasion. I’m no more to blame than Al Gore is.
To paraphrase The Who, the Jews are alright. It’s their neocons and religiously insane that are the problem. Israel must live, and it can only live decently if it creates peace, something that just isn’t in Netanyahu’s list of talents.
But in Obama, we just MIGHT have another Jimmy Carter, with enough political capital to twist a few arms here and there. Especially when the Zionist neocons are making such incredible fools of themselves with stories like these.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pmNorthern Ireland, Egypt/Israel, et al…all negotiated and successes under DEMOCRATIC Presidents, Clinton and Carter. Obama knows he has a legacy to fulfill.
Bush’s Road Map to Peace? Don’t make me–and the rest of the world–laugh. He did nothing except talk, and I must say, Bush was the first President to publicly call for a two-state solution, something that was considered the Third Rail of the U.S. Jewish Constituency.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:00 pmThanks
July 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pmhere we go again! the great fallacy of “the jewish race” rears its ugly head. they SO want to be their own race that like republicans, they never let the facts get in their way. to be a RACE you have to be born that way and you can never change it. i am an irish guy and can never convert to japanese. no way, no how. but after a few classes and a couple of thousand bucks, i can convert to judaism. (sounds like a shady online university, doesn’t it?)
whenever you contradict them in person or online, the jews just call you a racist. like that means anything. i always ask them if they are a Sammy Davis Jr kind of jew? or a David Lee Roth kind of jew? just so i can be properly prejudiced. i would hate to be prejudiced against the wrong kind of jew. hate it when that happens.
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