We can still make the People believe that this poor economy was Bush’s and the conservative Republican’s fault even though we own it!! The People are gullible and sheeples anyway.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html

He mentionons the wife of John Podesta as big health care lobbyist

Please ignore all 4 of my posts on this thread. Thank you.

Here’s a link for all of us…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

Viewer discretion advised.

What is so annoying is the three holier than thou progressives think they’re the only ones here who read and research other sites and news outlets and they need to keep the rest of us informed because we’re too stupid to do it ourselves. They think we’re as dumb as Rove thinks his followers are. What they don’t know is that many of the points they use to bash President Obama are skewed opinions that have been debunked on other outlets or explained by those more knowledgeable. I’m not saying that’s true on all subjects but on many of them. The problem is they post so much “naysaying” that it’s not worth it to point their error out every time. It’s easier to just tell them we’re not interested but that gives them the illusion of righteousness.

I noticed that too, particularly the bolded parts. I’d argue they *do* know their points are biased though, given the “sources” they’re “citing”.

But I don’t think that’s who he’s working for.

This from a man who received regular “debriefings” from his own personal smegma czar (AKA Jeff Gannon).
July 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!

Ooops, like Fox, you left out the salient three goading comments that your ‘zoo’ buddy threw at joe at # 27, #30, and #31. You really are a disingenuous, lying prick, Ralph.

“ralph the wonder locust Says: Plus they get to sneer at us for being “fake progressives” because we don’t measure up to their “more progressive than thou” standard.”

You’re a disingenuous prick, Ralph. Go crawl back to your little zoo buddies. The thread was civil until your little clique vomited onto the scene.

Switch to decaf, @sshole.

hanshiro the antlion Says:

Zooey, Ralph and DS clearly started egging on an element of incivity, mischaracterizing and even citing a false insult; basically acting as an attack/divisive little feedback clique.

Really? Here’s what our friend AJ said at 11:50:

Another Joe Says:
doodlebug – it’s possible that they have created a super-ray that will convert all the criminal repugs into peace-lovin’ hippies.

The endless speculation the, “its because of….” all based on thin error are not helpful.

Even if what you say it true, they need to know the public is attuned to the issues.

Holding politicians on BOTH sides accountable is what makes things happen.

Making up excuses and expecting them them to silence or replace a robust dialog is pretty stooooooooooopid – so don’t be surprised if we don’t all jump on board and proclaim your baseless speculation as “wisdom”.

(emphasis mine)
He followed it up with this at 11:53:

Another Joe Says:
Thye faux progressives are the ones that play into repug/neocons playbooks by trying to silence a meaningful dialog.

Obama is now saying the stimulus won’t “kick on” until next year. Biden and most economists doubt it will even happen then.

He needs to cover his @ss and protect his base by providing meaningful leadership, working for change, in all the areas posted here.

Faux progressives are the ones that deny that America’s progressive movement has a proud tradition and heritage of action. Its always been about more than cheerleading.

It has never been about “shut up and do what I say”.

Here’s my only comment to that point, at 11:42:

ralph the wonder locust Says:
Hey, let’s not jump to conclusions. perhaps KKKarl was praising President Obama.

After all, given KKKarl’s record and behavior, one must conclude that he thinks expanding presidential power and avoiding Congressional oversight are good things.

Here is Zooey’s only comment to that point, at 11:05:

Zooey Says:
Rove on Twitter reminds me of a gossipy, back-stabbing junior high mean girl…

But not quite as cute or charming

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Here was Shayne’s first comment, after AJ had posted three of the first six:

Doodlebug Shayne Says:
Another Joe Says:
I am still willing to give obama a chance

Oh good, I’m sure he’ll sleep better tonight.

Sarcastic? Absolutely. “An element of incivility”? Sure, if you’ve got an easily bruised ego.

Here is Shayne’s comment immediately preceding AJ’s post that I noted above:

Doodlebug Shayne Says:
Way to go faux progressives, you’re making Proud happy.

hanshiro can certainly place some blame on Shayne for setting off AJ this morning. Her sarcasm clearly struck a nerve that has been rubbed raw before — mainly because this is a familiar dynamic the last month or so.

But “egging on an element of incivility”? And how exactly did Zooey and I start that ball rolling?

Whatever. We all will see what we see. Lotsa time and energy got dumped into one more schoolyard brawl. “You’re a clique!” — “No, you’re a clique!” Great stuff. We should all be proud.

Obama has “signaled his disinclination” because, in my opinion, this is not the right time. As for his blocking email messages from being recovered, it may be because the Federal government already has those emails and needs them for its case.

If we wait and see, and Obama does not pursue this, we won’t be left behind and never know because we already know enough. The truth is out and you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

If we wait and see, and Obama does pursue this, it will be at a time of his choosing. I think Obama is a crafty enough politician to recognize that now is not the time.

I could very well be wrong, and Obama could let us all down. If so, we shouldn’t be surprised, the government of the United States is the laughing stock of the world. Our leaders are a disgrace and, although it might be seen as unpatriotic, we deserve it.

That was after your #64 where you were well on your way to ad hom attacks…no post substance addressed, just attack the poster and attempt to disrupt the thread.

You suck at “gotcha” DB…