ThinkFast: July 15, 2009
ThinkFast: July 15, 2009
Last week, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she would be willing to campaign for conservative Democrats after she leaves office next month. But Politico reports that “she may not have many takers.” “Interviews with a number of the most conservative Democrats in the House and Senate induced an awkward, stare-at-your-shoes unease when the prospect of appearing with Palin was posed,” writes Jonathan Martin.
Palin is facing a new ethics complaint, “the 18th against her and the very thing that helped to prompt her resignation.” The complaint says Palin abused her office by “accepting a salary and using state staff while campaigning outside Alaska for the vice presidency.”
The Obama administration is firing back at Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) for calling for an end to economic stimulus spending. “The White House on Tuesday released letters from four cabinet secretaries to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, citing Kyl’s comments and outlining transportation, housing, Indian education and other projects in his home state they said would be eliminated if the senator has his way.”
Goldman Sachs Group, which had received $10 billion in the government bailout, “reported a record quarterly profit that topped expectations and underscored the speed with which the firm has rebounded from last year’s financial crisis.” “We’ve got millions of people with no jobs,” Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) said referring to Goldman’s $3.4 billion profit. “It just doesn’t make you feel too good, and it doesn’t make my constituents feel too good.”
President Obama said yesterday that he expects the unemployment rate, currently at 9.5 percent, “to keep worsening for a while as hiring lags behind other signs of economic recovery.” “How employment numbers are going to respond is not year clear,” he said, adding, “My expectation is that we will probably continue to see unemployment tick up for several months.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said yesterday that he fully supports repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. “We’re having trouble getting people into the military,” Reid said. “And I think that we shouldn’t turn down anybody that’s willing to fight for our country, certainly based on sexual orientation.” Reid also indicated his desire to move forward with the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
“The Episcopal Church has moved decisively closer to full acceptance of gay men and lesbians.” While one “key committee voted overwhelmingly Monday to start putting together blessings to be used in same-sex marriages,” the House of Bishops “voted by a wide margin to allow gays and lesbians to become bishops.” Both measures must now be approved by the church’s General Convention.
Obama has moved nuclear deterrence to the top of his national security agenda. “His view is: If this is the No. 1 threat that we face, we need to address it with urgency,” said Ben Rhodes, Obama’s chief national security speechwriter. “For nonproliferation to work, you have to do everything at once.”
President Obama traveled to Michigan yesterday — a state struggling with 14 percent unemployment — to unveil a new federal investment in community colleges. “His proposed American Graduation Initiative would pump $12 billion into community colleges and add 5 million new graduates by 2020.”
And finally: Sporting the jacket of his beloved White Sox, President Barack Obama threw out the first pitch at last night’s Major League Baseball All-Star game. Later, Obama visited the booth of the Fox broadcasters, who asked him why he was wearing a White Sox jacket. “I’m a White Sox fan and my wife thinks I look cute in this jacket so why not?” said the president. Sportscaster Tim McCarver asked Obama if there’s a “bailout plan for the National League,” who hasn’t won the All-Star game in 13 years. “No,” said the president, “we’re out of money.”
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“Palin is facing a new ethics complaint, “the 18th against her and the very thing that helped to prompt her resignation.”
hot damn, i do believe cut n’ run barbie set a new record, roughly one ethics violation allegation per month for every month she was in office before she quit.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:07 amThe Episcopal Church has moved decisively closer to full acceptance of gay men and lesbians…Both measures must now be approved by the church’s General Convention.
There’s the issue that has held up other denominations in the past – Methodists in particular. Left to the General Convention, these progressive movements had been repeatedly voted down. Let’s hope this time the General Conference votes to approve these measures.
Not that I’m going to rush out and join the Episcopal Church – but it will be wonderful for all who want this for their own lives. After all, isn’t what this is really about? Having the rights to live and love as we each see fit?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:07 amBozo The Neoclown says:
hot damn, i do believe cut n’ run barbie set a new record, roughly one ethics violation allegation per month for every month she was in office before she quit.
And of those 18, how many of them were actually lodged my those pesky Democrats, as she alleges?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:10 amI wonder what the asking price for a Sarah Palin appearance is these days.
Do I hear six figures?
“Greed Is Good” – Gordon Gecko
July 15th, 2009 at 9:10 amOr is this $3.4 billion profit really just taxpayer dollars that Goldman Sachs couldn’t find a way to expense out in bonuses for top execs?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:11 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
‘The Norm’ Coleman just had to send Senator Al Franken a check for $96,000.00 to cover Mr. Franken’s legal fees for the costs of appealing to the MN Supreme Court.
Ironically, that’s the same amount Senator John ‘my parents paid off my mistress’ family’ Ensign paid to keep his affair quiet.
Ensign will run again, because he going to ‘earn the respect back’ of his supporters.
Norm? Not so much…
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 amI wonder what the asking price for a Sarah Palin appearance is these days.
Do I hear six figures?
I hear 36-22-32.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am“Last week, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she would be willing to campaign for conservative Democrats after she leaves office next month.”
will she whore her kids out too for conservative democrats like she did in her vice presidency bid?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 amBefore this thread becomes infested with Exley-esque trolls claiming differently than what was actually heard, yes, there were SOME boos when PRESIDENT Obama walked the field. The question is, where they booing because of political reasons, or where they booing because he was wearing a White Sox sports jacket, in a National League stadium? My money’s on the latter.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 amBesides, the reign of cheers and support far outweighed the minimal jeers.
And who friggin’ cool is it to have a president that dresses casual, who show his true allegiance no matter what venue, and who can spontaneously joke on the air?
Pretty friggin’ cool, I think!!!
Last week, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she would be willing to campaign for conservative Democrats after she leaves office next month. But Politico reports that “she may not have many takers.”
Due to the chilly response from conservative Democrats, Palin said would be willing to campaign for stupid Democrats after she leaves office next month.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:17 amLack of sleep strikes again.
Many comical errors in my above post at #10.
Where=were.
Who=how.
My apologies.
Caffeine, do you duty!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:18 amThat pretty much covers all of your posts.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:19 amGod, I am sick to death of rich old white male racists whining that no one will let them act like bigots.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:23 amGraham did a good job of highlighting that he whined incessantly yesterday.
There. Fixed it for ya.
What you failed to include was how eloquently she responded to his attempts to pillory her, or how he tried to make himself appear the victim.
And you know what Limply Graham earned? A lovely Fail.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:23 amIt’s good to see Senator Reid finally starting to address the evangelical-inspired foolishness known as Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
Can we please start removing this religious dogma cancer from our civil society?
Religion is a private matter, and it must remain so.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:24 amMeanwhile, Fox & Friends did an in-depth comparison of GDumbya’s and President Obama’s opening pitches from the World Series. As typical of their trite, irrelevant and juvenile analysis, they concluded that President Obama “hit the dirt” while GDumbya “threw a strike”.
Their metaphors are interesting although they were misapplied. On the important responsibilities of the office, GDumbya did nothing but “hit the dirt” and “throw strikes”.
I am constantly amazed that anyone takes FoxSnooze seriously as a journalistic enterprise. I watch them once in awhile for two reasons: (1) sheer amusement value and (2) to listen for “catch phrases” that will show up in my normal daily conversations with other people (this enables me to quickly identify the brain-dead Fox viewers and immediately dismiss them and their opinions because they have none).
July 15th, 2009 at 9:27 amI think it is covered under patient-doctor privilege. Else all mental conditions would be fodder for politics. That is, assuming the afflicted is getting treatment for their religious condition.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:27 amUltimate Anonymity?
Like when your post done get raptured?
That, to me, is ANONYMITY at it’s ULTIMATE!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:27 ammeanwhile, evangelical christians are infiltrating the Episcopalian, Methodist and Presbyterian denominations. They seek to gain control of those major denominations and interject thier social conservative agenda into those mainstream churches. Barring that, they seek to strip away local congregations and take church property with them. This has led to several schisms and costly court battles.
The evangelical christian push back against tolerance and acceptance is very real and very divisive.
Should the Episcopalian Church vote to sanction same gender marriage, it would lend a powerful new argument for legalization of such unions: the separation of church and state doctrine implicit in the First Amendment. If marriages performed by one religion are disfavored by the state, while marriages performed by other religions are sanctioned by the state, the separation of church and state doctrine is violated. Laws that prohibit same-gender marriages violate the First Amendment, in addition to the 14th Amendment.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:29 amThe green shoots of recovery are in plain sight. Last month was the second straight month where consumer spending increased. About 10 days ago we learned that in May our trade deficit was the smallest it has been since November, 1999. Even the pace of unemployment has slowed. So why all of the hand-wringing. Things are on track, but it will take time. We have, after all, been in recession since December 2007.
Normally, recessions happen because of inventory build-up where companies cut their work force until the surplus inventory is sold. This usually takes a year or less. This recession started because of turmoil in the financial markets, unlike anything we have seen since 1929. This type of slump is much more protracted and requires heavy government involvement to prevent a full-blown depression. Frankly, it is remarkable that we have been able to avoid even more severe damage to the economy. I say let the recovery flurish. It is time to rejoice rather than badmouth.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:31 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I didn’t see it, but the Chicago Sun-times reported something quite different:
The lanky left-hander, who had promised to warm up so he wouldn’t embarrass himself, jogged to the mound and went through a windup before delivering a low strike to Pujols. Seeing that the ball made it without a hop, Obama gave a fist pump before jogging toward the plate to hug Pujols.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1666433,CST-SPT-sside15.article
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am“Meanwhile, Fox & Friends did an in-depth comparison of GDumbya’s and President Obama’s opening pitches from the World Series”
did they feature the world series 43 got booed at?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 amThe holy roller dominionists have already taken over the U.S. Air Force Academy, as well as much of the U.S. Air Force.
Many of their military veteran adherents are now serving in police departments all over this nation, responsible for so many taserings and beatings of people already physically restrained in custody.
This evangelical cancer must be recognized and treated.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:33 amI see backup is supporting the racist Republican caucus these days. I guess he’s got to put on his white hood and go to a meeting.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:35 amShoeless, he’s probably headed over to the Freepers Creepers site, for the daily dose of Soylent Green.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:36 amSen,Kyl needs more and more low income,uneducated people that will vote for him in his next reelection.If he is so worried about fiscal responsibilities where was his outrage over invading Iraq and the billions spent on an illegal invasion and ensuing WAR,HYPOCRITES on the REICH each and everyone of them.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:38 amI still remember that hypocrite Kyl all over the news channels six years, ardently selling the Iraq invasion as crucial to our nation’s security.
That man is a monstrous liar.
He seems to have no problem with the 4 trillion or so already pissed away for that Iraq catastrophe, the sole achievement of which has been the establishment of yet another Islamic theocracy.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:40 amI think the new Republican strategy is to get Palin to campaign for Democrats in hopes they will be defeated in the upcoming elections.
It sure worked good when she was campaigning for Republicans.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:51 amI can’t imagine why anyone, let alone a conservative Democrat, would want Sarah Palin to campaign for them. Well, I do understand why, racist perverts will give you money to see her speak.
But, I am struck by the notion that there are conservative Democrats. Can you imagine someone being described as a liberal Republican?! Not going to happen.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:51 amThis morning on fox&clowns they had the breaking news about the airliner that went down in Iran. Right away Doocey brings up the fact that Iran will blame the US because of the embargo`s that we placed on them. Its the US fault that they cant get replacement parts for their aircraft. 168 people just lost their lives and Doocey brings politics into it. I was thinking how shameful it is that commercial airline company`s in the US dont do proper maintenance so they can save a few bucks.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:53 amBriseadh na Faire, Goldman Sachs set aside $6.65 billion in compensation in the second quarter. That’s nearly double their quarterly profit.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:54 amThe news about the Episcopal Church is certainly good. Now, at what point are the federal and state governments going to step aside and allow the churches that do marry same-sex couples to practice their religion without interference by Washington bureaucrats?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:54 amAs well they should, Dr. Matt. Make an example of the bastard – “Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the face of today’s traitor.”
And it was hilfcukinglarious watching gobosnot try to defend the treasonous behavior last night, only to have each and every post voted down.
PEACE
July 15th, 2009 at 9:59 amLast week, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she would be willing to whore herself out for conservative talk shows after she leaves office next month. But Politico reports that “she may not have many takers.” “Interviews with a number of the most conservative talk shows induced an awkward, barf-in-your-shoes upheaval when the prospect of hosting a show with Palin was posed,”
July 15th, 2009 at 10:03 amMaybe Palin’s plan to get wealthy is to have candidates to pay her NOT to campaign for them….???
July 15th, 2009 at 10:03 amIf we had not fecklessly, illegally and unnecessarily invaded Iraq, how much money would be available today for health care?
If Bush had not fecklessly and unnecessarily given away the government surplus to the wealthiest in America, how much money would be available for the middle class today?
It does no good to think in “what ifs” but considering the depth of the abyss the nation is in today, it’s really hard not to look at the source and determine never to repeat those egregious errors again, and that starts with never
July 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am(s)electing a president.
P.S. That picture is worth 10,000 mooseheads.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:06 amGood morning, campers
From yesterday(after I was gone for the day)
Birther soldier refuses deployment
(5 will get you 10 that he would gladly deploy if chimpy was still in charge)
US Army Major Stefan f. Cook, here is something I was told when I was in the service.
Yours is NOT to reason why, but TO DO AND DIE!”
July 15th, 2009 at 10:07 amThere’s a post of jimmcduch’s Privacy Center in the thread of Sotomayor under this one in need of some thumbs down. Thanks.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:08 amAh, btw, d0uche is the new anal-
July 15th, 2009 at 10:10 amUncle Ho says:
Good morning, campers
From yesterday(after I was gone for the day)
Birther soldier refuses deployment
(5 will get you 10 that he would gladly deploy if chimpy was still in charge)
US Army Major Stefan f. Cook, here is something I was told when I was in the service.
Yours is NOT to reason why, but TO DO AND DIE!”
July 15th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I find highly ironic that a non-drafted, major, alleges “conscious objection” to serve.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:12 amI got my Time magazine in the mail yesterday,Sarah Palin is on the cover. What a freakin treat.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:12 amCrooks and Liars is having a live chat with Nancy Pelosi @ 1:30 EST today in case anyone is interested.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:13 amoy… slept late on this rainy morning… but mostly because a
S P L I T T I N G headache woke me at 4am… wth?
but this:
an awkward, stare-at-your-shoes unease when the prospect
of appearing with Palin was posed,”
that just means they are actually considering it, but not sue
how to admit it…
betcha.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:27 amThe Obama administration is firing back at Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
[...] letters from four cabinet secretaries to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, citing Kyl’s comments
and published in arizona newspapers, i hope… the people should know…
July 15th, 2009 at 10:32 amRUCeriousMaggot! says:
“P.S. That picture is worth 10,000 mooseheads.”
Appears she’s pursuing a new career, or should i say job?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:33 amI’m sorry blotchdog, but unless you can actually defend and debate your “copied” right wing talking points, I (and others) will vote you down each and every time.
Now, if you would like to take each “link”, and argue it’s point intelligently and with merit, I would look forward to the interaction (debate) and would actually recommend your posts.
Sound like a deal?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:34 amIf yes, cool.
If not, Buh-Bye!!!
as keith said, her new job is SHILL for oil companies…
July 15th, 2009 at 10:34 amEvil Spaniard:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:35 amabout the privacy center on the previous thread, consider it done.
That picture of Caribou Barbie illustrates rather metaphorically the use to which most middle-aged overweight repiggie men would put her.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:37 amRUCeriousMaggot! says:
P.S. That picture is worth 10,000 mooseheads.
Dayum. That’s a lot of beer, even by Alaskan standards!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am:-)
watchdog says:
Your not concerned with debate buddy. You just want proof that the indoctrination you have been fed is justified and legitimate. And this site, like a drug helps reinforce that
Irony abounds. You’ve never even attempted a “debate”, doggie. But you’ve perfectly described the FoxNews audience.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:45 amAnd this site, like a drug helps reinforce that.
Actually, seeing people who disagree with our views soiling themselves and shrieking about Obama’s Secret Birth Certificate(tm) helps reinforce them. So thanks for taking the time to post!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:45 amConservative Democrats agree to let Srah Palin campaign for them. But she has to do what they say.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:45 amThanks blotchdog, for reinforcing the truth that you’re not here to debate.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:46 amI kindly asked that you take each right wing talking point, and defend it against the opposition. You didn’t. You refused. In my book, that makes you a poor loser, and a coward.
Either step up to the plate, or…
Buh-Bye!!!
watchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:46 amMay I ask why you seem to feel that your worldview is somehow the result of some higher level critical thinking but that of others is the result of indoctrination? How can that be? Is it equally probably if not more so that you have in fact been indoctrinated? Right leaning dad and grandpa perhaps….
Purely for the sake of argument, watchdog, let’s say this statement of yours were true. How is it that you are helping us fight this “drug?” By letting us know how deeply you hate liberal on a daily basis? Do you think that’s the best way to successfully convert anyone to your views? Have you had many successes so far?
Is it possible you’re just posting for yourself? To make yourself feel a little less bad?
Look, I can understand if you’re feeling frightened about the future, but trolling a blue blog isn’t going to accomplish any of your political or personal goals.
Maybe take a moment and reassess what you’re hoping to accomplish and why.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:51 amVoting Troglodytes off the island is cool.
Letting the bloggers vote instead of moderators ‘pulling’ posts is not only democratic, it’s driving the Trolls crazier.
Thanks, TP!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:52 amWonkRoom cites the negative impact of millions in lobbying by Boeing and Lockheed Martin on the F-22 programs. They failed to note the Blue lobbyists on their payroll. Totals for the two firms show:
Podesta Group $110,000
July 15th, 2009 at 10:53 amGephardt Group $110,000
Heather Podesta $80,000
watchdog
July 15th, 2009 at 10:59 amSo how does that answer my question? Do you understand what a liberal arts education is and how the idea of educating the citizens this way evolved and why?
watchdog says:
A lot of my friends are the result of liberal art colleges (SCAD). I have multiple lawyers in my family that are extremely liberal with the exception of one.
And do you use the same “debating” techniques with them that you use here? If so, what is their response?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:00 amSo how is trolling here is going to make the lawyers in your family less liberal?
In other words, instead of subjecting TP posters to whatever it is you’re outraged about, why not simply cut out the middle man and talk to your family directly?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:01 amI have posted comments on the Freeper site in the past, only to be immediately scrubbed and eventually banned. Mine were the only comments without any obscenities.
The “Christians” on the Freeper site are raging, obscenity-hurling wraiths.
The whole idea of Jesus is a polar opposite of that dogmatic bunch of psychos.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:01 amRe 71: Hey folks, Watchdog responded to a question with a real answer there, please don’t vote that comment off the island out of habit, or because we can. Let this dog bark.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:01 amAnd your constant posting of propaganda reinforces how much I detest groveling, fascist, authoritarian, racist, right-wing Republican, hive-mind, reactionary, dumbass redneck, fundamentalist, trailer park white trash.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:05 amWith all repsect Bobwurst, I don’t see how the question regarding confidence that others have been indoctrinated but not watchdog was answered at all. Still I agree let’s give em a chance…Wanna try again watchdog?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:05 amMangy curr is upset that his “friends” got a “liberal” arts education, whereas he thinks they should have gotten a “conservative” arts edukashun.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am“…induced an awkward, stare-at-your-shoes unease when the prospect of appearing with Palin was posed,”
They were staring at their shoes in order to keep from bursting out laughing.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:09 amdbadass says:
With all repsect Bobwurst, I don’t see how the question regarding confidence that others have been indoctrinated but not watchdog was answered at all. Still I agree let’s give em a chance…Wanna try again watchdog?
I didn’t say it was a good answer…but it was an attempt at a direct response instead of a canned talking point, and that is progress. Baby steps, baby steps…
July 15th, 2009 at 11:09 amWell, I agree that the partisan divide is pretty big these days, and I think both parties can be blamed for that, though we might disagree about which is more culpable.
But what you’re describing is the actions of a lurker. I’m a lurker on red blogs every now and again to see what they’re posting about and if there’s something I can learn. So I read littlegreenfootballs or townhall, etc. and I find it interesting.
What I don’t do is troll the red blogs. I don’t go where they are and subject them to off-topic posts, I don’t try to rile them up, etc.
But here you are, trolling away, expressing hate for liberals. So, okay, you hate liberals. Got it. Anything else?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:13 amHey watchdog, you’ve been given a chance here, step up. I don’t want to get in trouble with the ruling clique here and get my Soros account frozen, I have a Prius payment due this week…
July 15th, 2009 at 11:15 amwatchdog
July 15th, 2009 at 11:17 amBefore I ask you to justify that response and explain how and why you feel that occurred could you please just tell me how you are sure that others have been indoctrinated but not you? What factors gave rise to your alledged unindoctrinated vision? From whence to it arise.
Thanks. I really appreciate it. Metacognition is an importance piece of “knowing”…
The only possible near-equivalent of a liberal arts education for a right-winger is the tortured attempt to wed the writings of Ayn Rand to the Bible.
What one winds up with is representative of neither.
Have you ever noticed how many right-wing accountants and real estate agents
and insurance executives seem to have all these degrees and certificates, but can’t begin to tell you where Tanzania is, or what form of government is found in the nation of India? They have never read Thoreau, let alone being able to place him in history.
They haven’t a clue about Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Kierkegaard and Rousseau.
They accept all the right-wing reinvention of the American historical experience
July 15th, 2009 at 11:17 ambecause they don’t know a damned thing about it.
It’s called learning. You should try it sometime.
Oh, what am I saying/
July 15th, 2009 at 11:18 amSEN. GRAHAM: “… that some people deserve a second chance when they misspeak and you would look at the entire life story to determine whether this is an aberration or just a reflection of your real soul.”
The problem is… that you think a white male just misspeaks when he makes a racist or misogynistic comment, but sometimes he is actually showing his true self and the rest has just just been a facade.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:21 amOkay, so let me see if I understand.
You had friends that used to be more conservative, but they went to college and became more liberal, and you’re angry about that. Right?
And instead of respecting their choices or arguing with them directly about why conservatism would be better, you’ve decided to come here and vent your unhappiness at strangers who are minding their own business talking with each other about the issues?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:21 amHe’s mad because his family and friends aren’t interested in alternate reality.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:23 amLet’s face it.
People that watch FoxNews are really tacky people, as well as lazy.
Visually, that network is a monument to repiggie bad taste.
It’s the televised equivalent of the McMansion, with certain details magnified way out of scale and proportion, accompanied by so much faux junk posturing as good taste.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:26 amWatchdog, claiming you have liberal friends is a lot like a racist claiming he has black friends. How do you talk to your liberal friends? do you merely reguritate rush’s talking points or do you engage in an actual give and take discussion?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:26 amYou mean to tell us that all of your friends got degrees in graphic design?
Anyway, you’ve just shown that you have no idea what is involved in an education in liberal arts. It is designed to be a balanced education which encompasses many fields of learning.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:27 amHey, I have spent more time and continue to spend more time in post secondary classrooms than most and i make zillions of typos. Let’s give watchdog the chance to reflect upon their assumptions…
July 15th, 2009 at 11:27 amwatchdog
After the liberal arts education political activism followed suite where as before these individuals had a mild appetite for politics.
No, I think that you have that wrong. After a healthy middle class developed in this country political activism followed suit. People who worked 12 hour days to feed their family hardly had time to be politically active. They only had time to work, eat, shower, and sleep. Why do you think that Republicans work so hard to destroy the middle class? Poor people in a poor economy with high unemployment who fear for their jobs don’t have time to be politically active. It has nothing to do with a liberal arts education.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:28 amThey are just trying to bring you out of alternate reality into the real world. I’m sure that is very scary for you.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:28 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Heh! The secret’s out. The remaining knuckle-draggers of the GOP are anti-intellectual for a reason. People with critical thinking skills have all realized the Reichwhiners are flat out wrong.
And, while the stupid trolls whine about kids being taught to be liberal in the liberal arts, they should ponder the fact that only 6% of scientists are Republicans and the true implication of that fact. Though there’s no way a stupid troll will arrive at the correct conclusion from the linked story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html
July 15th, 2009 at 11:29 amYour sarcasm wounds me. Well, not really, but we can pretend that it did.
Anyway, since you’ve thought of it before, why not speak to them instead of us?
If it’s because you’re estranged from members of your family, I’d suggest that life’s too short for that and you really ought to do something about it.
You don’t want to be near the end of your life, wishing you could have used your time better. And really, whatever your situation is, I’m sure the time you’re putting in here could serve you better if you tried something new.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:30 amWatchdog, “Liberal Arts” isn’t like Alchemy, or the “Satanic Arts” It’s about ideas, about reading, and disucssing what you read with other students and teachers who’ve read the same things and looking for broader meanings, meanings that transcend eras and communities and belief systems. You should try it.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:32 amhey watchdog, riddle me this:
if a liberal arts education creates liberals, why haven’t the uneducated cancervative bobblyheads such as tub-o-lard lintballs screaming for a cancervative arts program?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:32 amOkay, watchdog, I think we’re getting somewhere.
You don’t like it when your family members “shove their views down my throat like it’s a religion or something with the persistence of an evangelical.”
And yet, here you are on a blue blog, effectively trying to shove your conservative views down everyone’s throat.
You don’t like it when it happens to you, but you like it when you do it to someone else.
Is that who you really want to be?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:33 amBobwurst says:
“Watchdog, “Liberal Arts” isn’t like Alchemy, or the “Satanic Arts” It’s about ideas, about reading, and disucssing what you read with other students”
all three of which are anathemas to cancervatives. they need a dumb electorate who likes to believe and do what they’re told otherwise, they’d never win elections.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:34 amSounds to me like he tried to regurgitate his Republican talking points and got shot down by his more intelligent family and friends.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:35 amwatchdog says: shoving their views down my throat like it’s a religion
So, you seem at some level to recognize that organized religion in this country often tries to shove their views down Americans throats (i.e. opposition to gay marriage, blue laws, mislabeling Muslims). Progress.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:36 amMost Liberal Arts Colleges have been around for over a hundred years. They were originally for the children of the elites. It wasn’t until the land grant colleges camei into existence in the early 1900’s that us regular folks had any access to college at all, and it wasn’t until the GI’s from WWII came home that college became the norm at all. It wasn’t until the mid 1960’s that we had community colleges.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:37 amwatchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:37 amCome on my man do me a solid and share with me where your worldview arose from. Come on have confidence show me you haven’t been indoctrinated….
You’re here almost 7 days a week shoving your views down our throats with the persistence of an evangelical.
PROJECTION?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:38 amHas anyone noticed that backup has come out as an unabashed racist? He’s freaking out that a brown woman will sit on the bench of the Supreme Court.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:39 ampete. If 6% of scientists are conservative and 52% are liberal could you see why some conservatives may question the objectivity of the scientists that are weighing in on the arguably liberal promotion of manmade climate change?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:40 amshoeless. I came out initially and said that Sotomayor should be confirmed. I have never changed that position.
If you can find a post of mine to the contrary, you should paste it.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:42 amwatchdog, “liberal arts” means taking courses that do not directly relate to your chosen career’s knowledge and skill base but are meant to help you become more well-rounded. “Liberal arts” programs encourage biology students to take music appreciation classes and music majors to take a business management class, for example.
If you aren’t aware of this, then perhaps you lack the knowledge to comment rationally on educational issues. (notes to self: avoid the snark, be nice, stop now)
July 15th, 2009 at 11:42 amPerhaps what watchdog is afraid of is that women tend to be more liberal than men in general. And these days, more women are getting college degrees than men. Before Title IX* allowed women to actually be admitted to medical school and law school, the only people getting degrees were mostly white males. Now? White males have competition from women and other minorities. They need someone to blame, so they blame liberal education. And who does the most railing? Rush, Sean, Glen and Michael Savage. All white males.
Just a thought.
* contrary to popular belief, Title IX was about more than women and girls having more access to organized sports in school.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:43 amThe 6% of scientists who are conservative work for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Exxon, the American Petroleum Institute, ect. The are merely whores for the multinational corporations.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:45 amWhen you heap praise on the racist hicks in Congress for their blatant bigotry, I get a little suspicious.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:47 ambackup says:
they should ponder the fact that only 6% of scientists are Republicans and the true implication of that fact.
pete. If 6% of scientists are conservative and 52% are liberal could you see why some conservatives may question the objectivity of the scientists that are weighing in on the arguably liberal promotion of manmade climate change?
Dude, using your logic here you should be decrying gravity as a liberal conspiracy. After all it’s supported by all those liberal scientists…
Have you ever considered that it’s not liberals making science bend to their will, but it’s science that convinces people that they should be liberal?
And what do you think the percentage of businessmen, and women are that are conservative vs liberal?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:48 amwatchdog, I don’t ever recall you explicitly stating your opposition to accomodation of church and state, either. But to be fair, I probably should say that I haven’t seen you post a cut-and-paste of someone else’s opposition to accomodation of church and state.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:49 amWow, backup is having a bad day. First he comes out as an overt racist, and now proclaims that he is ardently anti-science.
Looks like somebody’s mask fell off.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:52 amIf 6% of scientists are conservative and 52% are liberal could you see why some conservatives may question the objectivity of the scientists that are weighing in on the arguably liberal promotion of manmade climate change?
No, because they’re attempting to make political hay out of scientific research. Conservatives pick and choose which things to believe in, according to their authorities, who are religious zealots.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:57 amAs I see it, backup, it shows that people who reject delusions see through the veils that hide the bloated corpse of what was once American conservatism. The GOP brand is spoiled and any realist can see it.
But then again, the modern GOP thrive on self-delusion. How else could one explain the bizarre insistence that being rejected by the best minds among us means that there’s a flaw or bias in education. There’s a term for times when the best minds are ignored or condemned: Dark Age.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:58 amwatchdog, why do you believe in treating us exactly the way you don’t like to be treated by your family/friends?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:59 amWho wants to take my bet that watchdog’s band never played any original material?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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dbadass says:
watchdog:
May I ask why you seem to feel that your worldview is somehow the result of some higher level critical thinking but that of others is the result of indoctrination? How can that be? Is it equally probably if not more so that you have in fact been indoctrinated? Right leaning dad and grandpa perhaps….
July 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am
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It is interesting how those at each extreme accuse the other of being indoctrinated or “regurgitating talking points,” but claim that they arrived at their position through thoughtful consideration of the issues.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:06 pm105- backup says:
Why?
You’re comparing apples and oranges. The children who were banned from using the swimming pool at the club were innocent victims of racial discrimination.
The club has conceded that they were asked to leave because of the color of their skin. The spokesperson for the club claimed that having a large number of AA children use the pool would, ” change the complexion of the club”
The incident in Ohio does not involve institutionalized racism. The article in your link is one sided and does not provide a statement from any of the alleged assailants or the “gang of 50 AA youths”
Is it not possible that both sides in your example used racial taunts? Have you even considered it possible that the whites objected to having a large group of AA youth walking through their neighborhood after the fireworks and the victim may have made a comment that helped precipitate the incident?
Backup, do you remember defending the “watermelon postcard? On that thread you defended the indefensible for hours and made several dozen comments, without ever once conceding an inch.
You Sir, are a racist!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pmBeside the point that the stupid troll doesn’t impress me as someone who could get along in a band, there’s no way someone so utterly ignorant of the World spent most of his life “traveling around the world”.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pmHow so? No matter how much you “express opposition” here, your liberal family/friends aren’t going to be effected by it. It’s just us posters.
After all, no one here is trolling you, are they?
You don’t like that your family/friends shove their liberal ideas down your throat, so you come here to try to shove conservative ideas down the throats of people who are just minding their business talking about the issues.
Sound right to you?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pmwatchdog says:
Trollspotter says
watchdog, why do you believe in treating us exactly the way you don’t like to be treated by your family/friends
This seems like a good forum to express opposition.
Wonder how far we’d get on a right wing blog?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pmwatchdog, congratulations. So, how about giving TP some original commentary and drop the cut-and-past routine?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pmwatchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:10 pmHow in the hell does playing in a band and being a drum rep play out to be some sort of politically astute free thinker who claims that those who think differently are indoctrinated nonthinkers. Come on my friend you can do better or are you acknowledging that you have been played by a deeper thinker…
backup says:
Although the racism of the Valley Swim Club rightfully got extensive national news coverage (and calls for congressional inquiry) for denying the black youths admittance, I don’t recall any significant coverage of this more troubling incident. Why?
I think the so-called Liberal Media looks for whatever news will bring more audience to their networks, regardless of race. Just remember all the “Missing White Girl” cases showing up all over the networks these past years.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pmYou only consider the views of scientists who are paid by the fossil fuel indusrty. They are the only scientists who deny man’s role in global warming. I don’t suppose you consider them to be biased when they are cashing their paychecks from Exoon/Mobil.
BTW, the great majority of these “scientists” paid by the fossil fuel industry to deny global warming are scientists in fields that have nothing to do with climatology.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pmI know from first hand experience that you would only last one or two posts and about 1/2 hour before being banned.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pmI don’t want to think
July 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pmI just want to bang on this drum all day
That’s true, shoeless, but only part of it. Scientists are taught to reach conclusions based on demonstrable fact. The facts show, overwhelmingly, that the GOP has become an extremist group.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pmWatchdog keep trying!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pmLiberal is not evil
Expand your senses…
They are the kids who were sleeping in the back row when they were teaching us scientific method in the 8th grade.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pmmangy cur says:
You were in a band and turned down a record contract about as much as I was Mother Superior in a Convent.
i.e.: NEVER HAPPENED
July 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pmThen why do you only hate liberals?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pmbackup says:
shoeless. I’m not anti-science. But, I make the point that, just like anyone, scientists are imperfect and susceptible to their own biases.
In the same way a seemingly objective statistic can be the product of a biased question or biased focus; a seemingly objective experiment or study can be the product of a biased presumption, focus or choice of initial hypothesis.
You misunderstand the nature of science and the scientific method. Experiments of one type or another may by itself be skewed to a particular result. However, in order to become conventional wisdom, it the experiments are peer reviewed and viewed critically and have to be able to be replicated in many ways. Larger sample groups.
The climate change observations/experiments/modeling have been going on for some time now…. well over 25 years now since I first heard the deniers claims…
Does this mean that scientists can’t be wrong? No, but until some type of observation or experiment indicates otherwise to change the direction or the hypothesis. In this way Science has its own sort of Checks and balances. In the subject of Climate Change, the scientists that deny it have not shown any experiments that prove it isn’t happening that can or have be reproduced or properly peer reviewed.
The Scientists that deny it are usually put forth by the oil companies and others that have a vested monetary interest in keeping us headed down the same energy path. What vested interest do you think Environmental scientists engage in?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pmbackup, like all anti-science right-wingers, labors under the mistaken impression that science is just someone’s baseless opinion.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pmOnly those who are easily manipulated and indoctrinated assume that everyone else is too. The least easily manipulated and indoctrinated people among us, scientists, reject the GOP by a 94% to 6% margin. No wonder the poor GOoPers hate science. It’s because scientists see them for what they are.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pmThat is why scientific papers are subject to peer review.
Your sources are not peer reviewed but rather come from sources who are paid by special interests.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pmY’all have probably already dealt with this, but I’m just shaking my head over the fact that the watchpuppy seems to believe that exposure to a “liberal arts” education somehow indoctrinates people into being liberals. Oy….
From personal observations, I’d say simply getting a decent education makes people more liberal.
No wonder the Cons would like to get rid of “government schools.”
July 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pmZooey: “…No wonder the Cons would like to get rid of “government schools.”
And not to mention, that until they can get rid of them totally, they invade the school boards and make them teach Creationism in the Science Classes. Or at least attempt to until there is push back.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pmwatchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pmI don’t mean to be a nag but this has been going on for sometime now and you still have not explained how you are sure that you have not been indoctrinated but that others have been. Do I have to call bullshit on the whole deal or what? I am trying to offer you a forum to convince others of your words yet you are droppin the bal
If liberal arts ed. makes one a liberal. Does a degree in ciminology make one a criminal, a degree in psychology make one psychotic? Gee, I’m wondering what kind of degree would make you a conservative. One from Yale maybe?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pmSince we are talking a little about science… a subject near and dear to my heart —I would like to state for the record that “political science” is a HUGE misnomer. :)
July 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pmSeriously, LibertyLover.
If medicine is called the “medical arts,” then political science would more properly be called “political arts.”
Or “political games.”
July 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pmBTW, I’m not in junior high anymore, but that picture of Quitter Palin makes me giggle. ;)
July 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pmI’d like to ask watchdog and backup…. What exactly do you fear from liberals?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm160
db, I have a hunch that puppy isn’t a specific person, but rather it is a means of the daily delivery of links that were specifically chosen to appear on TP by our good friends at Troll Central.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pmMaybe one night at the Zoo I will show you something I accidentally received in my mailbox, courtesy of one of Troll Central’s minions.
Zooey, I didn’t really look at it until just now… LOL. That is kinda funny.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pmLibertyLover says:
“I’d like to ask watchdog and backup…. What exactly do you fear from liberals?”
The knowledge he’s been lied to all his life.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:47 pmZooey says:
If medicine is called the “medical arts,” then political science would more properly be called “political arts.”
Or “political games.”
Well, then there are the theater arts… so PS could conceivably be considered Political Theater…
July 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pmWatchdog,
When you see the truth, what color glasses are you using?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:52 pmHow many liberals do you ever hear about, going in and shooting people to death, or stabbing them to death, over ideology?
It just doesn’t happen.
“Conservatives” pull this stuff constantly, and then try to fall back on certain “liberal” ideas to justify their own murderous behavior.
How many liberals have tried to kill Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, Randall Terry etc.?
It just doesn’t happen.
The education level is so much higher, as is the appreciation for the variety and richness of life and the human experience. I know quite a number of liberals who are not college graduates, but who have continued to learn, to read and to grow throughout their lives. Their education level is so much higher than the repiggie with an undergraduate degree in Business who has never cracked a book, but who is full of blatant lies fed into him/her by the right-wing slime
July 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pmmachine.
I have another question for watchdog: You play in a band. Do you not belong to some musicians UNION that is designed to protect you from the big corporate business practices? If so, then how is it not a good thing for unions to have some sort of collective bargaining options than a single person would not be able to have by themselves. If you don’t belong to a union, then why not?
You say you’ve started a business. Presumably related to drums, since you were a drum rep. So now you have to pay employees and taxes… is that why you are now a republican? Because you think that taxes are taking too much out of your profits? I’m really interested.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pmRich, they themselves are obviously not aware of why they hate liberals. As you’ve seen from watchdog, when pressed, they cannot explain their hatred of us. I think it has to do with their authoritarian upbringing. Many are obviously abused by domineering parents. Thus, They learn self-loathing and total submission to authority. They see liberals as dangerously undisciplined loose cannons, whose desire for progress and change will destroy their crystalized world view. Also, they detest us for not bending to the will of their right-wing authorities, as they were taught to do. To them we are incomprehensible and dangerous.
They are sheep, and we are cats.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pmWatchdog,
I’d have to disagree. Liberals views are based mostly in reality, even the reality that we don’t know all we should. But in seeking what we don’t know we’ll keep progressing and become better for it.
All I hear from conservatives are various ways to demonize certain groups of people and their ideas.
That’s not a way to progress or grow. The entire history of man is one of exploration. Of looking into new ideas and territories where one had never traveled before.
The conservative world view is one of stagnation and demonization. Really they’re not comparable and one is infinitely more compelling than the other.
When the train comes, I know which one I’m getting on.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pmwatchdog says:
I just think their ideology is mostly based in emotion. And I think that is a destructive mind set when dealing with policy.
But when the liberals appeal to cold facts in regards of, for instance, abortion issues (”making abortion illegal increases the number of women dying on clandestine operations”), the other side tends to rely more heavily on an emotional response (”it’s a sin!”). Remember Terry Schiavo?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pmwatchdog says:
“I’d like to ask watchdog and backup…. What exactly do you fear from liberals?”
I just think their ideology is mostly based in emotion. And I think that is a destructive mind set when dealing with policy.
How is their ideology based on emotion? And Why destructive?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:02 pmBecause when happiness lines up with what you see as the truth then does it matter?
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July 15th, 2009 at 1:03 pmwatchdog:
If you truly felt this you would never have made the initial comment now would you. It is pretty clear that my work is done here and that you have been shown to be lacking. In the future try to only make comments you can support with a consistency of thought over time when I am about….
mangy cur gets a vote down from me for patronizing Wal-Mart.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pmThat great bastion of workers and womens rights, with the terrific employee benefits programs they have for their workers(telling them how to apply for food stamps & Medicaid)
snark off
backup and watchdog have the same problem.
backup cannot understand science, so he thinks science is just based on opinion.
watchdog cannot comprehend the nature of progressive thought because of his authoratarian shackles, so he thinks it is just emotion.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:06 pmbased on emotion? Is this from the same person that made that when happiness lines up with what you see as truth comment? Jesus does logical consistancy matter to this guy at all?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pmmangy cur says he was a drum rep
as in whiskey drummer
LOL!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pmWhat a lush
LibertyLover says:
Well, then there are the theater arts… so PS could conceivably be considered Political Theater…
July 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I like it!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pmdbadass,
Your right. Watchdog is not only an empty suit, he seems to be a collection of random thoughts pasted together without the heart, soul, or facutly to string them together coherently.
You’ll never get a well thought out answer from him.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pmwatchdog says:
That is what you call a 360 degree lunatic.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
That’s all you’ve got, huh?
Pathetic.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:11 pmDo you believe conservative talk radio makes an appeal purely to the intellect?
When Rush, Savage & Hannity get on the air and scream about liberals, it’s not “mostly based in emotion” and it’s never “destructive?”
July 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pmwatchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pmSorry my man but I am calling bullshit on your pretendness and moving on. Feel free to link me to your band and all their successful tours and albums and shit and all if you wanna look slightly less pretend but I figure that is about as likely as you answering the indoctrination question…
cheers-
Now we know for sure the watchpuppy is a complete dumbass.
He’s not even interested in protecting his own alleged music. What a f ucking sheep.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pmI’ve got to get to work too. That was fun watchdog. Way to make a point. Have fun everyone.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pmIt wasn’t a liberal who started a program to spy on all Americans. It wasn’t a liberal who put over a million Americans on the terrorist watch list. If you want to worry about expansion of federal power take a look at those of your own ideaology.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pmSure it is. Sometimes normal people listen to it and are horrified by what you wingnuts are thinking.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pmI agree (and I’m glad we can agree on something). Whatever short term good talk radio gave the GOP once upon a time has had some serious negative consequences.
So why are you so focused on hating liberals when you could be doing more positive like helping get the GOP back on track?
And I’m still trying to figure out your addiction to trolling.
Don’t you think it’s enormously hypocritical of you to force your opinions on everyone here, considering how you don’t like it when others do that to you?
Whatever happened to the Golden Rule?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pmGood point Doc. Trivia question, which president expanded the federal government more than all previous presidents combined?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThat is their track. Hating liberals is all the GOP has left.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pmSee, this comment hilights the problem. Watchdog doesn’t explain why he thinks you are a lunatic, because he doesn’t know why he thinks so, himself. He is just conditioned to respond negatively to anything you say, because he knows you are a liberal, and therefore you are inconceivable and dangerous.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pmI hear you, shoeless. So often these days, the “principled opposition” from the right seems to be nothing more “we’re against whatever those durn libruls want because they’re libruls.”
Didn’t used to be that way.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:42 pmnothing more than, I should say.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pmReggie. I was making the point that people (in particular, white people) avoid racial topics, because of the high consequences associated by poor judgement or miscommunication. The watermelon postcard circumstance highlighted that high consequence. The man felt compelled to resign for what he believed was a joke.
Sotomayor says this:
Did anyone even consider the context of life of the offender in that situation?
Or just the one action?
There is a real disparity between the consequences for whites as opposed to minorities for mistakes or misjudgements. It’s real. Sotomayer understands it.
I have argued that it is that disparity (of high consequences for white missteps, mistakes, poor judgements or articulations of racial insensitivity) that inhibits the more honest discussion of racial issues that Attorney General Eric Holder advocates.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pmGood grief backup. Punks like Lindsey Grahmn and Jeff Sessions have been outrageous racists their entire lives. Racism is their context. Stop playing dumb. Youv;e outed yourself, and you can’t hide your racism any longer.
It’s amazing that the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor has brought out more racists than did the election of President Obama.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Holy Crapola.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pmblotchdog has truly jumped the shark!!!
Question: Did blotchdog ever really defend it’s posted right wing talking points from this morning?
No.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pmI was going to comment on the liberals want more power statement, but it seems that several of you handled that pretty well.
Watchdog -
I disagree though. I think liberals are mostly driven by a sense of fairness, opportunity and equality for all (traits that are at the core of the formation and foundation of this country), if you call that driven by emotion, then so be it, but
But when conservatives are content to create policies like the Defense of Marriage act or Prop 8 out of fear (an emotion) of the unknown how is that not destructive to society? Or create a little needed law banning animal human hybrids. Or create a even littler needed law to verify a person was born in the US in order to become President? (How many people will that affect exactly?)
Perhaps it is more destructive to base policy on the monetary interests of multinational corporations that can never die or get sick or retire, but can go on forever polluting our natural resources that will affect real human beings every day?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pmHoly Crapola.
I predict idjit’s post will done get raptured soon!
What, idjit?
Been lurking, waiting for a “homosexual agenda” thread that never materialized?
Sux to be you!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pmHe didn’t explain his hatred of liberals either, but we did that for him.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pmbit is free to believe whatever the heck bit wants to. The rest of us don’t really care. Well unless of course you can explain that dude livingin a cetacean stomach thing. dbadass would be super interested in that…
July 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pmI still want to know where all that water went after the flood.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pmwatchdog says:
I think talk radio is the most destructive thing to the republican party.
Having witnessed firsthand the rise in right wing talk radio along with the anger it brought that culminated in the “Republican revolution” of 1994. (It took 14 years). and allowed some pretty awful laws for corporations and against the people of the United States.I have to disagree.
But, I think that what talk radio has become, namely a narrow minded group of very angry white men, I will agree that it probably will be the thing that does keep the Republicans in the minority for awhile.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pmbackup says:
Did anyone even consider the context of life of the offender in that situation?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
What offender, b-cup? Do you think Judge Sotomayor said this while sentencing a criminal?
Sheesh…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pmThe evangelical christian push back against tolerance and acceptance is very real and very divisive.
Tell me again what Jesus preached? I thought that he was a peaceful man that preached tolerance and love and acceptance wherever he went.
Please tell me of the Christ that you reference.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pmTrollspotter says
Didn’t used to be that way.
No, it didn’t.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pmdbadass says:
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bit is free to believe whatever the heck bit wants to. The rest of us don’t really care. Well unless of course you can explain that dude livingin a cetacean stomach thing. dbadass would be super interested in that…
July 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The story of Jonah is an interesting story, and it makes its point whether the account is literal or metaphorical.
OTOH, the issue of irresponsible men making a generation of fatherless children is very real and very now. Does dbadass think we should discuss Jonah or discuss how to make a nation that’s worth preserving? Or, could it be that dbadass is only interested in belittling Biblical stories?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pmI don’t know about ya’ll, but when idjit posts stuff like this:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pmSo they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”
I get all hot and bothered!
Wow, I think I may just need a cold shower!!
I think it is that dbadass recognizes that a good faith thinker can not pick and choice and that a single book dictates nothing as to what the actions of any man should, might, or could be…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pmshoeless says:
dbadass says:
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bit is free to believe whatever the heck bit wants to. The rest of us don’t really care. Well unless of course you can explain that dude livingin a cetacean stomach thing. dbadass would be super interested in that…
I still want to know where all that water went after the flood.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
A more interesting question would be, “Where was all he water before the flood?”
Assuming the H20 was available before the flood – as it would have to be – seems there would be enough space(volume) to take care of it.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pmIs it possible that bit wishes not to consider that anything bit’s great big book of anything might have to say about marriage is also metaphorical and just the word of men with agendas who rewrote that book over and over again to suit their own needs, desires, hopes, and wishes?….
July 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pmChristians believe in the God who created sex. A man and a woman who God has joined togeter; i.e., married, should get hot and bothered. If they do this when they are married they are safe emotionally, physically, and spiritually, and that’s the design of marriage.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pmNormally, I just ignore idjit’s posts, but this one, for whatever reason, caught my eye:
bit000: A recent government report on the number of children born out of wedlock shows that 40% of the newborns are not born to a married mother and father.
Really?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pmChildren born out of wedlock are not born to a married mother or father?
Well, that’s one helluva government report you’re quoting!
What else did you learn from it?
That children not born and raised in Michigan don’t live there???
You’re a genius, Sherlock!
dbadass says:
Is it possible that bit wishes not to consider that anything bit’s great big book of anything might have to say about marriage is also metaphorical and just the word of men with agendas who rewrote that book over and over again to suit their own needs, desires, hopes, and wishes?….
July 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
What makes you think bit hasn’t already thought that?
bit doesn’t believe that the highest form of learning is to believe nothing? Does dbadass?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pmwatchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:20 pmAttempting a table turn makes no sense as I was not the one to announce that others were indoctrinated now was I? You aren’t very good at this are you? You made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you… I have moved on to new interests. You lost the discussion, suck it up and learn from it. Consistency is the key…
idjit posts:
If they do this when they are married they are safe emotionally, physically, and spiritually, and that’s the design of marriage.
Ummm, you may want to relay this message to the battered women and their children staying at the YWCA.
Just sayin’…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pmbit000: A recent government report on the number of children born out of wedlock shows that 40% of the newborns are not born to a married mother and father.
bit used this structure to be emphatic and to insure that everyone knew what “out of wedlock” meant, but thanks for the humor.
To find links to the government report see http://www.frc.org and search on wedlock.
Caution: Family Research Council (www.frc.org) is a conservative Christian website.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pmwatchdog says:
LibertyLover says:
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watchdog says:
I think talk radio is the most destructive thing to the republican party.
Having witnessed firsthand the rise in right wing talk radio along with the anger it brought that culminated in the “Republican revolution” of 1994. (It took 14 years). and allowed some pretty awful laws for corporations and against the people of the United States.I have to disagree.
But, I think that what talk radio has become, namely a narrow minded group of very angry white men, I will agree that it probably will be the thing that does keep the Republicans in the minority for awhile.
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Do you have to include that they are white men because they are republican?
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Nope, Observable fact.
Rush, Sean, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck… all angry white men. And most of their listeners appear to be male and very angry. You just have to listen to their programs. And I didn’t really see much diversity at the Republican National Convention.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:24 pmAs For Ann Coulter, And Laura Inghram… I have no idea what their agenda is except maybe monetary.
is bit blending believing, knowing, and learning into one? If bit believes that higher knowing is a function of believing that which is empirically implausable than why does bit feel one organized system of religious belief is any more or any less valid than any other?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pmOOOps.. I forgot to mention Bill O’REilly…. he is definitely a very angry white man!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pmbitblt says:
Caution: Family Research Council (www.frc.org) is a conservative Christian website.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
And therefore not worth shit.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:27 pmbit thinks believing and knowing are the same thing, db.
Pathetic. Again.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:27 pmbit bit… I have a question for you.
What do you think about the nation of Japan? The population there is shrinking because women are not getting married. And if they are getting married, are delaying having children. Seems they rather enjoy having a career.
Would you consider Japan to be a godless country?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pmUmmm, you may want to relay this message to the battered women and their children staying at the YWCA.
Just sayin’…
You mean “relay the message” to the women whose emotional high point – of their lives – was when they gave in to the first guy.
These are the ones who show up at churches looking for help?
bit’s most recent example of this is a women of 29 who is pregnant with her fifth child. She gave birth two her first two children when she she was 16 and 17. She gave these two up for adoption. She now has a four year old and and eight year old. Each child, all five – including the one she’s expecting – has a different father. bit doesn’t know if she’s ever been married.
Daddy five had been hurting her. She came to our church wanting to get out of town to stay with acquaintances. She wouldn’t go to a shelter. She had already done that.
At age 29, she’ll probably repeat the cycle another time or two.
bit has to wonder what this woman thinks when she tries to get to sleep at night. She has a emotional void that no women should have to endure.
How many irresponsible men have there been in her life?
How many more irresponsible men will there be in her life?
And what is that some said about bit?
So, what you’re saying is that you want to shove your religious lifestyle in everyone’s face, and impose your beliefs on everyone else, no matter what they believe?
If imposing a belief would stop this type of damage to women, bit would impose it. No one should have to live the way this woman lives. Sin did it. She’s certainly culpable, but the sexual sin of irresponsible men has ruined her life. Is that what individual liberty means in the USA – irresponsible sex?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pmJust an addendum to my post at #154:
My thought was incomplete.
After “Larger sample groups” I should have added that other ways that scientists verify a hypothesis or theory is to also change the variable, pick a different variable, or see if the reverse of the experiment could be true. If an experiment cannot be replicated, then the scientist searches for possible flaws in observable facts.
As to the genesis of any science experiment, it almost always starts as a question “Why?” or “What would happen if…?” It very rarely begins by taking a desired result and working backwards to set the experiment up to prove that result. If it is, then it is just plain bad science.
No way to edit the post, but I wanted to be more complete. (If anyone happens to read down this far)
July 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pmSort of O/T, but yesterday was watching tv goggles while at the dentist office, passed by Ben Gleck pronouncing the end of Amerika as he knows it, because Ms Sotomayor means Acorn will be running the elections…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pmDelusional is as delusional does.
watchdog:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pmyou may have missed it but no one is interested in throwing any sticks your way anymore. Imagining others indoctrinated while not being able to defend your own is hardly intriquing or thought provoking. Why not go curl up with a bisquit and take a nap?
dbadass says:
is bit blending believing, knowing, and learning into one? If bit believes that higher knowing is a function of believing that which is empirically implausable than why does bit feel one organized system of religious belief is any more or any less valid than any other?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
bit doesn’t think everything can be understand intellectually. bit knows this is something of a contradictory statement.
If you analysis anything, especially the Bible, with the goal of undermining its authority, you end up with nothing.
Hence, believing in nothing.
If dbadass has something to offer – instead of undermining Biblical authority on sexuality, something that’s beneficial to real live people and their problems, bit would be glad to hear it.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pmHence, believing in nothing.
Sounds good to me, as far as religion goes.
One can come to a spiritual center within oneself totally outside the boundaries of organized religion.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pmSince when is the Bible the authority dbadass should consider on any topic? Does bit consider the word of other faiths or is bit selective and if so why? dbadass has a broader view…
Hey watchdog wanna talk about your band?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pmbit’s most recent example of this is a women of 29 who is pregnant with her fifth child. She gave birth two her first two children when she she was 16 and 17. She gave these two up for adoption.
And as we all know, anecdotal examples from anonymous posters are the gold standard of relevance, and of credibility.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pmWOMEN ARE PROPERTY, INCEST IS FINE if you don’t have enough MEN AROUND and SEX IS “DIRTY”?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm—
that part is supposed to be metaphorical….
Is that what individual liberty means in the USA – irresponsible sex?
No, what it means is that this poor girl was looking for love in all the wrong places, or perhaps was sexually abused or raped as a young girl and acted out sexually because that is all she knows. Also perhaps lack of good scientifically based information about the use of contraception to prevent pregnancies might have been a means to give her the control over her life that it sounds like she could really use.
Instead of just judging her as a sinner, I hope that you are helping her to get the tools that she needs so that she doesn’t repeat the cycle of abuse that she is experiencing. Or that her poor children won’t end up in the same boat.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pmbit, if God created marriage for his chosen ones, then should there be a law which prohibits atheists, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, and Wickans from marrying?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pmDamn, I almost got indoctrinated again. You and your crafty liberal ideas. Nice try!
By a mere suggestion? Have you tried earplugs? If someone suggested you gork yourself, we wouldn’t want you to do anything… foolish.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pmWhy is dbadass begining to think bit is a woman who was born again after making dumb choices and needing a mechanism to transfer her culpability….
July 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pmIs it just me, or is that picture of Palin sexually suggestive? She looks like she’s about to give the mike a blowjob.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pmwatchdog, if I have to choose between your logic-free cut and pastes versus your attempts at original “humor”, I’ll take the cut and paste. Thanks for trying, though.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmbarfly. It’s either that or she’s singing the first note of the national anthem.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pmWow, leave it to idjit to blame a battered woman (or family) on the battered woman.
Bravo, sir. You are truly a mucking foron!
And would somebody, anybody, please give blotchdog a hummer so we don’t have to hear him whine about blowjobs???
Oh and idjit, one more thing. I’ve got a great, and true, story, about my daughter’s best friend in elementary school, who happens to have two moms, which we got to meet this past Friday.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmBut I will wait for the appropriate time, for the appropriate thread subject, when you inappropriately try to hijack it!
Trust me, it’s going to fun!!!
Backup:
This is an interesting coincidence, I found this comment on the Mayor who sent White House watermelon e-mail resigns.
It was posted by DNFP about 450 comments and 6 days beforee you finally stopped spamming the thread. Odd isn’t it that you and watchdog were there together that day too?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I’m sorry folks, but I just had to give a thumbs up to blotchdogs humor at #269.
Yellow Snow Eater.
That was funny!
See, you can make me laugh. Care to try and have an intelligent debate like adults (or at least like drunk college students?)
July 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pmbitblt says:
You mean “relay the message” to the women whose emotional high point – of their lives – was when they gave in to the first guy.
And a whole bunch of other crap…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Oh pul-lease. You think a possible orgasm is THE emotional high point of a woman’s life?
I would have thought you’d say the emotion high point of a woman’s life was giving birth — after having resisted the strong impulse to stop at the abortion clinic to get rid of the fetus, because liberals influenced her weak mind.
It’s typical that in all your self-important pontificating there is nothing about the fact that often women don’t have the option of “giving in” also known as rape. I see nothing about the responsibilities of the male involved in this encounter.
You don’t even have the intelligence to know that there are some things you just don’t know.
Flagged.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmmangy cur says:
Democrats are always cutting the budget of our military
And you, of course prefer to throw good money after bad on planes that don’t fly, etc.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pmHiya Zooey; I’m proud to give you the 1st vote up on your last post. :-)
July 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pmwatchdog is an pretender seeking attention… I prefer the real thing…
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmmangy cur:
instead of supporting an obsolete aircraft that requires 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight time and designed to fight an enemy that has not existed for almost 20 years, do something useful-like join the army and die for Halliburton?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pmHi, Unka Ho!
I’m proud to get rid of your -1. Suck it, troll!
Sorry to “vote up” and run, but I’m headed out of town for a couple days. If I’m lucky, I’ll be needing that partial birth abortion in about 9 months!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm/snark
Zooey:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pmthanx
:-)
Reggie. you go back and run thru the thread and that’s what you come up with?
I get that you don’t understand my position. To be honest, I don’t understand why people respond to the idea with (what I consider) knee jerk charges of racism.
Let me try to say it a different way.
The watermelon email was not okay. I said so in the thread. But, the idea is that Holder wants a more serious discussion of race.
I’m saying, that white people are reluctant to engage in that discussion out of fear of the repercussions of being racially offensive.
That fear is based on the incidents of white people being labeled as racist or having their careers jeopardized by saying the wrong thing.
Until that situation is resolved (and I point to Sotomayor’s hope that:
‘we can look at a statement that could be misunderstood and consider it in the context of the person’s life and the work they have done.’; )
I believe that the racist sentiments (or misunderstandings between races) that progressives want to abolish, will only move underground.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI’m still waiting for one of the stupid trolls to answer why, if liberals are all ruled by emotion, all those cold heartless scientists are liberal. I hope one can see the dissonance between those two theories.
And, If bitty’s still there, with a topographic map and a half hour I could prove to anyone smart enough to tie a shoe that there was no Great Flood within 5 miles of your house. The only reason to deny the senses is a profound fear of reality bordering on psychosis. If you weren’t such a loathsome, judgmental, prick I’d pity you.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pmB-kup. If…”That fear is based on the incidents of white people being labeled as racist or having their careers jeopardized by saying the wrong thing”? The answer is quite easy.
Those white people have to stop being racists. Stop calling people names and telling jokes about them and treat everyone with the respect they deserve. Maybe conservatives don’t have the self-control to refrain but I certainly do.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pmOf course we are. I have lots of friends. Some are just more real than others. So can you burn me a copy of watchdog’s band’s greatest hits or not?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pmbackup says:
I have some great material from that thread and I am working on a “sticky” for use the next time you rear your KKK face and defend racism. There is a treasure-trove of material on that thread, it may take me a few days to whittle it down to manageable size.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pmSince this was not an isolated event, there are probably a few other threads I should read to find instances where you contradict your own words.
I am not going to waste my time with you 7 1/2 hours into a thread, the impact will be much better if it is made immediately after you first make a comment defending racism.
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The divine mark of the Creator hit my car this afternoon. I immediately scrubbed it off.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pmWhich mark is that? Oh and for that matter which creator creates this mark? Please tell me this isn’t another one of those nebulous metaphorical marks….
July 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pmIsn’t it sweet how watchdog craves the approval of liberals?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pmMarriage carries the divine mark of the Creator.
Then why weren’t Adam and Eve married, if this was always a part of God’s plan?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pmI wonder if that amusing bonobo pe nis fencing has the mark on it as well. After all those bonobos must have been created by the creator I assume…
BTW what the hell is the problem with “pen is”. Twat ass balllick….
July 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pmYou’re a slave, bitty. The free life of a free citizen is utterly wasted on fools like you. I don’t say such things to be cruel but in the hope that someone manages to shock you into the real world before it’s to late for you to enjoy it.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmIn the liberal mind only males handing out b1ow jobs is acceptable.
Then I should tell my girlfriend to quit?
Not likely.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmCognitive dissonance is the natural state of mind in alternate reality. Without it, alternate reality would cease to exist, and it’s inhabitants would be cast into the harsh light of the real world.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmbarfly says:
Marriage carries the divine mark of the Creator.
Then why weren’t Adam and Eve married, if this was always a part of God’s plan?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Adam and Eve were married. When Christ makes the “one flesh” remark in Matthew 19, He is quoting Genesis were the man
says:
Genesis 2:23
July 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
pete. Here’s the problem: who’s making the decision what is racist? and more pertinently who’s making the decision that something is so racist that a second chance is not appropriate.
On the face of it, Sotomayor’s comments seem racist. I don’t believe they are, based on the context of her life. She has agreed that her choice of words was not appropriate.
Do we disqualify her for the poor choice of words that seemed racist?
What came out in the hearing was that there is a different standard that white people have been expected to maintain in what they say and do in regards to racial sensitivity.
Sotomayor agreed that is reality.
If white people feel they will not be given the benefit of a second chance or the benefit of the doubt to explain their actions in the context of the rest of their lives, they’ll avoid breaching the subject altogether.
And we will continue to be a nation of cowards.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThanks for the link but you got your conclusion wrong. The new study doesn’t say that current models are wrong. It says that their is an apparent cascade effect that greatly accelerated CO2 production and temperature in the PETM.
Lot’s of other things are different about the Earth today and then. Deforestation is one and the constantly increasing output of human emissions is the other. Hide your head in the sand if you must but the rational majority of humanity is getting about the business of surviving in a changing world.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pmIf you believe in Genesis, then that passage refers to their sexual mating. It says nothing about marriage.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pmSo bit as you read it was written language created yet or did other dudes right stuff down as they wanted it to be afterward…
July 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pmSorry, b-kup, I find your arguments to be disingenuous. If you think that Judge Sotomayor could be seen as a racist for noting her heritage, that many would see as a disadvantage, as a strength? I can’t follow you there. I’ve seen the comment so many times, in context and otherwise, and I still don’t see it.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pmMarie says:
If you believe in Genesis, then that passage refers to their sexual mating. It says nothing about marriage.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Christ’s answer to a question about divorce includes the following:
Matthew 19
bit has been told that at one time it was widely held that having sex with a person meant that the man and the woman were married. Christ’s answer seems to support that idea, at least to bit.
The Old Testament records something similar. The OT records that when Isaac married Rachel, he took her into his tent. No ceremony is recorded, just a simple remark about going into his tent to have sex with his wife.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pmbit:
July 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pmIs the talking snake a metaphor is that part real? Damn this crazy shit is crazy…
dbadass says:
bit:
Is the talking snake a metaphor is that part real? Damn this crazy shit is crazy…
July 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
You mean was the talking snake a metaphor or was there really a talking snake, right? Believe it works either(e-thEr) or either(i-thEr) way.
bit tends to lean toward the literal, because he( that’s he) believes the initial audience would have understood it that way.
bit has faith that the account is accurate.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pmpete. try it like this:
“I would hope that a wise White Man with the richness of his experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a minority woman who hasn’t lived that life,
July 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThere’s also quite a bit (no pun intended) about letting God take care of judgment and punishment in the Bible. And even when He had humans do His dirty work, He gave them instructions of some sort. He spake from on high or torched a bush or dropped a bunch of frogs on people. He sure didn’t count on interpretations of translations of edited and recompiled reconstructions of a text that was disputed from day one.
Nope. Today’s Faithful have lost the real message that they should be respectful of everyone and let God take care of personal sin. The real object lesson of “an eye for an eye” is that one doesn’t inflict punishment that exceeds the crime. But bitty’s type have forgotten that message, if they ever learned it in the first place.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pmbittybitty:
Consider this, Abraham had a wife who was barren. He then took his wife’s Egyptian(if memory serves)handmaiden who bore him a son.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pmDoes that mean God condones adultery?
…let God take care of personal sin.
This is how bit understand it. God will take care of personal sin.
However, the Founders believed God judges nations in real-time, in the here and now, in the rising and failing of nations. [ Bible Psalms: Righteousness exalts a nation.]
The real emotional, and physical costs from the situation in bit000 can’t be expected to “raise the nation.” Hard to imagine that there will be any societal cohesion left with another generation of 40% illegitimate birth rate.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pmbit
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pmdbadass has to go sell the shellfish and eat some too. dbadass looks forward to next and wishes you well. dbadass hopes their are no menstruating women in your tent…
Consider this, Abraham had a wife who was barren. He then took his wife’s Egyptian(if memory serves)handmaiden who bore him a son.
Does that mean God condones adultery?
Abraham’s wife Sarah gave her husband Hagar, the Egyptian. Why don’t you tell the rest of the story?
What happen to Hagar?
What became of her son?
Where the results of Sarah’s action positive?
What people came from Hagar’s son, Ishmael?
Don’t believe God condones adultery.
It’s worth noting that God told the Kings of Israel not to take more that one wife. Well, they didn’t listen. The Kings took more that one wife because the neighboring Kings had more that one wife. (The big guy – the King – is always going to have the most and the best.)
All the Kings suffered for having more that one wife, some grievously like King David.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pmRichness as in the case of George W Bush, born with a silver coke spoon under his nose? Being able to attend Yale only because he was a legacy admission, rather than based on academic achievement, is that the richness you describe?
Growing up amongst the white country club elite and the only interaction with ethnic Americans was with servants or service sector workers?
Is that what you describe as richness?
Or in Judge Sotomayor case, richness from growing up lower middle class and having to work hard and to understand discrimination first hand.
Earning scholarships and graduating second in her class at law school.
Growing up amongst people of varied ethnic backgrounds and understanding the daily struggle to clothe, feed and provide shelter for your family?
I am going to have to pick the Latino Woman’s experience as being the richer of the two.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pmdbadass says:
bit
dbadass has to go sell the shellfish and eat some too. dbadass looks forward to next and wishes you well. dbadass hopes their are no menstruating women in your tent…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Try not to get it from China. They may not have clean up the shrimp raising environments, yet, and shrimp will pick up stuff from the water.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pmpete says:
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Sorry, b-kup, I find your arguments to be disingenuous. If you think that Judge Sotomayor could be seen as a racist for noting her heritage, that many would see as a disadvantage, as a strength? I can’t follow you there. I’ve seen the comment so many times, in context and otherwise, and I still don’t see it.
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I agree, but I’d like to think of it more as a crock of shite.
Mixed with arrogance.
Add a touch of racism.
And you have the recipe for a b-cup.
tony and lido
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
good point bit. Personally I have the blessings of the crator who has seen fit to provide me with domestic, turtle free, fresh wild caught…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pmso is Daryll back as bitbit?
July 15th, 2009 at 5:33 pmtony and lido
You are still missing the point, b-kup. Yes, it’s hard to imagine a scenario where the hypothetical white guy said the same thing. But he doesn’t live in a culture where, right or wrong, his ethnicity is seen as an obstacle.
And, in the context of Judge Sotomayor’s statement, it is crystal clear that she was speaking to critics and other Latina women that her upbringing makes her a person with the advantages of a diverse mix of experiences.
Frankly, it wouldn’t make much sense for a white guy to make the exact same statement because, outside of extremist circles, the notion wouldn’t be entertained. A more plausible analogy is a white guy who was born into a military family who says his military upbringing gives him advantages, in some scenarios, over a civilian. Or having the experience of actually living in another country and learning it’s culture provides advantages, in some scenarios, over someone who’s never left their home state.
As stated and as endlessly dissected I can only reach the conclusion that her statement was no more worrying than saying she was a lawyer, a diplomat, a kindergarten teacher, or a mountain climber.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pmdietrich says:
so is Daryll back as bitbit?
Nope. Two separate entities. One crock of crap.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pmThe Founders, bitty? Do you mean the Founding Fathers of the U.S.A? Go reread history from an accredited source. I doubt you could get even one of the Founding Fathers to support that Armageddon crap if you wired their testicles.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:42 pmpete says:
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dietrich says:
so is Daryll back as bitbit?
Nope. Two separate entities. One crock of crap.
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Thanks, but every time I see a holy roller screed I automatically think of Darnell.
tony and lido
July 15th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
You see, bitty, before the Dixiecrats took over the Republican party and got enough chuckleheads in one party we elected very few raving lunatics into office. And certainly not the Presidency.
Then we got Nixon. One can argue whether he was nuts before the Presidency or not but he certainly left in a shambles.
Raygun consulted televangelists and psychics then conveniently forgot his entire Presidency, seemingly, overnight.
Bush 41 was mostly sane but detached with zero charisma and just not likable.
Bush 41’s idiot man-child is purely delusional. I’ve waited, in growing horror, for the punchline since the first time I heard the Chimp speak.
Thankfully, bitty, your side is shrinking each day.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pmTake a look at our own lakes, rivers, and coastal areas before you whine about China, bitty. There are few places without some type of consumption advisories. Of course the insidious ones are the long term toxins we released before China was heavily industrialized.
Have you asked yourself why we import shrimp, bitty? It’s because we scoured our own coastal regions bare and then sterilized them with toxins and run off.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:06 pmIf I’ve pissed anyone off by engaging the troll, please forgive me. It’s been a while since I’ve had bitty in my sights and couldn’t resist. I just can’t resist prompting those who believe so many things that are the opposite of true.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:11 pm“So Many Things That Are The Opposite Of True”
The Progresive New School Republican Party
by Sarah Palin, Almost Former Governor of a State
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Makes a great title, pete.
Maybe the trolls are sent here to inspire us.
Troll muse.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:05 pmReggie. you are missing the point and making my point at the same time.
You are making generalizations about a person based on race or gender.
I don’t think Sotomayor is a racist. But, I agree with her that the ‘Latino woman’ comment was a poor choice. I also would disagree with the sentiment of the comment if it was delivered as the white male.
I disagree with the sentiment that someone is better or more capable due to their gender or race.
Don’t you?
July 15th, 2009 at 7:28 pmpete. I disagree with your take on the significance of the comment, but I appreciate your earnest attempt to explain why you feel the way you do.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:40 pmbackup, is this really what it’s come to for you? You come to a thread that is long over, just so you can post your talking point without worrying that it will be voted down again?
After the latest infestations of the lamest trolls, I was starting to have a new appreciation for you, but why are you still here trying to convince the TP community that your flavor racism is better than racism in another form? Your comment at 5:04 is just sad.
Give it up. You’re embarrassing yourself!
PEACE
July 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pmokay, spencers mom.
What’s so racist about this:
Even more generally, which post(s) of mine connote my ‘flavor racism’?
I believe instead of racism, what many here find more objectionable is the questioning of favored dogma.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:40 pmbit has been told that at one time it was widely held that having sex with a person meant that the man and the woman were married. Christ’s answer seems to support that idea, at least to bit.
The Old Testament records something similar. The OT records that when Isaac married Rachel, he took her into his tent. No ceremony is recorded, just a simple remark about going into his tent to have sex with his wife.
Well, this certainly IS good news, bitbit! That means in the eyes of the Lord any homosexual that takes another homosexual into their “tent” (or home presumably) to have sex actually have a legal marriage. You found it! The Biblical passage that allows for same sex marriage.
Good for you!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:15 pmrhf. If Alito would have said that experience enables him to make better judgements than a minority or a woman, he wouldn’t be on the court today.
Because the comment would seem racist and no one would have cared what he meant or given any thought to the context of his life. There would only be uncompromising calls for his dismissal that no one would contest.
I said from the beginning that I thought Sotomayor should be confirmed. She’s brilliant. She is not a racist.
But, the Latino Woman comment highlights the double standard when it comes to racial sensitivity.
Don’t be upset with me, these are Sotomayor’s words:
After mindless calls of racism being hurled at her, she gets it.
I understand you’re upset. You’ve lost your favorite tool.
If someone you don’t like says says something you don’t like about a racial issue, you (and the left in general) would only effortlessly hurl charges of racism to tamp them down.
But, Sotomayor’s nomination has changed that. The right still has a problem with racism. But, it no longer has a monopoly with that problem.
This experience has shown us that we all need to watch what we say. And we all need to consider objectionable comments in the context of a person’s life and not just on the basis of one poorly chosen phrase or comment.
I don’t oppose Sotomayor. I think she’s smart. I think it’s good to have diversity on the court. And in every other aspect of society, for that matter.
You and many, many others here have called me a racist, not because I believe one race is superior to any other (the real definition), but because I question the double standard that has evolved where the comments or actions of whites are more heavily scrutinized than the comments or actions of others.
Holding one group to a different standard or requiring different expectations is real racism. My goal is not to upset you. It is to get you to see the wrongheadedness of your position.
July 16th, 2009 at 11:05 am