GOP Responds To Cheney’s Concealment Of CIA Program With Strawmen And Shrugged Shoulders
GOP Responds To Cheney’s Concealment Of CIA Program With Strawmen And Shrugged Shoulders
Earlier this week, seven House Democrats on the Intelligence Committee released a letter revealing that CIA Director Leon Panetta had “recently testified to Congress that the agency concealed information and misled lawmakers repeatedly since 2001″ about an unidentified CIA operation that was an “on-again, off-again” effort until Panetta stopped it in June. The New York Times reports today that former Vice President Dick Cheney gave “direct orders” for the program to be concealed from Congress.
On the Sunday shows this morning, several Republican lawmakers attempted to defend or divert attention away from the revelation about Cheney. “I don’t think we should be jumping to any conclusions,” said Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) on ABC’s This Week. Kyl claimed that Cheney’s alleged actions were “not out of the ordinary”:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But this allegation of the vice president ordering it be kept secret, you believe that should be investigated?
KYL: Look, the president and the vice president are the two people who have responsibility, ultimately, for the national security of the country. It is not out of the ordinary for the vice president to be involved in an issue like this.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But to order it be kept secret?
KYL: What if it’s a top secret program? Of course he and the president would both be responsible for that. Let’s don’t jump to conclusions is what I’m saying.
On Fox News Sunday, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said that while he agrees that “the CIA should brief the Congress,” any mention of Cheney is just the Obama administration trying to “blame the Bush-Cheney administration” for everything. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he doesn’t “know whether it was appropriate,” but dismissed the concern by saying, “the CIA is in the secrecy business.”
Also on CNN, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) said that it “is wrong if somebody told the CIA not to inform the appropriate members of Congress,” but tried to cast the debate as an “attempt” by Democrats “to basically undermine the capacity to protect and develop intelligence.” Watch it:
On NBC’s Meet The Press, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said he doesn’t “know what the details of this are” and that Cheney “should obviously be heard from if the accusations are leveled in his direction.” “If I know Washington, this is the beginning of a pretty involved and detailed story,” said McCain, adding that he doesn’t know if there should be “a, quote, investigation.”
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What’s worse in the eyes of the GOP, A democratic president getting a BJ (because he can) or a republican administration undermining the Constitution and violating duly enacted LAWS (because they let them). INVESTIGATE these CRIMES before the GOP gets in power again.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pmWho was President for 8 years, Bush or Cheney?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pmTypical GOP bullsh!t.
If a Democrat had done this, they’d be screaming IMPEACHMENT and TREASON.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pmWhat the he!! is going on. The GOP are all over the place on Sunday morning TV. It’s like GOP fantasy news day today or something.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWhy bother asking any republican about another republican breaking the law?
You know they are just going to lie to you.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pmflight Says:
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Who was President for 8 years, Bush or Cheney?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
As if there’s any discernible difference between horseshit and dogshit………….
July 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm…said McCain, adding that he doesn’t know if there should be “a, quote, investigation.”
So glad this man didn’t end up as our, quote, president.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pmBTW
When is the MSM going to apologize to Nancy Pelosi and also demand that the garbage GOP do so ?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for that to occur…………
July 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pmWhy should we jump to conclusions? Just because Cheney is a worthless lying war criminal? Why should we jump to conclusions? Just because Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and the Republicans gave us eight years of torture, treason and tyranny?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pmWhy should we jump to conclusions?
lm945 Says:
Typical GOP bullsh!t.
If a Democrat had done this, they’d be screaming IMPEACHMENT and TREASON.
Hell they do that even if a Democrat did nothing ( which is unfortunately, usually the case on the Democrat side, they do nothing but cash lobbyist checks and worry about getting Republicans mad at them )
July 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pmWhat, us worry? Just us chickenhawks here, subverting everything to move forward to a glorious new day of redbaiting rePublican fascism. And apart from that, no comment, it’s all secret; sez so right here in Darth Cheney’s memo from his well known undisclosed location…
July 12th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThis is why the Obama administrations and dems need to hold these folks accountable, enabling Americans to see the what this party stands for.
Their “gee, sh!t happens” response is not going to fly, so we need to make them get out and constantly justify and/or excuse it.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:50 pmIt’s interesting that the Sunday talk shows don’t seem to be talking to any Democrats.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pmI think you would have too be extremely naive to think the GOOPers would recognize the total wrongness of this whole affair. Having said that if Obama tried such a despicable thing there would be no problem with a full throated cry for his head
July 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pmThe Unitary Executive answers to no one.
Perhaps the International Court of Justice should get involved.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmWhat? I don’t think the guy has shut his mouth for 5 seconds since they took his key to the CIA men’s room. Cheney knew this was coming (even if the leap-before-you-look crowd doesn’t think it came fast enough), and he’s been spinning ever since, along with his whelp. We’ve heard from Cheney, now it’s time to hear some facts…
July 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmSounds like instead of having some ’splainin’ to do, they’ve got some ‘ass coverin’ to do.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pmOn Fox News Sunday, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said that while he agrees that “the CIA should brief the Congress,” any mention of Cheney is just the Obama administration trying to “blame the Bush-Cheney administration” for everything.
How bizarre.
Since the program took place under Bush/Cheney, and apparently Cheney ordered the program to be kept secret, exactly how are we supposed to refer to him?
Voldemort? He Who Must Not Be Named…?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pmZooey @ #13: Amen. But do they ever on these issues?
And Another Joe – everyone already knows what you “think.”
July 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pmWhy is this surprising anymore? What we have is a total violation of our rights to privacy, our rights to due process, our rights to just about anything except to shut up and go shopping. This is not a party issue because elected officials are saying that 10-20 million U.S. citizens could be locked up for no apparent reason other than they are ” a potential problem.” To whom? The well-oiled gov’t paranoia machine? To the machinations of the police state using martial law and trumped charges to carry out their dirty work? Inquiring minds want to know befor they’re disappeared into some deep, dark hole-in-the-ground in southern Utah.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pmTypical republican BS. None of them have what it takes to support an investigation into Bushco. They know it is needed but are too chickensh!t to admit it. Their game plan is to continue to restate the CIA’s right to secrecy for purposes of national security and blame the dems for playing partisan politics. They live in an alternate reality in which they sell themselves as the keepers of morality and Christianity-pushers until it is time to publicly embrace these values. If McCain, Gregg, Kyl, and Cornyn have mastered anything during their political careers, it is the art of how to lie while keeping a straight face. It makes me wonder how much time they spend asking God for forgiveness. Time that could be used on working to solve our problems if they stopped lying about everything.
And they wonder why many Americans label them as hypocrites!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pmThe Moderate Squad Says:
Zooey @ #13: Amen. But do they ever on these issues?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Of course not. *sigh*
July 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pmKyl, Cornyn and Gregg….looks and smells like the three stooges again…what an act…
When the cuffs go “CLICK…CLICK…CLICK” around Bush and Cheeney’s wrists for their transport to the Hague, let’s wait and see if they are on the tarmac of Andrews AFB waving goodbye…If they are, the next plane is for them.
These are three of the biggest whiners in the GOP..I’m amazed Gramham and Lierberwocky weren’t there as well….
July 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pmOT – MUST SEE VIDEO
July 12th, 2009 at 1:01 pmKucinich Slams Right-Wing Healthcare “Expert”
Republicans are trying to spin this shyte because they know Cheney broke the law! Cheney overstepped his boundaries as the VP and they know this. I hope Holder has Bush and Cheney prosecuted ASAP!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:01 pmThese GOP turds all just spew out the same nonsensical crap about the Dems playing partisan politics with this issue while refusing to admit that keeping this program HIDDEN is without question all about partisan politics , as well as being highly illegal…………How do these dishonest and useless morons keep getting re-elected ?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pmArn Gunnutes, nice to see your signature again! How can ya mistake that format?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I scroll for posts that look like they are written to state a position, while “unorthodox”, your comments are worth a stop.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pmHere’s what I find so interesting about the GNOP’s Excusa-palooza: They were in charge! Cheney didn’t trust them with this information! The Dems didn’t become the majority in Congress until 2007, so Cheney chose not to include his own party leaders in what he was doing!
And they’re not even smart enough to realize just how much they were dissed by that criminal administration.
Can’t wait to see the information begin its inevitable trickle, trickle, trickle with respect to Cheney and his assassination squads.
PEACE
July 12th, 2009 at 1:09 pm…lest you end up BURNING for ETERNITY like Bush, Cheney, Rummy,
Can we bring pointy sticks to roast wienies and marshmallows on?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:10 pmJeffboste Says:
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Should Dick Cheney be Indicted?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5731
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Why is the above in the form of a question ?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pmmom – while you offer a legitimate point of view, the would never see it this way.
Criminals know that the less they know, the better. It helps give the plausible deniability.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pmIt looks like the Repubs are proving their own point once again: the federal government IS evil. Funny how that only seems to be the case, however, when they’re the ones in charge….
July 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pmWhat? Illegal operations? Illegal wiretapping? Illegal wars? Corruption of Justice? Of course that is just “witch-hunting” by Dems — these things don’t begin to compare with a stained blue dress!!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pmsnark/
Jeffboste, may a suggest linear regression?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThe repiggies are the Party of Stupid.
Why reward any of them with your vote?
They are all publicly pious hypocrites without a shred of human decency or humility.
If given the chance, they would approve the use of torture on American citizens here in this nation.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pmAfter all, Cheney did make an awful lot of trips out to CIA headquarters.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
When Diane Feinstein sat next to Cornin and explained the briefing Pannetta just had with her a few weeks ago and when Feinstein just said that Pannetta explained that this “program” wasn’t fully disclosed and that Cheney may have been ordering the CIA to lie to Congress…
… Is Cornin calling Feinstein a liar?
… Is Cornin calling Pannetta a liar?
… Because we all know he called Pelosi a liar.
Does Cornin think that the law does NOT matter?
Does Cornin think the Senate is subordinate to an Administration?
If this man was elected to “support and defend the Constitution of the USA…” he better START supporting the tenets of the law for which he was elected to do and STOP placating the notion that a President and his Vice President are above the law and that a well informed Senate is too much to ask for.
Dear Sen. Cornin,
The Law is clear, and you are not.
Be a leader and defender of THAT law or go pull a Palin!
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pmAnyone seen the Dick lately? or his spawn, Liz?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pmThey must have traveled to that “undisclosed location.”
If given the chance, they would approve the use of torture on American citizens here in this nation.
Don’t know why you are so sure they haven’t aready begun. How many remember Margie Schoedinger?
The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush
And then there’s the “suicide” (NOT) of the DC Madam that had the goods on cheney and the criminal cabal – hanging could be construed as murder, right?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:16 pmspencer’s mom @ #29: OUTSTANDING point. Yet the Reich still defend him…
July 12th, 2009 at 1:17 pmMarie – great point, was thinking about it the other day.
Either: Internal numbers and feedback indicated that liz was not going to be effective as a propaganda tool – she has no credibility or expertise to be talking about anything on a national or international level
Or: Their goal was to get out in front of this, “catapult some propaganda” and then slither away so as to appear unconcerned and above the fray.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pmNot meant as snark, but inquiring minds want to know…
Did Jesus use that kind of language too and was it redacted out of the bible by early translators?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:20 pmRemember, if it’s Sunday, it’s ‘Meet the Republicans’.
“Can we bring pointy sticks to roast wienies and marshmallows on?” – hehe, good one, joe. :)
July 12th, 2009 at 1:20 pmoops – meant “hanging could be construed as TORTURE, right?”
July 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThis is ridiculous. The hypocrisy of these comments is beyond the pale. If Bush/Cheney were dems they would be calling for special prosecutors, investigations, and public hangings.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pmwell, george will said something to the effect that the program wasn’t ever instituted anyway, so no matter…
he was reading from WaPo, i think…
July 12th, 2009 at 1:22 pmOops,
I guess my rant need context…
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/12/feinstein-cia-program-was-outside-the-law/
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm.
Dear Sen. Judd,
If we’re in a war of intelligence, why the hell are you defending a CIA that lies to the Senate? THAT I find demoralizing.
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pmAnother Joe #42,
Since it’s possible to post anything on the internet, and I hadn’t heard anything about this story before, is it true? Are there other sources?
As for the topic of this thread.
Hang Them All.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pmWhy is it that these “news shows” constantly ask the same despicably partisan and moronic GOP tools to be on , too ?
Senator Cornhole and Herman Munster Kyl are a pair of the biggest d-bags on the planet………..
July 12th, 2009 at 1:30 pm.
Funny,
Sen Kyl thinks being left in the dark is a Patriotic thing to do.
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:33 pmKYL: Look, the president and the vice president are the two people who have responsibility, ultimately, for the national security of the country. It is not out of the ordinary for the vice president to be involved in an issue like this.
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Excuse me, only the President has the legal responsibility to make these decisions. I believe it to be an extraordinary first in this country’s history to have a Vice President assume so much control from the President.
One possibility is they discovered that George Bush was so incompetent to be President that Cheney had to step in. If this is the case, the public should have made the selection for President, not Cheney and the Republican Party. I swear this sounds too much like the Reagan scenario in the 80’s.
Who was running the country?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pmRich – the death of the woman that files lawsuit against bush is well documented in the mainstream media, but is officially being identified as a “suicide” – shotgun to head I believe (something women virtually NEVER do)
The DC Madam’s “suicide” certainly did save a lot of @ss in washington, and we are suppose to believe that she went to her mother’s house to do it – in the garage. Guess it was a family thing? /snark
Shortly before her death, she made specific statements that if she suddenly died, it would not be an accident or anything – it would be murder.
Then there is also the case of a cocaine/drug dealer that ended up in prison before 2000 – don’t rememember name nor details. Think he said was beaten and abused. I am sure this ran in Rolling Stones as a full-feature, some national publication. It is largely buried down the memory hole now, probably some intense googling would dig info up.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pmflight – are you saying that perhaps being in a constant drunk drug-induced stupor rendered him enable to carry out duties?
Please check out THIS link – dude is seriously f@cked up and about to hurl, looks like puten is gettin’ out of the way and pointing to where chimpy should direct his projectile vomiting.
And who could forget this one!
Anyone else have any links for a sh@tgface “decider”?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pm***
ot,
creationist nut bar appointed to
head texas state board of education.
:|
heckuva job, ricky.
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July 12th, 2009 at 1:44 pmpickles looks pretty f@cked up in that photo too
July 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pmCan you file their excuses under bs?
I would like to know what repugs knew about the CIA concealment.
Why is breaking the law concealed?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:50 pmJoe,
I knew of the others, but I didn’t know of the rape case.
He was totally f’d up during the olympics. There should be dozens of him floating around. Of course needing help to stand up so he doesn’t tumble over the people in front is pretty priceless.
Overall wondering about the intellectual capacity of the GOP, is it possible we could get them to take an IQ test as a prerequisite to running for office?
No more the earth is 6,000 years old, no global warming, it’s o.k. for the pres. to break the law etc…
July 12th, 2009 at 1:54 pmNotice the defensiveness of every single Republican quoted here today. The next step will be to listen to Rush Limbaugh to see how to turn this around into attack mode. By the middle of next week the Republicans will be on the attack on this blaming Nancy Pelosi.
I did notice that CIA friendly Jane Harmon is now going after the lies the CIA told her in order to keep this program secret from her and the Congress.
The Republicans should be happy overall. After all, this Cheney/CIA story knocked the John Ensign bribery story off the news cycle.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pmThe GOP? You mean the Lost Patrol, don’t you? Because, uh, the GOP is a myth. Pass it on.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pmClassic.
McCain: “I’d like to know the facts of the case before there is an investigation”.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pmWhat, exactly, does McCain think an “investigation” IS?? How are we to understand the facts if not for an investigation??
Wait until the 2nd Obama term, the Republicans will have much to fear. Lets get this country fixed, then we can punish those responsible.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:07 pmAnd the best photos of chimpy all f@cked up have him oogling and even patting the @sses of women volleyball team
Of course, the lying liars that wanted to smear Obama with misleading still frames from a video, pretending it showed him oogling a young women’s @ss, wouldn’t cover it back then.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:08 pmTo boil it down…
“We just don’t know. But we shouldn’t investigate to find out.”
July 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pmOh there are plenty that claim to know. Just ask em. Actually you don’t even need to ask. They will announce it…
July 12th, 2009 at 2:27 pmWell, what the program? Undermining democratic countries around the globe and replacing them with someone who will do the will of the US? Thereby controlling every square inch of the planet?
How close am I?
July 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pmWhatever the problem is it’s all the Democrats fault. LOL! Why does CNN etc. even bother bringing in these clowns. All they have to do is replay the same tired old response.
Just make a generic video of the GOP cabal blaming Democrats for everything and replay it for every issue.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm#57 Another Joe,
And there is the death of Mike Connell.
He is the GOP IT guru who was about to testify about stealing votes for the GOP and died in a plane crash. He was an excellent pilot…I will go to my grave knowing this was a murder.
Well, here’s link to get you started:
http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=403
Follow the whole story and you will be convinced this is a murder.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pmAnother Joe Says:
This is why the Obama administrations and dems need to hold these folks accountable, enabling Americans to see the what this party stands for.
Their “gee, sh!t happens” response is not going to fly, so we need to make them get out and constantly justify and/or excuse it.
Do you expect President Obama to solve all of chimpy’s disasters in one year, in four years?
It’s gonna take years (more than 2 terms) to make a dent in chimpy’s rouge legacy.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pmGame,
The indefinite detention policy Obama proposes is not about fixing dents. Nay, it’s a bigger dent! And that’s just a starter. How is this the right direction to start fixing dents? By underscoring the necessity to retain said dents?
Sure, it’s gonna take years to fix…
July 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm… But in two years, Obama will still be defending the necessity to keep that dent. And in four? Will he then have to backtrack and flip/flop on indefinite detention policy HE put in place?
On NBC’s Meet The Press, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said he doesn’t “know what the details of this are” and that Cheney “should obviously be heard from if the accusations are leveled in his direction.”
Senator McCain (if I should still call you that),
Please explain which “details” would excuse the Vice President’s illegal actions? And if they do as you suggest and “hear from” the former Vice President, would his answers be under oath, and subject to prosecution for perjury if he lies (again)?
July 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pmoh yeah, dixie – he could have unravelled it all!
July 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pmI find it incredible:
* Gop with no power are allowed to be out there in the media, in lock step
* The GOP either believe the nonsense or think the public is too stupid to believe other wise.
* With all this, they are going to bring on Palin – because in their minds she is sexy and entertaining and will be able to distract.
Is Big Pharma delivering enough drugs to pull this off?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pmhad enough – 2 words
propaganda works
July 12th, 2009 at 3:19 pmGame of Life – no sh!t sherlock, not the point. Point is, he needs to provide real change to keep progressive/liberals working for him and giving him 100 percent support.
He can’t control many things, but what he advocates for he can. For example, the public overwhelmingly want universal coverage, they took single payor off the table, but many would be pleased with a public option. He needs to keep in front of this.
Allowing others to seek accountability for previous administration’s crimes might give him just enough political distance to stay above it, yet still differentiate himself from the repugs and maintain his progressive/liberal base.
He could quit issuing signing statements and writing “friend of the court” briefs to enable further coverup and block discovery.
These are the issues that will “buy him time”. It’s not about whether the mess will turn around in 4 or 8 years, its seizing the moment to also achieve what CAN be accomplished.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:24 pmhad enough – the real opiate of the mass is TV, though radio, newspaper, and some web-based media can be just as intoxicating.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pmBREAKING NEWS YOU WILL ALL WANT TO KNOW:
(yeah, OT)
LaToya Jackson says Michael was murdered
July 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
the desire to belong is the real somma…
July 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThat ol’ wingnut “logic”.
Don’t investigate unless the guilty have confessed.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:29 pmDon’t negotiate without a previous agreement.
Don’t allow a vote until everyone has revealed how they’ll vote.
Don’t introduce facts that contradict preconceptions.
Question? Why are no News Media during a story the very strange church that Sen. Ensign, Gov. Sanford are members? “C-STREET CHURCH”, in Washington, DC
I checked the Washington Post, and other blogs, “NOTHING”.
It was on “COUNT DOWN” with Keith Oberman last week.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:41 pm.
Shill, David Gregory couldn’t think to ask McCain, “How does one discover these facts?”
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July 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pmaustininc4,
July 12th, 2009 at 3:46 pmhttp://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/11/c-street-group-tied-to-ensign-is-linked-to-yet-another-secretive-group/
Because what passes for news sux!
Facts are obtained THROUGH INVESTIGATION.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pmMcSenile can’t think straight, and the fawning Gregory lets it pass unquestioned.
austininc4,
July 12th, 2009 at 3:51 pmBecause Sarah was vetted by the “Family”?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/19/11298/8703/326/602757
Santo Gnende…
July 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm… FLAGGED
She a super freak, super freak…
July 12th, 2009 at 3:57 pmAnother Joe Says:
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flight – are you saying that perhaps being in a constant drunk drug-induced stupor rendered him enable to carry out duties?
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Ah Joe, this is a little harsh, he is a Bush. You know the “Americian Royal Family”
But yea, exactly!!!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pmI have to go along with Cheney on this one. During the Bush Administration Cheney paid Law Makers and Media/Press to do as he said. He knew this group were idiots and would do as their told. Look how quickly Speaker Pelosi got the job and said ” Impeachment of off the table”. She knew all the crimes that were being committed but her husband got contracts to keep her in line. The United Nations should be charging Bush/Cheney as War Criminals and the US is to weak and no back bone to stand up for the people. Sure some say President Obama should bring charges with with Law Makers, Judges and people who are sheep both Bush/Cheney would get off.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:03 pmJackie,
Granted, those charged with oversight and accountability lack the gumption to actually do their job, but when you say you agree with Cheney, are you saying that because Congress abdicates their Constitutional Role, all bets are off for the Republic and all Laws be damned…
… Let the US Administration make up their rules as they go?
Or am I missing why you would go along wit Cheney on this one?
You wish for accountability from the world court…
… But side with Cheney for his lawlessness.
Am I confused?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pmYes! How dare you blame Vice President Cheney for something Vice President Cheney did?
I’m guessing that this was probably first term which means, based on the law of averages, that it was Bill Clinton’s fault. Any transgressions after the 2004 elections will be assigned to prophetic visions of the coming Obama juggernaut, though also graded on the 2006 midterm curve.
You should all be ashamed.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:44 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
Game,
The indefinite detention policy Obama proposes is not about fixing dents. Nay, it’s a bigger dent! And that’s just a starter. How is this the right direction to start fixing dents? By underscoring the necessity to retain said dents?
Sure, it’s gonna take years to fix…
… But in two years, Obama will still be defending the necessity to keep that dent. And in four? Will he then have to backtrack and flip/flop on indefinite detention policy HE put in place?
We don’t know what the last lying, corrupted admin has gotten us into. President Obama is making positive changes. He’s moving ahead. He hasn’t been allowed to fill his cabinet positions because of the teabaggers’ partisanship.
Remember chimpy did things lawlessly while President Obama is following the law.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pmDOES JOHN MCCAIN HAVE A COT SET UP IN THE MEET THE PRESS STUDIO!!! WTF!!
July 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pmMax when someone pays those in a position of checks and balances to do as they say and don’t ask questions you have to admit what’s the fuss. I remember a few questions asked but our Law Makers fronted for the Bush Administration. Remember how the New York Times almost reported the news but was stopped. Now how many Law Makers stood up to the Bush Administration? Most folded like Speaker Pelosi and Feinstein. Reid was so far up the Bush/Cheney team I didn’t see him. Lieberman even kissed Bush so what’s that about. Look we have seen and read Evil Leaders who have sheep as followers and that’s what Cheney had as some were paid and others just wanted to be an insider. When we are represented by Law Makers who work for citizens of their State this wouldn’t happen. I mean these guys/girls are all over Obama like gravy on rice. Yes most are just angry but they all listening to what Obama is saying and watching what he does. Yes Obama is fast like that mouse but the GOP is doing it’s best to keep up.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmWould it be safe to say david gregory is directly under the bus, today?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmpikaomega,
July 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pmBest snark of the day…
… I’ve been shamed.
Tyrants will always find pretexts for tyranny!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pmJackie,
That Congress abdicated their Constitutional Role is NOT the debate here. I agree that they did not do their jobs and continue to defend their ability to continue not doing their job.
My question was how can you side with Cheney on this one?
Just because Congress was impotent does not make it acceptable for the Administration to take advantage of the situation and circumvent the Law.
I’m not sure I follow you on this…
… It’s not robbing a bank until you get caught?
Or am I confused?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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I would say he is off quite a few guest lists!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pmGame,
July 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pmI don’t doubt we’re just scratching the surface and probably never will uncover all, that was not my point. Simply put…
… I guess it’s not denying Due Process when Obama does it?
When GOP members complain about someone else’s sexual indiscretions, they are having affairs.
When GOP members complain about homosexuals, they are picking up men in airport bathrooms.
When GOP members are defending the criminal actions of other GOP members, they are currently participating in criminal activities themselves.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:09 pmQuestion? Why are no News Media during a story the very strange church that Sen. Ensign, Gov. Sanford are members? “C-STREET CHURCH”, in Washington, DC
Heaven forbid if the corporate media were to expose their mouth piece and loyal supporters of other corporate giants intertwined in the mix… such as defense, insurance, Big Pharma.
The corporate powers that be would love to see a GOP take over = more war, no more silly talk of a public health care plan, more media control for increased propaganda ….
July 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pmAnd then the next truth would have to be faced…
Without the theft of the 2004 Prez. election the very first prez in history waging a war and to run for a second term would have been badly beaten into the ground!!!!
GW Botch would have been the very prez removed from office while fighting a war…
That’s the definition of a real, born-to-lose loser!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThis is how the GOP keeps getting into power – they lie, steal, kill and wipe their arses with the Constitution until America gets sick of them and boots them out. Then the left pisses and moans because everything doesn’t get fixed immediately, turning the moderates back to the right, and next thing you know the scum once again rises to the top (see how happy you’ll be with President Palin or some similar crook).
I voted for Obama because he is thoughtful and measured in his responses and because I like having a president who is smarter than the lesser primates. And he’s damn sure smarter than the “progressive” panicky hand-wringing conspiracy theorists who don’t realize that to do things correctly and legally takes time…
July 12th, 2009 at 5:19 pmCheney receives exceptional protection
Sorry folks – obama is looking more and more like an @sshole each day…
July 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pmmod – selling us out with signing statements, secrecy, writing friend of the court briefs in behalf of the crimes of previous administration…
When obama says one thing in the fall and does something completely different in his first one-hundred days, it is not a matter of waiting for enough “time”.
I will give him “time” to get things done – but won’t give him a FREE PASS when he does exactly the opposite of what he ran on.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWell Joe,
To be fair, Obama knows why Cheney deserves extra-exceptional protection. But that begs a larger question…
… What has Cheney done that requires this extra-exceptional protection?
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July 12th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
July 12th, 2009 at 5:46 pmBAA BAA Go(shee!)P — just following their herder,
Little Boy Cheney.
None of this is about giving obama more “time” and being “patient” – its about what he does NOW versus what he said as a candidate.
* Significantly expand the reach and intensity of imperial violence (replete with the mass slaughter of civilians and the related escalation of targeted assassinations) in South Asia.
* Promote a notorious assassin and death-squad leader (Lt. General Stanley A McChrystal – former chief of the military’s special Joint Special Operations Command) to the position of Commander of U.S. Forces in the newly merged “Af-Pak” war theater.
* Sustain the criminal occupation of Iraq beneath rhetoric of withdrawal.
* Increase “defense” (empire) spending, consistent with the following statement in a report issued by the leading Wall Street investment firm Morgan Stanley one day after Obama’s presidential election victory: “As we understand it, Obama has been advised and agrees that there is no peace dividend.”
* Revive military commissions.
* Continue the practice of renditions.
* Maintain secret prisons for persons “held on a short-term, transitory basis.”
* Continue the unspeakable torture of prisoners by an “extrajudicial terror squad” (Jeremy Scahill’s description of the Pentagon’s sadistic “Immediate Reaction Force” in Cuba) at Guantanamo Bay.
* Advance the policy of “indefinite detention” (potentially permanent incarceration) for Guantanamo prisoners for whom no legally compelling evidence can be marshaled.
* Intimidate [Britain] (with a threat to withhold intelligence data on potential terrorist attacks!) into preventing a Guantanamo victim from having his day in court on the Bush administration’s torture practices.
* Sustain the Bush administration’s abrogation of habeas corpus rights in regard to the roughly 600 “enemy combatants” kept at the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan (where people rendered out of other countries like Yemen and England can be considered “war [-zone]” prisoners!.
* Advance nauseatingly specious legal and moral arguments (”better to look forward than backward”) to prevent serious federal investigation of the Bush administration’s human rights crimes.
* Sustain George W. Bush’s domestic wiretapping program.
* Invoke the “state secrets” (akin to the divine right of kings) doctrine to prevent disclosure of evidence in response to lawsuits emerging from Bush era rendition and surveillance policies.
* Suppress photographic evidence of U.S. torture practices.
* Justify all this and more in the name of the supposed “global war on terror” that was supposedly launched in legitimate defense against the supposedly unprovoked jetliner attacks of September 11, 2001.
* Disregard qualified progressive defenders of civil liberties and human rights from consideration for appointment to succeed Supreme Justice David H. Souter and to thereby counter the hard right leanings of the court’s conservative majority.
* Send clear signals of intent to roll back and partially privatize Social Security and Medicare benefits.
* Betray campaign pledges to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to insert stronger labor and environmental protections.
* Betray campaign pledges of serious intent to advance an elementary and overdue labor law reform (the Employee Free Choice Act).
* Force and approve an automobile industry re-structuring that drastically cuts domestic autoworkers’ jobs, wages and benefits while subsidizing General Motors’ further shifting of jobs abroad.
* Advance a tepid, business-friendly health care “reform” that leaves the leading parasitic insurance corporations (major campaign sponsors of his) in power.
* “Methodically erase single-payer advocates from the picture” (Glen Ford) of health care reform despite the fact that a majority of Americans have long favored a single-payer (”Medicare for all”) health insurance system.
* Spend trillions of federal dollars on taxpayer handouts to giant Wall Street firms who spent millions on his campaign and who drove the economy over the cliff. Obama’s Wall Street bailout rejects the elementary bank nationalizations and public financial restructuring that are required to put the nation’s credit system on a sound and socially responsible basis, choosing instead to guarantee the financial, insurance, and real estate industries’ toxic, hyper-inflated assets while keeping existing Wall Street management in place. It amounts to a giant effort to “keep perpetrators afloat” (liberal economist James Gailbraith) through a scheme in which the government takes more than 90 percent of the risk but private investors reap at least half the reward.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pmThe Moderate Squad Says:
I voted for Obama because he is thoughtful and measured in his responses and because I like having a president who is smarter than the lesser primates. And he’s damn sure smarter than the “progressive” panicky hand-wringing conspiracy theorists who don’t realize that to do things correctly and legally takes time…
July 12th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Exactly, Mod.
And with all the shit President Obama was left to clean up, it may take even more time than we would hope. It’s a process, and nothing in regard to government moves quickly — no matter who’s president.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pmWhy do I bother to even argue with people who think the sky is falling? Fine – keep ignoring the practical realities of running this country, and when whoever Rupert Murdoch decides to anoint becomes the next president we can thank the people who Obama disappointed because he didn’t live up to their projections.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmMod, it’s my guess that he hasn’t lived on the earth long enough to understand how things work. It’s obviously he doesn’t know how to give others credit for the plagiarizes.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pmMy god, they do not even try and fake it anymore. I’d be surprised if any member of the GOP actually stated that they believe in the constitution anymore. How can a “conservative” openly state that a VP or his lawyer can determine who gets information on congressional oversight responsibilities. How pathetic our country has become. We are indeed a nation where men matter over laws. The Democrats in congress and the media are complicit unless they investigate and prosecute.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pmHow can ANYONE defend this? Keeping horrific secrets from the country? And they hope it won’t affect Cheney’s record?? Too late, you liars. Cheney’s only record is a bunch of lies, deceit, torture, war-mongering, fear-mongering, attacks on American citizens, & lies, lies, lies. The only one who has affected Cheney’s record/”legacy” is Cheney himself, with all his negativity, hatred, & anti-Constitution garbage. We, the people, recognize Cheney for the lying, war-promoter he is. The fact he continues to lie & defend his lies makes him even more reprehensible.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pmSeems the gallery needs no guitar players …
July 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm.
Whereas some prefer to play Follow the Leader…
… America was founded on Following the Rule of Law.
Sure, I’ll give President Obama all the time he needs to catch up to the promises of Candidate Obama. But the question remains…
… Will he?
Due Process is still denied under President Obama’s future plans for those at Gitmo. How funny that all the time in the world will not make that missing Due Process happen.
And of course, Candidate Obama showed his hand in regards to the Fifth Amendment…
… Constitutional Obama should have disagreed RIGHT THERE and THEN. But that moment was filled with magic and hope and smoke and mirrors and dreams of “yes, we can” all so that we could forget that this was a signal to his beltway crowd, “I will not abandon you”.
There is a saying in the parts where I come from…
… PAST PERFORMANCE IS INDICATIVE OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE.
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July 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pmmerica was founded on the bullshit they preached in elementary school and some folks wish to use when it beenfits them. Other times they just wanna b itch about it…Anybody that claims to know the mind of some dead dudes as it applies to the current world is just masking their own agenda…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pmmax, I would be more understanding of flagging santo if Z herself wasn’t such a flamer, often hurling similar comments at others – I just scroll by those now, but just saying…
do you flag those too?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pmShe’s a superfreak, superfreak… She’s super freaky…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pmat others and at pretenders….
July 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pmThe Moderate Squad,
Ideals are something worth striving for, especially when those ideals are for the benefit of everyone…
… I’m sticking to mine. Chastise me/us for it if you wish. But do so knowing that the ideals of equality, life, and liberty are abandoned to make you correct.
In short:
I guess it’s NOT indifferent detention when Obama supports it?
I guess it’s NOT warrantless wiretaps when Obama supports it?
I guess it’s NOT …
… Oh nevermind.
Party Loyalty trumps all.
The Republicans are no different.
Too bad Democrats fail to distinguish themselves from the crowd.
Sorry continue on.
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July 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pmI hope the DOJ is not waiting for Republican approval here, because i don’t think the Republicans are going to survive this.
There are going to be democrats involved in the story but do be it. They better not start whining about “chilling effects” either at this point because the place is on fire.
The Bush cabal has dropped their pretence. They’re in full uniform now that they’ve been exposed, arm bands and all. Behold.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pmAfter 8 years of bush, it’s astonishing that people are ignoring such travesties as “preventative detention” and seemingly pretending that there’s some “chessmaster” myth to cling to.
There’s no excusing ‘preventative detention’ as a necessity under any circumstances, nor is there any excuse for ‘telecom immunity’ which excuses and derails any future investigation.
Meanwhile, information continues to emerge about how ridiculously illegal it all was…pity, thanks to candidate Obama, we cannot prosecute and investigate all that illegality; and those who are outraged are just “whiners.” Eh?
“Look to the future…”
July 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pmHere’s my take on the Cheney/CIA secrecy:
Cheney ordered CIA program kept secret
July 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pmPrememptive Response: To those that will say, “but obama made clear he was not going to support single payor in the primaries”
Valid point, however, NONE of the candidates that the party got behind were going to fight for single payer – the few that even talked about it were mercilessly run out of the process!
That is not obama’s fault, I guess, but it does say something about the party and the process that systematically denied meaningful choices on a critical issue.
Choose to disagree if you wish, but progressives should have a right to talk about it freely. Single payer is the overwhelming choice among those that identify themselves liberal or progressive.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:16 pmwelcome, hanshiro the antlion
While there are many great voices in this thread, I always appreciate yours.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pmBTW, Joe, well said on #114. Couldn’t agree more; with all those blazing red flags, it’s amazing that what I view as the ‘give him time’ canard is still run up the flagpole….
July 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pmJoe,
I flag trolls.
… and racists, homophobes, and Bush supporters.
I think that’s it.
What you and Zooey do is well…
… GET A ROOM!!!
Sorry, but it’s almost like an orgasm between you two…
… Really. You stimulate her, she does you in return.
You two really should use the free market system and charge admission…
… But hey, it’s a free freak show. What can I say?
You want me to take sides?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pmThen I choose the side that says you both know what you are doing and both know how to resolve it…
… Between the two of you. Please leave me out of the squabble.
Bush, Cheney and their boys don’t give a rats ass about the people and their “rules”.
They are going to “make” history alright, just like they knew they would. It’s up to the people whether the people write that history or the bush cabal writes it for us.
Before this is finished those medals of honor Bush handed out need to be taken back, as inappropriate use of medals.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:21 pmPerhaps hillary had a better take on healthcare, but I don’t think bill was such a great president, squandered the best opportunities in his administration and then gave the repugs his dildo to beat the entire party over the head with.
And, evidently, they will continue to do it for many more generations to come.
I don’t know if she could have beaten mclame (bet palin would not have been VP), but I did not want to see an unbroken string of bush-clinton-bush-clinton
Far too creepy, with the appearance of a junta takeover.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pmmax – don’t know, don’t read the posts, but don’t be dishonest about it, not just me she flames
But doesn’t really matter – they have their own little blog to retreat to and slander whomever, like the kids that snicker in the back of the classroom, failing the tests, but thinking they are at the head of the class.
Don’t see what she posts anymore cuz there is no reason to and the broken text format of that crew is easy to spot and scroll over – no need to even read handles.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pmSanto Gnende…
… FLAGGED!
TROLL PROVACATEUR.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pm“Give him time” is just a red herring.
Yeah, we all know that some things will happen in the future.
WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED!
July 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pmFunny how the basic principles of social behavior apply no matter what the environment. Still some are will never be alpha males no matter what allegiances they try to create
July 12th, 2009 at 6:27 pmBush and Cheney are so bad, they should be on display at wax museums in house of horrors, bandits, and villians. Cheney would be waterboarding a detainee while Bush stands behind him wringing his hands with glee. Screw the Bush presidential library.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:27 pmObama And Michelle Ask Progressive Groups For Help Driving White House Agenda
Even when the Obama’s say it themselves, a few, a minority here, take anything that questions what they do as an attack – clearly, they said otherwise.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pmAnother Joe Says:
max – don’t know, don’t read the posts, but don’t be dishonest about it, not just me she flames
But doesn’t really matter – they have their own little blog to retreat to and slander whomever, like the kids that snicker in the back of the classroom, failing the tests, but thinking they are at the head of the class.
Don’t see what she posts anymore cuz there is no reason to and the broken text format of that crew is easy to spot and scroll over – no need to even read handles.
You’re a class act, all right. It’s beautiful how you avoid flaming anyone — directly. So much easier just to make snotty comments about others and then refuse to read any response.
You can slander people right here, without having to go to your nonexistent blog to do so.
Real class.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:29 pm140. dbadass Says: Funny how the basic principles of social behavior apply no matter what the environment. Still some are will never be alpha males no matter what allegiances they try to create
“Attack the poster, not the post.”
Man, am I tired of that record….
July 12th, 2009 at 6:30 pmcome on, max, he is not the only provocateer here, flag if you wish, but his remarks never result in a 300+ thread flame war.
Z herself has posted apologies to the initial TP posters for doing it, but that doesn’t stop her from doing it again.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:30 pmfailing what tests? Last time I checked this was a 4.0 situation….
July 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pmAs we learned from the rabid clinton bashers, the previous administration, and the wingnut pundits including rush limpballs, “attack the person and not the message” is the last resort of people that have nothing to say.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
140. dbadass Says: Funny how the basic principles of social behavior apply no matter what the environment. Still some are will never be alpha males no matter what allegiances they try to create
“Attack the poster, not the post.”
Man, am I tired of that record….
And yet you never criticize your bff for doing exactly that, over and over.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pmHow can you be tired of the very behaviors which define hominids?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pmSome of us could stand to do some reading about the “preventive detention” flap. As I understand the formal proposal, which is still a first draft, it’s designed to form a process to adjudicate cases that don’t fit into existing frameworks. Specifically, it’s an attempt to adjudicate the botched cases inherited from Bushco without the legitimately dangerous option of releasing people who may very well be guilty.
A few other things to keep in mind are:
Appointees are still being blocked and Bushbots still infest the government which means that most anything initiated at this point will depend on political enemies for implementation. The “dog-work” of the government is still being carried out by Regent U grads. Obama is still assembling a new government and that, to me, should continue to be his very first priority.
Then there’s the fact that we are in a financial crises the likes of which most living people have never seen. It’s difficult to justify making long range plans when no one knows what the economy will be like in two months, much less two years. Frankly, I think it’s irresponsible to make long range commitments without the relevant data.
Thirdly. Obama has to temper his personal actions to avoid turning the radical right from hateful screech-monkeys into mass murdering insurrectionists.
And finally, the biggest weapon the Reichwhiners have doesn’t even garner a blip in the media. They still have control of the Supreme Court. Anything that can be seen as an edict from Obama can be challenged in court, and will likely be turned down by the Court if it’s not air-tight.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pmIf the poster has been showed to be a pretender than why pay any attention to the post unless of course the agenda is more inportant to you than your dignity. Which is it?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:35 pm148. gummble-bee-itch Says: And yet you never criticize your bff for doing exactly that, over and over.
GBI, the little zoo buddies have a track record of disrupting threads when they rudely elbow their way into a thread. I’ve watched several do it repeatedly.
Where’s your outrage?…Oh, right…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:36 pm148:
July 12th, 2009 at 6:37 pmJekyll/Hyde Syndrome…
151.dbadass Says: If the poster has been showed to be a pretender than why pay any attention to the post unless of course the agenda is more inportant to you than your dignity. Which is it?
Who are you to determine who is worthy? Either agree, disagree, cite your sources and evidence or scroll past. Presently, you add nothing but rock-throwing from behind your dumpster.
The blog would benefit immensely from banning the little ‘zoo-buddies.’
July 12th, 2009 at 6:38 pmSeems that was intended to be a non answer to a real question…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:40 pmSo you can talk to yourself? Who are you to define anything? My goals go beyond faux progressivism…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pmOT
July 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pmpete have you seen Northern Wheatear by any chance?
pete, thanks for stating a reasonable case for your perspectives and not flaming or insulting anyone that sees things different – very constructive post.
I have 3 replies:
1. Speculating that this is all “strategy” if you want, little evidence to support it giving the larger context of issues, but your perogative. Even if it were true, however, he still needs progressives keeping these issues on the radar for when the time is right to take action – thanks for not being insulting about this and accepting the views of other progressives.
2. I would turn your point about the financial crisis around 180 degrees – this is precisely why he needs to differentiate himself from the repugs NOW and keep the largest block of his base intact. He will need us throughout this term and to win the next one. He and Michelle have acknowledged that.
3. There is no evidence that not seeking change when he can justifiably claim a mandate and hoping that somehow prevents the shrill voices and SCOTUS challenges you refer to is not what we are seeing now or what we will see in the future. Assuming we can “play nice” with this crowd and get anything back in return is wishful thinking (being diplomatic about it)
July 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pmAnother Joe,
This is in address to the way you address others…
they have their own little blog to retreat to…etc.
… Is this ubiquitous “they” not allowed a blog?
I was going to highlight other times when you insinuate other “put-downs” at Zooey and call her names and such, and I’m sure Zooey does it back. But when you claim she does it and come crying, “It’s unfair” do so knowing that your hands are clean, you don’t use “put downs” and stereotypes to make a point. Do so knowing that you ARE being singled out and NOT provoking it.
Both of you, stay classy.
We are all on the same side, really.
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July 12th, 2009 at 6:45 pmhanshiro the antlion – have you ever gone over to their little blog and seen how they “circle the wagon” when they get called on their crap here?
Same small group with nothing constructive to say – but they go and post the crap over there for a while – Its funny, but since I don’t read any other their posts anymore, don’t bother to visit anymore.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:45 pmIt so amusing to me…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:47 pm#145 Joe…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:47 pm… Need I repeat last nights channelling of WAYNEBRO?
max – I will give them back what I choose and you can say what you want, won’t matter.
Of course, since I don’t read that little clique’s posts anymore, have little to say back.
Point is – make a big deal about flaggin’ santo if you want. If I choose to point out he is actually one of the lest disruptive trolls, I will.
And you can pound your keyboard about it until your little fingernails fall off if you want.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:47 pmAnd you can pound your keyboard about it until your little fingernails fall off if you want.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pmLike you?
Sorry…
… You fill that role quite well.
Geez…make one comment about Another Joe plagiarizing and TP gets the full water works.
Ok, AJ. That’s two comments directed at you on this thread. I know you’re keeping count. You can post 12 more whining about me “flaming.”
Hmmmmmm, this is dilemma. AJ says he doesn’t read my comments…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pmThe question of Cheney’s activities is fair debate and one I believe needs to be investigated. Just a question for a few reasonable people out there. Does anyone really listen to this another Joe? Do you really go along with his morbid conspiracy theories and wacky websites he sends you to?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pmand you can pretend to make eco jewelery until your fingers fall off but since you really don’t do that it isn’e likely now is it. If you wish to influence people’s minds yoiu have to start with integrity…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pmtim.ned Says:
Does anyone really listen to this another Joe? Do you really go along with his morbid conspiracy theories and wacky websites he sends you to?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Who? ;)
July 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pmPersonally, I’d prefer to stick to issues. Progressives benefit from passionate people, and yes, passions run high. That doesn’t mean anyone should be a doormat either.
That being said, the trend of calling motives into question, suggesting two or three or several profiles are fake, or predetermining someone’s intentions rather than answering the issues raised only detracts from tackling the issues.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pmJust our of curiosity – does anyone know how to determine readability statistics?
There are several methods – I will challenge anyone to do this. Take some of the posts here, representing the comments of whomever you like.
Copy and paste them into word and then:
On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Spelling & Grammar tab.
Select the Check grammar with spelling check box.
Select the Show readability statistics check box, and then click OK.
On the Standard toolbar (toolbar: A bar with buttons and options that you use to carry out commands. To display a toolbar, press ALT and then SHIFT+F10.), click Spelling and Grammar Button image.
You will see the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level
I personally, choose not to read anything that is below a middle school reading level, but read what you want.
Of course, you do not need a computer to recognize language on the order of:
July 12th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
hanshiro the antlion – They learn their lessons from rush and oliely well. But I would probably read what those two right because they at least know how to use the language.
Funny thing is, the crowd that writes at a 5th grade level doesn’t even get that others can see this.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm170.Another Joe Says: There are several methods – I will challenge anyone to do this. Take some of the posts here, representing the comments of whomever you like.
I have a Mac. That projects a native intelligence even without measures…
;-)
July 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pmSucks to be called out as a fake I suppose. It sort of calls into questions one’s judgement and intentions. Dodging falsehoods doesn’t make them go away.I prefer to discuss real issues with real people not pretenders and posers. See honesty and integrity are progressive values. Lying and pretending aren’t…
July 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pmI usually only “flame” those who display a lack of logic and manners. But I must point out that I’ve never claimed to be a progressive or liberal. I am very much a moderate and I abhor extremism in any form. Though I have come to the conclusion that the GOP has been seized by extremists and the DNC has moved to the center. In fact. I can’t think of a prominent American “Leftist”.
1. EVERYTHING in politics is a strategy. Some are good, some are bad, some are obvious, and some are never known.
2. When I prioritize I start with emergencies and then work my way down the list. The best argument for that is the fact that human brains are designed that way. When one is being chased by a Sabertooth Tiger, for example, is a bad time to look for a new pigment for one’s next cave-painting.
3. All I’m saying is that the Reich-wing control of the SCOTUS is a reality that must be included in any plans.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:00 pm5th grade level? Please tell me pretend guy which matrix you are using. See the thing is I know how to assess grade level writing. Do you?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:00 pmYou mean you get the readability stats via some innate harmony with your operating system? Great ;)
I wouldn’t judge anyone for spelling or grammar, but being able to organize a thought and present it in a straightforward way is a precursor to structuring a valid argument.
Those that can’t just attack and flame with the equivalent of:
There is a reason that they don’t teach rhetoric to first graders.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:01 pmpete – didn’t mean to project and say you were either. If that is what you took from my post, I should be more careful.
Your points are all valid perspectives and I need to see them articulated the way you say them. Thanks for you understanding and willingness to share in a reasonable dialog.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pmSo I can take that as a no, I assume. Posers bum me out.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pm“And I hope that nothing like this would impact on his outstanding record,” said Sessions.
Is Sessions and McCain smoking “crack?” These phucking repukelicans make me sick with there lying. AG Holder please hurry up and start this investigation.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:04 pmranus69 Says:
Is Sessions and McCain smoking “crack?” These phucking repukelicans make me sick with there lying. AG Holder please hurry up and start this investigation.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
The world is a better place without Sessions on the federal bench.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pmOT again
July 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pmpete as always your thoughtfulness is greatly needed and obviously all adults understand the pragmatism of the center. Still instead of two Mississippi kite this year we have 4. Crazy days…The sandhill crane has returned as well…
best-
Of course, the same guys who were braying and crying big tears about the sacred nature of “THE RULE OF LAW” in the 90’s have been shrugging their shoulders over and over ever since their guy was awarded the office in 2001. That’s just what you get from modern conservatives a huge, steaming pile of hypocrisy.
But, I’ve got to say, I don’t come around here very often so maybe I’m off-base here, but as I peruse the discussion, it does seem to me that the poster named “another Joe” is here to divert discussions into irrelevant and sometimes absurd discussions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but when I sense that someone is running a game, I tend to mention it. If I’m wrong, sorry about that.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:07 pmMy experience from earlier threads is that some here are no different than this crowd other than their vitriol hate for anyone that questions Obama and dem leadership:
Freepers refuse to apologize for calling Malia Obama ‘a typical street whore’
These folks are just sick little monkeys whom I would never read. They will never change and bring nothing to the dialog. Perhaps some of them will someday grow up, perhaps not.
The good news is they marginalize and isolate themselves. They do so whether they are flaming those on the left or right.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:10 pmtim.ned Says:
Does anyone really listen to this another Joe? Do you really go along with his morbid conspiracy theories and wacky websites he sends you to?
Agreed!!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:12 pm182.NinerFan Says: But, I’ve got to say, I don’t come around here very often so maybe I’m off-base here, but as I peruse the discussion, it does seem to me that the poster named “another Joe” is here to divert discussions into irrelevant and sometimes absurd discussions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but when I sense that someone is running a game, I tend to mention it. If I’m wrong, sorry about that.
I disagree.
I’ve read several posts, many I agree with, some I don’t. There is, on the main, substance posted rather than just accusations or ad hom. Further, while Joe does make indirect comments, so too does a host of other posters.
Why do you single out Joe when dbadass has a running string of nonsense, uncomplicated by facts?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pmAnother Joe:
Why don’t you do some statistics on frequency of posts from individual posters. I think you might see that when you are on a thread you outpost all others.
I sometimes get the feeling, from the number of posts you make, that you think your thoughts are of great importance.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pmFakers never change minds…They just seeks more attention. Even when they have something tosay of value, it ends up being lost because they elected to compromise principle for something less…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pmHi, Pachy! Long time, no see.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pmI just post am and you may reply what you say – anyone that thinks anything posted here under anonymous handles is “important” really needs to spend more time doing something else!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:17 pmdb,
Who are the “fakers”?
Just so that we can clear up the ubiquitousness of your postulation.
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July 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pmYour welcome, Another Joe.
Thank you, dbadass.
OT:
I haven’t been seeing any new birds, dbadass, but we officially have a new mosquito and the ash borers are spreading.
On a sad note, this year’s nest counts are showing a 20% decrease in nesting ducks. Could be drought. Could be climate change. Could be invasive species, Eurasian milfoil has invaded a lot of wetlands. Could be the recovery of goose and swans. Or it could be the better land management in the Dakotas. Some combination of those factors has resulted in a 50% drop in six years.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pm186.Pachydiplax de St. Augustine Says: Why don’t you do some statistics on frequency of posts from individual posters. I think you might see that when you are on a thread you outpost all others.
I don’t understand the logic here….
Someone enjoys the blog, likes to discuss and they’re targeted?
Notwithstanding the fact that several of the points Joe raised are ignored in favor of impugning someone’s intention?
Please explain.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pmBradblog has a great post on a report from Newsweek about potential Holder investigation that goes on to note that Holder began reviewing the former administration’s torture policies “in April,” and “became increasingly troubled” as he did.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
OT.
Max, are you with the POAC site? Love the site and the graphics…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:21 pmIf the report at bradblog and Swanson’s “report” of the spring converation is correct, this has been quietly moving forward for a while and the intentions to follow through are there.
We will see…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:21 pmMax Anax junius -1
July 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pmI am happy to call them out if I must but they sort of speak for themselves. I will gladly do so if you need me to but I still hold out hopes they they will be able to pull it together and politely save face and get back to saying things of value without the bullshit agenda of self need…
It’s time to smoke Dick Cheney out of his spider hole!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pmAh , my posts are always the best and most important ones on TP……..
July 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pmhanshiro the antlion – that is a good site, though I haven’t been a regular there lately. Looks like they have considerably expanded their cover and I like the style of presentation now.
I believe it is much easier to scan for news now than previous versions (which can be said for all good webs that continue to evolve in a thoughtful manner).
July 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pm190.Max Anax junius -1 Says:
db,
Who are the “fakers”?
Just so that we can clear up the ubiquitousness of your postulation.
Needed reposting…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pmaustininc4
I saw this too on Rachael’s show. It was amazing, they hid dirty secrets, covered for each other and praised hitler. It was like the repug club are the nazis.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pmwhy would anyone listen to ideas fostered by a proven fake. There is no logic to that unless agenda is more important than integrity…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:24 pmCan’t smmke dicky out of the spider hole, chimpy smoked all the good sh!t up.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pmYes they are and we thankya for them. ;-)
July 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pmhanshiro,
July 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pmI’m registered there and used to frequent it often, daily.
I’ve continued to visit to read but haven’t posted for some time.
T.J. does a good service to the Progressive community.
db,
Who are the “fakers”?
Just so that we can clear up the ubiquitousness of your postulation.
Needed reposting…
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July 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pmAnother Joe is a fake. Sorry Another Joe.I tried to protect you as best I could…
“Important” is a relative term. I think it’s safe to say that all of us post as a form of entertainment. I happen to place great value on entertainment.
Are we going to change the World? No. But, outside of trolls who are out to vandalize the site, we do have an opportunity to learn from each other and, occasionally, educate another. And if my snark, or someone else’s, provides a good laugh? That’s the best outcome possible.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pmAnother Joe Says:
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If the report at bradblog and Swanson’s “report” of the spring converation is correct, this has been quietly moving forward for a while and the intentions to follow through are there.
We will see…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
What in the hell is taking so long/what are they waiting for ?
The stench of the Bush administration to dissipate ?
That smell is going to be around for a helluva’ long time……
July 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pmwow – I will have to add POAC back to my bookmarks again and spend more time there, the depth of coverage has really been cranked up.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pm206.dbadass Says: Another Joe is a fake. Sorry Another Joe.I tried to protect you as best I could…
Proof?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pmAhhh db,
July 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pmSee, I thought you were talking about Cheney and his daughter…
… Hey, where’s Lynn now-a-days?
I have a different identity at POAC and some other blogs, giving the potential of some here to flame and stalk…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pmKayInMaine Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Ah , my posts are always the best and most important ones on TP……..
July 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Yes they are and we thankya for them. ;-)
July 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Awww , thanks Kay ; you’re much too kind……….
July 12th, 2009 at 7:29 pmMCMetal Says:
Ah , my posts are always the best and most important ones on TP……..
I’ve been meaning to comment about that, but I’ve stuck to worshiping from afar.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pmNice smackdown of Tim ValuePak on the other thread, McMetal. I enjoyed it immensely! :-)
July 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pmMuch less stalking and flaming at POAC too…
A small group of regulars there would not be allowed to abuse others and follow them from thread to thread with the same harrassment.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:31 pmKayInMaine Says:
“Nice smackdown of Tim ValuePak”
heheh, “tim valuepak”
July 12th, 2009 at 7:32 pmThere is not one right wing troll using his/her real moniker from years ago on my blog. They have to hide behind fake names because they know they are hated, despised, and detested by anyone with a normal functioning brain (includes everyone but those who worship George Bush & Sarah Palin).
July 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pmProof?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pmMoonrise ecojewelery in in Virginia.
Deborah in West Chester says Bullshit
Nobody spends all day doing this if their small business is paying for two morgages…. Shall I continue. That name is pretend too. Unless they want to take ownership of that shit.Do you really want to put them and the little ones who don’t capitaliz their names in that position or do you figure that was bullshit too? I have gien you respect for you values, I won’t doso for a liar…
Tim Vacusuck is an immense putz , Kay ……….
July 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pmdbadass Says:
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db,
Who are the “fakers”?
Just so that we can clear up the ubiquitousness of your postulation.
Needed reposting…
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Another Joe is a fake. Sorry Another Joe.I tried to protect you as best I could…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
You mean …….His name ISN’T JOE ?
Quite frankly , I’m crushed , despondent and quite literally at the point of despair………
July 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pmYep.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:34 pmI wonder what moniker Dick Cheney uses these days?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pmI think I’ve got it….do you remember when the Harlem Globetrotters always played the Washington Generals years ago ?? We just accepted the outcome because the Generals allowed the prescribed defeat. They had to, because the owners wrote the script, for the fans….it was entertaining. And although it was presented as a “game”….we knew better. And we did not care. SO…..there were no fouls called on the Trotters….and they were allowed to disregard the rules and they were highly paid and NOTHING the Generals did affected the game….they were merely “foils”. Everybody got paid.
This is what Washington DC is like. The GOP is the Harlem Globetrotters and the Democrats are the Generals…..
A Democrat campaigns on the promise that there would be”change”….let’s say in healthcare….and 70% or so ….all his voters and some of his opponents even…support this change. BUT the 5% of Americans (GOP) who own most of our country will not allow an altruistic notion like “healthcare access for all” to happen, even if, in the long run it is better for America, because it would erode some of their leaverage, some of their ability to dominate the political process. And hence their net worth.
In the future. …. they cannot let us know that we have the power to make them “share” ….their wealth. In the long run I believe that this imbalance will distroy America. Stay tuned…and please don’t give up….YOU HAVE THE POWER..!!
Lenny Laks
July 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pmMendocino, CA
219.dbadass Says: Proof? Moonrise ecojewelery in in Virginia.
Deborah in West Chester says Bullshit
Nobody spends all day doing this if their small business is paying for two morgages…. Shall I continue. That name is pretend too. Unless they want to take ownership of that shit.Do you really want to put them and the little ones who don’t capitaliz their names in that position or do you figure that was bullshit too? I have gien you respect for you values, I won’t doso for a liar…
Anyone care to translate this? DB, this post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever…..
July 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pmHis name isn’t Star either…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pmdbadass Says:
Proof?
db, wasn’t that mrfreedom, or whatever he was calling himself? The person who lived in southern Washington in a paradise in the woods, near Mt Adams? Is it possible you’re confusing two different commenters?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pm#202 db,
O.K. so you won’t say Another Joe by name, but we read you loud and clear…
… So Joe is incorrect in saying that Obama’s continuation of indefinite detention and the Bush policy of denying Habeas Corpus Rights and Due Process is a good thing?
Oh, never mind…
… It’s not when Obama does, YES?
But I get your point.
It’s easy to dismiss “others” ubiquitously and hide behind THAT skirt than it is to actually discuss the issues, NO?
carry on then…
p.s. Joe,
I thought this was a very cogent statement. Probably the best in this thread.
Too bad people have to call you names to make their point just to avoid refuting the points you make. But please know that they call you names as a response NOT to what you write, but because as a response to the way they have been treated by you.
db,
July 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pmwhich point HERE do you disagree with? Anything?
same pretender gummble-bee-itch.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pmWhy would a thoughtful person like hanshiro wish to buy in to such? The message is never more important than the quality of the messenger…
Can you imagine Sarah Palin using a basketball analogy to describe what you just did? She’d say something like, “The Globetrotters get the ball, start dribbling…hey! Drill baby drill!…and then the buzzer goes off and we win!”.
*cringe*
July 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pm226. dbadass Says: His name isn’t Star either…
..and here I was just reading and digesting the substance of his posts…who knew there was a whole John Nash thing going on…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pmKayInMaine Says:
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I wonder what moniker Dick Cheney uses these days?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
He’s gone back to what his father originally named him ……
Satan , Jr.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThis dishonest reaction from the GOP is not surprising in the least, which makes it even more disturbing.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pmKayInMaine Says:
Can you imagine Sarah Palin using a basketball analogy to describe what you just did? She’d say something like, “The Globetrotters get the ball, start dribbling…hey! Drill baby drill!…and then the buzzer goes off and we win!”.
*cringe*
July 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
She’d just scream, “Stop pickin’ on my baby!!!!,” and quit.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:41 pmMax Anax junius -1
July 12th, 2009 at 7:41 pmDo you often discuss “issues” with proven frauds? Come on folks is ideology more important to you than integrity? I hope the hell not becuase it makes the real folks with real values less viable…
KayInMaine Says:
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Can you imagine Sarah Palin using a basketball analogy to describe what you just did? She’d say something like, “The Globetrotters get the ball, start dribbling…hey! Drill baby drill!…and then the buzzer goes off and we win!”.
*cringe*
July 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Her original basketball analogy was complete and utter bullshit.
A true point guard NEVER keeps their eyes on the basket/rim , because they are looking to DISTRIBUTE the ball to any open teammate ; how in the hell can you do that if your eyes are fixated on the rim/basket , as she so stupidly claimed ?
What a complete imbecile she is………..
July 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmMax Anax Junius-1 at #228, Another Joe got his info word for word from here:
http://nonviolentjesus.blogspot.com/2009/06/triumph-of-illusion.html
A plagiarizer!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmExactly! That woman carries the children in her life around like they’re shopping bags from Neiman Marcus, oh, but as soon as she gets herself in trouble, she calls us meanies for talking about them and then proceeds to quit dragging her shopping bags behind her!
She’s pathetic.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pmnever claimed they were mine – they are valid points
See you do “the google” too – where do these come from:
In a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of automobile security systems, four tots hotwired a Toyota Land Rover and cruised along fabled Deco Drive in South Beach Miami. The merry group spent the evening crashing top night spots and easily eluding waitresses, bartenders and bouncers. Credit card receipts, obviously signed by one of the tots, showed thousands in charges for table dances, champagne and limo service. A crayon drawing left by one of the tots lent conclusive proof of their guilt, according to local law enforcement officials.
A trio of nuns broke into a North Dakota missile site in a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of USAF security systems. The nuns quickly removed the nuclear warhead in 20 minutes from the ICBM using a crescent wrench, car jack and plastic crucifix. A nun’s habit and Gideon Bible, inscribed with the name of one of the nuns, providently found at the crime scene, indicated conclusive proof of their guilt and the trio was quickly captured.
A pair of elderly pensioners swiped two Abrams M1A1 tanks yesterday and crashed them into the Virginia state capitol after driving them 150 miles undetected. In a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of US Army security systems, the senior citizens swiped the tanks from a National Guard armory. After crashing the tanks into the office building, the pair fled on foot, eluding hundreds of lawmen. But a dog-eared copy of National Geographic magazine, found at the crime scene addressed to one of the octogenarians, lead to the speedy arrest and confinement of the pair.
Six autistic kids, ranging in age from 12 to 19, broke into Fort Knox yesterday and looted billions in gold from the vaults in a daring daylight raid. The complex, well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of the vault’s security system, allowed the kids easy entry. Video cameras, however, caught the six laughing and joking while entering the open vaults. Unfortunately for the plotters, an inscribed trophy from the 2001 Special Olympics, along with a group photograph of the six, was found at the crime site, foiling the perfect crime.
In a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of nuclear submarine security systems, two teenage lovers who called themselves Romeo and Juliet, stole a Trident submarine yesterday and enjoyed a brief joyride before sinking the sub in a suicide pact in 10,000 feet of water. Although no bodies were recovered, a water-soaked library card found floating on the Pacific Ocean , belonging to Roy Meoli, age 17, confirmed to law enforcement officials that the troubled teenage boy was the sole mastermind of the daring heist.
A quintet of teenage girls swiped the space shuttle from its Florida launch pad and buzzed Disneyworld in Orlando yesterday afternoon. In a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of the shuttle security system, the girls commandeered the aging spacecraft. Swooping low, they performed several complex aerobatics, then sped skyward. Flying above Seaworld, they paused to write the cell phone number of one of their boyfriends in bold, three hundred-foot letters in the sky. Local police traced the cell phone number and quickly apprehended the juveniles later at a slumber party, before charging them with the crime.
Several Saudi high school seniors commandeered the aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower yesterday in a complex and well-coordinated heist, combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of Navy security systems. The teens sailed the ship across the Pacific undetected and then down to Acapulco for a weekend of binge drinking, while picking up girls along the way. Navy officials had no prior knowledge of the plan to hijack the missing aircraft carrier, nor even knew it was missing. But officials found a charred credit card belonging to one of the thieves on the flight deck of the carrier proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the hijackers guilt.
A quartet of quadriplegics borrowed the SS Queen Mary yesterday and sailed the ship to San Diego in an elaborate navigational feat. The foursome commandeered the former luxury liner, usually berthed at Long Beach California , after attending a weeklong course in sailing. An instructor at Bob Bligh’s Sailing School said the handicapped hijackers failed the rudiments of sailing and navigation and nearly wrecked a rowboat. However, law enforcement officials quickly said that failure didn’t necessarily mean that four handicapped men, confined to wheelchairs, couldn’t have piloted a 1000 foot luxury liner usually requiring dozens of officers and hundreds of trained crewmen. As if to confirm this likely explanation, an FBI spokesman said investigators found promotional videotapes from Carnival Cruise Lines, a copy of the movie Titanic, and a Blockbuster membership card belonging to one of the men in the wheelhouse of the Queen Mary, confirming the obvious guilt of the four.
Nineteen flight school dropouts, in a complex and well-coordinated heist combining speed and stealth with an uncanny knowledge of our nation’s security systems, commandeered four jumbo jets and flew hundreds of miles before returning to crash the planes into pre-selected targets. A flight school instructor said the men performed badly in the simplest of flight maneuvers in small Cessna airplanes. But local law enforcement officials quickly claimed the 19 hijackers could easily have performed complex maneuvers in much larger and more complex Boeing jumbo jets. Video cameras captured the ringleaders laughing and joking and a charred passport, found at the scene of the crash indicated, beyond any reasonable doubt, the guilt of the men.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:44 pm235.dbadass Says: Max Anax junius -1
Do you often discuss “issues” with proven frauds? Come on folks is ideology more important to you than integrity? I hope the hell not becuase it makes the real folks with real values less viable…
Proof?
You’ve made only disjointed accusations which prove nothing. I could make a more compelling case that you’re a molester based on your writing style. you’ve dogged the thread for a while now. I hope you have something more substantive than gobbledygook…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:44 pmkayinmaine,
July 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pmyou mean kids aren’t props?
Anyone care to translate this? DB, this post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever…..
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July 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI will be happy to help you out if you need it but I think you know exactly what this post says. Still feel free to ask for specific details if you need to
cheers-
KayInMaine Says:
Exactly! That woman carries the children in her life around like they’re shopping bags from Neiman Marcus, oh, but as soon as she gets herself in trouble, she calls us meanies for talking about them and then proceeds to quit dragging her shopping bags behind her!
She’s pathetic.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Neiman Marcus bags full of shit from K-Mart. ;)
July 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pmThis one is a lot of fun – very famous:
Can someone please tell me why farmers are always whining and looking for a handout? If it isn’t a drought or a flood, it’s their bad loans. I was always told farmers were strong, independent people who were too proud to accept help. But sure enough as soon as something goes wrong, they’re looking for the government to bail them out. And they’re the forst ones to complain about city people who live on welfare.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pmF#ck the farmers.
They’re worrying about losing their land? It wasn’t their land to begin with, they stole it from the Indians. Let ‘em find out what it geels like to have your land taken away by some square-headed (explitive deleted) who just came over on a boat. They wiped out the bears, the wolves, and the mountain lions; they spoiled the land, poisoned the water table, and they produce tasteless food.
Why is it in this capitalistic society all businesses are expected to succeed or fail on their own except farming? Why is that?
Next we’ll find out all photos of Sarah playing basketball in her youth were actually taken by a professional photographer who was hired by her family to make it look like she was a professional, when really…..she wasn’t even on the team and asked the coach if she could take a few runs down the court for her photographer!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:48 pmdb,
Where does integrity rate when one bashes those one disagrees with?
Again,
YOU FAILED TO ADDRESS THE POINTS MADE HERE instead opting to hide behind an ad homonym.
Shall we start a fire and see which is blacker…
… The pot or the kettle?
Are you going to address the issue or continue on insisting on undressing the messenger?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:48 pm237.KayInMaine Says: Another Joe got his info word for word from here…A plagiarizer!
I’ve posted excerpts before and failed to include attribution. Others have too. That doesn’t make them plagiarizers.
Still, if you’ve decided about someone, you need only have the facts fit the impression…not honest, but true.
Hpw about refuting any of the points. That seems top be a problem in the rush to discredit another poster.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:49 pmAnother Joe at #244:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Gz4WFeWIbK4C&pg=PT62&lpg=PT62&dq=Can+someone+please+tell+me+why+farmers+are+always+whining+and+looking+for+a+handout%3F+If+it+isn%E2%80%99t+a+drought+or+a+flood,+it%E2%80%99s+their+bad+loans.+I+was+always+told+farmers+were+strong,+independent+people+who+were+too+proud+to+accept+help.+But+sure+enough+as+soon+as+something+goes+wrong,+they%E2%80%99re+looking+for+the+government+to+bail+them+out.+And+they%E2%80%99re+the+forst+ones+to+complain+about+city+people+who+live+on+welfare.&source=bl&ots=H4k2atv-tZ&sig=r-OHoWG6k_82-O5jWmJwA7BsPSM&hl=en&ei=T3ZaSp7eLobiMLS44EI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
July 12th, 2009 at 7:49 pmKayInMaine,
Well shine me shoes…
… And copy paste gods rejoice.
But the points are valid, NO?
Can we at least address them or is it easier to flame the messenger?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pmIt is too plagiarism. Anytime you use another words word for word as your own and don’t give credit as to where you found them, you’re plagiarizing. The End.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pmgeorge carlin’s perspective and voice is sadly missed.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pm242.dbadass Says: I will be happy to help you out if you need it but I think you know exactly what this post says. Still feel free to ask for specific details if you need to
cheers-
No, I’ve no idea what your post says, It looks like rambling of paranoid delusion, frankly. Implying I’m being disingenuous doesn’t strengthen your case.
Make sense, provide hard evidence or knock it off.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pmI guess the next time I say, The End, I should quote kay?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm/snark
KayInMaine Says:
It is too plagiarism. Anytime you use another words word for word as your own and don’t give credit as to where you found them, you’re plagiarizing. The End.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
According to the policy against plagiarism at my university, using someone else’s work without proper attribution will get a student sent home instantly.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pmoh – now we have the academic cops out! Please don’t tell them I downloaded a Korn song too!!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pmMCMetal Says:
Her original basketball analogy was complete and utter bullshit.
A true point guard NEVER keeps their eyes on the basket/rim , because they are looking to DISTRIBUTE the ball to any open teammate ; how in the hell can you do that if your eyes are fixated on the rim/basket , as she so stupidly claimed ?
What a complete imbecile she is…..
The barracuda thing is wrong too. Barracuda, like other fish, travel in schools rather than “packs”. But, they only school when they are young. Adult barracuda are solitary hunters. On a humorous note, the Wiki entry says “These fish don’t care for their young“.
However, the most prophetic statement about the barracuda comes from an old California DNR pamphlet that says:
“Barracuda attack from ambush. After one powerful run, they submit to the net“.
And I think that will be the historical footnote on Bible Spice. She struck out of nowhere, made one “powerful run” that lasted until the first time she opened her mouth following the Convention, and then “submitted to the net” when she quit her job due, apparently, to criticism in the blogosphere.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pmSarah Palin is unqualified. She is at a minimum intellectually incurious. She is unethical. And calling these things for what they are is not an anti-feminist act. Nor is Sarah Palin the individual the real issue.
This can be a delicate question because qualified, honorable women have so often been called unqualified and attacked for their ambition or assertiveness. But…c’mon. Sarah Palin’s lack of qualification for high elected office is so patently clear in just about every one of her public statements and actions over the past 10 months that to not call it out as such is offensive to women (and men) who have worked hard to develop knowledge and mastery of any skill or body of knowledge. Of course there are lines of brutal personal attack that should never be crossed. But it’s not productive either to nutpick or to try to establish equivalencies. The question here is whether it is legitimate to call out the lack of qualification of a female politician for the role to which she aspires, and the answer is a clear yes.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmHi KayinMaine,
I just checked out your blog, looks great. I’ve put it on my list of ones to read – hope you don’t mind.
Great name by the way, one of my sisters used to own a cabin on some famous lake up there.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmShhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…
Don’t tell kos!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmMax Anax junius -1
July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pmIf the issuer deserves undressing than yes.
Tell me my firend what adult who ever was known to you as a fraud ever was worthy of consideration. Values are progressive. Trite suggestions of such are not. Does your agenda require defense of a fraudulent messenger or do your values stand on their own?
Yesterday I wrote how reports are showing Tom Coburn counselling John Ensign to end his affair and hand over some hush money to his mistress Cindy Hampton. This story is developing quickly, though, so quickly that one expects everything to fall apart, and soon, for Senator John Ensign. We’ve got what appears to be payoffs ($96,000) in some sort of equavalence to small, unmarked bills, from Ensign’s parents. And though those payments seem seem legal, strictly speaking, there’s also a hint that a man was fired, former Ensign friend Doug Hampton, because he was upset at Ensign screwing his wife.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:55 pmSome things are just cut and dried, no matter how much others try to complicate, obfuscate, or bloviate. So, just to get this right:
On May 14, 2009, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi accused the CIA of lying about who was told what when at which briefing on waterboarding. She added, “They mislead us all the time.” “They” is the CIA; “us” is the Congress.
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who, it needs to always be mentioned, scampered away from Congress in disgrace, said back in May, “To have the person third in line to be president say that the CIA misleads us all the time is so utterly irresponsible and such an attack on the men and women who are risking their lives…that she disqualifies herself for being speaker of the House.”
Fox “news” host Bill O’Reilly barely said (in an “interview” with Gingrich), “The unintended consequences of the Speaker of the House basically saying to the world, hey, the U.S. government is corrupt. You know, the CIA is a bunch of liars. And they misled the Congress and all of these terrible things, that’s got to play out in a much bigger – you know, much more important role than just Pelosi versus the CIA.”
July 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pmAnother Joe. The K should be in the verso… Get with it…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm250.KayInMaine Says: It is too plagiarism. Anytime you use another words word for word as your own and don’t give credit as to where you found them, you’re plagiarizing. The End.
Again, you’ve made up your mind. Re-explaining it as if it’s a valid rationale doesn’t add weight to your claim. I, too have posted quotes and neglected the attribution. By your definition, a majority of internet posters are plagiarizers, however unintentionally…
..though how you miraculously have divined another’s intention just by their neglecting a link is…impressive.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pmHow old are you, because I’m 41 years old and I know for a fact that you can read another’s opinion or thoughts, fall madly in love with these opinions & thoughts, and then you can spread your most favorite thought & opinion online but you have to USE YOUR OWN WORDS to do it! You cannot (as my 41 years have proven)…I repeat…you CANNOT…copy & paste THEIR WORDS…WORD FOR WORD in a comment as if they were your own…unless you give credit where credit is due. You can either say, “So-n-so on so-n-so blog said this recently” and then use QUOTATION MARKS or you can copy & paste and then give the link to where you found the direct quote.
Am I making myself clear? If not, pick up your computer monitor and beat the top of your head with it until you see stars.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pmDo I have to delete all the tunes on may iPod now too?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pmMake sense, provide hard evidence or knock it off.
— Would you like the phone numbers of the folks who don’t sell the shit the pretender claims to sell. Will that be enough for you or should I violate more of the poser’s pretend life? The kids ought to get more exercise…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pmummmmmm….
Kay, I will cite what I want to cite and not cite what I choose not to for whatever reason.
And you can get up on your little soapbox all you want and scream to the world.
And I will cite what I want to cite…
July 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pmCall the blog cops if you want to.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:59 pmNo wonder Another Joe posts so quickly.
HE COPIES & PASTES (STEALS) ALMOST EVERYTHING.
Is that flaming…?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pmI don’t ever do this, so thanks for putting me in your little blanket statement of ridiculousness! Most people online talk about the subject at hand. They use their own words to do it. My experience has been….it’s the neocons who copy & paste other opinions word for word without giving credit because they are unable to form their own words or slow their brains down long enough to type out a sentence!
On my blog, I always give credit to the paragraph’s or phrases I use of others by connecting a link to it. I CANNOT copy & paste another blogger’s post and then copy & paste it on my front page giving the impression it’s my work!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pmExcellent Joe. The next time you do it I will find out where you got the quote from and then alert the person. I’m sure they’ll be fine with you copying & pasting their hard work all over the Internet as if you were the one who did all the research for it! Jees.
Do what you want.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pmAnd while your at it – the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulence (hat tip to atrios)
July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pmKayInMaine @ 265,
Spot on!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pmdb,
PROOF of being a fraud is a prerequisite to calling someone a fraud.
May I remind you that, that is a missing element to the discussion you are attempting to make.
So, please, let’s up the entertainment quotient…
… How is Joe a fraud?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pmI guess the next time I say, The End, I should quote kay?
/snark
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Go phuck yourself and the STFU.
What else would you expect the GOP to do? They rubber stamped every illegal action of Bush and Cheney. Did they ever once ask any questions regarding anything? No. They shut up and went along because they thought the Republicans would be in office for years longer. They did not count on Katrina or any of the scandals or law breaking etc, to come to light. Imagine the surprise when they found the only people who liked the New United Corporation of America, were the people that invented it.
And despite all the public confessions of Cheney, and all the memos and secrets that have found their way into the light, they still believe nothing has changed. Everything remains as they wanted. It hasn’t. They have been blinded by the old status quo. And they still think it’s here. Just rumors. Nothing to it. Cheney was a great VP. All politics by the other side. Don’t look at the truth. The truth is still what we say it is.
These people are not Americans. They are Republicans.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pm265.KayInMaine Says: Am I making myself clear? If not, pick up your computer monitor and beat the top of your head with it until you see stars.
Elaborate, insert verbiage, getting more verbose does not support a case of leaving out attribution equating to plagiarizing. Capitals, on the other hand, just drip with truth and earnest belief….
Yet, the points in the post in question are still orphaned. Why are you so determined to discredit a poster who raises questions about Obama? Judging by your standards, I can quite easily draw equally unflattering conclusions about your intentions, Kay.
A little less presumption and mischaracterization and a little more hard evidence dealing with the issues would be more constructive.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pmI mean, db, then by your logic, I could call you a child molester.
Doesn’t make me any more correct, does it?
Oh, I get it…
… It’s not when db does it? YES?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:03 pmAnother Joe Says:
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Do I have to delete all the tunes on may iPod now too?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
If you deleted the artist’s name that actually wrote and recorded them and put your own name by each , then yeah………
July 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pmHey Dummy, “The End” appears at the end of most children’s books. Is it plagiarism or is it a common phrase used by the masses? If you don’t know the answer then please by all means start paying attention as you go through life, okay imbecile?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pmranus69,
Excuse me?
Did I step on your toe?
… I SAID /SNARK.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:05 pm:/
Elaborate, insert verbiage, getting more verbose does not support a case of leaving out attribution equating to plagiarizing. Capitals, on the other hand, just drip with truth and earnest belief….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:06 pmwhy do i get the feeling we are dealing with a petulant child here? i am sure most of you can surmise to whom i am referring.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:06 pmZooey,
I don’t know if it’s flamming, but it’s getting hot in here.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:07 pmHard Evidence” ?
What were Mrs Sanford and Mrs Ensign presented with that their husbands were cheating , Alex …………..
July 12th, 2009 at 8:08 pmA little less presumption and mischaracterization and a little more hard evidence dealing with the issues would be more constructive.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
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I mean, db, then by your logic, I could call you a child molester.
—No you couldn’t as I have never claimed to be a child molester but our other friend has claimed to be an eco jeweler. See the thing is that all the bullshit that is posted here is just crap unless you actually are what you claim to be. Pony up or STFU wannabees…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm(I’m plagiarizing on comments #283 & #287 hehehe)
July 12th, 2009 at 8:10 pmKayInMaine Says:
Max Anax junius -1 Says:
I guess the next time I say, The End, I should quote kay?
/snark
July 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Hey Dummy, “The End” appears at the end of most children’s books. Is it plagiarism or is it a common phrase used by the masses? If you don’t know the answer then please by all means start paying attention as you go through life, okay imbecile?
I have no patience for anyone who makes excuses for plagiarism. From a practical view, there is no reason for it, other than to take credit for other people’s words, especially on a blog like this where they’ve provided very simple tools to indicate that something is a blockquote, and to provide a link to the original source. It may be honestly lazy, but I don’t consider that an excuse, either.
Words and thoughts are just as much an individual creation as a song or a painting. Taking credit for someone else’s creation is inexcusable.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm288.dbadass Says:—No you couldn’t as I have never claimed to be a child molester but our other friend has claimed to be an eco jeweler.
OMG! Well, that settles everything! Oh, no DB, it doesn’t make you look ridiculous at all…
Joe, never, NEVER kid about eco jewelery…it does things to DB…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pmWell , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pmAs a lyricist with about 30 original, but undistributed, songs to my credit, I take a very dim view of the theft of intellectual property. But? I’m not sure that an unattributed copy/paste in a blog discussion really counts.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pmThere are no more Barry Goldwaters in the the Republican Party~you know the kind of Republican who would put his country before Party and talking point, and say that there is definitely something wrong with the way the former VP has acted, and tell him so, and not go on television and defend this behavior and even risk looking ridiculous when trying to excuse it.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pmI totally agree with you! It makes me angry that the neocons can’t form words in their heads to let their fingers know what to type, so instead, they copy & paste large sections of someone else’s hard work to make their points. Not giving credit to the person who did the hard work is disgusting but it proves one thing:
NEOCONS ARE LAZY PIGS!
The End. Case closed. No further comment is needed.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pmMCMetal Says:
Well , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Ohhh, baby!
Pictures?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pmSee? Another reason why we love ya! LOL
July 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pmSo now it is kidding? Pretenders are weak and worthless…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm290.gummble-bee-itch Says: Taking credit for someone else’s creation is inexcusable.
Where did Joe take credit for the post, outside of neglecting a link for attribution, which I have also overlooked at times. That’s called an error, not evidence of intentional misconduct.
Where did he take credit?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pmZooey Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Well , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Ohhh, baby!
Pictures?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
For you , I’d make a personal appearance……..
July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pmFOR FUTURE REFERENCE: In case anyone is wondering how to find out if a neocon is plagiarizing someone else’s work, all you have to do is copy & paste a sentence or too that they’ve written in a comment into the Google search field and if it’s been plagiarized, you will get lots of hits on the search. You can then come back here and discredit the imbecile.
Hey neocons, we don’t care if you use your own words to make your case against Obama. What we don’t like is when you take 18 inches of thread with your plagiarized comments! We don’t want to listen to you anymore when you do that.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pmOn a more seroius note. hanshiro the antlion. Why do you defend an animal so less capable of making such an ingenius trap as the antlion does. Does that not conflict with your morality?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pmMCMetal Says:
“Well , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….”
that’s HOT! Wanna be my workout partner?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pmWell , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….
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put a thong on a wild pig and kay and zooey will start chasing its balls.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
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MCMetal Says:
“Well , I’m 4′ 10″ and weigh 370 …………And I work out in a thong………….Drives the ladies WILD……….”
that’s HOT! Wanna be my workout partner?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Yeah , we’ll wash cars together ……..
July 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pmF ucking posers…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Where did Joe take credit for the post, outside of neglecting a link for attribution, which I have also overlooked at times. That’s called an error, not evidence of intentional misconduct.
Where did he take credit?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Not giving proper attribution IS taking credit, hanshiro! If any one of us did that, you’d be all over us — be honest.
There is no error involved here. Another Joe has several comments on this thread alone that he copied and pasted, including AFTER he was called out on it.
Deal with it.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pmcheney is the national security expert. he knows which programs should be kept top secret.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm#265 kay…
… GOT PANTIES IN A WAD?
Pull your skirt down, they’re showing.
Is that the best reasoning you have for NOT discussing the valid points Joe copied and pasted here?
Or does the mere fact that Joe copied and pasted negate the validity of what Pax Christi wrote?
I’m sorry you didn’t like that Joe didn’t credit Pax Christi.
I’m over it. You? Because I happen to think that Pax Christi made some extremely valid points. You?
Yet, in all of this you’re content in bashing Joe, and me apparently, for having even bringing up the points Pax Christi raised.
Now, please understand that I do not think coppy/paste is an appropriate way of communicating, however, I find the points that Pax Christi via Joe(you really should at least link to the source/manners if anything) are valid.
That is the discussion I’m seeking to have. NOT a position of defending other posters here at TP(unless it’s a “real” troll that bashes one of us). Note, you are one of the “us” I count on and would defend.
Really, there is a bigger picture here at play and harping on whether or not someone colored outside the lines is getting lost in banal minutia…
… IMO.
:)
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pmYesterday I wrote how reports are showing Tom Coburn counselling John Ensign to end his affair and hand over some hush money to his mistress Cindy Hampton. This story is developing quickly, though, so quickly that one expects everything to fall apart, and soon, for Senator John Ensign. We’ve got what appears to be payoffs ($96,000) in some sort of equavalence to small, unmarked bills, from Ensign’s parents. And though those payments seem seem legal, strictly speaking, there’s also a hint that a man was fired, former Ensign friend Doug Hampton, because he was upset at Ensign screwing his wife.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pmMCMetal Says:
For you , I’d make a personal appearance……..
July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
You better!
**fanning face and neck**
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pmF ucking posers…
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mcmetal poses in his thong.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
290.gummble-bee-itch Says: Taking credit for someone else’s creation is inexcusable.
Where did Joe take credit for the post, outside of neglecting a link for attribution, which I have also overlooked at times. That’s called an error, not evidence of intentional misconduct.
Where did he take credit?
Who said anything about Joe? I thought we were discussing the subject of attribution or its lack.
Using someone else’s words without attribution isn’t an “error,” Hanshiro. If you did that in a thesis, it wouldn’t be an error, and it could get you a nice fat F. One should be more conscious when using other people’s words. And using them without clarifying that they are someone else’s words is “taking credit.”
July 12th, 2009 at 8:24 pmYep. He keeps secret all the war crimes he committed.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:24 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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F ucking posers…
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mcmetal poses in his thong.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Whenever I do that , your mother tongues my anus ……….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pmmcmetal uses tweezers on his anus.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm#288 dbadass
Well, a birth certificate showing that your name is dbadass would clear that poser image right up, NO?
Let’s start there, can we?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pmIt’s odd.
I’ve asked several questions about why some posters have intentionally targeted one poster over identical (and worse) behavior in other posters.
The result is the timely disappearance of those posters after floating unsubstantiated accusations.
Pachydiplax de St. Augustine, dbadass and ninerfan just vomit and go. (well, db just vomits and vomits gibberish) What the hell? And why aren’t the ardent sheriffs who so closely monitor any suggestion of malfeasance on one poster’s part calling out the blatant bullsh¡t behavior in these other posters?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pmI think the neocons on this thread are embarrassed for being caught plagiarizing. Just like the last 8 years of George Bush, they want to forget what happened.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm“cheney is the national security expert.”
exactly what nation are you talking about since dead eye dick was vice president during the 9-11 attacks.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
cheney is the national security expert. he knows which programs should be kept top secret.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Someone with 5 military deferments doesn’t deserve to be taken at all seriously , much less be privy to state secrets , jackass………….
July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
Another Joe,
This is in address to the way you address others…
they have their own little blog to retreat to…etc.
… Is this ubiquitous “they” not allowed a blog?
I was going to highlight other times when you insinuate other “put-downs” at Zooey and call her names and such, and I’m sure Zooey does it back. But when you claim she does it and come crying, “It’s unfair” do so knowing that your hands are clean, you don’t use “put downs” and stereotypes to make a point. Do so knowing that you ARE being singled out and NOT provoking it.
Both of you, stay classy.
We are all on the same side, really.
Zooey is better.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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mcmetal uses tweezers on his anus.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Yeah ……….To remove your mother’s tongue………Again
July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pmBozo The Neoclown,
That would be Saudi Arabia.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pmOnce again, hanshiro tries to divert us from the issue without addressing it.
Typical.
Moral relativity much?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pmi’m heartened that posters here are not afraid to go after posters leaning too far to the left. kudos dbadass, kay, zooey and others. show your real republican roots. we’re a tight-nit club, one that favors social clubs and denouncing outcasts as we see fit. tell them they are unpapalur.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pm“Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he doesn’t “know whether it was appropriate,” but dismissed the concern by saying, “the CIA is in the secrecy business.”
Does that mean it shouldn’t have oversight? A higher authority, so to speak? Who is supposed to be watching the CIA? No one, because they’re in the secrecy business? That’s ridiculous on the face of it. We elect our representatives to watch those clowns. This “state’s secrets” crap is just an excuse to cover up the crimes of the criminal rich. They want to do what they want to without being asked questions.
That’s the way the Republican-Zionist-Nazi Party wants it.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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tell them they are unpapalur.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Are they those who have never had a pap smear ?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pmGame of Life Says:
Zooey is better.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Thank you! :-D
July 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pmwhat the hell is the great goober yapping about?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pmmcmetal, what an imagination. using your finger to dabble on preparation h is not “your mother.”
July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm#281 kay,
I don’t know…
… Hey Dummy, what’s /snark mean?
It was a joke.
That you took me seriously…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm… LOLOLOLololololol. Now THAT’S funny.
Zooey Says:
Not giving proper attribution IS taking credit, hanshiro! If any one of us did that, you’d be all over us — be honest.
No, zooey it isn’t. Otherwise a majority of posters who copy and paste and neglect a link are also guilty. It happens. Joe never claimed authorship nor published as his own, however much you’re determined to cling to such a thin concept in order to tar another poster.
Still, the issues go unanswered, while the little ‘zoo buddies’ press their libelous case based on gibberish and an error during a copy and paste.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pmBanning the little zoo buddies would improve this place geometrically.
Zooey
rip at ‘em. go at him. dont hesitate. show me you won’t tolerate far lefties.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:35 pmI went after Sarah Palin recently for plagiaring too. I don’t see Hansiro or Another Joe as being far lefties. Where are you getting this from? From all their plagiarism?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:35 pmDidn’t (most) everyone used to be friends here?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
It’s odd.
I’ve asked several questions about why some posters have intentionally targeted one poster over identical (and worse) behavior in other posters.
And I’ve pointed out that you do exactly the same thing, with specific examples and you never respond or acknowledge them. Glass houses?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pmHey Joe,
July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pmI guess your a neocon now.
kay, show the far lefties your penchant for natural selection. impress me. don’t hesitate.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pmwhich republicans roots would those be ye of no name? oh you probably didn’t get that did you whatevr, it is don’t ya think? Well heres to indeed…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pm313.gummble-bee-itch Says: Using someone else’s words without attribution isn’t an “error,” Hanshiro. If you did that in a thesis, it wouldn’t be an error, and it could get you a nice fat F.
This isn’t a thesis, G, it’s a blog. We also don’t have bibliographies or a host of other requirements which would also earn an “F.”
Your fallacies are stacking up, G.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:38 pm#302 db,
I miss the days when O’Liely called us insects. YOU?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pmI don’t see Hansiro or Another Joe as being far lefties.
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how do you figure?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pmgummble-bee-itch
—
shooo, breakfast club liberal!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pmSorry 329 and allthe rest. That didn’t format as I intended.It was supposed tohave more whitespace…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pmDear GOPSpit,
July 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pmEver figure out that punch line yet?
Why don’t you phuck yourself hard with your Bush-shaped dildo, okay pal? I will be checking your comments from now on to see if you’re plagiarizing too!
The fact that you’re standing up for plagiarism shows us that the RIGHT WING OF AMERICA HATES THE LAW! So, keep doing it. Keep telling us a lawless environment is a good thing. Another Joe admitted above that he has a different moniker on other blogs and others called him a ‘faker’. So, please tell us where you get the impression that he’s a true blue far lefty liberal. And don’t plagiarize by copying & pasting someone else’s words to make your point please!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
You can call YOUR clique the “Plagiarizing & Making Bullshit Excuses” clique.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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mcmetal, what an imagination. using your finger to dabble on preparation h is not “your mother.”
July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
And beating off to an 8 X 10 pic of Bible Spice Palin after putting lipstick on your right hand is not a “relationship” , so knock it off , little stooge……..
July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pmThis isn’t a thesis, G, it’s a blog. We also don’t have bibliographies or a host of other requirements
July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm—
I’ll settle for integrity and honesty. Without those two any thing else is just piss in the wind with attempted self righteousness…
337. gummble-bee-itch Says: And I’ve pointed out that you do exactly the same thing, with specific examples and you never respond or acknowledge them. Glass houses?
No, G, you haven’t.
The little zoo buddies have once again turned the thread into an ad hom nightmare, trading accusations and throwing out baseless claims of plagiarism because Joe pasted a case against Obama. Had it been about bush, there would be no uproar.
Meanwhile, they scurry away from addressing Obama’s blatant lapses. Apparently that is the trigger.
Ban the little ‘zoo buddies.’
July 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pmHanshiro, you left something out:
One should be more conscious when using other people’s words. And using them without clarifying that they are someone else’s words is “taking credit.”
Plagiarizing in a term paper will get you an F because it’s unethical. It’s unethical no matter where you are; “just a blog” doesn’t cut it, at least in my book. If you choose to ignore or excuse plagiarism, that’s definitely your option, but don’t expect others to play along. Lying about people is slander or libel whether it’s in a newspaper or on a blog.
On a practical matter, if you make a distinction like this, then you devalue blogs and validate those who say that they are irrelevant.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pmhanshiro,
July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pmI’d disappear if I got PWND by a “poser” too…
The fraudster is the one complaining about eco jewelry – who the hell brought it up? I can see by your posts, hanshiro the antlion somebody is still flaming and stalking about it, but I decided yesterday to ignore that crowd.
Just go to their blog and they clearly chat amongst themselves about their intention to disrupt dialog on these threads, how they do it, and all of the inside jokes.
Its childish, but part of an online forum. Fortunately, most that have something to say structure there comments in a way that it is obvious some thought went into it.
But even then, just scroll by a few of those too because there is nothing “progressive” about flaming, baiting, or stalking – that is what the wingnut sites do.
But, evidently, they don’t have a monopoly on it – guess it’s a good thing – keeps us on our toes.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
And I’ve pointed out that you do exactly the same thing, with specific examples and you never respond or acknowledge them. Glass houses?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
It’s the patented hanshiro smokescreen. If he doesn’t like what you’re saying, he quickly switches direction.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm#310 kay,
What’s a little “wife swap”?
Dontcha know…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm… Michael Jackson died.
Banning the little zoo buddies would improve this place geometrically.
Can’t ban ‘em, they have proclaimed themselves to be the unofficial “fan club”!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
337. gummble-bee-itch Says: And I’ve pointed out that you do exactly the same thing, with specific examples and you never respond or acknowledge them. Glass houses?
No, G, you haven’t.
Yes, I have, more than once. Do a search for bff. In at least one thread that was supposedly “flame free”, Another Joe went out of his way to make insulting and inflammatory comments about the “clique”. I pointed it out to you at the time and you apparently not only ignored me then but you’re blocking it out now.
It’s something that he does on a regular basis and you never comment on it or criticize him for it, because you’re too busy making derogatory comments about ‘zoo buddies’ and criticizing other people for one-sided complaints.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:47 pmkay, it’s just copy and paste on the tubes. chill out babe.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:47 pmMaybe hanshiro and Anoter Joe could write Faiz directly and ask him to ban us. He knows who we are.
If Faiz bans me, I will respect it and not try to comment here again.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pmJust part of participating in an online dialog – some folks aren’t here to share ideas or opinions, they are stalking.
The majority of folks that stop by don’t choose to stay around too long, many that do will move on to other blogs at some point, and the lurkers probably clearly see what happens.
Go to the zoo blog and you will see, in their own words, that they are stalkers, posers, and just trying to disrupt the threads on their own terms.
They plainly say it there and think it is funny – but don’t take my word for it – CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pmStar M is a nobody well unless pretenders are somebodies…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pmAnother Joe Says:
Banning the little zoo buddies would improve this place geometrically.
Can’t ban ‘em, they have proclaimed themselves to be the unofficial “fan club”!
Not to mention, we were here first. And our club is bigger than yours!
Jesus, what are you, 12?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pmFunny how kay wants to take the high road on cut-n-paste, and gives the stalkers a free pass…
That’s OK – shows your integrity too, yeah right, you really are an expert on ‘netiquette, aren’t you!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pmAt least I don’t stalk
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pmlet’s talk about all the generals who plotted our national security strategy instead of treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue. let’s talk about how marine corps maj. gen. stephen t. johnson’s planned nominated to lieutenant general was scuttled because the liberals pushed a political investigation of haditha.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm#327 republicanSScareme,
No, just that Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) thinks it a good thing to be lied to.
p.s.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pmLink that quote least be known as a neocon poser, eh kay/db?
pretenders trying to maintain pretend. Once again the lessers have been pwnd… They will cry differently but critical thinkers and readers will see it differently. I sort of miss the better ones…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pmYou’re calling me ‘babe’? What are you….stuck in the 50’s or something! No wonder you “R’s” can’t progress because you’re stuck in the past for crying out loud. Just so you know…it’s 2009 at the moment!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:53 pmAnyone who is tired of all this bullshit is welcome at TheZoo.
But it’s not an “either/or” proposition. We can’t leave TP to the Plagiarizing and Making Bullshit Excuses clique, so comment both places!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pmWere you proud of what happened in Haditha?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pmAnother Joe Says:
Go to the zoo blog and you will see, in their own words, that they are stalkers, posers, and just trying to disrupt the threads on their own terms.
They plainly say it there and think it is funny – but don’t take my word for it – CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF.
I admit it, I suggested you were a troubled soul. And someone else thought you needed to get laid.
Other than that, most of the discussion has been about cookies and rescue dogs.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pmOh come on! Enough with the Liberal bashing. You know, the way the Righties sound, they are TERRIFIED of the weak, miserable ‘Liberals’. I thought Repugs were supposed to be tough. They certainly haven’t showed it lately. They are always looking under the bed for the ‘Boogie Man’. Or rather, the ‘Straw Man’.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pmstalker…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:56 pmpretender…
July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pmWere you proud of what happened in Haditha?
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a diversion for a question. in the heat of battle, while routing a terrorist joint, civilians unfortunately will be killed.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pmIts not what the little clique over there says about me – there are any number of other folks the trash and stalk too.
Its what they do and you can see if for yourself. I don’t care what they say about me or my posts – don’t read it, but they are making their intentions clear about stalking others here too.
Just saying if you want to talk about integrity and frauds…
And then they come here and complain that the moderators don’t ban others for what they are her for.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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let’s talk about all the generals who plotted our national security strategy instead of treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue. let’s talk about how marine corps maj. gen. stephen t. johnson’s planned nominated to lieutenant general was scuttled because the liberals pushed a political investigation of haditha.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
No…….Let’s talk about those who plotted our national security strategy and were in charge on 9/11 ; the worst attack EVER on American soil , tool…………
July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pmZooey #370,
I’ve been wondering why this of all weekends I decided to participate (other than having too much time and housework). I’m going to your blog, thanks for the invitation.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
I admit it, I suggested you were a troubled soul. And someone else thought you needed to get laid.
Other than that, most of the discussion has been about cookies and rescue dogs.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
That’s not stalking, it’s talking.
Stalking is gleaning every single comment for perceived slights and responding to said slights in nonsensical comments in which the alleged slighter is not identified.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pmyou’re stalking…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pmRich H Says:
Zooey #370,
I’ve been wondering why this of all weekends I decided to participate (other than having too much time and housework). I’m going to your blog, thanks for the invitation.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
You will be most welcome, Rich!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pmyou’re still pretending. ownup and it will go away…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pmJust so you know…it’s 2009 at the moment!
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nobody calls anybody babe anymore? what are you living in, an off-limits liberal utopia?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pmRead the TERMS OF USE
Blog Community Rules
But stalk and attack all you want, those that are here for ideas just scroll past, a few choose to point out the childishness and hypocrisy of it, but that is up to them.
If you prefer – STALK AWAY and then call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulance and feign outrage over someone else’s imagined violation of the forum expectations.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pmYo! there, W., it’s not OK when you do it. Take a look at yourself George. You too Dick, and your whole entourage. You really are a scourage.
And now this! Bad boys.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pmPaging Jerry. Jerry Springer. We need you to moderate on the Cheney hides CIA program thread.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:04 pmHey wait just a minute Steele always uses stupid antiquated kidspeak,…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:04 pmAnother Joe Says:
you’re stalking…
Yes, it’s true. We’ve followed you to other blogs and whispered unkind remarks. We’ve tracked you to your home and kicked over the bird bath . . . oh, wait. That was another paranoid. Never mind.
I’ve known some real Internet stalkers, Joe, including a woman who issued death threats and made obscene comments about a bartender on his well-loved blog. And another friend actually had a stalker track down his phone number and make unpleasant comments to his wife, long distance.
You really need to grow a thicker skin.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:04 pmIt is too rich that a “self proclaimed fanclub” is actually the largest group of terms violators here…
But anyone that reads the threads can see that and in time, they will just scroll on past or, like yesterday, leave the community.
Glad that crowd doesn’t consider me as part of their clique… Bloggers don’t need “friends” that harrass, stalk, and flame others.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:05 pmthe liberals have hurt the marine corps command climate. lt. col. chessani is awaiting retirement as prosecutors are desperate to appeal the dismissal of his case to the full court of naval criminal appeals. you have killed careers. you have made ghosts of great leaders.
https://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSON_ID=78&PERSON_TYPE=General
July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pmGeesh… how far O.T. can you folks get?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pmStalk away…. stalk away… and proclaim to the world you are “big fans”!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pmAnother Joe Says:
Read the TERMS OF USE
July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
If you feel like you’re being stalked, AJ, you certainly should write Faiz and report it.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pmTo be stalked one first has to be real. Seriously take ownership of the lies and I will cut you loose. You could start over and maybe actually influence peoplke. Stay the same and you lies make your words even when they are good MEANINGLESS…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pmTim Vacuous Says:
Geesh… how far O.T. can you folks get?
Now that you’ve arrived, we’re as far off as we can get.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pmEven the residents trolls see it…
But its all because you’re “big fans” of TP
So stalk and flame, stalk and flame, attack, attack, stalk, and flame.
Because that is what a “big fan” would do, right?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:08 pm#361 Joe,
The law of unintended consequences is at play here.
When you do THAT, others will react.
That you are upset by their reaction is surprising to me.
YOU BEG FOR ATTENTION WHEN YOU WRITE THAT SH!T.
DIRTY HANDS DO NOT MAKE A CLEAN DEFENSE!
STOP protesting how people react to you and START becoming responsible for what you post. That you act put-off(but really your not ‘cuz you carry on about how you don’t care but care enough to push more buttons) by how people respond to you is telling.
If I were a doctor, I might recommend a good dose of personal responsibility and a side of humility.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:08 pmSo matalan thinks Biden should be able to do all the illeagal stuff cheney went and did?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:08 pmZooey,
Would I be persona non grata on your blog? Far be it from me to go where I’m not welcome, heh heh…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pmHi Tim Vaculik. I am really glad to see you. So can we get back to that why N Korea might wanna attack my town thing?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pmI’ll vouch for Tim…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pmthis is curious… maybe innocent enough, but, when i clicked on the link, from googlenews, the page said ‘unavailable’…
Former Agents Say Stop Picking on the CIA
ABC News – John Hendren, Jonathan Karl – ?1 hour ago?
Former spies and some political leaders are saying that a lack of trust between Congress and the CIA is putting the county’s security in jeopardy.
(”why’s everybody always pickin’ on me…”)
but i’m guessing the righties are thinking this is just the distraction they need to throw off the health care fix…
not sure how, considering they’ll have to defend the government they hate so much, but they’ll make something of it…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pmgummble-bee-itch,
I’m flattered, but you could have waited ’til I posted some of my famous eloquence…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pmAs long as the original topic is pretty much lost, whatcha all think about the GOP managing to force, virtually, all scientists out of the party?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pmDear db,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pmYou never did answer my question…
… Care to try?
Tim Vaculik Says:
Zooey,
Would I be persona non grata on your blog? Far be it from me to go where I’m not welcome, heh heh…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Read the About page and decide for yourself. We probably shouldn’t waste each other’s time, eh?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pmI am not upset – just pointing out that it is flaming and stalking and those are the same folks that text in bold, feigning indignation about “violation of rules”
It doesn’t matter, they are not important and people interested in the post won’t continue reading and sharing.
Real big “fans”, huh…
Stalk and flame – won’t chase me away cuz I don’t read ‘em anymore, but I did see others announce they wouldn’t come back yesterday.
And that is what these types of “fans” do – they “stalk and flame”
But doesn’t matter with me – was a good dialog earlier, it is all OT now, and this happens when a core group shows up and…
Stalks and flames…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pm**playing a tiny violin for Another Joe**
July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pmI don’t have to read what they say, I just skip the posts that are formatted look like teen-text messages, sometimes I see the handles.
When a few handles show up and post every few minutes, the whole thread goes OT.
And it’s the self-proclaimed “fan club”, stalking and flaming, which is what they do.
And the dialog is over, many leave the thread, and it will all start over again 2morrow.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pmoh no… i seem to always wander in at the wrong time…
i won’t bother… when last i looked it was in the 100s…
carry on…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pmtim is my type, a man who will die for the party. a man who will burn his lungs blowing air into the raft to hoist the gop away while this lib country sinks.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pmThe difference, little zoo buddies zooey and gummble, is that you leave here and obsess and obsess over whom to disapprove, flame and accuse over at that catty little corner of the world you’ve carved out for yourself.
When I leave this blog, I don’t give you a second thought.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pmSure cam I trouble you to ose it again? I have been sort of tied up trying to explain why integrity exceeds made up ideology…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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Geesh… how far O.T. can you folks get?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Back for your evening ass-beating I see , Ronald Reagan nut hugger…………
July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pmJust stalk and flame, bait and stalk, flame and bait, stalk and flame, bait and stalk, flame and bait, stalk and flame…
and then call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulence, pretending that someone else is OT
July 12th, 2009 at 9:15 pmdbadass,
I thought I answered that on the other thread. North Korea has already attacked us. Did you miss what happened on July 4th and for about a week afterwards?
Anyway, I kinda know where you’re going with this as my son is of the same opinion. He doesn’t see a threat from Iran or North Korea and he thinks we would just squash them like bugs if they attacked.
The reality is that any country can cause quite a bit of mischief without resorting to a head-on frontal assault.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:15 pmNow hanshiro thinks he knows what gummitch and I think about.
Lordy…it’s sad to see such a collapse.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pmTim do you think we have probed them?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:17 pmAnother Joe Says:
…pretending that someone else is OT
July 12th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Uh huh. When was the last time you posted anything on topic?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmTim Vaculik what is Iran or North Korea’s motivation(s)?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmstalk and flame, flame and stalk, its just another form of trolling, bait and flame, stalk and bait, stalk and flame.
Then complain about someone else in a childish attempt to blame someone else…
Its really very disrespectful to the editor and the people that take the time to post the topics for the threads, but if they accept it, so do I.
So stalk and flame, flame and stalk, bait and flame, bait and stalk, stalk and bait, stalk and flame.
Maybe no one else has anything about progressive ideas and values to share until there is a new thread anyhow. This thread isn’t a forum for that anymore anyhow.
So stalk and flame, flame and stalk, bait and flame, bait and stalk, stalk and flame…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmit isn’t made up. it is our life. it is our fine practice. it is the fabric of productivity upon which humanity thrives.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmzooey,
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it would be a breath of fresh air to read your stuff for a while.
Maybe I’ll just lurk…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pmI feel sorry for the regular trolls that come here to dump wingnut talking points into this thread – its is emberrassing that a self-proclaimed “fan club” has already disrupted the dialog by stalking and flaming and flaming and stalking and baiting and flaming…
The likes of dung republican, timmy and gooper must be so disappointed because they can’t disrupt the thread with OT flaming and baiting, because the self-proclaimed “fan club” already did it by stalking.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pmAnother Joe are you sure you’re not WayneBRO? LOL! OMG, man. You’ve been pasting large sections of other people’s work and giving the impression it’s your words when it’s not. You need to come to grips that what you’re doing is wrong. Jees. I can’t stand WATBs no matter which party they claim they’re a part of!
And, if you want to stay on topic, great. But don’t plagiarize your comments please because it pissed a couple of us off tonight! We are progressives for a reason….we have original thoughts and ideas for crying out loud!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:20 pmTim Vaculik Says:
zooey,
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it would be a breath of fresh air to read your stuff for a while.
Maybe I’ll just lurk…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Anyone can read, Tim — Another Joe is a big fan.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:20 pmSoory for that grammar Tim Vaculik.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pmWhat are Iran or N Korea’s motivators as you see them?
Dear Joe,
Really?
#408 “It doesn’t matter…”?
Really?
And yet, somehow, it matters enough to respond.
Hummm…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pm… A victim well played, perhaps?
hanshiro the antlion Says:
The difference, little zoo buddies zooey and gummble, is that you leave here and obsess and obsess over whom to disapprove, flame and accuse over at that catty little corner of the world you’ve carved out for yoursel
You’re delusional, hanshiro. I speak only for myself, of course, but I have a life, a job, family, problems, joys and sorrows. I may obsess over Callie Thorne or Carla Gugino on occasion, but you? That’s hysterical. Like I said, cookies and rescue dogs.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:22 pmdbadass,
Who knows? I tend to think that we are keeping our powder dry so to speak.
I suppose that enduring a cyber-attack in peacetime is actually a blessing in disguise because it allows us to see where we need better internet safety measures.
One last thing to keep in mind. North Korea doesn’t actually have to nuke one of our cities. All they have to do is send over a bomb to explode high in the atmosphere. This would fry nearly all computers, networks, radio and TV.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:23 pmJoe,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:24 pmThe real trolls are upset because you have hijacked their spotlight!
Says the poser who is reading all the comments at the Zoo.
The irony meter exploded when AJ posted that!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pmIt seems “Another Joe” is peeved for some reason. I hope he has a reason for using all this real estate…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pmSure Tim Vaculik but still you fail to answer the to what benefit question…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pmIts so on-topic to flame and bait and stalk and flame and flame and bait…
Wearin’ out my scroll wheel cuz no one has a chance to post anything on topic, would get lost in the flaming and stalking of the “fan club” and a couple of regulars that feign indignation over the posts of others, all the while
stalking and flaming and baiting and flaming and stalking and baiting and flaming and stalking…
Real “progressive” of ya – one of them sometimes even has the audacity to post a link to ABOUT TP… and it’s stated purpose to “provide a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies.”
I don’t know how you could be more disrespectful to Faiz Shakir, Amanda Terkel, and the rest.
At least the trolls will be honest that they don’t support the site. The people that stab you in the back are the ones to watch for – posting a “fan club” blog and the flame and stalk…
Sure, stalking, flaming, baiting, and stalking generate “hits” and long threads, but it isn’t going to build a community that will continue to give financial support.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pmIs this what Timmeh’s blathering about?
Some public information about the cyber attacks has been emerging via lawmakers with contacts to South Korea’s main intelligence agency. They say the virus has been traced to 86 Internet protocol addresses in 16 different countries, including both the United States and South Korea.
North Korea is not on that list.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-10-voa8.cfm
July 12th, 2009 at 9:26 pmone good thing about obama is that he is going to create lots of jobs on the cyberwarfare front. so for all you pot-smoking art majors, this is your chance to toughen up without getting any dreaded blood on your hands. get it while the getting’s good. i’m a cs major so all i have to do is declare a specialty. i hope to know the government as well as dick cheney does. he used to head the constitutional purpose of government, the pentagon.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:26 pmScrew that dude Tim. He is a poser.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:27 pmpete
July 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pmWith all my respects let’s give Tim Vaculik a chance to explain his ideas…
So,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pmWe all know I have the biggest pen!s here, YES?
Yeah, Timmeh. That EMP is dangerous. That’s why all the electronics in the country were frieed with every Nuke test we d…
Wait a minute. EMP is a local effect.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pmI might as well use the real estate to point out that there is a small clique that has effectively ended a meaningful dialog of different opinions by stalking and flaming.
One of them even acknowledged it in the thread yesterday, feigning an apology to the editor. But that same one is back doing it again today – does it each and every day.
Point is – they know who they are, they know they are doing it, and they are doing it under the false pretense of being “fans” while being more disrespectful to the forum than even santo.
I have no malice or anger about it – just if the thread is going to be OT and anther flame war like yesterday, I will be sure that anyone that scrolls through the thread has an opportunity to see it – scroll on by if you like.
But people that want to see who disrupted this thread can easily see who was participating in a dialog that others were respectfully engaged in and who came by to just stalk and flame.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pmYou’re delusional, hanshiro. I speak only for myself, of course, but I have a life, a job, family, problems, joys and sorrows.
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who doesn’t? you think you’re special, breakfast club liberal?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pmOops! “Frieed”=fried
July 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pmdb,
Please. I’m curious.
Link me to the fraud part.
Can you? Will you?
Honestly, I have no idea where you came up with it.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pmare the rescue dogs cute and cuddly cuz I am not big on cookies unless they have fishchips in them…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:31 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
So,
We all know I have the biggest pen!s here, YES?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
No doubt, Max. :-D
July 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pmSo very disrespectful to the forum…
And a person has to be pretty immature to think they can proclaim they are “BIG FANS” while being the biggest disruptors here.
But folks that wanted to share ideas, links, comments, and opinions on cheney and concealment of cia left a long time ago.
I understand why the editor accepts it, but I know editors understand rhetoric, logic, and argumentation well enough to see what is happening here.
But 12 year olds don’t.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pmDo I really have to. Just scrool around for the endless Another Joe lines, you’ll find it. It is the one where we had to look atthose kids, and the music teacher and all that feel good about your yuppie ass art center in your stepford town in the oh so cool Pacific Northwest…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:34 pm#443 Shorter Joe said:
Sorry Joe, but that is the way you come off.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:35 pmhttps://slsp.manpower.usmc.mil/gosa/biographies/rptBiography.asp?PERSON_ID=78&PERSON_TYPE=General
liberals destroyed this career.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pmflaming and stalking is a “progressive” thing to do – that is why its all the rage in freeperville.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
You’re delusional, hanshiro. I speak only for myself, of course, but I have a life, a job, family, problems, joys and sorrows.
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who doesn’t? you think you’re special, breakfast club liberal?
Molly Ringwald has been around?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:37 pm#452 GOPSpit…
… And Bush/Cheney destroyed:
1) Economy
2) Rule of Law
3) Global image
4) Rules of engagement
5) Constitution
p.s.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pmERROR 404!
Give it up Star…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pmflame, bait, stalk, flame, bait stalk, and pretend it makes you a BIG FAN of TP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just scrollin’ through the handles that are left here, it is clear that the “big fans” show up, the thread goes so totally OT that even the real repug trolls complain, and the folks that had thoughtful things to say left.
Its not about any one poster though – but look at the handles left, assess the merits of the dialog now versus earlier, and draw your own conclusion.
Meanwhile – back to stalking and flaming…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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one good thing about obama is that he is going to create lots of jobs on the cyberwarfare front. so for all you pot-smoking art majors, this is your chance to toughen up without getting any dreaded blood on your hands. get it while the getting’s good. i’m a cs major so all i have to do is declare a specialty. i hope to know the government as well as dick cheney does. he used to head the constitutional purpose of government, the pentagon.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
You majored in co(ksucking ?
Who was your professor(s) ?
Karl Rove and Jeff Gannon ?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pm#453 Joe,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 pmlet it stay there.
This has gotten silly. Where is Tim Vaculik?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 pmBig fans terminate the dialog, chase away the majority of the posters, and turn the threads into a flamewar.
Then one of them will say, “I am sorry” directing it to the editor that posted the thread.
And then tomorrow, they will do the same thing.
Its all flame and bait, stalk and flame, flame and stalk, bait and flame.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pmZooey,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pmShhh…
… That’s between us.
KayInMaine Says:
the great GOPsby Says:
cheney is the national security expert. he knows which programs should be kept top secret.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
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Yep. He keeps secret all the war crimes he committed.
Heh. Yeah, he kept them all in a man-sized safe.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pmDoggie paddle much eco jewelerer?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:42 pmI suppose, maybe the folks that insult, flame, lie, and slander progressives on this site while proclaiming themselves to be big fans are the ones that donate all of the money to keep the site online.
My appologies if the flame, bait, stalk crowd is actually who underwrites this whole operation, giving the big bucks.
But if this blog is actually largely sponsored by folks that are paying for forum that advances progressive ideas and policies, they ain’t gettin’ their money’s worth.
But it did buy a nice little clique of flamers, stalkers and master-baiters.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:43 pmdbadass Says:
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This has gotten silly. Where is Tim Vaculik?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Probably nursing the bruises he received from the ass-kicking I gave him earlier…………..
July 12th, 2009 at 9:44 pm450 db,
I’m glad you like the PNW…
… But where’s the link?
Telling me to essentially “Google it” is not the way to accuse someone of being a fraud, now is it?
Look, your argument rests in a cheep shot. So be it.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:45 pmWell, well, well… you kids have sure been busy today making mud-pies again, I see.
Just put down the computer keyboards and back away slowly… or I’ll have to send you all to your rooms. :)
July 12th, 2009 at 9:46 pmstalk and bait and bait and flame and stalk and bait and bait and flame and flame and stalk and stalk and flame – its fun to you, the BIG FANS of TP.
Chased everyone else away though…
Sure glad I don’t have this clique as my “base” – even more grateful they don’t jack up my bandwidth and hit counts.
Sure sponsors and those that underwrite forums like to see big numbers here, but eventually the quality of the forum becomes the issue.
Continue to flame and bait – posters and lurkers know who you are.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pmOh chriat, IfI really go track that shit down, what do I gain? Will it be you and your horse by my side honorable sir?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm#457 Joe said:
O.K.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pmI’ll see you at the Zoo.
#470 db,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pmStreet cred, perhaps?
Another Joe
How many fu(king times are you gonna’ repeatedly post the same horseshit of stalk and bait and bait and flame and stalk and bait and bait and flame and flame and stalk and stalk and flame ?
Jesus …………..You’re boring the piss outta’ me…….
July 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pmSorry for the typos. I hate this laptop. Anyway I am happy to as it only exposes the lame as lamer.I just don’t wanna waste time if you will want more hoops after…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pmdbadass,
Had some domestics to attend to…
Time to go anyway. We’ve been watching a marathon of CSI Miami shows. They put the entire 2004 season, which I missed, back to back on TNT.
Don’t worry, I’ll be back as always.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pmstreet cred? Arr you kidding me? I am a wannabee Latin King…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pmHasn’t been on OT post for almost an hour and one half…
Not that I read all of the flaming – its easy enough to see when the “big fans” are just baiting and flaming OT.
Such a respectful group of “big fans” – terminated the dialog almost 90 minutes ago.
Maybe their isn’t any more to say and it might as well be another version of the atrios discourse.
But it is pretty obvous to anyone that scrolls through any of these threads that when a certain clique shows up, stalking specific posters and flaming, the dialog ends.
Big fans, gang, with your own little blog, proclaiming to the world what important supporters you are of TP!!!!!!!!!!!!
The editors and sponsors should be proud to have support like you!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:53 pmWell then,
July 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pmMambo me that ink.
Maybe we should try a search of backwash + moonrise + eco jewelery +bullshit + health care
July 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pmI’m gathering donations to buy a ShamWow, so Another Joe can wipe his tears.
So far I’ve got 43 cents and a crusty button…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:56 pmI am sure that editors that understand the issues and can write well organized summaries, each with links documenting the topics they want to focus on, are fairly well-educated people.
Folks that can see what the “big fan club” brings to the table, or more precisely, what they take away.
I am sure they are wise and patient enough to realize that those fortunate enough to have access to higher education and endowed with the resources to successfully complete it are also wise enough not to look down on others that obviously display a much lower level of education.
But I am also sure they can see liars, backstabbers, and those that think they are getting away with undermining the forum.
So issue your standard apologies, state you know you shouldn’t and come back and end the dialog tomorrow.
The folks you are apologizing to so profusely know you are just disrespecting their work.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pmAJ chases all kinds of regulars out of here and then complains that the regulars are chasing regulars out of here. My head is spinning. “I’m looking at the man in the mirror …”
July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pmYour search – backwash + moonrise + eco jewelry +bullshit + health care – did not match any documents.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pmNo pages were found containing “backwash + moonrise + eco jewelry +bullshit + health care”.
flame and stalk, stalk and flame, proclaim you know you shouldn’t, and then stalk some more.
Say you’re sorry – the folks you are apologizing too all have fairly high levels of education and understand what you are doing.
And then flame and stalk some more…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pmPretenders never influence minds…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pmBut I am also sure they can see liars, backstabbers, and those that think they are getting away with undermining the forum.
But of course…
… It’s not when YOU do it?
O.K.
I get it now.
p.s. db,
July 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pmgot anymore blanks for me?
Zooey
Don’t bother with the ShamWow, a roll of toilet paper would work just as well with that a$$.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pmWhat are we talking about? I just stepped in and I’m lost.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pmMax Anax junius -1
July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pmI Will do this thing that you ask if I must but to what end? Will you place your sword and scabbord upon my table after I am done or would you challenge my word without a commitment of your own?
Hey, that’s my button! Don’t waste it.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pm“CHENEY” ran this country for 8 long years, and every Republican in Congress knew about it. “Bush was the PUPPET, and Cheney was the PUPPET MASTER”.
There is more “DIRT”, that will come to surface, they can’t hide all the “EVIL”, that has been going on for the past 8 years.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pmBig fans of TP can email the employees and say they’re tired of the bullsh#t and leaving until they get some control. Oh wait, I think they’ve already done that.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm.
Big Fat Elephant time folks…
Report: CIA plan to seize, kill Al Qaeda chiefs at heart of Congress controversy
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07/report-cia-plan-to-seize-kill-al-qaeda-chiefs-at-heart-of-congress-controversy/
Read the last line of what I copied and pasted, again.
Now tell me that there was no partisanship in going after Al-CIA-duh.
Tora Bora, anyone?
Big egg on face.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pmWow. Thanks for that link, Max.
Very interesting…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pmdb,
I will stake no claim to those who can not make claims, honestly.
Pony up, Sir Night?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pmZooey,
NP.
See Joe.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pmIt can be THAT easy.
When did TP become a blog about AJ?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pmYou mean the Republicans are lying to protect Bush and Cheney? Shocking I tell ya!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
When did TP become a blog about AJ?
Dunno, but it looks like his record is skipping.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pmI rode ride with thee of no name just cuz they have a “tude….
July 12th, 2009 at 10:18 pmBTW: I prefer to be addressed as good sir knight…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 pmCongratulations little ‘zoo buddies.’
You’ve managed to turn a substantive thread into an ad hom pile of zoo sh¡t.
Why don’t you slink back to that spiteful little klatsch you use as a paranoiac echo chamber and nail the door shut? Why do you have to sh¡t all over this blog as well?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pmrode should be will but whatever. It isn’t like I am an eco jewelerer for god’s sake…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pmO.K. Since the last Elephant dung pile stinkin’ up Congress was too on topic…
… Let’s try thes feces:
Obama orders review of alleged Afghan mass grave
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjc2gjOKXqk3dgB6yvfHT9LRxwxgD99D4Q181
However Obama does stop just short of going after Americans involved with Human Rights violations…
… Funny, NO?
Of course …
… It’s not a war crime when the USA does it, YES?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pmdb,
July 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pmBut I thought good Nights deliver.
Can I get a link to the substantive part or is that sort of subjective…Truth? Pretend?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Congratulations little ‘zoo buddies.’
And a hearty f y to you, too, hanshiro.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pmhanshiro and AJ should just be flagged like any other troll. They think this site is their own personal grudge match. Children.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pmwhen is a clique a cabal?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pmNay,
July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pmNo link from me for I asked of you that proof, first.
For I do not wish to accuse you of something I think you are not, I will wait for that link instead.
Doodlebug,
July 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pmWhat is left to gnaw on when the snake has consumed it’s tail?
Hey hanshiro, why don’t you and Another Joe get a room. We don’t all need to see the circle jerk.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pmI stayed away almost all day so I wouldn’t get into it with those fake progressive trolls but whether you’re here or not you get accused of chasing people away. Hanshiro and AJ are so self-involved they don’t even realize how many people have posted and fled.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pmAnd a hearty f y to you, too, hanshiro.
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hit close to home, lib?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pmHuh? I’m afraid that is over my pay grade! :-)
July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pmHey GOBospit, nobody was talking to you.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pmShit can somebody save me some time and remind me the topic of Moonrise Starsip’s meltdown. The one with the kids and that boring old art center sit down guitar crap. Shit at least I hope they served chai sort of crap…and talk shit about their kids and that goofball Montesorri school and the kooshball and all…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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And a hearty f y to you, too, hanshiro.
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hit close to home, lib?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Why are you still here you sorry little GOP pansy ?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:39 pmwhy don’t you show them what it means to be a “real progressive”?
i’m so glad you’re cheapening that word.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 pmJesus Christ, is that persecution/ad hominem horse still being flogged?
I went out and had a weekend, and I come back to check in, see what’s going on and this stupid turf war is still driving up thread counts?
Other than that, how was the weekend?
Sheesh.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pmWhy are you still here you sorry little GOP pansy ?
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why, are you seething with anger at my earlier takedown?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pmI had to back to one of yesterday’s threads to find this, but it’s one of the best beat-downs I’ve read. Apparently a few other people thought so too. I have nothing to add…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pmtell me about it ralph! the zookeepers have invaded the place. maybe they could show all the fake progressives what it means to be a real progressive. and if they have time, a durable teflon progressive. progressive urine tests, afterward.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:44 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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Why are you still here you sorry little GOP pansy ?
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why, are you seething with anger at my earlier takedown?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Own up to the fact you got internet b1tch slapped earlier , you sorry mary …………
July 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pmprogressive eating is always good.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pmWell done the Moderate Squad.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pmwell done? you have low standards, hoochie tramp.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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well done? you have low standards, hoochie tramp.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Claims the GOP ignoramus who adores Bible Spice Palin ; a brainless quitting banshee who doesn’t even reach the level of a $10 whore………
July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pmOh GOPher you cut me to the bone. But really you should address the anger you have towards your crack whore mother to her.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pmWell Doodlebug,
In case you haven’t noticed, sometimes people have valid points to make. Somehow, calling people names and assigning lables so as to demonize them is quite self defeating.
When Joe does it…
… “How dare he.”
But when it’s done to Joe…
… Bonus points!?!?!???
It’s that double standard at play…
… “It’s not an ad homonym attack when (fill in blank) does it, ‘cuz they’re my BFF.” YES?
If I’m following correctly, that sums it up…
… LOYALTY!
Hummm…
… Almost makes the G(no)P look like they are quite ethical, in comparison, NO? What with all their in fighting, quitting, dissociations, etc.
Funny, I don’t hear them calling each other TROLLS though.
Sure, Joe displays some trollish behavior. We all do, at times. Just look at db and me. How come we aren’t/haven’t degraded into being called/calling each other trolls?
Well, because I value what db contributes.
Just like I value what AJ, katy, Zooey, you, etc. contributes.
It’s about valuing information and not shunning alternate views. Because when we begin to shun alternate views and opinions, we begin to close our minds to possibilities. Possibilities that could lead to solutions and action. I’d rather have an open mind, not a closed, narrow one.
Selsibot is a troll.
GOPSpit is a troll.
Santo Gnende is a troll.
I hope I was clear.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pmRight she gave it away for free. That’s why Sarah and Todd had to run away and get married. Apparently she hasn’t slowed down yet what with the affair with Todd’s business partner. How “quaint”.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pmOh GOPher you cut me to the bone.
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i did, didn’t i? sucks to be you.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:58 pmdb,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pmYou really should be digging up that link, not digging holes to stand in, Good Knight?
max, it’s too late – they’ve expelled you from the exclusive progressive brunch club. it’s sad you can’t be part of their sessions of great progress anymore. i wish you were a real progressive.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:01 pmMax I’m not sure what Joe is. And I wasn’t really paying any attention to you and dbadass because I had no idea what either of you are talking about. But I don’t come here to hear the continual bashing of President Obama much of what is based on half truths and accuses his of things he hasn’t done or of not doing things that he has addressed. If a progressive wants to attack him at least do the research and make sure you know what you’re talking about. And no I’m not a blind supporter but he hasn’t committed all the crimes these so called progressives accuse him of. Funny Another Joe wasn’t around here when Bush was in office don’t you think.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pmRight she gave it away for free. That’s why Sarah and Todd had to run away and get married. Apparently she hasn’t slowed down yet what with the affair with Todd’s business partner. How “quaint”.
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sarah’s a non-partisan woman. she is going to make more money than you could ever dream of making. she is going to wave wads of cash in your face. whatchu gonna do about, $10 skank.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pmThat being said Max I have no beef with you. There is no clique contrary to what the paranoids around here think. There are just people who get fed up with the troll shit.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:05 pmGOPher, what makes you think I care about how much money Palin or anybody makes? I’m not the Repubic here.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:05 pmFor real, can I get few hours to screen out sierra and mesa?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:07 pmDear GOPSpit,
That joke, it offended you. WHY?
Too personal?
Now other people will want to know that joke.
Please, don’t make me repeat it.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:07 pmmaking money matters because she has a big family, a child with special needs, and a market share. alaska doesn’t appreciate her but the GOP loves her. and she can close in on her market share and provide well for her family and rile up the base. it’s called capitalism – giving people what they want and enjoying the fruits of your labor.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pmwhen does a cabal become a cartel…
July 12th, 2009 at 11:10 pmWhatever RHF, there are people here who get tired of hearing some things. It’s not a clique. It’s just a mutual regard of some issues.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:10 pmdbadass, when does paranoia become schizophrenia? Potaytoe, patahtah.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:11 pmI would disagree. While I often agree with what you have to say on many political topics, there is *DEFINITELY* a “Zoo” clique you belong to…
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better walk in lockstep or else youre out of the prog club.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:11 pmWhatever RHF, there are people here who get tired of hearing some things. It’s not a clique. It’s just a mutual regard of some issues.
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i supported hillary for the nomination until she dropped and i went over to sarah. why didnt you?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:13 pmDoodlebug,
We all wear tin hats of one form or another.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/50563230_d4965fa583.jpg
LOL
July 12th, 2009 at 11:15 pmMax, as I recall, when AJ first started posting here his posts were trollish. Then he seemed to change, even told how he had “learned” a few things and sounded sane. Recently, IMHO, Joe has become verbose in many posts and has posted and posted and posted, like he has on this thread. Then he wants to lecture everyone on etiquette and rules.
I’m torn between AJ being an example of too much of a good thing or him being an example of keeping quiet letting people think he’s a fool vs his continual posting proving he is a fool.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:17 pmC’mon Max, you have to repeat the joke now. To do otherwise is just cruel…
July 12th, 2009 at 11:18 pmhahaha heheheh hohoho hur hur hur
hark hark hark gurk gurk gurk
he ha hu!
funnay!
which one are you, max?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:19 pmPach,
All good toddlers love to run once they’ve discovered verticality.
But what do we call the parent who kicks that toddler when they’re down?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:22 pmWell mod,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:24 pmIt IS bathroom humor.
Oh now GOPSpit…
July 12th, 2009 at 11:24 pm… Don’t make me tell that Larry Craig of a joke.
the great GOPsby Says:
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Whatever RHF, there are people here who get tired of hearing some things. It’s not a clique. It’s just a mutual regard of some issues.
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i supported hillary for the nomination until she dropped and i went over to sarah. why didnt you?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
You never supported Hillary , you lying sack of shit ; the only thing Ms Clinton and Bible Spice Palin share are female genitalia.
Palin is a lying , know-nothing , ignorant , religious moron and proud of it………..
July 12th, 2009 at 11:25 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
i supported hillary for the nomination until she dropped and i went over to sarah. why didnt you?
Wow, so you just vote for people according to the type of genitals they have?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:26 pmMcMetal, I owe you a coke.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 pmIf the GOP loves Bible Spice so much, stupid troll, why is she making noise like she’s going to found a new party?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/12/palin-will-campaign-for-d_n_230226.html
July 12th, 2009 at 11:30 pmIt’s O.K. GOPSpit,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:31 pmI know you have never been gay.
Judging by the complete embrace of the non sequitir as a form of communication and his love for Bible Spice, I am now convinced the Lame GOPsby is a special needs child. Emphasis on child…
But screw it. Goodnight everyone.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:34 pmKeith Says:
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McMetal, I owe you a coke.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
And a smile ………….
July 12th, 2009 at 11:35 pmOh lookie HERE!!!
I found my link! Horray!!!
db, you?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:36 pmWho is kicking who and who is down?
If you are implying that AJ came here unable to walk and he has since learned to take baby steps and is now running, then I’ll say he is running amok on occasion.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:38 pmPach,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:44 pmBINGO!
Max Anax junius -1 Says:
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Pach,
All good toddlers love to run once they’ve discovered verticality.
But what do we call the parent who kicks that toddler when they’re down?
.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
A Republican ……………………….
July 12th, 2009 at 11:49 pmMCMettle,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:50 pmTouche!
Oops,
July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 pmSorry for the misspelling MCMetal.
Is the Great GOPsby Mighty Aphrodite? I have pictures of her hanging out with Nazis:
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/08/nazis.jpgh0eyvw.jpg
July 12th, 2009 at 11:55 pmMajor E-turds in middle of the floor…
… Bolding is mine.
U.S. Wiretapping of Limited Value, Officials Report
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and JAMES RISEN
Published: July 10, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/us/11nsa.html?_r=1&hpU.S.%20Wiretaps%20Were%20of%20Limited%20Value,%20Officials%20Report
(sub. req)
Sorry for the brevity. /snark
I’m not sure who can and can not get into the link.
So, I guess undermining the relationship of the DOJ and CIA and Congress allowed lies to be told and accepted about the necessity to VIOLATE the law.
Gee, I didn’t know that the President and his men are above the law.
Nixon looks saintly, now days, NO?
July 13th, 2009 at 12:07 amI came to this blog to read other’s opinions. Although I find everything Another Joe posts as correct, in my opinion, I would read those whom I disagree with and not harass them or gang up. But once again, I find others who would gang up to silence that voice. It’s deeply depressing.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:22 amIt makes me hate people.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:28 amAt what point did the mentally ill take over this thread?
July 13th, 2009 at 1:15 amGeeze!
patsy Says:
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What’s worse in the eyes of the GOP, A democratic president getting a BJ (because he can)
Oh, the hypocrisy!
July 13th, 2009 at 1:52 amCORPORATE GREED PUTTING OUR SAFETY AT RISK:
Aircraft repair jobs sold to foreign workers, resumes not important
July 13th, 2009 at 3:17 am
At :55 of the video (CNN)
Did I understand correctly what Sen. Gregg was saying?
That questioning the legality of Bush and Cheney bypassing
due process and secretly ordering unconstitutional surveillance on American citizens was undermining the morale AND the morality of the CIA???
Is he saying: If Democratic senators take notice of the criminal actions of these treasonous traitors, (that for their own personal gain, deliberately lied and conspired to deceive not only THIS nation and its people, but ALL citizens of all nations) not only will our country become vulnerable to terrorist attacks and all of our Top Secrets breached, but all the spies in the CIA will lose their morality?
Is he saying: Everyone should not only ignore all these crimes, but cover them up as well, by lying, if need be?
That in the interest of National Security the senators that were lied to should lie about truth and lie about the lies and lie about who told the lies?
So if everyone follows Senator Gregg’s advice,
The democratic senate will be the liars….
The Obama administration will silently take the blame for
all the wars, bad economy, lies and torture of the last 8 1/2
years. And global warming*….
Bush, Cheney, KKKarl, Rumsfield, Satan, ect. will all go
down in history as the best things that ever happened to the
planet**….
You and I will watch only Fox news and fear most everything
except guns and prescription drugs***.
Only the CIA will have morality, which raises their morale****.
* Global warming cannot exist under a republican president.
Obama is a democrat. He is president.
Therefore, global warming is undeniably Obama”s fault.
** All the history books will soon be rewritten because of
national security and Bush will be known as the best ever
president.
*** Guns and drugs without morality will drasticly decrease
the population. Dick Cheney will house the survivors in
his state of the art private prisons, where we will
work off the nations debt to China.
****Unfortunately, anyone with much morality is not a good
July 13th, 2009 at 4:38 amliar, nor do they like sneaking around, or butting into
other peoples business. In a quandry to balance morality
and morale, the CIA decides to save Tibet. Fox and Friends
very efficiently take over the agency with the
help of 684,385 twitter follower with no morality issues.
HEADS UP:
Liz Cheney is going to be on “Mornin’ Joke” tomorrow. Mika will be all a-twitter with her hand wrapped around that warm Starbucks cup.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:25 amThey are not at their best. They just had their big hearts broken…
It wasn’t long ago that our winger friends honest-to-God thought they’d be in power forever. It’s useful to sit down for a minute and let this extraordinary fact sink in.
I mean, they actually thought it was going to be wall-to-wall Republicans running America forever! They were gloating and preening and toasting themselves on the Republican Reich they had founded.
Soon, there would be no taxes or regulation. Women would be forced to have babies. It would be winger nirvana…
Eight years later, they show not the slightest sign of understanding what went wrong, or even of what happened. Most of their energy is going to praying for another big domestic terror attack.
All memory of the Bush II administration seems to have been wiped from the right-wing mind, pending the Heritage Foundation report proving the whole thing was Bill Clinton’s fault. This idea will go over well at Huffington Post, by the way.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:37 amPerry, great point! Also noteworthy is just how much information and decision making the administration that declared a “permanent Republican majority” decided to keep from their “permanent Republican majority leaders.” It wasn’t just the minority Dems who were lied to during the reign of BushCo, it was everyone outside of the cabal!
Some on the Christian Right have woken up to the fact that they’ve been used over the last 30 years, their issues gaining attention in the runs up to elections but fading quickly from the priorities lists once the ‘pubs win. David Kuo, who was appointed as head of Bush’s Office of Faith-based Initiatives, wised up fairly early on, saw his funding promises evaporate, left the admin. and went on the write “Temptin Faith” and speak out against BushCo. More and more Christians seem to be taking note and speaking out against the Broken Promise crowd.
The GOP is about to be split, with the Fungelicals either taking over the party altogether or leaving to form a new, uber-Christian party, while the moderate ‘pubs are left to either try to rebuild a “new” GOP or give up on their once-respectable party of Lincoln, Teddy R and Eisenhower.
Either way, today’s GNOP is rapidly becoming irrelevant. You’d never know that, though, based on the sheer volume of attention the party dregs receive from the “liberal” media.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 6:58 amAnd Mika will continue to pretend she is one of us, even though, she just got back from the south of France for vacation! Yeah, yeah, in Mika’s mind….she and Sarah Palin represent the common people. Uh ha. Yeah, whatever Mika. Take your Goldman Sachs stock and shove it up your Neiman Marcus a$$!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:04 amWe proved that the Constitution doesn’t matter–Dick Cheney
July 13th, 2009 at 7:04 amNo one is silencing anyone on here. What happened last night was someone gave AJ a thumbs up on the great comment he left on another thread, I checked it out, and it turns out….his comment was not his words but a complete copy & paste of someone else’s thoughts & work! Personally, as progressives…what sets us apart from the neck drooling knuckle draggers is our ability to form our OWN words, thoughts, and ideas. Stooping to the level of the neocons by plagiarizing makes my skin crawl.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:09 amNot everything has to be so “technical.” You don’t have to come down like a ton of bricks. For what? It’s meaningless. Just something to put someone else down, for, like you were “right” all along.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:27 amNot everything has to be so “technical.” You don’t have to come down like a ton of bricks. For what? It’s meaningless. Just something to put someone else down, for, like you were “right” all along.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:29 amHey! This is fun! From now on I won’t talk to any of you, I’ll copy and paste other blogger’s words as my own to make me look wickid smaht!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:30 amKay, you do realize that proper sourcing and attribution have a well-known liberal bias. Right?
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 7:30 amNormally that’s the way it works, Spencers Mom. ;-)
July 13th, 2009 at 7:34 amWhat would TP’s reputation be today if it never linked to an article and used the words of those articles as it’s own in each and every post? Within two seconds, the right wingers would be crying foul and TP wouldn’t have the clout it does. Some may view plagiarism as a technical issue, but I don’t.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:37 amI don’t see it like that. Not everything has to be so “technical” and only when you want to score points.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:40 am590. KayInMaine Says: Normally that’s the way it works, Spencers Mom. ;-)
Kay, you and the little ‘zoo buddies’ are the only ones who had a problem with it, notwithstanding the bias you displayed towards Joe before you started throwing around accusations.
You had no answer to the fact that Obama is screwing progressives on several fronts, so you resort to the tired ‘zoo buddy’ philosophy: Attack the poster, not the post.
Go away, Kay. Really. Go to maine and then keep going.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:43 amHow hard is it to cite the site the cut and paste comes from? If it’s an accident or oversight, okay, no biggie, and I have no knowledge of who did it, or how often it’s happened.
If it’s a pattern of taking someone else’s words and presenting them as one’s own, it’s theft. One doesn’t need a formal copyright to have one’s online work covered by copyright protection laws.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 7:48 amI am not a “Zoo buddy”, get it moron? Last night was the first time ever I left a comment over there.
I never questioned what he copied and pasted….I QUESTIONED WHETHER THEY WERE HIS WORDS OR NOT. They weren’t his words.
You go away. You and your WATB Club are getting boring. Reaaaaaaaaaal boring. If you want to bash President Obama, then go to Redstate.com, Freerepublic.com, or SarahPAC.com, okay? You all change the subject of every thread and you wonder why everyone bolts from here! Not only that, but I point out plagiarism and you guys scream foul, when it’s you who are foul!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:52 amI think that you’re a progressive like me but you give cover for Obama not to do what we voted for him for.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:54 amChanging the subject again I see. I give cover to Obama? Really? Can any of you list out the proof that Obama is rendering people to secret prisons, torturing them, and is skirting the laws of the FISA court to spy on political opponents and other Americans?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:57 amThe ISSUE is Obama not doing what we voted for.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:58 am594. spencers mom Says: How hard is it to cite the site the cut and paste comes from? If it’s an accident or oversight, okay, no biggie..
That’s what I said, but apparently once is enough for Kay and the little ‘zoo buddies.’
If it’s a pattern of taking someone else’s words and presenting them as one’s own, it’s theft. One doesn’t need a formal copyright to have one’s online work covered by copyright protection laws.
I agree. I saw no ‘pattern’ however. From what I saw, Joe neglected an attribution, something that, if done by one of the little ‘zoo buddies’ would have been extended the benefit of doubt. Once was apparently enough, however, for the judge and jury of the little ‘zoo buddies,’ since they must play out their preconceptions of posters they deem worthy to post.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:59 amNote to self: Avoid TP on weekends and summer break.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:01 amMaybe we should all vote for Sarah Palin because she will make real change for all of us? We’ve got Blue Dog Democrats in the House & Senate who would love to nestle at her breasts to help her too.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:01 amI’m sure if Eric Holder succeeds in prosecuting Cheney and others in the terror investigations, you all will find one little teensy tiny thing to hate Obama with, won’t ya? You’ll say something to the effect, “President Obama has not stated enough publicly on this issue! This means he’s against the prosecutions!”.
After 8 years of the Bush Regime, I’ve welcomed the 6 months of President Obama. I haven’t agreed with everything he’s done, but to fall into the right wing paranoia that President Obama is the worst president in the history of America is getting very tiring. You all look like a bunch of fools at times.
Mark Haines of CNBC a couple of months ago said the market is going to hover @ 8,000 points and then will plummet @ October of this year. Let me guess, the right wingers and some of you will blame Obama for the market plummeting, when really, it’s just the Wall Street insiders having their fun with America’s money!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:08 amI don’t understand all the infighting here. When did it start? What’s the point? Will someone or some faction emerge the victor and will the loser(s) be forced to abdicate?
I always saw TP as a place for discussion, usually respectful, sometimes heated, often interspersed with troll dropping, but it never felt so polarized.
What do I do when I agree with points made by both “sides”? And please don’t paint me as a “critter”, a clique or klatsch member, simply because I enjoy discussions on another board in addition to TP. My (sometimes boring, sometime inarticulate) musings can also be found at other sites around the ‘net.
The GNOP way is to divide and conquer. I guess we can fly that “Mission Accomplished” banner here at TP.
I bid you…
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 8:10 amIt’s that sort of attitude. “Well, at least he’s not Bush or Palin.” You’re not holding him accountable and we’ll still suffer.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:12 am603. spencers mom Says: I don’t understand all the infighting here. When did it start? What’s the point? Will someone or some faction emerge the victor and will the loser(s) be forced to abdicate?
Two words: ‘zoo buddies.’
You’ll know them by their credo: Attack the poster, not the post.
I’ve watched several times where a poster’s motives are impugned rather than tackle the substance of a post. Hell, I’ve been accused by them of being one of several posters here, being Joe himself, being a troll, etc.
Funnily enough, when serial disruptors like dbadass and shayne make baseless accusations at other posters, the little ‘zoo buddies’ are either curiously silent or join in.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:19 amYou have to hold them accountable and keep the pressure on. Obama and Emmanual will be fine. They don’t have to live out here in The World like us.
If you had been a human rights activist as long as me, you would know that.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:20 amWell, you could join the Teabaggers around the nation who would love to see President Obama dragged down the road by his neck and then sent off to jail for the crimes the Bush Regime committed! I’m serious. The neocons would love nothing more than to say, “This is a non-partisan issue! We Americans think Obama is the worst criminal to ever live in the White House and we’ve got lots of liberals on our side to prove that it’s not just us who see this!”.
Have fun. I will be embarrassed. *looking around the thread* I noticed no one has the proof that President Obama is carrying out the crimes of the Bush Regime. He may not have overturned some of them, but that doesn’t mean he’s following them!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:23 amwow, I could almost tell by just the comment count that Another Joe had been here, flaming the thread and starting crap with people. reading the thread just confirmed it.
what a sad, bitter little person he must be
July 13th, 2009 at 8:30 am607. KayInMaine Says: Have fun. I will be embarrassed. *looking around the thread* I noticed no one has the proof that President Obama is carrying out the crimes of the Bush Regime. He may not have overturned some of them, but that doesn’t mean he’s following them!
You need only look as far as Glenn Greenwald’s column, for example, to know the extent of Obama’s selling out, supporting state secrecy, blocking recovery of bush’s emails (which he did on his first day in office!), preventative detention, not to mention telecom immunity.
I care little for how the GOP sees it as some sort of advantage if we hold Obama accountable for being two-faced on habeas corpus or bush prosecutions. (Yes, it’s Holder’s ultimate responsibility, but Obama does indeed signal his wishes, and the “look to the future” bongwater, in the face of several monstrous war crimes, comes off as rather a slap-in-the-face.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:33 amAJ won’t be happy until he has run all the good people off of TP
I wonder what happened to the mods
July 13th, 2009 at 8:35 amWell, President Obama is better than Bush or McCain/Palin! No, I’m not thrilled with some of the positions or actions taken by the new admin, and I vocalize my displeasure to my elected representatives.
As FDR said (paraphrased) “I know what you want me to do, now make me do it.” I think that’s what the TP community is trying to do with the Obama administration and this Congress. I guess I don’t see the same “blind loyalty without question” that others here do.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 8:38 amI told the wingnuts back in 2001 or so that the left would eventually turn out like them in response out of some sense of survival with their rigid orthodoxy. Petty attacks and all to keep group-others “in line.” (I don’t care for Palin but have never wrote anything about her, for instance.)
Our strength is our diversity of opinions and sense of humor.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:40 ammy beef with AJ had nothing to do with holding Obama accountable, I agreed with him on that. My problem with him came from him doing nothing but whining about the topic on EVERY thread because it wasn’t what HE felt we should be discussing
he relented for a short while, but now his persecution complex has turned him into nothing but a self-pitying troll with a one man fan club. it gets old and tiring and does NOTHING to further progressive ideals or goals
July 13th, 2009 at 8:43 amGood morning all.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:46 amWhat a thread-first it was a 500 post vanity thread for AJ.
And then deteriorated even further to GOPpigstys absolute
idiocy.
I think more than a few people stay away from a thread where Joe makes himself the center of attention.
tony and lido
612.Mr. Cobb Says: Our strength is our diversity of opinions and sense of humor.
I agree. Unfortunately, as you see, no one addresses #609, the “evidence” Kay just demanded.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:46 amI’m going to criticize Obama/Emanual when they’re wrong whenever I like. So bear the consequences. I’m not going to be “diplomatic” with other “liberals” about it.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:49 amI guess one of the things TP could do to prevent each thread from going in the “OT but…” direction would be to put up new open threads throughout the day, as Kos does. The ThinkFast thread goes up at 9:00 eastern, but as soon as the next thread appears, few go back to the open thread, which I suspect is why subsequent threads are taken off topic so often.
I don’t know, but I wish the community could stop all the infighting and be constructive once again.
Now go ahead and beat me up.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 8:54 amdietrich Says:Good morning all. What a thread-first it was a 500 post vanity thread for AJ.
RantingTommy Says: my beef with AJ…whining about the topic on EVERY thread because it wasn’t what HE felt we should be discussing
Get the gist?
Nevermind that dbadass was disrupting the thread in post after post, or little ‘zoo buddies’ zooey, ralph and gummble were just attacking and accusing based on nothing. Kay condemning for a single oversight of attribution. Revealing silence on that front and no addressing the post points.
No, the comments are ad homs right out of the gate, and still #609 goes orphaned.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:54 amAlright fine. You guys win. Let’s work together to have Obama arrested for all the crimes he committed! In fact, let’s call George Bush & Dick Cheney and see if they can help us do it! Man, and all this time I thought I couldn’t relate to these two oil men. They truly had our best interests in their heart. Off with Obama’s head now! Damn him all to hell!!!!!
How’s that? Do I fit into YOUR group now? I hope so! *begging like a dog for a bone* I just want to fit in! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:55 amAnd let’s continue to plagiarize other people’s thoughts! We’ll be just like Obama who is just copying and pasting George Bush’s excellent rules & laws and taking credit for it!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:57 amI’m going to criticize Obama/Emanual when they’re wrong whenever I like. So bear the consequences. I’m not going to be “diplomatic” with other “liberals” about it.
That’s fine. But when you present a bogus case, as some outright liars here do to bolster your argument, expect some push back.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:57 amsorry hanshiro, I realize you are the one-man fan club of AJ for some reason, but you are wrong
he began this weeks ago, it’s not JUST this thread
all the posters you are trying to label as some sort of clique are just the ones that called AJ out on his blatant off topic trolling
maybe you came into the game late and missed AJs constant OT whining before this thread
July 13th, 2009 at 8:57 amNo, the comments are ad homs right out of the gate, and still #609 goes orphaned.
It’s not an ad hom, whe it can be proven.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:59 amI agree. Unfortunately, as you see, no one addresses #609, the “evidence” Kay just demanded.
When she wrote that, I was like WTF, I couldn’t respond. I’m not going coddle anyone’s happy thoughts. What good does that do? No conflict with others on an internet thread? How does that help us? It’s like they’ve made Obama into their pet president or something.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:00 am622.RantingTommy Says: sorry hanshiro, I realize you are the one-man fan club of AJ for some reason, but you are wrong.
I see you don’t address the posts or engage the points; You attack the poster.
Attack the poster, not the post.
The little ‘zoo buddies’ have even accused me of being several other posters. That is crap and tiresome having motives impugned because I find Obama’s “look to the future” garbage as cowardly. As cowardly an explanation as anything bush floated.
But for some reason there’s a concerted effort to demonize Obama critics, labeling them as whiners, even though the exact same criticism leveled at bush, for the same transgressions, netted applause and commendation.
I see a stark double standard.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:05 amYou win. Obama needs to be dragged down the road begging for mercy on the way to prison! I couldn’t believe it when Obama put that bald headed gay male prostitute in with the Press Corp either, could you? Man. Obama is just unbelievable. And to think Obama is now saying, “Hey you gays in the military! Die for your sins!”. Way worse than George Bush who had America in his oil lined heart. George loved us! Obama does not. He’s part of the Bush Oil Cartel (George Bush is not by the way!) who uses the Carlyle Groups satellites to scope out the earth for resources to profit from it! And Obama knows damn well he can use our military to attack us so we will go to war with that country to steal it’s resources!
Man, I was so wrong about Obama. I’m shuddering that it was he who was financing the Nazis in WWII. Cringe worthy!
Where’s the protest planned to arrest him? I’ll be going!!!!! And damn it! There had better not be one mention of the public socialized medicine option! Damn him all to hell!
(am I fitting into your group now? let me know. I’m feeling lonely. I can’t survive without you people!)
July 13th, 2009 at 9:07 amAnd Kay and others hold up the glistening turd of plagerism triumph.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:09 amRantingTommy Says:
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“AJ won’t be happy until he has run all the good people off of TP”
I think that is precisely the motive of “another joe”
July 13th, 2009 at 9:09 amhanshiro, your paranoia notwithstanding, this “zoo buddies” cabal you have imagined is not real
we did NOT have a problem with AJ criticizing Obama
we had a problem with AJ CONSTANTLY WHINING about TP and which topics TP chose to post about
he did it on EVERY THREAD and whined incessantly.
you trying to make it about his criticizing Obama is a straw man and simply untrue
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 am623.barfly Says: It’s not an ad hom, whe it can be proven.
What exactly are you going to ‘prove?’
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 amAnd Kay and others hold up the glistening turd of plagerism triumph.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 amBy the way, when I plagiarize one of your comments could you please spell correctly! You’re making me look stupid!
Okay, off to work with the other elitist housecleaners of America! We’re a force! Especially the ones like me who are also paralegals. Scary we are! Be afraid!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:11 am626.KayInMaine Says:
As you see, no engaging the points, just absurd overstatement in an effirt to trivialize the valid points raised. Obama’s transgressions are answered consistently this way with a small faction of little ‘zoo buddies.’
Kay doesn’t want dialogue, she apparently wants to just deride people’s very valid exposure of Obama’s double standard.
Make no mistake, her post is all derision without a shred of rebuttal. This is becoming the SOP with the little clique that patrols and attacks Joe or myself or dissent in general.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:16 amBut for some reason there’s a concerted effort to demonize Obama critics, labeling them as whiners, even though the exact same criticism leveled at bush, for the same transgressions, netted applause and commendation.
I see a stark double standard.
I see the same thing. I don’t think it’s going to turn out well. It’s really disturbing and mind-altering seeing others who I’ve fought along for years turn into blind lefty wingnuts over a pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:19 amaww, puddin’
poor little picked on Joe and his hanshiro sidekick
such sad little victims
it’s almost as if they were absolutely incapable of ignoring TP
if TP is so bad, as you claim, why don’t you boycott it?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am629. RantingTommy Says: hanshiro, your paranoia notwithstanding, this “zoo buddies” cabal you have imagined is not real
It’s not a ‘cabal,’ it’s a clique of zoo members.
we did NOT have a problem with AJ criticizing Obama
No, because you never addressed the criticism.
we had a problem with AJ CONSTANTLY WHINING about TP and which topics TP chose to post about he did it on EVERY THREAD and whined incessantly.
I’ve seen the thread, and no, he did not. dbadass was a much bigger disruption, but you didn’t say “boo!” about his constant derailing of the thread. Moreover, you consistently attacked the poster, not the post. I know, because the little ‘zoo buddies’ gave me the same ad hom treatment; accusing me of being, by turns, a troll, having multiple profiles, etc. You never address the posts, you attack and impugn the poster.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:23 amI don’t care about Michelle, the nice kids and the fluffy puppy pet president. I expect him to do what we voted for. We’re actually suffering out here.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am636. RantingTommy Says: aww, puddin’ poor little picked on Joe and his hanshiro sidekick
Case in point. This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the very flower of the attack the poster, not the post, little ‘zoo buddies,’ mentality.
#609 will not be addressed today, it seems.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:29 amstill wrong, hanshiro
I did not attack you, I simply called you out on your whining on behalf of the other whiner
grow some skin
July 13th, 2009 at 9:33 amhanshiro, in all fairness, the AJ problem started weeks ago, if I recall correctly. There was even a list of regular posters who asked AJ to please stay on topic and stop hijacking threads.
Why not start a supplemental blog to address the issues that you feel TP is ignoring or giving too little attention? I’m not saying leave TP, I’m simply saying that articulating a position in a place where people can spotlight that issue, inviting others from TP to join the discussion, seems a far more productive means to an end.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 amI’m not going to read through 600 something posts so I apologize if this is redundant. But why is the information about the secret program being kept quiet? Didn’t Seymour Hersh TELL US what it was back in March??
http://www.minnpost.com/ericblackblog/2009/03/11/7310/investigative_reporter_seymour_hersh_describes_executive_assassination_ring
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 am641.spencers mom Says: hanshiro, in all fairness, the AJ problem started weeks ago, if I recall correctly. There was even a list of regular posters who asked AJ to please stay on topic and stop hijacking threads.
Yes, I saw the middle-school list antic. Both childish and unworthy.
Yet, again, the bushlike behavior of Obama still get’s set aside in the drive towards demonizing another poster. perhaps in the absense of bush, the members here need an enemy, so they turn on a critic(s).
I’ve been subjected to the same treatment, remember, and none of the crap that was leveled at me was true. Yet, you defend asshats like dbadass, who is about as hypocritical as they come, and remain silent over the cowardice of Kay’s little slinkaway when confronted with hard evidence of Obama’s behavior.
Double standard.
Try the novel approach of engaging the points rather than the tired fallback of attacking the poster, not the post.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:44 amhanshiro, can you explain how your statement “Yes, I saw the middle-school list antic. Both childish and unworthy.” is not an attack on the posters?
Of course you are always right, hanshiro, you constantly tell us that!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:50 amWow. Still at it.
How exactly is “zoo buddies” not an “ad hom” by hanshiro’s standards? Or is it okay when he does it? Maybe that’s it.
I think I have left a single comment at the Zoo, and that was about a year and a half ago.
Tommy, don’t bother pointing out yet again that the reason AJ draws so much ire is because of the way he deals with TP threads he doesn’t like, and not because he posts opinions some people disagree with. Apparently, that point is always made at a frequency some folks can’t hear.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:54 amYeah, well maybe. But when dozens of regulars (”Zoo buddies” if you prefer — no ad hom there) kept telling AJ that he was disrupting the threads and annoying people, and he kept insisting, like you, that it was just a tiny clique, a comprehensive list seemed the most effective way to dispel that little bit of denial.
Childish? Maybe. But no more childish than AJ.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:57 amPachydiplax de St. Augustine Says: hanshiro, can you explain how your statement “Yes, I saw the middle-school list antic. Both childish and unworthy.” is not an attack on the posters?
The tactic was childish. As forming ‘enemies lists’ was derided many, many times here when Nixon and Bernard Goldberg had done it, so is avoiding tackling issues by a less-than-effective game of bullying.
It is just that. Bullying by regulars.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:59 amJail him before his heart stops.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:06 amWow. So the blog version of a grass-roots petition is now the equivalent of a secret “enemies list” kept by a single paranoid power figure?
Interesting.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:07 am646. ralph the wonder locust Says:
hanshiro the antlion Says:
Yeah, well maybe.
No “maybe” and no “buts;” it was childish.
But when dozens of regulars (”Zoo buddies” if you prefer — no ad hom there)
Ralph, this is not the first time you’ve distorted what I’ve said to erect a strawman. You’re disingenuous. I never, ever said dozens of regulars were ‘zoo buddies’ and again, you fabricate an insult never advanced, attribute it to me, and proceed to impugn.
And still, you’ve successfully avoided Obama’s bushlike behavior.
Again.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:08 amOutstanding record?! LOL
One thing that remains true, you fail up in the GOP.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:08 amhanshiro thinks only he and AJ should get to bully TP about what topics TP posts about
July 13th, 2009 at 10:09 am652. RantingTommy Says: hanshiro thinks only he and AJ should get to bully TP about what topics TP posts about
You can bully TP all you want, just lay off the ad homs about the posters. Better yet, challenge their points with sourced and credible information.
Try it.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amhanshiro you’re confusing me.
What tactic was childish, creating the list or your calling it a “middle school” antic?
Are you next saying that posters here derided Nixon and Goldberg when they made lists of enemies or comparing posters here to Nixon and Goldberg? Of course since TP wasn’t around during Nixon’s term it must be the later, isn’t it.
I sometimes think the words you type may not be the words you meant to type, unless I’m taking them out of context.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:18 amMy mistake. I didn’t realize that you were the arbiter of all acceptable opinion here on TP. As you can see, I’m trying to judge these things from the standards you propose. Now that I understand that your opinion is the final word, that will make it easier.
Pardon me, I understood you to be using “Zoo buddies” as a euphemism for those of us who think AJ is a nuisance, regardless of whether or not we frequent the Zoo. Am I a “Zoo buddy”?
But I’m not being disingenuous at all. I really thought that was your use of the term “Zoo buddies”. After all, you insisted spencers mom is one, even after she pointed out that her first visit to Zooey’s site was very recently. Thus I figured “Zoo buddies” was not strictly literal and could be fairly applied rather broadly.
And still, you’ve successfully avoided Obama’s bushlike behavior.
Again.
Um… Obama’s “bushlike behavior” wasn’t the point of my comment. And I think you know that.
But I see you’ve successfully avoided the “ad hom” implications of “Zoo buddies”.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:21 amhanshiro, can you explain how complaining about the annoying, repetitive nature of AJ’s posts is “ad hom” but calling the list “childish” isn’t?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:23 amObama’s bushlike behavior is cast aside in favor of belaboring in republican style rationale and fallacies.
I’ll start: Please explain why Obama leading the vote for telecom immunity is being a ‘chessmaster.’
Oh and why is ‘preventative detention’ not entirely a scumbag bush move?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:32 amFor that matter, how is calling me “disingenuous” not an ad hom, by your standards?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amhanshiro, I think one must be able to recognize that your desire to highlight Obama’s “bushlike behavior” is by this time a separate issue. It’s been explained to you numerous times that AJ’s willingness to criticize Obama is not the issue, but (speaking of straw men) you still insist that it is.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:40 amRalph, he obviously does not know what disingenuous means anyway. What really toasts me is that hanshiro and AJ (who I suspect are the same burgeoning troll) always want links, EXCEPT when they are requested of them. Day before yesterday, for example, AJ got busted on a serious factual error on his claim about a coal disaster that happened under Bush, but when asked for a link his only response was “I’m not your monkey.”
July 13th, 2009 at 10:49 amThis is exactly why there is a kid’s table at Thanksgiving…
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July 13th, 2009 at 10:53 amPlease kill this thread.
By now, we know AJ and Hanshiro are on an ego trip.
tony and lido
The USA republican party is a disease. The GOP is a Demon created by Satan. Conservatism is a curse from the Dark Ages. Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Oreilly, Beck, hannity are demons that surfaced from the ashes of the Dark Ages.
As long as the Republicans have a say so in America, the nation will continue be dragged into the pitholes of Hell.
Other than that, have a nice day.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:25 pm______
KayInMaine says:
After 8 years of the Bush Regime, I’ve welcomed the 6 months of President Obama. I haven’t agreed with everything he’s done, but to fall into the right wing paranoia that President Obama is the worst president in the history of America is getting very tiring. You all look like a bunch of fools at times.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:08 am
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Wow, when did AJ and Hanshiro say that about Obama? The only comments I’ve ever seen them post against him were pointing out when he had gone against something he had said or implied that he would do. I got the impression that they are quite happy that Obama was elected, but refuse to quietly accept actions that are similar to, or protect, the Bush administration.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm