Rep. Virginia Foxx: ‘There Are No Americans Who Don’t Have Health Care’
Rep. Virginia Foxx: ‘There Are No Americans Who Don’t Have Health Care’
Earlier today, several female Republican House members held a press conference today to attack President Obama’s push for health insurance reform. “The Democrat way is not reforming healthcare, it’s destroying it,” announced Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
Perhaps the most attention-grabbing moment occurred when Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) announced that “there are no Americans who don’t have healthcare“:
Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) disputes President Obama’s claim that 47 million Americans lack healthcare. “There are no Americans who don’t have healthcare. Everybody in this country has access to healthcare,” she says. “We do have about 7.5 million Americans who want to purchase health insurance who can not afford it,” she says, urging Congress to adopt a new plan for healthcare reform that wouldn’t “destroy what is good about healthcare in this country” and “give the government control of our lives.”
Listen here:
Unfortunately, Foxx is not the first conservative to push this argument. In July 2007, then-President Bush claimed that “people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.” Despite what these conservatives say, the fact is that many Americans are forced to go without care:
The chances of working-age adults experiencing at least one access problem due to costs (delaying care, forgoing medical care, forgoing dental care, or forgoing prescription drugs) grew from 18.2% in 1997 to 21.3% by 2006. While the size of the problem and the growth rate may seem small, combined with growth in the population, they translate into substantial numbers of people. The number of working-age adults who experienced at least one access problem due to costs grew from a total of 29.8 million in 1997 to 39.3 million by 2006.
In November 2008, a Kaiser Family Foundation survey found that “nearly half of Americans report that someone in their household skipped necessary health care in the past year because of the cost.” As ThinkProgress has previously noted, uninsured Americans are less likely to seek health care and more likely to die because of a lack of insurance. In 2002, the Institute of Medicine estimated that there were 18,000 unnecessary adult deaths because of a lack of insurance while the Urban Institute estimated in 2006 that 22,000 died for the same reason.
Finally, studies have found that the uninsured “are 30 to 50 percent more likely to be hospitalized for an avoidable condition” and if they do seek care in an emergency room, “they are usually sicker than patients who have health insurance.”
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rep. foxx does not have mental health care.
and she needs it.
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July 24th, 2009 at 4:27 pmCan’t we just lock these people up? Seriously. What are all those FEMA relocation camps for anyway?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:29 pmThey don’t do chemotherapy in emergency rooms.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:29 pmAnd there is no climate change or evolution.
/SNARK
July 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pm“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.”
Lie about the less fortunate, shame on you, Rep. Foxx.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThat’s the way that the Right Wing works… inconvenient facts are ignored and more ‘workable’ facts are created out of nothing
July 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pmOh I forgot.
There are no homeless veterans sleeping under bridges. The real ones don’t count, even if they show up to protest.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pmWow another republican that’s 100% wrong who wouldve thought?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:32 pm“There are no Americans who don’t have healthcare. Everybody in this country has access to healthcare,” she says. “We do have about 7.5 million Americans who want to purchase health insurance who can not afford it.”
Says an organism with access to excellent health care, on our hard-earned tax dollars.
Astonishing.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pmRep. Virginia Foxx: ‘There Are No Americans Who Don’t Have Health Care’
Which is akin to claiming that there are Americans that don’t have any brains ; yet , there you stand , Rep Foxx ………
July 24th, 2009 at 4:34 pmOh, I forgot one thing…
B!TCH!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:35 pmYet another example of a Republican opening their mouth to talk about reality as they would like it to be and not how it actually is.
Who needs facts when you can just open your mouth and babble, eh, Ms. Foxx?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:36 pmShe’s from North Carloina. What did we expect? These Southern States are notorious for their legislators. They have the worst educational standards, the lowest infant mortality rates, and are in the Bible Belt. I feel sorry for any Democrats or Progressives who live there. my advice, MOVE.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:37 pmAnd the saddest part is no one in the media stands up and screams foul. No one in Congress contradicts this crap. No one steps forward and says ‘no freaking way’. The media is like a diseased colon, dripping out whatever it can to relieve the awful feeling that they are as big of liars as the people they cover.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pmI just knew we wouldn’t make it through the week without Crazy Shelly (InsaneR, Mn.) at least getting a mention in passing.
And, just like Rep. Foxx, we can count on what she says to be the opposite of true.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pmIf people without health insurance still have health care, why doesn’t Rep. Foxx support eliminating the health insurance industry? After all, it’s just an unnecessary expense.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:39 pmI guess she’s believes that all of us without health insurance aren’t real Americans.
I am not of the mind to outline all of the voting blocks that the GNOP has successfully alienated, but we can certainly add the uninsured to that list.
What a heaping helping of moron!
PEACE
July 24th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWHAT THE FCUK IS THIS TEABAGGER???
July 24th, 2009 at 4:41 pmWe do have about 7.5 million Americans who want to purchase health insurance who can not afford it,”
Have you read the report from the US Census bereau or is it that the numbers contridict you so much that you have to make up numbers of your own little b1tch?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:42 pmLook up stupid in the dictionary and you will see her picture.
Some other puplications may show Limpball or Boner but the thought is there.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:43 pmVirginia Foxx thinks Roger Clemens and Rusty Hardin are geniuses. That tells you all you need to know about her.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI wonder how many people in her district are uninsured or under insured. I wonder if the people in her district even know what she said. I have a feeling the people in her district are God-Fearing people who rely on the Good Lord to help them Lord knows Rep. Fox sure doesn’t give a crap.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:44 pmWhat she really means is wealthy Republicans and their wealthy friends at the insurance and pharmaceutical companies who pay the wealthy Republicans to do their bidding have health coverage.
The rest of us are beneath their notice and therefor don’t exist.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:45 pmIDIOT! IDIOT! IDIOT! Let’s have her health care (taxpayer funded) take away and then she will be a trailblazer!!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:45 pmP.D. says:
P.D. I’m sure you meant to say the “highest infant mortality rates”, but point taken.
ivalentine says:
Ah, Grasshopper, that’s an interesting point. So if I go to an emergency room and they ask for information about my healthcare, I simply smile and reply “Why it’s you, of course.”
PEACE
July 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pm“There are no Americans who don’t have healthcare. Everybody in this country has access to healthcare,” she says.
Yes, and all Americans have brand new Maseratis because we have access to the car dealer down the street.
Ain’t life great in Wingnuttville, N.C.?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pmEmergency room treatment is the Republican version for a health care plan for Americans. Does that even come close to reasonable? How can someone even put that forward as an argument?
Simply put, the Republicans want poor people dead. They really are a despicable lot.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pmThis FREAK is a stupid, lying, ignorant whore.
She should have cancer!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pmDay after day we have to put up with repugs and rightwingnuts stupidity. These fcking wingnuts should be grateful that us libs dont have the same mindset as they do. Why do these people try so hard to destroy our country.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pmI don’t wish harm on anyone. Even for the traitors to our country I want nothing more, or less, than legal justice.
However. I would not be able to feel much pity if every GOoPer in Washington were exposed to “swine flu”. I wouldn’t even wish for them to get sick but, it would do the whole lot of them a world of good to make a visit to an emergency room.
They might even have the same experience I had last time I was in the emergency room and get acquainted with a young man left screaming in pain, in the hallway, while the staff made sure someone was liable for the bill. My own experience is that no one gets treated until someone signs the form promising payment. That’s seriously effed up.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:47 pmIs this philosophy from the Marie Antoinette school of government? It isn’t “let them eat cake”, now it is “everyone has access to health care”?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:47 pmSo this is the Republican alternative plan? Go to the emergency room (too bad if you need chemo, blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, physical therapy, any preventative care of any sort) and suggest somebody else come up with a solution for people who want insurance but can’t afford it (I guess people with inadequate coverage don’t count)??? Who elected this brain dead hick?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:48 pmspencers mom@26, Your right. I stand corrected.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:48 pmBig freaking difference between having health insurance and having access to health care. One of the things driving up our health care costs in this country is uninsured people. I read an article a few years ago that those with insurance pay around a $1000 more per year to cover hospital expenses for those who don’t have insurance. I am sure that number has gone up at this point.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI’m printing her photo and I’m going to wipe my @$$ with it.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pmsouthrnbelle says:
This FREAK is a stupid, lying, ignorant whore.
She should have cancer!!!
Even if she did get cancer, she would have access to the best medical treatments possible thanks to her “socialized” medicine paid for by the US Taxpayers. Something she denies the rest of us.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI was talking to a nurse the other night, and she said the same thing. A NURSE!! Apparently she thinks everybody can just go to the ER and get free care. What does she care…she works in dialysis and makes $80 an hour!!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:50 pmsouthrnbelle says:
This FREAK is a stupid, lying, ignorant whore.
She should have cancer!!!
I know she’s a jackanus but watch it with the cancer thing. I’m a cancer survivor.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:50 pmThe saddest part is that her constituents probably get their “news” through Fux, and you can bet they won’t cover her moronic statements unless it’s edited to make it all appear to be the Dem’s fault.
PEACE
July 24th, 2009 at 4:50 pmTechnically, every American DOES have “access” to health care. Much in the same way I have “access” to owning a Rolls Royce. All I have to do is plop down $380,000 and it’s mine.
Of course, I don’t have that kind of money, so the “access” is only theoretical for me.
Much as it is for the person who can’t afford to pay out of pocket for their health care and for whom insurance is prohibitively expensive.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:51 pmEven though Foxx is from NC, she’s not in my congressional district. Otherwise, I’d REALLY look forward to voting against her next year.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:52 pmbat… shit…. crazy…
Who votes for these people? I have no sympathy for America any more. It’s time to lay the blame at the feet of the idiots responsible. A sucker taken in a scam is still a sucker.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:53 pmshe looks like the church lady from Saturday Night Live..however she looks like more of a man than Dana Carvey…
July 24th, 2009 at 4:53 pmLefty@37, Yeah, Look at Arlen Specter. he had brain cancer, and yet he looks good and made a recovery. If it were us, the normal folk. We would be denied treatment because we are not worhty enough.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:53 pmSure, anyone can get access to emergency care.
It might cost them their house, their credit rating and any assets either physical or financial they have been able to accumulate, but… they can get a broken leg set if they insist on it.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:54 pmPeople like this beetch and limpdick hannity,orielly,beck,dont care about our country,and they incite violence. I dont believe in violence but when you have wingnut extremist trying to cause an uprising in our country then I say fck,em. If the above mentioned were to die suddenly then I would write to my congressman to make it a national holiday.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:55 pmWho knew that Virginia Foxx could upstage Michelle Bachmann?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:55 pmPHOTO CAPTION:
Holy SH*T! It’s Dick F***ing CHENEY in DRAG!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:55 pmAs for Fox, she has made batsh*t comments before. And yet she is elelcted time and again. So, people of North Carolina! Have you finally had enough? If so, toss her out of office, if not, you are gluttons for punishment.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pmI can’t believe no one follows up this common wingnut assertion with a simple question – can someone walk into an emergency room and be guaranteed access to monthly prescription refills for asthma, high cholesterol, or high blood pressure, without regard to their ability to pay?
July 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pmEven if she did get cancer, she would have access to the best medical treatments possible thanks to her “socialized” medicine paid for by the US Taxpayers. Something she denies the rest of us.
Foxx: A proud member of S.M.I.O.K.A.L.A.I.F.W.R.L.M. (Socialized Medicine Is O.K. As Long As It’s For Wealthy Repukes Like Myself).
To Southern Bell: Disregard what I said in 39. I may be a cancer survivor but I have to regress on my comment to you. I have to make an exception for her. I hope she has cancer and dies. She flat out sucks.
July 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pmI hope you have health insurance and access to healthcare before you do that—her face is enough to tear a new one…
So hypocritical of Ms. Foxx to enjoy something while wholeheartedly denying it to others…I hope there is a hell…
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July 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pmO/T president obamas whitesox won today, Their pitcher threw a perfect game. President Obama is a winner, suck on that repugs!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 4:58 pmAs to the Emergency Room claim for health care, they still bill you. They can’t turn you away but they will still charge you if you have no insurance.
Anyone seen an ER billing lately?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pmFoxx needs reality beaten into her thick skull but then again I would get arrested for elderly abuse.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:03 pmOT. Gallup poll shows 67% still beleive Obama is a strong leader. Take that Repug scum and you’re Blue Dog brethen!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pmHoodathunktick says:
As to the Emergency Room claim for health care, they still bill you. They can’t turn you away but they will still charge you if you have no insurance.
Anyone seen an ER billing lately?
I have healthcare insurance and the ER here still charges me 75.00 for it.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pmemergency care is not health care.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pmI’m pretty sure I can’t get a physical in the emergency room. I can’t get my teeth x-rayed or cleaned, I can’t get a colonoscopy, I can’t, as others have said, get chemotherapy, I can’t get flu shots or other immunizations. I can get emergency care in the emergency room at a cost that is at least an order of magnitude greater than what it would cost if I could have had preventative care provided at an affordable cost to me. And the care I get in the emergency room, is paid for by the tax payers at that high rate if I don’t have insurance. These moron republican’ts just can not seem to get it through their thick skulls into their little brains that providing affordable health insurance to everyone is so much cheaper than forcing people to go to the emergency room.
I really want these morons to tell me if they get their oil changed on a regular basis. If so, why, because it isn’t absolutely necessary to get it done like that. They can just wait until their engine falls apart and replace the engine. Not providing affordable health care is like not changing your oil on a regular basis. It’s pay me a little bit now or pay me a whole lot more later.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:05 pmFred says:
emergency care is not health care.
According to who. The radio talk show host who tunes and plays you like a cheap sax?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:05 pmHealth is a public issue. Public, public, public. These people think they’re isolated individuals. Poo.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pmIf these rich, elitist Repubs had anything– I repeat, ANYTHING- to offer as a plan to revamp health care, I might even listen. But they don’t. They have nothing but whining, complaining, fear-mongering, & sucking up to private health care lobbyists. So– Foxx, Bachmann, & all the rest of you losers who have no ideas– shut up, go away, & stop your ridiculous, dishonest remarks. You’re pathetic.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThere are no Republicans who have any brains.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:10 pmwiley says:
Health is a public issue. Public, public, public. These people think they’re isolated individuals. Poo.
These imbeciles believe that healthcare is not public, not a human right and believe it’s a commodity designated only to the wealthy and screw the middle class and the poor by keeping the cost of healthcare out of their reach so they can kill as many of them as they can.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:11 pmFred says:
emergency care is not health care.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Right, Fred. Once it’s an emergency, the “health” is out the window, and the docs are just trying to seal the broken levees.
To me, “health care” is routine visits to the doctor, regular check-ups, dental care, etc.
I don’t think they do that in the ER! :-D
July 24th, 2009 at 5:12 pmI have to look at it this way, All those years the Repugs were in power. And it has all slipped through their fingers. First, Obama is elected, then the Stimulus, then the Equal Pay, S-CHIP, Sonia Sotomyor. It seems they are spinning out of control. Now, with any hope, a health care bill. So, I tell myself, the Repugs are losers.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:13 pmYO! LADY! going to the ER for health care isn’t a sustainable ‘access’ to health care.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:14 pm… and yet a good education and common sense still elude many, many Republicans.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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July 24th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
She’s from North Carloina. What did we expect? These Southern States are notorious for their legislators. They have the worst educational standards, the lowest infant mortality rates, and are in the Bible Belt. I feel sorry for any Democrats or Progressives who live there. my advice, MOVE.
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Believe it or not, I’m quite happy living here in North Carolina. Don’t judge us all by this pompous, ignorant woman. My Congressman is Brad Miller, of whom I’m quite proud.
We have excellent universities here, a mostly Democratic state government, and we went blue for Obama last November.
Unfortunately, Foxx represents a portion of the state that will probably never get in step with the rest of us.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:16 pmconservative guy says:
The trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Do you think health care is a privilege?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:17 pmYep, emergency rooms have to take you in as a patient, but they will also bill you after you leave. Do the wingnuts know this or are they under the assumption all heart attacks are free of charge in this country for those without insurance? Dumbasses!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:18 pmIt looks like a stupid troll voted “Down” the whole thread. Will he have the courage, and stupidity, to join the discussion?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:18 pmmisscoleopteramolly says:
July 24th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I’m so lucky that my Idaho congress people are very very quiet. :-D
July 24th, 2009 at 5:18 pmIf I were President and I wanted to break the Republican resistance to health care reform, I would open a “Truth Commission” to investigate all the wars, theft, lies, corruption, torture, and crimes of the Republican Party for the past eight years. I’d show all the pictures taken of the torture in Abu Ghraib that Cheney approved.
Hey President Obama! Grow a spine, already!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:19 pmTheir he is. Though I don’t think one can count that kind of stupid crap as “joining the discussion”.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:20 pmconservative guy says:
The trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
Does the preamble to the constitution say that the government must provide to the defense as well as provide to the people? Therefore everyone is entitled to the government programs the government provides.
The trouble with conservatives is that they believe that healthcare is a privlege and not a right. Are you one of those?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pmmisscoleopteramolly@72, I didn’t mean disrespect. I apoligize if I insulted you. I just don’t understand why people vote for indiviuals who don’t have their interests at heart. It all seems to boil down to religion in Red States.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI am a conservative. I have neither a job nor healthcare. I have been looking for work for months now.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThe trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
I wonder where people could have gotten that silly idea…
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Foxx needs to hold a town hall and ask anyone who Doesn’t have health care to show up… I’m betting she would be surprised at who did not have health care. But she won’t. Better to spout nonsense than to actually go on a fact finding mission.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThe stupidity of the statement is self-evident. The concept that an emergency room is health care is one of the reasons why health care needs to be reformed. By the time people get to the emergency room, some conditions are very difficult to treat. Emergency room service is not health care.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:22 pmOops! Their=there. Sheesh!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:22 pmbuckrogers1965
Why are you a conservative?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:22 pmbuckrogers1965 says:
I am a conservative. I have neither a job nor healthcare. I have been looking for work for months now.
Would you support a public option so you can get the affordable healthcare you need?
I also hope you can find a job somewhere. It sucks being out of work.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:23 pmEvery word out of this scum bags mouth is a lie…and she knows it…and doesn’t care…
….scum sucking Republic Fascist Party Members are known liars.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:23 pmbuckrogers1965 says:
I am a conservative. I have neither a job nor healthcare. I have been looking for work for months now.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:21 p
How do you feel about the health care reform issue?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:24 pmGlad you posted about this, Matt. The National Women’s Law Center has a blog post up now about this morning’s press conference too.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:24 pmbuckrogers1965 says:
I am a conservative.
And your situation is a direct result of you voting against your own goodwill.
Congratulations.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:27 pmconservative guy says
July 24th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
The trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
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Yes, I admit to being one of those Americans. I believe the taxes I pay “entitle” me to a military that will protect my country, a basic education, a helping hand if I am ever the victim of a natural disaster, protection from crime, roads to drive on, postal service so I can send and receive mail, various consumer protections so I don’t get poisoned or ripped off, and temporary safety nets to help me get back on my feet in case I find myself destitute. And yes — basic health care.
Some of these things my taxes pay for completely. Others (like postal service) I pay for directly, but the government keeps it affordable for me. A public health care plan falls in the latter category.
Could YOU live without any government programs?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:27 pmThe trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
And just why else do we pay taxes?
July 24th, 2009 at 5:29 pmOMG. These people make me sick.
This horrible woman would step over a dying child on the sidewalk — and then complain about the filth on that sidewalk.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:29 pmBuck, if you hadn’t voted against you own true will, you would not have scumbags like the Republicans you voted for who are the same Republicans who have consistantly lied to you and used you as one of their pawns in their sick minded chess game. Look what’s it’s done to you. Out of a job, no health insurance. You need to reassess yourself and dig up some common sense and vote out those very same scumbags next election cycle and beyond. Vote with your conscience. Not because there is an R next to their names. They are using you.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWe are entitled to the government programs we invest in, stupid troll. I paid into Social Security my whole career and now I’m collecting. Same with Medicare, though I still pay a token premium and co-pays, and I have few complaints.
Depending on which polls one uses, somewhere between 60% and 80% of the people of this country are eager to have a public health plan and you don’t have to participate if you don’t want to. If you want to depend on your own wits and good fortune? No one will stop you. But stop whining about the majority of this country wanting to leave you behind in your primitive Hell. The rest of us are ready to embrace the challenges of the future.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pmHow about just government protection. That too much to ask? I know you think it is but get over it.
Explain why 75% of all bankruptcies are over medical bills.
Why is it ok for working class Americans to lose everything because they get sick, and that’s the ones with insurance.
You have nothing more than the hack at the top of this page.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pmTypical.
“conservative guy” can’t stick around and defend his comment.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pmPersonal experiences in the emergency room. Torn ligaments in my ankle (ca) – “nothing wrong here, just go home and try not to twist it.”
Broken arm (ca) – “here’s a nice canvas sling, now go home and try not to move it.”
Third degree shoulder seperation (ca) – “nothing we can do have you tried the doctor across the street, here’s a nice canvas sling and by the way that’ll be $50. for the two aspirin – and we’ll be sending you to collections.”
Four broken knuckles and 25 stitches (ma) – had to wait about 4 hours but got fixed up eventually and wasn’t charged anything.
Yeah, healthcare in the emergency room. That’s what we all want.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:33 pmThe government of the US exists to serve the best interests of all of its citizens. We have many government supported programs that do just that.
We also have a group who believe that their private interests supercede the interests of the society called America. If they wish to continue with that program, I suggest they find someplace where the people have the same idea.
Good luck.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:35 pmAnd, nobody in America goes hungry. You just go to a restaurant or a grocery store and they’ve got all the food you need!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:35 pmI really want to know how many so-called ‘Conservatives’ get Social Security’ or ‘Medicare’ or ‘Disability’. These are SOCIAL programs. We, the younger generation pay more in taxes then any other generation before. Real estate, School, Social Security. And I bet we will never see a dime when we get old.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:37 pmNeocons won’t be happy until Americans pay to have their mail delivered to their homes!
July 24th, 2009 at 5:41 pmRich H says:
Personal experiences in the emergency room. Torn ligaments in my ankle (ca) – “nothing wrong here, just go home and try not to twist it.”
Broken arm (ca) – “here’s a nice canvas sling, now go home and try not to move it.”
Third degree shoulder seperation (ca) – “nothing we can do have you tried the doctor across the street, here’s a nice canvas sling and by the way that’ll be $50. for the two aspirin – and we’ll be sending you to collections.”
Four broken knuckles and 25 stitches (ma) – had to wait about 4 hours but got fixed up eventually and wasn’t charged anything.
Yeah, healthcare in the emergency room. That’s what we all want.
Ok.. You convinced me and I’m not snarking either. What was I thinking when I thought that emergency care is not healthcare. I have to admit that this is the first time I have been swayed here. Before I disagreed but now I have to resort to agreeing with that arguement based on your case in point. Thank you. I now stand corrected.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:42 pmTypical repug with the smirk on her face. If this woman ever visits Berks County PA let me know, I would pay to slap the shit out of this neocon beetch.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:42 pmRep. Virginia Foxx: ‘There Are No Americans Who Don’t Have Health Care’
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I gotta say… that really is just a little too stupid for words…
July 24th, 2009 at 5:43 pmYep! And when I see I have checks in my checkbook it means I have money in my account too! Life is good. LOL
July 24th, 2009 at 5:43 pmP.D. says:
I really want to know how many so-called ‘Conservatives’ get Social Security’ or ‘Medicare’ or ‘Disability’. These are SOCIAL programs.
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I wonder what sort of medical coverage Rep Foxx gets w/ her job…
July 24th, 2009 at 5:44 pmWorking poor and middle class Americans voting for these Repigs are the same as chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:46 pmFoxx is about at clueless as they come. And to put her with Michelle Bachmann, what a team. This is the GOP.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:49 pm@111, Rep Fox probably can afford a Private Doctor. In fact, so can Specter and Kennedy. You don’t think these people actually have to WAIT to see a physician. No, they call them and these guys probably make house calls for all we know. I mean, look how old these Pols are. We should all be that lucky to make it that long.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:50 pmP.D. says:
I really want to know how many so-called ‘Conservatives’ get Social Security’ or ‘Medicare’ or ‘Disability’.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
ALL of the people I know on disability vote Republican. All of them.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:51 pmWhat frog-enshrouded cloud has this idiot been living on? She needs only to talk to my daughtes (31 and 29 years old) and all of the wait and kitchen staff at the British Pub on University Parkway in Sarasota Florida to find out about American’s who don’t have health insurance.
What all American’s dont have is a government sponsored and taxpayer-funded health insurance program like every Senator and every Congress person has.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:56 pmFog-enshrouded….sorry about that…my fingers were moving faster than they should have.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:57 pmFoxx, go back into your hole. Somebody’s calling you.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:58 pmWell, I guess I should say all the people I know on disability IDENTIFY as Republican.
I don’t know if they get off their asses to vote.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:58 pmLoon Watch is everywhere !!! They’re coming out of walls, roads, bridges, buildings, fields, etc…Can’t get rid of them …argghhh… gotta find a new spray….. aarrgghhhh….. need a bigger hammer…. arrrgghh…..
July 24th, 2009 at 5:58 pmconservative guy says:
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The trouble with a majority of Americans is that somehow they think they are entitled to government programs.
except you…but when the time comes when a disaster strikes you, then you’ll feel entitled…When you turn 65, since you obviously do not feel entitled, do not go on Medicare, but rather refuse it. It is a government program and will infect you with TEH SOCIALIST VIRUS…a fate worse than death. Stay on your private plan and do not take Social Security checks either.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:59 pmMike Hunt says:
Fog-enshrouded….sorry about that…my fingers were moving faster than they should have.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Frog-enshrouded would be way more cool. ;)
July 24th, 2009 at 5:59 pmZooey@115, That would make them hypocrites wouldn’t it? But on the lighter side of news, I got some dirt. A Senator from Tennessee admitted to an affair with a 22 year old intern. Sen. Paul stanley admitted to police his affair and was being black-mailed by the interns boyfriend who demanded $10,000 for a tape of the two having ‘Relations’
July 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pmIn fact, let’s go further, shall we, conservative guy? You are a principled guy, highly honorable no doubt. Therefore, in order to stick by your anti-government principles, you must refuse to have contact with ANYTHING that is government run. Never call 911 if you have an emergency, but I’m sure there are private companies with 7-digit numbers you have to memorize that are more than willing to help you out. Even the sidewalks are maintained by our tax dollars and cities. You must avoid them. Perhaps your neighbors will be as forgiving if you jump over their fences and use their lawns to get around. Just be careful of dogs, okay dear? When disaster strikes, don’t rely on FEMA…rely on yourself and you’ll be fine! Then you can be the shining city on the hill, the example for us other Americans…
July 24th, 2009 at 6:02 pmIntrepid,
I don’t know if your pulling my leg or not. But these events really happened to me. It just pisses me off when I hear about available healthcare via the emergency room.
The one time I was sent to collections was when I was out of work and the doctor looked at the x-rays for a few seconds and said “there’s nothing we can do for you here you should try the doctor across the street.”
For the docotr’s 30 seconds of time in which “0″ care was administered I was billed $500. (his time alone – doesn’t include the $50. aspirin or the $80 canvas sling etc…).
July 24th, 2009 at 6:03 pmThere was a little boy who died of an tooth/gum infection because his Mother couldn’t afford the dentist’s fee. Now children have free dental in the state of Maryland.
foxx is crazy, just like the rest of the repug teabaggers.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:04 pmNO, Virginia, there is no ‘universal’ health care. The ER doesn’t count.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pmHealth care in America in a nut shell.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm“The operation was a success but the patient went bankrupt.”
Rep Foxx went on to say, “Also, there are no Americans who are hungry. After all, they can just go to a restaurant and then wash dishes if they can’t pay.”
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and darnit, the Republicans are going to keep us paying for that pound!
July 24th, 2009 at 6:06 pmUCSBKitty says:
he also shouldn’t drive on public highways, use public education, call for police or firefighters, etc.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:07 pmThe people I know on disability wouldn’t trust a Republican as far as they could throw one.
Most of us know that health care reform is not a proposed government takeover of the health care industry. But even government run health care in the form of the VA has been an excellent experience for me, for the most part. Today I called the toll free number. The menu is long, but there are lots of options. After the “if this is a medical emergency, please hang up and dial 9-1-1 message is, “If you are having thoughts of harming yourself, call the suicide prevention hotline at…”. Other menu options hook callers up with information about how to get into the VA system, if they are not already.
Now that I’ve decided to go back to school, I used this same menu to make an appointment with my primary care provider, my mental health provider, and to get information about having corrective surgery for my deviated septum (I have to be referred by my primary provider again, since it’s been so long since I had the work-up done).
I have an appointment with my primary provider August 19th, and with my mental health professional (who promptly returned my call) on July 29th. I made these appointments with one phone call. It took less than five minutes total.
Cost to me. Zero. (If you don’t count 30 years of trauma from an incident in nuclear forces.) The doctors at the VA are not flunkies like Army doctors. They’re professionals who prefer the regular schedule and limited paperwork that the VA provides. Many of them are accomplished research scientists, and work in tandem with research hospitals. They are doing their level best with too-limited resources.
The image of government services being inferior is becoming as grating to me as the stupid adage that “Those who can do, and those who can’t teach.”
July 24th, 2009 at 6:14 pmEmergency rooms don’t hand out diabetic supplies or heart disease medication. Sure, if you go in with a heart attack, they’ll treat you, but when you leave with a prescription for the medication you need to survive, that’s all it is; a piece of paper. If you can’t fork out $500 a month, at least, for your medications, then all the free emergency room gives you is a place to go to die. Sure, they’ll cut your foot off for you once your diabetes kills it, but they won’t supply you with the insulin and syringes you need on a daily basis. Don’t even think about cancer care or pain medication unless you’re willing to go to ER every four hours and I don’t think they’d let you get away with that anyway. Somebody needs to take these GOP “mothers” out and give them a dose of life for Americans who don’t have health care or enough money to get it. What a bunch of arrogant and cruel women these are.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:14 pmUnfortunately, Foxx is not the first conservative to push this argument. In July 2007, then-President Bush claimed that “people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
And that’s the reason why I was charged $350 for five minutes in an emergency room to get a prescription filled. I was told the cost was so high because that’s how they recover the money they lose on all the uninsured they are forced to provide care for. And a little mentioned fact is that the emergency rooms do bill the uninsured for their emergency room care and if they don’t pay it, they send it to a collection agency. So, you know that if your child is very sick and the only option is taking him/her to an emergency room, you will also know that you will spend the next year or two dealing with collection agencies.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:18 pmVirginia Foxx is the one who said Matthew Shephard being targeted because he was gay was a ‘hoax’. She’s a pitiful despicable human being and we Americans should shove 25 bars of soap down her throat and if she dies…no great loss to society.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:21 pmAnd this is why the #1 reason why families file for bankruptcy is because of medical bills. When one has a heart attack and is rushed to the hospital, one gets charged for the services even if they don’t have insurance. Can you imagine being sent a bill for $200,000? Many have!!!!
July 24th, 2009 at 6:23 pmCalling the treatment you get in an Emergency Room “health care” is locking the barn door after the cow is gone.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:26 pmVirginia Foxx, insurance company pimp and dingleberry straight from the Devil’s Backside…
July 24th, 2009 at 6:29 pmKayInMaine says:
And this is why the #1 reason why families file for bankruptcy is because of medical bills. When one has a heart attack and is rushed to the hospital, one gets charged for the services even if they don’t have insurance. Can you imagine being sent a bill for $200,000? Many have!!!!
My daughter, who is a bankruptcy attorney, sees them on a daily basis. She says that she rarely sees a bankruptcy where unpaid medical bills aren’t a contributing factor and she says with most, it’s the largest contributing factor. She has seen many middle class families literally wiped out because of unmet health care charges and most have what they thought was “good” health insurance. It’s only “good” until you have a real medical emergency. Then you find out how not good it really is.
And a little irony with my daughter. Her mother-in-law died last year after battling cancer for three years. They sold her house, liquidated all her assets and paid off all the bills they could. To this day they are still getting dunning phone calls at all hours of the day and night trying to get my daughter and her husband to pay the remainder of the medical bills her mother-in-law left behind.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:30 pmVirtual Pebble says:
Virginia Foxx, insurance company pimp and dingleberry straight from the Devil’s Backside…
Isn’t she the one who made the disparaging remarks about Matthew Shepard on the floor of Congress when his mother was in the audience?
July 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pmKayInMaine says:
Yep, emergency rooms have to take you in as a patient, but they will also bill you after you leave. Do the wingnuts know this or are they under the assumption all heart attacks are free of charge in this country for those without insurance? Dumbasses!
They will not only bill you, they will also dun you to death if you don’t pay their bills. I tried to negotiate with my local emergency room agreeing to split the difference (what I owed after my insurance paid their part and I paid my deductible). They basically told me to go suck eggs and sicced a collection agency on me. I’m going to continue to refuse to pay on principal. My credit rating is pristine and if they choose to report the $100 to the credit agencies, they can go for it.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:40 pmKayInMaine says:
Virginia Foxx is the one who said Matthew Shephard being targeted because he was gay was a ‘hoax’.
You get what you vote for and it looks like North Carolina got the shite end of the stick.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:50 pmIf I could make my acquaintance with Rep. Foxx, she would meet one American with no health insurance.
July 24th, 2009 at 6:50 pmWhat sort of deranged little world are these idiots living in? Let’s she how Ms. Foxx would survive without access to her gold-plated health coverage via the uninsured she is denigrating.
Gitmo would be perfect for this monster…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
July 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm#139. Bilbo Hussein Baggins…
I believe you’re correct, that she is the very same Virginia Foxx that decided an anti-gay slur was just the utterance needed on the House floor when Matthew Shepard’s mom was there. I don’t think there are two idiots in the House with the same name, and while Michelle Bachmann is working on being the best Foxx Clone she can be, she has to skip a few face lifts and whole brain liposuctions before she can claim to be the equal of Foxx in general meanspiritedness and anti-Americanism.
The running commentary about emergency room care not being health care is well taken. There’s a rationale behind it being called “emergency room”; it’s really for time critical cases, such as the onset of a heart attack or stroke, or for triage of trauma, like automobile accidents, or issues like overdoses and ingestion of toxins and poisons. It isn’t for providing continuing and preventative care.
Foxx may need emergency room care for an overdose of stupid.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:07 pmLeftside Annie says:
I hope you don’t mean that literally, and if you do, I hope you have adequate coverage because there are plenty of them out there and they just can’t stop the stoopid!
PEACE
July 24th, 2009 at 7:07 pmThis woman is an IDIOT. I personally know many, many people who do NOT have health care.
what a b*tch
July 24th, 2009 at 7:28 pmYa know I’d never hit a woman. No matter what. But, in her case, I could quite possibly make an exception. She is selfish, stupid and corrupt. God damn, this woman makes me sick.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:35 pmEmergency rooms are very expensive. If an uninsured person uses just emergency rooms for non-emergencies they will wait and wait until the cows come home.
How will the unisured pay for follow-ups, medication, and supplies?
No wonder the repugs are the laughing stock of the world.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:36 pmAnyone having problems with debt collectors calling you day and night,here’s a easy way to stop them!
July 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pmBuy a athletic/police whistle, metal ones are the best. Keep the whistle by your phone. When you recieve a call from debt collector or anyone that aggravates you, place the whistle about 2 inches from the reciever with the opening in the top towards the phone, and blow as hard as you can!
The individual on the other end won’t be calling you back anytime soon, but if they do blow the whistle again right into their ear!
I would love to get hold of Foxx’s email address, and distribute it to every uninsured or underinsured American so they can explain to Foxx what reality is like.
Bachmann and Foxx should both resign for their extreme stupidity. Since they are both Republicans, we know they won’t resign so I think the people that elected them need to recall them immediately.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:38 pm“STUPID is as, STUPID does.”
July 24th, 2009 at 7:38 pmI think for there to be some justice, the next time either Bachmann or Foxx needs any sort of medical care whatsoever, they need to give away all their money, and assume a 100,000 dollar debt. Perhaps that would sober them up a bit.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:40 pmconservative guy says
The problem with conservatives is they are stupid, heartless and souless.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI know what you mean, Mr. Evil. I like to hope I could restrain myself if I ever met one of these freaks, face to face, but it would be a trial. Though I sure would like an opportunity to debate them complete with charts and graphs and “27 8X10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against them”.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:45 pmKayinmaine is right, this is the very same woman who said the Matthew Shepard case was a simple robbery and not a hate crime at all. I wrote her a blistering e-mail then. Might have to again.
Missmolly, believe you said David Price was your congressman. He was mine, too, for a few years. Foxx is south of Greensboro—all small towns I believe.
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yeah conservative guy, you’d have alot of money left after the stock market crashed? What would you have investing in, KBR? What an effing loser.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:05 pmI think I have made up my mind. If a public option isn’t included in the reform. I’m going to Canada.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:08 pmconservative guy,
If we had put all our retirement money in the Nasdaq in 2000 when it was over 5000 and it is 1965 today……….
Or if we had bought Enron when it was $95 before it fell to 10 cents….
Or if we had invested in a good blue chip like General electric at $62 under Clinton and then it went to $6 under Dubya…..
July 24th, 2009 at 8:08 pmI have considered Vancouver BC when I retire.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:09 pm****
wish i had a nickel for every right wing
dick head who writes that they’ve
“only been on this site for a few days but…”
:)
July 24th, 2009 at 8:11 pmconservative guy,
It is getting harder and harder to earn a decent living in the US because so many jobs have been sent overseas since 1981.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:12 pmconservative guy says:
You couldnt hit water from a pier. You are stunningly stupid. Gov. programs DONT WORK? So before SS half of all seniors died in poverty and today thats less than 10% but it doesnt WORK? The military doesnt work? We didnt REALLY go to the moon? Rural electrification didnt work? Do you have any idea how stupid you are and what a fool you are making of yourself by reflexively repeating what Rush TOLD you to think? Ok we get it you are a moron far too stupid to make sense. Thats fine. I love to laugh at people as stupid as you
July 24th, 2009 at 8:14 pmThe 4 D’s of the Republican strategy during the Obama years: Delay, Distract, Distort, Deceive.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:17 pmconservative guy says:
Government programs don’t work.
_________
Then I take it you don’t depend on your local fire department or police, or the courts, or military for ANYTHING…
***eyes roll***
The last of the Rugged Individualists here, folks…
July 24th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWell, by all means when the time comes do not accept your Medicare or your Social Security payments. Tell them you’re better off without it!
July 24th, 2009 at 8:29 pmAccording the neck drooling conservative guys, they would much rather pay to have their mail delivered each day then to have it delivered via a minuscule amount of tax money they pay each year and never ever miss.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:30 pmThe two biggest government programs in the history of the Earth were the investments made by the U.S.A. and the Soviet Union in winning WW2. They worked pretty damn well.
Of course, that was spending to kill people. It’s really easy to see the immediate results when one invests in killing people.
Social programs, are designed to help people. It’s much harder to measure the effects. Someone actually eating three meals a day is hard to equate to the finality of a dead body.
Frankly, it just becomes too difficult for the right-wing authoritarian mind to understand the benefits of helping people so they just mindlessly squawk that their are no benefits.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:33 pmSorry to intrude, but as an outsider it looks to me that the Republicans in the US so hate thinking for themselves, much like creationists they look for and mindlessly repeat talking points.
Is their anti-intellectualism so strong they refuse to research beyond their own group?
July 24th, 2009 at 8:35 pmKeith @160
Vancouver’s the best.
We said we would move there if Bush won in 2000.
Then the real estate skyrocketed there.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:35 pmGaryB says:
Is their anti-intellectualism so strong they refuse to research beyond their own group?
I think there’s more to it but, Yes! Their anti-intellectualism is so strong that they can deny reality itself.
And there’s no need to be an outsider. Join in any time.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:41 pmThe simplest way to solve a problem is to deny its existence.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:42 pmconservative guy says:
I’ve only been on this blog site for a few days but I can see that liberals aren’t very tolerant of opposing views. Of course that doesn’t surprise me.
Yes, conservatives are well known for their tolerance of opposing views. It’s practically built right into their name. It is certainly clear that you came here with an open mind, prepared to rethink your own opinions and weigh the evidence.
’scuse me while I snort perfectly good Campari out my nose.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:43 pmI think conservatives are conformists, for the most part.
Liberals and progressives are more independant in their thinking and their lifestyle.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:48 pmokie dokie says:
I think conservatives are conformists, for the most part.
Most “conservatives” are really reactionaries, especially in this country. To them, everything would be just grand if only it could revert to a (mythical) period like the 50s.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:51 pmI periodically pimp this online book about the right-wing authoritarian phenomenon. It’s a bit of a read but it describes them in great detail.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
July 24th, 2009 at 8:51 pmI might add that there is nothing conservative about today’s “conservatives”. They are reckless radicals of the most dangerous kind.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:54 pmEveryone went down one. Can a little dollop of droppings, from our pet troll, be far behind?
July 24th, 2009 at 8:56 pmYou’re so right gummblebee
It’s like the 60’s never happened.
They skipped right to Reagan.
And they’re pretty much stuck there.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:58 pmI’m really starting to believe that the word ‘conservative’ truly means ‘neck droolers trying to conserve their any brain cells they have left’.
July 24th, 2009 at 8:59 pmIf you pay into Social Security then why would you turn it down when you retire?
July 24th, 2009 at 9:00 pmA “-1″ vote against the truth is usually a sign the republic party (the American Taliban) is losing the discussion.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:01 pmI’ve been seeing troll droppings all week.
Especially late at night at the end of a thread.
Very spooooky…
July 24th, 2009 at 9:03 pmConservative guy, it’s not that liberals react badly to ideas different or opposite their own. Although I can’t speak for others, I find the persistent anger, construction and hatred of outgroups, calls for violence, kneejerk reactions, inability to see nuance and blind authoritarianism annoying and frustrating. Any vitriol you see here and at other progressive\liberal venues is the result of dealing with people unwilling to examine and discuss an issue logically and objectively.
If you want a different reaction then convince yourself and your ingroup members, and please forgive the hockey reference, to play the puck instead of the man.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pmAfter 8 years of dealing with George & Dick and neck drooling hateful neocons who supported both these Muslim haters, no person with a rational normal functioning brain would ever believe progressives/liberals are anything like them. Ever. ;-)
July 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pmIf the House has a Democratic majority and the Senate has a Democratic majority of votes and the President is a Democrat, then why hasn’t this bill been passed already?
Who cares about what a Repubs meaningless vote is?
July 24th, 2009 at 9:19 pmBecause dems can think for themselves and don’t follow in lock step like a good bunch of brownshirts.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:19 pmThen why hasn’t the bill been passed?
July 24th, 2009 at 9:21 pmGood evening, Gary B. I seem to be a few minutes behind you on each thread. Welcome, and feel free to join in any time.
But it appears you waste your time on conservative guy. His MO appears to be a brief, cryptic, and inaccurate pronouncement about the evils of liberalism but never stays around to discuss his reasons for holding such views or even explain just who he means by “liberal”.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pmWell, let’s see…I am not indigent. I don’t qualify for public assistance (I am middle income). My employer is a small business and does not provide health insurance. Because of pre-existing conditions no company will approve me for a private policy. I would say I don’t have adequate access to health coverage! I have a regular annual test that is $4,000. I pay for lab work that amounts to over $3,000 annually. I pay for prescription drugs over $3,000 annually. And these figures don’t even cover doctors, xrays, and other related stuff and circumstances.
Let me make a suggestion, let’s ask Congress to CANCEL (so they experience a real lapse) their health coverage until they pass an acceptable plan for providing accessible health care for all Americans. Maybe that will motivate them. Then once it is passed, let’s see them put in place health insurance for them and address their pre-existing needs.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:27 pmokie dokie says:
Vancouver’s the best.
We said we would move there if Bush won in 2000.
Then the real estate skyrocketed there.
You’re saying cause and effect, aren’t you. :-)
July 24th, 2009 at 9:28 pmThe Bill hasn’t been passed because it hasn’t been finalized yet, mike. There are several versions and several drafts of each one of them. It’s been awhile and it’s easy to forget but that’s how our government is supposed to work.
People write and propose legislation and then it’s dissected and discussed in a process that seldom moves as smoothly as we would like. They propose counter ideas and counter, counter, ideas until it passes committee. Then they consolidate the products of the various committees before going to a vote.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:29 pmmike48 says:
Then why hasn’t the bill been passed?
Some Dems have been bought by the HealthCorporations, too.
Then there is the Republican veto threat.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:32 pmand what pete just said
July 24th, 2009 at 9:32 pmThanks Pete.
What I don’t understand is why people are blaming the Repubs when we have enough votes to pass the bill?
Who cares about them?
July 24th, 2009 at 9:32 pmAugust is vacation month, didn’t you hear? Yeah, yeah, according to Harry Reid the republics & Blue Dog Democrats need more time to talk to lobbyists so they will all vote against any bill that comes across their desk that helps the American people! See? I though you knew that already? Huh. Guess not.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:36 pm???? As far as I know, there is no Veto Threat from the Republicans. If the President doesn’t like the bill then he can VETO it, right? I don’t think he would VETO the bill. Do you? If you do then why do you think he would do that?
July 24th, 2009 at 9:37 pmI heard Nancy Pelosi say that they already have the votes in the House to pass the bill. So lets vote.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:40 pmThe problem, mike, (And I didn’t mean to sound so condescending in my previous post. Troll fatigue.) is that the GOoPers are using this perfectly natural “delay” as an opportunity to raise unreasonable doubts while the legislators work out their doubts, both reasonable and unreasonable.
From the language I’ve seen from Democrats, including Blue Dogs, I don’t get any sense that something won’t be done soon. (Heck! In my more optimistic moods I can even think they are improving the Bills, though I won’t hold my breath.)
It’s hard to remain patient but I’m old enough to have learned that such things move at “the speed of government” and there’s not much to be done about it. I guess I don’t see the harm in letting the GOoPers bleat about holding things up when it’s not true but we can’t let them go unchallenged either.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:45 pmWell Ms. Foxx, you might get ER care when you get there, but be careful after that, because they might just dump you back on the streets to get rid of you.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:45 pmmike48
I meant to say the threat of a filibuster. You need 60 senators to break the filibuster. It is debateable if the Dems will have 60, even if they get a couple Repubs—because of the Dems like Baucus they will lose.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:52 pmThanks Pete.
Do you think that Congress should take it’s time and pass the best bill possible? Why not cancel the Vacations and keep working? I’ve had to cancel my Vacations many times at work when an important contract comes in.
With the importance of this bill shouldn’t vacations be cancelled?
A good bill is a good bill and it should be voted on according to it’s merit.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pmIn 1994, the Repubs kept “moving the goalposts”. The Dems would finally agree to a Repub demand, then that would not be good enough. Then the Dems would agree to a new demand, then that would not be good enough.
July 24th, 2009 at 9:55 pmKeith, it just goes to show you that you cannot negotiate with Republicans. There must be no more bipartisanship at all.
Republicans are fascists to their core and you cannot trust them at all.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:01 pmPete, thanks for the welcome.
I’m not terribly concerned with Conservative guy specifically, I’m just trying to get my feet wet here. It will take me a while to learn the personalities and general direction of the blog comments so until then it’s just easier to directly address the stereotypic right winger.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:01 pmI understand what went on in 1994 but we now have the majority in both the House and Senate plus we have the White House. We didn’t have that in 94.
If we write a good bill that would solve the health care problem then don’t you think we can get the people of our own party to vote for it? If we can then there is nothing the Republicans can do. If the bill is a good one then we might just get some of their votes for it.
Making them angry isn’t helping to do that. That’s my opinion of course and I realize it goes against so many here.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:03 pmI agree, Gary. I wouldn’t dream of discouraging you. I succumb to the desire to try and engage, or even educate, the trolls on occasion. We have to try.
But I’ve gotten to the point where I seldom try to separate the Reichwhiners. We have a couple of dedicated trolls who breed sock puppets (alter egos) like rabbits. Despite the changing names the posts are easy enough to identify after a while. And I will admit I’ve, wrongly, jumped to the conclusion that a newcomer was not a different person.
Luckily, they all seem to follow the same flawed logic so they are mostly interchangeable.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pmI haven’t read the bill, but my understanding is that the repugs have made amendments that I would assume have compromised it. Any comments?
July 24th, 2009 at 10:12 pmAND, what’s left out of the article is that you can’t find a handful of Americans ON EARTH that think Rep. Foxx has an IQ higher than a bag of BB’s…
Time to go wash out her bed pan…..
July 24th, 2009 at 10:14 pmI don’t know that we are making the republicans angry, mike. It seems to me that the whole party has been a seething cauldron of rage since they realized the depth of their defeat and there’s no reasonable way to thwart it.
That rage is dangerous and it would be foolish to ignore it but I don’t think anything could placate it at this time.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:16 pmThe repugs are angry because they lost. Most live their life in that football mentality of win and lose. No compromise. Acknowledging their anger or compromising to their unreasonable whims won’t cut it. It is better to do what Obama is doing. Be strong, confident, and look forward.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:25 pmPete.
I see the same rage that you see but it’s on both sides I think. I think it’s a waste of time and effort when things need to get done.
If I understand my civics right, all of Congress has the right to represent those who voted them into office. It also means that they should have some say into bills being drafted in Congress.
All amendments are voted on before they are approved or even added into a bill being written. I watch CSPAN when I get a chance and I see amendments being voted on all the time.
okie dokie asked about that.
Well, it’s been nice posting with you guys but it’s getting late.
Next time.
Mike.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:30 pmDon’t forget “careful” okie dokie.
Despite the change in momentum it wouldn’t take much of a screw up to cause real damage. As much as we may want to see bold movement there are, sadly, political realities.
If they were able to attach a real failure to Obama it would run, 24/7 on the “liberal media” until the election in 2012. I don’t think a delay in any particular legislation will cause lasting harm but, an expensive failure might well be enough to give the Reichwhiners a chance.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:35 pmUh, does Virginia Foxx’s photo give anybody else flashbacks of their junior high dean of girls?
July 24th, 2009 at 10:36 pmOh, I agree, pete.
Inhofe is my senator, and he’s made it clear that his objective is too sabatage any progress Obama or any Dems try to make. Nothing new there.
All they want is to get back in the majority.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:41 pm“The Democrat way is not reforming healthcare, …” announced Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
Why is it that the same party that would mandate English as the official language REFUSES to speak it correctly? Did they have a caucus one day and decide to boycott the adjectival form of Democrat? What’s the freakin’ point?
July 24th, 2009 at 10:41 pmmike, the difference that I see is that the rage from “the left”, as we get called, is pretty much restricted to blogs where we whip each other up and vent. The rage from the right is, on the other hand, institutionalized.
I haven’t seen any “liberal” politicians urging their constituents to arm themselves to protect themselves in a world gone mad. And I haven’t heard of any “liberal” shooting up “conservative” churches.
But, speaking only for myself, I’m sick of being angry at, and distrustful of, our elected leadership. I reserve it for those who would continue on the disastrous course charted by the GOP. There’s a long ways to go but I’m still pretty sure that our country is under better management and I’m willing to let them set their own timetable.
G’night, mike.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:44 pmAlso, they are so blind angry on the race thing, They can’t bear to validate not only anything Obama accomplishes, but even the legitamacy of his citizenship.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pmokie dokie,
If local gambling laws were more lax I would start a pool on who will be the first Reichwhiner to call our President the “N” word on an open mic. Personally, I would put my money on Glen Beck but Crazy Shelly (InsaneR-Mn.) or Inhofe would be contenders if they had as much air time.
July 24th, 2009 at 10:51 pmOh, I’m sure Inhofe already has, but we’re not privy to that.
I saw some really outrageous comments on Michelle Malkins twitter about Michelle Obama being ape-like during the early Iran post-election days. Apparently she didn’t realize the whole world could see it.
July 24th, 2009 at 11:01 pmSorry about the OT but Bill Moyers delivered a scathing essay on the hate media. It should be up on the PBS website but I haven’t looked yet.
Bless you, Bill, for providing a diversion at this time. The screechers will forget all about issues and spend much of the next week defending their “honor” against your criticism.
July 24th, 2009 at 11:01 pmWas that tonite? (The Bill Moyers essay)
July 24th, 2009 at 11:05 pmperla says:
Why is itthat the same party that would mandate English as the official language REFUSES to speak it correctly? Did they have a caucus one day and decide to boycott the adjectival form of Democrat? What’s the freakin’ point?
I can’t answer this perla. I still wonder why the party that doesn’t believe in evolution is willing to use health care access as some sort of natural selection process in which the rich stay healthy and the sick stay poor.
July 24th, 2009 at 11:06 pmYep. That was Bill Moyers tonight. It’s available here:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
July 24th, 2009 at 11:17 pmOutstanding:
I’m sure it’s that whole “will of God thing”.
Unless it’s them.
July 24th, 2009 at 11:18 pmThanks, pete!
I’m going to watch the big screen for a while.
Watch out for the trolls!
(They can be so negative!)
July 24th, 2009 at 11:24 pmThat woman(?) is as ugly as sin!
July 24th, 2009 at 11:25 pmokie dokie says:
I’m sure it’s that whole “will of God thing”.
If that’s the case they are so gonna be surprised when they meet the dude and he tells them “whatever you have done for the least of them, so have you done to me”.
July 24th, 2009 at 11:27 pmconservative guy says:
July 24th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I see you can’t be bothered to answer a simple question put to you. I won’t bother asking again. You’re one of those idiots who think you’re the only one who ever worked for a living.
July 25th, 2009 at 12:34 amperla says:
Why is itthat the same party that would mandate English as the official language REFUSES to speak it correctly? Did they have a caucus one day and decide to boycott the adjectival form of Democrat? What’s the freakin’ point?
They purposely use it to denigrate the Democratic Party. They know exactly what they are doing…playing to the base.
July 25th, 2009 at 2:55 amI have been unemployed for 7 months. Since I am past 65, I did not have to get COBRA–I activated my Medicare and bought a Medi-gap supplemental policy for a total of $172 a month–a savings of $307 a month from COBRA. I fell a few weeks ago an fractured my wrist. I had to have surgery to put pins in the bones to hold them together. So far, I have gotten $14,730 in bills and I haven’t even got the orthopedic surgeon’s bill yet!! And I didn’t even go to the ER–I went to my general practitioner first. So, the prices are indeed inflated to cover those who are not insured–nobody should have to pay (probably with the surgeon’s bill)over $20,000 for a broken wrist!!
July 25th, 2009 at 4:08 amIf Americans can’t see that having the current system is nothing more then a system of stealing your wealth through health care.
What better way to put someone into debt and when they can’t pay, you TAKE ALL THERE POSSESSIONS AND ALL FUTURE EARNINGS!!!!
When will the American people wake up to this fact?????
National strikes, Marches , protest is the only way to achieve SINGLE PAYER.
July 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pmJust for the record, I am on disability, and would never vote for a rethugliacan.Although, I do know too many who do.
July 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmtony and lido
Even if I accept her ludicrous argument:
Does Foxx (R-NC) realize that one of the things bankrupting hospitals is the need to provide emergency treatment to people without healthcare ?
That the costs of this pro bono care adds about $ 1,000 to everyone else’s insurance. That by delaying care until the need is critical, diseases which could be treated much cheaper end up requiring much more intensive and expensive care – increasing the total cost of healthcare for all ?
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You know, Foxx, if you long for those good old days in Dickensian times, when people just died in the streets, just read the books, ok?
July 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pmIt is obvious that she has NO clue what is going on in the private sector of America.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 amThis is the biggest problem with Congress today, most ALL have been in office soooooooooo long that they have forgotten about the people who put them there and are only worried about lining their pockets before they leave.
I loved her in Mrs. Doubtfire. (Too Obvious? – sorry) ~~
I think that all congressional healthcare should be suspended so that our “leaders” can get a better idea of what “real Americans” are feeling. And not just those real Americans in real America… all of them. Maybe they could go get healthcare in their home districts during their break, afterall, they have much more important things to do, when they’re “working” for us. To give them a little head start, we could enroll them in medicare, or that socialized VA care. Wouldn’t want them to be totally uninsured.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pmOnce again Rep. Foxx has shown us how truly clueless she is on a great many issues.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pmRep. Foxx once again you have perpetuated the stereotype of a GOP member who is a puppet on a string pulled by Anthem, Aetna, Humana, and every corrupt HMO on the planet. You are a disgrace as an American, a woman, and a human being. I do not have health care through no fault of my own. Please get your head out of your duffle bag!
July 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm