But if you want to demonize him because he believes something you all think is crazy (and it may in fact be), then think twice — you were probably all about the wild conspiracy rhetoric surrounding the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

WTF? There’s a fairly large difference between Bush lying in order to invade Iraq (WMDs anyone?) – a known FACT – and Cook making up Obama isn’t a US Citizen – a known LIE.

What does it take to appease people like yourself? The man presented his birth certificate. It’s on record and a link can be found on this thread, just a few posts earlier than yours at # 280.

If you don’t accept it, as the so called birthers don’t wish to, that’s YOUR problem and it’s a problem of INTELLIGENCE OR EXTREMIST PARTISANSHIP.

My point is that if you can present YOUR own birth certificate in some form that’s better than that, let’s see it. You cannot do so, because our BC are given to us as COPIES, just like what is posted on the link from LA Times…

Otherwise, accept the FACT that Obama DID present his birth certificate and all US govt. agencies that deal with such matters accept it as FACT. Just because YOU and a handful of political partisans and their DUPES choose not to is of no concern to anyone else.

Have a nice day.

First, I see no reason for you to attack me for a simple comment…I was not rude when I responded to your post, nor did I tell you that your information was BS, call you “not so bright”, that you didn’t know WTF you were talking about, and I certainly didn’t question your loyalty to your country or your ability/willingness to serve it! I was simply stating a point that was comparing the copy, on the site YOU gave as a reference, to US certified copies I have of personal documents that could possibly STOP the arguments from all nay-sayers. I never said it wasn’t REAL… If you were in a possible position of being imprisoned or executed over such a circumstance would you NOT want to be certain before taking action?

Second, the other point was…it seems the problem isn’t whether or not the CIA, Pentagon & US Law Enforcement believes it or not…every word he says oral or written is documented on record for the duration of his term; every detail about him is now part of history. What I am saying here is every aspect of his life is public…ok…so what’s the big deal about providing documents now? It simply makes him look bad by continuing to refuse to provide such things that would easily stop the entire issue from ever being raised again! With all the insults being thrown around in here I would also add this soldier ISN’T the first one to raise this objection…there are other soldiers that are documented as well that are on active duty in Iraq that have also asked for this same proof, as well as, 2 more enlisted Americans that have added their names to the list today even AFTER this case was dismissed in court(only making the point again, why not stop the argument now?)!

And to answer your question…if it WERE me in that situation where showing proof of my birth was under such scrutiny
for a position that important…then YES I would do everything in my power to provide a document of that calibur to prove it without hesitation and as quickly as possible…

By your reaction, are you implying that you wouldn’t want answers or that you wouldn’t provide such proof if it was you in the situation???

Do you REALLY believe the CIA, Pentagon, and US Law Enforcement is not satisfied Obama is a citizen? Anyone who believes that is either not too bright….or such a political partisan, they cannot help themselves from attempting BS sour grapes.

You would want more proof before serving, eh? Why don’t you just admit that you would NEVER serve and then consider you don’t know wtf you are talking about…??

I followed this link and read the article as well as looked at what they have as a copy of the certificate…(I can say there are some pretty stupid comments under the story regarding the type face used and whether or not laser printers were invented back in 1961…some pretty ignorant people.)
One thing that does strike me in the arguemnts though is the fact that, yes, that may be a copy of a certificate (it is a replacement actually and not the original people are referring to) BUT…on that certificate, I agree with the fact it is questionable to me because even thought there is a printed seal at the top of the page..the IS NOT an empressed seal on that document and there is no official signature either. I know both of these things are on certified copies of certificates because I have copies of my children’s. It is one thing that WOULD legitimize the document…but its not present. So yes I would want more sufficient proof as well if my life & freedom were at stake…

Click on the certificate to view it..

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Does Barak Obama hold a security clearance? Did the CIA and Pentagon allow him to become a Senator and subsequently the President of the United States?

Did you worry about lilaWol deserting his service during the Vietnam war? Did you know he did not complete his service or take his drug tests to keep his pilot status, which he swore to do upon being placed above 500 other applicants? Did you know that if a reservist goes awol, he was subject to being called up to active duty? Did any of you question his right to be potus because of his LACK of ONE document proving he served out his term?

Were the orders to deploy valid under lilaWol? Were the congressional authorizations valid then? Would they not also be valid now?

That’s what I thought.

LMFAO

I said I didn’t support the guy, just like I didn’t support the folks who tried to weasel out of serving (and all of whom took the same oaths we did) during Bush 43’s term. My quote from above (which apparently you didn’t read):

I’m not backing this guy up. If it’s a tactic to get out of deploying, MAJ Cook should be criticized and punished.

Which part of that is about POLITICS?

And which, exactly were the “generalized insults”? I cited particular instances where particular (self-describing “progressive”) friends of mine said particular things about the Haditha Marines and failed to say other things when their innocence was established by court martial. I also cited the particular order to change ROE in Afghanistan. If you would like to talk about those statements of mine, I would be glad to. I aimed no insult at you, and expected similar treatment in return.

The only thing I said of a general nature is (and now I paraphrase) that I find it strange that “progressives” lay exclusive claim to the term “progressive” as it applies to their politics, thereby implying that others are against “progress”. I have asked all of the aforementioned friends the question “What, to you, represents progress?” only to be met with confusion or sometimes sneers. It’s a fair question. My dictionary defines “progress” as:

advance or development toward a better, more complete, or more modern condition

I’m an educated man. I know that words like “better”, “complete” and “modern” semantically require dimensions along which things are more or less “better”, “complete” and “modern” in order to have meaning. It is not a “generalized insult” to ask someone what their conception of those dimensions is and what a positive change along those dimensions would mean personally and in the realm of public policy. It is what we call in English a “question”.

But never mind all that. I tried to be respectful – even thanking you for your military service. That’s not a political statement. That was a soldier-to-soldier courtesy, and one I extend to anyone, whatever their politics, who has served honorably. But somehow you got the idea, because I questioned the orthodoxy that holds sway in groups like this, that I just might be some kind of right-wing pathogen that needs to be driven out of the “progressive” body. I guess the service of throwbacks like myself doesn’t count, huh?

You know what’s funny? I’ve even exchanged civil words with Cindy Sheehan. We disagreed on many things, but you know, she’s a genuinely kind person. I’m getting the feeling you’re not. You have the instincts of a Kommissar.

You got nuthin’. The subject is a right wing nutcase officer trying to use a discredited repug talking point to keep from deploying into a war zone.

Do you support that? Fine….that’s you.

Do you support all the THOUSANDS of other deserters each year, regardless of their reasons? Why not? For certainly, many have better reasons than this discredited BS.

Seems to me, you are all about POLITICS, not about supporting the troops.

Think about it. Research us military desertions.

Stop with the hysterics son. No one is denigrating the troops here, now or previously. Some of us were supporting removing the troops from an unnecessary war for profits of a few. Is that not supporting them in your opinion?

At first I was going to take exception at being called “son”, but then I see you were a Vietnam vet so you’re my senior. You get to call me “son”. Thanks for your service. Seriously.

However, I have to disagree with your claim about so-called “progressives” (BTW, what constitutes “progress” in this connection still eludes me) not denigrating “the troops”. That is false. You know it and I know it. You may not be denigrating the troops and I suspect you would not given your service record, but I have plenty of “progressive” friends who, for example, were among the first to pile on the Haditha Marines and who remained strangely silent after they were acquitted of the charges brought against them. Anyone who ever served as a foot soldier (not to mention anyone with respect for our system of law) knew they deserved at least the benefit of the doubt until the facts were investigated and made known.

As for you and other commentators trying to convince me, as did one Obamabot in my neighborhood, that this administration “supports the troops” whereas the previous administration did not, all I need do is point you to the recent change in ROE ordered in Afghanistan, preventing troops from engaging the enemy within 100m of a dwelling, ostensibly to reduce “collateral damage”. I was an infantryman. So is almost everyone else I know in the service. We all agree that is a deadly decision and it’s going to get US soldiers killed. How it could be anything but politically-motivated I have no idea. It should be rescinded or we should pull out of Afghanistan. You can’t fight on the ground unless you can close with an enemy and kill them. If they get to take free potshots at you from “friendly” houses, you’re going to have a bad day.

I’m an Army combat veteran. I served in Afghanistan. We soldiers could have used a little of your support from 2001-2008, during which time you all were busy labeling us as baby killers and torturers. Where the hell were you all then?

July 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Stop with the hysterics son. No one is denigrating the troops here, now or previously. Some of us were supporting removing the troops from an unnecessary war for profits of a few. Is that not supporting them in your opinion?

This is simple. When you join, you take an oath, as you should know if you served. If you break it, you will be tried, convicted and suffer the consequences, as have those many who have chosen to not return to iraqnam or afghanistan for their 3rd or 4th deployments for whatever reasons.

You are free to “support” this officer’s desertion as we are to support any other troops who desert, eh?

Why don’t you try googling “us military desertions” and begin reading how many THOUSANDS of troops desert each year…….

IMHO that’s much better than suicide……try googling “us military suicides” and you might begin to understand that supporting the troops is not necessarily supporting their mission, but the persons themselves. Get help if you need it and encourage others to do the same.

You wanna support a nutcase calling out the CIC to get out of war zone deployment? Be my guest.

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My family has served honorably in wars from the first one (Independence) through to the current conflict in Iraq, and I am proud of them. I – and indeed most of the folks I know (who are most certainly Democrat) – have always supported the people in harm’s way, and it’s an insult to suggest otherwise. Your criticism might be better aimed at the Bush administration that consistently left our military underfunded and underequipped.

I’m not backing this guy up. If it’s a tactic to get out of deploying, MAJ Cook should be criticized and punished. But if you want to demonize him because he believes something you all think is crazy (and it may in fact be), then think twice — you were probably all about the wild conspiracy rhetoric surrounding the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

I’m an Army combat veteran. I served in Afghanistan. We soldiers could have used a little of your support from 2001-2008, during which time you all were busy labeling us as baby killers and torturers. Where the hell were you all then?

Start scrubbing.