Ohio legislator’s bill dictates that men should have final say on abortion.
Ohio legislator’s bill dictates that men should have final say on abortion.
State Rep. John Adams (R-OH) has re-introduced radical legislation that would prevent a woman from having an abortion until she gets written consent from the biological father. As proposed, the bill triggers criminal penalties against women for “providing a false biological father.” Adams says the “first-degree misdemeanor” would be punishable with up to “six months” in jail and a “$1,000 fine.” Labeled by Adams as a “father’s right bill,” the lawmaker would give men the final say on abortion in the state of Ohio:
In the case where the father isn’t known, House Bill 252 would compel the woman to provide a list of names of people who may be the father in an effort to determine paternity. The bill also would make it a crime for women to lie about who the father is, and make it illegal for doctors to perform abortions without the father’s consent.
The bill would force a woman to have a child if the father does not agree to an abortion.
“That child should be born, not killed,” Adams said.
Adams first introduced the legislation in 2007. Already, this bill has at least 15 co-sponsors. Pro-Choice Ohio issued a statement saying Adams’ bill “is a clear attack on a woman’s freedom and privacy.” AJ at Feminists For Choice says the bill is “another mechanism for demonizing and isolating women who have sex.” (HT: Pam’s House Blend)
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July 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pmDon’t think it will stand up to a court test.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pmAnd when men are the ones who get pregnant, I will agree with him.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:54 pmWow. A walking incubator. His wife must be so proud.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pmAnd those fathers are going to help support the child.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pmYeah, right.
Oh.. no.. he… didn’t…….
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmAmerican Taliban at it’s fascist finest.
Republic Fascist Party = Men are kings, women are cattle
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmdbadass wonders wtf…
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pmActually, men do have final say on abortion. Get a vasectomy, wear a double-layer condom, or just stop having sex with anyone who could possibly get pregnant.
There. Problem solved. You’re welcome, Rep. Adams(R)Misogyny, OH
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pmAnd I’m guessing the mother has to pay for all those paternity tests? What a dummkopf.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pmIt would be near impossible to find a man more sexist, more anti-woman than this pig named John Adams is. He deserves to be ignored or at least demeaned.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pmWhat kind of foolishness is this? Adams has a personal hatred for women’s rights. He needs to pack up and move to Afghanistan. I’m sure the women in Ohio aren’t having any of this BS Adams is trying to cram down their throats!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pmThis should send women into the streets… if it doesn’t… we deserve what we get!
Total BS.
If the religious Right/Repulican comparisons to the Taliban aren’t made now…..
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pmOK. All we need to do after this bill is to make any behavior or action on a man’s part that is not consistent with entirely responsible behavior be defined as AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, and punishable by a 10 year sentence or $100,000 fine, or both.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pmUnless the woman impregnated herself, or course.
I wonder if the congressman would agree that the parents of the teenage boy who knocks up the girl should have a say, too? How about the wife of the cheating husband who impregnates his mistress? While he’s at it, why not place a notice in the local paper, under the police blotter and allow the public at large to decide the fate of the woman’s body?
Moron(R-OH)
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pmAnother reason to doubt the sanity of anyone claiming to be a Republican!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pmIt’s tough to know where to begin with this idiocy. But I’ll give it a shot.
What about women who are raped? And they don’t know their rapist’s name? Do they have to prove they were raped to get a waiver under such a law? What if the rapist won’t permit an abortion?
What about women who have no earthly idea who the father is? Yes, I know Adams probably figures such a s1ut should be held accountable by being required to give birth to a baby. But is it fair to the baby to be born to a mother who really doesn’t want it?
Is there a flip side to this law? Will a father who says “no” to abortion be required to take custody of this child and support it for life? Or can he deny permission for abortion and get off scot-free?
Does giving men the “final say” mean that the father can order the mother to have an abortion if the mother doesn’t want one?
Does Adams realize that our society has moved on from when women were considered mere chattel?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pmHas to be a stunt to his supporters. Ted Strickland (D) would never sign a bill like that into law. And the GOP doesn’t have enough uber-right wing crazies in the state legislature to over rule him.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm***
it’s that creepy, psycho
smile that really gets to you.
:|
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July 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pmWhy, I’m so inspired with great ideas and I owe it all to Congressman Adams!
Here’s another: When a male reaches puberty, force him to visit a sperm bank several times a week for a few months. Freeze all his little suckers. Then sterilize him.
If/when he wishes to procreate, he has all his little guys frozen and ready to meet their eggs friends.
And what do we get? NO MORE UNWANTED PREGNANCIES!
That’s one sure-fire way to stop abortions altogether.
Your welcome, again.
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmThe law is unconstitutional because it diminishes a woman’s right to an abortion. The federal courts and SCOTUS will find it unconstitutional and they will not allow any state to enforce such a law.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmWhat in hell is this guy Adams trying to pull? He may as well starting making scarlet letters to place on a woman’s chest. This is some wingnutcrazy shyte! Is it 2009 or 1909?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmState Rep. John Adams (R-OH),
You share the name of a great American founder.
That’s really sad because you are soooo lame.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pmSo if the biological father is out of the picture, her rights are trampled?
Or if he is in Iraq or KIA, the same?
If you want to go draconian, just do it: life in prison for all sex out of marriage (which is often illegal). On the state’s expense, of course. And babies on the streets.
It would be near impossible to find a man more sexist, more anti-woman than this pig named John Adams is. He deserves to be ignored or at least demeaned.
Freeperland is near impossible…
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pmHopefully, if this idiocy doesn’t get referred to committee to die a quiet death some Dem with a sense of humor will offer an amendment that any father who refuses to consent to an abortion must pay 18 years of child support into the family law court to support the prospective child.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pmspencer’s mom,
sometimes I think their ultimate solution for “peace” and “safety” is (besides 1984) to put everyone in a nice little sound-proof jail cell besides the few guards and elites. No terrorism or indecency if everyone is locked up, right?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pmI suspect that even if this nutcase could get such a law passed, it would be in direct violation of Roe v. Wade.
The legal rationale for Roe v. Wade is to protect the woman’s right to privacy during the first trimester of her pregnancy. And thus, she may do whatever she wants to with her body without interference from others.
If Adams is talking about terminating pregnancies during the second trimester and beyond (the rules of which are up to individual states), he’d have more to stand on legally. But his attitude toward women still makes him a jerkwad.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 pmYes, he should have a say. He should say, “I’ll take complete legal and financial responsibility for this child.” Right. This isn’t about the child, it’s about keeping women barefoot and pregnant. I’m sick of these people pretending to care about children when all they really care about is being in control of other’s lives.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pmFinally. This is what they have wanted all along… Women back as chattel… Unable to make decisions for their own lives… Again relegating women’s bodies to the role of a vessel. Not even human, really.
Outrageous!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pmFor any of you enterprising entrepreneurs with the right equipment, this could be a very profitable cottage industry.
Just open up shop and agree that you could be the sperm donor who helped create the clump of cells. Charge a small fee.
Who would prove your wrong? Are the taxpayers of Ohio so flush with cash that they can afford limitless mandatory in vitro paternity testing? Cause those test are expensive and because of the invasive nature can cause spontaneous *gasp* abortion.
Yah, didn’t think so.
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pmI’m sure Adams doesn’t have to worry about any personal consequences of his bill. Prostitutes are very careful to avoid getting pregnant.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmWant to bet that whenever a bill to increase AFDC and medicaid payments comes up, he votes against it?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmThe fastest solution to people like this is for them to end up in prison and get raped by one of the prison’s “best” and make sure that he also gets pregers as a result with a good dose of all of the STDs as possible. Then lets see if he feels the same way about keeping women down. He is about as bad as the radical Islamists who want to keep their women down as well. Well not in this country you stupid bozo. They have the right to vote and it is my sincerest hope that they will vote you out of office because with your attitude, you don’t deserve to speak for the American people.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmIf I lived in Ohio, John Adams would be the first person that I would name as the potential father.
misscoleopteramolly
Does giving men the “final say” mean that the father can order the mother to have an abortion if the mother doesn’t want one?
A very good question and the most probable outcome carried to it’s logical conclusion.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:21 pmshoeless says:
I’m sure Adams doesn’t have to worry about any personal consequences of his bill. Prostitutes are very careful to avoid getting pregnant.
No, he would just take his prostitute to another state for the abortion. He is the type that the law doesn’t apply to him.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pmActually he does not go far enough. I wish Mr. Adams had the balls to include the following line in his bill:
Once the father has been identified, he will be financially responsible for his offspring until the child reaches the age of 18. This will include garnishing wages as needed.
Got that guys, your baby, you feed, house, and keep it dressed and warm for the next 18 years. Let’s Vote !!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmThat’s it — they’re all nuts!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmThe fundies have left the station — women, blacks need to submit.
I suspect the prostitutes he frequents don’t possess uteri or ovaries. Or vaginas, either.
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:26 pmAnd I’m sure that Rep Adams only beats his kids when they “really” deserve it.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pmCan’t you just hear it now – woman asks rapist to please stop and put on a condom before he rapes her?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmI’m totally for a woman’s right to choose but consider this food for thought: If through an encounter of mutual consent a pregnancy occurs and the woman chooses to keep the baby, even though the man does not want her to keep it, the man can be liable for financial support for that child until it is an adult. Should this man have a right to choose?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmThis is the beginning of the slippery slope of criminalizing sex in general.
The prospective fathers will be charged with statutory rape in the next version of this law and sent to prison; but only if they are black or hispanic or very poor.
I guarantee you there will be loop holes in place to allow rich, little white girls to have an outpatient “procedure” to remove a “growth.”
Abortion will always happen. The law just decides where and how safe it might be.
If abortion is outlawed then women will revert back to the old days of trying to self-abort thus injuring or killing themselves and the fetist (sp?) too. Or they will go to the back rooms of yesteryear to repeat the death and destuction of the past using unlicensed amatures (sp?).
This joke of a Rep. needs to be raped in prison a few times just to wipe that shit-eating smile off of his face. Then ask this idiot if he would like to have a living momento of his rapes, in the form of several children to support, for the rest of his life?
This guy is not a real man. Real men don’t think this way. They don’t need to. Only weak and cowardly men think this way.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pmLibertyLover says:
Well, this is by far the BEST idea yet! Good job!
I’ll add that all the pro-choice women in Ohio should go ahead and file right now. Let him prove they’re not pregnant!
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pmspencers mom says:
I suspect the prostitutes he frequents don’t possess uteri or ovaries. Or vaginas, either.
PEACE
I think you are probably right about that!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pmPolitically, Ohioans who live in the farming regions are a very frightening bunch. That’s how people like this guy get in office.
You will burn in hell if you don’t give the correct responses to God, guns, gays, and abortions.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pmdixie blood says:
This guy is not a real man. Real men don’t think this way. They don’t need to. Only weak and cowardly men think this way.
Which is why he is a Republican.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pmRepublicans don’t fancy women much.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dbadass knows quality chum when dbadass smells it…
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmdb, I will be very surprised if you chumming doesn’t bring in another.
The man knows his fish!
PEACE
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
STFU, bitty. Until you support comprehensive sex education and free condom dispensers in every public bathroom in the country? Your claims to wish an end to abortion are hollow, illogical, and hypocritical.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 pmdixie blood says:
A bunch of garbage in a couple of posts
What if the mother is an illegal alien? What if the father is an illegal alien?
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pmShould this man have a right to choose?
Yes, he can choose to abstain from sex. Once there’s a human life, outside the uterus, yeah, he gets to support the kid. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, pal.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm* ** **
did bit take the yellow
or the orange acid?
:\
“saw”?
has anybody seen bit’s “saw”?
he needs it to cut off his dick.
:|
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmOops. Sorry Dixie blood. I didn’t mean to smear you. That was aimed at bitbit. I am very sorry about the above missed directed comment.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 pmbit,
Deaths from Botched abortions are only part of the story.
What about Women who Can no longer have more children, because of medical complications from Unsafe/Botched Abortions??
I’m Curious…do you accept the fact that the Netherlands and Belgium have the LOWEST Abortion Rates in the Developed World…putting the US to Shame, with its HUGE number of Abortions .
Why do you think that is the Case???
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pmThis loon should be banned for publicly faking thinking !! I know there are lots of places in this country that believe we’re should still be in the stone age but he’s just highlighted another…
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm… …. ..
“preborn”?
then that must mean
that bit is the “afterbirth”.
* *
makes sense.
:)
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pmThis confirms what I always suspected. The wingers and religious taliban do not like a woman having choice for they believe the man should be able to keep his woman barefoot and pregnant.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Rather than this ad hoc approach, why don’t we just have everyone log every sexual partner they have?! That would sure be convenient for all sorts of things.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pmObviously it’s tragic when a woman aborts a fetus when the father actually wanted a child. How often does that happen? But women are not simply baby-making machines.
Perhaps men should take the time to develop a good enough relationship with women they’re having unprotected sex with to at least be on the same page about whether or not they want children.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pmIf the stupid troll doesn’t want to be responsible for abortions? It’s very simple.
1. Never have sex with a woman.
2. Never perform an abortion.
There you go, stupid troll. You can face your maker with a clean conscience and rational humans don’t have to worry about your ill-raised and misbegotten brood. Sounds like a win/win to me.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pmWith the thumping Republicans have taken in the last two elections you would think that they might moderate their stances but those huge losses seem to have embolden them, witness Sen. Thune with his cross-State concealed carry measure and this even more repulsive measure by some clown named John Adams. What can these people be thinking.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pmAny chance there is a Rep. Eaves who can introduce counter legislation to Rep. Adams that would prohibit a man from having coitus without
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm1) written permission from the woman, notarized,
2) provide proof of financial responsibility and
3) observe a 48 hour waiting period before engaging in a sanctioned act?
O.K. I’ve had it with these misogynist Rethuglican pigs…STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY WOMB, YOU MORONS!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pmPaternity ‘Isn’t known?”
In day-to-day existence, Paternity is NEVER ‘known’–except by the mother, and only in certain cases.
Here’s what happens: Woman finds herself pregnant. She goes to a man–let’s call him ‘David Crosby’–and he signs an affidavit saying ‘I’m the father and I give permission.” End of story.
In order for this law to have any effect at all, any woman desiring an abortion would be required to submit her complete sexual history to the government–and then the government would have to do DNA analyses of every man on the list.
Including the married ones. Including the Congressmen.
Which would put a lot of power in the hands of a woman. How would it look to the boss if yo had to go get DNA tested for a woman’s abortion, even if you protested you didn’t know her?
It would involve the near-total destruction of privacy for American men as well as women.
It’s so outrageously stupid a law that I almost wish they would pass it.
Parental notification and husband-notification laws deal with legal relationships: this enshrines biomedical technique into law.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pmA man that feels entitled to legislate womens bodies simply has control issues.
And mental illness.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm****
bit is auditoning
for an am ex card commercial.
>>
don’t call us,
we’ll call you.
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July 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pmDallasNE says:
What can these people be thinking.
Believe it or not, they actually think that the reason they are losing elections is because they are not right-wing enough.
They listen to one news channel, Faux Noise, and go to rally’s that are whipped into a frenzy by the likes of limpballs, and they think that if they pander to those people, they will get re-elected. Then there are the people like Karl Rove that are more concerned with how they are going to make money that they give bad advice to the candidates/politicians.
The danger for the Democrats is if they allow themselves to be sidetracked by these bozos, then people will give up on them and not vote. That is when loons like John Adams can gain some real power. And that is a scary thought.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pmDon’t pull that concern crap here, bitty.
Considering the fact that you are convinced that the 5 billion non-Christians on this planet are doomed to Hell, and would send them there personally with glee if given the chance, your claims of compassion are as pathetic as your pretense of intellect.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 pmFunny how it’s ok to “kill” a “child” when it’s a man who’s doing it.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:02 pmShould this man have a right to choose?
Yeah…..he can choose to keep it in his pants.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:03 pmThe SCOTUS has never held that the father of the child has any rights in the abortion issue. In order for that to happen, the SCOTUS would have to make a new precedent. There is no reason for them to revisit Roe v. Wade because it will trigger more protests and new laws.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pmWhat a load of BS this bill is.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmThe religious taliban as kasinca so nicely calls ‘em have another project going: Re-write history.
On topic. I don’t know about your males, but over here when a girl has an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy, a majority of the Fathers to be tell her to “get rid of it”. John Adams and his co-sponsors may be still not getting their wish even if this stupid bill became the law.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pmThings like this just support that the Republican Party is a fascist organization.
The fifth defining charictoristic of fascism is:
If you doubt the Republican Party is indeed a fascist organization, go check out the 14 defining charictoristics of fascism and judge for yourself.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:08 pmIf given a choice, I’m sure Newt Gingrich would support the child.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pmIn the meantime Ohio has over an 11% unemployment rate and whole cities are ghost towns.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pmBut working on that would require Mr. Adams to address some real pressing issues.
tony and lido
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What’s your point?
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pmExodus says that parents can kill disobedient children.
Shall we make that into a law too?
prius04 @82
Excellent point, prius.
And speaking of stone age, eviljohnadams bears quite a resemblance to Barney Rubble.
Yabba dabba don’t tell me what to do!
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:51 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#82 prius04,
Sorry but you are wrong. Exodus 21: 22-25 is dicussing a fight where a pregnant woman is injured and “gives birth prematurely” — not an abortion.
Here’s the quote:
“If people are fighting and a pregnant woman is hit and gives birth prematurely [...] ”
It’s about fighting in public and injury to a pregnant women. And the remedy is left in the hands of the husband not her father.
The KJV states: “so that her fruit depart from her.”
Don’t pretend to know The Bible when atheists are standing around listening and generally know more about The Bible than most so-called Christians.
BTW, if your wife or daughter needs an abortion just take her to the next riot and have her beaten. Exodus and Jesus are “guiding” you, right?
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pmIt’s amazing to me these Repuglicans claim to want less interference from the Government, but have no problem interfering in individuals lives, ie. this idiot!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pmOnce the sperm is out of the gate
It’s too late for the man to debate
If he wants to regulate
He’ll have to hesitate
When the ball’s in her court
It’s her right to abort.
Sorry, I’m not a poet…
:|
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 pmWow…hat’s off to you for cleaning the floor with that elegant rebuke…
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pmHere are the co-sponsors of this bill: Representatives Jordan, Huffman, Blessing, Morgan, Martin, Maag, Wagner, Hall, Wachtmann, Combs, McClain, Derickson, Goodwin, Winburn, Uecker – ALL MEN!!!
Wow – Just flippin wow!!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Adams is really twisted:
“There are instances when the baby is not a viable baby,” Adams said, “and in those instances, they (would) still need to get consent from the biological father.”
Source Cached Version
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#85 spewed …It took two people to get you pregnant and the other party should have a say in weather it is killed or not.
And that OTHER party should take some responsibility to prevent a potential pregnancy and not rely soley on the woman to provide birth control.
But, it sounds like you’re a knuckle dragging mouth breather and have no idea what responsible means.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:26 pmWay to take a way more power from rape victims.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pmrhf.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pmCalm down. Proud may finally be seeing the error of his ways.
Encourage them to come over to the correct side.
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proud,
i ignore rhf.
everyone ignores rhf.
we all have crazy uncles.
:|
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 pmJoe,
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pmAre proud and rhf the same person?
Just playing both sides of the aisle?
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When a thread becomes hijacked by trolls, the negative carma piles up.
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pmI’d say, abortion on demand, and no paternity suits. That way women have a choice, and men do not have to have their lives controlled by that choice. Fair is fair. I’d also like to see paternity tests performed routinely, and required. Men have been in the odious position of finding out that the children they’re paying child-support for aren’t biologically theirs. This is just wrong. Women cheat too, and I see no reason for men to reward them for it.
Men should never have the right to use women as baby-making vessels—even when married.
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pmThis is a first. I’m going to defend Proud and RHF in the same post.
I have disagreed with RHF’s style frequently. I’ve referred to him as “an ass who doesn’t speak for me”. But I’m still convinced his logic is sound and his heart is in the right place.
As for Proud. He displayed more than his usual amount of common sense to acknowledge how ridiculous Rep. Adams’ proposal is.
Now I think I’m going to fix a nice dinner and drink a few beers and try to come to terms with the deep emotional cost of this post.
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pmWhat.A.Moron.
This bill will die a quick death. He probably did it to appease his birther nutjob supporters.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 pmYeah right.
Only if men allow women to say where men’s seeds will go into or onto. Remember each seed wasted is killing a life.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pmWTF is MSNBC atalking about? President Obama did a great job in explaining healthcare.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 pmOh the news is for these rabid news cyclist is that President Obama’s explains Prof. Gate’s, his friend, racially attacked in the Prof. own house.
That shit is wrong though.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pmI just have to say it pleases me to see most people on here agree on this one. This proposed bill is 100% insanely ludicrous!!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pmI have issues with people comparing this so-called man to all republicans. I am an Ohioan, taxpayer, and woman! And I can assure you all, not all republicans think this way!
I have to agree with #18. If the man refuses to agree to the abortion, will he then be financialy and otherwise responsible for this child for life? I’m thinking probably not!
And really! Adams could not have possibly thought this out! Something as crazy as this will do nothing but put a strain on an already strained economy! There will be huge increases in Medicade/Welfare pay outs, not to mention a huge increase in children in the foster system which clearly does not work most times. It’s also going to do a good part in draining the system financially due to all the paternity tests that will have to be done! WTF!!! I just truly can’t believe this insanity!
How about making stiffer punishment for men/women whom abandon their children and never pay child support? I really think that would be a much better way to go!
Call National Geographic!!!
A 21st Century, Knuckle-Sraping Caveman has been discovered!!!! And he’s a Republican Politician!!!!
Surprise, Surprise!!!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pmI would think if your a woman who got pregnant without trying too, then the first person you will tell would be your partner. Then the woman will look to her partner for support and they would try to make that decision together. The bottom line is the woman has to carry the baby for 9 months. Ultimatly no matter what, it has to be up to the woman to make that choice.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm#127
I totally agree! Paternity tests should be performed routinely! Might make a lot of women stop and think before blaming a guy they know is not the father. Not to mention preventing what you mentioned. I couldn’t possibly imagine how it must feel for man to find out the child he has loved/raised/supported for years is not his.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 pmLet’s address the real issues instead of pushing women back several centuries!
mary lacewing says:
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Obviously it’s tragic when a woman aborts a fetus when the father actually wanted a child. How often does that happen?
It’s called adoption. Angelina Jolie, Madonna, Halle Barry, Meg Ryan, etc. etc. Let’s see some single men step up.
AMcG312 says:
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Should this man have a right to choose?
Yes, he can choose to abstain from sex. Once there’s a human life, outside the uterus, yeah, he gets to support the kid. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, pal.
Word.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 pmmuy rosada says:
Joe,
Are proud and rhf the same person?
Just playing both sides of the aisle?
***
don’t you mean both sides
of the keyboard?
;)
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pmDo the people..no the women in Ohio know who they’ve elected to office. Was he talking this garbage on the campaign trail. Women of Ohio PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES, you have to take a stand and get this man out of office!!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pmUm, wow.
Is there also a provision in this bill that requires the father to be there in the child’s life instead of just leaving that burden to the mother?
If they can’t ban abortion outright, they’ll try as many subversive, intrusive actions as possible to minimize the number.
Okay, it’s rude enough to tell a woman that she, the carrier of the child for 9 months, (and most likely the sole caretaker after its birth), has no say in whether or not she can have an abortion unless the MAN of the relationship says so.
but… it gets even better…
What’s that? You don’t know who the father is? Well we’ll just pry into your past ever so tactlessly to find out who that is. Let’s see… You were raped in an alley at night by five men, for whom you have no physical descriptions. Nope, sorry, no abortion for you. Enjoy your 18 years of financial burden in an already troubling financial time.
Oh, and that other part about throwing pregnant women in jail for 6 months? Ridiculous. Aren’t American prisons overcrowded enough without you stuffing in someone who just wanted to be free of a burden she shouldn’t have to bear?
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Good one, Joe !!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pmwtf are you?
The ghost of neanderthal hillbilly man?
If you don’t have a utereus, you don’t EVEN get to have an opinion on this subject!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 pmState Rep Adams needs to quit playing to his moronic base with unconstitutional bills, and stay the f uck out of women’s wombs.
Of course, it’s likely he’s never been close to a vagina…
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 pmSo called “fags” are not the only ones who can’t have kids! There are such things as medical problems? Grow up a bit and try to educate yourself!!!!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pmOh, I’m so sorry!
I mistook you for a human being!
My bad!
Obviously you are some alien life force with a translator malfunction!
maybe
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm***
gw373,
ok i get it,
your mother had sex with her brother
and there you were….
i get it.
:)
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 pmLet’s see. Since “troll” and “fag” have been assigned the same value, and we must follow the rule that two things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, we can only assume that all trolls are fags.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 pmIt’s always been about power over women… always.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 pmThis is un(phucking)believable that a bill would even have 50 co-sponsors.
The Repugs sure in hell can’t talk about Obama taking away rights and certainly an gross intrusion on the female.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 pmZooey says:
State Rep Adams needs to quit playing to his moronic base with unconstitutional bills, and stay the f uck out of women’s wombs.
Of course, it’s likely he’s never been close to a vagina…
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neither, it seems, has gw373…
:|
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pmApparently this troll learned about fags from his illiterate, sexist, woman-hating father that spent his life making a whore out of his mother!
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 pmranus69 says:
This is un(phucking)believable that a bill would even have 50 co-sponsors.
The Repugs sure in hell can’t talk about Obama taking away rights and certainly an gross intrusion on the female.
So just tell me what rights are they going to take away from you with this bill.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pmThe right to kill another. because i don’t remember seeing abortion being listed as a right.
Wow. Y’all voted down some really vile troll shit on this thread.
Well done!
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 pmOutlaw,
Abortion is a legal medical procedure.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 pmThat’s right Casper!
Because abortion is a medical procedure.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 pmIt’s between a woman and her physician.
Period.
Well, hell, if all of a man’s little swimmers are so bloody precious – let’s make it a friggin’ crime to jack off into a Kleenex!!!
That’s the stupidest shite I’ve ever heard in my life.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pmGhostWalker,
I read in the Dumbass Daily that you hire a 12 year old to read for you.
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It’s just so special that GhostWalker sees children as a punishment for women who have sex.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 pmHAHAHA!
How’s that crack you’re smoking Ghosty?
Just like mother used to make?
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 pmAbortion is a legal procedure, you can’t get around it.
It’s not your business what any woman does with her body — ever.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 pmGhostWalker,
I know children are a good thing that comes from sex. I have two.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw,
Abortion is legal. Mind your own business.
You certainly presume to know a lot about me, don’t you?
How would you even know I’m a woman?
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 pmNo, GhostWalker, I wouldn’t kill them. Not even for you.
Uh oh, now you’ve let the cat out of the bag. Your wife just needs to let you know she tried to get an abortion, and she’s free of you.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 pmGhostWalker,
If the pregnancy is not wanted, then it’s not a good thing. And it’s not your business what any woman does with her own body.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ghostdick
Maybe, instead, we should cut out the tongues of degenerate males like you.
No more lies, abuse, or b.s..
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 pmFathers should have more say in an abortion. It’s just as much his baby as it is hers. One of my buddies was devestated by his girlfriend of 6 years aborting a child.
I personally could never take part in an abortion. Thus the reason I wont be paying federal taxes. The government cannot make me take part in a killing. Don’t know if it would hold up in court, But I’m still not taking part in the federal funding of abortions.
If the woman wants to spread her legs for the world and expect no kids out of it, wake up….
Being adopted, I’m glad my biological mother had the strength to have a baby and give it up for adoption. It could have gone the other way and I wouldn’t be here.
That is something I will never understand about my party. So quick to kill a baby, yet so slow to kill a murderer…
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 pmYou trolls are feculent cretins – and you’re all terminally afflicted with UGLYSTOOPID.
Frankly, I pity your wives – and any woman forced to put up with your stupid ignorant shite.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pmWhoa –I hope GW’s wife has a safe-escape plan.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 pmWow. So much for a rational conversation, guys.
I’m guessing both of you think of yourselves as Christians — which is astonishing, considering your comments to me.
Toodles.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 pmI seriously doubt if either have wives.
Ex-wives, maybe.
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why is it that people always talk as if the woman is only to blame for having sex? What about the guy who can’t help but to sow his wild oats? Why isn’t there any condemnation directed towards him? No, don’t tell me, the double standard…you know guys are studs, gals are s1uts…
Responsibility works both ways, if you’re going to talk about a woman spreading her legs, well you damn better talk about a guy sowing his damn oats too…
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:05 amHow much do you want to bet this John Adams is a Birther as well?
Birthers completely dismiss Stanley Ann Dunham’s status as a citizen of the United States as having any bearing (except when they can claim a negative effect — by her marriage to her second husband, an Indonesian, she “gave up” her right to citizenship and thereby nullifed her son’s). In their view, only a father’s citizenship is determinative of the son’s.
Women, to these people, are in fact still chattel to their husbands.
I really don’t know what Hilzoy was talking about when she said she didn’t think the country was as crazy as it was between 2000-2008. The crazy dial is clearly broken and there’s not a repair-person in sight.
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:11 amI agree, karen marie, the crazy is turned up to 11 these days.
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 amGee, GhostWalker, thanks for confirming what we already suspected.
You’re a flaming ignoramus.
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Good god, what a bunch of freaks you are.
Here’s a fact for you, Outlaw:
ABORTION IS LEGAL. DEAL WITH IT.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 amWhy do I get the feeling the freaks have lazy sperm…
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 amMen can make the decision as to whether or not a woman can have an abortion when they carry the child to term within their OWN bodies, go through CHILDBIRTH, are considered the PRIMARY caretakers of the child, and FULLY fund their child – and uh, guys? The money DOESN’T stop at age 18.
As of now, I’ve yet to see this as the norm and not the exception. It’s pulling teeth to get fathers to man up to their responsibilities, even though *both* parties spread their legs. There is NOTHING a woman can do if the father refuses to help out. There’s EVERYTHING a father can do if he simply wants to walk away.
And it’s hilarious watching Ghost-whoever and his parrot whine that Abortion is immoral and yet advocate masturbation at the same time. Last I checked, the Bible definitely said no on “spilling seed”.
AHAHAHA! The National Enquirer! Oh, now *that* is something to take seriously for sure!!!! [/me wipes tears from eyes from laughing so hard]
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:51 am***
“the national inquier“?
some stupid people can’t spell.
:)
:) :) :)
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:05 amNow this thread represents perfectly why I don’t comment on TP anymore. There are no discussions whatsoever going on, just plain trolling and name calling. It may be entertaining to some, but it puts me off.
Outlaw, Ghost Walker, to say it takes two to make a baby and therefore the “father” should have a say and then proceed to saying an unwanted pregnancy is only the woman’s fault doesn’t even meet the standards of simple logic. I won’t comment on your style and language, however. Stay classy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 amUCSBKitty
so because a guy doesn’t use a condom it is all his fault that she gets pregnant?
And yet if she didn’t spread her legs for him or make him use a condom or use birthcontrol herself it still isn’t her fault.
So then what you are saying is that women aren’t responcible for their own actions. And if that is the case then they should have no right to make the decision as to weather the child should be aborted or not.
You have just made the case for them.
Don’t take my words out of context…Men should also practice what they preach, sexual responsibility…or is it the IOKIYAR STANDARD applied to men?
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:24 amResponsibility works both ways, if you’re going to talk about a woman spreading her legs, well you damn better talk about a guy sowing his damn oats too…
Outlaw, it’s called reading comprehension…Try to use it sometime…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 amSo then what you are saying is that men aren’t responsible for their own actions. And if that is the case then they should have no right to make the decision as to weather the child should be aborted or not.
You have just made the case for them.
there fixed it for you, outlaw…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:29 amof course it is the womans fault– if you don’t offer to spread your legs, guys would not sow thier oats but your right responsablity does go both ways- just the same if a woman does not want to get prego then maybe she should not be having sex, after all birth control is never 100%, if you are not willing to acept the aftermath then keep your pants on and don’t let him in, it is that simple– or become lesbo
Let me guess, the logical extension of your argument is, if women didn’t dress like that, they wouldn’t be asking for rape…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 amHow charming…do you keep those thoughts secret when you try to date or do you let them out thinking that you’ll impress your date with such bravado? There, honey…it’s okay to let out your insecurities, but do it with a therapist, k?
If you don’t want to have to go through all of this then either keep your legs shut or use birth control and condoms.
OMG!! Outlaw & Ghost Whatever are cretins from another century who obviously think of women as being only for men’s pleasure. Abortion is legal and will remain so. Rethuglicans wouldn’t have anything to rally their base if Roe v Wade were overturned. Dubya had a dictatorship for 6 years with majorities in both the House & the Senate and never did anything about it…proof positive that he’s “just not that concerned about it”. Perhaps because it wouldn’t make him any money. And, BTW, re-read the phrase at the beginnng of this post which was repeated over and over again on this thread..don’t you think that Conservatives spend an awful lot of time obsessing over sex? And which party has been in the news lately as being the hypocritical practitioners of adulterous sex & bribery? And then try to cover it up with religion (see C Street “Church” & theraputic advice from fellow Rethuglicans). Methinks these holier than thou freaks all need group therapy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 amZooey it is nice to see that the liberals still can debate with the facts.
The facts are that this would crumple like a cheap suit in court. With all of Ohio’s other problems, the fact that this loser is wasting so much time and embarrassing his state on this fringer crap is what should be criminal.
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 amSo, it is not that abortion itself is wrong, but only if a woman makes the choice? This bill should be named the “Fathers Free Choice Act”. At least it gets to the real crux of the issue!
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 am209. So much for being “pro-life…” They always say that you cannot be selectively pro-life…not that I’m accusing Republicans of being pro-life. They never were, they were pro-profit…and that’s a world of difference away from so-called “pro-life.”
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 amand if the misogynists want to talk sexual responsibility, tell those “studs” who don’t want to own up to their child support responsibilities that they should have perhaps taken the responsibility to put on a damn condom before shooting their rounds…
Ghost Walker, borrowing your own words if I may…
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 amresponsibility does go both ways just the same if a man does not want to impregnate a woman, then maybe he should NOT BE HAVING SEX (OMG WHAT A CONCEPT that goes BOTH WAYS), after all birth control is never 100%, if you are not willing to accept the aftermath then keep your pants on and don’t think with the wrong head, it is that simple…
Outlaw, Ghost Walker, to say it takes two to make a baby and therefore the “father” should have a say and then proceed to saying an unwanted pregnancy is only the woman’s fault doesn’t even meet the standards of simple logic. I won’t comment on your style and language, however. travesti travesti Stay classy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 amOh no. He is my representative. sigh.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 amLet’s see. Here’s how it works. Rape the woman and then declare that you’re going to have my baby or else.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 amWell damn, this will surely get him reelected(NOT).
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:51 amAre these men really that stupid? I say women of Ohio, just stop having sex with any man in Ohio, your husband, a stranger any idiot who believes a man has a right over your body. No sex, period.
Let’s see how long it takes these Ohio men to form one huge circle jerk. They’ll be screwing each other in no time flat. There will be glory holes in every public men’s bathrooms all across the state.
I’m serious. If they want to have a say in your choice over what you do with your body, then don’t give your body to them.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 ammuy rosada says:
And those fathers are going to help support the child.
Yeah, right.
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A dumb statement. Plenty of fathers support their children.
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pmUCSBKitty says
Outlaw, it’s called reading comprehension…Try to use it sometime…
It would be nice if you could follow the same advice. Since half of the things that you are saying that I said I didn’t say Ghost did.
The fact of the matter is still that the only arguement that you women have is that it is your body so you are the ones that have the say.
Not a one of you can dispute the fact that it takes 2 to make the child and you can’t dispute the fact that since you think it is your body and you have the only say in it that you are taking the rights of the father away from him. Just as most of you do when it comes to the father when he tries to get visitation or any other rights he has to the child.
As to taking your words out of context try again. I took exactly what you said and commented on that. It isn’t my fault that you don’t have the skills to get your point across.
And Zooey you need to pull your head out of your ass and read the law. Partial birth abortion is ILLEGAL.
And joe cantwell “the national inquier” is spelled with an E not an i. So i guess that makes you the IDIOT
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 pmAnd joe cantwell “the national inquier” is spelled with an E not an i. So i guess that makes you the IDIOT
Piss poor timing for a typo dude. It makes you look stupid.
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:56 pmyou can’t call that a typo the e is nowhere near the i
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 pmTry again dipshit. Use the Google, or look at some of your past issues of the “inquier”.
BTW, the shift key is to the left of the Z key.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmUCSBKitty says
Outlaw, it’s called reading comprehension…Try to use it sometime…
It would be nice if you could follow the same advice. Since half of the things that you are saying that I said I didn’t say Ghost did.
The fact of the matter is still that the only arguement that you women have is that it is your body so you are the ones that have the say.
Not a one of you can dispute the fact that it takes 2 to make the child and you can’t dispute the fact that since you think it is your body and you have the only say in it that you are taking the rights of the father away from him. Just as most of you do when it comes to the father when he tries to get visitation or any other rights he has to the child.
As to taking your words out of context try again. I took exactly what you said and commented on that. It isn’t my fault that you don’t have the skills to get your point across.
Note what I said…I said that if you were going to talk about responsibility, it works both ways and I was decrying the blatant double standard when it comes to you misogynists and sexual purity. I did not say anything close to what you were trying to claim I did…
So then what you are saying is that women aren’t responcible for their own actions. And if that is the case then they should have no right to make the decision as to weather the child should be aborted or not.
You have just made the case for them.
It’s not my fault that you don’t have the skills other than distorting your opponent’s arguments to score a cheap victory…and to come across as a pompous patronizing jack@ss…then again you right-wingers can only work with fallacies, right? So highly advanced of you.
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:06 pmand post 192 was directed at Ghost Walker, not you, outlaw…I thought it might be obvious because I quoted his words, not yours…but then again…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:13 pmUCSBKitty
You can come up with any excuse you want under the sun the end result is that it is up to the woman as to weather there is sex or not. A guy could want sex till he dies but he wont get it unless the woman agrees to it. So here in lies the problem with your arguement.
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pmRape completely destroys your argument, but then again, people do tend to blame the woman for it too…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 pmso yeah there aren’t times when it is up to the woman as to whether to have sex or not…
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pmAnd just how many women are raped? Do you even know the number? Less then 1% of abortions are from rapes.
According to Web MD, rape is the reason for 13,000 of 1.3 million annual abortions, or 1% of the total.
And this bill isn’t talking about rape. But since you can’t dispute the facts that the woman has the final say about sex then I would expect nothing less then for you to bring that up.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pmAnd YES there are times when a woman is asking for it. No one makes you wear the clothes you wear. When you wear a skirt that is short enough that when you bend over you can see your ass and everything else then yeah you would be asking for it.
Oh and UCSBKitty here are some other facts for you.
Rapes (most recent) by country
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmRank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 95,136
# 2 South Africa: 52,425
# 3 Canada: 24,350
# 4 Australia: 15,630
# 5 India: 15,468
# 6 Mexico: 14,373
# 7 United Kingdom: 13,395
# 8 Germany: 8,615
# 9 France: 8,458
# 10 Russia: 6,978
And this is just the top ten.
Who’s having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.
And you want to tell me that all of them were raped. Try again.
Of that 95,136 1% or 952 of them were from rape. So that means that 94,184 of those women weren’t raped so what is their excuse?
Your excuses just don’t work. You just don’t want to have to take the responsibility that it comes down to the womans fault. Facts are facts if you would keep your legs shut or learn how to use protection or birth control then that number wouldn’t be that high it would only be around 1,000.
You weren’t bringing up the bill in that context when you said the woman ALWAYS has the choice whether to have sex, so I brought it up to counter your point. Actually rape has everything to do with this bill, because the bill according to Representative Adams is going to include an exception for rape, incest, or life of the mother. Notice how there isn’t anything about men having also the responsibility to stop rape…maybe if they would stop thinking with their d1cks once in a while…it’s always about the women so men can shift responsibility away from themselves. Rape education only focuses on what women should do and what situations to avoid. It rarely talks about what men could do to stop rape, but it’s always easier to blame the victim, isn’t it?
So it was so predictable that you would trivialize rape by claiming it was only 1% of the abortions performed. So you will have the rape victim carry the baby to term for “asking for it?” Almost as if it is a punishment, rather than valuing the fetus…
the problem is when a woman claims she was raped, how will the abortion bans that allow for exceptions take on the situation? I wonder if you have considered the trauma that a woman can face in this situation? There is a reason why most rapes go unreported and it’s not about “crying wolf” as you might claim it is. It’s about the s1ut-shaming that rape apologists subject them to. I am loathe to call you a rape apologist but your rhetoric comes dangerously close…
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:24 pmOutlaw, you have to admit that men also have the responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancies. But you are dodging the issue by passing the buck onto women and women solely. That is my point…
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:25 pmand I never said that everyone who wants an abortion was raped. Again, you distort the arguments of others to score a cheap political victory. Bravo…
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 pmUCSBKitty says:
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Outlaw, you have to admit that men also have the responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancies. But you are dodging the issue by passing the buck onto women and women solely. That is my point…
The only responsibility the man has is that he can say no. But the solely responsibility comes down to the woman. She is the one that can get pregnant. If the man wants the kid and the woman doesn’t then she shouldn’t have had sex. That is the whole point of this bill which you seem to be missing.
“and I never said that everyone who wants an abortion was raped. Again, you distort the arguments of others to score a cheap political victory”. Bravo…
UCSBKitty says
Rape completely destroys your argument, but then again, people do tend to blame the woman for it too…
That is what you said. So that being said you are trying to use Rape as a reason that this bill shouldn’t be passed. And yet rape only accounts for 1% of abortions and that is the only retort that you have to try and stop a bill like this.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:40 pmOver 94 thousand women have abortions each year and you want to use 1000 of them to support your side of the issue.
Try again you can’t disput the fact that the bottom line is that of the 95 plus thousand abortions 94 thousnad of them should have kept their legs shut or used birth control or protection. Any woman or girl can tell a guy NO that they wont do anything without protection and guess what it works.
UCSBKitty
You can come up with any excuse you want under the sun the end result is that it is up to the woman as to weather there is sex or not. A guy could want sex till he dies but he wont get it unless the woman agrees to it. So here in lies the problem with your arguement.
i was addressing this point which I shall bold for you…when I brought up the rape argument.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pmUCSBKitty
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pmI can see now that you have no comprehension skills at all.
Nowhere in that statement was there any mention of RAPE. On the contrary the statement says UNLESS THE WOMAN AGREES. That is as far from rape as you could get.
Ugh. Seriously, just ugh.
I only read the first 35 or so comments and didn’t see this, but what if her life is in danger and the father hates her? What if the father dies between conception and abortion time? Ugh. I can’t even express my disgust.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm221…
but on the flip side, you said he won’t get sex unless the woman agrees. He can get sex if the woman is screaming and fighting back…and that is where I sought to point out.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 pmperhaps we were on the wrong page here, but your comment could be read in several different ways. I just read it in a different way than you were perhaps intended. But anyways, I found out what I needed to know in your next comment…
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pmmandy_frost says:
Ugh. Seriously, just ugh.
I only read the first 35 or so comments and didn’t see this, but what if her life is in danger and the father hates her? What if the father dies between conception and abortion time? Ugh. I can’t even express my disgust.
what these people refuse to see that it isn’t something you look at in black and white, good and evil terms.
July 23rd, 2009 at 5:01 pmmandy_frost says:
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Ugh. Seriously, just ugh.
I only read the first 35 or so comments and didn’t see this, but what if her life is in danger and the father hates her? What if the father dies between conception and abortion time? Ugh. I can’t even express my disgust.
Your arguement of the father dieing after conception but before the abortion is as mute as they come. If the father is dead then he can’t say no to her getting an abortion can he.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 pmSo how would her life be in danger?
As to the father hating her, if he hated her then why did she has sex with him to begin with. Besides that by that comment you are saying that the woman is going to kill the baby just to get even with the man
do you always have to assume the worst intentions when it comes to women?
July 24th, 2009 at 12:07 amUCSBKitty
July 24th, 2009 at 1:45 amHaven’t you ever heard.
Never trust anything that can bleed for a week and survive, never trust anything that can give milk without grazing, and never ever trust anything that can bury a bone faster than any dog in the county.
oh right, I missed that memo from the 19th century…
July 24th, 2009 at 2:34 amNote to Adams…….
Place to start: Get ALL the “fathers” who don’t pay child support to do so.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:46 amI’m fine with the right wing call to ban all abortion and to even have an abstinence only/No contraception ticket as soon as they also put forward their initiative to raise taxes to help pay for all the costs required for these children until they are 18 years of age and/or done with college.
If people want to have a stance on abortion that’s fine. Then they need to plan for the alternatives, which is an increase in unwanted pregnancies. These children will need food, a home, education, health care, and a protected community. The parents didn’t want the children, and it’s not the child’s fault for being born. Therefor the only thing a good pro-life person can do is to generously pay taxes for a social network to take care of these precious snowflakes.
July 24th, 2009 at 2:13 pmOutlaw284 says:
And Zooey you need to pull your head out of your ass and read the law. Partial birth abortion is ILLEGAL.
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Abortion is legal.
Late term abortion is not illegal, f ucktard. There are simply more restrictions on it.
It’s clear you don’t respect women at all. You’re just interested in controlling us, and trying to force back into second class personhood.
It’s not going to happen.
July 25th, 2009 at 1:07 am