The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports today on the “atmosphere of permanent crisis” surrounding the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. According to the report, a handful of Netanyahu’s top aides “dislike each other: They are constantly badmouthing each other and blaming each other for leaks.” One aide even revealed that Netanyahu attacked President Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and senior advisor David Axelrod as “self-hating Jews”:
Netanyahu appears to be suffering from confusion and paranoia. He is convinced that the media are after him, that his aides are leaking information against him and that the American administration wants him out of office. Two months after his visit to Washington, he is still finding it difficult to communicat[e] normally with the White House. To appreciate the depth of his paranoia, it is enough to hear how he refers to Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod, Obama’s senior aides: as “self-hating Jews.”
An aide also said that Netanyahu thought that his recent speech tacitly endorsing a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict (an endorsement that came with enormous caveats) “would become mandatory reading at schools in the United States, and when he realized that Obama gave no such order, he went back to being frustrated.” Matt Yglesias notes that Emanuel, who has taken a leading role in the Obama administration in pushing the two-state solution, has frustrated many in the right-wing American Jewish community for being too “tough” on the Israelis.
So kissing his butt isn’t enough? Does he demand skull?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:47 amWow, Netanyahu is sounding more and more like Nixon…..
July 9th, 2009 at 9:47 amAn aide also said that Netanyahu thought that his recent speech tacitly endorsing a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict (an endorsement that came with enormous caveats) “would become mandatory reading at schools in the United States, and when he realized that Obama gave no such order, he went back to being frustrated.”
Why in the hell would a useless speech about a two-state (non)solution be given any attention whatsoever , much less mandatory reading for anyone ?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:50 amThis just shows that the disease of conservatism is the same regardless of country, or political affiliation. And it’s founded not only in hate for others, but hate for self, which then gets projected on everyone else.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:53 amIsrael is finding itself increasingly isolated by its heavy handed approach to dealing with Palestinian soverignty, which is especially galling in the face of the Obama administrations’ refusal to grant Israel carte blanche, particularly with respect to the illegal settlement issue, among others, which is destroying Israel’s credibility when it comes to the peace process.
Perhaps Bibi should talk to former officials from South Africa about when they realized continuing policies which are seen as abhorrent by the rest of the world convinced them that such policies were counter productive to their survival as political entities.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:53 amYou stay classy, Bibi!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:54 amAnd this is news? “Self-hating Jew” has been the standard knock against any Jews who question the Israeli government’s actions pretty much as long as that country has been in existence.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:56 amI doubt that there is any equitable solution to the Israel/Palestine situation so long as Bibi is in office.
The problem is the same one that plagues the neo-cons — an inability to distinguish the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.
As it is, Bibi is a Zionist. He and his supporters will perpetuate and deepen the divisions in the Middle East to the point of their own extinction eventually. Let’s just hope that he doesn’t take down the state of Israel in the process.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:58 amraynman, I agree.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:58 amNetanyahu is an agressive personality, with a tendency toward unreasonableness and belligerence — not unlike a person suffering from paranoia.
The US is largely responsible for the Israeli government’s recent pigheaded and arrogant behavior ; past administrations have coddled Israel so much , they now view themselves as being able to demand and get whatever they wish , as spoiled children often do.
They’re acting kinda’ like Bush & Co ………
July 9th, 2009 at 9:58 amBush “You’re either with us or against us” redux.
Do you really want to go down that road with the U.S., Bibi?
PEACE
July 9th, 2009 at 9:58 amAh, the demon’s emerge under the pressures of absolute power. And this one is America’s best friend and has his finger on the trigger of nuclear weapons.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:01 amMessiah complex, anyone?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:06 amIsrael has a right to do what they want without the US approval or support. Now the agreement in 1946 with the UN when Israel settled on Palestine land has been broken. Israel has the Nukes to defend or attack who ever they want. Yes over the many many years Israel has gotten Americans put in place to pay for all their needs and get the all the land of Palestine. One problem the World is now Global and not led by the United States. Listening to the Leaders of Israel who are demanding all, while the Israel people want peace. Sounds alot like the US during the Bush 8 year crime wave. It’s all up to the Israel people to gain peace as their leaders end up resigning in corruption and rape.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:06 amNo doubt Netanyahu is not likable etc. …, but Haaretz and TP write “An aide also said that Netanyahu thought that his recent speech tacitly endorsing a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict (an endorsement that came with enormous caveats) “would become mandatory reading at schools in the United States, and when he realized that Obama gave no such order, he went back to being frustrated.”” – It is a bridge too far.
Netanyahu is not stupid, and his civics classes in High School in Philly – from which he graduated – made it absolutely clear that US Presidents have absolutely no such power, neither do Israeli PMs. Talk about the real racist nebbisha comment here and that is it.
We “self-haters” as Gary in #7 says are used to this, but the “stupid-paranoid-victim-tantrum Jew” stereotype is just as repulsive.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:10 amOye what a tookus
July 9th, 2009 at 10:12 amFrankly, our own administration is not doing enough to reign in Israel and them selves…Stopping all funds for war;s here and refusing to support Israel’s madness is the only way to end the genocides…We are the model of war and support their miserable way’s..Nothing has been done to eliminate the horror they or we have caused…..Stop the funding, bring all the troop’s home….Peace….Blessings & justice…
July 9th, 2009 at 10:14 amexcuse my Yiddish
July 9th, 2009 at 10:15 amNetanyahu is behaving like a bully. He needs to do the right thing and stop the settlements! I do hope that the US stops getting involved in Israel’s affairs and quits sending them money. Cut the apron strings Obama!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:15 amIt’s the neocons filling Bibi’s head with doomsday scenarios. Because what the world needs now is more war, war, war!
PEACE
July 9th, 2009 at 10:19 amI do believe Israelis want peace.
I also believe the ‘Holocaust Syndrome’ is wearing thin on non-Jews globally.
Just think, with all the resources, history and smart people in Israel, what the Jewish Nation could bring to the table in global efforts to preserve our Planet.
Humans have a long way to go in our evolution…let’s hope we can find some common ground before some idiot pulls the trigger on a nuke.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:19 amhenryedward Says:
We “self-haters” as Gary in #7 says are used to this, but the “stupid-paranoid-victim-tantrum Jew” stereotype is just as repulsive.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am
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And who are you blaming for that, exactly? Netanyahu for throwing the tantrum, the associate for talking about it off the record, or Ha’aretz for reporting on it?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 amI know its not popular to say in here sometimes, but until we get these people to realize that their whole problem is their religious zealotry, it doesn’t matter one bit what we do.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am“atmosphere of permanent crisis”
welcome to BushCoII, israel…
we’ve been there… surprised you fell for it too…
July 9th, 2009 at 10:27 amtry again…
BushCo II
July 9th, 2009 at 10:28 amMr.Bungle Says:
I know its not popular to say in here sometimes, but until we get these people to realize that their whole problem is their religious zealotry, it doesn’t matter one bit what we do.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
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I still firmly believe that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with natural resources. It’s about water, it’s about arable land, and it’s about a strategic high ground. Religion is just a veneer that obscures the real issues.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:28 amTP – you should use the SAME FONT in the comment window
July 9th, 2009 at 10:29 amas you do on the page… possible?
Mr.Bungle Says:
I know its not popular to say in here sometimes, but until we get these people to realize that their whole problem is their religious zealotry, it doesn’t matter one bit what we do.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:31 amoh so true
It’s getting heavy in here.
Would Israeli nukes now be known as ‘Bibi guns’?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 amOne of the most pernicious ideas is that the fate of Jews generally and the fate of Israel are inextricably linked. Netanyahu reveals with his remarks (and his actions) that he is relying on shallow religious arguments to drive his policies rather than seeking a genuine solution to the conflict. It is easier to disregard compromise when you claim the mantle of a holy warrior.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 amchiroptera toasterhead
I would agree except for the fact that when you talk to Isrealis, they will tell you to a person that they simply belong their. It sis THEIR land. Where do you think that attitude comes from?
In many situations we could say its more politics than it is religion (this situation certainly isn’t politics free) but to ignore the religious aspect of the issue, is to miss the core.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:38 amchiroptera toasterhead Says:
Mr.Bungle Says:
I know its not popular to say in here sometimes, but until we get these people to realize that their whole problem is their religious zealotry, it doesn’t matter one bit what we do.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
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I still firmly believe that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with natural resources. It’s about water, it’s about arable land, and it’s about a strategic high ground. Religion is just a veneer that obscures the real issues.
Yes but the religious zealotry gets in the way of negotiating.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:43 amIt’s easy to keep fighting when they are “The Others” and we know the ultimate truth in our one true religion. If both side take that point of view you will have conflict for years. Maybe a few thousand.
Prod says:
We you can all continue bashing israel.
Complete sentences be damned, I’m Proud of my homeschooling!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am*
http://jstreet.org/
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bookmark it.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:47 amLife is more nuanced then that Proud. Try reading about our american history for starters.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:47 amre: 22
chiroptera toasterhead Says:
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And who are you blaming for that, exactly? Netanyahu for throwing the tantrum, the associate for talking about it off the record, or Ha’aretz for reporting on it?
Haaretz (and TP for the reprint). An unnamed associate spouting patent bullshit on its’ face. We are not talking about a leader that has no understanding of the US, for hell’s sake Netanyahu lived and worked here for how many years, and has had family through the whole country for generations. It is an unattributed statement made to make him look stupid and also plays the stereotype card noted above.
If this were 1978, and a report from an unnamed associate of a rural mayor in Guinea-Bissau tipping us regarding the mayor’s tantrum over required reading in US schools it would barely be believable. You would recognize it as bullshit and racist, but maybe believeable. “Ignorant, backward pygmies in darkest Africa, don’t understand the big city.”
Here, it is bullshit, plain and simple. Unless you believe “ignorant, backward Jews, don’t understand the big city.”
A critical eye would be good to develop. Netanyahu is a putz, some would say an evil putz, but he is not stupid; and, trying to make that part of the argument seems like bad High School debate.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:48 amAnother straw man, standing Proud.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:48 amProud, Please I think there may have been an actul intelligent discussion going on.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 amAmerican governments have pandered to Israel too long as it is. Let them handle their own problems and leave America out of it.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 amWhen you deal in Aparteid there is no need to be suckling on Uncle Saam’s silver spoon. America must demand Bennie follow orders or have him arrested like Sadamn.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 amMr.Bungle Says:
I would agree except for the fact that when you talk to Isrealis, they will tell you to a person that they simply belong their. It sis THEIR land. Where do you think that attitude comes from?
In many situations we could say its more politics than it is religion (this situation certainly isn’t politics free) but to ignore the religious aspect of the issue, is to miss the core.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am
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Good point. I don’t believe that religion has nothing to do with it – there are certainly small groups of extremely vocal zealots on both sides whose motivation is religion. And rightly so – Jerusalem/al-Quds is a very significant place for the three Abrahamic religions.
But I also think a lot of the religious talk is hyped up out of proportion to create an us-v-them mindset, when the real underlying issues are economic and resource ones.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:52 amHahahahahahahahaha
Everyone click on to this link and peer into the mind of Netanyahu through his brethren in the US lol.
http://www.JewsAgainstObama.com/
July 9th, 2009 at 10:54 amHi Proud:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:55 amAre youmaking stupid generalizations again? It’s okay people across the continuum tend to do that. It helps to solidify their opinions as if they are facts…
If we were looking to have “the liberal mindset” summarized accurately, I don’t really think Prod would be the one to accomplish that task.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:57 amNetanyahu is spot on boys and girls.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:02 amEverything starts at the beginning and this conflict started in 1946 after Jewish people had no place to settle. Yes many Jews ran from Hitler to countries all over the World. But many countries said they couldn’t admit anymore Jews so the United Nations stepped in. United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine
July 9th, 2009 at 11:05 amas agreed. But like any Country in time Israel wanted more. As America built to be a World Leader and Jews became part of the Government and insiders things changed. Now we have Israel using the Bible to say it is God who wants them to have all the land as it was written in the Old Testament. If that works Israel will have control of the World as God created earth. Few remember God and Jesus said they are not of this world, but it works on people who are like sheep.
47:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:06 amHow so guys and dolls?
henryedward Says:
If this were 1978, and a report from an unnamed associate of a rural mayor in Guinea-Bissau tipping us regarding the mayor’s tantrum over required reading in US schools it would barely be believable. You would recognize it as bullshit and racist, but maybe believeable. “Ignorant, backward pygmies in darkest Africa, don’t understand the big city.”
July 9th, 2009 at 10:48 am
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Now that’s quite impossible. “Pygmy” tribes such as the Mbenga and Mbuti are indigenous to Central Africa, not West Africa.
More to the point, I think I would definitely read those negative African stereotypes into the story if I were determined to read those negative African stereotypes into the story. But I could also read it objectively and assume that the mayor of, say, Farim or Catió was genuinely angry about something, or that his associate wanted to make him look foolish. I don’t see backwardness or ignorance or African stereotypes in that – just politicians being politicians.
I think it’s quite possible that you’re reading far too much into Netanyahu’s alleged quote and the alleged associate who allegedly reported it. Or too little. I didn’t get the impression that he literally wanted his speech inserted into the curriculum of all U.S. public school systems. I got the impression that he thought his speech was simply a groundbreaking speech that should’ve gotten more coverage in the U.S. That’s all. No stereotypes involved – just egoes.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:07 amchiroptera toasterhead Says: Religion is just a veneer that obscures the real issues.
As I understand it, it is the religious zealots (the Hassidim and Hashemi are the names I know of) make the difference as to which Party gets into power, every time.
That being the caw, both Parties pander to the Religious fanatics in order to gain a majority, so the Religious agenda ALWAYS dominates what are supposed to be secular politics.
The zealots use what we call the Old testament to justify the re-acquisition of land that their ancient ancestors held only briefly before giving up in the face of more powerful rival kingdoms/empires–And it should be noted, that prior to the Kingdom of Judea, the Tribe of Israel ( that was formerly the Tribe of Jacob)were nomadic, like many in the region.
They abandoned ‘their land’ for Egypt and resettled there until they outstayed there welcome, then wandered back to Palestine and took it over as an invading force (killing all excpet the young girls whom they took as slaves). All this according to their own texts.
The Diaspora was their second abandonment of ‘their land’ and that abandonment lasted for around 1800 years or so.
But according to the zealots they still ‘deserve’ the land and as they breed like rabbits they are creating another justification for land seizure (and also increasing in power as a political force in Israel).
And all the while they depend on the government to serve and protect them, whilst contributing little to the modern more secular population whom they regard as apostate.
Like the most fundamental Muslims, they want to create a pure Theocratic state bounded by the land claims of 2,500 years ago (the fundamentalist Muslims only want to go back about 1400 years).
July 9th, 2009 at 11:07 amAxelrod is Jewish? Who knew? Who cares?
So, I guess real Jews are expansionist war mongers who treasure the subjugation and humiliation of the Palestinian people. Or not!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:07 amAnd if we were looking for salient, insightful commentary on this or any subject, we would not turn to Republicans Blow Goats.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:07 amWho cares?
Very telling, indeed. Almost as telling as ’so what.’
July 9th, 2009 at 11:09 amOk let me summarize the Proud mindset:
Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr – I eat paste. And I wet myself again. I’m a big dumb stupidhead and I’m stupid and dumb. Huurrrrrrrr.
Whaddya think? Accurate?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:10 amit’s about fu(king time somebody got tough with israel and the right-wing jewish american lunatic fringe.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:10 amOnly if it’s an internal monologue.
Oh, hell, I can see Prod saying that out loud. Yeah, I’ll give it to ya.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am54
July 9th, 2009 at 11:12 amTruly insightful..Now are you going to explain #47 or not lads and lasses…
dbadass, do you suppose if a guy were to make a bet that he could take a certain doll on an exotic trip somewhere these days, it would still be Havana?
Or maybe somewhere less “Old SkooL’, say, like Tennessee?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:14 amOk let me summarize the liberal mindset:
Israel – Bad,bad evil country
Palestinians – Little mis-treated angels who would never ever commit any violent acts against the terrible jews.
amendment-hamas=good
July 9th, 2009 at 11:15 amProud Says:
blah blah bleh bleh
I don’t know how you manage to drive around, when you clearly live in a world that’s only black and white.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:16 amOk let me summarize RLF – simpleton.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:18 amLuis Chapulin M Says:
Proud Says:
blah blah bleh bleh
I don’t know how you manage to drive around, when you clearly live in a world that’s only black and white.
Republicans Love Facts Says:
amendment-hamas=good
Ah, and you’ve got passengers as well!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:19 amIt’s not a big deal, Luis, since Prod only drives Hot Wheels™ around a plastic track.
When they crash, he just turns ‘em right side up again and pretends that nothing happened.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:19 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Ok let me summarize the liberal mindset:
Israel – Bad,bad evil country
Palestinians – Little mis-treated angels who would never ever commit any violent acts against the terrible jews.
amendment-hamas=good
July 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am
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You forgot Amendment 2: Israel must be wiped off the map.
Come on, RLF – your trolling skills are getting weaker and weaker.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:22 amWhen you can’t refute resort to ad hominums!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:24 amTo prove he’s for disarmament, Bibi is sponsoring the new, improved…
July 9th, 2009 at 11:25 amForeign
Arms
Reduction
Talks
I trust it’s just tempoary, CTH.
Republicans Love Goats is still recovering from the wild time he and his buddies had at the convention last week in Pittsburgh.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:26 amI’d have to agree, though in fairness they were awfully weak to begin with.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:27 amTroll Says
Change names much? Rhetorical question of course…..
July 9th, 2009 at 11:27 amSomeone not-so-bright once said, “When you can’t refute resort to ad hominums!”
July 9th, 2009 at 11:30 amDid you know the Hebrew word for fascist wingnut troll is schmagegi?
/snark
July 9th, 2009 at 11:32 amJust once. I used Trollspotting Tsetse Fly when Bill O’Reilly did that whole “you people are insects” thing, but went back to Trollspotter after that died down.
How about you?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:32 amThanks for proving my point again.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:33 amNope.
How about you?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:33 amTroll Says
Lie much?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:34 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
When you can’t refute resort to ad hominums!
I don’t think Israel is a bad, bad evil country. There. Refuted. Happy now?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:36 amExactly what makes them self-hating Jews?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:38 amHey stewrjt
July 9th, 2009 at 11:44 amThat’s my question that Republicans Love Facts can’t answer…. Me thinks we got ourselves another disingenuous poser…
It’s not my favorite troll move — that would be calling someone stupid in a post rife with misspellings and grammatical errors — but claiming that someone has “proven my point” without any elaboration ranks right up there on the list.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:44 am… or (more likely) the same disingenuous poser just with a lame rebranding effort.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:45 amYa know ralph, I never get enough of those kooky Tennessee pics… What a tool…
July 9th, 2009 at 11:48 amSo Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod are “self-hating Jews”?
As opposed to Netanyahu, who hates all non-Jews, perhaps?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:01 pmNah, he’s cool with all the Gentiles who give Israel money and support because they think it will hasten the Rapture.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pmWhat ever happened to that Israeli leader (Sharon?)who suffered that massive stroke a few years ago. I haven’t heard a thing about the guys condition in a couple of years now. Is he still hooked up to machines? Did he die? Is he going to suddenly and miraculously re-emerge onto the world scene?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pmMemo to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: Worry about your own self and your own country. The USA has been funding your genocide against the Palestinian people for far too many years. I’m pretty sure “your” citizens and the citizens of Palestine would rather live in peace then living in chaos every single day of their lives.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pmYitzhak Rabin is turning in his grave.
Netanyahu’s rhetoric and actions do a great diservice to the people of Israel (Jew, Arab, and Druze alike)…Labour needs to withdraw from the government and shift power to Kadima (which, since falling from power and Obama taking over here) has given clear indication that they’d move to freeze settlements and work towards a just peace.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pmNetanyahu is a fascist war monger.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pmIt is breathtaking, the German Nazi murdering of Jews ended in 1945, and three years later the Israeli Jews began murdering Palestinians, along with stealing their land and water. The new religionists of Israel are repeating the same crimes of the religionist Germans, although in a slightly different way, but over a much longer time frame: sixty years of anti-Palestinian crimes by the Israelis compared to twelve years of anti-Jew crimes by the German Nazis.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pmOHHHHH, Bibi, maybe the ’self-hating jews’ David and Rahm know that your FAT, UGLY THUMB IS STILL SECRETLY UP for continuation of the settlements. Here’s video of settlers attacking Israeli citizens for filming construction!
http://dclk.haaretz.com/html.ng/site=Haaretz_Eng&pg=article&adsize=160×600
July 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAnd Netanyahu is a self-loving Jew. As in “I can do no wrong, never, ever.”
Poor Bibi. He’ll actually be the one who takes up Begin’s legacy and achieves peace with the Palestinians–maybe, if he doesn’t resign or isn’t ousted. If he does, he’ll forever be stained by the mark of a peacemaker, something anathema to he and his.
After Hussein Obama nearly twists his arm off, I hope.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pmI believe: It was the Jewish military superiority, aided by the U.S. in the Cold War and beyond, that stamped the Arabs and Palestinians so far into the dirt that they felt they had no choice but to become suicide bombers and carry out the terrorism they still do today, in order to save themselves.
Eh. If they really wanted to overcome, they’d follow King and Ghandi. I believe nobody wants to win. They just want to kill and be killed and go to ‘heaven’.
Any Jew who thinks his sand is sacred is insane. Any Palestinian willing to bomb him/herself for some sacred sand is insane. This will only stop the same way it stopped between Egypt and Israel–from the very top, at the Presidential levels of all countries involved.
Jesus wept…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
It is breathtaking, the German Nazi murdering of Jews ended in 1945, and three years later the Israeli Jews began murdering Palestinians, along with stealing their land and water.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
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That’s not exactly accurate – groups like Irgun and Hadassah were already murdering Palestinians in the 1920s and 1930s.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pmThanks
July 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pmThank You..
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