Birther soldier refuses to serve under President Obama.
Birther soldier refuses to serve under President Obama.
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, who should be getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan, is instead seeking a temporary restraining order under the guise of being a conscientious objector. Cook is a birther who is arguing that President Obama is not a natural born citizen and, therefore, ineligible to be commander-in-chief. Cook’s lawyer is Orly Taitz — dubbed The Queen Bee of Birferstan for challenging the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in California:
In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia — the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client’s request based upon Cook’s belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Cook further states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”
When not filing suit against his commander-in-chief, Cook has also made time to post at the conservative website FreeRepublic.
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So much for his oath of military service…
The military is full of racists and white supremacists these days, all just waiting for the heads-up from the Evangelical crazies to put a theocracy in place.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pmLike Liz Cheney said, “Once again, the Rethuglicans show to the American people that they cannot be trusted on matters of national security.”
July 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pmNo one this stupid should be allowed to serve in the military.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pmBirthers are so nutty.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
July 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmUCMJ Article 88 Contempt toward officials:
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmHe can deploy to Levenworth then.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmWhy do they hate the troops so much?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmBirther soldier refuses to serve under President Obama.
– - Enjoy your court-martial and subsequent incarceration!
July 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmImaginative way to get out of going to Afghanistan, I wonder what his fellow troops are going to say when he gets his case thrown out of court and he is sent to Afghanistan to fight?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pmBirther soldier refuses to serve under President Obama.
– - The doofus probably figured it had something to do with “I Didn’t Ask to Go To Afghanistan so Don’t Tell Me I Have To Go.”
July 14th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I am behind the times and still can’t get over that there’s someone named Orly. Stupid owl.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:18 pmThis guy is a major, so he’s been in for awhile — at least since Bush has been in and he’s pulling this S*IT now? What a tweaker.
Hard time at Leavenworth for this disgrace in uniform.
This nauseates me as a (former) senior NCO.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:18 pmWhere was this clown’s patriotism in protesting the Bush administration’s multitude of war crimes ?
WAHHHHHHHHHH , the candidate I wanted didn’t win ; I’m not gonna’ do what I’m told……….
Take a good look , trolls ; this is your understanding of what being a “real American” is all about.
Pathetic…………….
July 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pmthis guy is patheitc and a disgrace to all the honorable soldiers who actually who have served and are currently serving including my family members.
he is a coward and has no idea what patriotism is in a democracy.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pmSo…if you’re gay you can’t serve, but if you don’t like the president you can refuse service?
This is seriously twisted.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pmOh deary dear.
What’s a poor Republican to do?
Under Bush, one was labeled a traitor for even questioning our Commander in Chief’s (HA!) “war”.
Now, under PRESIDENT Obama, we have a true dissenter. Shall the right remain critical? Or will they be silent and support him?
Ah well, as some above have posted, hope he enjoys his court marshal, and hope he realizes that he would do more harm to our brave men and women by NOT refusing to serve.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pmPlease vote down the racist commenter — quickly.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pmstomp will soon find out that his diatribe is irrelivant.
vote him down.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm- – Yo, Mr. Stomp, I doubt anyone is reading your copy/paste jobs. You’re just getting booted.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pmWow! That was quick!
July 14th, 2009 at 4:23 pmless than two minutes and stomp has been stompted.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSome people are getting totally unhinged over a non-white President of the United States.
Too bad…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pmPlease hurry and vote down post 14. And don’t forget to flag for cut and paste abuse. This is the next phase of trolling folks. The idiots will cut and paste looooong articles to make it harder to read through the threads.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pmIt sounds like Major Stefan Cook has Really Big Taitz.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWTF does post #14 have to do with the topic?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pmFlagged for not being close to the topic.
tony and lido
Stomp Out Liberalism says,
FLAGGED!! Blatant Racism and Bigotry.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pmStompy now has a linky to his thesis. Or maybe its someone’s ill-digested chile.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhat I can’t understand is what the birthers think is sacrosanct about a birth certificate.
If the birth is in a hospital, sure the doctor and nurse are witness, etc. But the identity of the father is still based on the say-so of the mother.
If the birth is outside the hospital, the birth certificate in most states is based on the statement of the mother.
Then, to get a copy of a birth certificate in most states, all you have to do is provide some personal info (varies by state, but is the type of info you could get from other sources) and sign a letter saying that it is you. So it isn’t too hard to get someone else’s birth certificate and start a fake identity.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pmZooey says:
No one this stupid should be allowed to serve in the military.
They are and they do, and sadly a huge number of them are in leadership positions.
RIP
July 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Wow! That was quick. Or I’m a really slow typist. Which I am.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pmCourt martial him for desertion and if you convict him then evict him from the military. Simple.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pmLooks like MrStump got stomped out in less than 30 seconds.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pmLong screed to prove himself a racist.
tony and lido
Tired Of Fighting says:
They are and they do, and sadly a huge number of them are in leadership positions.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I was afraid you’d say that. :|
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pmIf you weren’t too ashamed to speak for yourself you wouldn’t be banned soon and have to log in under a new misnomer…..
your move.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pmStomp Out Liberalism says,
Keep posting racsist rants like your last one, and we’ll keep flagging you until you get the message. You have no place on this board troll, get off.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pmWhat’s to refute? You’re a crazy racist, we get it. Go back to Stormfront.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI guess he thought he was covering for his racism thru the long oration.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pmNot very bright.
tony and lido
Hi Twajie!
July 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pmBuh-Bye Twajie!!!
Stomp Out Liberalism says:
If you keep voting my posts down without refuting them, I will be forced to keep pasting it.
– - Seek professional. Immediately.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pmMore birther craziness? Hope they aren’t passing out that Kool-Aid in the Officer’s Mess, but this Major may be a process indicator (That’s a failure in the process of weeding out weasels who’ve forgotten their oath. If he can’t follow a legitimate order to deploy, he should resign his commission.)
I’ve already been in an e-argument with a birther yo-yo this morning and didn’t need more of the same – this one had a bee in his bonnet about Obama having had to travel to Pakistan in ‘81 on a British or Indonesian passport and on and on yada yada…
hey seuss h christ on a crutch
July 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pmStomp Out Liberalism says:
If you keep voting my posts down without refuting them, I will be forced to keep pasting it.
- – Seek professional help. Immediately.
(Duh.)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmBack on topic. Major Cook needs to be Court Martialed, striped of his rank and tossed out of the Army. What he is trying to do smacks of treason.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pmNothing that a dishonorable discharge and an appropriate sanction against he and his dentist-attorney can’t fix. I don’t want this nutbunny wearing an army uniform and carrying a gun.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pmStomp Out Liberalism: Nice cut and paste job jackass. Do you Morons ever have an independent thought?
http://www.google.com/search?q=Until+recently+I+taught+at+a+predominantly+black+high+school+in+a+southeastern+state.+The+mainstream+press+gives+a+hint+of+what+conditions+are+like+in&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pmAnd here I thought a “birther” was one born the old fashion way: vaginally, without medication or surgery.
Tells ya what I know.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pmJust have Joe Biden give the guy a call and order him to report to Afganistan and be subordinant to his Commanding Officer.
Why Joe Biden?
Because if Obama is found to not be American born then Biden is President.
This guy thinks Obama isn’t American born so he must think Biden is President.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm…
i like the “vote down”
feature.
:)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pmHey that isn’t Christopher Jackson! Another poser….
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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July 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Apparently you seem not able to grasp the intricacies/way things work in the US military , moron.
You don’t get PROMOTED for disobeying a direct order , jackass ; in fact , under Article 90, during times of war, a military member who willfully disobeys a superior commissioned officer can be sentenced to death.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pmdbadass says,
Who is that dbadass? I’m not familiar with that one.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThis suit is so utterly ridiculous that the federal court should slap the plaintiff and his attorney with stiff legal sanctions as provided by the Federal Court Rules of Procedure. If the courts want to stop baseless lawsuits then this is a perfect one to make an example for future litigants.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmToo much. A soldier saying he can’t serve because he doesn’t believe his President is duly elected. Hope he has a nice time in Leavenworth.
Now if we could just see soldiers refusing to serve in an illegal war we would have something.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmYet another troll who can’t take responsibility for his own crap.
He’s “forced” to keep posting it.
We’re “forcing” him.
It’s our fault.
What a pussy.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pmUntil recently a whiny teacher….
July 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pmEveryone with an active human conscience should refuse to participate in President Obama’s ongoing criminal imperial occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. President Obama gives the world soaring words about freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in Iran, but he gives the Afghanis and Iraqis no freedom at all with 400,000 armed and hostile American soldiers, mercenaries and contractors pointing their loaded guns at them. US out of Afghanistan and Iraq now. End US drone/missile murders in Pakistan.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
They already have but these idiots live in la la land.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/03/05/washington/AP-Obama-Citizenship.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD96O5TV03
July 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Zooey says:
I was afraid you’d say that. :|
Yes Zooey it’s true, I’ve had the great misfortune to have served under some of these types when I was a 1SG, one of the reasons why I decided to retire at 38, that and 7 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.
RIP
July 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Republicans always complain about frivolous lawsuits and they’re the morons who file the frivolous suits.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pmthe great GOPsby says,
Problem there. He’s not a conscientious objector moron. He’s a birther who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pmhe has a right to file conscientious objector status.
Sure he does… but I have a hard time believing he’ll prove it.
I somehow doubt that U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook would have risen to the rank of Major if he had a religious, moral or ethical objection to serving in the Army…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pmIt’s going to be hard to prove his case considering President Obama has produced his birth certificate. Also, what kind of idiot major in the military doesn’t understand that anyone running as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States is fully vetted by the CIA, the Secret Service, the FBI, the NSA, and the Defense Intelligence Agency.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pmmaybe he should have tried that when he was a private instead of a Major like most co’s do.
You can’t defend this so stop trying. It’s pathetic and you know it.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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You don’t get PROMOTED for disobeying a direct order , jackass ; in fact , under Article 90, during times of war, a military member who willfully disobeys a superior commissioned officer can be sentenced to death.
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he has a right to file conscientious objector status.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Yeah , based upon something tangible ; his lawsuit and past behavior/history , doesn’t provide for that……….
July 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pmHey, I served under Reagan, even though Reagan was born in La-La land… /snark
Wow, this guy is a real idiot.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pmNot someone I would want watching my back in a combat zone.
No right lawyer in their mind would even waste time with this stupid moron. He’s just doesn’t want to serve in Afghan so this is his cop out while we the tax payer keep paying this bum. these right-wingnuts are going over the edge. They forget that McCain was born in Central America.
Here is proof:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Stomp Out Liberalism says:
If you keep voting my posts down without refuting them, I will be forced to keep pasting it.
I opened this one up, just so I could vote it down, but now I shaking in my boots! I’m a-skeert!
July 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmLooks like a bad case of post-partisan depression.
Are Rush Limbaugh’s Kidneys on Fire?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmWayne,
Actually Ronald Reagan was born in Tampico, Illinois, February 6, 1911.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
July 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pmNo, a “birther” is one born without a brain.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pmTired Of Fighting says:
Yes Zooey it’s true, I’ve had the great misfortune to have served under some of these types when I was a 1SG, one of the reasons why I decided to retire at 38, that and 7 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I’ve heard this time after time — from excellent service members who get out because of the hostile working conditions (aka bullshit), and too many deployments.
When will we be left with the dregs? It’s very disturbing.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Lefty Liberal says:
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Wayne,
Actually Ronald Reagan was born in Tampico, Illinois, February 6, 1911.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
July 14th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
More like crapped out …………
July 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pmThe plaintiff’s position is that he is a conscientious objector to following Obama’s orders and not war in general. That is not what a CO classification is supposed to be. The suit is without merit.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pmYep, the major needs to be locked up. He is the epitomy of why we are looking into right wing extremist groups as the largest domestic terroist threat.
The clinics, etc. are not safe with this man running free. Lock him up.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pmMCMetal,
LOL, I stand corrected! :)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmHere should be the plan for Major Cook:
1. Court Marshall
July 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pm2. Thirty-year sentence cracking rock at a military prison (Gitmo will work)
3. Keep him healthy so he can enjoy his new assignment
4. Make him read Obama’s birth certificate aloud three times a day, followed by the phrase, “I am stupid” each time.
the great GOPsby says:
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Yeah , based upon something tangible ; his lawsuit and past behavior/history , doesn’t provide for that……….
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no matter your tripe, he has a right to be heard by a judge. any claim to the contrary is an attempt revoke a right enjoyed by liberal soldiers in the previous administration.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
No he doesn’t you colossal ignoramus ; he doesn’t have a “right” to be heard by any judge.
His only “right” is to petition for a hearing presided over by a judge , which would be immediately thrown out by any knowledgeable arbiter ………Which rules out all conservative judges.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmHe will be. Then sentencing. Tell him to buy a nice suit.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hi the great GOPsby:
July 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmJust one question don’t you think the whole birth certificate deal is a load of crap?Not this clown, the whole concept…
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let’s see what the idiots are going to say or do when President Obama proofed that he is an American citizen.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmthe greeaaaat don’t get treason….this is treason.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pm>>>
so i’ll sue you too.
:)
indeed.
:)
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pmTowards the end of Vietnam, the military relaxed its standards on who to accept. And that was with a draft.
Today, we have similar problem. Our military is accepting people who really have no business being in the military. Worry about teh gay folks but worry more about the skinheaded Nazis.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pmThe birther threads really bring out the stupidest most racist wingnuts around
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pm“Major Ignorance” is more like it. Look on the web, you can find the birth certificate there, it’s been posted for ages for all to see.
This is just a case of ReichWinger Sour Grapes…again…losers.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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lock someone up for filing a lawsuit? liberal tyranny, indeed.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
No , moron ; he will be locked up after being court-martialed for refusing a direct order , issued by his superior(s) , jackass……..
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pmsue everybody…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
EugeneDebs, long time no see. Welcome.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmanother coward from the GOP
July 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmyou don’t get irony. it’s the stupidy and hypocricy that you live on, like worms live on dirt, like hogs live on slop, that makes us angry.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
He can try to file his lawsuit which will generate a bit of laughter then be dismissed for the idiocy it is however he needs to do what he is told and get his ass to Afghanistan while giving amusement to the sane portion of the legal profession
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pmHow do you know what he believes the great GOPsby?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThe smack down on this case will be just great. I can’t stand Orly Taitz.
I am not well versed in these matters, but claiming to be a conscientious objector to get out of serving under a President because you believe a lie (i.e. Obama not a citizen) which has been promoted vociferously by your attorney (i.e. Taitz), the premise of which has already been thrown out of court, doesn’t seem to be a wise course of action to me…
BTW…nice addition of the vote down option! When did that happen?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pmThis moron gave up his right to conscientious objector status the second he took the officer’s oath. If he’s serious? He should immediately resign his commission.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pmBarack Obama’s mother had to produce a U.S. birth certificate for him so that he could receive a passport many years ago. Minor children were not allowed to simply travel with a parent if the child did not have his/her own passport.
My parents obtained passports for my siblings and myself 40 years ago when we traveled to Europe.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pmHoodathunktick
Thank you I appreciate that
July 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm…
when conservatives play
the victim card…
:)
it’s funny!
:) :) :)
July 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pmthe great GOPsby says @ 89,
Not when he’s in the Army. Ever hear of the Chain of Command? You do understand that he is duty bound to obey an order from his Superior Officers. That would include President Obama as NCA, ie; National Command Authority as the Commander in Chief.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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Actually, no he doesn’t have such a right while in uniform, it’s privilege while you’re in the military. This is more proof that you have no idea how the military works.
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he’s a citizen of this country. it’s his freedom. if this were a lib questioning the citizenship of bush, you’d say the same. you’re not proving yourself, just spewing anger.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Questioning someone’s citizenship doesn’t give some GOP stooge in the US military the right to disobey a direct order , you imbecile.
In fact , if it can be shown that the soldier influenced others to disobey, they may find the crime of Mutiny, under Article 94 , added to the list of charges against them ………
July 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I guess if you’re a turd, you don’t care if the whole world knows it?
I bet this individual has reptile genes. I demand a DNA test to determine his ancestry.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmGobospit, when a US citizen joins the military they automatically sacrifice certain rights. The military has its own judicial system. The Major has chosen to challenge that system. His argument is lame and he will lose.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThe right to be heard is a part of Due Process which means you have right to present your evidence during a trial. It is not an absolute right to file baseless lawsuits without any legal basis. Courts do not exist to hear frivolous lawsuits.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
“this man for seeking the redress he believes he’s entitled. ”
July 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pm—-
You are saying you know his thoughts. Is it possible he is just full of shit or a useful idiot for a larger gang of idiots with an idiotic agenda? Must be a really weak ass and lame party if the GOP couldn’t beat a noncitizen. The whole premise is moronic now isn’t it? Unlimited funds and the national party didn’t pursue what would have disqualified their opponent? Obviously only fringe freaks could assume this crap had any validity….
the great GOPsby says:
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No , moron ; he will be locked up after being court-martialed for refusing a direct order , issued by his superior(s) , jackass……..
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if the judge makes clear he’s responsible to deploy, he must go.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
When his lawsuit is thrown out of court (immediately) , that’s the indication that he has to go ; no judge has to say 2 words to that mindless GOP tool …………
July 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pmYou really would like to have it both ways but you lose. He refused……..keyword……refused.
Unless he wins his lawsuit he has already broken the law.
What happened to the party of personal responsibility? Oh yeah, you never really meant that either did you?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pmI know this is kind of hopefull, but in a way this could be a good thing…once this is thrown out of court, won’t there be a legal precedent putting all this crazy talk to rest?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pmkeep in mind this isn’t some fresh faced recruit. this is a major.
a major dipshit.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You seem to be confused about the power at the hands of those who make comments on a blog.
He’s no longer simply a citizen. He’s a soldier. He gives up some of his rights and accepts some different responsibilities.
It’s part of a military life.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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you never sacrifice the right to file suit in a civilian court.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
You aren’t a CIVILIAN when you’re in the US military , you retard……….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pmprobably?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSo then why are you bothering to treat this “venting political anger” as something more than it is? Why does it bother you so?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What happened to the party of personal responsibility? Oh yeah, you never really meant that either did you?
Of course repubs mean it, FOR Liberals but not wingers
July 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pmit probably is a frivolous suit, but this is in a civilian court. posters here are saying that should lead to time in the brig, the military system, and even death. it’s venting political anger, nothing less.
The punishment doesn’t stem from his filing a lawsuit… it stems from his failure to deploy. If convicted, he should face the punishment like everyone else, don’t you agree?
And his punishment should be decided by the Court Martial like everyone else, don’t you agree?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pmAn active duty military person filing in a civilian court. What was it the government said about military tribunals?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pmGood!
Maybe they’ll all decide not to go to war for whatever reason.
What’s the worst that could happen? Peace?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pmSince when did the wingnuts start obeying international law ?
That’s gotta be a first.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pmFor the Righty types, for some odd reason enlistment in the US military over rides US citizenship. Your rules.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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it probably is a frivolous suit, but this is in a civilian court. posters here are saying that should lead to time in the brig, the military system, and even death. it’s venting political anger, nothing less.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Yeah , but the SUIT was not filed by or in Cook’s name ; his worthless lawyer Orly Taitz filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector for his client.
That isn’t what you’re babbling on about……….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI was not voting down GOBshite’s latest comments because I was responding to them, and I’m trying to establish a standard whereby I forego voting down posts to which i respond. I think it’s only fair.
But that last comment from GOBshite at #131 was just so stupid, I had to do it.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Yeah greatgobofspit, Cook has a right to express himself. He can express himself all the way to prison. Then he can find a good psychoanalyst to express his crazy “birther” syndrome to.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm“seeking clarification the constitutionality of his cinc”?
That’s as stupid as b-cup claiming that forwarding a racist cartoon is “commenting on race relations”.
This officer is not “seeking clarification”. He’s disputing the President’s legitimacy as commander in chief.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It seems as though Major Cook shares a common philosophy that we have seen in other members of the far right–rules, regulations, and laws only need to be obeyed when these ordinances suit their own personal interests.
Violating established guidelines of conduct appears to be the “mavericky” thing to do lately.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Ralph @ 127, SPOT ON !
July 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pmthe great GOPsby says,
You really don’t understand how the Uniform Code of Military Justice works, do you? Of course, first, you have to understand what the responsibilities of an Officer are as well. Or that ALL military personel are to remain Apolitical until such time they are discharged or retire from the service.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pmit bothers me that some people here are ready to sentence a citizen to max for seeking clarification the constitutionality of the presence of his cinc.
Obviously you have no past military experience. To question a commanding officer’s authority 6 months after he has taken command is not even close to valid. Had the Major made his claim in January, he might have had a chance.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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So then why are you bothering to treat this “venting political anger” as something more than it is? Why does it bother you so?
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it bothers me that some people here are ready to sentence a citizen to max for seeking clarification the constitutionality of the presence of his cinc. not that i believe it needs clarification, but this is the beauty of our justice system. when one has great concern they can have it heard by a jurist in the judicial branch. may not make it far, but still, all three branches of government are for the people.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
You pathetic weasel ; you were one of the turds who went apeshit over Bush the Boy Blunder being questioned (legitmately) during a “time of war”.
It’s okay now ?
Why , because a Dem is now Commander-In-Chief ?
You’re a jackass……….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
the great GOPsby says:
yes, i made no statement to the contrary. if he’s grasping at straws to make a political statement as a uniformed officer in order to get out of his duties as a leader, the military code will deal with him. until then, we’re at the stage of a civilian lawsuit.
So reasonable… (insert eye roll)explain how we were supposed to determine your position based on your comment at #33?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pmCourt martial him and ship his sorry a$$ to Leavenworth – it’s the law.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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He can express himself all the way to prison.
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more tripe from the loon with a third-world mentality.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
That’s pretty ironic and funny coming from someone who constantly romanticizes about a typically crappy GOP president from the NINETEEN EIGHTIES , while simultaneously believing in the ass-backwards and archaic nature of religion…………
July 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmAnother chickenhawk. Give this coward a yellow elephant.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pmNone of this addresses the audacity of the major claiming to be a conscientious objector, when that term applies to someone whose moral or religious grounds prevent him/her from serving in combat. During the Vietnam War, many (most?) Selective Service boards refused to grant CO status to anyone at all. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice if this was granted to someone who clearly has no objections to combat, but has swallowed the kool-aid in denying that a birth certificate really is a birth certificate.
Frankly, the guy is apparently too stupid to serve, especially as an officer.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pmevangenital, I sadly agree.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmThe military has become a haven for those in society looking for some kind of legitimacy. The Nazi-sympathizers, the bigots and racists have all found a home in the legitimate ranks of the military where they can hone their skills legally.
I thought military persons were not supposed to express their politics in uniform. Apparently he would have been OK with going to Afghanistan under dumbya, but he objects now because he really hates having a black man as president.
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the great GOPsby says:
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He’s disputing the President’s legitimacy as commander in chief.
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from a constitutional standpoint, there’s nothing wrong with making the case, though he’s wasting his time. it may be in his mind that mugabe’s deputy replaced bush, but we don’t do mind control in america.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
How do you pretend to know or speak for as to what his motivation(s) might be , dummy ?
Knock it off , idiot……….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
claims to know the thoughts and motivations of everyone who files a lawsuit. Stupid.
Just gibberish
The nonsensical use of the term “typifying” notwithstanding, this statement (as near as can be deciphered) is directly contradicted by first sentence, in which poster notes that the thoughts of any filer of a lawsuit are easily known.
You’re welcome. I hope this information helps you to raise the level of your game here, although I don’t hold out much hope.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
if the military takes no action and he goes to afghanistan, he could become the next eisenhower. general of the army stefan cook, anyone?
If he deploys and goes to Afghanistan then the military would have no reason to take any action… the military’s problem at this point is that he is refusing to deploy… hence our calls for a Court Martial, get it?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pmThis story is tragic on so many levels. U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook will spend the better part of his natural life doing decades of hard time in Leavenworth for his devotion to a criminal ideology fostered by hatred, hypocrisy, intolerance and ignorance. Only after the cell door slams on his new existence he will learn the hard truth. That he is already long forgotten by the chicken hawks who led him to take this illegal stand.
He is supposed to represent our best and brightest only to stand as the name for the very worst in our society.
It is stunning to me the retched depths these Bible toting NeoCons and Chicken Hawks will go to use the laws of this land to destroy the the laws of this land.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pmmocha says:
I know this is kind of hopefull, but in a way this could be a good thing…once this is thrown out of court, won’t there be a legal precedent putting all this crazy talk to rest?
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Nothing will put it to rest. IT is a zombie meme. Nothing can drive a stake through its heart. It is now in the Limborg hivemind a nuclear weapon could not get it out. We will hear it for the next 30 years. If Jesus himself came down on a golden chariot and multiplied his actual birth certificate like the fishes and loaves so every single person in America had a copy that was then declared positively legitimate by the SC and God himself they would STILL keep saying it
July 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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That’s pretty ironic and funny coming from someone who constantly romanticizes about a typically crappy GOP president from the NINETEEN EIGHTIES , while simultaneously believing in the ass-backwards and archaic nature of religion…………
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leave the great ronald reagan out of this!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
There is nothing “great” about one of the worst presidents in US history , tool…………
July 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pmleave the great ronald reagan out of this!
What? You think because he had an unnatural relationship with a chimpanzee he should be exempted from military service? Like he was in WWII? Po, po gobospit, not a single Republican President who has served honorably in the military.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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How do you pretend to know or speak for as to what his motivation(s) might be , dummy ?
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you’ve been speaking for his motivations. are you now defending him?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Point out in which post I spoke for him , or about his motivation(s) , you lying moron…………
I have merely stated , and repeated , that his refusal to obey a direct order is grounds for court-martial and imprisonment……….Nothing else.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pmI wonder….isn’t disobeying an order at a time of “war” a treasonable offense? Too bad all the Repignofascists can wind up in jail like this guy will. Stupidity is no defense.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
the great GOPsby says:
leave the great ronald reagan out of this!
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Ronald Raygun was an ignorant, lying, incompetent weasel and a terrible president. Only by comparison to the catastrophe that walks like a man George W Gump does he look like anything but a complete loser as a president. Your delusions notwithstanding
July 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
greatgobsofsnot seems a bit sensitive about Ronnie Raygun.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pmEverything that I have read about conscientious objector status seems to be in reference to conscripts. I’m not sure a volunteer is even covered. If the Major wishes to pursue this? He should resign his commission.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pmHmm… just like when the military took no action when son-of-Congressman George W. Bush went AWOL from the Texas ANG, and that guy ended up becoming President!
How did that work out for the nation?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
bitblt must be getting antsy because of the lack of gay-themed threads lately…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pmbitblt says:
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July 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Hey , it’s bitofadipshit . The stupid ass who posts in the 3rd person when he is actually an incomplete and useless solo act……..
Won’t be long before most (if not all) your useless shitty posts are collapsed here……….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pmbitblt says:
This remark seems to suggest that anyone of these agency could prevent a candidate from being president. Don’t think that’s the case.
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This statement is typical of the stupid I have come to expect from your posts. The CONSTITUTION would prevent a candidate from being president were he not a natural born citizen. Who found that out and could prove it is of no consequence. Do you even understand the CONCEPT of logic?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pmInteresting how GOBshite is so confident in the wisdom of the courts in this case.
I wonder if he displayed the same equanimity when, for example. Scooter Libby was indicted and tried?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmWhat do repugs always say about frivolous lawsuits?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmIOKIYAR.
your call for a court martial doesn’t mean squat. the system will determine if laws have been violated.
Agreed. His failure to deploy will result in a court-martial. Nothing I say here will have any bearing on that.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmHe will most likely not be promoted ever again. Nothing you say here will have any bearing on that.
Since we agree can you stop posting and let the ’system’ work?
Webbe see, an active duty military officer refusing a direct order. I would think there would be outrage by the establishment. What sort of unpatriotic person would question orders? Orders to deploy in a military action?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmGhost Walker373
Since you are a moron too stupid to be anything but a free clown show I will rejoice when your ignorant post is raptured as it should be. This is not an issue. It has been proven over and over. Only braindead morons like YOU still push the idiocy. Breathtakingly stupid people who regurgitate whatever the Limborg tell them to think. You are officially pathetic
July 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
My grandfather was a conscientious objecter in WW2. He just didn’t want to carry a gun or shoot people. He joined the Army to fight for the cause, and they had him drive an ambulance and picking up the dead and wounded on the battlefields in Europe.
He didn’t wait until he’d been in the Army for X number of years to decide he was a conscientious objecter, he told them upfront, and they respected that.
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is a moronic loser.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pmGOBshite, nothing you have to say is “worth mentioning”.
That’s been well demonstrated.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pmU.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is a moronic loser.
Hardly. He is a right wing tool.
Maybe he can get a job with Gonzo or Yoo when he gets out of Leavenworth.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmGOPTROLL makes another post soon to relegated to the netherworld. A better fate than it deserves. Full of lies, ignorance and the brainwashed stupidity that is GOPTROLLS stock and trade.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmGhost Walker373 says:
since we don’t have a camander -n- chief- i’ld say the maj. has done the right thing. now you want to prove the maj. wrong– make oboma break out his real birth cert, and tell us why he has spent so much money to valt it. that is all we ask. quite a simple thing is it not??
The birth certificate HAS been presented and this fact has been certified by the State of Hawaii. Only a true simpleton persists in claiming otherwise. Go away and read this, and then just go away.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
they cant keep their story straight!
It’s worth mentioning that you have failed to make sense all afternoon GOPsby, and that your story keeps changing.
At first you simply argued that ‘liberals’ would be shocked when this Maj. was promoted.
Then you said you were merely advocating for his ‘right’ to declare himself a consciencious objector. A status that would result in his dismissal from the Army, not promotion.
Then you said you were merely fighting for his rights as a ‘private citizen’ despite his being a commissioned officer in the Army Reserves, not a private citizen.
Then you said, ‘let the system work!’ to which I agreed.
Then you said, ‘your opinion don’t mean squat!’ to which I agreed.
Allow me to point out that your many and varied opinions also don’t mean squat and have the added charm of being preposterous and plain wrong-headed.
We’ll soon see who’s opinions become reality… prepare for disappointment.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pmGOPTROLL 93
Strawman and stupid, going once…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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it’s worth mentioning that since liberals have taken power, they have become the restrictionists, the likes of which they faulted alito and roberts. the wars are great now, tight military discipline is a good thing and no checks should be make on punishments to ensure they’re not overboard and selective. these liberals, they cant keep their story straight!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
This thread involves the military and the judiciary ; the highest judicial branch in the land is still controlled by garbage conservatives like Alito and Roberts , you imbecile.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmThe Great GOPshite just lies and lies and lies, like the rest of his precious repiggies.
The eight years of the Bush/Cheney regime saw lie after lie come out of the White House, with the repiggie-controlled Congress in on it all.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmGhost Walker373 says
So then you are not only brainwashed you are stupid beyond all belief. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN. Hawaiian officials have said they saw his original birth certificate. A Certificate of live birth has been shown and authenticated. An anouncement of his birth AT the Honolulu hospital AT THE TIME from the local paper has been produced. You are a moron. Just get the red nose and size 18 shoes and get it over with. You are too stupid and brainwashed to breathe the air of decent people. Your ignorant post will soon be no more. Why do you embarass yourself so?
July 14th, 2009 at 5:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Oh by the way GhostMORON it has NOT been proven that he paid anyone in Hawaii to do anything. That was a lie and you are stupid
July 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pmthe great GOPsby says: @ 208:
It looks like you’ve said this already… out of fresh nonsense?
Re-run time?
July 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pmWow I wish that was an option when I serving under Bush….
July 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pmGhost Walker373 says:
not a darn thing has been proven, cept that he paid the state of hawaii to valt his orginal, now if he want to stop this garbage, all he has to do is release his birth records– quite simple , i’ll not stop till he does, nor will i call him president
No one gets to take their original birth certificate home with them, idiot. You can get a certified copy for identification from the county, or whatever government agency is responsible for maintaining this information, but you don’t get to go anywhere with the original. You, me or Barack Obama, who is the President of the United States whether or not you’ve got the intelligence to grasp that.
At this point, he could release 8 mm footage of his birth, complete with Hawaiian landmarks in the background and fools like you would continue to deny reality.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pmNot sure what “valt” means. But if it has been “proven” as our skeptical friend insists, that President Obama “paid the state of hawaii to valt his orginal,” then it shouldn’t be too difficult for our friend to produce evidence of this proof.
A receipt? A charge on a credit card statement?
Then we will not only have proof of the President paying the state of Hawaii to “valt his original”, we might also learn what that means.
What records would suffice? A valid birth certificate? A contemporaneous birth announcement in a local paper?
What would satisfy you? I’m curious.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pmThese people are nuts. No other word for it.
Let’s assume in October, 1962 that I would have refused to deploy because President Kennedy was a Catholic and was beholden to The Pope, a foreigner. (Yes, that was a somewhat widely held view at that time). I would have been tried for treason and cowardice.
For those not aware, October, 1962 was the period of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Instead, my bags were packed and I was just hoping the call never came. (Luckily, it never did and I unpacked by bags).
I just feel sorry that this dude is allowing himself to be used in this manner. Taitz has no shame. And I’m floored that a Major would allow himself to fall for this scam.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pmFunny, I haven’t heard any liberals dancing around because they can’t keep their story straight. I’ve heard plenty of gopers doing it though.
see the war, torture and the economy
July 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pmIt’s all right here, stupid trolls.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
July 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pmDoes Ghost Walker hold a passport?
If so, the dumb cluck would know that one just can’t get a U.S. passport without a birth certificate stating the place of birth in the U.S.
It is a much more complicated process, involving a long time and a lot of documents. for a resident alien to obtain a U.S. passport.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pmNo one has an original copy of his birth certificate. We all have copies. The Obama copy has been submitted for scrutiny and has passed any number of examinations.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pmThis is a phony issue perpetuated by the rightwing nuts as a distraction because it validates their racism; their insanity in having to accept a black president.
This soldier didn’t just enlist, he’s been in for a while NOW he decides he wants to make a case based on this baloney.
He will have to suffer the consequences of his stupidity — too bad for him.
I had to get a copy of my birth certificate a couple years ago and I wasn’t even allowed to touch the original, which is still safe in the vault.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pmMaj Kook here is in for a heaping helping of JAG whoopass. Less than Honorable discharge and he can kiss his pension goodbye.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmI, for one, am getting mighty damn tired of the projectionism from the right. They have not brought forth one item of legislation in Congress in the past 6 months worth the paper it had to be recorded on. They have blocked appointments of personnel need to make the government run for no reason. They have used every bit of obfuscation and obstructionism while claiming the ‘libruls’ are doing it.
If anyone can come up with a single thing the Republicans have done sin the last 6 months that was productive, I will kiss your ass in the rotunda of the Capital.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmGOPTROLL
It is worth mentioning that you are a liar a fool and a moron and your posts have the half-life of Seaborgium
July 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pmAnd now they are stretching their idiocy into the military and convincing a career officer he should sacrifice said career for the political gain of people who think he is an idiot because he believes them.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pmGhost Walker just has a major problem with a non-white guy being the President of the U.S.
That’s what this whole issue is about, and the racist dingalings will move on to another racist issue once they get bored with this one.
Does Ghost Walker even know how to spell properly? He seems like a real cretin,
July 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pmwith no education. He certainly is easily duped by his betters at FoxNews. They like their storm troopers dumb and malleable.
Well said republicans hate facts.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pmevangenital says:
That’s what this whole issue is about, and the racist dingalings will move on to another racist issue once they get bored with this one.
Yep, that is really what the problem is: They do not want to call a Black man Commander In Chief.
It’s all about the color of Pres Obama’s skin, and nothing to do with his place of birth. It just happens to be a convenient “objection” to carp about.
There’s stupid people, then there’s the birthers…
July 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pmThis is good. Not only will it result in yet another resounding legal demolishment of the “Birthers”, but to top it off, one of these stoopid azos will go to the pokey … hopefully for a long time.
Cheers,
July 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmzuch says:
This is good. Not only will it result in yet another resounding legal demolishment of the “Birthers”, but to top it off, one of these stoopid azos will go to the pokey … hopefully for a long time.
Don’t assume this guy is going to jail for failing to report. I would assume there is hostility toward Obama in the military. It is just a question of how deep.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pmWhy is any court wasting taxpayers money on this when it’s been proved Obama is a U.S. citizen?
July 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThese birthers are so ignorant. Do they really think that Bill and Hillary wouldn’t have the connections to prove the birth certificate was false if it was. What morons.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pmNo court is. See post #60
July 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pmRHF
Me too the trolls go down faster than Senator Craig in an airport bathroom
July 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmthe great GOPsby:
I have a question for you.
What do you think of TP’s new vote up/down feature?
July 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pmThis criminal should be charged with desertion in the face of the enemy, and shackled to his prison toilet for the rest of his life.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pmBarack Obama did not order the major to Afghanistan–his immediate superiors did. Moreover, the War in Afghanistan was not started by Barack Obama, but by his predecessor.
So the major is not objecting to an action of Barack Obama’s that he finds illegitimate. He’s saying that Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal has no right to give him orders basd on McChrystal’s own judgment, nor any other officer ofthe United States Armed forces, because of a question about the CinC’s status.
What he’s basically saying is ‘not my government.” The same argument could be applied to refusing to pay for a fishing license or to drive on the right side of the road. Because Barack Obama is not qualified to be President of the United States, I don’t have to do anything the government says. I can rob a bank or kill someone because the government is illegitimate.
THis is what the militias say–and do–all the time.
The military chain of command says that you do what your superior officer orders you to do. Period. If you disobey a direct order, it’s grounds for court martial. On the battlefirld, it’s grounds for execution.
What this guy is asserting is that an officer can disobey a colonel’s order because the commanding general has been court-martialed or relieved of duty–which is nonsense. The colonel’s order stands because he is the major’s commanding officer. PERIOD.
The only out given by the Nuremberg Trials is having a problem with the order itself, as to whether it orders an unconscionable act. Bot the qualifications of the person giving the order.
The President is not the king. He isn’t the government. He’s one officer in that government. If Barack Obama has perpetrated a fraud on the government, then he should be impeached and tried and removed from office. (To do so, of course, mean you have to, you know, prove your accusations.) But theis joker says I don’t have to obey anybody in the government, obey any laws, perform any public duties, because of charges about one member of that government.
Our government is one of laws and not of men. The wingnuts don’t get that, At one end the flap their arms and shriek, “Because of the super-cyborg ninja terrorists, wecan’t have due process and court trials any more!” And on the other side they say “I don’t have to obey any laws at all if I make n allegation about the President!”
Their view is tribal, and antithetical to civilization. It’s the children’s playground–and the militia compound.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pmI joined the Navy back in 1973, knowing that my CinC would be Richard Nixon. A man I considered to be a crook, and therefore not fit for the office he held. I served anyway, believing I was serving my country more than I was serving a crook in the White House. As it turns out, enough people agreed with me that he was a crook, and he resigned before I’d been in uniform even a year.
There have been times when I believed the man serving as President was not doing so legitimately. Nixon was one example — George W. Bush was another. And I believe I had a more substantive argument on my side than a fanciful (and well-debunked) tale about a birth certificate.
I don’t know if Stefan Cook is adopting this position all on his own, or if he is being used by the birthers to get their case to court (there’s good reason to believe it’s the latter). Either way, he must truly believe in his cause — not only will he wind up going to jail, not only is his military career (and just about any other career he wishes to have) ruined, but he will spend the rest of his life being a laughingstock.
And I can take comfort that the military that serves my country will no longer include this imbecile in its ranks.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmHmm – throw his butt in prison. He commander-in-chief is Obama whether he likes it or not.
Now, if he were objecting to the war on moral grounds – then we would be digging into the last administration’s walk outs.
But he reason is lawless and deserving of punishment
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If I were the FBI I’d keep a close eye on this crazy Maj. Cook. Whether he serves time, is dishonorably discharged or just has his case thrown out and is deployed, he seems like a likely candidate to take his (as he sees it) underapreciated views out violently.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:54 pmpbeeq and misscoleopteramolly,
Thank you. Two well written, non-inflammatory posts that say everything that needs to be said on this issue. It was worth wading through all the craziness in the posts before yours, just to get to yours (not saying that all the previous posters were crazy, but some of the regulars were clearly driven close to it by the truly insane wingers).
Oh, and I LOVE the vote down feature – now I don’t have to expose my beautiful mind to quite so much crazy. It’s a good day at Think Progress.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Would it be safe to say the “vote down” button is actually a strong indicator that the post can’t be debunked?
No.
It’s a strong indicator that the post is not worthy of being debunked. Or, as is more often the case, that the post has been so thoroughly and repeatedly debunked as to no longer be worth even reading.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Examples, please.\
Read the above thread…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmCanare says:
True enough. If he were disagreeing with the war for moral reasons then he would have needed to be an objector since 2003. His rationale for disobeying a direct order are absurd. He needs to do his job.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pmMinus 5 says:
Another troll with a POST deathwish.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pmMinus 5 says:
that the post has been so thoroughly and repeatedly debunked
Examples, please.
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Sorry there is no way we can help illiterates
July 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pmMinus 5 says:
Examples, please.
As others said, read the above thread.
Also, and for the benefit of others:
Born in the U.S.A.
Has Obama’s birth certificate been disclosed?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pmMinus 5 says:
Would it be safe to say the “vote down” button is actually a strong indicator that the post can’t be debunked?
July 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
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it’s the market place of ideas,
if your idea is crap, it gets flushed.
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are you against free markets?
:)
July 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pmjoe cantwell says
Or you could see it as direct democracy and we all know how much wingnuts HATE democracy unless it comes out their way.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pmWhat a bonehead. Soldiers dressed in U.N. uniforms should land a black helicopter in his back yard in the middle of the night to sweep him off to leavenworth.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pmOh my freaking God.
Listen, dude, if you’re too big a pusssy to serve honorably, just go tell your CO that you’re gay. They’ll send you home pronto. Quit wasting our flarking time with this moronic shit!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:41 pmdeploy his ass straight to jail.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm* * *
gene,
well they could always blame it on ACORN.
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pardon me,
there’s another troll
i gotta go vote down on…
:)
July 14th, 2009 at 11:11 pm58. Oval (as well as many others) says “Everyone with an active human conscience should refuse to participate in President Obama’s ongoing criminal imperial occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.”
How come the war is Obama’s imperial campaign. Didn’t Bush have something to do with it ?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:19 pmthe great GOPsby says:
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You don’t get PROMOTED for disobeying a direct order , jackass ; in fact , under Article 90, during times of war, a military member who willfully disobeys a superior commissioned officer can be sentenced to death.
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he has a right to file conscientious objector status.
Only if he’s objecting conscientiously, which Mr. Cook is not. He’s arguing that Obama isn’t president. That’s a matter that can be quantitatively proved or disproved, which is not the same as a qualitative moral objection – which is what the conscientious objector status was created for in the first place.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:45 pmHoodathunktick says:
If anyone can come up with a single thing the Republicans have done sin the last 6 months that was productive, I will kiss your ass in the rotunda of the Capital.
No need to kiss my ass, but I think you are forgetting about the bill to ban the creation of mermaids, centaurs, and other manimals.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:31 amThe “Birther” point is moot! The time for such discovery was prior to the Congress of the United States of America recognizing the Obama Presidency. He is the recognized leader of the Free World, like it or not. The actions of any soldier who alledgedly disobeys an order from the Commander and Chief are criminal in the least and punishable by Court Martial and dishonorary discharge, if found guilty.
In this particular case the charge may rise to the level of mutiny, given that the refusal to obey an order is based on an accuasation, not proven fact (simple opinion), and a direct challenge to the leader’s legitimacy to lead, and has potential to incite greater dissertion within the military.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:34 ampags2 says:
zuch says:
This is good. Not only will it result in yet another resounding legal demolishment of the “Birthers”, but to top it off, one of these stoopid azos will go to the pokey … hopefully for a long time.
Don’t assume this guy is going to jail for failing to report. I would assume there is hostility toward Obama in the military. It is just a question of how deep.
Please stop with the bullshit. President Obama is well received by the troops. The only people who don’t respect President Obama are teabaggers , asswipes, and racist aholes.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:39 amThis soldier took an oath to serve his country and do his duty. I think his real fear is that he doesn’t want to go war now so he is using Obama as his excuse. Why do the conservatives cheer him on yet if he was not a “hater” of Obama he would be persecuted for not doing his duty. It goes to show you that the conservative party is out of control like ants being sprayed with Raid. And if this soldier doesn’t want to head to war then lead him off to jail. He is the real traitor!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 amBut I thought the right wingers said to love the president right or wrong to show your patriotism and love of country? Huh. The right wingers lied again? Oh boy.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:24 amThis coward, Cook, should be striped of his rank, have his retirement pay reduced to zero, and spend a year at Leavenworth. After that, he should be free to do as he pleases.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:37 amMajor Cook, meet latrine.
Start scrubbing.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:29 amDishonorable discharge the loser. It had nothing to do with where Obama was born, this white boy can not stand the fact the a black man is running America. This loser is a traitor and should be treated as such.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pmNow that your man Obama controls the military, it’s alright now to be in favor of the big bad green machine and against anyone who opposes it, huh? I would venture to guess that every one of you coffee-house lawyers were in support of those who, during the last administration, refused to serve for one reason or other.
I’m not backing this guy up. If it’s a tactic to get out of deploying, MAJ Cook should be criticized and punished. But if you want to demonize him because he believes something you all think is crazy (and it may in fact be), then think twice — you were probably all about the wild conspiracy rhetoric surrounding the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq and Afghan wars.
I’m an Army combat veteran. I served in Afghanistan. We soldiers could have used a little of your support from 2001-2008, during which time you all were busy labeling us as baby killers and torturers. Where the hell were you all then?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm“I’m an Army combat veteran. I served in Afghanistan. We soldiers could have used a little of your support from 2001-2008, during which time you all were busy labeling us as baby killers and torturers. Where the hell were you all then?”
My family has served honorably in wars from the first one (Independence) through to the current conflict in Iraq, and I am proud of them. I – and indeed most of the folks I know (who are most certainly Democrat) – have always supported the people in harm’s way, and it’s an insult to suggest otherwise. Your criticism might be better aimed at the Bush administration that consistently left our military underfunded and underequipped.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pmStrafStrudel great post. I agree with you. How is this guy any different from LT Ehern Watada, whom most people on this site defended?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pmStrafStrudel says:
I’m an Army combat veteran. I served in Afghanistan. We soldiers could have used a little of your support from 2001-2008, during which time you all were busy labeling us as baby killers and torturers. Where the hell were you all then?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Stop with the hysterics son. No one is denigrating the troops here, now or previously. Some of us were supporting removing the troops from an unnecessary war for profits of a few. Is that not supporting them in your opinion?
This is simple. When you join, you take an oath, as you should know if you served. If you break it, you will be tried, convicted and suffer the consequences, as have those many who have chosen to not return to iraqnam or afghanistan for their 3rd or 4th deployments for whatever reasons.
You are free to “support” this officer’s desertion as we are to support any other troops who desert, eh?
Why don’t you try googling “us military desertions” and begin reading how many THOUSANDS of troops desert each year…….
IMHO that’s much better than suicide……try googling “us military suicides” and you might begin to understand that supporting the troops is not necessarily supporting their mission, but the persons themselves. Get help if you need it and encourage others to do the same.
You wanna support a nutcase calling out the CIC to get out of war zone deployment? Be my guest.
USAF Security 68-72 including perimeter and convoy security, Bien Hoa to Tay Nihn 69-70
Honor the warriors, not the war
July 15th, 2009 at 6:47 pmwoke says:
At first I was going to take exception at being called “son”, but then I see you were a Vietnam vet so you’re my senior. You get to call me “son”. Thanks for your service. Seriously.
However, I have to disagree with your claim about so-called “progressives” (BTW, what constitutes “progress” in this connection still eludes me) not denigrating “the troops”. That is false. You know it and I know it. You may not be denigrating the troops and I suspect you would not given your service record, but I have plenty of “progressive” friends who, for example, were among the first to pile on the Haditha Marines and who remained strangely silent after they were acquitted of the charges brought against them. Anyone who ever served as a foot soldier (not to mention anyone with respect for our system of law) knew they deserved at least the benefit of the doubt until the facts were investigated and made known.
As for you and other commentators trying to convince me, as did one Obamabot in my neighborhood, that this administration “supports the troops” whereas the previous administration did not, all I need do is point you to the recent change in ROE ordered in Afghanistan, preventing troops from engaging the enemy within 100m of a dwelling, ostensibly to reduce “collateral damage”. I was an infantryman. So is almost everyone else I know in the service. We all agree that is a deadly decision and it’s going to get US soldiers killed. How it could be anything but politically-motivated I have no idea. It should be rescinded or we should pull out of Afghanistan. You can’t fight on the ground unless you can close with an enemy and kill them. If they get to take free potshots at you from “friendly” houses, you’re going to have a bad day.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:29 pmYour penchant for namecalling and labelling others is as annoying as your attempts to cast generalized insults, and otherwise continually change the subject, in order to denigrate those whose politics differ with your own. It’s pretty telling, son.
You got nuthin’. The subject is a right wing nutcase officer trying to use a discredited repug talking point to keep from deploying into a war zone.
Do you support that? Fine….that’s you.
Do you support all the THOUSANDS of other deserters each year, regardless of their reasons? Why not? For certainly, many have better reasons than this discredited BS.
Seems to me, you are all about POLITICS, not about supporting the troops.
Think about it. Research us military desertions.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:28 pmWell, Mr. woke, you seemed to have called me some names, labelled me, and aimed generalized insults in my direction. OK. Game on.
I said I didn’t support the guy, just like I didn’t support the folks who tried to weasel out of serving (and all of whom took the same oaths we did) during Bush 43’s term. My quote from above (which apparently you didn’t read):
Which part of that is about POLITICS?
And which, exactly were the “generalized insults”? I cited particular instances where particular (self-describing “progressive”) friends of mine said particular things about the Haditha Marines and failed to say other things when their innocence was established by court martial. I also cited the particular order to change ROE in Afghanistan. If you would like to talk about those statements of mine, I would be glad to. I aimed no insult at you, and expected similar treatment in return.
The only thing I said of a general nature is (and now I paraphrase) that I find it strange that “progressives” lay exclusive claim to the term “progressive” as it applies to their politics, thereby implying that others are against “progress”. I have asked all of the aforementioned friends the question “What, to you, represents progress?” only to be met with confusion or sometimes sneers. It’s a fair question. My dictionary defines “progress” as:
I’m an educated man. I know that words like “better”, “complete” and “modern” semantically require dimensions along which things are more or less “better”, “complete” and “modern” in order to have meaning. It is not a “generalized insult” to ask someone what their conception of those dimensions is and what a positive change along those dimensions would mean personally and in the realm of public policy. It is what we call in English a “question”.
But never mind all that. I tried to be respectful – even thanking you for your military service. That’s not a political statement. That was a soldier-to-soldier courtesy, and one I extend to anyone, whatever their politics, who has served honorably. But somehow you got the idea, because I questioned the orthodoxy that holds sway in groups like this, that I just might be some kind of right-wing pathogen that needs to be driven out of the “progressive” body. I guess the service of throwbacks like myself doesn’t count, huh?
You know what’s funny? I’ve even exchanged civil words with Cindy Sheehan. We disagreed on many things, but you know, she’s a genuinely kind person. I’m getting the feeling you’re not. You have the instincts of a Kommissar.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:28 pmHonest statement without throwing any insults at anyone which it seems is the norm here…
July 16th, 2009 at 12:03 amI DO support our troops…and I am thankful for every one of them that have served here and abroad. I have 2 nephews that have enlisted within the last year and many generations of my family that have faught and died for our country.
I would say…#1) who here has seen or heard any report of any citiziship being publically proved regarding this man??? I do know that it has been brought up several times and questioned publicly during the election and up to now… I have wondered myself, not being swayed by others opinions, why there hasn’t been sufficient proof provided or produced publicly to refute any argument against the claim! After all, natural born citizenship IS one of the requirements by law to be the leader of our nation. So why HASN’T it been addressed to the nation and why didn’t WE as a nation make sure it was proven before we put him into office? #2) If there is a ligitimate claim that this man (and all the other soldiers who protect our nation for that matter) CAN in fact be held or punished for war crimes by following orders & engaging in this conflict at a later time; then I think the argument SHOULD be heard. Our soldiers SHOULD be protected if there is any risk!
Careful now peoples. The order to the major was revoked today by the president. Which would stand to reason that the soldier may have been on to something. I will not stand by and watch as you tear one another apart over ideologic lines. Instead of quarreling over someone elses fight; remember that it takes two to tango, Presidents, and legistlators have done this dance many times and pointing fingers and placing blame is part of thier game. Not ours. BTW stereotypes serve only to subvert the truth, and only through truth can enlightenment be achieved. Dishonoring others is to dishonor yourselves.
July 16th, 2009 at 12:32 amKommisar? Good one, wow, you ARE a combat vet, eh?
LOL
Does Barak Obama hold a security clearance? Did the CIA and Pentagon allow him to become a Senator and subsequently the President of the United States?
Did you worry about lilaWol deserting his service during the Vietnam war? Did you know he did not complete his service or take his drug tests to keep his pilot status, which he swore to do upon being placed above 500 other applicants? Did you know that if a reservist goes awol, he was subject to being called up to active duty? Did any of you question his right to be potus because of his LACK of ONE document proving he served out his term?
Were the orders to deploy valid under lilaWol? Were the congressional authorizations valid then? Would they not also be valid now?
That’s what I thought.
LMFAO
July 16th, 2009 at 7:56 amhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Click on the certificate to view it..
Honor the warriors, not the war
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July 16th, 2009 at 8:18 amivaw.org
Woke:
I followed this link and read the article as well as looked at what they have as a copy of the certificate…(I can say there are some pretty stupid comments under the story regarding the type face used and whether or not laser printers were invented back in 1961…some pretty ignorant people.)
July 16th, 2009 at 11:15 amOne thing that does strike me in the arguemnts though is the fact that, yes, that may be a copy of a certificate (it is a replacement actually and not the original people are referring to) BUT…on that certificate, I agree with the fact it is questionable to me because even thought there is a printed seal at the top of the page..the IS NOT an empressed seal on that document and there is no official signature either. I know both of these things are on certified copies of certificates because I have copies of my children’s. It is one thing that WOULD legitimize the document…but its not present. So yes I would want more sufficient proof as well if my life & freedom were at stake…
Well, let’s see YOUR birth certificate GMom…..do you have a long form copy which the freeper wingnuts claim is all that can be used to prove he is a citizen?
Do you REALLY believe the CIA, Pentagon, and US Law Enforcement is not satisfied Obama is a citizen? Anyone who believes that is either not too bright….or such a political partisan, they cannot help themselves from attempting BS sour grapes.
You would want more proof before serving, eh? Why don’t you just admit that you would NEVER serve and then consider you don’t know wtf you are talking about…??
July 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pmWoke…
First, I see no reason for you to attack me for a simple comment…I was not rude when I responded to your post, nor did I tell you that your information was BS, call you “not so bright”, that you didn’t know WTF you were talking about, and I certainly didn’t question your loyalty to your country or your ability/willingness to serve it! I was simply stating a point that was comparing the copy, on the site YOU gave as a reference, to US certified copies I have of personal documents that could possibly STOP the arguments from all nay-sayers. I never said it wasn’t REAL… If you were in a possible position of being imprisoned or executed over such a circumstance would you NOT want to be certain before taking action?
Second, the other point was…it seems the problem isn’t whether or not the CIA, Pentagon & US Law Enforcement believes it or not…every word he says oral or written is documented on record for the duration of his term; every detail about him is now part of history. What I am saying here is every aspect of his life is public…ok…so what’s the big deal about providing documents now? It simply makes him look bad by continuing to refuse to provide such things that would easily stop the entire issue from ever being raised again! With all the insults being thrown around in here I would also add this soldier ISN’T the first one to raise this objection…there are other soldiers that are documented as well that are on active duty in Iraq that have also asked for this same proof, as well as, 2 more enlisted Americans that have added their names to the list today even AFTER this case was dismissed in court(only making the point again, why not stop the argument now?)!
And to answer your question…if it WERE me in that situation where showing proof of my birth was under such scrutiny
for a position that important…then YES I would do everything in my power to provide a document of that calibur to prove it without hesitation and as quickly as possible…
By your reaction, are you implying that you wouldn’t want answers or that you wouldn’t provide such proof if it was you in the situation???
July 17th, 2009 at 2:58 amJebus,
What does it take to appease people like yourself? The man presented his birth certificate. It’s on record and a link can be found on this thread, just a few posts earlier than yours at # 280.
If you don’t accept it, as the so called birthers don’t wish to, that’s YOUR problem and it’s a problem of INTELLIGENCE OR EXTREMIST PARTISANSHIP.
My point is that if you can present YOUR own birth certificate in some form that’s better than that, let’s see it. You cannot do so, because our BC are given to us as COPIES, just like what is posted on the link from LA Times…
Otherwise, accept the FACT that Obama DID present his birth certificate and all US govt. agencies that deal with such matters accept it as FACT. Just because YOU and a handful of political partisans and their DUPES choose not to is of no concern to anyone else.
Have a nice day.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:51 amStrafStrudel says:
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But if you want to demonize him because he believes something you all think is crazy (and it may in fact be), then think twice — you were probably all about the wild conspiracy rhetoric surrounding the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq and Afghan wars.
WTF? There’s a fairly large difference between Bush lying in order to invade Iraq (WMDs anyone?) – a known FACT – and Cook making up Obama isn’t a US Citizen – a known LIE.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:16 pm