Comments on: Right winger’s argument against a right to health care: ‘Should food be a basic human right?’ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:34:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: MJT http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5724859 MJT Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:54:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5724859 pags2 This has EVERYTHING to do with the free market. The reality is the current system supports large employers ( private or public) and leaves everyone else out to dry .... Wake Up ! pags2

This has EVERYTHING to do with the free market. The reality is the current system supports large employers ( private or public) and leaves everyone else out to dry ….

Wake Up !

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5724849 pags2 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5724849 You need to check what the law is about small businesses. Large companies provide health insurance as a benefit in order to attract and retain employees. This has nothing to do with free market theory. You need to check what the law is about small businesses. Large companies provide health insurance as a benefit in order to attract and retain employees. This has nothing to do with free market theory.

]]> By: MJT http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5724710 MJT Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5724710 So how does this system promote the "Free Market". Your opening line states that it allows "large" companies to purchase at a discounted rate. What about small companies, or self- employed 1 man operations, or individuals who are students or choose to be unemployed. What about the individual who wants to start his own business but has some medical issues and can not get an individual policy ? Again...I will ask you to answer this question: How does the current " Emp[loyer Based" system for funding health insurance promote the free market ? So how does this system promote the “Free Market”.
Your opening line states that it allows “large” companies to purchase at a discounted rate.

What about small companies, or self- employed 1 man operations, or individuals who are students or choose to be unemployed.

What about the individual who wants to start his own business but has some medical issues and can not get an individual policy ?

Again…I will ask you to answer this question:

How does the current ” Emp[loyer Based” system for funding health insurance promote the free market ?

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5724420 pags2 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5724420 The employer based system allows large companies to purchase group health care for all employees at a discounted rate. The employer may not be able to offer health insurance to just executives without running afoul of ERISA. If the employer has to offer all employees then it may not discriminate by offering different types based on employee status. Everyone in the corp. has to be offered all the same benefits. The employer must also treat employees equally when it comes to payment of health care premiums. In the end, a large corporation can get discounts because of the size of the company. If the public option is offered it may be cheaper for the small companies to pay a payroll tax rather than a private health care plan. The employer based system allows large companies to purchase group health care for all employees at a discounted rate. The employer may not be able to offer health insurance to just executives without running afoul of ERISA. If the employer has to offer all employees then it may not discriminate by offering different types based on employee status. Everyone in the corp. has to be offered all the same benefits. The employer must also treat employees equally when it comes to payment of health care premiums. In the end, a large corporation can get discounts because of the size of the company. If the public option is offered it may be cheaper for the small companies to pay a payroll tax rather than a private health care plan.

]]> By: MJT http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5723814 MJT Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:42:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5723814 pags2 The reason I brought up Workers Comp is because I am trying to educate the public that they should NOT expect their employer to provide GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. answer this question: How does the current " Employer Based" system for funding health insurance promote the free market ? pags2
The reason I brought up Workers Comp is because I am trying to educate the public that they should NOT expect their employer to provide GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE.
answer this question:

How does the current ” Employer Based” system for funding health insurance promote the free market ?

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5723749 pags2 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:16:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5723749 You brought up Workers Compensation which is different that regular health insurance. Depending on the size of the company you may not need to have group health for the employees. That is a question of federal and state law. Most employers pick up half of the premiums for group health while the employee pays the other half. Check the appropriate statutes about whether you are required to have group health. If you don't need it then you can drop it, but you run the risk that employees will not stay. You brought up Workers Compensation which is different that regular health insurance. Depending on the size of the company you may not need to have group health for the employees. That is a question of federal and state law. Most employers pick up half of the premiums for group health while the employee pays the other half. Check the appropriate statutes about whether you are required to have group health. If you don’t need it then you can drop it, but you run the risk that employees will not stay.

]]> By: MJT http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5723463 MJT Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:26:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5723463 What question did I just answer ??? I know what Workers Comp is, so why do I have to buy Group Health Insurance ??? FYI...your health insurance Does Not cover on the job injuries or illness caused by work related issues. So, when my employees are OFF the job, why am I covering their health insurance ???....hell...should I also buy their auto insurance ?? Also, I am NOT talking about "self insuring" my Workers Compensation insurance, I am talking about the Group Health Insurance ! My point is not well taken because you obviously are missing the point. Here...I will spell it out for you.... An Employer based system for funding and underwriting group HEALTH INSURANCE is Unfair and discriminates against small employers and individuals. I am not talking about Workers Comp. What question did I just answer ??? I know what Workers Comp is, so why do I have to buy Group Health Insurance ???

FYI…your health insurance Does Not cover on the job injuries or illness caused by work related issues. So, when my employees are OFF the job, why am I covering their health insurance ???….hell…should I also buy their auto insurance ??

Also, I am NOT talking about “self insuring” my Workers Compensation insurance, I am talking about the Group Health Insurance !

My point is not well taken because you obviously are missing the point. Here…I will spell it out for you….

An Employer based system for funding and underwriting group HEALTH INSURANCE is Unfair and discriminates against small employers and individuals. I am not talking about Workers Comp.

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5722711 pags2 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:42:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5722711 I forgot to add that in many states you can self insure on workers compensation claims but you need to put up a bond that is approved by the agency. If you are being told you can't self insure then you should check that out with agency rather than the insurance broker. I forgot to add that in many states you can self insure on workers compensation claims but you need to put up a bond that is approved by the agency. If you are being told you can’t self insure then you should check that out with agency rather than the insurance broker.

]]> By: pags2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5722413 pags2 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:43:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5722413 <em>MJT Says: Please explain to me why, as an employer, I have to purchase health insurance for my employees..after all...I have Workers Compensation which covers them for illness or injury that occurs " within the course & scope of employment. If they engage in high risk activity or have an accident outside of work, why should I be responsible. One claim ruins it for the group...we all pay more...totally unfair when you are unable to " self Insure a portion of the risk.</em> You answered you own question. Workers Compensation is for on the job injuries and not for ordinary health claims. The ordinary health claims are for claims other than Workers Compensation. Your point is not well taken. MJT Says:
Please explain to me why, as an employer, I have to purchase health insurance for my employees..after all…I have Workers Compensation which covers them for illness or injury that occurs ” within the course & scope of employment. If they engage in high risk activity or have an accident outside of work, why should I be responsible. One claim ruins it for the group…we all pay more…totally unfair when you are unable to ” self Insure a portion of the risk.

You answered you own question. Workers Compensation is for on the job injuries and not for ordinary health claims. The ordinary health claims are for claims other than Workers Compensation. Your point is not well taken.

]]> By: MJT http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5722192 MJT Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:05:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5722192 Please explain to me why, as an employer, I have to purchase health insurance for my employees..after all...I have Workers Compensation which covers them for illness or injury that occurs " within the course & scope of employment. If they engage in high risk activity or have an accident outside of work, why should I be responsible. One claim ruins it for the group...we all pay more...totally unfair when you are unable to " self Insure a portion of the risk. For all you idiots who never took a risk and started a company, you have no idea what you are talking about if you support the present " employer based" system. It DOES NOT support the Free Market...it actually kills jobs and future business start ups... A government option would solve many problems that we, the small employers who CREATE 70% of the private sector jobs need. Yes, the private insurance companies can compete...look at the US Post Office....UPS,FEDEX and other carriers COMPETE with them for your package delivery... Get rid of the employer based healthcare system now...level the playing field Please explain to me why, as an employer, I have to purchase health insurance for my employees..after all…I have Workers Compensation which covers them for illness or injury that occurs ” within the course & scope of employment. If they engage in high risk activity or have an accident outside of work, why should I be responsible. One claim ruins it for the group…we all pay more…totally unfair when you are unable to ” self Insure a portion of the risk.
For all you idiots who never took a risk and started a company, you have no idea what you are talking about if you support the present ” employer based” system. It DOES NOT support the Free Market…it actually kills jobs and future business start ups… A government option would solve many problems that we, the small employers who CREATE 70% of the private sector jobs need. Yes, the private insurance companies can compete…look at the US Post Office….UPS,FEDEX and other carriers COMPETE with them for your package delivery…
Get rid of the employer based healthcare system now…level the playing field

]]> By: Kara Jacks http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721347 Kara Jacks Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:56:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721347 I think that we have our new ad for health care reform we could title it "What Conservatives are Really Saying...". I think that we have our new ad for health care reform we could title it “What Conservatives are Really Saying…”.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721288 EugeneDebs Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:56:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721288 Ghost Walker373 Ghost Walker373 Well it is no suprise that not only are you an ignorant piece of garbage and a stupid punkass troll but a racist moron as well. Just STFU. You are too stupid for anything but laughing at. Ghost Walker373 Ghost Walker373

Well it is no suprise that not only are you an ignorant piece of garbage and a stupid punkass troll but a racist moron as well. Just STFU. You are too stupid for anything but laughing at.

]]> By: Bad Eye http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721286 Bad Eye Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:39:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721286 Ya just gotta love it. I went to Townhall.com's web site to send this joker a message, and wouldn't you know it...the page listing her e-mail address "cannot be found." Classic. Ya just gotta love it.

I went to Townhall.com’s web site to send this joker a message, and wouldn’t you know it…the page listing her e-mail address “cannot be found.”

Classic.

]]> By: geauxgirl http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721255 geauxgirl Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:22:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721255 <strong>Jesus and the Loaves and Fishes:</strong> One bright day Jesus took his apostles into the desert to teach them privately. However, as they went the people heard and started to follow them. The sick, the weary of heart, and the curious followed into the desert hoping for miracles or just simply to understand; Jesus welcomed all of them. As the sun began to set in the west, his apostles began to worry. “Lord shouldn’t we send the people away…so they can find food and a place to sleep?” Jesus looked at them and said, “Give them food and let them eat.” "But Lord, we don't have anything to give. There is only a boy who has only five loaves and two fishes, should we go into the town and buy more food? There are five thousand men here, not including the women and children,” they answered. Jesus took the five loaves and the two fishes praying, He blessed the food and asked God to do a miracle. Jesus began to break the food into pieces and gave it to His apostles to give it to the people. All 5,000 people in the crowd sat and ate the meal made from five loaves and two fishes. <strong> Jesus and the Loaves and Fishes, Conservative version, circa 2009:</strong> One bright day Jesus took his apostles into the desert to teach them privately. However, as they went the people heard and started to follow them. The sick, the weary of heart, and the curious followed into the desert hoping for miracles or just simply to understand; Jesus welcomed all of them. As the sun began to set in the west, his apostles began to worry. “Lord shouldn’t we send the people away…so they can find food and a place to sleep?” Jesus looked at them, threw his hands in the air and rolled his eyes as he said, "Should food be a basic human right?" And then after shouting over the others that he'd never had cancer but could still criticize the local health care system, Jesus climbed into his BMW and turned the radio on so he could listen to Rush Limbaugh. Jesus and the Loaves and Fishes:

One bright day Jesus took his apostles into the desert to teach them privately. However, as they went the people heard and started to follow them. The sick, the weary of heart, and the curious followed into the desert hoping for miracles or just simply to understand;

Jesus welcomed all of them.

As the sun began to set in the west, his apostles began to worry. “Lord shouldn’t we send the people away…so they can find food and a place to sleep?”

Jesus looked at them and said, “Give them food and let them eat.”

“But Lord, we don’t have anything to give. There is only a boy who has only five loaves and two fishes, should we go into the town and buy more food? There are five thousand men here, not including the women and children,” they answered.

Jesus took the five loaves and the two fishes praying, He blessed the food and asked God to do a miracle. Jesus began to break the food into pieces and gave it to His apostles to give it to the people. All 5,000 people in the crowd sat and ate the meal made from five loaves and two fishes.


Jesus and the Loaves and Fishes, Conservative version, circa 2009:

One bright day Jesus took his apostles into the desert to teach them privately. However, as they went the people heard and started to follow them. The sick, the weary of heart, and the curious followed into the desert hoping for miracles or just simply to understand;

Jesus welcomed all of them.

As the sun began to set in the west, his apostles began to worry. “Lord shouldn’t we send the people away…so they can find food and a place to sleep?”

Jesus looked at them, threw his hands in the air and rolled his eyes as he said, “Should food be a basic human right?”

And then after shouting over the others that he’d never had cancer but could still criticize the local health care system, Jesus climbed into his BMW and turned the radio on so he could listen to Rush Limbaugh.

]]> By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721193 Lora Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:04:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721193 To Ghost of a Brain, So you sponged off a Canadian boarder, eh? I suggest you first look up the difference between "boarder" and "border." I don't see where a national health plan would make us pay $5 for an aspirin, and you don't seem to have the language skills to explain it to me convincingly. Ghost of a Brain says: Lora---- i have lived off the canadan(SIC) boarder(SIC) and have seen just how good their system is, it is the same system we are heading for. i want no part of it. Yes, our health care is spendy(SIC). but if we are going to reform it let(SIC) make the hospitals stop charging $5 for a blimpin asperin(SIC). The cost of insurance would go down if we could stop the Fraud. All Hail King Resident MowOboma(SIC) To Ghost of a Brain,
So you sponged off a Canadian boarder, eh? I suggest you first look up the difference between “boarder” and “border.” I don’t see where a national health plan would make us pay $5 for an aspirin, and you don’t seem to have the language skills to explain it to me convincingly.

Ghost of a Brain says:
Lora—- i have lived off the canadan(SIC) boarder(SIC) and have seen just how good their system is, it is the same system we are heading for. i want no part of it. Yes, our health care is spendy(SIC). but if we are going to reform it let(SIC) make the hospitals stop charging $5 for a blimpin asperin(SIC). The cost of insurance would go down if we could stop the Fraud.

All Hail King Resident MowOboma(SIC)

]]> By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721049 Lora Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:17:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721049 I have lived in a country that has a public health care option. The patient chooses which doctor/hospital he/she wants to visit, but the national health plan covers most of the bill, Ghost of a Brain. Ghost Walker373 Says: while we are at it why don't we make maditory(SIC) that they tell us where to buy our socks and shoes, and what make of car we can drive and what fuel station we can fuel at, hhow(SIC) many times we can eat out and where can do it at------All Hail King Resident MowOboma(SIC) I have lived in a country that has a public health care option. The patient chooses which doctor/hospital he/she wants to visit, but the national health plan covers most of the bill, Ghost of a Brain.

Ghost Walker373 Says:
while we are at it why don’t we make maditory(SIC) that they tell us where to buy our socks and shoes, and what make of car we can drive and what fuel station we can fuel at,
hhow(SIC) many times we can eat out and where can do it at——All Hail King Resident MowOboma(SIC)

]]> By: JellyKelly http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5721004 JellyKelly Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:44:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5721004 Whatever, Ghost Walker. Don't make the FACT that Americans don't want American products about Obama. Whatever, Ghost Walker. Don’t make the FACT that Americans don’t want American products about Obama.

]]> By: JellyKelly http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5720642 JellyKelly Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:57:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5720642 Somewhere the baby Jesus is WEEPING! I can't believe such a notion would be considered, let alone spoken out loud. There is an endless supply of hot, cumb dunts espousing GOP talking points. They're like ants!! Somewhere the baby Jesus is WEEPING!

I can’t believe such a notion would be considered, let alone spoken out loud.
There is an endless supply of hot, cumb dunts espousing GOP talking points. They’re like ants!!

]]> By: Foxtrottango2 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5720525 Foxtrottango2 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:02:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5720525 "Should food be a basic human right?" What kind of stupid question was that? Only by a brain-dead-nearing-insanity-right-wing conservative Christian can anyone expects a question like that. What's wrong with these women? Is everyone of them trying to be a Sarah Palin? Do they feel there is money in being stupid, making stupid remarks, and speak in tongues? The Republicans has a real problem here, folks. They are now on notice as being the most stupid of near-humans in America. Half of their brains didn't make it to completion. What's Bandas next questions? Should stupidity be a basic human right? Is ignorance and arrogance a basic human right? Perhaps being born a stupid female a basic human right. Wow, and no wonder why many republican menfolks feel women are totally stupid. This woman send their species back to an era of being dumb, barefoot and pregnant. But than again, only in the Republican party, folks. Not so with the women in the Democratic party in which one of them have more brains than the entire GOP of menfolks! “Should food be a basic human right?” What kind of stupid question was that? Only by a brain-dead-nearing-insanity-right-wing conservative Christian can anyone expects a question like that. What’s wrong with these women? Is everyone of them trying to be a Sarah Palin? Do they feel there is money in being stupid, making stupid remarks, and speak in tongues?

The Republicans has a real problem here, folks. They are now on notice as being the most stupid of near-humans in America. Half of their brains didn’t make it to completion.

What’s Bandas next questions? Should stupidity be a basic human right? Is ignorance and arrogance a basic human right? Perhaps being born a stupid female a basic human right.

Wow, and no wonder why many republican menfolks feel women are totally stupid. This woman send their species back to an era of being dumb, barefoot and pregnant. But than again, only in the Republican party, folks. Not so with the women in the Democratic party in which one of them have more brains than the entire GOP of menfolks!

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/food-human-right/comment-page-5/#comment-5720492 EugeneDebs Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:53:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=50091#comment-5720492 Tim Vaculik Says: Tim I am in awe of how stupid you are. You say if there IS a right to sustenance then that means there can be no taxation, which would mean NO government and we would have a lawless might makes right society. You are so ignorant. I know you are just itching to re-enact the Lord of the Flies but the DECENT people in this society think the weak ought NOT to be predated on by the powerful. The DECENT people think it would be a good thing to take care of those who need help as we can. The soulless weasels among us pretty much act like you. Tim Vaculik Says:

Tim I am in awe of how stupid you are. You say if there IS a right to sustenance then that means there can be no taxation, which would mean NO government and we would have a lawless might makes right society. You are so ignorant. I know you are just itching to re-enact the Lord of the Flies but the DECENT people in this society think the weak ought NOT to be predated on by the powerful. The DECENT people think it would be a good thing to take care of those who need help as we can. The soulless weasels among us pretty much act like you.

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