Steele’s Fuzzy Math: Obama Administration Created $10 Trillion National Deficit
Steele’s Fuzzy Math: Obama Administration Created $10 Trillion National Deficit
Earlier today on Fox News, RNC Chairman Michael Steele was asked whether Republicans would borrow from President Clinton’s famous catch-phrase during the 1992 campaign, “it’s the economy stupid,” in the run-up to the 2010 election. Steele proceeded to launch into a rambling answer that used fuzzy math to assert that, in only six months, President Obama has added “10 trillion dollars” to the national deficit, while President Bush is to blame for only “a trillion”:
STEELE: They love going back to George Bush and his deficit that was inherited. Great. I’ll take George Bush’s deficit right now of a trillion dollars over the 10 trillion dollars that this administration has created in just six months.
Watch it:
Steele is clearly confusing the difference between our national debt, which stands at roughly $11.4 trillion, and this year’s budget deficit, which just exceeded $1 trillion.
To help jog Steele’s memory, here’s a bit of a deficit recap: Bush inherited a budget surplus of $128 billion in 2001. Budget experts projected a $710 billion surplus for 2009 when he came into office. But the deficit soon exploded, thanks largely to the Bush tax cuts — which accounted for 42 percent of the deficit. When Bush left office, he handed President Obama a projected $1.2 trillion budget deficit for this year, the largest ever.
As for the debt, when President Bush took office, it was $5.73 trillion. When he left, it was $10.7 trillion.
Just last month, the New York Times published the results of an examination from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. The report, which examined federal spending stretching back almost a decade, found that Obama “is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits”:
About 33 percent of the swing stems from new legislation signed by Mr. Bush. That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt.
Mr. Obama’s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies — together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama — account for 20 percent of the swing.
About 7 percent comes from the stimulus bill that Mr. Obama signed in February. And only 3 percent comes from Mr. Obama’s agenda on health care, education, energy and other areas.
Try as Steele might, this is blame shifting that just won’t work — especially after the Bush administration made it clear that “deficits don’t matter.”
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It’s not “fuzzy math”. It’s a bold attempt to rewrite history. And the 1% of the population that watches FAUX will buy it.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThat’s *Republican* math.
You know, no rules, no relation to reality…?
July 17th, 2009 at 4:39 pmSteele then added, “and then Obama spent a hoojillion bazillion simoleans! We can’t afford that many simoleans!”
July 17th, 2009 at 4:45 pm… … .
ot (sort of)
since the very first time mike steele
appeared on these pages i’ve seen little,
if any, troll support for him.
* * *
why is that?
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July 17th, 2009 at 4:47 pmShorter Mikey: I’m stupid.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:48 pmJeez. He must think were stupid. I often wonder how the GOP has no problem spending billions to wage an un-necessary war, and yet balk at covering millions of Americans with health-care and to fix our crumbling infastructure. I guess oil producing nations have a higher priority that American citizens and their children.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:49 pmThey always neglect to say this years Federal Budget started October 2008 not January 20th 2009.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:53 pmIt’s no wonder they’ve screwed up the economy so bad. They can’t even add.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:54 pmDay after day we comment on the Repub idiots, and every day they come uo with a new form of stupidity…is there no end to it?
July 17th, 2009 at 4:55 pm.
LIE-CHEAT-STEELE
THE “NEW” G(no)P
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July 17th, 2009 at 4:58 pmWhat a moron! And this lying is intentional. Someone hands Mikey some talking points and he’s a willing puppet.
PEACE
July 17th, 2009 at 4:59 pm“Steele’s Fuzzy Math: Obama Administration Created $10 Trillion National Deficit”
lol That’s according to the GOP wingnut calculator. Nice try Mike. But, we all know that it was your own Republican Party President of 8 years that created this huge balloon deficit.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:00 pmP.D. says:
Jeez. He must think were stupid. I often wonder how the GOP has no problem spending billions to wage an un-necessary war, and yet balk at covering millions of Americans with health-care and to fix our crumbling infastructure.
I’d like to try to answer that one.
Because to Republicans, if you can’t make money doing it, it isn’t worth doing at all.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:00 pm…
doggie says mikey is right.
:)
thanks, pal.
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July 17th, 2009 at 5:03 pmThanks for this Nate.
Although the willful deception by the right gets my blood boiling I’m glad to have this information summarized for quick rebuttals when needed.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:04 pmjoe cantwell says:
since the very first time mike steele
appeared on these pages i’ve seen little,
if any, troll support for him.
why is that?
I don’t know. As embarrassing as he is, he’s not even close to the most embarrassing Republican out there. For some reason, they don’t seem to see him as a real part of the Repbulican leadership. I can’t put my finger on it. I just can’t figure out why the GOP and the right-wing in general can’t seem to get behind this guy. There’s just something about him that puts them off or something.
Maybe it’s because he’s bald?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:04 pmthe CHESS BOARD MASTER hard at it again
we can only GUESS what genius is behind this move.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:04 pmWayne A@14, Yeah, Being noble isn’t a high GOP priority. Look at all the past Democrats who have spent their lives for the good of others. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton (to an extent), Al Gore. Yet Georgie Boy seems content to sit on his butt in Texas doing nothing but watch the days go by. You would think after what he and his cronies did to this country he would be the first to do something noble. But alas, it isn’t so.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pmRepublicans:
July 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pmsteele, “birthers”, joe the dumber, sex perversion, adultery, religious zealots, hockey moms for president, and just saying no…cutting taxes while going to war, tax breaks for corporations, not the citizens, …the first bailouts of wall street(b4 obama), health care costs allowed to run rampant over the past 8 years….sean hannity, glenn beck, torture, I could go on and on and on and on……
This “Magic Replubican” is a actually a “Magic Moron!”
July 17th, 2009 at 5:10 pmWhat do you expect – he’s a rethuglican. Lying is in their genes!
July 17th, 2009 at 5:11 pm“Mr. Obama’s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies…..”
Putting aside Steele’s “selective moronic math”…..
President Obama needs to STOP extending any Bush policy PRONTO!
July 17th, 2009 at 5:13 pmrealpatriot@20, Wow. You said it all.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:13 pm… … …
elbruce,
so’s dick, and they love dick,
so that can’t be it.
? ? ?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:17 pm…
rp,
it’s a long list.
:|
July 17th, 2009 at 5:18 pmO.T.
Breaking: House Dems Will Investigate Secret CIA Program
July 17th, 2009 at 5:19 pmhttp://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/house-republicans/breaking-house-dems-will-investigate-secret-cia-program/
Sooo…the Republic Fascist Party who created all this debt and mess is going to try and pin it all on the present administration…is that their plan?
Sure, but the LIBERAL MEDIA will surely question their numbers and point out the lies they are spewing.
And the WELL INFORMED PUBLIC will surely investigate those numbers and realize that they are being lied to.
Hey, wait….it just might work.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
July 17th, 2009 at 5:25 pmHmm, surplus, eh? Let’s do some fuzzy math.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm
Let’s look at the total national debt from 1997-2001.
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
Wow. Every year, the national debt went up. You’d think that if there were a surplus anywhere in there, that the national debt would have gone down.
Maybe I’m just doing fuzzy math.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:26 pmTo quote Shakespeare, Steele is “full of sound & fury, signifying nothing”.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:28 pmChildren should not be allowed to play with matches, scissors or guns.
Republicans should not be allowed to play with numbers.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:29 pmAlejandro, I noticed you quit in 2001 with your numbers.
Care to bring it up to date?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThat’s not “fuzzy” math.
It’s the same old Republican disregard for petty, trivial little things like accuracy, veracity, facts, and evidence.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:36 pmHoodathunktick,
Well, I put up the years where there was a supposed surplus.
Here’s 2002, then:
9/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
Yep, bigger than 2001, so no surplus then either.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:37 pmAlejandro says:
Wow. Every year, the national debt went up. You’d think that if there were a surplus anywhere in there, that the national debt would have gone down.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
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Why would you think that?
The debt isn’t a calculation of budget deficits and/or surpluses over time. It’s a measure of the number of dollars the government has borrowed from banks and countries and individuals. If the government borrows money in a given year and doesn’t pay it back, the debt goes up. Surplus or not.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:37 pmAlejandro apparently doesn’t realize that President Clinton paid $1.5 trillion in interest on the $4.5 trillion debt he inherited.
Let’s all guess just how much of the Obama transparent budget deficit will be interest payments on the $11.7 trillion debt he inherited!
But don’t let facts get in the way of your talking points.
PEACE
July 17th, 2009 at 5:40 pmAlejandro also neglects to address how Bush decided to take the budget surplus he inherited and rather than use it to pay down the debt (reducing both the debt and the interest on the debt) Bush decided to play Santa and send out $300 checks to all the taxpayers!
Now let’s review Bush’s numbers again, shall we?
PEACE
July 17th, 2009 at 5:42 pmI think you are confusing national debt with budget surplus
July 17th, 2009 at 5:43 pmXisithrus, are you directing that to me? I know the difference between the budget and the debt, but apparently the talking head here and his GNOP Chair don’t.
PEACE
July 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pmIf the government borrows money in a given year and doesn’t pay it back, then aren’t counting that total debt in the budget to arrive at a budget surplus.
If I have $10k in credit card debt, but pay all the monthly minimums on my credit cards, then have $10 left in the bank, can I claim a $10 surplus at the end of the month?
That’s basically what you’re talking about.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:46 pmAlejandro apparently has a difficulty with math similar to Chairman Steele’s.
Trey these figures, Alejandro.
Pay particular attention to the figures for FY 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001 — all Clinton administration budgets.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pmspencers mom, this isn’t a pissing contest about who went into deeper debt.
I’m just challenging the notion that there was ever a real surplus anywhere in there.
If you have to look at it as some kind of contest then Clinton ‘only’ added about $1.5 trillion to the debt, then Bush added something like $5 trillion.
I guess our only hope now is that Obama will ‘only’ add another $1.5 trillion?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pmOh Mike! You so off da hook! Where is the fried chicken and potato salad?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:55 pmIf you have to look at it as some kind of contest then Clinton ‘only’ added about $1.5 trillion to the debt, then Bush added something like $5 trillion.
I guess our only hope now is that Obama will ‘only’ add another $1.5 trillion?
Do you even read what you post? Clinton and Obama together add 3 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion? Do you have some sort of point here?
July 17th, 2009 at 5:56 pmwatchpup apparently doesn’t realize that Mike Steele made a joke about “fried chicken and potato salad” the other day.
But why would he? watchpup doesn’t seem to consider Mike Steele a “real Republican”.
No one seems to be able to explain why that is.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:03 pm09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
Here’s 2002, then:
9/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
Ok, basic math time. From 1997-2001 the difference is about $400,000,000,000.00
The difference between 2001-2002 is about the same.
Clinton was President from 1997-2001. Bush 2001-2002.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:05 pm.
Steele is Hip Hopping with reality…
… Can someone tell him that Reality is more than a game show?
.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:06 pmIf republicans are calling Obama the Messiah,
does that make Micheal Steele the anti-christ?
July 17th, 2009 at 6:08 pmwatchpup thinks he understands any rules at all…
that’s funny.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:08 pmThat the debt only goes up no matter who’s in office? So it looks like a contest for who’s going to screw the country less this time?
July 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pmRight. Bush was a bigger spender than Clinton. I guess that means you win.
Congratulations.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm.
Dear watchpuppy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQFrcoKoBvA
The tug-toy is lonely…
.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:11 pm.
Dear watchpuppy,
Your anus is dirty. Go lick it!
.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:11 pmIs Michael Steele a product of home schooling?
July 17th, 2009 at 6:12 pmAlejandro, did you bother to look at the link I posted for you? If you go there and click “expand” you’ll notice that the figures for the FYs 1998-2001 are all positive percentages, the numbers following chronologically are all negative numbers. That could be significant for this conversation, don’t you think?
Might save you some embarrassment.
Then again, it might not.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:13 pmralph,
Don’tch know?
You can lead a (R)epublican to the truth…
… You just can’t make them think it.
.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:15 pmThe numbers don’t matter.
It’s where the money goes.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:16 pmTwenty-one billion dollars in cash from our treasury disappeared in Iraq in 2004.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:21 pm17.2 billion to Halliburton KBR only, between 2003 – 20006.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:27 pmWatchpup notice how Alejandro isn’t getting voted down on his every post?
There is a reason for that….
….and there is a reason that every post you make gets voted down.
Moron.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:27 pmAlejandro says:
If I have $10k in credit card debt, but pay all the monthly minimums on my credit cards, then have $10 left in the bank, can I claim a $10 surplus at the end of the month?
That’s basically what you’re talking about.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
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Exactly.
That’s the difference between the national debt and the budget deficit.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:35 pmwatchdog says:
Your rules buddy! you can’t talk about a black person and fried chicken.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
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No, that’s really not the rule. It’s a bit more complicated, but far out of your comprehensive ability so I won’t bother to explain it.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pmkrystalview says:
“Mr. Obama’s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies…..”
Putting aside Steele’s “selective moronic math”…..
President Obama needs to STOP extending any Bush policy PRONTO!
I am not sure he is really extending the Bush policies, just leaving them in place until such time as he can address them thoroughly and give them the attention they deserve. President Obama isn’t a “shoot first and ask questions later” kind of person so he takes his time when he figures out what to do. Considering the fact that he’s rather busy trying to save our economy and pass health care reform, he really doesn’t have the time to delve into many of these problems in the way they deserve.
If, after he has been president for a year or two, he still has many of Bush’s policies in place, then and only then will I criticize him for it.
It took Bush and the Republics 8 years to royally screw this country up, it’s going to take a lot longer than 6 months to fix it.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pmReminder: Congress spends the money, not the President.
The Republican Congress spent like drunken sailors. But since the Democrats took over in 2007, the liberals have spent like a fleet of drunken sailors.
It wasn’t the tax cuts that caused the problem. Revenues increased. It was THE SPENDING.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Alejandro, like Steele, seems to have a bit of a tough time understanding the difference between national debt and budget deficit.
Alejandro, re-read the post and follow a few of the links. It may help. Then again, it might not…
July 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pmNot to mention that saying the Obama administration has incurred in a $10 trillion deficit in a mere 6 months is flat out false.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:58 pmSteele is a moron.
About $10 trillion of the $11.4 trillion national DEBT was created by Reagan, GHW Bush and Dumbyass Bush.
End of discussion.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:02 pmDear Michael Steele,
You have the right to make only one stupid comment per day (and maybe two stupid comments on a Sunday). Please don’t exceed that limit! ;-)
July 17th, 2009 at 7:04 pmmarwick said :
Typical liberal think from Joe Biden: “We Have To Spend Money To Keep From Going Bankrupt.”
marwick,
I agree it is silly. It is like when George DUMBYASS Bush said : “I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system”.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:08 pmmarwick says:
The Republican Congress spent like drunken sailors. But since the Democrats took over in 2007, the liberals have spent like a fleet of drunken sailors.
It wasn’t the tax cuts that caused the problem. Revenues increased. It was THE SPENDING.
Read the numbers.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:12 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
National debt is not a bad thing, in itself, though it should not be excessive and/or spent on preventive wars. The government borrows money to spend into the economy—that’s how our monetary system works. Zero debt and a balanced budget = great depression.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:15 pm#
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marwick said:
Things went off the tracks when the Progressives took over Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Henry Reid have run the debt up to astronomical levels.
How much were the budget “surpluses” during the years 2000-06? Btw, are you trying to become Michael Steele’s ASS-istant clown?!
July 17th, 2009 at 7:17 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
marwick says:
Things went off the tracks when the Progressives took over Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Henry Reid have run the debt up to astronomical levels. Pelosi now has a health care bill that will actually increase the total cost of health care.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
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Yeah, it probably will. When an extra 40 million people who couldn’t afford health care become able to get health care, overall spending on health care increases. That’s really basic arithmetic. What’s the problem?
July 17th, 2009 at 7:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
National Debt Graph 1940 to Feb 2009 by President
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Thom Hartmann on the GOP’s Two Santa Clauses theory
July 17th, 2009 at 7:48 pmhttp://tinyurl.com/8yul2a
915 billion dollars for war and death versus 1 trillion dollars for universal healthcare and life.
July 17th, 2009 at 7:52 pmLife or Death?
July 17th, 2009 at 7:53 pmmarwick says:
Things went off the tracks when the Progressives took over Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Henry Reid have run the debt up to astronomical levels.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, or you live in a parallel reality.
I suppose the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan came at no cost in your bizarro world…
July 17th, 2009 at 7:59 pmDeath
or
Life?
What do you fear?
July 17th, 2009 at 7:59 pmOur economic collapse shortly followed our moral collapse which coincided with our first criminal President 40 years ago. During those 40 years the GOP has held the White House for 28 years. They have had an advantage in the House and or Senate for 32 of those years. They have held an advantage in the Federal courts during every Republican Administration and had an advantage in the SCOTUS for 26 of those same 40 years. They controlled the White House, Congress, Senate, and Supreme Court leading to the biggest collapse since, at least, the Great Depression.
Now the democrats are spending money to mitigate the damage and the GOoPers are whining about actually spending a few dollars to help people, people their dogma has directly damaged, instead of kill them. And can they even admit their culpability in the emergency our nation finds itself in? Nope!
Instead of trying to solve the monumental problems we face they keep screeching about “libruls” and throwing tantrums like toddlers. Instead of admitting that their policies had a part they just blame the “liberal media”, “activist judges”, “illegal immigrants”, gays, atheists, and anyone else who has spent much of the last several decades telling the silly tits of the GOP that they were orchestrating the fall of our society.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:00 pm35 billion dollars a year maintaining the prison population.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Our latest conservative friend thinks that health care is not rationed by insurance companies.
Hehehe. Silly troll.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:36 pmSomeone thinks there are progressives who have taken over Congress?
Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich have staged a coup or what?
July 17th, 2009 at 8:41 pmCold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is gray
And yellow…..white
But we decide
Which is right
And which
Is an illusion
July 17th, 2009 at 8:41 pmNice one, okie.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:45 pmJohn Warner made an interesting comment the other day. He explained his contempt for the Obama Administration for the suggestion that the present problems where caused by the Bush Administration. Warner went on to say that this economy was Obama’s and it is about time he took ownership of the present situation, because his decisions have made this far worse than they would have been otherwise.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pmMr. Steele is driving a point home from the same direction. The approach is dishonest and lacks any candor. Is the Republican Party fit to lead this country after the results of the last 8 years and the present “sheer scale” of the dishonest representation of the facts?
I heard a fundamentalist preacher remark that above all else, Christians value honestly, and the association with the Republican Party calls into question this core value of Christianity! The very path the Republican Party has chosen to keep them afloat may just undermine their baseline party support.
Thank you, Ralph.
Talking about Tricky Dick days made me nostalgic.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe christian right loves to rewrite history, be it the bible, or American current events.
They probably believe in what they’re saying because they have no affinity to the truth.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:00 pmDon’t you all just love the testimonials the Reichwhiners trot out. There seems to be, exactly, one for each “horrible” thing the Democrat/communists are trying to force on each and every American. But there are tens of millions of people who have been well served by public health care right here in the U.S.A.
I can’t speak about Massachusetts but I’m on Medicare and, despite the confusing forms, it’s the best insurance I’ve had. Private insurance was always hard for me to get because of a pre-existing condition. Many of my friends are vets and, the ones I know, are very pleased with their VA health care.
No one’s saying their aren’t going to be problems. But the problems don’t compare to the benefits. And for every testimonial of horror the frightened children trot out there are countless success stories of bodies healed and lives saved. Trying to halt health reform because of a fear of problems is akin to disbanding the nation’s police departments because a pedestrian got hit by a police car.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:06 pmThe following is a quote from FSTDT. For some reason the filter doesn’t like the link:
I can see any of our pet trolls trying to make the same demands while never seeing the irony.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:15 pmGood posts, pete. You bring up a great point.
The right-wingers seem to think that, in order for it to be worthwhile, a public plan has to be free of all problems. If that were the case, then you’re damn right it would kill private insurance.
But it’s not the case. It can never be the case. Still, the problems inherent in a public or government plan will generally be ones of incompetence, while the problems inherent with a for-profit program will always be ones of greed, compounded with incompetence.
July 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pmpete, the quote in post 102 sounds a lot like our friend Daryll.
July 17th, 2009 at 10:02 pmThe Bush budget deficits were actually slightly worse than what is officially reported.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/2009.deficit/index.html#cnnSTCOther1
Bush used a gimmick where he gave corporate America a one day break on paying their quarterly taxes. What this means is that a projected $30 billion was booked on October 1, 2001 rather than September 30, 2001. That means that the actual budget surplus for FY 2001 was $158 billion and the actual budget deficit for FY 2002 was $188 billion. This one year $346 billion swing is the largest on record (before FY 2009) and can be traced to the first round of Bush tax cuts. When there was a second round of tax cuts the deficit swelled by another nearly $200 billion. The rest is history.
July 17th, 2009 at 10:38 pmPete @102
The religious right is down right scary. Darwin honestly freaks the evangelicals out, rattles them to the bone. I have first hand experience with a person at work. Good as gold be don’t bring up Darwin. This person applies the same fanatical passion to anything UN Republican.
I bring up historical fact and I am arrogant when countering any of his Fox talking points. If this is what the Republicans’ have at their base, it’s a little scary.
P. S. This guy has no American history in his background,
July 17th, 2009 at 11:04 pmbut I get regular lectures concerning the constitution
and the intentions of our founding fathers, they were
Evangelical patriots. He saw a movie at his church on
the subject, and he is always right.
I’m gonna go to my grave without understanding why my fundie buddies think Darwinism is a religion. I’m sometimes tempted to tell them I worship gravity.
July 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pmNow I’ve been crying lately,
Thinking of the world as it is
Why must we go on hating
Why can’t we live in bliss
‘Cause out on the edge of darkness
There rides a peace train
Oh, peace train come take this country
Come take me home again
Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam
Thank you Walter Conkrite, for bringing the world to my living room, and walking with us all through some of the most astounding and tragic events in the history of man.
The original news “anchor”, you honored our trust by showing empathy without bias.
You demonstrated that the quest for truth brings clarity,
and the dignity of being a world citizen.
A true journalist.
July 18th, 2009 at 12:45 amIt is not possible than even Michael Steele is that stupid. He is counting on a large number of Fox viewers being that stupid.
The video ended quickly, but I’m sure the Fox newscaster corrected him. [That was a joke].
If Democratic spending is far more than Republican spending, then why is spending with a Republican president and congress far more than with a Democratic president and congress? Riddle me that trolls. And Clinton created 22 million jobs and Dubya about 2 million (worst since the Great Depression).
Did you know that Cat Stevens called for the killing of Salman Rushdie?
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What a waste of time this man Steele is. Plainly, he is out of his gourd; yet another raving right-winger who delights in doing their part in the sinking of America. We need to educate our fellow citizens so they can become more aware of these noxious clowns and not fall for the corporate propaganda they spew.
July 18th, 2009 at 9:29 amokie dokie says:
July 17th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Ahhh, another Moody Blues fan. :)
July 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pmI’m sure the closer we get to 2010 the token black republican Steele will have that deficit up to $75 trillion.
July 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pmMarwick you are unbelievably stupid. It was the tax cuts AND the spending. If you dont believe me just tell your boss it will be fine to cut your pay because you are just going to spend less. You wingnuts are WWAAAAAAYYYYYY too stupid to be anywhere NEAR the levers of power.
July 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pmSteele is lying (not making a mistake!) He knows that the audience of the show he’s on aren’t likely to fact check his statements (they don’t after all ascribe to any alternate sources of news), so he’s happy to mislead the dwindling base of the republican party.
Sadly I think the republicans must lose this clown.
I say this as a democrat and an african american who couldn’t be more proud with where the country and by extension the world is going right now, but who realizes that we suffer as a whole when there is no credible debate in our two party system.
Steele is “colorful”, but the republicans need heft, critical thinking, policy alternatives that aren’t laughable, and a coherent strategy to maintain some semblance of a balance of power.
At some level I understand that it’s better this way although I’d say I wouldn’t give a hoot if the current brand of conservitism would go the way of the wigs. If Obama get’s education, energy policy and health care done in his first term, that’s a possibility.
July 18th, 2009 at 4:45 pmUmmm…he’s only been in office a few months. Give him 8 years like Bush had and just see what happens!
July 19th, 2009 at 8:53 pm