From ‘Socialized Medicine’ To ‘Dead Baby Juice,’ GOP Moderate Faces Down Rabid Right-Wing Conspiracies
From ‘Socialized Medicine’ To ‘Dead Baby Juice,’ GOP Moderate Faces Down Rabid Right-Wing Conspiracies
Moderate Republican Mike Castle (R-DE), who holds Delaware’s only Congressional seat, hit a wall of right-wing rage during a town hall meeting in Georgetown, DE. The June 30 meeting, part of his health care “listening tour” across the state, came just days after Rep. Castle was one of just eight Republicans to vote in favor of the American Clean Energy and Security Act. The event rapidly devolved into a moblike atmosphere as conservative activists challenged Castle with the full spectrum of right-wing conspiracy theories:
‘Socialized Medicine’ Will Destroy The Nation ‘Faster Than The Twin Towers.’ Audience member: “I don’t have the answers for how to fix the broken pieces of our health care system, but I know darn well if we let the government bring in socialized medicine, it will destroy this thing faster than the twin towers came down.” [Applause and cheers]
The Cap And Trade ‘Tax’ Will Kill The American Economy. Audience member: “Do you have any idea what that cap and trade tax thing, bill that you passed is going to do to the Suffolk County poultry industry? That’s how chicken houses are heated, with propane. It outputs CO2. I mean, I’m outputting CO2 right now as I speak. Trees need CO2 to make oxygen! You can’t tax that!”
Global Warming Is A Hoax. Audience member: “I’m actually hopeful that this vote that you made was a vote to put you out of office. [Raucous applause and cheers.] … You know, on this energy thing, I showed you, I had in my email to you numerous times there are petitions signed by 31,000 scientists that that know and have facts that CO2 emissions have nothing to do and the greenhouse effect has nothing to do with global warming. It’s all a hoax! [Applause.] First of all, I cannot for the life of me understand how you could have been one of the eight Republican traitors!” [Applause and whoops.]
Global Warming, Like Darwinian Evolution, Is Just A Theory. Audience member: “It’s still a theory, so is Darwin’s theory of evolution! And yet we have the audacity to say global warming is accurate, it’s more than a theory? How about how cold it’s been this spring. Personal data, data shows that since 1998 average temperatures have been cooling!”
The Swine Flu Epidemic Is A Conspiracy To Force AIDS-Infected Vaccines On The American Public. Audience member: “The virus was built and created in Fort Dix, a small bioweapons plant outside of Fort Dix. This was engineered. This thing didn’t just crop up in a cave or a swine farm. This thing was engineered, the virus. Pasteur International, one of the big vaccine companies in Chicago, has been caught sending AIDS-infected vaccines to Africa. Do you think I trust — I don’t trust you with anything. You think I’m going to trust you to put a needle full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys? Cause that’s what this stuff is grown on, dead babies!”
President Obama Is Not A Citizen Of The United States. Audience member: “Congressman Castle, I want to know. I have a birth certificate here from the United States of America saying I’m an American citizen, with a seal on it. Signed by a doctor, with a hospital administrator’s name, my parents, the date of birth, the time, the date. I want to go back to January 20th and I want to know why are you people ignoring his birth certificate? [Applause and cheers.] He is not an American citizen! He is a citizen of Kenya!” [Applause]
Watch a compilation of YouTube videos from the event:
Rep. Castle and the other Republicans who supported clean energy reform have been branded “cap and traitors.” The Meetup-organized conspiracy theorists attacking them are being fed a constant stream of misinformation and incitement from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Prison Planet, Americans for Prosperity, and the rest of the right-wing machine. Today’s conservative movement refuses to make any room for old school Republicans like Mike Castle.
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Why Rep. Castle would want to remain in a party which has clearly gone over the edge is beyond me. Would any moderate Republican would want to be associated with the wingnuttery these days?
Rep. Castle, come on over to the Democratic’s pool… the water’s fine!
PEACE
July 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am“It’s still a theory, so is Darwin’s theory of evolution! And yet we have the audacity to say global warming is accurate, it’s more than a theory?”
displaying once again cancervatives have a tenuous at best understanding of science. since scientists are reluctant to ever say anything is a fact, they use the word “theory” which means it has been proven to within a hair’s breath of reasonable doubt. what a bunch of bungholes.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am“You think I’m going to trust you to put a needle full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys? Cause that’s what this stuff is grown on, dead babies!”
— Man I have got to meet this person. I love talking with kooks and oddballs…
July 21st, 2009 at 11:51 amIgnorance is a primary requirement of being a Republican
If you show you are willing to use your brain, they brand you a traitor.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:51 amDoctor Frankenstein, your monsters are mobbing.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:52 amI wonder what other bizarre shit old baby juice and monkey kidneys believes…
July 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am“dead baby juice and monkey kidneys?”
There are some weird-assed crackas in Delaware. Woo!
July 21st, 2009 at 11:53 amI’ve taught first graders with better reasoning skills than this group…
July 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am“I have a birth certificate here from the United States of America saying I’m an American citizen, with a seal on it.”
hot damn, that must be one special birth certificate. i’ve never seen a birth certificate that has “american citizen” printed on it.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:55 amYou think I’m going to trust you to put a needle full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys? Cause that’s what this stuff is grown on, dead babies!”
– - These people live among us.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:56 amThis is poetic justice. Republicans surrounded themselves with these rapid right-wingers and now it is pay-back time. The more delusional the right becomes, the more embarassing it is to the moderate GOPers. Already the GOP is a dying breed in the North and soon, the Mid West. The more diverse the country becomes the worst it is to the all-white bread Repug Party. The only hold they have now is the South. Which has the worst pollution, and educational standards. Karma, don’t you think?
July 21st, 2009 at 11:56 amDo you think I trust — I don’t trust you with anything. You think I’m going to trust you to put a needle full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys?
LIKE,WOW! Dead baby juice and monkey kidneys?! If these wingnuts weren’t armed and dangerous this would be some HILARIOUS SHYTE!
July 21st, 2009 at 11:56 amWhere do these people come from? 20% of the Population support the repugs,does that mean 20% of the population are this stupid?
July 21st, 2009 at 11:57 amIt sounds like Castle can expect a primary challenge and in Delaware that would lead to the seat flipping Democratic. It is rather sad that the ranks of moderate Republicans is already down to 8. And from the appearance of things that number is set to decline. Will Castle pull a Spector and switch parties to try and save his seat?
July 21st, 2009 at 11:57 ampsssttt,
July 21st, 2009 at 11:57 amcancervative tools,
if the HIV virus was “engineered”, guess who authorized it? let’s see, who was the president in the early 80’s when HIV infections began to appear in huge number…that’s right, ronnie raygun.
WOW. That’s some scary sht coming out of these idiots mouths. Wurzlebacher around?
July 21st, 2009 at 11:58 amThe sad part is this will get much worse. That rabid 20% bunch are being fed lots of raw meat.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:59 amWhat do we have to do to get this oddities to post here? I have grown tired and bored with the usual set of goofballs. This gang would so much more amusing…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pmI feel sorry for Castle and others who must look out on the crowds they are addressing and see The Dark Ages coming at them full tilt. People at these meeting resemble the zombies of “Night of The Living Dead” and other horror films. They are truly scary in their ignorance.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pmI would like to encourage the Republican Party to expel all moderate infidels like Rep. Castle.
Such a purification could only help America.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pmJust WOW! These people have the right to vote? They shouldn’t have the right to take out the garbage!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pmI love that Rep Castle says “Ok… getting back to Health Care Reform…” just before the video cuts out. :-P
July 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pmI’d like to go to one of these events and ask for signatures from the attendees vowing that neither they nor their family members will ever take advantage of any medical breakthrough that was in any way connected to stem cell research.
These baboons would be the first to cry foul if/when cures are discovered and they weren’t first in line.
Hypocrits!
PEACE
July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pmI wonder if TP had less troll activity on June 30 while that meeting was going on. Coincidence?
July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pmThe Fear machine is running at full steam and these people are all victims of it’s dissemination.
I truly want to laugh at these people, but I feel more sad than humored.
“The key to change… is to let go of fear.” – Rosanne Cash
July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm* * ** *
THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY, 2009
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July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pmThese people are dangerously ignorant and committed, body and soul, to remaining ignorant. We can’t argue with them. We have to outnumber them.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pmThat idiot…errr lady waving the birth certificate said it all. First she went through the birth certificate conspiracy and then immediately after said “I want my freedom back”.
So A) her ‘issues’ have nothing to do with birth certificates just like all the rest of the birthers.
and
B) “I want my freedom back” is Republican code for “I don’t want a black man in the whitehouse”.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pmI just can’t get over how sincere the “dead baby juice and monkey kidneys” sounded.
*shaking head*
July 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pmHey backup. If you are about can you help explain away all this weirdness?
July 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm“petitions signed by 31000 scientists saying CO2 emmissions are a hoax”
Oh Really? Same ’scientists’ who signed the birth certificate petitions I guess. They must all be rocket scientists.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pmThis is the same crowd that Sarah Palin attracted. These people, I don’t know whether to hate them, or feel sorry for them. They seem so miserable, paranoid and delusional. The have no intelligence. They cannot accept basic facts. It is tragic that people from other countries see something like this and think Americans are nothing but stupid, religious ideologues.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pmYou must admit, Zooey—a nice tall, cold glass of dead baby juice sounds pretty refreshing.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmI would like to encourage the Republican Party to expel all moderate infidels like Rep. Castle.
Such a purification could only help America.
Thank you. The Democratic Party would be happy to have him.
Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats don’t require IQ test scores under 40 to join.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmPerfect example of right-wing lemmings that only believe what proven liars like Limpy Limbaugh, Hannity and all the rest of the Reich-wing propagandists have told them to believe.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmThis is just more proof of how ignorant and utterly stupid the ReichWingers are in this country…
…they have less brain power than lab rats.
Not very surprising, I mean, they do vote against their own goodwill.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmI think Dead Baby Juice could be a cool name for a punk band. Doesn’t watchdog have a band…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pmI don’t even know what to say, the stupidity is breathtaking. Too bad these same people have the right to vote.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pmAnyone else think the Democratic Party may be looking pretty good to Rep Castle right now?
July 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pmdbadass says:
What do we have to do to get this oddities to post here? I have grown tired and bored with the usual set of goofballs. This gang would so much more amusing…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
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Are you kidding? Those people ARE the goofballs who troll here. They make the same comments, display the same lack of critical thinking ability, and have the same disconnect with reality.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm*
dbadass,
backup is the weirdness.
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July 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pmwiley says:
You must admit, Zooey—a nice tall, cold glass of dead baby juice sounds pretty refreshing.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Add a little sprig of fresh mint, and that’s a fine afternoon. ;)
July 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pmchiroptera toasterhead
July 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pmSure but when was the last time they cut loose with something as hilarious as dead baby juice and monkey kidneys?
I was watching Obama talking about bipartisanship this morning. All he has to do is look at these type of comments to realize their is and cannot be any bipartisanship. These people will not compromise. Their is nothing to be done. We will have to move the country ahead with out them.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pmSo, was this a coordinated effort by the no nothings or their string pullers? The preemptive move to the pledge of allegience made to squelch all discussion seemed for sure planned in advance.
Watching it was sort of like watching a precursor to the downfall of America and a return to the Dark Ages.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pmQuestion: Which end of the dead baby goes in the juicer first? I didn’t realize that dead babies were even juicy.
PEACE
July 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pmThat’s how chicken houses are heated, with propane. It outputs CO2. I mean, I’m outputting CO2 right now as I speak. Trees need CO2 to make oxygen!
First, how about having government monies available for research and startup equipment to convert chicken manure to electricity to heat those buildings? Second, how about have a conservation program to plant more trees to help convert CO2 to O2? Wait, that would be efficient government and you want small government. Carry on your complaining.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pmThe truly terrifying thing is that the lady with the birth certificate probably home “schools” her kids.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pmP.D. says:
It is tragic that people from other countries see something like this and think Americans are nothing but stupid, religious ideologues.
Actually… *we did, when you guys (I mean the population in general, not TP regulars) voted for Bush. TWICE. After Obama, we think you guys are finally getting smarter.
*(And by “we” I mean myself)
July 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pmspencers mom says:
Question: Which end of the dead baby goes in the juicer first? I didn’t realize that dead babies were even juicy.
PEACE
July 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
You have to leave them in the sun for a couple days.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pmA little knowledge is a dangerous thing and these people have about as “little” as is humanly possible.
Obviously many childrens got “left behind” in Delaware.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pmKeep in mind, these are the people who voted for The Worst President Ever™…TWICE.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pmZooey says:
You have to leave them in the sun for a couple days.
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww… yuckers…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pmI saw that clip last night on Olbermann. That crazy lady looked like she was going to hyperventilate. Then forcing everyone into saying the pledge of allegance!? Seriously.
Rep. Castle should have shown some guts and told her to mind her place in the meeting – but I think they were all afraid of being lynched.
Who wants to represent that bunch of crackpots?
July 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pmShorter GOP: “HOW IS BABBY JUICEd?”
July 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmGood advice, Zooey. I’m just slapping my forehead for not juicing all of my abortions. Bet it freezes well, too.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmThese clips certainly validate the urgent need of universal health care!
There’s obviously a rabies epidemic in the Delaware parrot population.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pmThe Republic of Stupidity says:
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww… yuckers…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
And people think only guys are gross. ;)
July 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmJust when I think Republinuts cannot be any dumber, they surprise me again.
They seem to relish in their ignorance.
You just can’t fix STUPID.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmOhhhh wiley, I hadn’t thought of freezing…thanks!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pmThank goodness I’m Canadian….don’t have to deal with these nut fu**en heads.
The scary part…there next door to Canada. Fu**!!!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pm31,000?
I had no idea that the oil companies employed that many propagandists. No wonder gas costs so much.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmHow could Rep. Castle not say, “I represent the whole state, not just you sick freaks” and walk out of the room. Anyone who tolerates their batscat is culpable in any damage they cause as they continue to snap, one by one.
And if it isn’t stopped by those who might still be able to reach the lunatics? It will be gangs of them snapping all at once. I know that’s what some of them want but I would hope Rep. Castle and the other, seemingly, sane ones try to quell the hate and rage. Leading a group screaming the Pledge of Allegiance is just too frightening and it validates their rabid behavior.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmWOW!
I mean
WOW!!!
Now, we here have sometimes jokingly painted the right wing base as “mullet headed, NASCAR worshiping, God fearing, gun toting, Busch Light drinking, trailer trash imbeciles”, whose IQs were equivalent to the number of digits lost in an M-80 mishap.
Truthfully, from my experience, conservatives and moderates are mostly intelligent college graduates, who make good money, but who are blindsided by tax cuts and self preservation, and screw the rest (poor).
This thread proves just how wrong I am!
Dead baby juice? C’mon! Everyone knows us tree-huggin’, pot smoking, dirty hippies prefer LIVE baby juice!!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmHealth care is an economic issue:
companies cannot compete when so much of their earnings are directed towards health insurance for their employees
Health care is a national security issue:
an unhealthy society is vulnerable to attack from within and without
Health care is a moral issue:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pmletting people die because they can’t afford to see a doctor is cruel and inhumane
Vaccine scientists: “Noooooo!!! Drat, I told you not to use dead baby juice! The Upstanding Citizens of Delaware have discovered our secret! The sting of Justice, indeed!”
“And I would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for those MEDDLING True Americans!”
That’ll learn ‘em… Pasteur, is that French? French, science, and AIDS, probably ACORN and Code Pink, too, anti-troops. Oh and Barney Frank. Pinko blogs kill troops, you know… unlike KBR.
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And that birth certificate says more than that. It says SOVEREIGN CITIZEN, that the Fed is a scam, and Obama is an alien!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pmInteresting that the lady has a “birth certificate here from the United States of America.” Was she born in a National Park? On a military base?
Otherwise, her birth certificate would be issued by a municipal or state authority, just like everyone else.
What is so odd about these people is that they wholeheartedly oppose issuance of a federal ID, or ‘national identity card.’ A federal ID could so much more easily establish nationality than the mishmash of parish records, state drivers license, heresay and whimsy that governs the US identity process today.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pmNOLIESPLEASE
That’s funny. Who’d want to be within a million miles of these crazys. They are dangerous – I wonder if they’ll be buying new pickups so they can get a new AK47 with it. These are the kinds of people who would.
Thank god I’m in CA and as far away from these nuts as possible. Of course we have our loons here too.
I think they all need public healthcare so they can get back on their meds.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pmGeez, every time I reread this article, I start feeling like I am on the freeper (freerepublic.com) web site. /shudder
July 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pmWTF is “dead baby juice”? Rep. Castle doesn’t push back too much on these freaks because he knows that the only people these nuts listen to are the radio hosts and FOX. And the conservative shock jocks constantly are telling their audience that they can’t trust anyone else.
But you know, where I come from, when someone tells you you can’t talk to anyone else, that just makes you a b!tch.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pmshoeless says:
31,000?
I had no idea that the oil companies employed that many propagandists. No wonder gas costs so much.
That number has been popping up recently but I’ve yet to see the list or any reliable source claiming to have seen it. The one that has been released has 700 signatures, since 1998, and has such luminaries as Ken Ham and Michael Behe. It’s a collection of energy industry shills, cranks, crack pots, and creationists.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pmYou think I’m going to trust you to put a needle full of dead baby juice and monkey kidneys? Cause that’s what this stuff is grown on, dead babies!”
And to think that these people are allowed to vote.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pmThis crowd reminds me of a woman interviewed at a McCain rally last year. She was up in arms because if Obama was elected, “he’s going to make all the women wear burquas!” I’d love to find her and ask her what happened to her burqua theory. Absolutely stunning in their ignorance and stupidity. And just when you think you’ve heard it all, someone comes along with “dead baby juice”. To think I was worried we’d have nothing to laugh at after W left office…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pmThe chain is only as strong as the weakest link, and this illustrates just how weak the US intelligence is.
These lunatics need to be reminded that they are free to leave. The majority of the voters didn’t even question citizenship, so if you don’t think he’s legit, leave, be gone, go away. The IQ of the nation will instantly rise.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pmI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This country needs to start packing up and moving around accordingly so we can dissolve.
You people registered on this site who have liberal ideals need to start realizing that we simply cannot continue to exist in this country when people like those quoted in this article also exist within the very same boundaries.
There is such a thing as healthy competition and disagreements, but not when two sides are just such polar opposites. We can’t progress anywhere when we have people like this living in the same country together with us, and we’re perpetually locked in a tug-of-war.
It’d be one thing to say “global warming isn’t going as fast as you say it is,” and have the other side say, “yes it is,” but it’s something else entirely when you have one side that refuses to even believe global warming is real in the first place. Um, I’m sorry, but if you go to an industrial town and you look at the pollution they spew into the air or into the streams nearby, don’t you dare come back and tell me that we’re not doing at least SOME damage.
We can’t continue to exist together. United we stand? Not when the two sides are so opposite that you have liberals with similar ideals to the Netherlands and conservatives with similar ideals to Saudi Arabia. There is just no way to reconcile this country anymore. Obama has basically proved that through his constant bending to right-wing pressure.
I say we dissolve. I say we all move to the New England area or the West Coast and secede. Watch “conservative America” tear itself apart, as we laugh at them with our universal healthcare and clean energy plants and sustainable lifestyles.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pmAlternate reality is one scary damn place! Thank goodness I live in the real world with all of it’s liberal bias!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pmI am headed to the beach for the week. We usually have margaritas and mojitos but if someone knows what mixes well with dead baby juice, I am all ears… I am all out of monkey kidneys so I suppose I will have to garnish the glasses with bonobo spleen wedges…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pmYep, that’s the base the GOP has worked so hard and long to nurture alright.
Ignorant, bigoted, anti-science, prone to believe in conspiracy theories, and an overall poor grasp of current events -all of which I suspect go hand in hand with deep religiosity.
I hope the GOP keeps catering to this crowd, until Republican becomes synonymous with freak show -if it isn’t already .
July 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pmWho would take them? Most countries have standards.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:48 pm“Congressman Castle, I want to know. I have a birth certificate here from the United States of America saying I’m an American citizen, with a seal on it. Signed by a doctor, with a hospital administrator’s name, my parents, the date of birth, the time, the date.
Hey, dinglefritz, I’ve got one of those too. It was issued by the hospital and it will not be sufficient to get you a passport, should you ever work up the nerve to leave the country. For that you need an official document from a local government, not a hospital. The United States of America does not issue birth certificates.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:49 pmGeorgetown is in the southern part of Delaware which is very red neck republican. So this video is no surprise. Castle had to know what he was getting himself into by going there. Most of these people are trailer trash morons who have never voted for a democrat in their lives and never will. Then you add that Obama is black on top of that. They are ready to explode with anger.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pmMike Castle is from a dying breed…intellectual, socially moderate, pro-business, pro-middle class Northeast Republicans. Delaware has a history of sending these types (Castle, Du Pont, Roth) to Congress.
Don’t expect him to pull a Specter. If anything, this kind of insanity would quicken his decision to retire in 2010 rather than run for the Senate. It’s not that he’d have problems with the rabid right in the primary (here’s looking at you, Christine O’Donnell), it’s that he would have lost the heart for public service.
Godspeed and Farewell, Mr. Castle. The state will see your Congressional seat in the capable hands of John Carney and that nice Biden-y senate seat will have a fresh, new Biden occupying it for years to come.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmAgainst all odds, they are actually less frightening when they’re rolling on the floor speaking in tongues.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:54 pmWho is ignoring President Obama’s birth certificate? I’ve seen it, and so has the Supreme Court. It says Hawaii, not Kenya.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:54 pmI knew it was a bad idea to dispose of that old VX in the Delaware Bay…
July 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pmI like how the birthers ignore the fact, that Obama’s mother being a citizen of the US also makes Obama a citizen of the US. I am leaving the natural born part aside for obvious reasons.
July 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pmThe fact that they believe global warming equates with a universal rise in temperature shows just how ignorant they are. If they did any research at all, they would know that drastic climate changes, as in hotter in cold areas, colder in hot areas, increased storm activity, and changes in ocean currents, are the result of global warming, and these things are happening as we speak.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pmMr. Burns,
They could all move to Texas.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmYou reap what you sow.
It started with pundit assumptions that Obama would socialize everything and drive America into chaos.
Guess what? Because those pundits were allowed to spout whatever they believed without some sort of retribution, the American people got used to the practice, understanding that there is no punishment for those who crack off baseless conspiracy theories.
You reap what you sow.
Now the GOP is going to have to refute each of these conspiracies everywhere they go. For once, I tend to agree with Rush Limbaugh when he told us that the GOP doesn’t need a listening tour. However, I believe it is due to the fact that everything they listen to will be nothing but exaggerations of the misinformation that they considered.
Of course, that in itself could be my conspiracy theory…
July 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmHe is not an American citizen!
He is a citizen of Kenya!
The birth announcement in the Hawaii paper was PLANTED there in 1961 by people who knew that in 47 years, this newborn baby would be running for President!
I can’t access the YouTube video here at work. Was this questioner frothing at the mouth?
July 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmBecause I can’t see the videos, can someone tell me if Castle had, at any time, an expression on his face suggesting that he couldn’t believe he represents these idiots?
July 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pmThese nut jobs seem to be clinically insane.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pmAre the insane allowed to vote?
misscoleopteramolly says:
I can’t access the YouTube video here at work. Was this questioner frothing at the mouth?
They were all frothing except for Castle who looked like he wished to be anywhere else. The transcript is pretty much the whole thing. But the scariest part, to me, is at the very end.
The lady who was holding up her birth certificate demanded that the whole crowd say the Pledge of Allegiance. They screamed like a bunch of Nazis at a rally. Especially the “UNDER GOD”!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pmmisscoleopteramolly says:
Because I can’t see the videos, can someone tell me if Castle had, at any time, an expression on his face suggesting that he couldn’t believe he represents these idiots?
He wore a very pained expression throughout and, to his credit, boldly stated that President Obama is a U.S. citizen and there’s nothing to the birther crap. But, of course, they were not convinced.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:14 pmOh, I get it (duh). These people are hysterical.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Palin rallies redux.
If anyone who believed a hoax and voted that way is a traitor, what of the “we must invade Iraq, but it will be easy” drum beaters?
And I love how they call out Castle for bad science or judgment, due to a “cold spring” and “personal data.” I have shoes and socks on, most people I see have shoes and socks on… the whole world has access to adequate footwear! Every country. And cell phones, credit cards…
July 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pmWow, I am almost speechless about the stupidty going on in this country. Limbaugh and beck and hannity need to be taken off the air if they are going to incite people into a frenzy like this with unsubstantiated facts.
These people made me embarrassed to be an american.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm@90
July 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pmIt’s so clear now! Everyone accepted and coddled multi-racial babies in 1961. Pre-emptive affirmative action.
Oh, you’ll never believe this!
I thought about going to some websites these guys would say, but who needs stringent research like that!
The thing is… Obama isn’t REAL. He’s CGI all the way! 40 years ago they faked the moon landing, now with much more tech they just made up this atheist Sharia guy! They had holograms on CNN, right? Think about it… hoax! Have you ever shook his hand? Didn’t think so! And all those “rallies,” where he gives high fives or hugs… well those are just false memories from the innoculations and satellite beams!
I refuse to be governed by someone without a current body, besides Jesus!
July 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pmAs a former Republican, I can sympathize with Rep. Castle. The lunatics have taken over the GOP.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pmNormally, I’d say ignore those like that mob in DE and move on. But this is frightening. Its people like these extremists that tend to act upon their beliefs with violent and tragic consequences. And thats what really scares me.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pmMy personal observation thus far would be this:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:39 pmFirst, Republicans are damn sorry losers.
Secondly, their hatred filled vile repugnant racist attitudes cannot be masked by conspiracy theories.
The can not stand the fact that an Afro-American is President.
That is just plain fact, and the State of the Republican Wingnuts.
Georgetown?
I was gonna suggest it be renamed Simpleton, but on second thought, Georgetown is fitting.
What a bunch of fu(king maroons!
July 21st, 2009 at 1:40 pmdbadass says:
chiroptera toasterhead
Sure but when was the last time they cut loose with something as hilarious as dead baby juice and monkey kidneys?
July 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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Ok, good point… :)
July 21st, 2009 at 1:49 pmHey! Is the lady in green Tracy_5? The large lady, with the recorder, who’s concerned about chicken farmers.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pmAh. What would the Republicans do all day if they didn’t have fear to spin? Just think of the things they might accomplish…
July 21st, 2009 at 2:14 pmYikes!! I hope these people can’t breed.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:26 pmThe best thing about dead baby juice is after you have squeezed out all the juice, you can grind the rest into baby powder. And baby blankets, where do you think baby blankets come from?
Dead baby juice and monkey kidneys. That quote is classic. You can’t make this shit up.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pmIf that woman has a birth certificate from the USA, I want to see it. Mine has the name of the city and state on it. She could make thousands, possibly, millions if she puts it on ebay. LOL.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:47 pmThye’re HIS constituents. Unless he condones this kind of thinking he should drop his GOP affiliation. If I were him, I’d leave these lunatics in the dust.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:53 pmI wouldn’t worry too much about these nuts. There may be a few murders, but still we are not even approaching the national tension and violence that we suffered in 1968. These people are not capable of being more outwardly organized than they are organized on the inside—on the inside they are severely disordered. Law enforcement will take care of any transgressions, and we average citizens not only outnumber the kooks, but are more capable.
They are tearing each other apart now—just the kind of cannibalism I expected to see when the Republican party started losing.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:35 pmnanlichi says:
“The best thing about dead baby juice is after you have squeezed out all the juice, you can grind the rest into baby powder. And baby blankets, where do you think baby blankets come from?”
Don’t forget that dead baby juice makes a great mixer! I like mine on the rocks with vodka and a twist of lime.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:43 pmwiley says:
I wouldn’t worry too much about these nuts. There may be a few murders, but still we are not even approaching the national tension and violence that we suffered in 1968.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html
July 21st, 2009 at 3:43 pmI saw the clip and the woman birther was clearly agitated about the issue. The Republicans made a deal with the devil and now they can’t get out of it. The moderate Republicans do not have any influence in the party and the right wing fanatics are going to tear the GOP apart. Let us hope this goes well into the 2010 elections and beyond.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:15 pmI wish I could share your optimism, wiley, and I try to be pretty optimistic.
I don’t think we can afford to ignore the inherent risk of civil strife. Our country is in a state of dramatic tension and the result is very much in doubt.
The Reichwhiners are still shocked and disorganized but that just adds to the tension. They appear to be dividing up the remaining power of the movement and are pushing out anyone not radical enough, like Rep. Castle. Just as a general observation; it seems like the crowds are getting smaller, louder, and more exclusive even to include age or an individual church.
When crowds stop bringing their kids along is when we should prepare for trouble. And I’ve been seeing a lot of right-wing crowds with no kids.
I try to maintain an air of grim good humor about them but I think it’s a mistake to let amusement make us less vigilant.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:17 pmI guess the part that I find most disturbing is that the people who should be controlling the crowds have lost control. That’s when crowds turn into mobs and mobs can turn deadly with no particular provocation.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pmDead Baby Juice…MMMM MMMMM. Wakes you right up in the morning, (and is nutritionally balanced).
I just can’t take it seriously.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:29 pmI thought that intentionally inciting desention through lies and slander was a treasonous offense.
Maybe not.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:38 pmThis is the reason that Americans have fought and died.I find it difficult to accept such a statement but thats what some would say.However,these people need a swift kick in the ass.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pmMr. Burns – West Coast for sure – here in the People’s Republic of Portland (not to mention Eugene) we have a good start. And I would love to see our local anti-tax, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-free speech idiots go away. Along with the kicker – the stupidest tax policy every invented by a right winger.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:10 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hi crazy person…
July 21st, 2009 at 5:28 pmSo did you get yourself and your kids their shots or not? F ucking whack jobs…
July 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pmIf that’s the slogan you want chanted by your party? Have at it, thoughtfulmom, and thoughtful humans from around the globe will ridicule you. “Baby juice” is technically incorrect and no amount of emotional ranting will change that.
As for the birther’s conspiracy, I’m convinced by the preponderance of the evidence from all sources that our President is who he says he is and was born where he said he was born. You have been provided numerous links to diverse sources that have satisfied the House and Senate and Supreme Court et al.
If that doesn’t convince you? Consider this.
It’s not like he hasn’t been examined by the Secret Service, the FBI, DHS, and lord knows how many federal and/or military agencies. They don’t hand out security clearance because someone won an election. Anyone who is cleared, whether a military officer, Senator, or the President, has passed the highest level of official scrutiny. Anyone within pissing distance of the Presidency is scrutinized at all levels of government and law enforcement.
One might get away with a sexual dalliance or illicit sin but, it strains credulity to assert that someone could fake their identity and/or citizenship.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:38 pmLooks like he found the way to the RETARD FACTORY.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:40 pmthoughtfulmom,
All human cells are diploid cells, except the gametes. They are not only found in aborted fetuses.
Now it’s the long form, huh? Produce yours.
You’re the idiot.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pmIt seems that any plan which could decrease the power and profit of the drug companies, medical aaociation or health insurance companies are attacked by the Republicans as being a disaster. Our current system is a disaster so why don’t we try something different ?
July 21st, 2009 at 6:13 pmEven if Mr.Obama were born in Africa(which he was not),he would still be a US citizen because his mother was a citizen and had lived in the US for five years.Check the UScode on that. This is truly a stupid discussion.To thoughtfulmom-try to avoid being GUS-Gullible,Uninformed,andStupid.You can do it if you try.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well golly, thoughtfulmom, you’re the one who called us all idiots before even asking for our arguments and, when those arguments were presented? You simply ignored them.
The reason that vault copies are never removed from their vault is because that would break the evidence chain, so to speak, and would open questions about the authenticity of the document returned to the vault.
There is some variation among states but the bottom line is that we elect and/or appoint guardians of said vaults and it’s their sworn duty to verify and protect the authenticity and sanctity of official documents. It’s against the law to “produce the long form” as you wish and, as stated earlier, the standards of the State of Hawaii have satisfied every authority that has checked up on Obama including those we can only surmise like when he got his security clearance.
I might add that I needed a new registered copy of my birth certificate a couple years ago and I wasn’t even allowed to touch the vault copy. Plus the registered copy now uses a different font and format than way back when I was born or when I had to start establishing my adult identity. And yet that copy is official proof of my identity that would even meet the standards to satisfy the citizenship requirements of the POTUS.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:01 pmthoughtfulmom,
You have shown your true colors here with your language. I won’t bother going into your “brother” reference, and chalk it up to failed humor.
What I did want to address was your silly evidence that his Birth certificate was a fake. It did not say “African American”, it said “African”. This makes perfect sense because he WAS African, not African American. He was from Kenya. Why they didn’t put Kenyan? I can’t answer that. Take a look at his Birth certificate
I don’t even know why I wasted the energy, since I am sure you will continue to believe whatever you choose.
From my point of view, I don’t really care as long as he does a good job. I think the requirement is quite silly to begin with. Some of the people that appreciate being an American are people who had to work to get here in the first place. Being a citizen yes, being born here should not be a requirement.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pmMust be the ‘northern’ branch of the family from “Deliverance”. And I see their maternal leader, who’s the grandpubah over at Edna’s beauty shop & chainsaw repair, singin’ her hawg callin’, mezzo-soprano, tirades at his worshipful, honor, and tellin’ it like it ’tis. (Was she born in a cave behind a waterfall?)
July 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pmthoughtful(ofshit)mom Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:00 pmFunny. My husband never asks for a second cup of dead baby juice at home.
All if these hate filled comments just goes to prove that if you oppose the Democrat party line in any way you are called a nutcase or worse. Over and over this is the case. I guess only certain people matter and should be heard.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:21 pmHate? No. At least not from me. I do, however, plead guilty to having no patience left for liars, fools, and fools who spread lies because they are too foolish to realize they are fools who have been lied to.
Unless you are talking about the hate that drips from every word of these birther freaks? Then, yes, there’s lots of hate in that clip.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pmSorry to be a bummer, but I’m new here.
Still, I’m interested in finding out how many of you people laughing at these nuts and making fun of them have something to shoot back with when they start shooting at you? At the rate they’re buying up guns and ammunition, I’m not joking. I live among these people, and you can hardly even find .22 long rifle and the price for everything else has tripled or quadrupled! ACHTUNG!! It’s liable to get real, folks. Seriously real, maybe.
Most police and pretty large segments of the armed forces will, of course, be on their side when this goes down.
I’m just asking, because being of less than average intelligence doesn’t make these people any less dangerous. In fact, I suspect that some kind of inverse square law is at work here, and as their intelligence halves, their dangerousness is squared.
For a certain degree of scientific verification of this theory, please see the following study, which might as well be the handbook for the Republican Party:
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Cornell University
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
July 21st, 2009 at 10:18 pmcec says:
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Even if Mr.Obama were born in Africa(which he was not),he would still be a US citizen because his mother was a citizen and had lived in the US for five years.Check the UScode on that
Well, you started off your post quite intelligently, so I’ll respond to this part and ignore the rest.
I, like you, thought the “birthers” must be crazy as well because I remember being taught that if you had at least one parent that was an American, then you were an American. That is in fact the law as it stands for those born today, I believe. However, the law regarding citizenship has changed a few times over the years. The problem is that when Obama was born, the law at that time stated that to be a U.S. Citizen if only one of your parents was American, then that parent had to live in the United States at least ten years, FIVE OF WHICH had to be after age 16. Obama’s mother was only 18 at his birth, so there is no way she meets the five year requirement. That is why the focus is on whether or not he was born in Hawaii as he contends, or in Kenya as his grandmother contends. Can you think of any reason his grandmother would have to lie?
Yes, DanCaveman, you are right:It did not say “African American”, it said “African”. This makes perfect sense because he WAS African.
I apologize for this mistake. I was going off memory which is a bit fuzzy at the moment as I have a child that has just had a tonsilectomy from the healthcare system that is about to be socialized, so I haven’t had much rest to think clearly since I have had to administer pain medicine around the clock.
But, even if though it does say African, African in not a RACE. If someone asked my race, I would not say American. Neither would you, I’d imagine. You would state your race, which at the time for Obama’s father, would be one of the choices I mentioned. I can tell from your vocabulary you are able to grasp this. It is just difficult to swallow, I imagine because you are hearing it for the first time and you would rather it not be the case.
“From my point of view, I don’t really care as long as he does a good job. I think the requirement is quite silly to begin with. Some of the people that appreciate being an American are people who had to work to get here in the first place. Being a citizen yes, being born here should not be a requirement”
See, I believe this statement comes from the part of you that can see I have a valid point, so then, well, even if it is true I don’t agree it should be that way anyway. Aesop wrote a fable about this coping tactic about a fox that couldn’t reach a bunch of grapes and so he states “they are probably sour anyway.”
You have shown your true colors here with your language. I won’t bother going into your “brother” reference, and chalk it up to failed humor.
I apologize for this remark as well. I am not used to conversing with someone who refers to himself as a “badass” so I was doing the best I could to reach out to his form of understanding, but perhaps I did that badly.
There are reasons the framers put restrictions as to who could be president. And yes, if born today, Obama would legally be able to run for office if he was born in Kenya. But we cannot just bend our rules to accomodate our feelings for the moment. If we ignore the rule of law, then we become something quite different as a nation.
pete says:
Well golly, thoughtfulmom, you’re the one who called us all idiots before even asking for our arguments and, when those arguments were presented? You simply ignored them.
Well, actually, I never called anyone an idiot. I asked, “Who are the idiots now?” If you saw yourself in the answer to that question, maybe you are telling yourself something. I would like you to point out any arguments presented that I have ignored. Also, I am quite sure the president could get a copy of his birth certificate if he requested it to be released. Surely you don’t believe he can’t.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pmTo thoughtfulmom-If you go to factcheck.org and check Mr. Obamas birth certificate you will find that his father is listed as an African not Arican-American.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pmopps-
Opps-African-American
July 21st, 2009 at 10:47 pmif you don’t think your gov’t will keep secrets and inject you with something, remember the experiments the gov’t did on the military with LSD. and remember the blacks in Alabama who had an std and the gov’t didn’t allow treatments,just to find out what the disease would do to the human body.. yes vaccines are made using many disgusting things.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:49 pmmany man made drugs are…and they aren’t so humane in the ingredients ………
about the certificate of live birth…why is Obama’s father listed as African,that isn’t a race it is a nationality , my birth certificate states my father was negro ,in 1962, and that is how his father should be listed as well in 1961.
Obama could not hold office without a live birth in Hawaii..
he has to have been a Natural Born Citizen..that hasn’t change nor will it..McCain was born on a base that was considered American soil I still question why Obama supported a resolution making McCain a citizen.. Obama was the supporter of such a bill to change that.. he is also the supporter of a bill that was put on the back burner that would do away with term limits for a president.Like Chavez did. and Reyala tried to do.
I think you are hiding behind semantic irrelevancies but, so be it. In my experience one doesn’t begin a conversation with new people with “who are the idiots now?” without a presumption that those addressed are said idiots. Perhaps I quibble.
And? I’m not sure which evidence you’ve ignored but with the variety of evidence presented by me and others, with links, throughout this thread one must be ignoring something to persist with the pursuit of this mad conspiracy theory. But I’ll try and hit the highlights in no particular order.
I’ll start with Snopes and Factcheck. They include photos that include the creases, raised stamp, and appropriate signatures in the appropriate places on the back.
Then there’s the simple fact that registered copies of birth certificates are prima facie evidence and proof positive of identification. It’s the same standard used by the military, police departments, and for employment at government agencies.
The fact that then Senator and now President Obama satisfied the requirements for security clearance long before he was even known nationally.
The numerous court complaints that have been dismissed when said courts were assured by Hawaiian officials as to the questioned document’s authenticity.
Birth announcements from two different papers.
No. He can’t simply remove a government document from a vault. Once the birth certificate leaves the vault, however, it’s no longer valid. As long as it’s safe where it belongs crackpots can continue to bring suit and courts will continue to make official inquiries, will continue to be satisfied with the President’s identity and citizenship, and will continue to dismiss the cases as frivolous and without merit.
Once every “aggrieved” party has had their case thrown out by every court they approach it will fizzle out. And the birthers still won’t believe a word of the truth despite all evidence. For them, objective reality has become a fairy tale.
Finally. If you want Congress to pass a law or Amendment that requires every federal office holder should physically deliver all proofs of identification to an authority established by law? I might even support it. But I don’t think it would be practical, needed, or retroactive.
So please forgive me for calling the whole thing a fool’s errand but, I speak truth bluntly. Besides which, recent research suggests that humoring people with delusions doesn’t do anyone any good.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pmI hope thoughtfulmom comes back… I’ve got king crab thoughtfulmom….
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 amThoughtful Mom, There are many reasons why we believe that the president was born in this country. Please check out this site as the pictures of his birth certificate are very clear. There are a
also pictures of the birth announcement from the 1961 newspaper.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Also the Governor of HI, Linda Lingle and the head of the HI Dept of Health have also said that it is true that he was born there.
It is against the law in HI to release the long form of his birth certificate.
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
So, unless you think that all of these people are lying to cover something up I can’t imagine why you would need more proof.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 amThis is what happens when college drop outs like Limbaugh and Beck are the primary news source for thousands of Americans. The good news is that it sounds like they are all going to refuse the swine flu vaccine.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 ampjkool…Not just Beck and Limbaugh, but Hannity and Rove are also college dropouts.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 amWow. As scary as those audience members are, it’s even scarier that they’re allowed to vote.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 amYou left wingers kill me. What you say on these boards is just unbelievable and frankly boarder on treason. Freedom of speach was given to you by the blood and lives of brave men before you. Yet you use that freedom to tear down the very walls of freedom that protects you. I don’t get it. All I can do is prepare for the worst and hope for the best……
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 amIf civil war 2 comes about I would remember one little statistic that does not put you in a good situation. 93% of all gun owners are conservative politically. Good luck…..
Hi HossInReno…
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 amHello dBadass
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 amthoughtfulmom says:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Change your moniker. It’s a lie.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 amfrom the “right wing-nuts”quoted in the article
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 amand the left wing drivel in the comments afterward
i am reminded of the young obama supporter who said
during the campaign “i luv obama,he gonna pay my
mo’gage an’ put gas in my ca’ an everthins gonna
be ok from now on”(loosely quoted).it sure
looks to me like there is more than enough blind
stupidity to go around.
keep in mind,we’re all in this mess together.
welcome to the plantation.
It wouldn’t matter what sort of proof Obama produced, these idiots would declare it insufficient, forged, fake, and any witnesses produced are paid off. It’s good President Obama is no longer trying to appease these nuts.
It’s not the birth certificate — it’s the fact that Barack Obama is a black man in the White House.
They can’t admit to themselves that they actually are every bit as racist as a neo-nazi or the KKK — they just don’t parade around with swastika flags or in white robes and pointy hats — so they justify their racism by concentrating on the birth certificate.
Let’s not call them “birthers,” let’s use the proper term.
RACIST.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 amAs a part-time resident of Castle’s district and one who finds the right-wing nut hysteria not only crazy, but dangerous – please thank Congressman Castle for rejecting the Obama citizenship nonsense and for his vote on the energy bill. If we lose moderate republicans like Castle the party is destined to be overtaken by the likes of Rush, Hannity and those at those featured at the Georgetown Town hall.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 amdewey1 says:
If we lose moderate republicans like Castle the party is destined to be overtaken by the likes of Rush, Hannity and those at those featured at the Georgetown Town hall.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 am
I do thank Rep Castle for his moderate views, and admire his forbearance in dealing with these constituents.
Sadly, the Republican party has already been taken over by Limbaugh, Hannity, and their followers.
The Republican party is dead. It just hasn’t fallen over yet.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:40 amI take offense to the #7 comment by the Black racist Zooey. “Weird-assed crackas in Delaware Woo” I believe ‘cracka’ or cracker is a racial epithet. Or perhaps this hypocrite believes only “the Man” can exhibit racism. I am curious what the “Woo” means, however. Please explain the Woo thing to me before the ban please.
I voted for Clinton 2x and he balanced the budget with the pressure of bipartisan concord coalition. The thrust of this article and website is to run down Republicans and paint them as deluded wackos. I support Evolution the scientific reality of global warming and am a conservative and an independent. Obama thinks he can increase entitlements and run massive deficits with no repercussions; he is on the path to destroying our economy. The day the Chinese stop buying our Treasuries is the day the fantasy camp ends.
July 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 amI am sure this means nothing to the blind race-obsessed blockheads that spew ebonics infused vitriol, but it should. Because someone will have to pay for the Trillion dollar hole Saint Obama is digging.
I agree their is enough stupid to go around; however, it seems that the conservative brand of crazy has made great strides into the conservative mainstream. I fully admit that I may be biased, but when I look at the talking points from prominent leaders – NOT BLOGGERS – like congressmen, senators, and those with a national platform, I don’t see the kind of blindness to facts and unwillingness to work together on the progressive side as I do on the conservative side.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 amBy the way thoughtfulmom,
Not that it will do any good because I am sure you will find some other reason to reinforce your “birther” views, but African is not a “nationality”. There is not a NATION of Africa.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 amSpendocrats,
You sound like someone that can participate in a fruitful discussion. I agree with many of your points about over spending and the treasury bonds we are paying out. The problem is that in order to re-wire and re-tool our economy. I don’t think our “stimulus” was spent in the best way possible; however, I do think we needed the government to step in with massive funding (much for projects that it should have been doing all along – roads, schools, hospitals, alternative energy….). If you look at the great depression, you can see that FDRs spending made an instant turnaround and declined when he pulled back a bit in 1937. Yes, WWII helped pull us out, but it wasn’t just because of a war (or else we would be doing fabulous now), it was because everyone was employed and everyone was sacrificing.
Anyway, I don’t have time to have the valuable discussion here, but keep in mind that people here are responding to (what I hope you would agree) silly claims by people that are not interested in finding solutions, but are more concerned with their hatred for Obama or some other driving force. This thread was not a discussion on policy.
Keep looking for solutions and be willing to listen (even if you don’t agree) and I will try to do the same.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 amSome observations from someone who has been active in social justice and environmental causes, and who has run for office (successfully at the moment — I’m on the School Board) a few times as a Green, a Democrat, and an independent:
1) The Republicans don’t have a lock on conspiracy nuts. There is a good balance between followers of both parties. When you go to Democratic Party public events, you hear barrages about Dick Cheney personally operating the remote controls that destroyed the World Trade Center and that you’re a traitor for ignoring the overwhelming evidence. You hear that Reagan started the crack epidemic. You even get a lot of agreement with the right-wing nuts, on matters like poisoned vaccines and Israel controlling America, all delivered with the same vehemence.
2) It’s not so simple to dismiss conspiracy nuts, because the government has done so many dangerous things in secret. There were venereal disease experiments, forced sterilizations, even the release of germs in the NYC subways and years of blood tests by physicians on unwitting New Yorkers to track it. Wars have been started on CIA and Pentagon lies about events and threats that never happened. The list goes on and on. It’s been done under Democrat presidents as well as Republicans. All of it sounded nuts until it was exposed. If we want fewer conspiracy nuts, we have to do something to stop the government from doing things that give them good reason to wonder what else is going on. Neither Democrats or Republicans in office, be they “moderates” or “extremists” or anything in between, show the least interest in doing that.
3. No, moderate Republicans should not defect and join the Democrats. The Democratic Party has moved so far to the right over the last 20 years that the real moderate Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller and Richard Nixon now look like free-spending social liberals that today’s “centrist” Democrats would consider to be in the same camp as Dennis Kucinich. Leave their “moderates” where they are, or else the one-party rule (Corporatists in both parties) we’ve been under for decades now will not only go on indefinitely, but will continue to drift further and further to the right. Stop inviting these people to further right-up the already probably irretrievable Democratic Party, unless a Democratic Party controlled by Blue Dogs and “moderate” Republicans and their Wall Street Democrat allies is what you want to be governed by forever. I don’t.
4. Those right-wing nuts are heavily armed, and becoming more so every day (the terrifying sales data over the last six months have been discussed amply in the media). Now and then one of them pulls the trigger. They are under heavy provocation all day long from Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, O’Reilly, and the other fascist media jihadists, and all it takes is for one of them to have a bad day. With so many millions of them out there, and unemployment soaring, the odds that one of them will have a bad day on any given day is actually pretty good. Being convinced that someone is actively destroying America is a powerful motivation — these people are extremely wrapped up in what they perceive as their patriotism. Don’t make sport of this situation.
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:16 amSpendocrats says:
I take offense to the #7 comment by the Black racist Zooey. “Weird-assed crackas in Delaware Woo” I believe ‘cracka’ or cracker is a racial epithet. Or perhaps this hypocrite believes only “the Man” can exhibit racism. I am curious what the “Woo” means, however. Please explain the Woo thing to me before the ban please.
July 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 am
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Shut up, you stupid cracker.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 amEgad! These wingnuts just prove how right I was to sell my father’s house in Delaware when he died and get the heck back to Minnesota as fast as I could. And now y’all have me thinking a tall, cool Dead Baby Julep would be mighty tasty, too.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmThe “31,000 signatures” is almost certainly a reference to the Oregon Petition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pmcaveman: Wow. Actual useful dialogue. I didn’t expect that. Yes. We did need some stimulus package to not freeze credit markets and stop economic tailspin. I like the education and environmental values Obama promotes, but I am not sure he can deliver everything without crushing deficits. Lets face it Dems and Reps both blow our social security taxes each year like a drunken sailor or a crack ho(zooey). (I add that imagery so white and black racists can get a grip on the concept. You see the sailor is white and the crack ho is black: race baters need imagery to help them think. “Its like pretty pictures in one of them word books”.) Believe it or not Bush and Obama are cut from the same cloth. Bush likes to blow our money on terrorist “wack a mole” Obama is like a blond sorrority chick with daddy’s credit card. Both are wrong and spending us to the brink.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmToasterhead: Love the ad hominem attacks. But can’t you get a little more creative with your racist spew? How bout “shut the f. up cracker. Or shut the hell up stupid cracker. Adjectives are your friends. Yo.
But seriously. Do you realize how ignorant and stupid racial slurs come off on a political blog? Those things are best shouted out car windows or to keep white devils from crashin block parties. Word.
July 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 pmThat seems to be incorrect. Your parent need only be a US Citizen at the time of your birth, and Obama’s mother was a US Citizen.
http://www.american-citizenship.org/
Personally, I believe the State Government of Hawaii. Seriously, there is no conspiracy here, because if there was, you’re talking an ENTIRE STATE GOVERNMENT *plus* prominent members of Congress, the Supreme Court, CIA, FBI, Secret Service – not to mention Hilary Clinton *and* John McCain as being in on it.
Which is why NO one in their RIGHT or LEFT mind should take this “situation” seriously.
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