ThinkFast: July 13, 2009
ThinkFast: July 13, 2009
The Senate Judiciary Committee begins Supreme Court confirmation hearings for Judge Sonia Sotomayor today. President Obama called Sotomayor from the Oval Office “this morning to wish her good luck as she completed preparations for her confirmation hearing,” the White House said. The Wonk Room will be live-blogging.
The Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives. The targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it.”
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in charge of forces in Afghanistan, said he “won’t be deterred by administration statements that he cannot have more U.S. troops.” In an interview with McClatchy, he said, “If I change my calculus based on what I think economic or political things are, then they are not benefiting from an absolutely untainted recommendation from me.”
Ambassador Chris Hill, the top U.S. diplomatic envoy to Iraq, “escaped unharmed from a roadside bomb that targeted his convoy in a southern province, the U.S. Embassy said Sunday.” A roadside bomb exploded as an embassy convoy was driving through Thiqar province. No embassy personnel were hurt in the attack.
President Obama’s health care agenda is unlikely to be completed by Congress before the White House’s August deadline. But Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) expressed confidence that the Finance Committee will approve legislation by early August. And, “Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said she remains optimistic” that Congress will send legislation to the White House before the year ends.
Obama has speeches planned this week in New York and Michigan, and he said he will try to calm anxiety over the health care debate. “My biggest job is to explain to the American people why this is so important and give them confidence that we can do better than we’re doing right now,” Obama said.
After a week of national condemnation, a suburban Philadelphia swim club “has invited children from a largely minority day-care center to come back after a June reversal that fueled allegations of racism against the club.” In a “hastily called Sunday afternoon meeting,” club members “voted overwhelmingly to try to work things out with the day-care center.”
According to new studies of jobless data, “unemployment among blacks in New York City has increased much faster than for whites, and the gap appears to be widening at an accelerating pace.” By the end of March, there were about 80,000 more unemployed blacks than whites.
President Barack Obama is holding a daylong summit at the White House today to help his administration start writing a national policy on urban areas. “Obama in February created a White House Office of Urban Affairs, which has mostly remained out of public sight. Now, former Bronx New York Borough President Adolfo Carrion plans to take a prominent role as the office’s director.”
And finally: Small Business Administration (SBA) staffers noticed that their Internet connections had “slowed dramatically” last Tuesday — coincidentally, at the same time as the Michael Jackson funeral. In response, SBA officials “sent out a notice that everyone’s streaming video capacity was being disabled for the afternoon because so many people were watching [streaming video of] the funeral.”
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But I’m sure the trolls will find some way to blame this on Obama, or claim “see? Obama is exactly the same as Bush!”
It will be great when TP gets their moderators back
July 13th, 2009 at 9:02 amThe Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives.
That still doesn’t make it legal , you jackasses……….
July 13th, 2009 at 9:02 amSo the secret plan supposedly had not become fully operational — does the WSJ think that makes it less illegal?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:05 amThe longer the blue dogs bicker on health care, the more likely it is that the calendar will work against passage.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:08 amThe Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives.
‘Calls to Cheney & his spokesman have not been returned’…
Right.
Big Dick was on every TV show imaginable just weeks ago, trying preemptive tactics to deflect attention to his little secret programs.
The Party of No is now trying to cover his ass, suggesting National Security is at stake.
Isn’t that the same reason they used to START the programs?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:08 amwell, they arrested all those “terrorists” that were not even in the full planning stages yet, had no materials or ability to pull off their “plans”, and were only even in a position to plan because of an undercover informant that entrapped them into it
I say that makes the Cheney Cabal guilty of conspiracy at the very least.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:08 amGood grief! The MJ funeral messed up the internet last week.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 amIt messed up all television coverage of everything. The media continued to defend their over-the-top-coverage, which says more about them than it does about the story.
Cheney must be in his undisclosed location these days.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:12 amConsidering his television omnipresence of a few weeks ago, this is quite the reversal.
The Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives.
bullsh!t. now why would a program targeting the most wanted men on the planet (from a u.s. perspective) have to be hidden from congress. unless, of course, the targeting definition was elastic…
July 13th, 2009 at 9:14 amMCMetal Says:
The Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives.
That still doesn’t make it legal , you jackasses……….
And that’s assuming that the murdoch-owned WSJ is reporting accurately. It’s just as likely that
“The targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational”
storyline is planted. I guessing that not only was the project operational, they had indeed killed people who had nothing to do with Al Queda at all. In fact, This is the rag of choice for Carl Rove “Op Ed” pieces after all.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:15 amAnd the Republicans’ biggest job is to obstruct and defeat Obama at every turn. So far, it appears they’re winning.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:15 amWho in the hell is Ann Althouse (Outhouse?) ?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:16 amOh, nice way to offer justification! The GNOP has been stepping up their efforts to scare the sh!t out of the public, Cheney and his minions are banking on another attack in order to regrab power, and now the WSJ is claiming that “gee, that illegal program was poised to capture al Qaida terrorists but those damn libs foiled the Plan!”
If our nation is attacked again, my tinfoil hat comes out of storage.
PEACE
July 13th, 2009 at 9:16 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Conservative Free Republic blog in free speech flap after racial slurs directed at Obama children:
A sad side-light to your post Dr Matt, is that you had to go to Canada to find a newspaper that cares about this issue.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 amPossible translation: the CIA hadn’t assassinated everyone on their hit list by the time Panetta ended the program, hence it was not “fully” operational.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 amSenator, is your Party going to work toward health care reform?
NO!
-Sen. John Kyl (R-Ahole) / 7/12/09 / ABC-This Week
July 13th, 2009 at 9:23 amIt was a CIA assassination of Diem in Vietnam that really got us sucked in and bogged down in South Vietnam. Congress then passed laws making assassinations illegal. That law is still on the books. The military is expected to take out the enemy, indeed those drone strikes in Pakistan are supposed to be doing just that. The problem comes when those “operatives” end up being wedding parties, etc. This is why oversight is so essential.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:26 amMCMetal Says:
Who in the hell is Ann Althouse (Outhouse?) ?
Someone who still holds bitter feelings for never having her posterior “gawked” at!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:27 amDr. Matt,
July 13th, 2009 at 9:31 amI think David Schuster on MSNBC is going to bring up this nasty, nasty issue today.
When liberal blogs are held responsible for comments of all who post there, it is only right that the rightwingers be held accountable.
The comments made about Malia Obama were jaw-dropping hate-filled racism.
Hey, uppity white man, admit it. You can’t stand a black man in the Oval Office. Cool it! Your time as top dog is slip sliding away. So shut up and let the rest of the world live in decency and honor.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 amDrone fired missiles are targeted assassinations. The CIA operates drones in foreign countries.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 amBobwurst Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Conservative Free Republic blog in free speech flap after racial slurs directed at Obama children:
A sad side-light to your post Dr Matt, is that you had to go to Canada to find a newspaper that cares about this issue.
Good point, bobwurst. So much for the “we’re beyond racism” crowd.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 amI’m new to this blog but I’m figuring out the ones and their pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amBobwurst Says:
“The targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational”
storyline is planted. I guessing that not only was the project operational, they had indeed killed people who had nothing to do with Al Queda at all. In fact, This is the rag of choice for Carl Rove “Op Ed” pieces after all.
That was my first thought when I read that. The “hadn’t become fully operational” is probably just another lie to try to soften the impact of the story and there have been way too many critics or political enemies of the Bush Administration / Iraq War that have died in “suicides” and “accidents” in the last few years.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amToday I read of three prisoners who escaped from a high-security prison in Indiana.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amDoes anyone else think it curious that this has happened (which may be for the first time in my memory)when there is a debate going on about what to do with Guantanamo inmates who are found guilty?
Matt, thanks for the link. The hate-mongering by the likes of O’Reilly and Limbaugh is coming home to roost. When the revolution comes, it will be lead by hate-filled racists and holier-than-thou christians who see violence as an acceptable method of forcing their will upon others. Meanwhile, the ruling class who pull their strings will stay above the fray and let mob rule take out “liberal” intellectuals.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:38 amThe Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program…
Has to be a lie then…
July 13th, 2009 at 9:38 amMr. Cobb,
July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 amI’m sorry. What?
Wait a minute, does this mean that Bush admin was NOT trying to assassinate Al Qaida operatives, that the program was not operational? The biggest issue is not that they didn’t report it to Congress, the issue is that they failed to implement what most Americans would agree would have been a legitimate program, even liberals like me. The claims that Bush kept us safe for 8 years, except for the 9-11 thing, were based on what, dumb luck?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 amKUDOS to Obama for his healthcare statement – sounds like he gets it. The public certianly gets it – now if he can just leverage those 2 and get enough support in congress.
This should be doable with not read for “bipartisan” BS or capitulation to the blue dogs and party of NO!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:40 amThis just pi$$es me off to no end.
Why are young children NOT off limits to the scorn and ridicule from the right?
(”Dog in the White House” reference to Chelsea via Oxybreath)
And I’m not talking underage teens getting alcohol.
I’m talking YOUNG!
Yeah, the political party for family, my arse!
Mucking forons!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:41 amThe claims that Bush kept us safe for 8 years, except for the 9-11 thing, were based on what, dumb luck?
Either that or 9/11 was an inside job, after all…
July 13th, 2009 at 9:42 amMr. Cobb Says:
I’m new to this blog but I’m figuring out the ones and their pet president.
You may want to learn how to post a full coherent sentence.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:45 amDRxJ Says:
This just pi$$es me off to no end.
Why are young children NOT off limits to the scorn and ridicule from the right?
(”Dog in the White House” reference to Chelsea via Oxybreath)
And I’m not talking underage teens getting alcohol.
I’m talking YOUNG!
Yeah, the political party for family, my arse!
They’re not terribly convincing, are they?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:46 amObama is not the same as bush, but he hasn’t consistenly been the same as CANDIDATE obama either.
Guess that is part of the process, but doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call him on it. A few want to proclaim that this is all part of a SECRET strategy to blah blah blah blah…
All baseless, but any has a right to speculate and post what they want. If those groundless speculation about a “chessgame” are correct, then can’t be wrong to talk about noticing the disjoint.
And keeping the issues that matter on the radar, even though some have divined that they will eventually surprise us all and POOF – deliver candidate Obama when everyone least expects it!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:47 amWill be nice, tommie, if the moderators get back, maybe they will do something about the stalking/flaming trolls.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:47 amWSJ is not trying to say it is legal – they are taking the lead, “catapulting the propagana” that the rest of the noise machine will chatter to create an “echo-chamber.”
Here’s how it works:
1. National rag like NYT, WSJ, perhaps even the falling WAPO prints a lie (there are others too).
2. Rest of mainstream media repeats the lie, proclaiming it “news” and “highly important” because the lying liars in step one reported it – no attempt is made to ascertain the accuracy/truth of the statement.
3. Now talking heads and pols can endlessly repeat the lie, acting like it is now common knowledge, a truth manifest in itself.
This is what chimpy was referting to when he said he repeated crap “over and over” and that this would “catapult the propaganda”. And the “news cycle” begins again.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:53 amAnyone that states ‘I’m new to this blog’ is most likely here to disrupt.
Add ‘pet president’ & you have a Trajan the Troll recipe brewing…
July 13th, 2009 at 9:54 amwayne – the small group that proclaims themselves the biggest of bit TP fans (while disrespecting the editors each day and their posts) regularly post disjointed strings of text, often while stalking and flaming.
You don’t pretend to be a grammar cop then…
July 13th, 2009 at 9:58 amYou may want to learn how to post a full coherent sentence.
I guess I just don’t have a pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:59 amMr. Cobb,
July 13th, 2009 at 10:00 amI’m sorry, what?
Where’s me pet president? I got to have me one of those.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:01 amDoc, I saw that and immediately dismissed it as worthy of attention. We know the Right is riddled with racists just waiting for an opportunity to express themselves, but it was anonymous comments on a blog post.
I wouldn’t want the progressive movement judged by the comments on TP, so I’m not going to bother with freepers comments.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:02 amMr. Cobb Says:
I guess I just don’t have a pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:59 am
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Whatever you do, don’t get an Andrew Jackson. They’re simply untrainable and leave a mess everywhere. I’d recommend either a Coolidge or a Cleveland.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:02 amThe Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives. The targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it.”
And Cheney will be brought to justice over this illegally sanctioned death squad when?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:03 amThe targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it.”
this must be what george will was referring to on abc yesterday…
though at the time, i thought he was reading from WaPo…
still, it was an obvious attempt to excuse and deflect…
July 13th, 2009 at 10:04 amI recently saw a neighbor of mine at the grocery store, a legal immigrant from Guatemala who has a business and who votes republican all the time. He claims to be an “economics” republican, and he has been trying to understand my own hostility to his party.
While we were chatting about nothing important, a middle-aged white guy banged into my cart. I started to move away, but the white guy immediately started yelling at my neighbor, calling him a wetback, a crack dealer, and told him to go back to his own country. “America is for Americans,” he yelled angrily. “Get the f*** out
of my country.”
I said to my neighbor, “That’s why I don’t vote for your party at all. How do you
put up with that sh**?”
He grimaced and said, “Sometimes, it’s really tough.”
The repiggies will continue to lose more Hispanics like my neighbor with all this anti-Sotomayor and anti-Hispanic nonsense.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:05 amRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
And Cheney will be brought to justice over this illegally sanctioned death squad when?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:03 am
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As soon as he’s brought to justice for falsifying intelligence in order to lead the country to war or for legally sanctioning torture.
Also, is this the same targeted assassination program that Sy Hersch reported on almost a year ago, or a different thing?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:07 ambut then where will you post?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:07 amTPM has a bit more on the the topic of that last thread from yesterday – holding dur chimpfurher’s administration accountable:
Obama Faces a New Push to Look Back
They gave repugs a chance to work cooperatively. They refused and have resumed the “scorched earth” strategies from the clinton years.
The best thing to do would be to expose all of their incompetence and crimes, tying those morons up with so many investigations that they cannot possibly be on their talking points about anything.
Given the depth of their depravity and criminality, it would be possible to FULLY OVERWHELM their little minds, essentially creating “flypaper” for stooooooooooopid politicians.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:08 amAnother Joe Says:
WSJ is not trying to say it is legal – they are taking the lead, “catapulting the propagana” that the rest of the noise machine will chatter to create an “echo-chamber.”
Here’s how it works:
1. National rag like NYT, WSJ, perhaps even the falling WAPO prints a lie (there are others too).
2. Rest of mainstream media repeats the lie, proclaiming it “news” and “highly important” because the lying liars in step one reported it – no attempt is made to ascertain the accuracy/truth of the statement.
3. Now talking heads and pols can endlessly repeat the lie, acting like it is now common knowledge, a truth manifest in itself.
This is what chimpy was referting to when he said he repeated crap “over and over” and that this would “catapult the propaganda”. And the “news cycle” begins again.
“When legend becomes fact, print the legend”–Maxwell Scott (The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance — 1962)
July 13th, 2009 at 10:09 amWow, evangenital, interesting story. Too bad your neighbor still doesn’t fully understand that he’s voting against his own interests.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:10 amOh, I don’t know about that, CTH. Sure, jacksons can be aggressive and rambunctious, but if you make sure they get enough exercise and let them know who’s boss, they can make a fine pet president for any family.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:12 amNice quote, wayne. Do you remember how they constantly pulled crap like:
1. Visit a manufacture in OH and prolcaim it to be part of a “strong” economy and a model for “made in America”
2. Quickly exit that scene and go on to the next.
3. Within 2 weeks, that factory would be closed down and everythign would be outsourced overseas.
They worked this way repeatedly for 8 years, and you are right, the legends are what made it into the “echo chamber”.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:12 amevangenital Says:
While we were chatting about nothing important, a middle-aged white guy banged into my cart. I started to move away, but the white guy immediately started yelling at my neighbor, calling him a wetback, a crack dealer, and told him to go back to his own country. “America is for Americans,” he yelled angrily. “Get the f*** out
of my country.”
July 13th, 2009 at 10:05 am
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I don’t know how people can continue to deny that the Minutemen and the other anti-immigration groups are anything other than racist. That’s what’s underlying all of it – white nationalism.
And what’s sadly ironic is that if your friend is any part Mayan, his heritage is FAR more American than the middle aged white guy who was insulting him.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amThe Wall Street Journal reports that the CIA program concealed from Congress was a secret plan to kill or capture al-Qaida operatives. The targeted assassinations project “hadn’t become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it.”
Everyone is in full enabling mode on this one. Apparently, as long as it wasn’t “fully operational” Cheney didn’t have to tell Congress.
Besides, Israel has been conducting targeted assassinations for years and getting away with it. You just have to say that the target was a suspected terrorist and you’re all set!
July 13th, 2009 at 10:15 amevangenital, your neighbor is really stupid, especially if he talks abut his support being all about “economic” issues – that is the best example of the “legend” that waynes comment refers to.
The party of hoover and chimpy, the party responsible for the S & L scam and today’s wall street breakdown…
Support them because of “economics”, yeah right. And then to quietly accept the racism…
Sorry, more than “against his interests”, just stoooooopid.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:15 amHey, some of you are the ones who want a pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amJane at #55, I think that it is starting to sink in with this guy. I know that he and his wife were members of some Hispanic holy roller church, where all that repiggie propaganda is pushed.
He did admit to me recently that he and his wife started going back to a Catholic parish’s Mass in spanish because his wife has missed her friends there so much.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:17 amThis may be signalling a political shift with this couple.
Whatever you do, cob, don’t get a chimpy. Just sh!ts all over the place.
And when his daddy was in the White House, he would get insanely drunk and pee on the walls!
July 13th, 2009 at 10:18 amMy pet president is a Bushdog.
Sure, it makes a lot of messes, doesn’t do any tricks, can’t speak and even let intruders into my house one September morning a few years back, but I’ve always had empathy for the runt in a litter.
I guess that’s what makes me a Progressive…
July 13th, 2009 at 10:19 amMr. Cobb Says:
Hey, some of you are the ones who want a pet president.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:17 am
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Yeah, we’re a few steps ahead of ya, boss.
Now if you’ll excuse me, my Warren G. Harding needs to go out for a walk.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:20 amgood observation, evangenital, those that have drank the kool-aide are often too emotionally involved with justifying the cognitive dissonance it creates.
It is probably much easier for him to “change faith” (or at least admit that). After all, the realization that he is getting screwed, the party he has supported is actually against him, and that everything he believed is a lie is emotionally pretty hard to handle.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:20 amAnother Joe, my neighbor from Guatemala did tell me some time ago that the holy roller Hispanic church that they had been attending actually was recommending a certain speech therapist to help the congregants get rid of their accents, so that they could sound more “American” (not my own choice of words).
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amWOW – lost in all the palin crap the other day was this gem:
Pat Buchanan: Palin’s husband should murder Levi
You know, cheneys assassination ring operated within the US too – killing the DC madam spared his sick little monkey @ss.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amAre Colbert and Stewart back from vacation this week?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amMr. Cobb, do you have anything of substance to bring to this thread? or are you just another troll with nothing to say?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 am…but repeatedly knocking her up was ok?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amWill anyone care what jeffyboste posts?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amevangenital Says:
While we were chatting about nothing important, a middle-aged white guy banged into my cart. I started to move away, but the white guy immediately started yelling at my neighbor, calling him a wetback, a crack dealer, and told him to go back to his own country. “America is for Americans,” he yelled angrily. “Get the f*** out
of my country.”
I part Native American, enough that I get more than enough ignorant racist twits calling me wetback and other racist epitaphs, when my ancestors were here on this continent before their ancestors were kicked out of most of the civilized countries of Europe.
This kind of crap happens every day across this country and is tolerated far too much.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:31 amMr. Cobb Says:
Where’s me pet president? I got to have me one of those.
Folks be nice, there seems to be a child posting today.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:34 am**eyes rolling**
Mine’s a William Henry Harrison.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:45 amCute little thing.
Unfortunately, they are easily prone to sickness, and their life spans are quite short, even in dog years.
DRxJ Says:
Mine’s a William Henry Harrison.
Cute little thing.
Unfortunately, they are easily prone to sickness, and their life spans are quite short, even in dog years.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:45 am
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Yeah, you need to make sure they wear one of those doggy-sweaters if you take them outside in January.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:48 amI had a “pet president” named Chimpy, but he seems to have wandered away.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:49 amOh well, he never had much of an attention span.
Quite the story here:
FBI agent says Guantanamo was like ‘animal house,’ says photos show drunken carousing ‘day and night’
I want to see them sell that to their “values voters”, “security moms,” and evangelical base.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:50 amBet he was always getting into fights with other presidents too, right?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:56 amALERT: Mr. Cobb is Another Joe’s new name.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:59 amGet a bushdog, they obey their masters without question, and all they eat are pretzels and beer. You can train them to speak with a lot of work, but they never make much sense…
Their only downside is their annoying bark, it’s a repetitious “hehehheheh”
July 13th, 2009 at 10:59 amRalph the Wonder Locust at #81,
Yes, Chimpy was quite belligerent. Cocaine does make one testy and aggressive.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:59 amI guess Tp has changed its name to :”another hour with Joe the almighty.”
July 13th, 2009 at 11:00 amtony and lido
Chimps get nasty when they get older.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:04 amJohnny Weismeller hated the chimp because it kept biting him.
Could explain the problem(s) with Chimpy Bush.
OT: Going through the supermarket check out line I couldn’t help notice the headline on the Globe:
Bushs’ Alzhiemer problem. or something to that matter.
tony and lido
Wayne @ #74: I have a Fillipino neighbor who I have personally heard be called variously a wetback, Iranian, Indian and, for some unknown reason, the big N. I live in the Chicago ‘burbs, and despite Chicago’s Democrat tradition, the collar counties are very neoCon. Thing is, my neighbor is third generation U.S. of A. But that doesn’t matter to the Reich, who see brown skin and automatically decide you are some sort of undesirable.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:06 amMeanwhile, my desire to live amongst such cretins is rapidly waning…
don’t forget his ever-loyal sidekick: hanshiro
July 13th, 2009 at 11:06 amAtlanta is a lot like that, very progressive in the city, but very backwards once you get out to the suburbs and beyond.
I think we get trapped into the north vs south thing, when it is more accurately a rural/suburban vs urban thing.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:08 amThe stalk and flame crowd has shown up, with nothing to add except baseless challenges to other people and not what they post.
Funny how the self-proclaimed fanclub is actually the biggest set of trolls here, stalking and flaming with the same dishonest personal attacks, never talking about what was said.
Most can see it is pretty disrespectful of the online community and certainly does not enable forum that advances progressive ideas and policies (from ABOUT US).
It is doesn’t Respect other Bloggers – please do not threaten, insult, abuse, intimidate or harass other Blog users (from terms of use).
And it is very disrespectful to the editors (which they will actually regularly admit, frequently posting “apologies” that they know they shouldn’t do it blah blah blah).
Real big “fans”, buddy…
July 13th, 2009 at 11:10 amI see AJ is trying to Joe-Job this thread too
poor little picked on AJ
July 13th, 2009 at 11:11 amTommy, I concur in spades on the rural/suburban thing. But when I look at the median incomes of the two, I think it may also have a touch of rich/poor or white/everyone else thrown in too…
July 13th, 2009 at 11:11 amTommy, I think the suburbs are more a battleground now than they were a few years ago.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:11 amFLAGGED. I’m not going to be anybody’s whipping boy.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:11 amI won’t mention any names because giving attention to trolls of any sort just enables them.
The little fan club’s blog thinks they have taken over this one – should rename TP after the little stalk and flame clique.
Very disrespectful to the editors, especially when they pretend to be fans.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:13 amI hope so, but not around Atlanta.
The ATL is cool, but I don’t go outside I-285 unless I’m headed to the mountains on my bike.
I’m down with ITP (inside the perimeter)
July 13th, 2009 at 11:14 ameventually the mods will get back from vacation and deal with the disruptors like AJ and the right wing trolls
July 13th, 2009 at 11:15 amShayne, I think it’s time just to ignore our persecuted friend unless he says something worth responding to. As someone once said very recently, “giving attention to trolls of any sort just enables them”
July 13th, 2009 at 11:15 am“Bushs’ Alzhiemer problem. or something to that matter.”
dietrich, Wayne’s mom reads those rags (shudder) and pointed out that article to us the other day. Personally, I doubt if it’s Alzheimers, I think that what little brain Bush has left is just finally snapping.
BTW, Johnny Weismuller was my favorite Tarzan. ;)
July 13th, 2009 at 11:16 amEVERYTHING is about the distribution of wealth in this nation – the wides disparity in the world.
The 2% that owns most of it needs to divide the remaining 898% to maintain the status quo.
This is how we get a mainstream media dominated by fox and the other propaganda tools.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:16 amdoodle, you are a stalker/flamer and anyone that reads the threads can see it if they look.
Pretend to be a “big fan” if you want, you come here and attack people not ideas each and every day and you do it until the dialog about the thread is terminated.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:17 amwell, AJ is determined to make this thread all about him….AGAIN
time to move on to a new thread
July 13th, 2009 at 11:19 amWell, AJ’s here to monopolize another thread, plagiarize, complain about a flame war he starts EVERY TIME, and not back up his seriously flawed arguments with credible links because he’s “not your monkey” (and has not a leg on which to stand). Guess I’ll have to seek intelligent discourse elsewhere…
This is why they have a kid’s table at Thanksgiving dinner. Bye…
July 13th, 2009 at 11:22 amFLAGGED. Apparently nothing else will stop you.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:29 amExactly right, AB.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:37 amAmericasBack, what’s Lindsey Graham up to now?
July 13th, 2009 at 11:41 amI agree with comments 106 and 107, please do not feed the troll.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:45 amAmericasBack Says:
RTWL – Man, I’m stuck in a hotel with NO CSPAN!!! So now I have to rely on CNN for the confirmation hearings. I really miss my CSPAN.
No you don’t… got to the cspan website and stream it…
July 13th, 2009 at 12:03 pmSorry. that should have read “go to” not “got to”
July 13th, 2009 at 12:03 pmAmericasBack, No Worries. I’m a full service lurker. :)
July 13th, 2009 at 12:10 pmI’m back to work, after a much needed 10 day vacation (yes, I’m bragging).
Did TP change it’s moderators or it’s policies?
Or is it now just AJTP? All day, all night. Does AJ even have a job.
And what’s with the infighting?
July 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pmSheesh.
There was a link yesterday that the President had ordered an investigation into this. Hopefully it will start garnering attention.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pmWe should all be ready for some fireworks. If not from Congress, certainly from the misogynistic right.
Here is a perfect example of women haters starting the cannon fodder.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2144
July 13th, 2009 at 1:46 pm(LibertyLover jumps up and down and pretends to be a Republican.)
“I demand an Up or Down vote on the nominee. Oh, wait, she’s not a Republican? Then let’s trash her and demand more time to keep her off the bench.”
July 13th, 2009 at 1:51 pmObama appointed Dr. Regina Benjamin as Surgeon General. Her compelling life story would change not on iota under any “pay for performance” plan, a foundational element of the President’s health care reform.
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamas-new-surgeon-general-eschewed-pay.html
July 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pmI can vouch for that, too, Moderate Squad.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pmLiving in the Chicago suburbs, the racism I witness every day, in person, and in letters to the editor, even the tone of the local papers, is astonishingly backward and primitive.
TP, that’s quite the conversion. It turned “votes for” into “vote down”. Welcome to extrinsic motivators, i.e. how rewards punish.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmHow about a “vote up” or “vote down” for the post itself?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThank You..
Sesli Chat Sesli Sohbet
July 14th, 2009 at 1:24 amSesli Chat Sesli Sohbet
Sesli Chat , Sesli Sohbet
Two former law intelligence officials told CNN that former Vice President Cheney is getting a “bum rap” over reports that he ordered the CIA to withhold information from Congress. While the covert program was reportedly an effort to assassinate al Qaeda leaders, Time reports, “The program could have required the Agency to spy on Americans.”\
Why would the CIA program include spying on Americans? The NSA has already been doing so since prior to 9/11. Interesting how the strings of so many illegal actions lead straight back to Cheney. Some idiot Republican senator (don’t remember which one) said yesterday that, while the CIA should notify Congress of most intelligence activities, “what if it really WAS “top secret?” SO!!!???!! According to the law, ALL intelligence activity, overt or covert, actual or anticipated, is to be reported to Congress. PERIOD.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am