The Military’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy On Racism And Extremism
The Military’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy On Racism And Extremism
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit that tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, sent a letter to congressional leaders today revealing the “threat posed by racial extremists who may be serving in the military”:
Evidence continues to mount that current Pentagon policies are inadequate to prevent racial extremists from joining and serving in the armed forces. In recent months, we have found dozens of personal profiles listing “military” as an occupation on a neo-Nazi website. Because the presence of extremists in the armed forces is a serious threat to the safety of the American public, we believe Congressional action is warranted.
Approximately 40 profiles on newsaxon.org — “a racist version of Facebook run by the National Socialist Movement” — show a disturbing number of Nazi and Confederate flags, white supremacist language, and identification as active duty members of the U.S. military. One hundred thirty members out of a total 7,906 users list their job as “military.” Member “geisler,” for example, identifies himself as a “human resources specialist” in the Army and says he wants to “find a woman I can settle down with and have a nice, WHITE family (unlike some in the army with all the race traitors).” Among his hobbies is “to further the preservation and existence of our race”:
The problem of white supremacists in the military started gaining attention a few years ago, when recruiting shortfalls caused by the Iraq war allowed “large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists” to sign up. A Defense Department investigator admitted, “We’ve got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad. That’s a problem.” Similarly, in 2008, the FBI issued this report:
Sensitive and reliable source reporting indicates supremacist leaders are encouraging followers who lack documented histories of neo-Nazi activity and overt racist insignia such as tattoos to infiltrate the military as “ghost skins,” in order to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement.
The Bush administration ignored the problem. The SPLC called on then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to appoint a task force to study the issue and more strictly enforce zero-tolerance. Under Secretary David Chu refused to take action, saying that the military was already doing enough. But in a 2005 report for the Defense Department, investigators found that officials were basically turning a blind eye to the problem:
Additionally, as seen in Appendix A, the relatively larger number of message board postings warning new recruits from revealing their extremist group associations exemplifies the presence of both military policy and action to disallow such activities in the Armed Forces. Effectively, the military has a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy pertaining to extremism. If individuals can perform satisfactorily, without making their extremist opinions overt through words or actions that violate policy, reflect poorly on the Armed Forces, or disrupt the effectiveness and order of their units, they are likely to be able to complete their contracts.
Of course, the right wing was apoplectic over the recent Department of Homeland Security report that warned extremists may “attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans.” This doesn’t mean that all members of the military are racist or likely to sign up with extremist groups. But with more than 12,500 valuable service members discharged since 1994 for nothing more than their sexual orientation, it seems that the military is kicking out the wrong people.
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So skinheads are OK but homosexuals are not — makes no sense.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pmWe teach neo-Nazis skills with weapons of all sorts, but we drum linguists and other specialists out because they are homosexual. Pure bigotry and racism trump.
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we got trolls here.
it’s the same thing.
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July 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pmIf it were not for ignorance and fear, Republicans would be left with only greed as the primary motivator behind their policies.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pmMember “geisler,” for example, identifies himself as a “human resources specialist” in the Army and says he wants to “find a woman I can settle down with and have a nice, WHITE family (unlike some in the army with all the race traitors).” Among his hobbies is “to further the preservation and existence of our race”
Yeah , that’s just what this country needs , jackass ; more racist tools who want to enlarge the ever-increasing moron population in this country………….That group is known as GOP backers.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pmTotally off topic Alert:
sorry for the Ot but I’m trying to find info debunking Michele Bachman’s rant about Gangster Gov’t and GM dealership closures but I’m comming up short.
A little Help?!?!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pmjoe cantwell Says:
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we got trolls here.
it’s the same thing.
Not the same thing, because most of our trolls are chicken-shi*te cowards who won’t enlist in the military to prove they love their country.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm“…supremacist leaders are encouraging followers… to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement.”
Disturbing & extremely frightening. But it certainly shows where some of the home-grown radical right wing extremists come from. And the Repubs screeched about the DHS report? Apparently Repubs are either lying to themselves about this problem, or think it’s perfectly acceptable to train/reduit home-grown terrorists.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
joe cantwell Says:
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we got trolls here.
it’s the same thing.
Not the same thing, because most of our trolls are chicken-shi*te cowards who won’t enlist in the military to prove they love their country.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
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i don’t think racist nazis serve this
country when they’re allowed to join up.
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i could be wrong.
i haven’t made a study of it.
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July 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pmTheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Says:
sorry for the Ot but I’m trying to find info debunking Michele Bachman’s rant about Gangster Gov’t and GM dealership closures but I’m comming up short.
A little Help?!?!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
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I think I can help with this. The key words you need to debunk this claim are “Michele” and “Bachman.” This is proof positive that the claim is false.
You’re welcome! :)
July 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pmUnfortunately, our troops are being asked to “serve” our nation by participating in an illegal war of conquest that was initiated based on lies. They are being asked to participate in war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The use of depleted uranium weapons is a war crime. The wholesale slaughter of a million or more innocent people, mostly women and children is a war crime – even if the military refers to it as “collateral damage”.
Of all the issues here, I cannot understand why some want to make DADT the lead issue.
I don’t know why anyone is surprised that they accept racists and extremists – the US military is being used to illegally kill people of color.
I’m sorry guys, but “supporting our troops” means focusing on bigger issues than this and it demands holding BOTH repugs and dems accountable.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm“Approximately 40 profiles on newsaxon.org — “a racist version of Facebook run by the National Socialist Movement”…”
The GOP was right, the socialists are trying to take over. Damned Nazi, white supremacist, skin head, full of hate libruls. They must be sto…oh, they vote Republican? Well, that’s a horse of a different color…come on in!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pmANOTHER OBAMA SELL-OUT:
Obama threatens to veto law decreasing White House secrecy
So just what has this man actually done to deliver the “change” he ran on and justify the slogan “yes we can”
July 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pmWell Blackwater sure ain’t gonna train their own militiamen. That’s the gubmit’s job.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThis is, in my opinion, a very dangerous moment for the USA. With the ‘evangelization’ of so much of the military hierarchy, coupled with the ‘great man theory’ of governance held by Christian conservatives in office and in power, we could be on the edge of a real crisis. (See the thesis behind the “C Street Family” [Jeff Sharlet's book details]: they believe Christianity really means “Power to the Powerful” and admire Hitler, Stalin and Mao as leader. C Streeters include Ensign, Coburn, Sanford, et al.]
July 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pmAJ flagged for off-topic…AGAIN!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pmSo does the Republican party have an official position on whether right-wing neo-Nazi terrorists are part of “real America” or “fake America?”
I’ll try to contain my surprise.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
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TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Says:
sorry for the Ot but I’m trying to find info debunking Michele Bachman’s rant about Gangster Gov’t and GM dealership closures but I’m comming up short.
A little Help?!?!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
________________
I think I can help with this. The key words you need to debunk this claim are “Michele” and “Bachman.” This is proof positive that the claim is false.
You’re welcome! :)
Thanks, but that’s the problem! When I use thoes terms, my computer screen fills up with evidence of her batshit nuttiness and I can’t filter it…
July 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pmFrom what I’ve seen and what’s been reported, aren’t most openly-racist organizations also anti-government? So if people who support those far-right ideals join the military and benefit from it’s combat training, shouldn’t we consider it a form of treason if they might likely use that training against us?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pmyou can’t expect AJ to pass up any opportunity to whine about Obama. He’s still bitter about the election, apparently.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pmTheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Says: GM dealership closures but I’m comming up short. A little Help?!?!
Try this:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/news-flash-car-dealers-are-republicans.html
Republican GM car dealerships closed because 90% of them are Republican, so totally unavoidable.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pmIf these military persons can be identified, then they should be sent to the front lines in Afghanistan. Since they are so gung ho about “saving” our nation, this would give them the utmost opportunity.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmA Patriotic Anopheles Acting
Call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulance!
Selling us out in any are of the campaign promises from last fall certainly does affect the dialog about what we can expect in terms of rhetoric and action anyplace out.
See my post above out “bigger” issues of how our military is illegally used against people of color anyhow, so this topic shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Expecting real change? Ain’t gonna happen if obama and the dems are not held accountable in other areas.
But whine if folks don’t goosemarch with you if you prefer – it really doesn’t matter nor change anything.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmI am a gay republican who likes to hi-jack other peoples names on this site. I hate myself and therefore I want all people to hate. Basically, I’m an A$$hole.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmI mean @ 20,
Majority of closed GM dealerships Republican because majority of ALL GM dealers Republican.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmMajority of dealerships NOT CLOSED, ALSO Republican, again because majority of ALL GM dealerships were/are Republican.
Cats r Flyfishn Says: If these military persons can be identified, then they should be sent to the front lines in Afghanistan. Since they are so gung ho about “saving” our nation, this would give them the utmost opportunity.
Well, no that would be a BAD idea, Cats–as I’m sure you know :D
July 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmNot bitter about the election, but me and many other progressives are disappointed in his actions since then.
This all plays into repug hands. People need to appreciate that the “economic stimulus” package, according to Biden (and others) is not going to significantly improve employement.
If he doesn’t actually show us that he is making an honest effort to match his rhetoric with action, he is going to fracture his base.
That will not be a good thing for his administration, the democrats, or the country.
But put your head in the sand if you want – never has helped anything, but at least you’re out of the way then.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmFrom US Army’s honorably discharged Timothy McVeigh’s wiki page:
Just sayin’…
PEACE
July 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pmRepublican Love Facts Says:
I am a gay republican who likes to hi-jack other peoples names on this site. I hate myself and therefore I want all people to hate. Basically, I’m an A$$hole.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
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twajie,
doing the meth.
sniffing the glue.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmBut with more than 12,500 valuable service members discharged since 1994 for nothing more than their sexual orientation,…
This remark seems to have just too much victim embracing exuberance to be true; especially, the “valuable service members” part.
Since homosexuality is a “self-described” condition, it makes just as much sense, at least to bit, to say, “But with more than 12,500 service members pretending to be gay in order to get discharged…”
TP has not confirmed that the discharge members were actually homosexuals. They got out on their word that they were homosexuals?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmParody troll. Same one as yesterday. The “Republicans Love Facts” troll has an “s” in the first word.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm5th Estate Thanks, That’s along the lines of what I’ve been looking for but I was looking specifically at her statement about them contacting their “democrat” representative to overturn the closing…
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmTrollspotter – congratulations. BTW, have you read any of the other posts by the neocon who hijacked ‘Repulicans HATE Facts”??? …that troll is going by the name Republicans Love Facts …so I thought I’d do a double hijack. ..is that legal? or will he be taking me to court?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmAJ plays right into republican hands by trying to divide us.
not
gonna
work
July 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pmNot on their word, bitty, other’s.
Haven’t you noticed that most of the service personnel who’ve been discharged under DADT that are public about it WANTED to be in the service of their country?
Oh, and I’ve never used the word “condition” to describe by sexuality…it’s not like having eczema.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pmAJ, last time I will address you directly as I have witnessed the frustrations of other regulars time and again yet you still persist with your bullshit. I won’t get into an off-topic arguement with you over your problems with President Obama and your perceptions of what change consists of. This is NOT the place or time as the topic at hand is white-sumpremacists in the military. I would urge you to look into yourself if you want to see where the whining is coming from. You sound like a child with your constant cries for attention, off-topic rants and calling out fellow progressives with your constant off-topic crap. Get your own blog, kindly stick to the topic at hand, get off your @ss and actually DO something about the issues that are constantly annoying you or STFU! No one here is interested in what you have to say anymore. You are of course free to post at will, but will be flagged EVERY time you stray from the topic, which seems at least half of the time. I will from here on just skip your rants and continue to flag the OT ones as they waste my and I’m sure everyone else here’s time. If you want attention so badly why don’t you go to redstate or one off the other various sites that will embrace your bullshit.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pmIf this kind of b.s. isn’t stopped, and that includes allowing people with felonies to sign up, our vaunted “voluntary” military forces will be comprised of more and more violent and anti-social people and may even wind up outnumbering the truly sane and dedicated. Not only is this a dangerous situation in a war zone, with atrocities committed against innocent civilians, but also a danger to US. These are the same folks that might eventually be brought in to “help” in national emergencies. And of course, the frosting on the cake is kicking gay people out of the military because of their sexual identity, but allowing the truly insane to “serve.”
July 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pmRLF Parody Troll: It may well be legal but I just don’t think it’s particularly helpful to follow the example set by right wing trolls. We beat these clowns on the facts time and time again and that’s where the battle should be fought. There’s no need for what you’re doing.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pmThere are also Gang Members in the US Military and Black Militants, they also are threat. Why no mention of them?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm,,,,
rt,
stopped reading aj’s
comments a long time ago.
haven’t missed a thing.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmWhite Supremacists mirror the Republic Party…
-Prejudiced against change
-Prejudiced against ethnic diversity
-Prejudiced against free market competition
-Prejudiced against helping the sick & poor
-Willing to lie, distort or harm those not agreeing with them
America needs these types like we need more Republics…
July 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pmSharky – what part of:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit that tracks racist and right-wing militia groups
do you not understand?
If you’re concerned about gangs in the military perhaps there is a group out there tracking that. Google is your friend.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmRacism in the military is nothing new. When my brother was through with his duty in the early 80’s, he was a mess. One of the most disturbing things we ever heard him utter was, “The only use I have for black, catholics and queers is target practice.”
This made the next family get-together interesting…my other brother was dating an African American woman, my little sister had just converted to Catholicism for her fiancee and I had just come out.
Talk about your trifectas.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmSharky Says:
There are also Gang Members in the US Military and Black Militants, they also are threat. Why no mention of them?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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you just mentioned them.
doesn’t that count?
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got any links to this
gang members/black militants
in the u.s. military thing?
:|
thanks.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmIs this the guy who was on Rachel Maddow last night? He was talking about the house Ensign, Coburn and others share. It does sound scary and should be a must read for all of us.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmjoe,
Here you go.
Sorry this busts your bubble.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pmbitblt Says:
TP has not confirmed that the discharge members were actually homosexuals.
This reminds me of a press conference – years ago – where a reporter asked the speaker whether he was gay. The speaker quickly disarmed the reporter by turning it around and asking, “Why? Have you just fallen hopelessly in love with me?”
Damned if I can remember the context…anyone?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pmreligion is not just dangerous to those afflicted with it, it is dangerous to rational people too
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pmBarack McNamara Obama: Why Can’t Obama See His Wars Are Unwinnable?
I am all for talking about DADT and accepting racists and extremists into the military AFTER we end the illegal wars. A dialog about this does need to include the rhetoric of politicians, their actions, and holding them accountable.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm-Prejudiced against helping the sick & poor
The fastest growing poverty group in the country is single women with children – single mothers.
U.S. government spends $281B/yr on single mothers.
Most recent government report shows that 40% of the births in the country are to unwed women. These children are born out of wedlock.
For the purposes of this post call the above numbers the cost of encouraging men to be irresponsible. Nonetheless, who can say what a horrific burden these mothers and their children have to bear?
What are the democrats doing to stop this horrific cost?
Is if fair to make taxpayers support the financial burden that incurred by irresponsible men? Isn’t that a justice issue? Those who are responsible about raising their offspring are force to pay for those who are completely irresponsible. Where is the justice in that? This is what OK Legislator Kern was talking about when she talks about irresponsible sexual behavior bankrupting the country.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pmBest. Family get-together. Ever.
But having come from a smaller town with a good deal of military pride, I always pitied those with short-sighted opinions of minorities. However, the added aspect of their military training turned that pity into fear (and more pity).
Crossing my fingers that all of these reports of right-wing extremism are just the storm before the calm.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pmProgressives live in a fanatsy world. In your world only Whites are bad, “people of Color” are innocent and do no wrong. When will you all realize there are militants and violent people of all color?
Why are Italains, Greeks and others called “white” when many of them are the same color and bloodline as Hispanics?
Ask yourself that and you will realize the stupidity of Racial classifications.
Now back to your bubble where there are no Gangs in the US Militray and only White Supremists.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pmSharky – are you daft?
Doesn’t “bust my bubble” – IT PROVES MY POINT!
Expecting “fairness” and principles from an organization that is currently acting outside of the boundaries of law is INSANE!
Support our troops by holding politicians accountable for ENDING ILLEGAL WARS.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pmYoungSloshee,
July 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pmThe Black and Latin Gangs are no threat what so ever! You are right, only White Gangs are a problem.
I apologize for being wrong.
Well, for one thing, they’re encouraging fathers to step up and be more responsible.
What are the Republicans doing?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pmProgressives really have this sick view that Non Whites are helpless and need protection. This is a racist attitude, you all view Blacks and Latins as your pets.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmWhat are the Republicans doing?
“Hiking the Appalachian Trail” (*wink*)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmSharky… I’m pretty sure that most people here are against gangs in the U.S. Military.
Why do you live in a fantasy world where if anyone else hates its okay for ‘whites’ to?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmPhony Republican Love Facts Says:
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I am a gay republican who likes to hi-jack other peoples names on this site. I hate myself and therefore I want all people to hate. Basically, I’m an A$$hole.
No proof? Shocker!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pmNotice how jc fled the scene when he was debuked?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pmdebunked
July 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pmSharky Says:
joe,
Here you go.
Sorry this busts your bubble.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
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oh sharky.
where to start?
i know. your “article” is dated feb. 12, 2007…
got anything more recent?
here’s a google search on
“gang member, black militants in the u.s. army”
not much there but have fun, dude.
and no where in your article does it mention the words “black militants”.
check it out yourself if you don’t believe me.
“Now back to your bubble where there are no Gangs in the US Militray and only White Supremists.”
you are the only one here who wrote that,
so i guess it must be true.
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got anything else?
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pmMembers of nearly every major street gang, including the Bloods, Crips, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, The 18th Street Gang, Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Mexican Mafia, Nortenos, Surenos, Vice Lords, and various white supremacist groups, have been documented on military installations.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pmTrollspotter Says:
bitblt Says:
What are the democrats doing to stop this horrific cost?
Well, for one thing, they’re encouraging fathers to step up and be more responsible.
What are the Republicans doing?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Thanks! Believe bit may have quoted a part of that speech a few threads back?
What are the Republicans doing?
bit really doesn’t know. The Republicans seem to be wandering in the wilderness for a while.
What the Republicans did traditionally was to try to reduce welfare.
BHO, and company, OTOH seem intent on impoverishing us all in the name of equality, but in actually the poorer we get the more BHO’s power base grows. In short, more of the irresponsible voted for him – bit expects.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pmok TP, when are the mods coming back from vacation?
trolls are one thing, but the blatant spamming trolls (jeffboste, watchdog, that privacy center guy) are too much
then we have the concern trolls that look for any opportunity to sow division and whine about obama (you know who they are)
then we have the ignorant racists like sharky that continue to post racist BS
how long until we can have some moderation on this forum again?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:07 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Members of nearly every major street gang, including the Bloods, Crips, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, The 18th Street Gang, Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Mexican Mafia, Nortenos, Surenos, Vice Lords, and various white supremacist groups, have been documented on military installations.
Okay.
That’s a problem.
We seem to agree that there shouldn’t be gangs (of any ethnicity) in the military.
What do you think you’ve ‘debunked?’
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmSharky Says:
YoungSloshee,
The Black and Latin Gangs are no threat what so ever! You are right, only White Gangs are a problem.
I apologize for being wrong.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
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Why the hell would you, of all people, be against Latin Gangs in the military, Trajan?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmI just hope that one of these right wing idiots tries to get their violence on with me.
They’ll learn very quickly just how strong and capable a liberal can be.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pmThere you are my evil twin! I’ve been looking all over for you. (I haven’t fled – just searching for you)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pmjjm Says:
This is, in my opinion, a very dangerous moment for the USA. With the ‘evangelization’ of so much of the military hierarchy, coupled with the ‘great man theory’ of governance held by Christian conservatives in office and in power, we could be on the edge of a real crisis. (See the thesis behind the “C Street Family” [Jeff Sharlet's book details]: they believe Christianity really means “Power to the Powerful” and admire Hitler, Stalin and Mao as leader. C Streeters include Ensign, Coburn, Sanford, et al.]
Thanks for posting this. I saw the author interviewed by Maddow last night. It made my head spin. I am a (non-church attending) Christian, and the attitude and teachings of “The Family” is the complete opposite of Christianity. If it were simply a limited cult following, that would be one thing. But the fact that government leaders we elect are following that belief system is truly frightening. Put the word opposite/against (anti) plus Christ together and you’ve got a pretty good idea where I’m coming from on this. Another important teaching is “by their fruits shall ye know them.” When people claim to be great Christians, but then violate their own self-proclaimed moral system or deny care and concern for others, including unjustified war and torture, there’s a major problem…and that is, that so many fundamentalists actually believe what they say and do is RIGHT. They begin proclaiming, for instance, GW as right in all he did, just because he also claimed to be a born-again Christian.” They begin to justify infidelity, bribery, graft, lying, and torture because those who participate or instigate and support such practices call themselves “born-again Christians.”
July 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pmAre these 130 racists who are in the military, also part of the brave troops that have to be supported by purchasing yellow car magnets made in China?
/Putting on his asbestos suit.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pmwhat the republicans traditionally try to do is INCREASE WELFARE for rich corporations such as ADM and Haliburton
July 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Notice how jc fled the scene when he was debuked?
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
debunked
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make up your mind.
:)
in the mean time sharky
up and palins on us.
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Sharky Says:
YoungSloshee,
The Black and Latin Gangs are no threat what so ever! You are right, only White Gangs are a problem.
I apologize for being wrong.
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apology accepted.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pmwinddancer, once you let people who believe in superstitions have positions of power, things get ugly
it happens every time
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pmcall the WAAAAAAAAAAAHBULANCE!
People post here that don’t agree with me on everything I say – they are a problem even thought they support virtually all of the candidates I support.
But THEY want to hold those candidates accountable! They do not bow to my wishes and commands!!!!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pmNOT FAIR NOT FAIR – BAN THEM – BAN THEM.
The number one job of a soldier is to protect his fellow soldiers. That’s kind of hard to do if you consider your fellow soldiers of color the enemy.
Who knows how many non-whites may have been “fragged” by these racist neo-Nazi recruits.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pmhear that, TPers? JoeJoe says he needs a waaaaambulance
just make sure they bring the white jacket this time
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pmWell, hold on here. Much as I don’t approve of what the parody troll’s doing, I do think he’s on to something.
You did take the handle of Rebecca Lobo because she was Keith Olbermann’s girlfriend, and there’s ample evidence that your obsession with poor Keith is a serious, swooning man-crush. So gay Republican might well be right.
You took a variant of republicans hate facts’s handle as one of your hundreds of sock puppets, so I think name hijacker has a certain basis in fact as well.
You hate yourself, well, that much is obvious given how you routinely show up here in the hopes that the regular posters will make you look foolish.
You want other people to hate, yes, that’s your goal with every post.
Hmm.
If the shoe fits, right?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pmPlease see thread UPSTAIRS for further proof that a dialog about holding BOTH sides accountable is effective and will create the positive change we were promised.
The “blue dogs” and other obstructionists respect the will of the people, changing their stances on key issues, or they are publicly “outed” for being the corporate lackeys they are.
Either way, we win.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm…
haven’t got a point?
HIT THE CAP LOCK!
…
here endeth the lesson.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pmSharky Says:
Progressives really have this sick view that Non Whites are helpless and need protection. This is a racist attitude, you all view Blacks and Latins as your pets.
Missconception. They don’t need protection just because they are Non-White. They sometimes need protection because, in various cases, Non-Whites don’t get to play on an even field with Whites.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pmhold both sides accountable, but don’t let the right wingers blame Obama for Congress being slow to act, like our ignorant concern troll likes to do
July 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmlittle tommy little tommy…
Whining about people you don’t agree with because they have the audacity to support your candidates but also want to hold them accountable.
Say what you want – there are many here and across the country that agree. There are some who don’t agree.
This results is a dialog of different viewpoints in a public forum. In this case, between people that probably agree on many issues and work to support the same candidates.
Some don’t want to hold those folks accountable, some do. Probably in 2010 and 2012 – the elections will be swung by the folks that hold candidates accountable.
But natter on about how awful it is that anyone even think that the standards that we apply to repugs should apply to dems. It will not be a “winning” proposition when elections come around.
But if it makes you feel good today – knock yourself out.
Do you really think the threads here are that important?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pmTommy,
I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to disagree with YOU!
… And for that, you need moderation? Geesh!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNl6-j9×5w
Echos…
.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pmwell, AJ thinks that whining on TP = putting pressure on Obama
too funny
all he really does is attempt to sow division here, to further the efforts of Republicans
that’s his purpose
July 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pmo, and that video is really Oreilly, I know it SOUNDS a lot like AJ, but it is really Bill
July 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm.
Dear Tommy,
Hold just whom accountable?
Like this?
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-overwhelming-rebukes-obama-signing-statement-2009-07-09.html
Now THAT’S accountability in action.
NO Mr. President.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DICTATE WHICH LAWS YOU WILL AND WILL NOT ENFORCE!
Tommy,
WE have to hold BOTH the Administration AND the Legislature accountable. NOT just those that please us, NO?
“Feet to the Fire”
.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pmI don’t see anyone blaming obama for congress being slow to act. I do see people express concerns about:
*Illegal wars and questions if we are actually disengaging.
*A total abandonment of the “transparency” he ran on, including directly backing chimpy and cheney withholding public documents.
*Paying lip service to torture but stonewalling us about what happened which, in turn, makes it impossible to hold anyone accountable. This can be construed as complicity – no excuse sweeping war crimes and crimes against humanity under the rug.
*Biden admits the stimulus package “assumed” things that were wrong and it will not do what we were promised. It was watered down in the name of bipartisenship.
*Even though he promised to end SIGNING STATEMENTS, he is issueing them.
When obama sold us out on FISA, directly contradicting promises he made when soliciting money to launch his campaign, may of us were willing to support him anyhow.
We did learn that he needs to be watched. Like every other politician, needs to be held accountable.
This isn’t about whether congress is moving – this is about the integrity of our elected officials.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pmfine AJ, you win, TP is the ONLY site on the planet where Obama can be held accountable and if we don’t whine about him on EVERY THREAD, he will turn into George Bush
why don’t you grow up?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pmwhining = anything that is not what I say.
tommy’s whining about others is, ummmmmmmmmmm…
Just the rantings of a mental midgit that cannot comprehend the issues and things that TP is his own private sandbox.
But I know, tommy, you are part of the crowed that denies that “progessive” and “liberal” American political traditions ever existed, so now it is just all about you.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAJ, grow up
July 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAJ thinks whining on TP is the only way to put pressure on govt
wow
what an idiot
July 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pmTommy,
Get over it. FREE SPEECH baby!!!
You’re allowed to gripe at Redstate, you know.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pmGeesh!!!
…
yea… none of us saw THIS problem coming… when we learned bushco was lowering the enlistment requirements to include garbage…
and, once again, bushco ignored the warnings and allowed a calamity (this one’s in the making)…
it’s almost like it was planned or something…
…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pmwow, AJ is the one constantly whining about TP and the regulars here, not me
HE belongs at redstate or freeper
maybe he should whine less and write his congressmen instead
that’s what I do
July 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmSharky Says:
Why are Italains, Greeks and others called “white” when many of them are the same color and bloodline as Hispanics?
Hispanics refer to the culture and people of a country formerly ruled by Spain. The majority of whom have Spanish ancestry and speak Spanish. Primarily Mexico, Central and South America and the Great Antilles (Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola, and Puerto Rico). In most cases, the European Spanish interbred with the indigenous natives of each area. This obviously doesn’t apply to Italians or Greeks, etc. They certainly don’t share the same bloodline as Hispanics. And color? All your statement reveals is an absolutely abysmal knowledge of history.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmNotice how quickly RLF and Sharky fled the scene when they were ‘debuked?’ [sic] (and wrong the pair of them)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pmit’s shift change time at troll central
July 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pmwinddancer,
Many Hispanics in Latin America are of Pure Spanish or even Italian origin. Get educated about that. Also even if someone is of mixed blood, in the Latin Countries if they look Euro Spanish they are considered that. It is only in the Racist American one blood drop rule that doesn’t do that.
Also if people in the Latin Countries are of mixed blod, they still have Spaniard in them, which is the same bloodline as Italians. So your ignorance is very obvious.
An Italian has more in common with a Mexican or Cuban than he does with the Dutch. That is why more Italians moved to Latin America (Argentina) than America. They were more more at home there.
I know, I’m Italo-Argentine and embrace, Mexicans, Bolivians, Cubans and others as my Latin brothers. Your racism will never divide us.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pmRantingTommy,
Debunked? I proved my point, there are Gangs of all races in the Military. Those are facts.
joe cantwell,
July 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThe Gansta Diciples are Black Militants. Read up on their ideology sometime.
Uhh… sharky?
Who’s trying to divide you?
You can identify with whomever you choose… but if you choose to identify with a gang or choose to believe in some nonsense about the ‘purity’ of bloodlines or races, I don’t want you in our military.
Got it?
You can work for Fox and Friends instead…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmwinddancer,
July 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmI know Colombians, Cubans and Puerto Ricans that are lighter than Italains or Greeks. Sorry Greek and Italians are not White.
I know Colombians, Cubans and Puerto Ricans that are lighter than Italains or Greeks.
huh, so maybe classifying people by the color of their skin is a silly thing to do… maybe we should prevent those who would like to do that from receiving military training, what do you think?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pmSharky, you’re a complete imbecile. How many Italians are there in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Honduras, Guatemala>?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pmLess than a thousand I’d guess. Your statement is totally misleading, as ethnicity has as much to do with culture as it does genetics and genealogy.
Go divide yourself, but please don’t procreate.
Sorry Greek and Italians are not White.
Are they Caucasian?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pmP.S. I know some sorry greeks as well. Poor bastards.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
Sharky, you’re a complete imbecile. How many Italians are there in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Honduras, Guatemala>?
Less than a thousand I’d guess. Your statement is totally misleading, as ethnicity has as much to do with culture as it does genetics and genealogy.
Go divide yourself, but please don’t procreate.
If you get trajan/sharky wound up, he’ll even explain how they’re all descendants of the Roman Empire.
He has one of the strangest views of history I’ve run across; almost makes the fundie 6,000 year crowd look intelligent.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
How many Italians are there in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Honduras, Guatemala?
I got curious as well, so I decided to check it out on Wikipedia. According to them:
About 600,000 Italian-Peruvians.
Between 150,000 and 800,000 Italian-Chileans.
And a whooping 25 million Italian-Argentinians.
Those were the ones with their own Wikipedia articles.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm…
(repeated from the david brooks post)
. . .
ot,
the daily beast has located
our favorite troll “the young republican”.
her name is audra shay, she’s 38
and “favored to become the head of the
Young Republicans tomorrow.”
more here.
:|
i suppose we should
classify the tyr’s as a
“white militant organization”, eh?
***
July 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pmLuis Chapulin,
July 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pmShocked at the amount of Italians in Latin America?
As an Italian-Argentine I feel more comfortable around Hispanics than White Americans.
Sharky-
How do you feel about gangs in the military… isn’t that what we’re discussing?
I’m against them.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pmSharky Says:
Luis Chapulin,
Shocked at the amount of Italians in Latin America?
As an Italian-Argentine I feel more comfortable around Hispanics than White Americans.
Dude. I’m a Mexican descended from Spanish and Italian ancestors. I’m not shocked at all.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmSharky Says:
Luis Chapulin,
Shocked at the amount of Italians in Latin America?
As an Italian-Argentine I feel more comfortable around Hispanics than White Americans.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
***
as an a$$hole you probably feel
more comfortable around other a$$holes too.
:)
July 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pmThe US military has been so screwed by religion and politics it is barely recognizable. They allowed gang members in, because they needed warm bodies. They allow these gangs to flourish. And what they didn’t know about violence and organization when they came in, the military has given them lessons. When these gang members get out, what do you suppose they will take back to our streets?
They have allow religion to infiltrate at the highest level. Coercing soldiers to “get right with God.” Some of their units even have flags with a religious theme. And as the article said, “they are kicking out the wrong people.”
I don’t want to be living in this country when the armed and military trained gangs take over the streets. Our police won’t be able to protect us. I can see a scenario of our military coming back to fight the very people they trained. Can you say anarchy?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pmI just find it ironic that some folks would use the discrimination card to defend the rights of Neo-Nazis to serve in the military while in the same breath, they would proudly and vigorously deny those rights to gays.
One white supremacist is one too many if even one gay person is denied his/her military career on the basis of sexual orientation.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:20 pmNOTE: “THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED”.
All these Racist groups have been preparing for a take over for quite sometime. If you may have noticed the “NRA”, has been stepping up it efforts to roll back “GUN LAWS”, at the same time accusing the Obama Adm. of trying to “TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO BARE ARMS”.
It’s sad to say, but there will come a time, and it will be soon when all those Racist Lunatics are going to “ATTEMPT” to take over this country.
No need to worry, or be afraid, just be prepare to do to them, what they will do to “YOU”.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:46 ambitblt Says: 29
Since you are an ignorant hateful bigot. No one with the sense God gave a common dog cares in the least what you think about this. You are stupid bit. Stupid, bigoted and a piece of garbage. STFU
July 11th, 2009 at 6:39 amFirst of all, the SPLC will not say anything about the hatmongers on the KKKonservanazi talk bu$hit. People like limblaugh, O’Lielly, Insanity hannity express their racist and mysoginistic crap on the airwaves and the SPLC won’t say a word about that activity. I believe that the US Armed Forces Radio broacast limpblaugh daily, which reenforees racist values even to the military leadership.
And the want to get rid of the same policy they ENDORSE.
AMAZING!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:09 amFirst of all, the SPLC will not say anything about the hatmongers on the KKKonservanazi talk bu$hit. People like limblaugh, O’Lielly, Insanity hannity express their racist and mysoginistic crap on the airwaves and the SPLC won’t say a word about that activity. I believe that the US Armed Forces Radio broacast limpblaugh daily, which reenforees racist values even to the military leadership.
And the want to get rid of the same policy they ENDORSE.
AMAZING!
Start at the root of the problem on one issue first. Then, weed out the herd. The KKKonservanazis have been breeding this infectious hatred even more since Obama became president.
The main reason I refuse to donate to SPLC any more because they support the KKKonservanazi republiKKKan hate machine.
“WHEN FACISM COMES TO AMERICA, IT WILL BE WRAPPED IN THE FLAG CARRYING A CROSS.” Sinclair Lewis
July 11th, 2009 at 10:12 amWhat about the other side of this, maybe there are also gang members being changed for the better in the US military. The military gives them space from their retarded brethen and allows them to meet lots of people from other cultures and countries. It seems like the army would open the minds of the closed minded rather then close the minds of the open minded.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pmI would like to think that the President would want to stop these white extremists from serving in the military but apparently he’s comfortable with it. That’s what we get with someone who is too worried about what his critics are going to say rather than governing in the way he thinks is right. These racist azzholes pose a greater threat to our security than the foreign terrorists do. Why? Because they are trusted with our security!
July 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pmStop SPYING ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU NEED TO BE TRYING TO FIND THAT Azzhole that attacked us on 911 rather than spying on your fellow Amercian Citizens.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pmThank You..
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