Reed starting ‘hipper’ Christian Coalition.
Reed starting ‘hipper’ Christian Coalition.
After years of scandals and political defeats, it appears Ralph Reed is going to try for a political comeback. Reed is creating a new advocacy group called the Faith and Freedom Coalition, reports the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The latest venture, Reed says, will focus on “finding and training the next generation of conservative leaders, volunteers and activists” and serve as a Christian Coalition 2.0 for conservative voters of faith:
“This is not going to be your daddy’s Christian Coalition,” Reed said in an interview to describe his new venture, the Faith and Freedom Coalition. “It has to be younger, hipper, less strident, more inclusive and it has to harness the 21st century that will enable us to win in the future.” [...]
“Even though I’ve been doing other things, this is kind of like Steve Jobs returning to Apple,” Reed said.
In 1997, Reed was forced to leave the Christian Coalition “as the Federal Election Commission was investigating whether it violated campaign finance rules. By 1999, the IRS had revoked the Coalition’s tax-exempt status for taking partisan stands in elections.” (HT: Taegan Goddard)
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July 13th, 2009 at 3:57 pmGOP = “Grifters Only Party”?????
July 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pmLOL “…. like Steve Jobs returning to Apple”.
Perhaps in his wildest dreams he thinks he’ll be like Jobs returning to Apple.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:02 pm“It has to be younger, hipper, less strident, more inclusive”
How is that going to work? The whole idea behind the politics of today’s Christianists is that they are God’s chosen, and they have to tell the rest of us how to behave.
Are they going to abandon that?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:02 pmSounds like he has a new marketing angle, but will be selling the same ol’ swill.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:03 pmHipper? As in “hip replacement surgery?”
Man, these old white guys are getting desperate.
Welcome to the Dixiecrat Party, Rethuglicans – enjoy your Southern dominance.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pmGod save us from the christian coalition!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:04 pmAfter God’s Own Party’s youngsters just chose an avowed racist as their chairman, they really should think twice before using the term “hip” when describing their efforts.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pmBut their ideas are still from the 16th century.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pmMeet the new Christian coalition, same as the old Christian coalition…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pmIf Reed wants to be hip he needs to hook up with Michael Steele and learn some jive talk.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pmmore inclusive?? well the youngsters’ smashed that last week by electing Audra Shay:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
it sounds like a half-baked creeper movie where the devil’s nephew takes over a bible camp
July 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pmSame clowns, different circus.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI have been watching the second season of “True Blood” on HBO, the recent series about vampires in Louisiana.
in this season, there is an evangelical group fighting the vampires and their human sympathizers known as the Fellowship of the Sun.
This group is headed by a wealthy holy roller who is almost a dead ringer for the younger Ralph Reed, complete with a Georgia accent, and with a man-teasing evangelical hot babe as a wife, lots of make-up and hyper-femininity.
Each time I see this holy roller preacher in the series, I am immediately reminded of Ralph Reed.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:12 pm“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” — Mark Twain
July 13th, 2009 at 4:12 pmif there was a god, there would be no reed
amazing how this supposedly all-powerful being needs an army of salesmen to try to con people into believing in him
if he was real, he would make himself evident
we really need to make an effort in this country to educate people beyond religious beliefs
it’s long past time to give up our myths and superstitions and start focusing on what is real
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThis post points up the reason why conservatives will never return to their previous position of prominence. By its very nature, conservatism seeks to conserve the way things are, which are instead rapidly progressing and leaving conservatives in the dust. Who wants to return to the bigoted, unequal, repressive 1950’s?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmConservatives will never be hip. Because. They. Just. Don’t. Get. It.
The latest venture [...] will focus on “finding and training the next generation of conservative leaders, volunteers and activists”
The training curricula includes the following courses:
Cheating on your espouse without getting caught 101
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThe government as a boogieman 201
Talking to the sheeple like you care 101
Lying and deceiving with a straight face 301
Thank God I’m an atheist.
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July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmReed is such a twisted little $#@&. It scares me to think of the demented skeletons that are undoubtedly hidden in his closet.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmPerhaps selling a “new” Christianity to teens would work – one where they can have drugs, premarital sex, and babies and be held up as national heros for doing so.
At least it worked for levi until he wrote a “kiss and tell” book about the palins.
Now the wingnuts want to kill him for it.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThis bastard is a part of the Abrahamoff (sp?) criminal empire. How is that even close to being a real Christian.
He should be in prison. He scammed native Americans and should be in prison!!!!!!!
He’s Mr. Casino Christianista!!!
Give it up Ralph. You are DOA in the real world.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmLook at that face.
Look again.
If Reed’s life ever becomes a movie, Ed Norton just got the part.
Maybe Quentin Tarantino can direct the movie. It would be like…
Even though I’ve been doing other things, this is kind of like Jerry Garcia returning to / from The Dead
July 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmI’ll second that.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pmChristian Coalition
“It has to be younger, hipper, less strident, more inclusive…”
More inclusive? Are they including non-Christians now?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI’m not convinced that Jesus ever existed but, if He had, there’s no way He would be a GOoPer. His shtick about separating Caesar and God, alone, would get him booted from the party if He lasted that long.
Heck, let’s face it, today’s American Evangelicals would probably shoot the poor hippie on sight. I don’t think they would be patient enough to crucify Him again.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:21 pmHoly rollerism is a great gig, with lots of off-the-books cash, rampant adultery,
Log Cabinettes to cover for clandestine same-sex affairs, luxury cars, free travel,
choice real estate and a legion of moronic slaves to do your bidding.
Wait a minute…
I am hearing the call of God to the ministry…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:22 pmSometimes I think the GOP puts stuff up like this just to give us a laugh!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:22 pmWhoa! Vote up and down… interesting and very hip, TP.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pmFaiz,
This new “Vote Up | Vote Down” thang is broken. All of the Vote Ups are being counted as Vote Downs.
Where did you buy this upgrade, Diebold? Hahahhha!
Seriously. Did anybody test this “upgrade” first?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pmHow can you have a Vote Down of -1 ???? Jeeeezzz!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pmI think it just lets you know the total ‘recommends’ dixie… every ‘vote down’ is just -1 recommend.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pmIs Ralph Reed out of jail? Is he setting aside any hip Christian action for Jack Abramoff?
Lot’s of Christian money is buying land in Israel. If they can’t drive out Palestinians with violence, they’ll buy them out.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pmand every ‘vote up’ is +1 ‘recommends’
July 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pmTP, is up down & down up now?
…I didn’t know this was a GOP site!
Is Pat Buchanan the new moderator?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pmBy 1999, the IRS had revoked the Coalition’s tax-exempt status for taking partisan stands in elections.”
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And this new venture isn’t going to take partisan stands in elections? Or is Ralph Reed going to be honest and call it what it is — a political special interest group that will specifically support Republican candidates and target Democrats for defeat?
I suspect that when Reed says it “will focus on ‘finding and training the next generation of conservative leaders, volunteers and activists’”, that should tell us.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pmZimzone says:
If Reed’s life ever becomes a movie, Ed Norton just got the part.
And if they ever make that movie, I call for Dave Foley to play him in the parody GOP Movie.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:26 pmdixie blood says:
How can you have a Vote Down of -1 ???? Jeeeezzz!!!
I think the new update seems to be FUBAR’d LOL
July 13th, 2009 at 4:26 pmHank Hill: “You’re not making Christianity better, you’re just making rock and roll worse.”
July 13th, 2009 at 4:26 pmI voted recommend on a comment before th software switch and it went to Vote Down.
That makes -1 sense to me!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:26 pmAfter testing it, the vote down is it it puts a -1, vote ups put a positive 1.
The number showing after the vote down is confusing.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pmI just clicked Vote Up on #46 and both icons went gray and the count went to Vote Down -1 and Vote Up 0.
This is phucked up software and should be rolled back, sent back to development.
This is a LAME upgrade right now!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmThe “vote up”, “vote down”, thing may be interesting but? I would prefer it if TP just banned the IP’s of repeat offenders. They would only have to ban two of them to eliminate the entire population of sockpuppets.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmSuch a clean, well-groomed young christian man. Every time I see his picture it looks like he’s fantasizing about having a big stiffy up his ass. Will it be months or years before he’s outed?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
I think it just lets you know the total ‘recommends’ dixie… every ‘vote down’ is just -1 recommend.
The perfect way for RLF to hit new lows.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmReed starting ‘hipper’ Christian Coalition.
If that’s the case , he needs to leave immediately ; Reed couldn’t be hip if I gave him intense lessons for years , sat him bare-assed on the iceberg that sank the Titanic , while someone poured liquid nitrogen into his stupid , square mouth……………
July 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pmArt says
July 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
More inclusive? Are they including non-Christians now?
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No, it just means they’ll gladly take anybody’s money.
“More inclusive” just means “bigger mailing list”. Which means they’ll probably have some direct mail pieces targeted to those not normally associated with the evangelical right, but on issues where they perceive a common interest. Such as mailing to black neighborhoods about the evils of gay marriage (with a plea to send money, of course). Or mailing to veterans about the evils of flag burning.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pmdixie blood says:
I just clicked Vote Up on #46 and both icons went gray and the count went to Vote Down -1 and Vote Up 0.
I believe it’s working correctly.
Clicking on “Vote Up” adds 1 to the count, clicking on “Vote Down” subtracts 1 from it.
A negative number in a post means it has received more Vote Downs than it has Vote Ups.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pmTP’s new voting feature is brought to you by Diebold.
Only vote down’s are being counted. When I clicked a “vote for” and refreshed the page, the vote count went into “vote down.”
July 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pmThe idea behind this thumbs up/thumbs down upgrade strikes me as a good one, even if it’s looking a touch clunky at the moment.
Maybe it would be helped simply by moving the location of the (#) so it’s not right after Vote Down?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pmReed starting ‘hipper’ Christian Coalition.
Is a ‘hipper’ anything like the ‘gipper’?
Given it’s Ralphie Reed & the ‘I’m Holier Than Thou’ crowd, how about the ‘Zippers’.
…I’m down with that
July 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pmMore inclusive to allure Darlyy types into spending their hardly earned pittance on the ‘new and improved’ rag.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pm“Even though I’ve been doing other things, this is kind of like Steve Jobs returning to Apple,” Reed said.
More like Carly Fiorina returning to Hewlett Packard…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmLittle Ralphie is rich, so he must be a good man. He has been blessed by God.
He is not one of those filthy sinful poor people.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmThumbs up to AP!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmRipping off Indians just isn’t the same without a domestic policy czar at your beck and call, eh, Ralph?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmGregor, thanks for the education. You are correct.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmSo they’re going to have a ‘rapture ready’ column>?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pmTrollspotter: that seems to be exactly the problem, and your solution seems a good one — if we move the total vote count to someplace else so it won’t look like every vote is a “Vote Down”, then perhaps this whole newfangled vote up/down thang will actually be worth somethin’…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe previous count was 0 to 0. I voted up and it went 0 to -1. That’s not even close to understandable much less approaching a correct vote count.
The count should be 1 to 0. There are no negative numbers in voting. You start at 0 and go from there.
Plus BOTH ICONS should not indicate that they were clicked. That’s stupid to the core.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pmPlus Vote Downs start at 0 and Vote Ups start BLANK. That’s stupid too.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pmnew system should show both the amount of thumbs up and the amount of thumbs down
else the trolls will use their socks to skew the numbers
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pmWhat the fu(k is with this stupid ratings system ?
Especially with morons like RepublicansLoveCacks and the GOPGotVD lurking…………
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pmSorry this is off topic, but it is pretty funny. Although now that I think about it, a blow job and the Christian right, kind of go hand in hand…Anyway.
In the midst of debating the merits of whether or not a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the CIA, FDL blogger, Marcy Wheeler, says “Blow Job” on MSNBC.
Watch the whole segment here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2152
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pmWho would Jeebus be hipper than?
Answer:
All publicans.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pmHow did thugs like Reed stay out of jail?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pmEasy there, dixie blood. Let’s give the new system a trial. I think that both light up to indicate that a vote has been cast. Up or down, you don’t get another vote. If it’s any consolation? Tracist is at -7 in another thread.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pmkevsters says:
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Sorry this is off topic, but it is pretty funny. Although now that I think about it, a blow job and the Christian right, kind of go hand in hand…Anyway.
In the midst of debating the merits of whether or not a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the CIA, FDL blogger, Marcy Wheeler, says “Blow Job” on MSNBC.
Watch the whole segment here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2152
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I saw that when it happened ; anyone know if Marcy Wheeler is single ?
She’s AWESOME ………………………..
July 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pmIt’s been my experience in life that when someone needs to tell you that something is hip, or hipper, then it’s pretty lame. Remember when Richard Nixon got a hug from Sammy Davis Junior at the 72 repub convention?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm“It has to be younger, hipper, less strident, more inclusive and it has to harness the 21st century that will enable us to win in the future.” [...]
He means “naive, malleable, not smart” so they can program them to go out and create a theocracy for the future. These people are dangerous single-minded. They are THE AMERICAN TALIBAN.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pmRepiggies just don’t do “hip.” It’s impossible.
Joe Scarborough is thought of as “hip” in repiggie circles because he plays in some sort of rock band.
I rest my case.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pmI must admit, though, it would have been nice if TP had announced the change rather than just flipping the switch.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pmBobwurst says:
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It’s been my experience in life that when someone needs to tell you that something is hip, or hipper, then it’s pretty lame. Remember when Richard Nixon got a hug from Sammy Davis Junior at the 72 repub convention?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Yeah ……….When Sammy and the rest of the Rat Pack were 72 years past their respective prime…………
July 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pmWhere’s my fukc U Troll button>?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pmJesus is so hip
July 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pmBirth of the new cool Jesus(tm)
New marketing gig
When I read this post I couldn’t help but feel freaked out! Evangenital @ 17 – I thought the same thing when I looked at this guy’s pic. He looks like the religious fantic on “True blood.”
I hope that DHS is aware and has placed this KKKristian Coalition on the watch list!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pmOh great Reed is going to create and brainwash a new generation of hateful, intolerant religious zealots for the American Taliban. Sounds like Children of the corn part????
July 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pmOther people could be voting at the same time or since you last refreshed the page. The results are the totals not just your votes. TP can only offer features Wordpress has and that they are willing to pay for. The minus totals seem easy enough to understand. I think we could show some appreciation to TP for putting in this feature instead of griping because we don’t understand it.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pmevangenital says:
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Repiggies just don’t do “hip.” It’s impossible.
Joe Scarborough is thought of as “hip” in repiggie circles because he plays in some sort of rock band.
I rest my case.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Joke Stupidborough is about as “Rock” as Kenny Loggins ever was………………
July 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pmChristianity without ethics.
Cool.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pmevangenital says:
Joe Scarborough is thought of as “hip” in repiggie circles because he plays in some sort of rock band.
Nah. He’s “hip” among GOoPers because he got caught with a dead intern in his office and parlayed it into a network gig.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pmRantingTommy says
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
else the trolls will use their socks to skew the numbers
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I doubt they’ll bother. There was nothing to stop them from using their socks to give themselves a ton of recommends on the old system — but they didn’t.
I predict instead they’re going to wear their negative numbers like a badge of honor, as in, “wow — look how much attention I’m getting!”
For this reason, I support continuing Operation FnF for the obvious trolls where are here for no reason but to disrupt.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pmTo learn more about the corruptness of Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff, Grover Nordquist, Tom Delay one must read the book “Follow The Money” by John Anderson.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pmdixie blood says:
The previous count was 0 to 0. I voted up and it went 0 to -1. That’s not even close to understandable much less approaching a correct vote count.
I obviously don’t know for sure, but it could be that other people clicked on “Vote Down” at the same time -just to test.
I’ve been clicking on other posts and the links seem to work correctly in adding, subtracting to and from the count.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pmMaybe a hip Christian rock band would help.. Oh never mind there is no such thing…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmpete says:
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evangenital says:
Joe Scarborough is thought of as “hip” in repiggie circles because he plays in some sort of rock band.
Nah. He’s “hip” among GOoPers because he got caught with a dead intern in his office and parlayed it into a network gig.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
That’s because that “event” is the only moment in Stupidborough’s useless existence that is worth noting ; his playing is akin to watching a house-cat trying to play the guitar……….
Except that house-cats generally tend to be adorable…………
July 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm““Even though I’ve been doing other things, this is kind of like Steve Jobs returning to Apple,” Reed said.”
I think it’s more like a megalomaniac returning to Emerald City.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmdbadass says:
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Maybe a hip Christian rock band would help.. Oh never mind there is no such thing…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Michael Harrison Sweet , best known as co-founder, writer and frontman of the Christian metal band Stryper , is now the co-lead vocalist of BOSTON …………
I don’t know what that’s worth , BTW ; I loved the one-and-only Bradley Delp , the ORIGINAL singer of Boston ……May he rest in peace.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pmThanks, Dogfather. It looks like they’ve since added a | or two after the Vote Down. Step in the right direction, though there might be a better way to do it.
Incidentally, TP software updating team, will giving a comment a very negative score have any other effects? For example, hiding the post from view?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pmYou’re probably right, misscoleopteramolly. The twisted little trolls will just see our contempt as “proof” of what “good conservatives” they are.
On the plus side. I think it may make it easier to avoid a direct response to the trolls. A simple “Down” vote and then move on sounds like a good plan. Though I intend to continue refuting blatant lies.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:59 pmWayne says:
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.” — Mark Twain
“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.“
– F. Zappa
“The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages – as if the savages weren’t dangerous enough already”
July 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm- Edward Abbey
Trollspotter says:
Incidentally, TP software updating team, will giving a comment a very negative score have any other effects? For example, hiding the post from view?
It’s worth repeating…. that would be so cool….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmI really wish people would not announce that something is being overhauled to become “hipper”. We didn’t need a “new Coke” announcement out of Reed.
Announcing that a coalition’s image needs an overhaul would be a clear ringer to society that the original underlying message, no matter how many layers of mascara you put on it, isn’t getting through at all.
And yes, this is where the “lipstick on a pig” metaphor is appropriate.
And by the way?
Steve Jobs >>>>>>>>> Ralph Reed
July 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmThanks for that McMetal but doesn’t hip sort of imply somelevel of youthfulness?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pmSo basically, it’s going to be the Jonas Brothers? Except “hip.”
July 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pmYou’re right, MCMetal. People as “white” as Scarboy have no groove. Everything is 4/4 and starts on one.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pmReed is creating a new advocacy group called the Faith and Freedom Coalition ……
Me being a big-mouth agnostic , and a 1/2 step away from becoming an atheist ; can anyone that is indeed intelligent AND religious please explain where there is FREEDOM when FAITH is also part of the equation ?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pm#95,
They changed the interface to take the number out of the Vote Down style and link.
I understand the intent and math now.
However, the artist has failed to communicate the intent correctly. It looks wrong to a layman now and that’s not right either.
Votes are not a delta; a difference value. They are 2 or more columns of numbers to be compared by the viewer. A delta is nice but not a good user interface.
Here’s the fix…for free Faiz….
Show the Ups. Show the Downs. Then, if you like, show the delta, the difference; the simple addition and subtraction equation that means so much less than UP and Down side by side.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmdbadass says:
Maybe a hip Christian rock band would help.. Oh never mind there is no such thing…
Perfect timing!
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Their first time together since 2004!
CREED!
(I’m expecting the negative votes to flow like wine.)
July 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pmEverything old is new again. Hmm…
Can’t wait to follow these clods on Twitter.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pmdbadass says:
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Thanks for that McMetal but doesn’t hip sort of imply somelevel of youthfulness?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Not a chance in hell ………….Miles Davis was ALWAYS HIP , as was my favorite (and greatest) guitarist of all time , Andres Segovia ……….May they both rest in peace , and be admired for the sheer geniuses they were………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pmDon’t tell me that I’m crazy
Don’t tell me I’m nowhere
Take it from me
It’s hip to be square
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July 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pmMaybe a Huey can take the heat of Purple State…
dbadass says:
Thanks for that McMetal but doesn’t hip sort of imply somelevel of youthfulness?
It’s that “mind vs. body” thing, dbadass. I’ve known octogenarians who were more “hip” than most teenagers. My Mom’s uncle tried skateboarding, for about 2 minutes on a nice flat driveway, at around 80 and lived through the experience.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pmGood Point McMetal.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pmDear Ralph, it’s really too bad that your so-called Lord Almighty is just a tiny infinitesimal speck of dust. What a thing to base your life on, huh?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pmHe’s back and ready to get back to stealing and lying. Only in America can a criminal get away with the biggest crimes while using GOD then come back and trick the people again. I expect the Church will join in for the money and the Church goers will be more then willing to follow Satan once again.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThis guy is a dog and pony show fascist.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pmpete says:
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You’re right, MCMetal. People as “white” as Scarboy have no groove. Everything is 4/4 and starts on one.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
That is categorically UNTRUE ; I am nearly as “white” as Stupidborough.
I’ve lived through being referred to as a N*****-LOVER and/or “just like them”(whatever the hell that means) , since I was a grade school student ……..
It starts with your HEART ……………Which obviously excludes someone like Dick Cheney , who never had one………
July 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pmdbadass says:
Maybe a Huey can take the heat of Purple State…
Impossible.
Especially since Creed’s first televised reunion performance was on Fox & Friends.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pmA new, more superstitious Christian Coalition based on ancient stories told by goat herders that are now used to prey on the less intelligent and gullible populous.
Making it new does not make it real, god never existed and never will.
Faerie tales are just that.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pmPurple State says:
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dbadass says:
Maybe a hip Christian rock band would help.. Oh never mind there is no such thing…
Perfect timing!
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Their first time together since 2004!
CREED!
(I’m expecting the negative votes to flow like wine.)
July 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I actually really like their song HIGHER ………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pmDoes Reed wear his ball cap backwards or sideways?
Just how does this freak roll?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pmIf you’re agnostic, then you’re an atheist.
Theism = belief in the existence of a god or gods
Atheism = lack of this belief
If you don’t know one way or the other, then you can’t say that you believe, can you?
I know people like to say that an atheist absolutely denies the existence of gods, but then that would not follow the definition of the term theist nor the usage of the prefix “a.”
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pmMCMetal says:
I actually really like their song HIGHER ………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Just don’t watch the video. Jeebus, what an egomaniac.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pmPurple State I was only kidding with that lame ass Huey Lewis crap…
July 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pmHeh.
Good work, TP, thank you.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pmWow. A “Vote Down” option. That should prove interesting.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAlejandro says:
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MCMetal says:
Me being a big-mouth agnostic , and a 1/2 step away from becoming an atheist ;
If you’re agnostic, then you’re an atheist.
Theism = belief in the existence of a god or gods
Atheism = lack of this belief
If you don’t know one way or the other, then you can’t say that you believe, can you?
I know people like to say that an atheist absolutely denies the existence of gods, but then that would not follow the definition of the term theist nor the usage of the prefix “a.”
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Not really ………..I am of the belief that I , nor ANYONE , knows what awaits ………….
I merely wish I did , and not for myself .
We all die ; if I could change that outcome , it would be for everyone else , and not myself .
Even if I couldn’t change that “final verdict” , I’d like to be able to comfort those who are fearful that are at death’s door ; especially children……….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pmMcMetal@ 108,
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pmYou are totally free to reject the orthodox christian beliefs. You are free to accept only the faith that you find
reasonable, whatever that belief system might be.
Your faith can be freely chosen.
Looks like we got our wish. I’m not sure what the magic negative number is (-10?), but it’s there.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pmZooey says:
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MCMetal says:
I actually really like their song HIGHER ………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Just don’t watch the video. Jeebus, what an egomaniac.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Sweetness …………..EVERY MUSICIAN is an egomaniac ……….Myself being No#1 on that list
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pmRalph Reed?
Political comeback?
Wait a minute! I thought he was a movie critic???
July 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pmRight. That’s agnosticism, which is atheist.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pmMCMetal says:
That is categorically UNTRUE ; I am nearly as “white” as Stupidborough.
I’ve lived through being referred to as a N*****-LOVER and/or “just like them”(whatever the hell that means) , since I was a grade school student ……..
It starts with your HEART ……………Which obviously excludes someone like Dick Cheney , who never had one………
Oops! That’s why I included the quotation marks, McMetal. In the context I used “white” is a term for a lack of groovyness and inability to step outside 4/4 time. It has nothing to due with race. I thought that the context was enough and I was wrong. I’m sorry.
And just for a comparison. Ted Nugent is a freaking Reich-wing POS but he’s not, in the musical sense, “white”. Again, I apologize for any offense. I should have used a different term.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThe Title on the Time Cover should read: The Right Hand of Hate.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pmMcMetal, Andres Segovia!! I had the privelege of attending one of his concerts – about seven rows back from the stage. The man was 80 plus years old and I was concerned that his being old and overweight would deter from the performance. But no, it was incredible and sounded as if there were three guitars playing, not one. One of the best performances I have ever attended.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pmIf I tie-dye my hood and robe can I join?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pmKind of makes you wonder what God does with his right hand…
July 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm#
misscoleopteramolly says:
RantingTommy says
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
else the trolls will use their socks to skew the numbers
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I doubt they’ll bother. There was nothing to stop them from using their socks to give themselves a ton of recommends on the old system — but they didn’t.
I predict instead they’re going to wear their negative numbers like a badge of honor, as in, “wow — look how much attention I’m getting!”
For this reason, I support continuing Operation FnF for the obvious trolls where are here for no reason but to disrupt.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pmI think the lead story line on the cover was misstated – It should read
“The Right Hand of Greed”
July 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pmDoes putting an “A”in front of lejandro negate it?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pmAgreed. Zappa was one conservative (self-described) that had something to contribute intellectually and culturally.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pmmuy rosada says:
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McMetal@ 108,
You are totally free to reject the orthodox christian beliefs. You are free to accept only the faith that you find
reasonable, whatever that belief system might be.
Your faith can be freely chosen.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Nothing is “reasonable” when discussing religion/”God”……….”God” doesn’t exist ; he/she would never stand by , based upon the fictional/mythical description of the “benevolent” nature of he/she’s existence , and allow the carnage I’ve seen to continue ……..
“GOD” wouldn’t allow children to perish while fecal matter/cretins like Cheney are allowed to roam free………
There is NOTHING RIGHTEOUS about that……………
July 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pmmisscoleopteramolly says:
RantingTommy says
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
else the trolls will use their socks to skew the numbers
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I doubt they’ll bother. There was nothing to stop them from using their socks to give themselves a ton of recommends on the old system — but they didn’t.
I predict instead they’re going to wear their negative numbers like a badge of honor, as in, “wow — look how much attention I’m getting!”
For this reason, I support continuing Operation FnF for the obvious trolls where are here for no reason but to disrupt.
Sorry, lost text in last post:
The previous thread where Tracy got too many negatives now hides his comment unless you click to read it. So I actually like this system, if it is a bad, racist post, it can be hidden by everyone voting it down.
So the rating does do something worthwhile =)
July 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pmThe Right Hand of God ?
Yet another example of why I stopped reading Time magazine.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian says:
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McMetal, Andres Segovia!! I had the privelege of attending one of his concerts – about seven rows back from the stage. The man was 80 plus years old and I was concerned that his being old and overweight would deter from the performance. But no, it was incredible and sounded as if there were three guitars playing, not one. One of the best performances I have ever attended.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
He is simply , the GREATEST GUITARIST OF ALL TIME ……..Bar none.
And we play genres of music that are as un-alike as one could search for ………
July 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pmMCMetal says:
Sweetness …………..EVERY MUSICIAN is an egomaniac ……….Myself being No#1 on that list
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
You can’t be as bad as that guy in Creed. You don’t seem to take yourself that seriously! :D
July 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pmAlejandro says:
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MCMetal says:
Not really ………..I am of the belief that I , nor ANYONE , knows what awaits
Right. That’s agnosticism, which is atheist.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I can live with that ……………
July 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pmMcMetal,
July 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pmYou are free to reject god if you find that reasonable.
AmericasBack says:
…so what – no ones going to write to me while I’m in prison? thanks ya’all.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Writin’ is hard work!
I’ll think about you. :)
July 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pmI hate that picture of Reed. All he needs is a little Hitler mustache.
Ick.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pmYour point/question was where is the freedom in faith.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pmAmericasBack says:
Ralph TWL, Frank was a conservative? Fiscal not social, right?
Frank Zappa was a category all his own. He didn’t tolerate dope among the musicians, but that was (as far as I can tell) because he thought it decreased their ability to focus on the music. Years ago I spent some time with one of his bassists, the only band member Zappa fired twice — for smoking dope.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pmThe very last time modern Christianity even came close to being “hip” was when SOME of the mainstream Christian white chuches finally embraced civil rights, womens rights and ending the Vietnam War.
After that the reich-wing Christianistas jerked these churches back to the right and threatened those congregations that didn’t go along……So much for brotherly love.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmZooey says:
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MCMetal says:
Sweetness …………..EVERY MUSICIAN is an egomaniac ……….Myself being No#1 on that list
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
You can’t be as bad as that guy in Creed. You don’t seem to take yourself that seriously! :D
July 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Just not in public …………..Still doesn’t exonerate my behavior …………I’m WAAAAYYYYY more anal and a musical perfectionist ; which is another facet I never understood about myself (which , from what I can recall , has now reached the trillion number).
Why does a self-avowed agnostic/atheist , care more about musical perfection , than someone who claims to be doing “God’s work” ; or something like that shit ?
We all have our eccentricities/insanities………….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmFrank Zappa was a conservative anarchist.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:36 pmmuy rosada says:
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Your point/question was where is the freedom in faith.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
And basically , you’re reiterating that there isn’t any ……
I’m damned , aren’t I ?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pmMCMetal says:
PatrioticLiberalChristian says:
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McMetal, Andres Segovia!! I had the privelege of attending one of his concerts – about seven rows back from the stage. The man was 80 plus years old and I was concerned that his being old and overweight would deter from the performance. But no, it was incredible and sounded as if there were three guitars playing, not one. One of the best performances I have ever attended.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
He is simply , the GREATEST GUITARIST OF ALL TIME ……..Bar none.
And we play genres of music that are as un-alike as one could search for ………
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What amazed me about Segovia, in his later years, is that such gnarled fingers still worked at all. But I can’t use the term “greatest” for him or anyone else I’ve ever heard of.
I hold to the theory that the greatest virtuosos remain undiscovered. They are the people who play 18 hours a day for a few people in the pub or just themselves. Or they play stuff that no one else can comprehend.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pmgummble-bee-itch says:
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AmericasBack says:
Ralph TWL, Frank was a conservative? Fiscal not social, right?
Frank Zappa was a category all his own. He didn’t tolerate dope among the musicians, but that was (as far as I can tell) because he thought it decreased their ability to focus on the music. Years ago I spent some time with one of his bassists, the only band member Zappa fired twice — for smoking dope.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Man , I’m sorry ; but it’s not “dope” …………..
DOPE is heroin , which NO ONE smokes ; Dope/Heroin is either snorted and/or shot up with a hypodermic needle ………(both of which I am an “expert” on , BTW)………….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pmHere ya go, AmericasBack.
This is from a couple years ago, before my looks went downhill. ;)
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pmHey, I thought Michael Steele was the master of all that is hip in the GOP.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pmpete says:
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July 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
pete , Segovia was a virtuoso before he was a teenager ; he continued to practice MINIMUM , 4-8 hours DAILY , until he reached his 70’s/80’s ; that’s enough for me …………
Maybe you’re simply more attentive and/or a better musician than I am ……..
I’m okay with that……………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pmZappa was a “conservative” before Bushco spoiled the brand for all eternity. Kind of like me, except for the genius part.
There was a time when “conservative” meant that one proceeded thoughtfully and didn’t mess with success. I’m very confident that Frank would have blistered the ears of the dangerous a$$holes who have hijacked the name.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmI like your hair better that way!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmMy bad! :-D
July 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmZooey says:
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My bad! :-D
July 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
You’ve never been with me ; you haven’t done anything near that “BAD” , girly ……………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pmHow come you have blue hair? Yuu must be one of those older hipsters…
July 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pmI take nothing away from Segovia, MCMetal. If I were forced to choose a “greatest” guitarist of all time he would be an easy choice (though my favorite is Steve Howe, but that’s just me).
I guess I just object to the word “greatest” on principle. With six and a half billion people on this planet I just assume it’s impossible to make such a claim. I have a feeling, which may be wrong, that there’s some kid no one has heard of who could “school” Segovia. There’s always the young disciple, or radical, who surpasses the master.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pmBy ‘hipper’ he means Texas Hold ‘em Nights instead of Bingo.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:05 pmA “hipper” Christian Coalition?
Will Indian casinos be invited to join, Ralphie?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pmZooey,
You are cute and extremely photogentic. Can I send you a release form?
We can make some seriously cute money….
July 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pmBTW, MCMetal. I played guitar for about 15 years and, essentially, learned two songs. I convinced myself that I was not a musician.
Then I started writing lyrics for songs a friend of mine wrote. Since no one stepped up to sing them I tried it myself, when I was about 40. What a shock! I discovered I could sing well enough that I could bear to listen to the recordings and my musician friends insisted I keep it up.
We have a band of “old farts” with about 30 original songs and have a great time playing them. Once in a great while I even step outside my own inadequacies and sing some old favorite. But? I still don’t consider myself a musician.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pmThere is nothing “hip” about the religious right or the devoutly religious. These people are the most dangerous people on earth. One needs only to look at those who threaten terrorism on the United States to know that these people should never ascend to any position of power.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:22 pmMCMetal says:
Man , I’m sorry ; but it’s not “dope” …………..
DOPE is heroin , which NO ONE smokes ; Dope/Heroin is either snorted and/or shot up with a hypodermic needle ………(both of which I am an “expert” on , BTW)………….
Sorry, but when Zappa fired people for smoking DOPE, your definition did not apply. Dig out a Freak Brothers comic:
“Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.”—Freewheelin’ Franklin
Don’t teach your gramma to suck eggs, or teach an old hippie about how to talk, McM.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:26 pmI guess Ralphie Reed has not watched this:
Episode: 709
Christian Rock Hard
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103772/
July 13th, 2009 at 6:28 pmDoodlebug Shayne says:
I like your hair better that way!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Watch it, girl!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:30 pmPic of a young Ralph Reed.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pmActually I am thinking that maybe they could up date the Freak Brothers as like some really annoying youthful door to door WatchTower kids that take really long strides and lean way back while wandering the neighborhood
July 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm“Hipper?” He’s still stuck in the 60s!
Lol.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:01 pmDamn, dbadass. I almost sprayed beer out my nose!
You remind me of the last time a couple of “missionaries” stopped by to talk about Mormonism. I told them I was busy but, if they would give me their home address, I would be happy to stop by their house and chat about atheism.
I’m still waiting for that invite.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pmAlways the con artist and never wanting to work for a living, Ralph Reed discovered if you shout ‘Hallelujah Jesus’ while waving your hands in the air not everybody wants to lock you up. Some people actually come over and put money $$$ in your pocket.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pmThank you Brother Ralph!
Ralph Reed is the son of the Devil. He’s not a christian at all. I’m telling you this man is pure evil.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:33 pmIs Ralph Damian?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pmReggie says:
Thank God I’m an atheist.
THat is hysterical if you use it the context John Denver’s “Thank God I’m a Country Boy”
Re-write the words, since that song is about Born again Chrisitianity, and then you have perfectly good tune.
“Thank God I’m an atheist.”
Funny as shiit
July 13th, 2009 at 9:32 pmSOrry, I was thinking about ROcky Mountain High.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:33 pmmuy rosada says:
McMetal@ 108,
You are totally free to reject the orthodox christian beliefs. You are free to accept only the faith that you find
reasonable, whatever that belief system might be.
Your faith can be freely chosen.
But, but then Gawd is NOT all powerful, since he cannot control that which I do with my “Free will.”
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pmSo is Gawd omnipotent or not?
“Hipper” as in putting on his cap backwards? He doesn’t understand people at all. Saying that it’s going to be “hipper” doesn’t make it hip. I don’t know one “hip” teabagger. Even he’s not “hip.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why must he use God name in vain? Another vain teabagger coalition. Christian? Telephone booths? Crook.
repugs want to form people in their warped images instead of accepting people the way they are. All along repugs are doing as they pleased/acting stupid, racist and loony. PATHETIC!
He’s a joke, a rat and should be laying low. The scumbag.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pmAnother Joe says:
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Perhaps selling a “new” Christianity to teens would work – one where they can have drugs, premarital sex, and babies and be held up as national heros for doing so.
At least it worked for levi until he wrote a “kiss and tell” book about the palins.
Now the wingnuts want to kill him for it.
This makes no sense, especially since I’m pretty sure you’re usually siding with the conservatives and Republicans, Another Joe. Sarah Palin’s family is * republican* (including her teenage daughter with an out-of-wedlock child) and it’s the *Republicans* who go after Levi every time he criticizes Gov. Palin.
Or am I wrong, and your quote is actually a slam on the Republicans? Like I said, I’m not sure. I was pretty sure you mainly slammed the Democrats.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:00 amOnce a hypocrite always a hypocrite……..the younger generation has seen through the HYPOCRISY.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:31 amLaugh all you want. If Brother Ralph can get me eternal life, I’m in!
“Where do I sign Bro? What’s that? Just send money? But, but, but… you mean you are just playing the patsies for their money? Why, that makes you look cheap.”
July 14th, 2009 at 1:24 amWhat could be hipper to today’s youth than someone who despises minorities, preaches hate against gays and derides women as second class citizens?
Oh, and that Time cover photo?
Holy Narc Batman!
This clown wouldn’t know from hip if it rolled up to him on a Segway, listening to an IPod and smoking joint.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:41 amIf you want to see the right wing (i.e. failed) relationship between religion and government in America look no further than Ralph Reed.
If you want to see the moderate left relationship between religion and government in America look no further than Dr Francis S Collins M.D. P.H.D., Obama’s pick for the National Institutes of Health, and author of the revolutionary book “The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief.”
July 14th, 2009 at 1:42 amMCMetal says:
You’ve never been with me ; you haven’t done anything near that “BAD” , girly ……………..
July 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Oh my…
July 14th, 2009 at 3:06 am“New and improved Jesus! Taste the rich whiteness.”
July 14th, 2009 at 9:03 amThis guy is just plain vile. Wayne, I love the Mark Twain quote.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:29 amJebus, all that Time cover picture needs is a little Hitler mustache, eh?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:18 amRe: Post 197:
My ex, who is Wiccan, nailed a pair of bible-bangers really good one time.
He was getting ready to do a full moon ceremony, and was dressed in his hooded black robe, when they knocked on his door. He raised his arms and thundered: “IF YOU PEOPLE _EVER_ INTERRUPT ME IN THE MIDDLE OF A SPELL AGAIN, I’LL _TURN YOU ALL INTO TOADS_!!!!!!!!!!
They _ran_ off the porch and peeled out at about 90 per.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pmWhen Ralph says that this won’t be your daddy’s Christian coalition, I guess he means that he will be helping to supply slush fund money like he did for Jack Abramoff and prostitutes like he did for Senator Vitter.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pmReed is like the thing that would not die. Like all members of the theocratic Taliban, he drags himself out of the muck and comes back again to gnaw on the carcass of what is left of America. And he will not be happy until all individuality is gone and we all march in lock step to his vision of god. Where Onward Christian Soldiers is blared on the streets 24/7 to brain dead followers. He is trying for his own resurrection. He is phony and he is without ethics.
Evil does exist. And in resides in the minds and hearts of all fundamentalists religions of all kinds. The middle east is not the only place these nut jobs reside. Fundamentalism lives everywhere. They chain minds and souls. Hallelujah!!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pm