G. Gordon Liddy says Obama is an ‘illegal alien’ born in a ‘hospital in Mombasa.’
G. Gordon Liddy says Obama is an ‘illegal alien’ born in a ‘hospital in Mombasa.’
G. Gordon Liddy, the man behind the first Watergate break-in and founding father of the “wacko wing” of the Republican party is now claiming that President Obama is an “undocumented illegal alien.” This afternoon, an oddly “catatonoic” Liddy told Chris Matthews that he has a written deposition from President Obama’s step-grandmother where she says that Obama was born in a hospital in Mombasa:
MATTHEWS: He [Obama] wasn’t born here and he’s never gone through a naturalization that you know of, right?
LIDDY: Not that I know of.
MATTHEWS: Therefore he’s here illegally. You’re saying he’s an undocumented alien.
LIDDY: Illegal alien.
MATTHEWS: You’ve said he was born in the Kenyan slums. That means he’s an illegal alien. That means he’s not only illegally president, he’s illegal in the US and he ought to be picked up…by your account he’s illegally in the country…how would you claim he was born in the Kenyan slums? You say that as if it were a fact…Do we have any evidence it ever happened?…
LIDDY: Yeah, I’ve got the deposition of the step-grandmother who said she witnessed it.
Watch it:
Liddy is the promoter of several anti-immigrant conspiracy theories. Last year, he claimed that immigrants come from Mexico because “they want to reconquer America.” When discussing the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor earlier this year, Liddy criticized her membership in the Latino civil rights group, National Council of La Raza. He said La Raza, in “illegal alien,” [Spanish] means “race.”
What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama's grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president's biological grandmother, but he calls her "Granny Sarah.")In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)
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Liddy, that “paragon of truth” and honesty from the Nixon adminstration, is hardly the person to pronounce the truth about anyone or anything.
The repiggie party these days has degenerated into a cult of paranoids, racists and conspiracy lunatics, writhing with impotent fury.
Look for more acts of violence from Teabagistan. Liddy and Co. are whipping them up.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pmHow is it this convicted felon able to toss the word “Illegal” around so easily ?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm***
liddy was cloned in brazil from dna
taken from this guy’s fecal matter.
see the resemblance?
***
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:10 pmLiddy looked seriously out of it. I was waiting for drool to start flowing down his chin. He needs to produce a Certificate of Sanity.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 pmEx con, stoned and crazy… sounds normal for the right wing
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pmTotally. He looks like he took a couple of Benadryl about twenty minutes before going on the air.
Or maybe he’s just being controlled remotely from Cheney’s undisclosed location, and Cheney is only half paying attention because jerry Springer is on at the same time.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:18 pmIt’s hard to say whether it’s Scotch or Lithium but it’s obvious that Liddy exceeded the recommended dosage.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 pmWhat?! Scooter looked high as a kite! This is some Krazy shyte! Live and in living color Krazy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm***
proud,
ru related?
:)
btw, it’s not the guy from kiss.
:|
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:23 pmAnd where was Liddy’s proof? He just talked about what Obama’s so-called ’step’mother said was the truth, as if she were there. Obama never saw his dad but a couple of times so what would she know. How much money did they give her since the woman was destitute in the slums as Liddy said..
Show me the written/documented proof. Nobody ever ask those wingnuts for proof.
Why didn’t Chris drill Liddy the way he did his last guest the other day. I don’t care how old he is as long as he can lie he needs to be drilled and bring proof.
Liddy appeared as though he was about to fall asleep until the black guy started to question him. Then he jumped into action. heh!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pmmy question to mr. mathews:
why do you cheapen your program and insult the intelligence of your audience by having liddy on?
or buchanan?
i can’t see the benefit. what does it add to the national conversation?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pmIt’s good to see that Prod is still living the right-wing creed: ever lowered expectations.
This isn’t the first time Prod has been reduced to celebrating the ridicule of right-wing talking points as some kind of “keeping the message alive” triumph.
It seems to be kind of a theme with Prod.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pmThanks Matthews for giving these nuts a forum.
We can’t have any real discussion about a single-payer health insurance option, but we can have this.
More evidence that cable TV is the tabloids and your show is the National Enquirer.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 pmAnd surprise surprise! Another criminal right winger spreading lies about a black man! Spit.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 pmProd was hatched, just like Liddy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 pmIt makes me feel dirty to even entertain this notion logically but, why the Hell would this woman attend the birth of her future step-grandchild?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pmWait until Sarah runs for the presidency in 2012. Every other word out of her mouth about President Obama at her campaign stops will be, “And that black man in the White House raped me!!!!” just so she can hear the crowd yell, “Kill him! Off with his head!!!”.
I hate her. Have I mentioned this before? If not…*pushing Volumes 739-13,000 to you*.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmI don’t see this as giving Liddy a forum so much as exposing him for an incoherent old fool who can barely remain sitting upright.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmI saw Liddy and he was not operating on all cylinders, at best maybe half a cylinder. If his radio show is like that he must have a lot of dead air.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pmThe man is crazy. But if the republicans want him to push their birther crap then have at it, he is hardly a creditable person. It shows what length they will go to to attack Obama and democrats.
Actually, the original question was….was he born on the base or was he born off the base in a local hospital? As far as I know, JOHN MCCAIN REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE DURING LAST YEAR’S CAMPAIGN.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 pmSo “ProudToBeARacist”, his birth certificate and birth announcements aren’t enough for you? Where is yours? Prove you were born in the US. In fact prove you are even human. I doubt you can even do that.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmSo let’s look at Liddy’s argument:
one the one hand, you have a valid and multiply-verified birth certificate, two contemporary birth announcements in local Hawaii newspapers, even the testimony of a teacher at the school President Obama later attended, who recalled discussing the birth that week with the obstetrician who delivered the infant bron of a woman named “Stanley”.
On the other hand, you have Jerome Corsi, and a deposition from a “step-grandmother”.
Sure, I can see Liddy’s confidence in his case.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmThere. Fixed it for ya. ;-)
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 pmGood call, Prod. You don’t want anyone horning in on the territory you’ve worked so hard to make your own.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmOkay Proud, please tell us why the Secret Service has been providing security for an illegal alien President. Don’t they do background checks along with the FBI of all candidates running for the presidency? Is it possible the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA, and all individuals born in Hawaii over the past 50 years are in on the conspiracy?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pmThis is an insult to whoever performs background checks on potential Senators and other government officials. It’s like Scooter and his birthers are implying that anyone can walk into public office become a Senator and then the POTUS without so much as a reference check! These damn fools?!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 pm“ProudToBeARacist”, a racist like you would side with a cop who is an “expert” on profiling who arrested a man in his own house for demanding to know the name and badge number of the cop that in his house.
You are nothing but a fu**ing RACIST!
By the way, where is your birth certificate? Huh? COWARD
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 pmWhen has a wingnut ever spoken the truth? Never! And they are so sick that they make fictional things up and actually believe their own BS. That’s why they wear the ‘Lunatic Fringe’ label so proudly.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:41 pmIt’s clear to see Liddy’s your typical brain dead, fear filled, hate mongering, bigot. Why is
I thought my video froze but I figured it out.
Gordon Liddy is brain dead.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 pmReally? The cop did everything by the book? So according to you and the wicked expert cop, it’s okay to arrest someone for calling you a racist in your home when you’ve been proven innocent of any crime after you showed your ID? It’s okay to lure the innocent person out of the house to arrest him or her because as an Expert Racial Profiler, you know the only way to arrest a small petite black man with a cane after he called you a racist, it’s the only way?
I think you’re a racist, Proud. Try to have me arrested!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 pmBINGO! *hugging & kissing & dragging you around the room* LOL
OOps – I keep calling this tool Liddy – Scooter – my bad! This shyte is making me crazy! ROTFL!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 pmProudToBeARacist says:
You libtards are soooo easy, this is way too much fun.
So is your mother. And she is cheap too!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pmProud says :
Wrong moron, McCain was a citizen because….
Well, actually you are the RIGHT moron! Obama has already produced his birth certificate.
(If you had any brains, I could have asked you to produce the “full birth certificate” (or whatever it is you racist pigs call it) of anyone else born in Hawaii during that time Obama was born there.)
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmThe last gasp of a troll running on fumes.
The fumes of his own flatulence, no less.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Proud has low self-esteem what a shame.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pmG. Gordon Liddy should be still sitting in prison somewhere. He was and continues to be a traitor to this nation.
His release sent signals to the neo-cons that anything goes.
And that let Dick(head Cheney loose to continue the damage against the landscape of democracy.
And if we don’t send the war criminals of today to The Hague then the future will be chock full of “Dick(heads” against democracy!!!!!!!!!!
How do you stop Liz Cheney? Send her Dick(head father to prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pmMeanwhile, a good number of the people challenging the legitimacy of Obama would probably cheer an amendment to the Constitution allowing Schwarzenegger to run for president.
“In regard to him ever being president of the United States, my advice to you Aggies and to any of those doubters, don’t bet against Arnold Schwarzenegger,” Bush told about 2,500 people attending the award ceremony at Texas A&M University.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pmWe don’t even know if Liddy has this deposition. We just know he says he does. If he does, it could have been easily forged. We do not have her saying it is true. After all Liddy has done in his life, do you think it impossible for him to lie?
I have a relative with Alzheimers and Liddy reminds me of him. Whatever happened to Robert Novack?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmSecrets of Prod Revealed
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 pmI’m noticing that Proud never answers our questions. How come Proud? Don’t have answers? Can’t think on your feet because the mouse in your head sometimes falls off the wheel?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pmI have a deposition thatan eyewitness claims that they saw Mr.Liddy on his knees in a mens room in DC.I am not saying its true.Can Mr. Liddy prove that its not?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pmIsn’t Liddy a traitor to America? *putting microphone to Proud’s lips* Proud? Do you now the answer?
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm***
proud,
you have a short term memory, don’t you?
i told you yesterday; everybody ignores rhf.
:)
except you.
:)
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pmI’d say Prod’s self-esteem is right about where it should be. Any higher and he’d be way overvaluing himself.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pmProud…Were you in that mens room with GL?Iam not saying that you were but can you prove that you were not?
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 pmIf it was any higher he might register as a “COW”.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 pmrepublicans hate facts says:
ANY CHILD born of a US CITIZEN is *AUTOMATICALLY* a CITIZEN you IGNORANT D*UCHEBAG! It’s why JOHN MCCAIN is a CITIZEN even though he was BORN IN PANAMA!
You are correct. Here is my post from Media Matters:
Before anyone comes unhinged here are the theories of citizenship. The US follows, jus soli and lex soli. This means anyone born on US territory is a citizen. The lex soli is the 14th Amendment. The US also follows jus sanguinis which confers citizenship on anyone born to a US citizen.
This means Obama is a citizen by right of jus sanguinis and jus soli.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli (Abridged)
Jus soli (Latin for “right of the soil” or, somewhat figuratively, “right of the territory”), or birthright citizenship, is a right by which nationality or citizenship can be recognised to any individual born in the territory of the related state. At the turn of the nineteenth century, nation-states commonly divided themselves between those granting nationality on the grounds of jus soli (France, for example) and those granting it on the grounds of jus sanguinis (right of blood) (Germany, for example, before 2000).
Usually a practical regulation of the acquisition of nationality or citizenship of a state by birth on the territory of the state is provided by a derivative law called lex soli. Most states provide a specific lex soli, in application of the respective jus soli, and it is the most common means of acquiring nationality. A frequent exception to lex soli is imposed when a child was born to a parent in the diplomatic or consular service of another state, on a mission to the state in question.
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in pertinent part, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This makes citizens of all persons born in the United States, provided they are subject to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of their birth – that is, they are not the children of foreign diplomats and like persons who, having diplomatic immunity, are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction while they are in the country for diplomatic purposes.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 pmcec says:
I have a deposition thatan eyewitness claims that they saw Mr.Liddy on his knees in a mens room in DC.I am not saying its true.Can Mr. Liddy prove that its not?
I saw that same deposition, and I also heard from a friend of a distant cousin of mine, who works with a guy that said that there was a Boy Scout troop taking a tour of the building at the same time. Now I’m not making any accusations, but that is such a coincidence that it can’t be ignored.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:06 pmIs John Dean a Birther? Nope! He’s intelligent and doesn’t drag his knuckles on the ground when he walks.
Liddy is a criminal traitor. He’s right up the right wing’s alley!
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pmrepublicans hate facts says:
Lefty Liberal says:
I saw that same deposition, and I also heard from a friend of a distant cousin of mine, who works with a guy that said that there was a Boy Scout troop taking a tour of the building at the same time. Now I’m not making any accusations, but that is such a coincidence that it can’t be ignored.
I was talking to the security guard who worked on the floor and he said GL was TRADING BL*W J*BS with some “GUY” in a DRESS that goes by the term “Proud” when he/she posts on BLOGS. Some teenage pizza faced poorly socialized *nerd* looking “boy” according to the description…
Was ProudToBeARacist between the Boy Scout troop and the Catholic Alter boys?
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 pmIn all seriousness, Proud should be complimented for taking the hits that he has.He should take it easy or he will blow a gasket.Sugestion to Proud –Read one of Mr. Obamas books.It might help you understand him a little better.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 pmI saw a deposition from Liddy’s step-grandmother that says he was born the thirteenth child of old Mother Liddy, and upon emerging from his mother’s womb, he sprouted hooves, a horse’s head, bat wings and a forked tail. Then he flew up the chimney and disappeared, later to emerge in the Nixon administration.
This is in a deposition, mind you, so it’s legit.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 pmCheck out the Bozo Birther on this video in the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0luaYrJSxmQ&feature=player_embedded
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pmGotcha! *wink wink*
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pmcec says:
In all seriousness, Proud should be complimented for taking the hits that he has.He should take it easy or he will blow a gasket.Sugestion to Proud –Read one of Mr. Obamas books.It might help you understand him a little better.
I’m sure he can find an audio version since the vocabulary would be too hard for him to read.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pmDoes she also have a goat’s head, because if so, I think I may have seen her recently standing on the sidewalk prostituting herself out and her daughter!
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:19 pmrepublicans hate facts says:
Lefty Liberal says:
republicans hate facts says:
Lefty Liberal says:
I saw that same deposition, and I also heard from a friend of a distant cousin of mine, who works with a guy that said that there was a Boy Scout troop taking a tour of the building at the same time. Now I’m not making any accusations, but that is such a coincidence that it can’t be ignored.
I was talking to the security guard who worked on the floor and he said GL was TRADING BL*W J*BS with some “GUY” in a DRESS that goes by the term “Proud” when he/she posts on BLOGS. Some teenage pizza faced poorly socialized *nerd* looking “boy” according to the description…
Was ProudToBeARacist between the Boy Scout troop and the Catholic Alter boys?
I heard there was a nun’s habbit pinned with merit badges involved in the act. Sounded pretty “sicko” to me…
I didn’t get to read the deposition carefully, but I recall that it said that one of the merit badges was “fruit and nut growing”
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pmrepublicans hate facts says:
KayInMaine says:
Does she also have a goat’s head, because if so, I think I may have seen her recently standing on the sidewalk prostituting herself out and her daughter!
You know it’s kind of hard to tell an OLD GOAT and a JACK@SS apart from a DISTANCE. It’s why so many OLD WHITE RepubliKKKans “LOOK ALIKE”… ;)
Actually I think it is easy to tell the difference. An old goat would be someone like Liddy, the jacka$$ would be someone like Max Baucus ;)
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pmrepublicans hate facts says:
Lefty Liberal says:
I didn’t get to read the deposition carefully, but I recall that it said that one of the merit badges was “fruit and nut growing”
That said “growing”? I think my copy was blurred because I could have SWORN that read “blowing”… ;)
Oops sorry for the typo…;)
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pmGeorge Liddy wasn’t born, he was hatched…
(that’s what smart-ass kids said back in the 50s)
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pmLiddy was convicted of conspiracy and that’s not a theory He served 4.5 years for that one He is a drooling senile old juice freak I would guess too much raisin jack in the slammer burned his brain if he ever had one
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmPresident Obamas mother apparently was never in Kenya.Its obvious that the good ole USofA has a celestrial Being as our leader.The far right should get douwn on their collective knees and give thanks for this spiritual conception.(I wont say immaculate )
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pmhey liddy,
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pmhere comes the crazy train to pick your ass up! and how nice, they’re letting you be the conductor this time.
:::::choo-choo:::::
TO Lefty Liberal—That was not nice but god it was funny!!!
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:41 pmI’m late to this, but Why Would Anyone Believe This Nixon Era CRIMINAL?
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre, are you sure Liddy was hatched? I heard he’s the result of combining gasoline, mayonnaise, #2 heating oil, and an old chicken drumstick heated to a temperature of 112 degrees and then a drop of water added for effect!
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pmLiddy is either over-medicated or he is suffering a mental condition.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pmHe is a convicted felon, unrepentant, and undeserving of any credibility, particularly regarding the integrity of another persson, especially Barack Obama.
cec says:
TO Lefty Liberal—That was not nice but god it was funny!!!
Thanks, I would just like to ask you which post, because none of my posts have been particularly nice tonight.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pmPsychopath.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe REAL question you gotta ask is “Who got let out of prison? Was it Liddy or his illegal cousin from Transylvania?” I don’t know if Liddy has a cousin and don’t care but can Liddy prove he’s a citizen?? I haven’t seen him produce a valid birth certificate! I’ve also got a sworn affidavit from his great-aunt that he was born in Lithuania! If you want a copy, just let me know..
So G. Gordon..why did they let you out of prison???
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 pmI loved the day a few years back when Alberto Gonzalez was asked if his mother was a legal citizen of the United States or if she came over the border from Mexico illegally. *thinking back while looking at the ceiling* The look on his face was priceless.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 pmNixon was impeached for dishonesty and several of his henchmen were imprisoned.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmReagan made a secret deal with the Iranians during the Carter administration. Illegal.
Reagan made a secret deal with the contras in Nicaragua for arms. Illegal.
George Bush made a deal with the Saudis to escape our country when it was under lockdown after 9/11. Illegal.
George Bush helped expose a CIA covert agent. Illegal.
George Bush told lies to involve us in a war of his choice. Illegal.
But all that and more is immaterial to the lunatic trolls and the rabig rightwingers — no, they will take a statement from an illiterate old woman in Kenya and say that it trumps all official documents, newspaper reports, and the passage of 48 years.
They are really insane. They are unable/unwilling to accept a black man as president, a Democrat, who is popular with the people. It is simple racism being disguised as something else.
is it just me or does liddy look, act and talk like he’s overdosing on heroin in this clip? i’ve seen interviews with sid and nancy that made more sense.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmpssst, marie,
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 pmnixon was never impeached. he resigned before the proceedings could begin.
Destiny says
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
And where was Liddy’s proof? He just talked about what Obama’s so-called ’step’mother said was the truth, as if she were there. Obama never saw his dad but a couple of times so what would she know. How much money did they give her since the woman was destitute in the slums as Liddy said..
Show me the written/documented proof. Nobody ever ask those wingnuts for proof.
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It’s the wingnut double-standard. Not only does a “deposition” from some woman in Africa trump the entire government of Hawaii, but her word is sufficient “proof” of something without any further documentation.
These crackpots will deny anything they don’t want to hear, but any evidence they get supporting their fantasy is as solid as if it came from God Himself.
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 pmMarie says
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
They are really insane. They are unable/unwilling to accept a black man as president, a Democrat, who is popular with the people. It is simple racism being disguised as something else.
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While I think racism is the most likely reason for the crazy birth story, I have to allow for the possibility that it may just be because President Obama is a Democrat.
Remember how the wingnuts tried to circulate a rumor that Bill Clinton ordered people killed if they disagreed with him? Unfortunately for them, that story never gained any real traction. But if it had been any other Democrat besides Bill Clinton in the White House (or Obama), it would be something else just as preposterous.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pmHey gordy, you lost the election, get over it.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pmASk yourselves how is it any repectable journalist will give aplatform for this kind if idiotcy.Why was Matthews giving this lunatic a platform.That’s the question.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pmI can’t talk about this addle-brained felon any more. I have some gossip: OT
Meet Tennessee state senator Paul Stanley. He’s a solid conservative Republican and married father of two, who according to his website is “a member of Christ United Methodist Church, where he serves as a Sunday school teacher and board member of their day school.”
Stanley recently sponsored a bill designed to prevent gay couples from adopting children. And when a Planned Parenthood official recently sought his support for family planning services for Memphis teens, Stanley told her…that he “didn’t believe young people should have sex before marriage anyway, that his faith and church are important to him, and he wants to promote abstinence.”
In a sworn affidavit, a Tennessee state investigator has said that Stanley admitted to having a “sexual relationship” with a 22-year-old female intern working in his office, and to taking nude pictures of her in “provocative poses” in his apartment.
Things started to unravel for Stanley, it seems, in April, when he received a text message:
Good morning sir, …I have a video and some pictures you might be interested in seeing….
That was the start of an effort by the girl’s boyfriend to blackmail Stanley, which ultimately led to Stanley going to the cops. The boyfriend is now charged with trying to extort $10,000 from Stanley.
Oh, bonus! Stanley works as a financial adviser for the Stanford Financial Group, whose founder, Allen Stanford, has been charged with orchestrating an $8 billion scam.
Late Update: It gets worse. In 1994, Stanley’s first wife, Judy Martin, filed for a restraining order against him, charging that he had physically assaulted her three times. Stanley and Martin divorced the following year.
According to the Nashville Post, Stanley met his current wife, Kristi Stanley, soon afterwards, while both were working for Bill Frist’s U.S. Senate office in Memphis. She was working as — an intern.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pmI have to get the Liddy’s line of reasoning correct.
George from the royal Bush dynasty and Republicans leads us into this mess. With and endless extrapolation of facts, George is a success.
Obama, the half bread n—-r, born in the slums of Kenya, who is not an American, has led us into an abyss, “in six months”. How dare he be President? He isn’t pedigree.
Because Obama is a Democrat, he is evil, the devil incarnate.
With this mindset anything is possible with the racist Republicans.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pmThe mindset is called hate.
My memory is that Alberto Gonzales was asked if his grandparents were in the US legally and he answered “that is unclear”.
Nixon was told that it was pretty certain that he would not only be impeached, but also convicted. That is why he resigned—not for the sake of the country. That would be his last thought.
John Dean, in the end, was the only one involved in Watergate who told the truth. And for those who hate Dean, remember, he was Republican.
from Wikipedia:
“In 1980, Liddy published an autobiography, titled Will, which sold more than a million copies and was made into a television movie. In it he states that he once made plans with Hunt to kill journalist Jack Anderson, based on a literal interpretation of a Nixon White House statement “we need to get rid of this Anderson guy”.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pmLiddy is a convicted criminal and probably a traitor so I’m not sure why anyone listens to anything he says.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm“.Why was Matthews giving this lunatic a platform.”
apparently, matthews is doing a theme week on hardballs and the theme is “shine the light on the cancervative crazies”
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pmNow only in America can a convicted Criminal be trusted. Republicans seem to have alot of ex cons, sinners, perverts and even worse as the spoke persons. Now if President Obama who has his birth certificate isn’t an American then there are on legal Americans but the American Indian. This topic only shows the World just how really dumb Americans truly are. I wish these kkk racist would just say they don’t want an African American as President, but he can clean up Bush’s mess.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pmIt bears repeating: Liddy is a convicted felon, an avowed racist extremist and has no more credibility on the tube than I would have manning the launch controls at Cape Canaveral. It’s kinda cool though to see the depths of slime and filth the fascists will dredge to credit their bone-crushingly stupid accusations. A felon, a drug addict, endless numbers of perverts, cheaters, closeted self hating homosexuals and stone-cold psychos…pray for the nation.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:32 pmBozo, Yes, I stand corrected. Nixon resigned when he learned impeachment was inevitable.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pmA REMINDER TO THE NECK DROOLING NEOCONS:
President Barack Hussein Obama’s father was name, Barack Hussein Obama!
If anyone went to Kenya and asked if “Barack Hussein Obama” was born there, they (the locals in Kenya) would know the father and not the son (the current President of the United States). Get it now, morons?
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pmKeith, read this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/17/gonzales-grandparents-illegal/
Gonzales was unclear whether his parents were documented or not.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
pssst, marie,
nixon was never impeached. he resigned before the proceedings could begin.
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Hmmm… something about this…
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm“The world is flat.”
“There is no global warming.”
“The sky is falling.”
“Obama is an illegal alien.”
It must be a very strange experience being an ignorant Republican.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 pmLL –.The comment about getting an audio version of Mr. Obamas book.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pmWilly says:
It must be a very strange experience being an ignorant Republican.
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You forgot: The Earth is only 6,000 years old…
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 pmMarie says:
Meet Tennessee state senator Paul Stanley. He’s a solid conservative Republican and married father of two, who according to his website is “a member of Christ United Methodist Church, where he serves as a Sunday school teacher and board member of their day school.”
Stanley recently sponsored a bill designed to prevent gay couples from adopting children. And when a Planned Parenthood official recently sought his support for family planning services for Memphis teens, Stanley told her…that he “didn’t believe young people should have sex before marriage anyway, that his faith and church are important to him, and he wants to promote abstinence.”
In a sworn affidavit, a Tennessee state investigator has said that Stanley admitted to having a “sexual relationship” with a 22-year-old female intern working in his office, and to taking nude pictures of her in “provocative poses” in his apartment.
I believe that having an extramarital affair is one of the qualifications to run as a Republican. Another is a large dose of hypocrisy with a large portion of false piety. If I am wrong let me know.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pmThese traitors are looking for one nutjob with a rifle to shoot President Obama. And we should go back to investigating GHW Bush and all his cronies involved in the two Kennedy assasinations and all the related crimes they have committed.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pmIf Obama had any issues or concerns around him becoming president, the Hilary camp would have found it. It was not that long ago and I am sure all remember the primary election.
The obstructionist party of No are playing on the prejudiced nature of their member to distract, gain approval points and support. They are lying when they claim to really believe this nonsense.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pmMOMBASA! MOMBASA! MOMBAAAAAAAAAASAAAAAAAAA!
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sloppybastard @#136 – if you don’t like the content – GTFO clown!
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:03 pmbastardinado thinks that this is a sucess story for the right. I’m laughing my ass off at him.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pmI don’t know if Liddy was high or just defeated – ROTFL! It was too ridiculous for words! What’s the G. stand for? Goofball?
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 pmDid this occur toanyone else? Mr.Liddy reminded me of the elderly lady at aJohn McCain rally when Sen. McCain took the mic and explained that Sen.Obama was a good man.She sounded like GL in drag.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 pmhey bastardino, please share your drug induced vision with us. You know, the one where someone intelligent actually listens to gordo and does what exactly. I’m curious as to what you think might happen beyond the right looking more and more unhinged every day.
I’m with Shayne, people like this are inciting violence and they are the biggest threat to our nation to date.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m getting tired of reading Proud’s endless rants. So here we go, Proud, let’s see just how proud you are of your “citizenship” and your knowledge of the Constitution and U.S. Laws
Citizenship by birth (INA § 301, 8 USC § 1401)
The US law on citizenship by birth incorporates two traditional legal principles:
* ius soli (”right of the soil”), under which citizenship results from being born in the US, and
* ius sanguinis (”right of the blood”), under which citizenship results from having an American parent or parents.
Each of these principles is subject to certain restrictions. For example, children born in the US to foreign diplomats are not US citizens. Also, children born abroad to parents who have US citizenship but have never lived in the US are not US citizens (this rule being designed to prevent the proliferation of endless generations of foreign-born and -raised “Americans”).
Many dual-citizenship situations result from the interaction of two countries’ implementations of ius soli and/or ius sanguinis in their respective citizenship laws. For example, a child might acquire the citizenship of the country in which he was born (via ius soli), and also the citizenship of his parents’ country (via ius sanguinis), and as a result start life as a dual citizen.
Section 301 of the INA [8 USC § 1401] defines the following classes of people as having US citizenship from the time of birth:
* anyone born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction (basically meaning anyone other than a child of foreign government representatives with diplomatic immunity);
* Indians and other aboriginal people born in the US;
* anyone born outside the US, if at least one parent is a US citizen and certain residency or physical presence requirements were fulfilled by the citizen parent or parents prior to the child’s birth;
* anyone who is found in the US while under five years of age, whose parents cannot be identified, and who is not shown prior to his or her 21st birthday to have been born outside the US.
Now I don’t think that even you would disagree when I state that President Obama’s mother was born and raised in Kansas. So i.a.w. U. S. law President Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States and therefore the legally elected President of the United States, whether YOU like it or not, or would you deny the proper functioning of the law? If so, I’d say that you were not acting like the patriot you pretend to be, just another “birther” looking for a way to make the real world go away and be like they want it to be. At this point let me say something I’ve wanted to say for months:
“YOUR GUY LOST, DEAL WITH IT!!!!!” Can you hear that Proud??
Finally as a PROUD veteran of 26 years of service to this country of ours I learned to respect the office of the President and the person legally elected to that office. I am personally offended that you continually call my President “Bambi”. How rude and crude can you be. You put yourself up as a Proud Patriot, but your words say very loudly otherwise. Yes, I vehemently disagreed with ex-President Bush, but you will never find anywhere where I lowered my values and called him names, especially ones that thinly hide the racist’s views that you obviously harbor.
Wake up, it’s the 21st Century. If you can’t accept the reality that this country has matured and grown out of your brand of life view, then shut up and get out of the way and let those who value this country continue to improve the lot of EVERY citizen of this fine country. Take it from someone who has been around the world twice and seen many countries and forms of governments, ours is still the best, but like anything human, there’s always room for improvement, let’s start with you growing up and debating like the patriot you think you are and the rest of the adults in this PROGRESSIVE forum. If you can’t go somewhere where your rants will be appreciated and understood.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 pmKayInMaine,
Thanks for the link. My ears (sub par) still hear “grandparents”. Plus there is TP’s headline and CNN’s chyron.
Like your website and the neat photos. Bush laughing, Cronkite, and the five attrative ones of you (or is that your daughter?). Please don’t post my effing email address.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 pmMy apologies for the comment @118. It was crass and uncalled for.
No excuses, flight
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 pmRetiredSailor,
Well said, and thank you for your service to our country.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pmG. Gordon Liddy’s mental illness, in the hands of the right P.R. person can be used to help push for universal single payer healthcare that provides mental health services to every american…
Anything for the cause…
:|
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pmflight, I get where you’re coming from. Many of us are just as frustrated. No worries.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 pmBut, what can you expect from a man described by his supervisor as superklutz, a man who, as assistant d.a. during jury summation, shot a bullet into the ceiling of the courtroom, and who, as a child, was a great admirer of Adolf Hitler?
mental illness indeed…
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm:|
I saw this interview tonight live. It should be spread everywhere anyone has access. Liddy looked like a comatose mind-warped imbecile, which pretty much sums up the general mental state of the “birthers”.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm***
#117 marie,
#10 re: paul stanley.
btw, paul stanley is anagram for SlappyBastinado.
coincidence?
i think not.
:)
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pmhormiga, from the wiki:
George Gordon Battle Liddy (born November 30, 1930). Liddy was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, to Sylvester James Liddy and Maria Abbaticchio (foreigner?). Never fought in Korea (1952-54) due to appendis.
Sentences to 20 years in 1973. Carter commuted his sentence to eight yrs and paroled him after four and a half years.
latimes.com:
June 29, 1995
“….the contentious four-day National Assn. of Radio Talk Show Hosts convention in Houston, where G. Gordon Liddy was given the Freedom of Speech Award.”
How orwellian!
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 pmG. Gordon Liddy has a very limited fan base.
They wear brown shirts and throw their right arms out straight and slight up.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 pmpastcaring,
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:07 pm29 at the FBI, his superior called him a “wild man”.
Oh, this is so gooood!
“Liddy, the man behind the first watergate break-in”.
Yeah, that took the fall!
KKKarl was around back then, but was too much of a newby to be prosecuted.
I’m sure KKKarl is watching…..
This whole psych-out birther thing wreaks of Rove.
Thank you, Chris Mathews.
That was the next best thing to channeling Nixon!
And thank you, Gordon Liddy.
For not keeping your sh*t together!
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Jebus. Repubes are brain-dead window lickers. All of ‘em.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 pmKarl Rove was doing dirty tricks during the 1972 campaign—like stealing Democratic letter head and writing about Muskie marital affairs. That’s why the film of Muskie crying and dropping out. That’s why we got McGovern instead. I worked for McGovern but the public was fooled by propaganda against him and he lost big. My friend, Wayne LaPierre (later N.R.A.) also worked for McGovern in Mass. He was really to the left of Govern. Idolized the Chicago Eight.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm“Update Alex Koppelman looks more into Liddy’s claim:
What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae, who conducted an interview with Sarah Obama, the second wife of President Obama’s grandfather, through a translator. (Sarah Obama is not the president’s biological grandmother, but he calls her “Granny Sarah.”)
In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point that she was there for her grandson’s birth. But that was a mistake, a confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for download here.)”
Thanks for the update TP! Now will some one personally deliver this information to Chris Matthews, who’s to stupid to do any journalistic investigating himself, then bug him till he produces these facts on his show.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:29 pmOutlaw284 ,
numbers 1-4 are false. He was born in Hawaii, after it became a state. And if he were not, he would still be a US citizen because his mother was. Just like John McCain in Panama.
Try for more truthful sources of information.
Read all links in the posts to get the truthful info.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:33 pmHere’s the real problem you have, outlaw.
You either find no discrepancy between the truth and lies…
OR….
You really don’t give a flying flip,
enjoy being an egocentric S.O.B.,
And just came here to get attention.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 pmI campaigned for McGovern, too, Keith.
The dirty tricks of the GOP were unprecedented, back then.
Now, unfortunately, they’re acceptable practice.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think we need to take up a collection and help fund the birthers: airline tickets to Faux News HQ, batteries for their cell phones- what ever they need. At the moment these nutters are the face of the Party of Lies. So let’s provide the pancake and powder. It’s the least we can do.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:50 pm… just found this thread…
i saw this interview earlier… very creepy…
i cannot discern what kind of drugs the man is on…
but obviously drugged.
very ugly.
very bad vibes.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 pmokie doke, even though Muskie was not better than MCgovern, he polled a lot higher. Getting rid of Muskie made it a lot easier for Repubs to win.
Rove was heard of the Youn Republicans and dropped out of school to work tricks on the campaign. What was the name of the dirty trickster from USC? Donald Segrett? Lee Attwater learned from him, and Rove learned from Atwatter.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 pmWhat kind of drugs is Liddy on these days? He was barely conscious.
I like him that way…
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:56 pmpi314 says:
[...]
Liddy looked like a comatose mind-warped imbecile…
that works…
July 24th, 2009 at 12:02 amHey Zooster, back from you King Crab, skiing tryst with db?
July 24th, 2009 at 12:04 amKeith,
That must have been some other Zooey. ;)
July 24th, 2009 at 12:08 amRiiigghht!
db and the ‘other Zooey’ got voted down just for saying goodnite on that thread. Strange trools.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:10 amDon’t let it scare you, Katy.
Watch a few Bill Murray movies and it will give you some perspective on his.
Liddy’s performance today was like a freeze- frame of karma for all the lies, greed, and obstruction he’s participated in.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:11 ammore righty mouth-breathers.
yeee-haaawwww!!!
and this outlaw clown dares impugn anyone’s intelligence!?!?
laugh of the week, and it’s only thursday night.
hey outlaw – your pointy hood’s showin’ – best head off to the woods to burn something with your circle-jerkin’ militia buds, whydontcha??
July 24th, 2009 at 12:12 amZee, I had a long day yesterday and 2 beers, but I thought I remembered you two bathing in butter and seafood in the Sunni Triangle. Also, something about a rocket launcher. Maybe that was a bad dream. Too much pizza just before sleep!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:14 amKeith says:
Strange trools.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:10 am
I saw that! I’d call them dicks, but that would inappropriate. Heh.
Well, I’ve got a movie waiting for me. Have a good night!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:15 amKeith says:
Zee, I had a long day yesterday and 2 beers, but I thought I remembered you two bathing in butter and seafood in the Sunni Triangle. Also, something about a rocket launcher. Maybe that was a bad dream. Too much pizza just before sleep!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Not “bathing,” it was surfing. :-D
Goodnight!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:16 amI remember body surfing in butter.
What’s the movie.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:18 amhormiga brava chavez says:
I don’t know if Liddy was high or just defeated …
i saw that too… the defeated… but i couldn’t accept that after all…
…
i’m reading backwards… interesting that way…
that’s all for me tho…
driving to the city in the morning… for a weekend visit…
wedding stuff…
my psyche needs a break… will be listening to stephanie and ed on the way up, and then it’s news blackout, mostly…
my daughter worries about me – “why do you listen if it makes you crazy?!?”
heh.
g’nite. take care of it…
July 24th, 2009 at 12:19 amG. Felon Liddy is the best argument we have for mental health parity legislation we have
July 24th, 2009 at 12:22 amYou know Keith, I was still in high school back then. Not old enough to vote. But the McGovern campaign never recovered from the Eagleton/depression issue.
I’ve often wondered if KKKarl Rove’s interest in psycological warfare began then.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:23 amWe have x 1. Sorry.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:23 amOk Outlaw… WHO says the BC he produced is fake? The only people who have examined the actual document say it’s real. The Repugnant Governor of Hawaii says it’s real. Some right-winger “examined” it on the web and has “proven” it fake?
Give me documents, give me facts, give me NAMES.
WHO says the President has spent $800k trying to keep people from seeing it? WHO? Give me documents, give me NAMES! I’ve seen that allegation a thousand times and NOT ONE PERSON ever backs it up with more than “I read somewhere that…”
Don’t point me to other wingnuts who say the same thing, show me WHO HAS ANY EVIDENCE!!
You asswads just recycle all the crap you read on Lucianne and Rushbo and not one of you has the brains or the WILL to even question. You parrot, you “ditto”, you trade interwebs allegations as if they were fact. YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:25 amNo, stupid troll. We aren’t pissed because we can’t prove you wrong. We are pissed because the resources of this country, not to mention precious time, are being wasted trying to placate the ravings of freaks and imbeciles who will argue that the Sun rises in the West if a democrat notes that it rises in the East. And we’re pretty sick of the xenophobia, racism, and downright criminality of the GOP and it’s apologists.
And, keep in mind, that numerous lawsuits have been dismissed in ridicule when the presiding courts have examined the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate. The official registered copy complete with all the appropriate stamps and signatures, in the appropriate place on the back.
Said courts have been granted the appropriate access and have even gone to the step of having the Governor and Attorney General of Hawaii reaffirm that the vault copy is present, genuine, and is accurately reflected by the registered copy. Though it would have been simpler to just call the Secret Service, the Pentagon, and FBI and inquired about the status of President Obama’s security clearance.
If you want to see his birth certificate with your own eyes? Write the President and ask. If you want to believe that a 47 year conspiracy to put a foreigner in office has been perpetrated by the nefarious Democrats? I can’t help you and I would guess that every psychiatrist in the World would be unable to help you either.
It is such a ridiculous, debunked, and just plain stupid notion that I can only assume you have broken with reality so completely that the only world that exists to you is the magic fairy kingdom you carry around up your ass, along with your head.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:27 amOkie Dokie, I was 23. The Eagleton depression thing was part of it. Depression does not mean you cannot hold an office (with a few meds). Bobby Kennedy had it bad after JFK died. Dick Cavet had it. Napoleon was manic/depressive.
I heard a lot of propaganda from the other side that McGovern was FAR left and would quickly hand over Vietnam to the Viet Cong. And a Robin Hood giving hard-earned money to welfare bumb.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:32 amAs a future teacher, I look at the fact that I might have to teach the children of these ‘birthers’ and I just shake my head.
Seriously, the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, etc. would NOT have given him clearance if this ridiculous urban legend was at all true.
But then again, some people believe that the earth is flat and it is 6000 years old, that global warming is a hoax, that evolution is ‘just a theory’, and that the moon landings were filmed in a Hollywood studio. :|
July 24th, 2009 at 12:34 amWell, that was very appealing to the youth, though, after seeing our friends and their brothers killed in vietnam.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:35 amI don’t find any credibility in this idea.
But, even if it were true, why would it matter? Would it significantly change anything? If people found out that Obama was born in Mombasa, would they storm Pennsylvania Avenue and demand the White House back?
Is that seriously all these opponents have? A ridiculous technicality that they want to use to overturn the last 9 months.
Regardless of whether there is any truth to the allegations (which I absolutely doubt), Giddy and the others should give it up.
Because even if it were true, no one would care.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:36 amProudMoron you ignorant, racist, piece of filth. There is a story about two jews in Dachau. One was praying and the other asked him why. The first Jew said he was giving thanks to God. When the second Jew asked what he had to be thankful for in Dachau he answered “That I am not like THEM” This is the purpose a stupid punkass troll serves decent human beings. I can go to bed at night and thank GOD that I am not like YOU.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:39 amAs for Eagleton, McGovern stood up for him. It was the GOP’s pressure that caused Eagleton to withdraw.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:41 amModerate Man says:
and that the moon landings were filmed in a Hollywood studio. :|
It was filmed in an abanded military base in the Arizon desert. I saw the documentary “Capricorn One”.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:44 am****
guess who gave outlaw his 10th
vote down?
moi.
very “proud” of that.
:)
July 24th, 2009 at 12:45 amHey, I thought I did!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:48 ambackup says:
Regardless of whether there is any truth to the allegations (which I absolutely doubt), Giddy and the others should give it up.
Because even if it were true, no one would care.
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Always w/ the misleading arguments and strawmen, huh, b-cup?
“which I absolutely doubt”… you doubt? You only doubt?
You’re not absolutely SURE?
You’re NOT going to come right out and say “This is preposterous and embarrassing”? You’re going to leave that little kernel, that little germ of… “well… possibly… he’s not…”???
And then, to state… “Even if it were, no one would care”???
Are you serious?
Like the Wingnut-o-sphere isn’t all in a tizzy already?
Glenn Beck?
Liddy?
Dobbs?
All the GOOP Congressfools trying to push that absurd “birth certificate” legislation?
Are you EVER straight up about anything you say?
July 24th, 2009 at 12:48 amSupreme executive power derives from the mandate of the masses.
http://vodpod.com/watch/73441-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail
Trying to overturn that mandate by technicality is no basis for a system of government.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:50 amSlappyMoron. What is the point here? You can beg us all you want for our pity but since no one will read your comments once they are sent to the sewer where they belong it really wont do you much good. Your begging is rendered irrelevant. Its true. You will never be anything but a moron and you will never have any self respect but since only about 10 people will read your sewage before its flushed begging us to pity you is now pointless.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:51 amRepublic. There are not many absolutes.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:51 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Just wanted you to know Outlaw you ignorant punkass troll. I didnt read your post. I just opened it to give you another SMACKDOWN
July 24th, 2009 at 12:52 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
backup says:
Republic. There are not many absolutes.
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And of course, in this instance, that reply is a dodge.
But there are things called “facts”…
2 plus 2 does equal 4…
The Titanic did sink…
Perhaps you care to reserve the right to doubt both of those too…
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
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What more would you need, b-cup?
To touch the birth certificate w/ your own hands?
July 24th, 2009 at 12:56 amThank you EugeneDebs.
He was quite abusive, and took everybody’s points.
Bastard.
July 24th, 2009 at 12:57 am.
G Gordon Liddy is grounded in truth…
… HOW?
This man knows nothing but Loyalty to a Party and Lies.
… Nuff said!
.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:00 amRepublic. I thought about what you said. ‘absolutely doubt’ isn’t a good way to put it.
Anything is possible, but just as I do not believe in Santa Claus, or the Yeti, or ghosts, or flying saucers, or that 9/11 was an inside job; I also do not believe in the allegations of the birthers.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:01 am.
Dear Back’dUp,
WHO’S THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST…
… NOW?
.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:02 amRepublic, I don’t know what you’re arguing about. We’re on the same page.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:03 amI thought he seemed grounded in oxycontin and absinthe.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:03 ambackup says:
Republic, I don’t know what you’re arguing about. We’re on the same page.
___________
Actually, we’re not, but hey… you just gotta be you.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:05 amWell, I discount the birthers. I said this in #186:
So, the only disagreement we would have, is if you find birther claims credible.
I doubt you really feel that way. We’re on the same page.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:09 ambackup says:
Are you EVER straight up about anything you say?
Republic. There are not many absolutes.
And there you have it backup. That is why you are constantly adrift and why you always think there is some middle ground to everything.
I think you’re trying, but you really need to find a moral compass that you clearly lack.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:12 ambackup says:
Anything is possible, but just as I do not believe in Santa Claus, or the Yeti, or ghosts, or flying saucers, or that 9/11 was an inside job; I also do not believe in the allegations of the birthers.
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So… even while you’re saying you “do not believe” in the allegations… strange construction there, BTW… “believe IN the allegations”?… you preface your remark w/ a disclaimer… “Anything is possible”…
And… in the end… use “believe”…
There is a difference between acknowledging a fact, such as the Titanic did indeed sink, and “believing” something.
Belief is akin to faith, b-cup. You can believe in God, and have faith, but you can’t prove God exists.
But facts are… facts. 2 plus 2 equals 4.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:13 ambackup says:
So, the only disagreement we would have, is if you find birther claims credible.
______________
And that’s the whole point of the way you constructed your statement… to try and twist things around so I’M now on THAT side of the argument.
Nice try…. no cigar.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:15 amgummble-bee-itch says:
backup says:
Are you EVER straight up about anything you say?
Republic. There are not many absolutes.
And there you have it backup.
_____________
And this is AFTER he USED the “absolute”, to boot…
“I absolutely doubt”…
What could that possibly mean as a comment?
I’m ABSOLUTELY sure that I’m not sure?
Makes ya kinda dizzy after while, doesn’t it?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:16 amgummitch. Come on. I’m uncomfortable with absolutes. But, is what I’m saying in #186 really that unclear?
I don’t find Giddy credible. But, I’m making the point that even if his conspiracy were true (which I do not believe) – who would care? Why would it matter?
Besides the technicality, what difference would it make if Obama was born in a hospital in Mombasa? Does that make him any different?
If the only difference is the technicality of qualifications to be president, I make the point that it’s sad, if that technicality is the only basis for their objections.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:25 amThe birthers are simply weak-minded Obama-haters that are being manipulated by political strategists waging narcissistic psycological warfare against Obama and the dems.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:25 amAgain,
SMELLS LIKE KKKARL ROVE!
And he could care less who gets hurt or played ’cause it’s not going to be him and the money is oh, so good!
July 24th, 2009 at 1:30 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
But facts are… facts. 2 plus 2 equals 4.
http://virgil.azwestern.edu/~dag/lol/TwoPlusTwo.html
Republic. This is swerving off topic, but I have had more absolute convictions about things in the past. But, the more I read or the more different information I am exposed to, I often find those absolute truths, weren’t so absolute after all.
But, you should continue to be as absolute as you want to be.
See ya.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:36 amOutlaw284 says:
I can see that you libs just don’t like facts.
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Sorry, dude… yer livin’ in a fantasy land.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
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Uh… by any chance… do you believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, too?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:38 ambackup says:
Republic. This is swerving off topic…
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Which is almost always the case w/ you, b-cup…\
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but I have had more absolute convictions…
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Ah yes… “convictions”… ‘beliefs”… “doubts”….
More double talk…
But, you should continue to be as absolute as you want to be.
See ya.
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Funny… YOU were the one who used “absolute” first…
July 24th, 2009 at 1:41 amEvery minute spent debating Obama’s birth certificate is another minute not spent talking about the failed Republican policies under the GOP failure George Bush. Do you need any more proof the GOP have NOTHING for America but this kind of BS?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:42 amOutlaw284 says:
The senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed what are the required features of a certified birth document — features that Obama’s purported “birth certificate” clearly lack.
An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama’s alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.
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Good lord… yer desperate.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:43 ambackup says:
I think you’re trying, but you really need to find a moral compass that you clearly lack.
gummitch. Come on. I’m uncomfortable with absolutes. But, is what I’m saying in #186 really that unclear?
I honestly don’t care . . . what is obvious is that you’re “uncomfortable with absolutes.” As I have commented repeatedly, you constantly seek a mythical middle ground and seem to perceive that as a virtue. It’s simple cowardice, backup. I don’t see any other way to describe it.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:43 amAbove the Clouds says:
Every minute spent debating Obama’s birth certificate is another minute not spent talking about the failed Republican policies under the GOP failure George Bush.
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Gee… do you think that just might be the point?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:43 amgummble-bee-itch says:
It’s simple cowardice, backup. I don’t see any other way to describe it.
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It’s also deliberately misleading and just muddles things up…
It’s almost as if he were trying to do Just That on purpose, huh?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:45 amAGAIN, BIRTHERS ARE TOOLS OF MANIPULATION IN A CAMPAIGN OF DISTRACTION TO OBSTRUCT PROGRESS!!!
Sorry I had to yell, but, damn!
July 24th, 2009 at 1:46 amWhat kind of a “conservative” loser would spend all this time at a “liberal” blog site defending the insane rantings of a lunatic like Liddy?
July 24th, 2009 at 1:46 amI’m thinking Liddy could be the godfather of “looney”.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:52 amOkay, gummitch. I’m out, but do me a favor and give me an example of an absolute that I can ponder. (I know, that’s an opening)
I don’t believe they exist.
July 24th, 2009 at 1:54 amThe only absolute is nothingness.
July 24th, 2009 at 2:02 ambackup says:
Okay, gummitch. I’m out, but do me a favor and give me an example of an absolute that I can ponder. (I know, that’s an opening)
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How stragne… you had your own “absolute” earlier…
Were you lying?
Do you not believe what you yourself said?
Or are you just… hopelessly confused?
July 24th, 2009 at 2:06 amO.K. I’m going O.T.
Physicians at Guantanamo violate medical ethics: study
AFP
Published: Thursday July 23, 2009
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Physicians_at_Guantanamo_violate_me_07232009.html
Q U E S T I O N:
Even IF Holder goes after those that strayed from the orders given by Bush/Cheney, how does that make the orders to TORTURE legal enough to not pursue?
SINCE WHEN DID WATER BOARDING BECOME LEGAL?
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Alright, Republic. I agree that absolute doubt was a poor choice. I tried to correct it back in #202. (I don’t think doubt and absolute can be used together). point taken.
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p.s.
Dear Back’dUp,
Please read my O.T. post about your absolute…
… The Rule of Law REQUIRES accountability.
NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW!
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July 24th, 2009 at 2:16 amjaim. Does that fact that a majority of American people voted for him have any bearing?
Besides the technicality, how does that charge make any substantive difference?
July 24th, 2009 at 2:17 am.
Dear jaim,
Ummm…
… Birther much?
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July 24th, 2009 at 2:18 ambackup says:
Besides the technicality, how does that charge make any substantive difference?
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Well… it certainly seems to matter to the rightwing whackjobs foaming at the mouth over it, huh? Gee… could it be a deliberate distraction from the real issues?
It’s both painful and astonishing to see how desperate types, like Outlaw, cling to such silly nonsense as being important or meaningful. Go take a look at the talk of revolt over at Red State or Freeperville,,,
July 24th, 2009 at 2:21 am.
Dear jaim,
At what age can I revoke my citizenship?
p.s.
GOT A LINK TO THAT CLAIM, “I think everyone’s forgetting one small fact. He was adopted by his Indonesian step-father and moved to Indonesia. He had to revoke his US citizenship to attend school. So either way, he’s not a citizen and doesn’t belong in office!
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July 24th, 2009 at 2:21 amMax. If we’re going O.T., a counter to the ‘NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW’ would be to ask if it was right to impeach Clinton because he broke the law by lying under oath. (disclaimer: I think that impeachment was a bad idea).
Additionally, I found a video that challenges some previously established absolutes in physics. It’s pretty interesting, and it’s a cartoon. (I love cartoons)
Check it out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618
July 24th, 2009 at 2:28 amAmerican born children can have dual citizenship until they are at least 18.
Obama attended high school in Hawaii, right?
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Citizenship cannot be revoked from a minor natural born American child.
July 24th, 2009 at 2:36 amjaim. Does any of it really make Obama any different in his capacity to lead?
Is the whole effort (whether there’s any validity or not) tied to the technicality of his citizenship?
July 24th, 2009 at 2:39 amIf you understood what I wrote, I said his step-father revoked it. If he truly was an American citizen then the same rules would apply to him. The custodial parent makes decisions concerning the well-being and care of the child. All major legal decisions are made by the custodial parent.
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I think the statement below is the stupidest yet from ProudlyIdiotic. President Obama criticized the cop who arrested a black man for being in his own home with a bit of humor thrown in; he did not attack him physically like a Black Panther. But ProudlyIdiotic’s obvious racism and stupidity won’t allow him to see the difference.
Proud to be a Moron says:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:41 amIt may not be Sarah, but Bambi just lost his next term by acting like a Black Panther and attacking a cop who did everything by the book in arressting(SIC) that race baiter Gates.
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jaim. There’s been plenty of progress. It’s just progress in a direction that’s counter to your ideals.
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I understood what you wrote.
If you are born in the U.S. you keep your American citizenship, no matter what, until you are 18.
You remain an American citizen after 18 unless you choose the citizenship of another country.
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NOBODY CAN REVOKE IT!!!!!!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 2:48 amOut-of-Brainmatter,
Don’t flatter yourself that I could get pissed off about a delusional rightwing fool like you. If I’m pissed at all, it’s because of the time you hardheaded birthers are wasting. And, BTW, you have not proven yourself right.
Out-of-Brainmatter says:
July 24th, 2009 at 2:48 amI would like one person to prove what i posted to be wrong. Just one. The problem is that there isn’t a one of you that can prove me wrong and that is what pisses you all off
No. I don’t see it. I don’t believe the birther arguments. But, even if they were true, I believe the focus of birthers is lame. They are attempting to prevail politically, not by presenting a superior argument, but by hiding behind a trumped up charges of a technicality.
What I’m saying to birthers is ‘go out and try to win by playing the game, not by standing around brainstorming how to have the other team disqualified.
July 24th, 2009 at 2:54 am#239 Back’dUp,
That’s not a counter. That’s a straw-man argument.
WHEN DID YOU STOP BEATING YOUR HUSBAND?
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July 24th, 2009 at 2:56 amMax. I never stopped beating your husband.
Did you watch the quantum clip?
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The fact is, Obama’s mother is an American citizen, and the “natural citizen” as stated in the Constitution has never been defined. As much as you knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, slovenly thinking idiot right-wingers want to use his birth in Hawaii to disqualify a black man from the presidency, it’s not going to work. Try again, morons.
Plenty of officials have dual citizenship with the U.S. and Israel, and it hasn’t kept them from their posts.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:05 am.
Dear jaim,
Link-less still?
Prove you’re NOT from Mars, posing as an undercover agent from that rogue planetoid Pluto, out scouting for ways to supplant Earth so as to regain that full fledged status of once again becoming a “REAL” planet?
p.s.
I also heard some people mentioning that you’re a Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Christian/Pagan Ageist! Care to disprove THAT?
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July 24th, 2009 at 3:05 amPeople — The birther scam is just that. It is a premeditated attempt heap scorn on the President, to mock him and allow them to cast aspersions on him to their heart’s content. Like the John Birchers of the 50s and 60s they will stoop to the lowest level of mud-slinging to denigrate those they target.
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Oh excuse me…I misread. I am a Christian thanks
July 24th, 2009 at 3:10 amYou know, fun and games are all well and good.
And when you’re the loser, the rules never seem fair.
But this is not an election year and everybody needs to put aside their petty differences and let important, progressive change take place.
Or learn Chinese.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:12 am#260 wiley,
Replace “black man” from that statement and substitute “American” and then let “birthers” reply. Next thing you come to know is that the reason they tell you is that he’s not “American” enough!
Of course we all know these people make this claim IS because the President of the USA is black.
I like to let them say how they really feel.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:16 amjaim. You’re Christian. If God is all powerful, wouldn’t it follow that Obama’s election must be God’s will? If Obama’s election was God’s will, aren’t birthers denying God’s will?
July 24th, 2009 at 3:17 amIt’ not about winning or losing. It’s about what’s right, for the country and the people. I’m all for progessive change. I just have seen absolutely nothing of it yet. And I really don’t see where any is in the works.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:17 am.
jaim says:
A: For starters; A black man in Office.
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July 24th, 2009 at 3:17 amHey, the stock market is up!
July 24th, 2009 at 3:20 am#263 jaim says:
Ummm, dude…
… So it’s NOT unsubstantiated claims of conspiracy theories when YOU DO IT?
YES?
O.K.
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jaim. I agree with you that it’s not about race and I’m kidding about the God’s will comment.
But, come on. The idea is conspiratorial and seems pretty loony. It’s a distraction.
I think birthers should give it up and go back to fighting politics old school – with ideas.
Nice talking with you. Good night.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:30 am.
Dear jaim,
WHAT DOES IT MAKE YOU WHEN YOU SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHAT GOD’S WILL IS…
… OR ISN’T?
p.s.
AGAIN,
Prove IT!
If you can’t and continue to refuse to LINK THE PROOF, you’re perpetuating THE canard by HEARSAY. In legal terms, it could be construed as Liable of Defamation of Character. Be happy Obama’s being a nice guy to your Heroin, Liz, by not pressing charges. Now THAT would be a pie in that D!ck’s face. Because then his pacemaker will have to go into O.T.
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July 24th, 2009 at 3:34 amActually the best progress we’ve had this year is getting rid of Bush…..
and his little dog, too.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:35 amjaim,
Progress works from the bottom up…
… GRASSROOTS!
Pressure comes from the people -> Representatives -> for action!
B!tchin’ AT us here commenting on T.P. does you no favors.
And attempting to lay baseless claims leaves you looking, THE wacko.
… I’m just sayin’.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:41 amNever claimed to know God’s will. No more than anyone else did on this site.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:45 amI don’t know any better than anyone else on here if the allegations are true or not. I just believe it’s something that needs looked into farther. As I stated earlier, if the tables were turned, you’d be forcing the subject as well. And really? No one will probably ever know the truth behind all of this. The general public is told what the govt wants us to know…and no more.
Outlaw you freaking walking lobotomy. You are an ignorant punkass troll. FAR too stupid to even recognize a fact if it jumped up and bit your nutsack. Face it. You are a moron. Ignorant beyond human comprehension. So stupid you are like singularity stupid where no cogent thought can escape the gravity of your stupidity. So keep repeating what Rush told you to think because even YOU know you are too stupid to think for yourself. Nothing in the world I love better than laughing at people as stupid as you
July 24th, 2009 at 4:17 amjaim. You have lost your mind. That was even stupider than the lie about Obamas BC not having a seal. A seven year old does not and CAN NOT revoke their citizenship whether or not he is adopted. Nor does an American have to renounce their citizenship to go to school in another country. That is astonishingly stupid. Which screechmonkey tried THAT bit of stupid on the stupendously gullible?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:21 amjaim says:
Doesn’t really matter wether he did it or his step-father did
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Oh my GOD you managed to be even stupider. I have to admit that is an achievement. Do you REALLY think a step father has the right to just decide to revoke the citizenship of a stepson. In fact what exactly makes you think that ANYONE anywhere has the right to revoke someone ELSES citizenship? You are funny. Gullilbe, stupid, brainwashed beyond all belief but definitly funny.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:23 amjaim says:
Dude, really, you cant read our minds dont try to tell us what WE would do. If there had been a question about Bushs origin and he coughed up a COLB that would have been good enough for me. See I am different than you. That is I am not a brainwashed moron who has radio screechmonkeys do my thinking for me. See thats the difference
July 24th, 2009 at 4:28 amMax Anax junius -1 says:
You are absolutly right about that virtually every meaningful change the US has ever made has been forced upon gov by a groudswell of demand from the people. Power conceded NOTHING without a demand, nothing
July 24th, 2009 at 4:34 amjaim says:
I notice everyone is voting down my blog on progress in the last 6 months but no one has comment for it. Could that possibly be because I’m right?
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It is most likely because you are stupid and your blogging is crap
July 24th, 2009 at 4:54 amIt’s about him being inexperianced and incapable of doing this job.
Funny how that concern never left the lips of the wingers when it came to Sarah Palin…
July 24th, 2009 at 5:00 amProud says:
It may not be Sarah, but Bambi just lost his next term by acting like a Black Panther and attacking a cop who did everything by the book in arressting(SIC) that race baiter Gates.
Race-baiter? More like being defensive and righteously outraged. Perhaps Professor Gates was being defensive because he felt like he was being unjustly judged by the police officer in question here. Proud, what you racists need is a lesson in empathy here. You are the first to claim that the oppressed are oppressing you, but when you cannot walk in the shoes of those who belong to a community that has had to deal with the suspicion of police officers and their neighbors all around them, then perhaps you should actually listen to the other side instead of judging them. Of course, I wouldn’t expect that from a racist like you who calls our President Chimpy as if to dehumanize him, knowing full well that monkeys have been used throughout our history to depict African-Americans.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:04 amI never said anything about Palin’s experiance or lack of. We’re talking Obama. And he has no more experiance than Palin. And point of fact…his stepfather adopted him. So yes, he had the right to make any legal decisions for his son.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:06 amAnd as for my stupid crap blogging…I still have seen no one mention any progress. Except to say we now have a black president.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:08 amso what if Obama reapplied for citizenship granted if your story is correct? Is there a rule saying a candidate has to remain a citizen throughout his life in order to run for president?
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so where is your proof? It seems that if you bring up an accusation, you should provide links to it for everyone to examine. If you want us to take you seriously and not like one of the birther fringe who hurl accusations out there, then provide the documentation. You made the claim, it is your burden to provide proof to back up the claim.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:24 amVoting in a foreign election, serving in a foreign army, or swearing allegiance to a foreign government used to be automatic grounds for losing U.S. citizenship. But a 5-4 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967 made it all but impossible for someone to lose U.S. citizenship unless he or she wants to give it up.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:26 amThe birth-certificate meme is playing very well at StormFront and other neonazi, white supremacist, militia, and anti-Semitic websites, as is the 9/11 “inside job” theory. ;)
July 24th, 2009 at 5:27 amAs the GOP would have said in 2000, YOU LOST GET OVER IT…
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Then as a so-called citizen journalist then go do the research for yourself and then present it to the proper authorities then instead of wasting your time spouting off your claims and questions here. See how far you get.
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so is this the new meme now? “I don’t care whether it’s Democratic or Republican, I’m concerned about the country.” I want to believe your bona fides jaim, but we’ve had too many muckrakers claiming to be independent who suddenly are voicing their concerns now that Obama is in office. Where were all those voices when Bush was president? Where were all those Tea-parties when Bush was president?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:36 amUCSBKitty…
You are no different than anyone in here. I think everyone needs to learn how to look at both sides of the story.
the very fact that I was questioning a possible hole in your story and presenting an argument that might puncture your argument means I’m not looking at both sides of the story? I brought up the 1967 Supreme Court decision and I brought up a possible scenario that brings into question your claim that his citizenship was revoked. Answer my concerns as well before spouting off that we’re all close-minded. It doesn’t really help if you ignore the very questions one of your opponents is seeking to address here.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:39 amand do you know the process of having one’s U.S. citizenship revoked?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:42 amUnder the U.S. Constitution (Amendment XIV), all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
The case is that Indonesia may not have recognized Obama’s U.S. citizenship, but the U.S. still did even though he lived in Indonesia. Therefore to prove my bona fides to you, I’ll even link to the World Net Daily, after all, one must not fall prey to omg LIBERAL BIAS…
July 24th, 2009 at 5:47 amI’m thinking that he doesn’t, USCBKitty.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:47 amI understand that about the court ruling. That’s not in question. What I’m saying is that he attended school in Indonesia. Indonesian law stated at that time you could not have dual citizenship while attending school. Wether or not he reapplied for citizenship, I have no idea. I would certainly think that would’ve been a very public discussion by now if that were the case. As I said, I believe it needs further investigation and shouldn’t just be tossed aside. Could the documents be forged? Yes they could. Wether or not they were, I do not know…nor do you! I just find it absolutely crazy the republicans are taking the heat for all this when it was a dem that even brought it to the forefront. Think about it!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:48 amFROM the ever-so liberal WND
July 24th, 2009 at 5:49 am
so your concerns and that Democrat’s concerns, whoever the hell he/she is are moot then, aren’t they?
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I’m thinking that he doesn’t, USCBKitty.
I’m dying for some proof here. He talks about a Democrat bringing up those concerns. Who is that mysterious Democrat?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:52 amNo…they’re not moot. And it was Philip J. Berg from Penn. to be exact.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:54 amjaim says:
I never said anything about Palin’s experiance or lack of. We’re talking Obama. And he has no more experiance than Palin. And point of fact…his stepfather adopted him. So yes, he had the right to make any legal decisions for his son.
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Obama has as much experience as Abraham Lincoln did. As for your really stupid bilge about his step father renouncing his citizenship its pure nonsense. Stop letting radio screechmonkeys think for your. NO ONE CAN RENOUNCE SOMEONE ELSEs citizenship PERIOD
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article01/36.html
But, in Afroyim v. Rusk, 1196 a five-to-four majority overruled the 1958 decision permitting expatriation for voting in a foreign election and announced a constitutional rule against all but purely voluntary renunciation of United States citizenship. The majority ruled that the first sentence of Sec. 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment constitutionally vested citizenship in every person ”born or naturalized in the United States” and that Congress was powerless to take that citizenship away.
CONGRESS cannot even take citizenship away much less an adopted step parent strip it from a minor child.
Get a grip your silly propaganda is hairbrained.
You are stupid. Your writing is crap, your attacks on Obama are ridiculous and why in the world would I talk about progress to a moron like you?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:55 amYour tone is rather reasonable jaim. thanks
July 24th, 2009 at 5:56 amHere ya go
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
July 24th, 2009 at 5:56 amjaim says:
No one said anything about him reapplying for citizenship. This goes on the assumption his citizenship was revoked. If that’s the case, then no….he has no right to be president.
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It wasnt revoked the very concept is stupid. No one can revoke someone else’s citizenship. The law is clear only voluntary ceding of your OWN citizenship is recognized. Get over it your attack on Obama is flat out stupid
July 24th, 2009 at 5:56 amEugene, I’m intrigued and very curious to see how far his quest goes…
July 24th, 2009 at 6:01 amjaim says:
He SHOWED his birth certificate you people are nuts. There is nothing to investigate. He got his birth certificate. Officials from the vital records office in Hawaii said the personally saw his original. His birth anouncement was printed in TWO newspapers. He was born in Hawaii. He did everything it takes for any REASONABLE person to know he was born in Hawaii. At this point if Jesus himself descended in a golden chariot and did the fishes and loaves thing muliplying Obama’s birth certificate and gave one to every single American authenticated by the Supreme Court and God himself you nutbags would STILL be arguing the point.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:02 amjaim says:
Give it up. You are increasingly desperate and just embarassing yourself. Indonesian law has NOTHING TO DO with American citizenship. Indonesia can say or think whatever they want. The Supreme Court was clear on this. The only way a born citizen can lose his citizenship is if he VOLUNTARILY relinquishes it. NO. OTHER. WAY. Screw Indonesia their law means SQUAT, it TOTALLY irrelevant to Obama’s citizenship
July 24th, 2009 at 6:05 amThe thing with the birthers is that they’re repeating history not in ways they might not have imagined. Back in the days of Reconstruction, Southerners tried to de-legitimize the African-American representatives that were elected throughout the South. They used blatant racism, calling those conventions that these honorable men who wanted to serve their states called, Bones and Banjos Conventions if I remember my History 164C class 5 years ago, bringing up crude stereotypes to paint a caricature of the men, in order to imply that they had no legitimacy. Nowadays it’s not safe to resort to outright racism so they have to resort to subtle insinuations to imply that Obama is un-American and does not deserve to be in power.
Perhaps jaim does not fall into that group, but I see it in many of the so-called birthers out there.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:05 amjaim says:
Obama is scary to YOU. Because you are stupid. To those of us with critical thinking skills and a functional cerebral cortex he is a breath of fresh air after Bush the catastrophe that walked like a man.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:07 amUCSBKitty says:
Your tone is rather reasonable jaim. thanks
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I dont find him reasonable. His claims are patently idiotic and his attacks on Obama are ludicrous. His claim the economy is WORSE is countered by factual reality and he keeps making bald baseless assertions about Obama being scary and unqualified that I find offensive.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:10 amTHESE are the qualifications to be president.
1 over 35 years old…Obama check
July 24th, 2009 at 6:13 am2 Natural born citizen…Obama check
3 Win the election… Obama check.
just his tone, not his content…but you’re right. perhaps i’m giving him too much credit, but i’m rather in a jovial mood today…
July 24th, 2009 at 6:14 amUCSBKitty says:
Bingo kitty. Though there is over racism being tossed in his direction. That is, I think, the basis here attacking him being a REAL American because he is black. I doubt jaim is in that category since I dont feel that but I do think that is behind a lot of it.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:15 amyeah, I have to disagree with backup that race has nothing to do with the concerns of the birthers…I mean granted they tried to de-legitimize Clinton but they never resorted to questioning his citizenship or so-called “Americanness…” The very fact that the GOP has a few members who are willing to legitimize the birthers by sponsoring BS bills is alarming and should be to everyone…but then again, we have a party that has been willing to play the Lincoln card while simultaneously exploiting the race issue in subtle ways and not so subtle ways…
July 24th, 2009 at 6:20 am#312 jaim says:
Case dismissed!
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/p0355-BC-Scotus-Obama-2ndLd-Writethru-12-08-0388
You loose…
… A G A I N !
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July 24th, 2009 at 6:59 amjaim, you’re dumb so let me explain something to you. You voted for Bush twice and then you voted to continue that disaster by voting for McCain/Palin. I know you can’t understand this but by your actions, you can no longer claim to be proud to be an American ever again. That’s gone now. If your stupid actions only affected you, then who cares. But it also wrongly affected those who didn’t vote for him ever and especially those here who worked tirelessly to keep what happened from happening. You’ve irreparably harmed those here. For me, it’s hard to fathom your current actions on this website. You’ve injured people but here now with nonsense to those same people. You should leave us alone if you had any decency and if you cared about the country (nevermind us), never vote again.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:35 amI does not matter where he was born, as long as one of his parents was an American. Does anyone doubt that his mother was born in Kansas?
“The greatest danger to a democracy is an uninformed electorate.”
- James Madison
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal/open-thread-209
July 24th, 2009 at 7:42 amThis is part of why you can never be “proud” to be an American again and what you’ve done to us, we can’t either but are here now taunting us with you birther dogshit. It wouldn’t even if those who were responsible were held to justice you can never claim that birthright again because, after all, it happened:
Let’s review for a moment.
In the name of everything reasonable, and in the face of acts of evil by terrible people, we tortured wantonly and profligately, and some of these torture techniques — known to the previous administration and most of the media as “enhanced interrogation techniques” — were actually demonstrated to an array of top officials, including the national security adviser, the attorney general, and the secretary of state, within the White House. We imprisoned secretly at “black sites” offshore and beyond the reach of the American legal system, holding prisoners without hope of trial or, often, release; we disappeared people; we murdered prisoners; we committed strange acts of extreme abuse and humiliation; we kidnapped terror suspects off the global streets and turned some of them over to some of the worst people who ran the worst dungeons and torture chambers on the planet. Unknown, but not insignificant numbers of those kidnapped, abused, tortured, imprisoned, and/or murdered were actually innocent of any crimes against us. We invaded without pretext, based on a series of lies and the manipulation of Congress and the public. We occupied two countries with no clear intent to depart and built major networks of military bases in both. Our soldiers gunned down unknown numbers of civilians at checkpoints and, in each country, arrested thousands of people, some again innocent of any acts against us, imprisoning them often without trial or sometimes hope of release. Our Air Force repeatedly wiped out wedding parties and funerals in its global war on terror. It killed civilians in significant numbers. In the process of prosecuting two major invasions, wars, and occupations, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans have died. In Iraq, we touched off a sectarian struggle of epic proportions that involved the “cleansing” of whole communities and major parts of cities, while unleashing a humanitarian crisis of remarkable size, involving the uprooting of more than four million people who fled into exile or became internal refugees. In these same years, our Special Forces operatives and our drone aircraft carried out — and still carry out — assassinations globally, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, sometimes of innocent civilians. We spied on, and electronically eavesdropped on, our own citizenry and much of the rest of the world, on a massive scale whose dimensions we may not yet faintly know. We pretzled the English language, creating an Orwellian terminology that, among other things, essentially defined “torture” out of existence (or, at the very least, left its definitional status to the torturer).
And don’t think that that’s anything like a full list.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-engelhardt/dont-turn-the-page-on-his_b_243851.html
July 24th, 2009 at 7:48 amWhy is MSM giving these idiots a platform? This is a disgrace. CNN, MSNBC, Faux News… This is all a scam. Big Business loves Repugs. All the media outlets will do ANYTHING to knock a Democratic Agenda. Remember Monica? Well, look and Sanford and Ensign. Not only are they aldulterers, they practically had s frat house where they could have a good time with their girl friends. And where is MSM outrage? They have barely mentioned ‘C-Street’ Talk about a double standard. Now Sanford is off on a vacation(Yet, again) and Ensign? he is laying low. Where is the press? Oh, their going on and on about Obama’s ‘acting stupidly’ scandal. Jesus!
July 24th, 2009 at 7:53 amI think that’s the most time in comments I’ve wasted on a wingnut in at least a year. Usually I just ignore and occasionally I’ll just curse them out. That’s about it. I admire those who try to respond back civilly but I don’t think they deserve that sort of respect. In some sense, it’s poignant to me that there’s that concern there that you can reach them to save this country from their insanity and then I despise them even more.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:56 am“What Liddy was referring to is actually an affidavit filed by a street preacher named Ron McRae.” This Preacher while claming on praying for Granny and Obama he fills at affidavit saying:
(The speaker phone with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhdia, Mr. Vatalis Alec Ogombe the Kogelo Community chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarh Hussein, along with several hundred people including policemen present and listenin in the open conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. VO is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times, the room noise from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the end of the conversation several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked to and question Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. S’s speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” this was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born.” Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr. Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’ clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Barack Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No, He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6?. Mr. Shuhudia took photographs during the open conversations and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, which photos will be forthcoming.)
If there is a god, I’m sure this guy will never reach the promise land based on this affidavit alone.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:58 amjaim says:
It’s HIS burden to prove he’s legit for the job. By initially refusing to give up the birth certificate, he made himself look guilty as hell!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:29 am
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You make a very good point. A very good one, jaim.
Just like it’s YOUR burden of proof to show that you do not abduct five-year-olds from community parks, take them to your shack under a bridge, molest them with vintage Coke bottles, then cut off their limbs with a circular saw and watch them bleed out before dumping their corpses in the river.
The fact that you have not provided this proof makes YOU look guilty as hell. You sick pervert.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:11 amDon’t get me wrong. There was a time from about 98 to 2003 I would respond civilly and try to point out the facts, but that ended about 04. It’s interesting but has any here actually seen a wingnut who voted for Bush twice ever in all these years apologize for it or even acknowledged anything wrong that Bush did other than some nonsense about him being “too liberal”?
They’re relentless sociopaths and this society needs to figure out some way to deal with it because they do great harm to society and will eventually get us all killed.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:12 amThere’s a claim by the so-called birthers that the individual who first brought the lawsuit was a “democrat” so, I guess that makes it something else instead of partisan. (I could look his name up but who cares.) Anyway, I’ve heard him before and there is just something going on. He’s getting paid to spread this nonsense to the weak-minded like jaim. It would be interesting to see where his funding is coming from.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:18 amIsn’t Liddy the same SOB who said something about Sotomoyer and menstration? Yeah, like he’s a leading man on thoughtful Dialog. Why Matthews invited him on is beyond me. I mean how popular is Liddy? So he has a radio program. Big Deal! The right-wingers are such a small percentage of the population. That’s why I get pissed off that MSM is always trotting these people on T.V. Look at Liz Cheney. Her father is as popular as the clap. And yet, day after day, there she is spouting her propaganda as if it is fact. Damn, Americans are stupid if they fall for this crap. Didn’t we learn our lesson with the lead up to the war in Iraq? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:26 amjaim says
July 24th, 2009 at 5:11 am
UCSBKitty…
You are no different than anyone in here. I think everyone needs to learn how to look at both sides of the story.
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For stories that have more than one side that contains some legitimacy, I agree. But looking at “both sides” of Obama’s birth status is like seriously considering that the earth might be flat in order to “look at both sides”.
Face it — the only reason the MSM is giving these quackadoodles any air time is for entertainment purposes; to give us all a laugh. You’ll notice that no court has taken this ridiculous idea seriously.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:32 amThe MSM has become the latest incarnation of an over-the-top reality show. If the guests (contestants) don’t stir up enough controversy, they are given no camera time and eventually are “voted off the island.”
The guests (contestants) who are the most outrageous/controversial/insane appear on show after show. Examples include Pat Buchanan and his “white men are discriminated against” show, Liz Cheney and her “Obama can’t protect America like my Daddy”, and now the Birthers. Palin and JoeTheNot are more prime examples.
As Hanshiro once stated, “The MSM needs to be overthrown by journalist.”
PEACE
July 24th, 2009 at 8:33 amNot all sociopaths are overtly sexually murderous like Ted Bundy or just murderous like Eric Harris from the Columbine shootings. I don’t think jaim is a sociopath, just weak-minded but many trolls I’ve seen over the years are. They share some basics in common though in that they feel it’s all about them and they’re incredibly selfish and arrogant.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:33 amarmy193 says:
That is wrong.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907230054
According to WorldNetDaily, McRae and Shuhubia each asserted in their affidavits that President Obama’s stepgrandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told them that President Obama was born in Mombasa. However, in a December 4, 2008, Slate.com article, David Weigel noted that McRae provided Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg with only a “partial transcript of the call” and that the “rest of the call” showed that McRae was repeatedly told during the interview that “the president-elect was born in Hawaii”:
On Oct. 16, an Anabaptist minister named Ron McRae called Sarah Hussein Obama, the president-elect’s 86-year-old paternal step-grandmother, at her home in Kenya. Two translators were on the line when McRae asked if the elder Obama was “present” when the president-elect was born. One of the translators says “yes.” McRae contacted Berg and gave him a partial transcript of the call with a signed affidavit. He opted not to include the rest of the call, in which he asks the question more directly — “Was he born in Mombassa?” — and the translators, finally understanding him, tell him repeatedly that the president-elect was born in Hawaii.
In a December 5, 2008, War Room post, Salon.com’s Alex Koppelman similarly noted that the full audio of the interview indicates that McRae was told “over and over again, that Obama was born in the U.S.”:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:34 amMr. Cobb@337, Yeah, like Ann Coulter when confronted by Randy Rhodes. Ann stuck her fingers in her ears and started to say, “Blah.. Blah.. Blah.. These guys just turn of to reason. They would rather stick their collective heads in the sand than face reality. The fact Obama is black is the real reason for this ‘Birther’ movement. They can’t grasp he won legitimatly. So.. the have to come up with a eloborate scheme to justify their racism.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:41 amA white evangelical street preacher is at the heart of this dust-up.
It’s high time for blogs such as this to fully investigate the nefarious goings-on
of the dominionist holy roller plot to impose an evangelical theocracy on this nation.
It is no joke. These people are dangerous, and are willing to unleash a bloodbath, all in the name of Jesus. They have already taken over the U.S. Air Force, and they have people in place in local governments all over the country.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:51 amObama is an American citizen and the duly elected president of the United States. Bush was the illegitimate president both times.
This is all they have to equate the two.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:58 amThey have already taken over the U.S. Air Force, and they have people in place in local governments all over the country.
Yes they do. The ‘C Street’ thing is barely scratching the surface.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:02 amThe fact that the MSM still panders to the 20% should tell you something. The fact they’re agenda has to remain hidden, at least so far, is a good sign. The fact that the American people would much prefer a debauched military than a pious one. The fact that they’re rotten to the core like Ensign, Stanford, Vitter and all the rest, their un-American efforts are crap.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:05 amBoy, I watched this exchange between Matthews and Liddy yesterday. Wow, just amazing how nutty some folks are is all I can say.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:07 amHere is a link to an article in The Guardian, a British newspaper, concerning the efforts of the holy rollers in Texas to teach “divine intervention” as the chief cause of the founding of the U.S.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/22/christianity-religion-texas-history-education
I have not seen any such report in any American newspaper, and the 24/7 “news”
July 24th, 2009 at 9:08 amchannels are still obsessed with Michael Jackson. Some of the holy rollers are just itching for a military coup against the Obama Administration.
evangenital says:
It’s high time for blogs such as this to fully investigate the nefarious goings-on of the dominionist holy roller plot to impose an evangelical theocracy on this nation.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:51 am
What is there to investigate? Just Google “Joshua Project,” “Exodus Mandate,” “Answers in Genesis,” and “Back to Jerusalem,” and these Christian whackos will tell you all about their plans for world domination.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:25 amThere’s no doubt that history education needs a boost in Texas.
According to test results, one-third of students think the Magna Carta was signed by the Pilgrims on the Mayflower and 40% believe Lincoln’s 1863 emancipation proclamation was made nearly 90 years earlier at the constitutional convention.
Sheesh, that’s the nagging thing: the incredible ammount of ignorance out there.
So we can still move elsewhere as the sea level rises and violent taliban fuedalism spreads here.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:29 amWhat is there to investigate? Just Google “Joshua Project,” “Exodus Mandate,” “Answers in Genesis,” and “Back to Jerusalem,” and these Christian whackos will tell you all about their plans for world domination.
Try finding anything about “gay history online.” It might be something like the 1,234,459 entry. The prior ones are religious whackjobs filling it up with nonsense. One wrote on her blog that, “back in the Roman times, if a man would have made a pass at a Roman soldier, that Roman soldier would have stabbed him with his spear.”
You can always purchase a book about it.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:34 amHey Liddy- go Kiss Nixon’s Ass-
July 24th, 2009 at 9:38 amI particularly appreciate how devoted the birthers are to “proof”, yet they conveniently ignore the contemporaneous birth announcements in two Honolulu papers and the confirmation of the validity of the birth certificate by state officials in Hawaii.
It’s almost as if they don’t want to acknowledge those facts.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am.
Here Trolliess…
… N-Joy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZKo0nCnz9M
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July 24th, 2009 at 11:34 amI like how Liddy says that it’s not a “birth certificate”, it’s a “certificate of live birth”. What’s the difference? Isn’t that just two different (but still very similar) ways to describe the same thing?
July 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWell I’ve never been to Kenya
July 24th, 2009 at 1:53 pmBut I’ve been to Indonesia
Well they say that I was born there
But I might have had amnesia
It’s a madrassa
Not in Mombassa
What does it matter
I didn’t think anyone watched MSNBC. Their ratings are in the toilet.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pmmindless sheep watch Fox…what’s your point?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:52 pmbackup,
July 24th, 2009 at 7:31 pmBill Clinton did NOT lie under oath. The prosecution’s definition of “sexual relations” did not include what he and Monica did. That is why he was found NOT guilty. A federal judge later ruled that it could not be perjury either way, because it was not pertinent to the Paula Jones case.
The Republic of Stupidity
July 25th, 2009 at 12:36 amSo tell me did factcheck get it from Obama himself? That is the only way that they are going to get to hold it in their own hands and check it out. Hawaii will not give or release a birth certificate to anyone but the person the birth cirtificate is for. So that means that factcheck is lieing about having it.
Since Obama and his lawyers wont let anyone with a court case see it then i don’t see factcheck getting ahold of it.
And the Hawaii Dep. of Health said that the image of Obama’s BC doesn’t have the stamp or signature that it should have. They also said that the “seal” that is on there isn’t clear enough to be sure where it is from. It is not from Hawaii.
Not only that you tell me how it is that he could be born in 2 different hospitals in hawaii. Both the Kapiolani Medical Center and the Queen’s Medical Center have him being born there.
conservative guy says:
I didnt think anyone on the Planet was as stupid as you rightwing morons and I was right.
July 25th, 2009 at 5:17 amOutlaw284 says:
My GOD you are stupid. Is taht why you come here to show just how stupid you are? The Hawaii dept of vital statistics said that his birth certificate was authentic. So you added being a liar and a fool to your omnipresent stupidity. Fact check DID have a copy of his birth certificate just not the original one they keep in the vital stats bureau. The one they actually give out. I am sure I am wasting my time since it is obvious you are so stupid and brainwashed none of this will EVER sink in. It HAD a stamp and since you can clearly READ honolulu listed as his place of birth you can show yourself out in disgrace. Your ignorance is pathetic. You are so stupid its just embarassing to be the same species as you are. DO the planet a favor and DO. NOT. BREED.
July 25th, 2009 at 5:22 amHome Land Security needs to `Pick Up` the PREZ for not having
July 25th, 2009 at 10:42 pmthe Docs showing he was `BORN` in the U.S.A.. Having a 10 cent `Doc` that says he is a human with a real pulse DOES`NT
cut the mustard with the U.S. CONSTITUTION. Please go back to
your Jr. High School (assuming that you went to Jr. High) and retake your U.S. History 101 class: you know the one that teaches about the REQUIREMENTS, the QUALIFICATIONS to even thick about running for PREZ; let alone being elected to be the PREZ…!!!!
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