Former Bush ‘domestic policy czar’ Karl Rove now rips czars as a ‘giant expansion of presidential power.’
Former Bush ‘domestic policy czar’ Karl Rove now rips czars as a ‘giant expansion of presidential power.’
Today on Twitter, former Bush White House adviser Karl Rove responded to questions posed by CopyChaser asking “@KarlRove What’s going on with all the czars? Is Obama’s strategy to change the engine of our success as a nation: freedom & capitalism?” and “@KarlRove And do we need both a ‘green’ czar and a ‘climate’ czar?” In response, Rove had this to say:
It is surprising that Rove finds the appointment of czars to be “a giant expansion of presidential power” because he actually served as the “domestic policy czar” in the Bush White House. In fact, President Bush himself appointed numerous czars in order to deal with various public crises and controversies, including a “cybersecurity czar,” “regulatory czar,” “AIDS czar,” “bird-flu czar” and “Katrina czar.” Moreover, Rove’s criticism of Obama is ironic, given his role in an administration that was marked by the expansion of executive power.
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Rove needs stronger glasses on his chubby face. He definitely has a case of Selective Historical Blindness.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 pmWhat’s good for the goose…
July 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pmGovernment Report: Domestic surveillance program relied on flawed analysis
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/10/bush.surveillance/index.html
July 10th, 2009 at 7:06 pmA bird-flu czar? Really?
And since when did the Bush administration do policy?
And since when did Rove do anything that wasn’t politics?
BTW, I think they should just change the term “czar” to “coordinator.” Not to mention “homeland” to “domestic.”
July 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pmHe feels impowered – finally got to stand before congress-critters and thumb his nose at them, probably not under oath, no record of what he said, and the entire affair probably swept under the memory hole.
No wonder he feels a new burst of energy to mock and taunt Obama and the dems.
Its really just his way of saying “naye naye naye, you can’t catch me!”
But the truth is actually, the dems refused to.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pmRepublicans use czars as much as Democrats.
Are these czars checked or balanced?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pmabc isn’t very deep in obamas pocket, are they?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pmIOKKKKYAR
July 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pmGo fcuk yourself, Rove! Better yet, go to jail and you won’t have to do it yourself.
And yet I still close with…
PEACE
July 10th, 2009 at 7:18 pmWhy isn’t this Pillsbury Doughboy in jail?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:20 pmRove is the czar of balderdash. Darned if he can figure out how to get back in power. The czar of concentration camps is his ultimate goal.
The czar title is strange even considering our hybrid republic/democracy. Its unfortunate that Obama continued the with the title.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:21 pmhe’s spent years spinning his own realities, one after the other, discarding one when it was no longer a convenient reality, never letting ACTUAL reality get in the way of his good time…
And what harm did it do him? Congress refuses to hold him accountable. He’s still invited on all the news shows and news networks. Lame-ass Whose Line Is It Anyway alumni rap his praises – WITH HIM! – at black tie events.
Rove is an ass-cancer that thinks he’s Cindy Crawford’s beauty mark. He will never change until he’s forced to be held accountable for his actions. Who has the balls to do that?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pmslappy magoo if the post downstairs about david brook’s sex life has any merits, maybe some unnamed repug congresscritter has all of the balls of the dems in his pocket too.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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abc isn’t very deep in obamas pocket, are they?
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What does this off topic, stupid remark represent? Another silly troll making a foll of themself.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pm.
In the spirit of the top news articles in the MSM of the Century…
Dear Mr. Rove,
Just ease on down the road.
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July 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pmRove’s grip on the bottle has tightened considerably since the night Ohio was lost and that it had to be pointed out to him in front of his fellow fools.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pmWhy is Karl Rove Twittering? He should be in prison.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pmBuckie Boy Says:
Why is Karl Rove Twittering? He should be in prison.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
***
he will be.
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July 10th, 2009 at 7:38 pmBuckie,
July 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pmRove isn’t twittering…
… He’s turding blossoms on twitter.
Republicans Love Facts Says:
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abc isn’t very deep in obamas pocket, are they?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Funny how it’s okay with you that FAUX Comedy Channel is complicit in war crimes though , isn’t it , jackass ?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pmReport: Bush surveillance program extended beyond wiretapping
You mean the same program obama signed on with? Funny, ap forgot that little part…..
July 10th, 2009 at 7:48 pmhe will be.
Is that you, slippery schuster?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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Report: Bush surveillance program extended beyond wiretapping
You mean the same program obama signed on with? Funny, ap forgot that little part…..
July 10th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Funny………I don’t recall anyone here saying it’s okay for Obama to do it , tool…………….
July 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pmI do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:52 pmoh oh – mentioning when obama supports the policies of dur chimpfurher, throwing his core constituents under the bus, are not well received here.
Evidently, some (actually a few persistent posters) it is not considered “progressive” to question why a dem’s “yes we can” rhetoric is not matching his “same ol’ crap” action.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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I do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Name/list them , or stop posting lies , putz……….
July 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pmMcmetal, are you denying that unknown candidate obama proclaimed he would fight FISA reform and immunity and then capitulated to the most unpopular president in US history?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pmShuster: Well, Karl Rove’s legal team has told me that they expect that a decision will come sometime in the next two weeks. And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:55 pmand what about the signing statements?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pmand we have not seen any transparency, as promised, in fact, is using the same cheney/chimpy dodges.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pmAnother Joe Says:
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Mcmetal, are you denying that unknown candidate obama proclaimed he would fight FISA reform and immunity and then capitulated to the most unpopular president in US history?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
What the hell are you babbling about ?
Where did you read that ? Are you retarded ?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm.
Speaking of Elephant turd blossoms in the room…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_svKMzq1L4
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July 10th, 2009 at 8:01 pmIs anybody, besides me, totally fed up with the term “czar”, for every presidental committee appointment? Jeez, that word is SO overused!! Please, please, please find another word.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pmI’m more fed up with the lying little shitbag Republican Loves DogFarts still posting here …………..
July 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pmbill maher (on KO) has an interesting take on obama:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pmWith the depressing economy bush left us I have noticed when out there watching, listening and interacting with the public, many seem to be more irritated with one another rather than the source.
Those from other countries are out there immediately in the streets protesting when a right is taken away or a wrong committed.
Rove and the rest of the killers of the bush crime family are still out there, free and allowed to express opinion to the media.
Where is our outrage?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pmOlbermann said it best: “Reality is one feller Karl never had the pleasure of meeting.”
July 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pmOn Olbermann’s show Monday, maher said it best (and KO wholeheartedly agreed). OBAMA – IF NOT NOW, WHEN!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pmThese “czars” are not an expansion of the president’s powers. However, Rove and the rest of the White House advisers to Bush argued that the president’s powers as commander in chief trumped the Bill of Rights and he could suspend liberties of US citizens for national security reasons. This is part of what John Yoo claimed in the controversial memos. These memos were withdrawn just before Bush left office because he knew that these memos were flawed in their legal reasoning. In fact, the claims of power have been repudiated by various Supreme Court cases on presidential power. The whole foundation for some of Bush’s security plans were based on this flawed reasoning which lead to torture and unlawful detainment of US citizens. Bush, Cheney and a few others should be tried for subverting the Constitution.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pmhad enough,
July 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pmI’m too busy googling for Prejean pictures and watching stars and idols on t.v.
Hasn’t anybody told you that Michael Jackson has died?
I do have to note the counter argument that Bush’s czars weren’t very effective:
Katrina czar – repairs still not completed.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:28 pmBird Flu Czar – the birds are still flying. But the worry over Bird flu has been replaced with Swine Flu.
etc.
Why is Rovian hypocrisy even news?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
abc isn’t very deep in obamas pocket, are they?
Make up your mind, sock. A couple of weeks ago you wingnuts were claiming that ABC was in bed with President Obama.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pmaw… maybe he’s just concerned… he’s warning us…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pmhuh. already at the top of the googlenews page:
Report: Bush surveillance program was massive
The Associated Press – Pamela Hess – ?16 minutes ago?
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal inspectors general reported Friday, …
Report: Effectiveness of Bush wiretap program in dispute MiamiHerald.com
Bush Wiretapping Program Lacked Proper Legal Review Bloomberg
FOXNews – Wall Street Journal – Christian Science Monitor – New York Times
all 459 news articles »
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ncl=dWcXYiZ0_Ko82fMJGM71nwwXc0-yM&topic=h
it’s ok to talk about it now… evidently…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pmIf there’s anyone who knows about giant expansion, it’s doughboy turd blossom as he looks at his ever expanding ass every day.
And let us remember, it was turd blossom and dickhead cheney who did everything in their power to expand puppet w’s presidential power. I have to agree with Olbermann (take your hand out of your pants archie/habib) turd blossom has never met reality.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pmThe only POTUS in the modern era who get to be connected to the phrase “giant expansion of presidential power” is Bill Clinton, and it immediately has to be followed by a nudge-nudge wink-wink, if you get my drift.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pmCzar, in this case, I think is being used to ‘frame’ the minds of people. IE Czars are often related to communism.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe fact of the matter is that Caesar is quite the same as Czar [phonetically speaking]
July 10th, 2009 at 8:52 pmMapleStreet,
July 10th, 2009 at 8:59 pmDon’t forget about the creation of that WMD Czar.
Rove will eventually reveal everything Bush did in this way. He can’t help but project his misdeeds onto the new administration.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:10 pmUh, Czars were basically kings (not communists), and yes the word comes from Caesar, just like the German Kaiser.
Brian Kilmeade might know a thing or two about Russian genes. I’ll bet they’re really pure and don’t marry other species and ethnics.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pmhttp://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/07/08/qotd/index.html
Uh, Czars were basically kings (not communists), and yes the word comes from Caesar, just like the German Kaiser.
I agree, but what I am saying is how that word can be used to frame an issue.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:21 pmLora Says:
Why is Rovian hypocrisy even news?
Because this is an outlet that respects the truth.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pmI don’t want to see any of their bs fly.
To show that a big majority of US citizens aren’t stupid.
To show the world how ignorant teabaggers really are.
To expose their liars.
To show their true colors.
To laugh at them.
To mock them.
To make sure this bs won’t happen again.
Do you need more? :)
Hmm. Methinks that the former Bush Czar protests too much…
Ever so slightly O/T: President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder should stop blocking federal criminal investigations into the actions of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the CIA, which include torture, murder, war crimes, obstruction of justice and lying to Congress.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pmHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who was Katrina’s czar?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:26 pmAnother Joe Says:
On Olbermann’s show Monday, maher said it best (and KO wholeheartedly agreed). OBAMA – IF NOT NOW, WHEN!
Thank God President Obama is on his time and not on a news cycle.
It will come when all the dirty is told. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:31 pmWouldn’t this just be a delegation of authority ?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:37 pmkaty Says:
huh. already at the top of the googlenews page:
Report: Bush surveillance program was massive
The Associated Press – Pamela Hess – ?16 minutes ago?
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal inspectors general reported Friday, …
These things are just some of the things we know about the Bush administration. What we don’t know is more frightening. It stands to reason that Rove and Cheney are on the offensive because the Obama administration keeps stumbling over these skeletons.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:38 pmOT
In a few minutes, at 7pm KGO is going to have it’s KGO all stars event where a number of the KGO talk show hosts debate the issues. These event are so popular tickets always sell out… you can hear it online.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:45 pmBlack is white and war is peace for Rove and his ilk.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:58 pmUntil Rove, Bush and Cheney are rotting in a prison cell, America will remain a nation without the rule of law.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThe most cynical view woukd be that politics is all about power. And power yields money. It becomes an obsessive lust. I am sure this happens to one degree or another across the political spectrum, but Republicans have excelled at win at any cost politics. Truth no longer has any meaning. For example, they manipulate persons of faith hoodwinking them into believing they will do something about their honestly held beliefs. In this these hypocritical Republicans are worse for the religious people in achieving those goals, than if they had done nothing. Take the abortion issue, Republicans have pandered to the religious right on this issue ever since Roe V. Wade, but they have done nothing they claimed they woulddo related to abortion. The right manipulated these people on this issue, never intending to do anything. There are many examples of the right manipulating issues to gain power, gun control is another example. If you think Republicans give a damn about gun control, other than being able to manipulate people for power, you are mistaken. Rove should be recognize as master of this type of political manipulation, he did not invent it, but he perfected it.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:20 pmJeff Gannon was Karl’s Arse Czar.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:27 pmSpeaking of unprecedented power grabs, Obergruppenfuehrer Karl, maybe the Reich can explain this away.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_go_co/us_domestic_surveillance
That’s it. We have stepped into Bizarrio World. Karl Rove complaining about Executive Power? Are hamburgers going to eat people now?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:32 pmReport: Bush surveillance program was massive
July 10th, 2009 at 10:33 pmBy PAMELA HESS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 10, 2009 9:36 PM EDT
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they’re still too secret to reveal.
Mr. Rove,
Perhaps you forget that it was your party that created the first “czar” position in American government.
From the ever-popular Wikipedia (though I’m sure it can be confirmed elsewhere):
July 10th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
It will come when all the dirty is told. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
No it won’t – needs to be using his historic victory and the widespread support he and a more progressive agenda has had to start counteracting the noise machine NOW!
It isn’t just going to suddenly happen in congress, in fact, every time he capitulates to the repugs and blue dogs, he plays into their plans to portray his administration as a FAILURE.
He will get NOTHING from bipartisan efforts and watering down progressive ideas to the point where they no longer create meaingful change just empowers the repugs to say, “SEE, WE TOLD YOU SO!”
The economy may be a problem into the midterm and even an issue in 2012. He needs some successes to point to and not making clear, bold statements now makes this less and less likely.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pmRove knows he can get away with this because:
1. He has not been held accountable for anything yet and the latest dog and pony show of his talking committee must have him believing this is behind him.
2. Obama is actually following chimpy’s path on torture, detainees, signing statements, secrecy, and is even threatening to veto a bill to hold the CIA accountable because it constantly (and admittedly) lies to congress.
3. From what he has seen, he can see that he has a “get out of jail free card” courtesy of the dems and the administration.
I understand why the lying liars lie and why the criminal cabal behind dur chimpfurher loots the federal treasury.
Me and a large number of progressives will not accept and support the DEMS empowering all of this.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:06 pmTo Game of Life,
I understand your feelings, as I am of two minds on this matter. One is like the reasons you give below. The other is the attitude that we already know that Rove will only spout lies and hypocrisy, so why give him all the attention he craves.
Game of Life Says:
Lora Says:
Why is Rovian hypocrisy even news?
Because this is an outlet that respects the truth.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pmI don’t want to see any of their bs fly.
To show that a big majority of US citizens aren’t stupid.
To show the world how ignorant teabaggers really are.
To expose their liars.
To show their true colors.
To laugh at them.
To mock them.
To make sure this bs won’t happen again.
Do you need more? :)
Let’s face it. The longer the Bush Adminstration gets away with the Bullsh*t, the more likely it is NOBODY will do anything about the crimes they commited. How many times in the last four years did I say to myself,”This is it! This is what they will charge him and his henchmen with!” Only to find out nobody is interested. Quite depressing isn’t it.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pmOff Topic Alert:
We’ve just been informed that Bill Moyers, on his show later tonight, will expose for the first time the health insurance industry’s secret campaign against Michael Moore and his film, “Sicko.” It contains a stunning revelation and admission by a top health insurance executive — the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country — that the disinformation and attacks on Michael and the film were extensive and well-planned. Their job was to stop the movie from reaching a wide audience (and, more importantly, from having the widespread political impact the industry feared “Sicko” would have).
Wendell Potter, former Head of Corporate Communications at CIGNA (which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies) admits that, in fact, “Sicko” “hit the nail on the head” and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care.
The show airs tonight at 9:00 PM on PBS. (Check your local listings for exact times. Many areas show it on Saturday night, too.)
July 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pmIf you get this email too late, their website will soon post the full show soon:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers
July 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pmKeith, thanks for the heads-up about the Bill Moyers show. I hope that we can catch a repeat of it (since it’s a tad late for it right now, at least on the east coast.)
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 pmKeith – most of us that read these thread really appreciate links and tips of breaking stories and reports like this.
It is a small group of people that prolifically pound on their little keyboards that scream about off-topic posts. But even then, only when it goes against their opinions.
It is polite, however, to flag it the way you did. There used to me many more tips and links in this thread, which is why I started hanging around here.
Not so many now and often people are flamed for it.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:20 pmIs it just me or has everyone else here come to the realization that our present government is out of control and totally dysfunctional. They serve only one tiny faction of our society; the super-rich. They get all the money, power and get to thumb their noses at the laws of this land. What the rest of us get is fear and maybe a cutesy slogan from time to time. George Carlin said it best about a year before he died, “This country is done.”
July 10th, 2009 at 11:23 pmAs a social group, the Administrative Branch of government is dedicated to enforcing our laws. Yet in bon afide organized religions, which are arguably the most spiritual of bureaucratic heirarchies, internal (church, synagogue, etc.) rules and regulations uniformly fail to ask or pose specific spiritual questions, which will never have, or attain, exact answers. Therefore, the political question being discussed here, seems not entirely, but rather, impossible. Analagously, “Which part of a cow, goes through the barn door, last?!”
July 10th, 2009 at 11:24 pmJane E.,
My DISH satellite shows it at 11pm Pacific and then 27 hours later. I got an easy (press one button) DVRecorder, too.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pmKeith,
I just got that Michael Moore e-mail, too. It has a link to help people find out when (and on which PBS station) Bill Moyer’s Journal airs.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/about/airdates.html
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 pmI thought Michael only sent it to me! :(
July 10th, 2009 at 11:29 pmSorry, Keith. My e-mail didn’t make it into my comcast Inbox until 10:56 PM ET, though the time-stamp within the e-mail claims it was sent at 8:57 PM ET. Still, that’s pretty short notice. In order for that e-mail to do me any good, it would have to have been sent at a time when I might have been sitting in front of my computer, which would have been before Countdown started. I would think Michael Moore would know what many (not all) of his fans watch at that time.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:39 pmKeith, here ya go: http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/roadblocks-to-health-care/
July 10th, 2009 at 11:46 pmMr. Evil Says:
Is it just me or has everyone else here come to the realization that our present government is out of control and totally dysfunctional.
It is my opinion the corporate powers that be have more control than the average American can grasp. They share monetary interests in defense, insurance, Big Pharma, media….The media will not sensationalize an interest close to America = public health care. I can not find one poll thru the media asking about health care. Those in Congress not interested in a public health plan are those that take money from insurance corp.
Again, in my opinion, the media controls another interest = defense. Such hype was for ratings, yes, but maybe also to keep the war money machine going. It was the invasion of Iraq when I canceled my cable… could no longer sucome to the propaganda.
As compared to a couple of decades ago, too many lives are filled with despair over health care, debt from credit cards, loss of jobs, less unions,…also, in my opinion, the quality of food by the giant corps has created an obese unhealthy America leading to a prescription drugged America.
If we could ever vote in campaign finance reform we could reverse some of this and put the power where it belongs. But no, our best Congress money can buy vote special interest.
Also people need to learn how to cook healthy food from scratch, give up TV, stay away from credit cards to gain control over the corporate powers that be.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:42 amRove was more like Rasputin than an actual czar.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:04 amRove just needs a good slap on the back of his noggin. He’s forgotten that he’s one of the idiots responsible for this mess.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:47 amIs “TURD BLOSSOM”, TALKING AGAIN. I guess he spend the last couple of days “RECITING THE FIFTH”, he had to say some thing differ.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:49 amGame of Life Says:
Lora Says:
Why is Rovian hypocrisy even news?
To make sure this bs won’t happen again.
Unfortunately, this has happened twice where presidents have claimed extraordinary powers. The first was Nixon who made specious claims that the President can do anything he wants and it is not breaking the law. This was rejected by Nixon’s impeachment. That did not stop Bush from reasserting these claims under the guise of national security.
Can this happen again? Of course, it will happen again during the time of national crisis. There have been many times presidents have dealt with a national crisis but only Nixon and Bush have ever argued extreme broad powers. Lincoln and Roosevelt could have claimed more powers but did not because they had respect for the Constitution. The Congress passed laws after Nixon but that did not stop the Bush abuses of power. There is no guarantee that another president will not claim the powers.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:58 amI just love it when the criminals make these flowery speeches. Rove is the last person who needs to comment on honest government since he was right in the center of the most illegal administration in our history. In fact, Bush’s Vice President was totally in charge of the government all those years. It is not that I excuse Bush, but I do think he was so unprepared to be President that he just signed off on all of Cheney’s illegal activities. How sad that the Bush Administration will go down in history as the most corrupt in our country’s history. In fact, when it all unravels, their conduct will read like the activites of some third word junta that stole the functi0ning government of their country and totally distorted the rules of the constitution.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:01 ammari2RR – all legit points, but they demand the question be asked: JUST WHAT ARE OBAMA AND THE DEMS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!?!?!?!?!?!
Giving them a “free pass” is being complicit with the treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. The precedence of international law is clear – those that cover up or go along with these crimes are also guilty of them.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:28 amObama knows that if he changes the title ‘Czar’ to ‘coordinator’ and ‘Homeland’ to ‘domestic’ then the wacko Right would accuse him of being weak on security.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:55 amKarl’s comments suggest not so much hypocrisy as acute psychological dissociation.
Keep in mind that the right have just been rendered politically impotent. To a group of people who would murder their own mothers to get into power, this constitutes a major trauma.
Unable to deal with their political impotence, the right have switched personalities. The symptoms are massive memory loss and a complete personality change.
These are the hallmarks of dissociative personality disorder, and it is ubiquitous among wingnuts today.
Everywhere you look, you find that last week’s fascists are today’s libertarians. Look at the teabaggers. I’m quite certain that the average Republican has forgotten the Bush II Administration ever happened. It’s as if massive amounts of brain tissue have been removed…and now it was all Bill Clinton’s fault.
If the Repubs ever get back into power, their memories will return and they will revert to facism again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3HJDm_x24g
July 11th, 2009 at 6:16 amThe “darned if he can figure sh!t out” part is right.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:41 amPerry, interesting persepctive – is it also not true that, at its core, the republican party (which evolved from scandal-ridden WHIG party of the 1800s that was so corrupt it could not remain viable) has always been about:
1. Creating and maintaining a dislike of government, to the point of irrational hate,
2. Channeling that hate to disconnect people from government except for supporting those that complain it is evil.
3. Using the government to enrich a few key insiders, constantly gorging at the public trough.
4. Telling the others that government is evil and should “wither away” and be “drowned in the bathtub.
Its a very sophisticated scam really where a few steal from the many and then use the dysfunctional government that they create to convince some voters that ALL government is inherently evil.
The point I am trying to make is this – when we talk about the repugs we need to acknowledge that for a few of them, the hypocracy of their rhetoric is PROFITABLE BEYOND AVARICE.
And it takes an awful lot of propaganda to get the rest of them on board – the repug/neocon agenda goes directly against most of the population’s best interest.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:41 amSince when does a gay bashing homo freak make news by being a hypocrite. Why does anyone care what this piece of crap have to say.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:08 amWhenwillthis nightmareend – I agree, but would add, the real topic needs to be why obama and dems have “stood down” and not held anyone accountable.
What rove says is meant to inflame – he could have been held accountable for his actions (as could many in dur chimpfurher’s administration).
The news isn’t that crooks steal – ITS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT LOOKS THE OTHER WAY!
How come “yes we can” became “no we can’t” within the first 100 days – rhetoric about transparency, cleaning up government, and protecting our rights as “our values” have all been thrown under the bus.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:14 amSpeaking of war crimes:
Report: Bush admin. skirted probe of mass Afghan slayings
This is all being done in YOUR name and funded with YOUR tax dollars (and via other criminal enterprises a-la Iran/Contra).
Failure to hold these folks accountable makes those that refuse to do so accomplishes to said war crimes.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:37 amGood Morning Jo and all,..The question’s always asked is why are the dem’s so spineless and allowing all this corruption to continue…Easy answer, they are in on it…With the exception of a few like Kucinich…Right now can’t think of any one in the “few” group but there must be some, at least I hope…
The fact the President Obama is doing just what I thought he would do so soon after the election is what suprises me….Thought we would have a few good change’s first…He has baught into all of bull shit bush’s bad polacies and the war along with installing reich wingers in key position’s or left much of the old guard in place…
rove is part of the most evil and corrupt, the fact he is allowed all the privledge of a protected felon, run’s his mouth and has all the freedom of a king is no suprise to me…He do’s not even have to go under oath, what the hell is that all about.? My answer, it’s all a scam…They dem’s and all play a verbal game and act like they are doing something when in full bold faced lie’s they are doing nothing but continue their little sherade of ripping us off and using flowery speeches to keep us fed little snippet;s of hope they will do their job….Oh a few will do some good localy maybe, but over all they are all 2 sides of the same coin….
We were sold a brand with Obama, the media and big business decided it was time to put a black man in power to capture all the middle age vote’s from those of us that faught so hard during the civil right’s years…Never mind we are the same bunch that are Peace activest and helped stop the Nam genocide…The war issue is not valed enough and the present young voter’s were easy to sway and capture with the flowery hopeful speeche’s…All it took was having an intelligent speeker with a nice looking family and then allow or help mcnut’s implode with the wacko palin and the plan was complete…
I know people will be critical of my post’s, claiming I am not giving President Obama a chance or it took 8 years to get here and it’s only been months he’s been in office but the fact’s remain, we are still at war and supporting 4 at present, that’s billions in tax money…Nothing is being done about holding any one accountable, in fact the present administration is going out of it’s way to block any investigation’s…They are still going to hold people even if they were pardoned..No accountability with the bulging banker’s or them recieving more fund’s, well Yah! who’s the President’s go to bank guy.? Geitner the insider when the problem’s were created….Who’s the go to guy for stopping Israel and it’s funded by us madness.? rahm…..Who are all the other’s in charge,? right leaning centerest looking out for their own self interest and to hell with all of us….
If the public want’s real change we must look to the next presidental and pick a man like Kucinich or maybe a Mckenna in the green party..There will be no change for the good here…President Obama is well aware of the law and yet he continues with the bush executive privledge and ignoring full steam ahead anything constitutional…
We the people are being held captive at the will of the political partie’s while they play out their little kabuki play on word’s and pretend banter to keep them all relevent…No longer are we the home of the free or brave..How brave can unemployed media fed people be when there is no justice just point’s of. political posturing..Stalling and running out the clock to the next election and more promises is all that will happen…
Please forgive all the error’s, hammer away and be critical all you please, these are just my opinion’s and no I don’t get paid for my post’s and am not a troll just a realety based thinker….P. B & J….Please forgive the length..
July 11th, 2009 at 10:34 amThe president has no inherent powers to criminally prosecute because that is in the purview of the AG. The report that came out yesterday is indicative of an investigation. That does not mean it is the only investigation. There may be matters that are not completed and then the AG has to choose whether to prosecute. The report will be sent to Congress for its consideration with the appropriate committees. It is too early to say if anyone will be charge. The fact that it was made public may ultimate lead to hearings in Congress which may order the prosecution.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:17 amKarl Rove is an ignorant moron who only looks at the faults of others when he should take a look at himself and realize what a scheming and lying Ahole that he is. The best description of George Walker Bush and Karl Rove is “Dumb and Dumber” or for George Walker Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove is the “Three Stooges.”
July 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pmyes yes it is and I am glad it is watching me. If you have nothing to hide why should you fear your ISP?
July 11th, 2009 at 4:40 pmKarl Rove will have to yet go before Congress over his involvement on sending former Governor of Alabama Don Siegelman to prison on lies that Karl Rove helped to cook up. What needs to happen is that Karl Rove needs to have a warrant issued for his arrest as he thinks that he is above the law by him ignoring this matter. He needs to be arrested, hauled back to Washington in Leg Irons and Hand Cuffs. They as well need to put him on a Lie Detector and get the truth out of him about his involvement and the next step will be a court case and then sentencing to prison for the rest of his life.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pmI think waterboarding Rove would be much more gratifying.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pmI would agree with you pags2 as Rove should be water boarded on all matters he was involved in. They could get enough evidence against him from water boarding him to put him in prison for a 150 years, though he would be long dead before that. He is a scumbag just Bernard Madoff, who was sentenced to 150 years in prison and there isn’t much difference between them as they are both scheming liars.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:50 pmThank You..
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