Grassley endorses caller’s pledge to forgo paying taxes if abortions are federally-funded.
Grassley endorses caller’s pledge to forgo paying taxes if abortions are federally-funded.
On C-Span’s Washington Journal this morning with Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), a caller referenced a question Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) posed to Judge Sonia Sotomayor during her Supreme Court nomination hearings yesterday in which Graham asked about taxpayer-funded abortions. “If the tax dollars do start going to fund abortions I am at this point going to refuse to pay my taxes,” the caller said, adding, “I would rather go to jail than have people take my tax dollars and kill innocent human beings.” “First of all,” Grassley replied, “I agree with you on your opinion.” Watch it:
Grassley has been the conservative leader in trying to take away abortion services from women who enter into a new national health care Exchange (which would be established if health reform passes). If Grassley prevails in this fight, “millions of women who have access to abortion services (through their employer) would suddenly lose it, should they chose to enroll in a new health care plan in the Exchange.”
Transcript:
CALLER: I’ve been listening to some of these hearing and I have to admit that I was baffled by one of the questions regarding the Dred Scott case and the Judge saying that it was tantamount to slavery to not allow women to be — have abortions funded by Medicaid with our tax dollars.
And the reason I’m baffled is because as a pro-life person, I compare that innocent baby in the womb, who just wants to live and should have a right to life, to Dred Scott, who was called a slave and was owned by another person. The liberal mind set is that this little one is owned by the mom and can be killed at whim and I just don’t understand, I think the problem is like Mr. Henderson said if the judge is going to rule on facts and she’s gonna make law looking at the facts, we have two different views of what truth is in this regard. One party says that this is a human being that is entitled to life and the other is saying it’s property and we should be able to kill it at whim. And if the tax dollars do start going to fund abortions I am at this point going to refuse to pay my taxes. I would rather go to jail than have people take my tax dollars and kill innocent human beings.
GRASSLEY: Well first of all I agree with you on your opinion and I’ll state and even though I don’t like Rove v Wade. … For Roe v Wade to be changed its probably going to have to be the science that brings it about.
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Well ,I guess that clinches it ; the Iraqi people must be GUILTY of something , because they’re being slaughtered with our taxpayer funded money …………
July 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmFine, I hope all these wing nuts stop paying taxes. Then we can throw them in jail!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmYeah, OK, so Grassley believes all of us who protested the war in Iraq should have followed our conscience and not paid taxes? These folks’ definition of “pro-life” is incredibly narrow.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI would love to have had that option during the Iraq catastrophe.
It’s rare to see any sort of humility and decency in the anti-abortion crowd anymore.
All I see now are murderous thugs, hyper paranoids and screaming bullies, ready to blow someone’s head off, all in the name of Jesus.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pmThis idiot doesn’t want to pay taxes to fund possible abortions, but doesn’t mind paying taxes for war.
Hypocrite.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm“If the tax dollars do start going to fund illegal wars I am at this point going to refuse to pay my taxes,” the caller said, adding, “I would rather go to jail than have people take my tax dollars and kill innocent human beings.”
There, fixed it for the caller and Grassley. I’m sure Ole Grass still agrees with the overall point.
PEACE
July 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pmpakaal says:
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Yeah, OK, so Grassley believes all of us who protested the war in Iraq should have followed our conscience and not paid taxes? These folks’ definition of “pro-life” is incredibly narrow.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmI could’nt agree more. Double the thumbs up!!!!!
Conscientious Objector status, as I understand it, does not apply to tax obligations of citizens. Were that the case, I would withhold payment because I disapprove of those taxes going to pay for health care for Boehner’s future skin cancer treatments, Ensign’s STD testing, etc.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmInteresting that all of the first five comments link “tax-payer funded” with “killing”, but through the GNOP’s much-revered illegal invasion of Iraq.
“Once you’re outta that vagina, it’s every baby for himself!”
PEACE
July 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmTypical GOP idiocy :
Funding abortions = Bad
Funding Illegal Invasions & Occupations = Good
These are the same morons who wonder what’s gone wrong in this country ………..
July 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pmHi Proud…
July 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pmProd, if you’re going to troll, at least give it some real effort.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmProud says:
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I guess Tim Geithner and the rest of the non tax paying dems were just ahead of the curve when they failed to pay their taxes. And since Geithner saw no reprecussions for cheating on his taxes why should any of of pay ours?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
John McCrappyPilot and Bible Spice Palin are DEMS , you moron ?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmThey all paid their taxes with interest and penalties just like anyone else would have to do, you fool.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pmBye Proud.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pmJust one more down vote before your nonsensical post is relegated to the trashbin, Mr. Pee…keep up the great fish in a barrel work, and we’ll keep taking the easy shots here…
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pmProud says:
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Hey Zooey I thought it wa pretty good, Geithner cheats on his taxes and get to head the treasury dept. I think that sets a pretty good precedent for anyone else to cheat on their taxes. Remind me again how many Obama nominees for posts had tax problems.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Remind us again who you wanted to win the presidency , after you and your useless political brethren have railed for years about Clinton cheating on his wife , skid mark………..
July 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pmI wonder why right-wingers never get upset about the rich Republicans who hide their millions in Cayman Island bank accounts to avoid paying taxes.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pmThat’s what you get for thinking, Prod. Remind me again how many sitting Republican sex scandals.
Tax mistakes can be remedied, with interest and penalties, but Republicans just can’t un-f uck that goat.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmDoes Proud teach Sunday School at some megachurch?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmLooks like one of the GOP trolls (Proud?) reported my first comment for moderation. To whoever it is, all I can say is if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. ^_^
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pmWould it be too much to ask to not repost the trolls crapola people.
that is why we vote them down, so we don’t have to see their stupid, ignorant lies and propaganda.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pmI wonder if the Senator from Iowa (R) just committed a conspiracy to violate Federal law by doing this? You can bet they would have impeached Bill Clinton or any Democrat for suggesting this.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pmAdamkun says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Moderation is automatic. You probably used a naughty word. ;)
July 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pmWhatever happened to that story concerning the settlement the IRS reached with certain Swiss banks, in which the names of many wealthy American account holders were turned over to the IRS?
Of course, the corporate-owned media are not going to touch that one, but what about the blogosphere?
Does anyone know anything more about this?
Are any criminal charges pending?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pmProud says:
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July 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
You are quite welcome , Proud2BAGOPCumDumpster………….
July 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pmI only used the d-word that normally proceeds bag. Is that descriptive enough to convey what I said without getting modded again?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm“I would rather go to jail than have people take my tax dollars and kill innocent human beings.”
Is it just me, or couldn’t this statement apply equally well to preemptive war?
Do you suppose the caller recognizes this irony?
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Adamkun says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Moderation is automatic. You probably used a naughty word. ;)
I only used the d-word that normally proceeds bag. Is that descriptive enough to convey what I said without getting modded again?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Regular spelling of that won’t work ……….Try this :
d0uchebag ………….use a zero instead of an O ……..
July 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pmProud says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
That’s a mistake which will not be repeated, but you’ll be an imbecile forever.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pmRalph – your question assumes that Repignofascists are capable of cognitive thought. You might want to reconsider asking it!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pmAdamkun says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Try this: doosh
Silly, huh?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pmralph, you’re such a funny guy.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pmProud = Fail
Post aren’t deleted under the new system; simply, the blight is removed from sight and anyone who wishes to subject themselves to inanity is welcome to Click to read.
MCMetal’s post pertinently included your original to lend better heft to his smackdown. Ergo, still not so much a win for you.
Double Fail.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pmGood point Shoeless #20, I read somewhere recently(sorry I cant recall where) that the rich who hide their money overseas cost the US 40 billion dollars a year in tax money. Now that would feed alot of hungry American children. We all know how much rich repugs care about the less fortunate in our country. How revolting.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmProud says:
I guess you can delete my post but idiot MCMetal already copied and reposted it so it will live forever.
Au contraire: it will DIE forever — the eventual fate of all idiocy placed on display in an educated forum.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmWhy do Republicans get by with their rhetoric calling literally for the overthrow of the US government when it suits them?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmProud says:
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July 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
You’re attempting to impugn a female poster when you’ve never even been alone with one ?
It’s funny when losers like this “Proud” shithead , who can’t even get laid in a morgue , try to talk smack ………..
July 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pmOff Topic
After watching watchdog and backup go off the deep end on another thread, and witnessing the disaster that is proud, I’d like to make a suggestion to the moderators.
I’d say you should pick a number, somewhere between 20 (too few) and 100 (too many) of voted down comments, then that poster is banned completely.
I’m not going for censorship, it’s just that I’ve seen so many threads that devolve into right wing hate nonsense that I don’t see a point for letting certain people back in.
Maybe it’s just me.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pmI see our new feature has caused Prod to re-think his goals here.
Now he seems content to simply have his comments “live on”. Kind of a scaled-back ambition. But then, Prod’s inherent capabilities never allowed for a very grand ambition anyway.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pmIronic, that the party that feels entitled to regulate
the morality and personal choices of others, chooses leaders
that lack moral integrity in their own, personal lives.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWhen you live in a democracy, your tax dollars may go to things you may not like. Liberals, Democrats and other normal Americans had to deal with it for eight years and now it’s the republicans’ turn.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pmThen I’m sure Grassley will accept my decision to stop paying taxes until they cut the military budget in (at least) half and start providing a single-payer, universal healthcare plan to all Americans. And that’s just the beginning of my demands.
So, Senator, when I am arrested for tax evasion, I assume I can count on you to get me set free, since it’s clearly okay with you if the people use their taxes as a political barganing chip?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pmProud says:
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July 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
And apparently , you haven’t learned that your idiotic posts are not long for this world ………….Nor this site.
What a typical GOP backing dipshit . Way to go , Proud2BAGOPCumDumpster …………..
July 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmThis week in GNOP lawlessness:
Have I missed any of the good ones?
PEACE
July 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pmYeah, Prod; see, progressives are capable of absorbing new information and circumstances, and adjusting their reactions and expectations to them.
Conservatives, not so much.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pmGrassley is just posturing for his audience. The Dems need to avoid the abortion issue in the health care bill. It is too contentious and will divide public support for the bill. There are enough groups that can help women get abortions. The health care law can be amended at a later time to include abortions, but for now it is all about getting the bill passed.
The Dems in Iowa have enough material on Grassley to possibly defeat him. They can work the women’s abortion issue during the campaign. But the stupidest thing Grassley said was when he told the old man to go to work for the federal government if he wanted good health care. That video will go a long way in the campaign against Grassley.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pmOh Pwoud, you sure do know how to sweet talk the ladies.
BUH-BYE!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pmIt was the same hand picked audience at the All Star Game don’t you know.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pmAwwww, come on Prod. You’ve used that lame insult before.
Try again!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI’ve not been around for some time, but now that I see they’ve finally given us a way to deal with the rampant trolling here, that gives me an idea.
Proud, I’m not going to quote your tripe. It’s as off topic as this is. However, may I make a suggestion to the collective. If you’re going to vote the dude down, then don’t quote him when you reply. Ideally, we shouldn’t reply to him at all. Just vote the moron down (and flag him if he breaks policy) and let him spew his tripe to the great bitbucket in the sky. If you do have to reference a previous post of his, then as long as it’s not flaggable, just refer to the post number. If I want to read his tripe, then I can click the link.
As for this, I agree with the collective. The right wingers are all up in arms when liberals grouse about paying taxes to support wars, but they’re all for not paying taxes when it’s one of their pet issues they’re screaming about. The sad thing is that idiots like Proud don’t get that most liberals talk about not paying taxes for wars, but realize that if they get caught, then they pay the price. For the idgit talking about not paying for abortions, here’s an idea. Move to a country that doesn’t fund abortions, or pressure his representatives to make it so he doesn’t fund abortions with taxes. Easy idea. If you choose not to pay your taxes, don’t be surprised if the IRS comes and visits you.
Oh, and Proud? We’re not interested in your shiny object. Go away.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm“Invitation-only” is different than “hand-picked.”
BTW, why are we trying to educate this Prod fool?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmHey, lets give proud his due, he gave us a credible link to make his point. Even rethugs can be right once in a while.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmangels81 says:
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Hey, lets give proud his due, he gave us a credible link to make his point. Even rethugs can be right once in a while.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
That’s because he’s not right ; “hand-picked” and “invitation only” ARE NOT the same………
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pmGosh! This is just lovely! I no longer have to have Prod’s crap flung at my eyeballs!
Thank you, TP!!!!
Buh-bye trolls – good riddance, ya moronic dooshnozzles!!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmI can’t believe I’m doing this, but I don’t see a difference between “hand picked” and “Invitation-only”.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmBy the way, who do I speak to about having my taxes refunded for the last EIGHT YEARS…?
I shouldn’t have to pay for Chimpy’s illegal wars and for enriching his criminal gang…so, can I have my money back, please?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pmWow, Proud, you’re such an idiot it almost hurts me to point this out to you.
But, I’m gonna. Here we go:
An “invitation only” gathering doesn’t necessarily mean that the audience is “hand picked.” It means that the venue is too small to let everyone in, so only some people will be able to get tickets.
Here’s the rub for you: in this particular case, Obama didn’t hand-pick the attendees, they only restricted the number of those attending. You know how I know? Because I read the article you posted:
I wish I was able to articulate just what a dumb fu(k you are, but unfortunately, the English language doesn’t have a word for someone like you. You transcend all descriptions of moronic. It’s actually really impressive.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pmprod is still just a pussy little coward
never showed up after claiming he would
what a wuss
July 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmShit I get on the phone and by the time I return Proud has been negatived 10 over and over. I am sort of too lazy to bother to see what Proud had to say…
July 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pmJeremy, my personal way of approaching the “Vote Down” button is that if I respond to someone’s post, I will not vote it down.
I may respond to a troll’s presence, but if I respond to a specific post, I forego the option of voting down.
Also, I’m trying not to vote down comments that are on-topic and substantive just because I disagree with the thought expressed. I’m using the new button strictly for bandwidth-wasters like Prod.
That’s the way I’m dealing with it. Take it for what it’s worth.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pmI guess I should have asked how are the Invitation-only tickets being handed out? Was it on a first come first serve or were they given out to certain people who were picked?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pmNice take-down, smidget.
Prod doesn’t deserve the effort you put in, but the rest of us do. Thanks.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pmFrom the article:
A White House official said students and faculty at the community college will be eligible for a lottery to get tickets to the event.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pmangels81 says:
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I guess I should have asked how are the Invitation-only tickets being handed out? Was it on a first come first serve or were they given out to certain people who were picked?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
A White House official said students and faculty at the community college will be eligible for a lottery to get tickets to the event.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm@angels81
If you had read the link that Proud posted, you would know the difference.
Hand-picked is a group of people that the President (or whoever is speaking) has personally selected to attend because they fit a specific criteria.
Invitation-only doesn’t necessarily mean that. In this case, it was a lottery. That isn’t hand-picked from a criteria. It’s random. It indicates that there was a limitation that would preclude everyone who wanted to attend from doing so, such as a size-limitation with regard to the venue.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pmsmidget, thanks, you answered my question before I got it typed out. I take back my comments about proud getting it right for once. I feel better now that the world is back to normal.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:03 pmangels81 says:
I can’t believe I’m doing this, but I don’t see a difference between “hand picked” and “Invitation-only”.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
To my thinking, “invitation only” implies that the inviting is done by the entity holding the meeting (i.e. college), not the political party, while “hand picked” implies something done to insulate the president from dissent.
I think there’s a distinction, but others may disagree. Personally, I’d rather not see “invitation only” or “hand picked” anything.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pmsmidget answered it better. :)
July 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pmmy taxes pay Assley’ salary. that’s good enough reason not to pay taxes.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWow, I’m getting a lot of love on this thread.
Thanks, guys!
*tear* I’d like to thank my manager, my mom, and of course ralph, angel, and Zooey, without whom none of this would have been possible.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pmThis is from the original article that Proud’s link was quoting
July 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pmA conservative will stand by any principle that lets him avoid paying taxes.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pmI hope the IRS got his name and number. If the caller is making those kinds of statements now, he is already cheating on his taxes.
Another right wing-nut who wants the comforts and protections of government (i.e. tanks and bombers) without paying his fair share. And I bet he calls himself a patriot, too.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pmOh please. These wackedjobs who don’t want to pay this or that and then wants to stop paying taxes is a innate trait of birthers.
There are a whole lotta taxes and services I pay for and don’t any benefit from it. I bet people who don’t use roads or don’t use the school system don’t want to pay those taxes either. How about the our government that gives people an exception for each child, is that fair?
So don’t pay taxes and go live on mars.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pmOh yeah, I don’t like my tax money thrown at other countries, especially Israel. So what?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pmWhen a Senator agrees that a caller should stop paying taxes, that is really going too far.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmI don’t like my taxes going to fund the illegal war in Iraq. Nor do I like my taxes paying the Dick’s salary and all the other criminals. In fact, I don’t like that my tax dollars are paying the salaries of Republicans!
There are a lot of things I don’t want my tax dollars spent on — since when does a Senator think that is the right thing to do?
It seems as though Grassley shares a common philosophy that we have seen in other members of the far right–rules, regulations, and laws only need to be obeyed when these ordinances suit their own personal interests.
Violating established guidelines of conduct appears to be the “mavericky” thing to do lately.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmGrassley & King must have been pork producers in Iowa, because we can smell this pigshit all the way up here in Minnesota.
Grassley really tries to come on as this intelligent, experienced congresscritter.
Then he opens his mouth & removes all doubt…
July 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pmOff Topic Republic Party Lunacy:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pmSenator Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, has introducted legislation to ban human-animal hybrids. Link to the story:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/brownback-wants-creatures-to-remain-mythical/
The Republic Party in action! Protecting you from Mermaids, Minotaurs and Harpies, among other creatures!
““If the tax dollars do start going to fund abortions I am at this point going to refuse to pay my taxes,”
so sayeth the twit who in the next breath complains about his taxes being too high taking care of mothers on welfare.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
““If the tax dollars do start going to fund abortions I am at this point going to refuse to pay my taxes,”
so sayeth the twit who in the next breath complains about his taxes being too high taking care of mothers on welfare.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
More injustice foisted on responsible taxpayers to pay for the actions of irresponsible men.
Single women with children compose the fastest growing poverty group in the U.S. The feds spend $281B/year to care for the mothers and their children. Who in the federal government is doing anything to stop the massive number of illegitimate children being born? Most recent report has 40% of children being born out of wedlock. Obviously, the government schools sex education programs aren’t work. Must be something…something spiritual…missing from the government program.
Must be that “individual liberty” that we’ll all paying for. Could we fix it so that irresponsible men pay for their own “individual liberty?”
July 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pmI say go for it!! Stop paying taxes, then the IRS will put garnishments on their paychecks which their employers will have to abide by and these poor wingnuts will have no recourse.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:16 pmSo does bit support the withholding of taxes that would otherwise be used to support functions of the government to which one holds moral objections?
That is, after all, the topic of the post.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pmralph the wonder locust says:
So does bit support the withholding of taxes that would otherwise be used to support functions of the government to which one holds moral objections?
That is, after all, the topic of the post.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
bit supports justice for responsible citizens. bit supports promoting personal responsibility among all citizens.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pmspencer’s mom sez:
“Once you’re outta that vagina, it’s every baby for himself!”
That’s what I’ve been saying for years..They love the fetus, hate the child. Once they’re breathing on their own, they’re just a drain on the gubmint resources. Just ignore ‘em and they’ll eventually die off and that will be that. Fits great into the selfish, greedy conservative mantra, “I’ve got mine; you go get your own”.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pmProtesting Government Action by refusing to pay taxes has a long history. Anti-Viet Nam War protestors…Joan Baez probably being the most famous….paid only part of their income taxes, deleting the percentage that went to War and the Pentagon.
Ms. Baez received much Animosity from Right Wingers and the Pundits…but she stuck to her Guns (bad metaphor). The IRS just attached her earnings…so she never went to jail for it.
If this caller refuses to pay taxes…and is willing to suffer the consequences….then I’ll have to respect that decision.
Much more than I did the Prolifers who hustled their pregnant Daughters off to Sweden, before Roe V. Wade.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pmbit apparently doesn’t support giving answers to direct questions.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pmIt certainly isn’t evangelical Christians who demand schools teach abstinence instead of teaching traditional sex education.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:59 pmI don’t believe in war. Can I stop paying taxes?
July 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pmWho wrote the software for the vote up/vote down feature???
Diebold???
My ups are being turned into downs???
July 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI don’t know if you’re having the same problem as I’m having, but three or four times now I’ve hit the “Vote Down” button when I meant to hit the “Vote Up”. Was the old “Recommend” button red or something? Sometimes it feels like it, but I don’t recall clearly.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 pmThe “I don’t want to pay taxes for abortion because it violates my religion” crap is just that crap. I’ve heard it for years.
My response is, “Yeah, and I don’t want to pay taxes to fund factory farming and foreign wars and bloated military hardware production, but when you live in a republic you get stuck with sometimes paying for things you don’t approve of. Get over yourself.”
July 15th, 2009 at 6:14 pmRalph at #104,
I just voted your Comment UP…both Icons turned Grey…and it came up DOWN.
Something is Fishy. To many Sensible Posts are being voted Down.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pmAdvocating an American resident or citizen forgo paying taxes.Not paying taxes due,is that not criminal ?so aUS senator is advocating criminal behavior against the treasury of the US.The Repukes are looseing it folks,every one of ‘em are now stir carzy.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:16 pmbitblt says:
More injustice foisted on responsible taxpayers to pay for the actions of irresponsible men.
Single women with children compose the fastest growing poverty group in the U.S…….
Must be that “individual liberty” that we’ll all paying for. Could we fix it so that irresponsible men pay for their own “individual liberty?”
I know what conservatives are against but I can’t think of anything that they are for unless it means more money in their pocketbooks.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:19 pmProud says:
I love to see that another ignorant ProudMoron comment has gone swirling down the porcelain fixture where it belongs
July 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pmFirst, unless one is self-employed, it is nearly impossible to stop paying your taxes. An employer can get into trouble if they allow an employee to make frivolous changes to their W-4.
Second, if you think the IRS cares about your politics, think again. Saying that your not paying taxes to protest abortion just shows that you knew you had to file and willfully chose not to. That puts the failure to file in the criminal arena if the amount of tax owed is sufficiently large.
Third, even if not charged with a crime, you’re still going to pay your taxes. You’ll just do it the hard way instead of the legal way.
Bottom Line: Just pay your taxes and find another way to protest.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:26 pmMCMetal says:
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Typical GOP idiocy :
Funding abortions = Bad
Funding Illegal Invasions & Occupations = Good
These are the same morons who wonder what’s gone wrong in this country ………..
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Typical Liberal Idiocy
2 wrongs make a right.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pmbitblt says:
More injustice foisted on responsible taxpayers to pay for the actions of irresponsible men.
Single women with children compose the fastest growing poverty group in the U.S…….
Must be that “individual liberty” that we’ll all paying for. Could we fix it so that irresponsible men pay for their own “individual liberty?”
I know what conservatives are against but I can’t think of anything that they are for unless it means more money in their pocketbooks.
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It’s not more money “in” their pockets, it’s less money **taken** from their pockets, earned fair and square. A subtle difference.
Liberal supporters don’t mind unless it is someone else’s money.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:11 pmglogrrl says:
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spencer’s mom sez:
“Once you’re outta that vagina, it’s every baby for himself!”
That’s what I’ve been saying for years..They love the fetus, hate the child. Once they’re breathing on their own, they’re just a drain on the gubmint resources. Just ignore ‘em and they’ll eventually die off and that will be that. Fits great into the selfish, greedy conservative mantra, “I’ve got mine; you go get your own”.
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“They” you mean some straw figure? Most of those people you seem to believe are “they” love the fetus and love the child.
We teach our children to be responsible and learn to be strong individuals. If we gave them “candy” every time they cried we would not be good parents. We teach this so they can be self sufficient and not be dependent on others. I call this TOUGH LOVE. Caring is not teaching one to be a burden on others.
Hard to grasp concept?
Greed? It’s always greed when it’s someone else’s hard earned money being given up for those who have made poor choices in their life. Charity is different from forced collectivism.
What you call greed we call tough love. What do you call a person that DEMANDS that others pay their way instead of trying to improve one’s position in society through self improvement.
With the exception of the those that are truly disadvantaged due to physical and mental disabilities, the “have-nots” are really “will-nots”. Nothing wrong with a short term public system of unemployment or other assistance, however, a Nanny State only breeds irresposibility, laziness and lame excuses.
Stop being “victims” by blaming others for YOUR own induced misery.
Hope and Change is looking at you everyday in the mirror.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:38 pmWell, wouldn’t we all like to pick and choose where are tax dollars go. I resent my tax dollars going towards a unnecessary war. Oh, and abstinence programs.
July 16th, 2009 at 8:50 amJust another excuse to get the underwear of their poor, uneducated base in a wad, in the guise of a “Christian” issue, on behalf of the trump card that big business has become accustomed to—having control over the lives and deaths of employees and their children.
The GOP hates bargaining power.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:00 amThe First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” The First Amendment, however, does not provide a right to refuse to pay income taxes on religious or moral grounds, or because taxes are used to fund government programs opposed by the taxpayer.
http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc224375594
But by tarnation, I won’t pay fer no borshen! Mind you insurance companies do, and most people have insurance… humph!
July 16th, 2009 at 9:17 ammgparrish, you have the straw man.
If you’re railing against Joe Six-Pack or the church pot luck ladies being FORCED to help the less fortunate find work, housing, etc. so they can maybe kick into the economy… what about being forced to pay for $40,000 an HOUR jet fighters that aren’t even used in the theaters of war? Or giant bomber aircraft used for… defense. How is crushing a foreign city/target DEFENSE? Or government cotnracts to KBR… that have caused soldiers to DIE by electrocution due to wiring neglect?
Is our nation strong if 50 million or 100 million are much worse off (and still working to the bone if they can find a job)? The Fiscal Conservatives, most of them only writing or opining for their large pay, want to drown the government or deny unemployment that they didn’t even pay for. They don’t support actual people so much as an idea, the American Dream. But they’re in the 1950s and their “options” are working at McDonald’s (covers gas and food, already full of workers now), etc.
Now progressive and this web site do NOT equal Democratic party, but if some of the 20% chaff were voted out and the 20% very good public servants were bolstered, it would be a good center-right party by world standards.
I mean think about they’ve done (by majority, mostly) since 1992. Public option or single payer? No. Welfare cuts? Yes. Keeping tuition from exploding? No. Financial services “modernization”? Yes. Bailout? Yes.
When there’s a REAL national security concern, like WTC 1993 or Afghanistan after 9/11, or McVeigh, they prosecute or support military action.
It would be interesting to have a much more pacifist, share the wealth party (like what Christ says) but that is not yet a major, over 20% voting option. I know that the Republicans are trying to form an all orthodoxy party but most opponents aren’t.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:37 amOh look, now the republicans are trying to take away OUR right to chose, again.
July 16th, 2009 at 11:18 amDoes this mean that I don’t have to pay the 50% of my taxes that goes to the Pentagon because they are killing innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq?
July 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pmGuess that means I can withhold my taxes to stop the killing in Iraq and Afganistan.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThank you very much for this information ... By Limitsiz and WAP
July 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm