CNN’s Howard Kurtz Criticizes CNN’s Lou Dobbs For Giving Airtime To ‘Birther’ Conspiracies
CNN’s Howard Kurtz Criticizes CNN’s Lou Dobbs For Giving Airtime To ‘Birther’ Conspiracies
Last week, ThinkProgress noted that CNN’s Lou Dobbs is one of the most high-profile “birthers” in America, continuing to demand that Obama present a “long form” birth certificate to prove his citizenship. Dobbs’ focus on the story has been so bad that CNN President Jon Klein eventually sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” declaring that the “birther” story is “dead,” though he later backed down a bit. Dobbs has responded to his critics by calling them “limp-minded, lily-livered lefties” who don’t like that he had “the temerity to inquire as to where the birth certificate was.”
On his Reliable Sources show today, CNN’s Howard Kurtz criticized Dobbs and others in the media who have given airtime to the “fringe of the fringe” that is the “birther” crowd. “These are ludicrous claims, there is no factual basis for them,” said Kurtz. “Why give the birthers any airtime?” He then specifically criticized Dobbs for not acting “responsible”:
KURTZ: Callie Crossley, Lou Dobbs on his radio show said, “I believe the president is a citizen of the United States.” But he keeps raising these questions, complaining about criticism from “limp-minded, lily-livered lefties.” Is it responsible for Dobbs and others to go on the air, talk about these claims, demand proof, when we have seen a copy of the birth certificate? When Hawaii officials say that Barack Obama was born there in 1961?
CROSSLEY: It absolutely is not responsible.
Watch it:
As one of the top media critics in the country, Kurtz has been criticized for not commenting on Dobbs’ birther obsession in his Washington Post column. As has been noted by many, the birther claims that President Obama wasn’t born in America are groundless.
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I just hope a few show up here and explain a plausible argument for why all the moneys available to the GOP were not used to prevent losing to someone who the constitution would have ruled out. Clearly no one in the party apparatus buys this weirdo conspiracy crap…
July 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amThis just epitomizes the frustrations that normal people have with the tinfoil hat crowd. I can not believe it is from a true belief in the rightness of their cause but stems from the deep hatred they feel at having a black President
July 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pmRepugs are just grasping,its all they have left.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pmShow them the copy of the birth certificate and they say they can’t see it clearly or can’t tell if it is real. What they can’t believe is that a black man is president.
The wealthiest children in America live in a world where other races and homosexuals are accepted. Those are the people who will be donating to campaigns in the future. I meet children of Republicans every day who call themselves Democrats. The party of hate that thought it was being so clever ended up shooting itself in the foot.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pmCNN’s Howard Kurtz Criticizes CNN’s Lou Dobbs For Giving Airtime To ‘Birther’ Conspiracies
Finally, a peep out of Mr Conflict of Interest.
BTW, I find it rather rich that Lou Dobbs, the xenophobic bed-wetting fear-monger, is calling anyone “limp-minded.”
July 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmRepeating the lie over and over is what the right wing of America does best! It’s why Americans no longer have faith in this atrocious party. Good.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmDon’t blame me I voted for Kodos or maybe I voted for Kang. I am not sure. I can never tell those two apart…
July 26th, 2009 at 12:06 pmDobbs’ focus on the story has been so bad that CNN President Jon Klein eventually sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” declaring that the “birther” story is “dead,” though he later backed down a bit.
Jon Klein, its easy to fix, just say “Lou Dobbs, you’re fired.” Problem solved, and Dobbs no longer embarrasses CNN. Just fire the idiot, idiot.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pmDobbs is “king” at CNN – or at least he thinks so.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pmWhen the CEO backed down on his criticism, that became pretty clear.
Kurtz joins others on CNN who denounce the foolish “birthers” but I am not expecting Dobbs to retract his public words.
This issue has exposed the spots on the leopards, meaning we now know better who the extreme fringe is. And they are burrowed in some pretty high places with a pretty big microphone.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmGeraldo called Dobbs a ‘loony’, even Ann Coulter poo-pooed the Birthers.
In honor of false toothed Lou Dobbs I say we call the Birthers LOUNY.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmIt’s very obvious to me why Lou Dobbs married an undocumented Latino: He needed someone to do his laundry, mow his lawn, and clean his house. Right Lou? Hey, if you can make up shit about President Obama then I sure as hell can make up crap about you! I’ll keep repeating the lie that your wife is undocumented and will demand that you release her ORIGINAL LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE HELD BY THE STATE to prove that she’s an American. Okay?
July 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pmdbadass says:
I just hope a few show up here and explain a plausible argument for why all the moneys available to the GOP were not used to prevent losing to someone who the constitution would have ruled out. Clearly no one in the party apparatus buys this weirdo conspiracy crap…
Good question, dbadass. And I wonder if any of the moneys available to the GOP were used to help fuel this conspiracy. You know, give some of it to people who would do all the legal legwork and put their own names to it to hide the GOP’s involvement.
Yes, I agree that sounds like crazy conspiracy talk, but when one considers the kinds of conspiracies we damn well know happened during the previous eight years, is it really all that inconceivable that the GOP would stoop that low? And how would they convince people they weren’t involved in it, when we know what they were involved in?
“Sure we ginned up fake intelligence to justify a decision we made the day we took office to invade Iraq and remove Saddam from power, and we outed an undercover CIA agent who was working on preventing nuclear proliferation, the very thing we said was so dangerous to our country’s security, then lied about virtually every fact about both of those, then tried to covere it all up, and we completely subverted our Justice system by staffing the department with ideologues of suspect legal qualification and lied about that, and we did a whole bunch of things that you ain’t even heard about, yet. But we would never give a wackjob lawyer a few thousand bucks to pursue a fruitless legal attempt to stop a guy, who will certainly kick the ass of any candidate we put out there, from becoming president by getting him declared constitutionally ineligible.”
I wouldn’t buy it. Would you?
July 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pmNow that is a plausible argument…
July 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmNow we understand why questioning whether 9/11 was a surprise attack or a planned one or an attack allowed to happen by the Bush Regime was not allowed on any news channel…….BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE ONTO SOMETHING! IT’S ALL TRUE!
The Birther conspiracy, however, is so false and ridiculous the news channels are talking about it because the Birther’s claims can be proven untrue!
See how this works?
If the 9/11 Truthers were completely nuts, then the news channels would have had many nights of discussion on the top to use it as a way to prove how ridiculous the Truthers are. But nope! Not a word about it and it was not allowed.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmCorrection at #15: *on the topic
July 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmI saw many “birthers” at a teabagger event on July 4 close to my home. The majority seemed to be working-class whites with little education and a lot of rage, probably the majority of whom also have seriously health problems due to obesity and anger issues. There were more Confederate than American at that rally. The protest signs were crudely constructed, with many spelling mistakes.
Those morons are being shamelessly exploited by the oligarchs, who will use the distraction to continue their massive theft of individual wealth and taxpayer money in this country.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmDobbs has borrowed a page from the FOX News book on disseminating propaganda under the guise of delivering the news. Both he and the clowns at FOX News perpetuate lies and half-truths that incite fear and hatred and claim it’s fair game because the stories are packaged as hypothetical “what ifs”.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmThe GNOP didn’t spend money trying to defeat Obama.
They knew their only chance in the future was to hand off a failed economy, high unemployment, a shrinking middle class, rising rates of uninsured and two wars to the Democrats.
They allowed their candidate to pick an idiot as a running mate who was ideologically connected with the Fundies and racists (not that they are mutually exclusive) to reassure that “base” that they really wanted a white man and a Christian in the positions of power, but they really didn’t want to win this one.
The Birther phenomenom and the “white men are discriminated against” are part of their rebuilding strategy. And with unemployment high, wait for the “illegals are taking jobs away from real Americans” to be the next big thing.
YMMV
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pmShayne says: I meet children of Republicans every day who call themselves Democrats. The party of hate that thought it was being so clever ended up shooting itself in the foot.
I saw the same thing when I taught high school. This is where the Republican fear of Science has hurt them. Any one with a basic grasp of college Science understand that for ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The opposite reaction to ‘pushing your views on others’ is that they will resist, or move away from them…
July 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pmspencers mom also make a strong case but dbadass wonders why it isn’t spelled spencer’s mom…
July 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pmGood catch, dbadass, eyes like an osprey….
July 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pmand dbadass also makes a strong case but spencers mom wonders why it isn’t spelled d’badass…
You are such a trouble maker, even on days when you are completely absent! Did you see all the trouble you caused yesterday?
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pmI am that I am spencers mom
July 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmOkay, db, is this better? I’m feeling rather British today…
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 12:41 pmWhat really angers me is that none of this is journalism, although Lou Dobbs and Kurtz probably call themselves journalists. I thought CNN provided NEWS
July 26th, 2009 at 12:41 pm!!. There are big stories happening now, but either these talking heads (I call them the Opinionista) are too stupid or lazy to cover them, or the media companies just don’t want to pay for real reporting any more. Pretty soon there will be nothing in the “news” but right-wing opinion spew on idiotic subjects like this.
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no birther trolls?
moving on.
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July 26th, 2009 at 12:41 pmLet the Clowns self- destruct!
July 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pmIt took Kurtz this long to complain? PLEASE! This should have been bebunked from day 1. CNN and Faux Newa gave plenty of air time to these clowns. NOW CNN, or rather Kurtz, is voicing opposition. Give me a break.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pmCNN can’t decide if, with their rating dropping, they want to go after the FuxNews crowd or steal some from MSNBC. By legitimizing with Birthers, I think they’ve made their choice.
I never watch CNN. Or Fux.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 12:44 pmLou Dobbs should feel ashamed of himself for encouraging the birther theory. But of course he probably doesn’t feel any shame for exploiting the fear and insanity of other people. He’s just as bad as the GOP. They deal in fear, hypocrisy and lunacy.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pmWell, lets face it, it’s starting to be embarrassing!! Even for the regular righties……I’m like mcdonalds, I’m lovin it!!
July 26th, 2009 at 12:50 pmGood Grief!
Forget about the Republicans…they have a knack for incompetence.
What About Hillary Clinton. With her Legal Abilities, and Worldwide Contacts…don’t you think SHE would have mentioned it during the Primaries…If Barack Obama wasn’t Born in the USA??
July 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pmWow!
July 26th, 2009 at 12:55 pmBadger makes an even more plausible argument. Why is it that you folks are capable of reasoned thought?
Given that I’ve been out in the wilderness for much of the recent past, I had to google “birthers” to understand what in the hell this is all about.
Still, I can’t quite erase the image of a pack of coyotes snacking on the “after”-math of a range cow and her wobbly legged wet calf…
Sorry, but like I said, I’ve been out in the woods too long.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:56 pmBadger, that’s an excellent point! And I think it would be great if Hillary came out and stated that if there was any question whatsoever, she would have brought it up during the primaries. Let’s face it, there were Clinton fingerprints all over the Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers controversies.
Then the Birther movement can be laughed off as a hoax perpetuated by a few idiots on a whole bunch of other idiots.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pmMum,
It’s possible you have mis-spelled your boy’s name. :-D
July 26th, 2009 at 12:58 pmBadger says:
Good Grief!
Forget about the Republicans…they have a knack for incompetence.
What About Hillary Clinton. With her Legal Abilities, and Worldwide Contacts…don’t you think SHE would have mentioned it during the Primaries…If Barack Obama wasn’t Born in the USA??
July 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
An argument many of us have made time after time, but somehow the birthers don’t notice it.
July 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pmMum’s the word…
July 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pmBecause we’re Liberals, dbadass. You know, the ones who are, by definition, “open-minded”. Those guys on the other side just aren’t all that into that whole “critical thinking” stuff. Just tell them what you want them to believe, tell them it’s vital to their children’s survival (not just their own), and they will run with it and denounce everyone who disagrees with them as unpatriotic. We aren’t like that.
But you already knew that. ;)
July 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pmZooey says:
somehow the birthers don’t notice it.
They probably think that Hillary won’t go there, because Obama saw Hillary shoot Vince Foster.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:06 pm11 AIO
Yup. The clip is out there.
Jon Stewart ripped Dobbs a new one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/23/jon-stewart-eviscerates-t_n_243383.html
and mAnn Coulter – craziest among the wingnuts – even rejects the fringe GOPiggies pushing the birthers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTHQUYvwBM
Relevant portion starts around 6:15 mark
July 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pmNo, Zooey, I was going for the British poet, Edmund Spenser.
I guess my snark was too subtle…
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pmAnd here I thought she was just trying to take the MILF thing in a new direction…
July 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmSpenser’s Mum says:
No, Zooey, I was going for the British poet, Edmund Spenser.
I guess my snark was too subtle…
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
A likely story!
July 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pmkonchster says:
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This just epitomizes the frustrations that normal people have with the tinfoil hat crowd. I can not believe it is from a true belief in the rightness of their cause but stems from the deep hatred they feel at having a black President
July 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pm————————————————————–
The simple answer is YES. Being an American who happens to be black, and one who has lived in the South all of my life, I can say unequivocally, YES. Although it is appalling that these attitudes still exist, it is true. There are some in this society who will take one look at you and think: BAD PERSON. They never seek to speak with you to find out what lies under the skin. And to a certain extent, this society has promoted this behavior now for 300+ years, and some are still promoting this way of thinking. Think Pat & Bay Buchanan as primary examples of this along with a whole host of others. In fact, I would put Michael Steele, Larry Elder, Mark Christie, Ken Blackwell, and Alan Keyes in the same group. They are not necessarily sell-outs. I would describe them as grappling with their own acceptance of being black in America. IMO, they have an identity crisis.
We’ve totally left the trolls behind on this one, spencer’s mom, they think a snark is a shark with its fin bit off.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pmEither these so called ‘Birthers’ think that the state of Hawaii forged Obama’s birth cerificate,or the birth certificate itself is not a good or valid one.
I don’t think either case is accurate.
So, Lou Dobbs can either sue the state of Hawaii if he wishes, or simply shut up.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:23 pmWhy the hell would the Secret Service for almost 2 years now be protecting an illegal alien President of the United States? Don’t they know what their job is which is to do background checks! I mean, really, at this rate the Secret Service would have no problem with Vladimir Putin running for the presidency in 2012 for gawd’s sake! How much do we pay the SS, anyway? They need to be fired. NOW. Right, birthers? We get what you mean now! Spit.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmmajii says:
July 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Excellent perspective, majii.
It reminds me of the time my Soc 101 professor (who was from Mississippi) said that if you asked a southern white person in the 1950s if there was a problem with racism in the south, they would look at you like you were nuts and say, “No.”
It wasn’t a problem, because it wasn’t a problem FOR THEM. They couldn’t or wouldn’t think any further than the ends of their noses. That has stuck with me, and I can see it in the likes of Pat Buchanan et al.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmSpenser’s Mum says:
No, Zooey, I was going for the British poet, Edmund Spenser.
I used to have a rat named Spenser, but he was named after the detective in Robert B. Parker’s series. Spenser was a snake survivor — my girlfriend’s boa constrictor decided not to eat him, and after several days of utter and complete terror, Spenser was spared and named. Eventually, he developed a tumor and had to be euthanized.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pmDobbs should be kicked off CNN – Obama’s citizenship has been proved, yet liars like Dobbs continue the lies. Dobbs has no place on CNN– let the racist go where he belongs- Fox. He & Beck can whine, wail, lie & cry together.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pmDobbs and his ilk have nothing left to latch onto.
On the heels of the bumbling Bush and his abject incompetence, we have an intelligent and articulate President who hit the ground running the day after the election, and has already done much to undo the damage wrought by Cheney and his Dummy.
To have a president who happens to be of a different skin color, yet displays superior intellect; destroys the foundations of the paradigms the neocons have built their entire belief system upon.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm52 dasm
Whaaaaaaaaaat?
Even Rupert and Roger have trouble accommodating so many clowns under the Fox circus.
They had to kick out the albino Gibson to make room for the Baboon Beck. Moose Boogers will probably sit across KKKlownnity.
Frankestein Face will be out searching for Big Foot’s and Michael Jackson’s love child.
They’ve just picked up Tucker Carlson after he agreed to drop his stupid bow tie that made him look like a poodle.
Sure. Fox is a giant toilet bow. But dump a Lou Dobbs into it and Fox just might overflow.
July 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pmFox just doesn’t have room for Lou, because the Queen of the north will be getting the next time slot.
July 26th, 2009 at 2:02 pmEven if the President’s mother had given birth to him in Kenya – and she didn’t – but even if, because she was an American citizen, wouldn’t he automatically be an American citizen too?
July 26th, 2009 at 2:18 pmLou Dobbs lost any class he once had by joining the idiots of the birther conspiracy.
July 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmKurtz may be right on this one, but he is still a massive tool!
July 26th, 2009 at 2:37 pmHave any of the Birthers, including Dobbs, shown even ONE piece of evidence, real evidence, that Pres. Obama was born elsewhere? The proving should be on THEIR side, not Obama’s.
July 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pmWe know these Birthers are morons. That’s a given. But let’s take a quick look at the 14th Amendment, shall we?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Barack Hussein Obama was born in the United States, in Hawaii. But even if he wasn’t, his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth. His father may or may not have ever been a U.S. National, but his mother was a U.S. citizen her entire life.
I’d bet none of these Birthers has ever even read the Constitution. Hell, they don’t even understand that the 2nd Amendment does not carry with it the inherent right for every individual to own as many guns, assault weapons or otherwise, as he wants.
If ignorance is bliss, these idiots are wallowing in ecstasy.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pm46. majii says:
Majii, you are exactly right. I have lived in the deep south for many years, my observation is that a lot of southern whites are afraid of black men. Show them a well educated, successful black man and they just piss their pants.
July 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pmSpenser’s Mum says:
“Hell, they don’t even understand that the 2nd Amendment does not carry with it the inherent right for every individual to own as many guns, assault weapons or otherwise, as he wants.”
The amendment reads:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
The gun nuts seem to ignore the part about a
July 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm“well regulated militia”
That would be true, if their purpose was to prove anything.
As it stands, questioning the President’s legitimacy is enough for them at this point. All they have to do is fu(k with him enough to throw him off stride, they think.
Good luck with that, folks.
July 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pmnoseeum, exactly my point. And the “militia” referenced probably wasn’t anticipating well armed survivalists and end of days extremists.
Just like the bible, the wingnuttery has a way of interpreting the Constitution to mean whatever serves their purpose du jour.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pmYa think, Howie? Huh? Just maybe Dobbs is a bigot who ought to put a cork in it and move on to matters of substance and consequence.
This whiner twirp birther crap is the moral equivalent of sand flies or no-see’ums – time for insectide or repellent.
July 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pmIf it were necessary for President Obama to show his “long form” the teabaggin-repug-nutzo-crackpots would claim that the font wasn’t available in ‘61 or that it’s a fake.
The degree of stupidity doesn’t matter to these dumbasses.
July 26th, 2009 at 3:05 pmDO NOT FORGET: TIME SPENT BATTLING IDIOT CONSPIRACIES DISTRACT US FROM DOING THE REAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
and yes I know I was yelling !
July 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pmRepublican birthers are in an uproar about Obama’s place of birth but I remember times when Republican congressmen suggested amending the Constitution to allow persons born in foreign countries, such as Henry Kissinger and Arnold Schwartzenegger to run for the Presidency. Also, do the birthers feel that anyone born to Ambassadors or military people on foreign soil would not be eligible to become President of the U.S.?
July 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pm#33 & #38. Badger and Zooey say:
July 26th, 2009 at 3:21 pmIt’s not just that. Does anyone out there think that the national security establishment is going to give the “football” to someone who hasn’t been vetted? If you do, you’re probably off your meds….
Facts do not apply to the birthers. If someone like Glenn Beck or some other fringe birther told them that 2+2=5, no amount of working with manipulatives would convince them that 2+2=4…
You could show them proof of Obama’s citizenship in concrete form, but as others pointed out, they wouldn’t listen even if Jesus vouched for Obama…
July 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pmUCSBKitty, I suspect I could confound the Birthers with the same trick I used to try to pull on my son. When he was like two. Here it goes:
“I have 11 fingers.”
“No you don’t!”
“Yes, watch me count (hold out both hands and begin counting backwards) 10 – 9 – 8 – 7 – 6. 6 + 5 = 11!”
But I guess my son was smarter as a toddler than these Birther freaks.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pmIt’s funny how Lou Dobbs claims to be an “independent”. Everything about him smells like a mean-spirited Republican.
If it smells like a rose and feels like a rose, then it is a ROSE!
July 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm“Birther” means dumbas$ is Swahili.
July 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pmThe Republican problem with birthers is that they cannot disavow them without losing votes, nor embrace without losing votes from the middle of the road voters. This is the same problem they have with Limbaugh. They don’t have enough sense to politely distance themselves from the lunatic fringe.
July 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pmI only have 1 birf cert that I know about. It’s a funny little yellow (now) piece o’paper with some official embossed stamp thingy on it…guess I’m illegal too. I ain’t got no “long form”.
I guess I was born in Kenya too.
Who’da thunk it?
July 26th, 2009 at 4:11 pmDobbs is an independent like O’Reilly is an independent.
Neither of them has the balls to declare himself a Republican.
They have that in common with a lot of our trolls these days.
July 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pmBush was the dumbest president this country ever had,and the repugs and wingnuts thought he could do no wrong. Bush did so much damage in the eight years that he worked for cheney,that its going to take President Obama at least four years to clean up their mess. It doesnt take a brain surgeon to realize that Obama is trying whatever he can to improve the lives of all Americans. I wish these wingnuts would just STFU and let him do what the majority of Americans voted him into office to do.
July 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pmCNN has to make a decision. They either are a news channel or they are not. We already have FOX being a “not news” channel. CNN recently has been parroting a lot of the bilge spewed out by FOX.
CNN has to decide if they are going to uphold the standards of journalistic integrity or not. FOX has never worried about journalistic integrity, and it shows that only morons watch them.
If CNN wants to be a legitimate news source in the 21st century, they can either remove the journalists that are bias, or they will suffer the same fate that FOX inevitably will suffer. The Internet will gladly provide us our news if the so-called cable news networks can’t.
July 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pmGood afternoon, campers
Here on a very RARE weekend visit to TP
OT: Caribou Barbie has raised over a million $ for her PAC, so what is she planning? The quitting governess can’t even finish out 1 term in her current capacity, how could she possibly be taken seriously for prez?
Dream ticker” Caribou Barbie/Joe the nonplumber
BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!
July 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pmUncle Ho says: “OT: Caribou Barbie has raised over a million $ for her PAC, so what is she planning?”
Todd wants a new snowmobile, and the kids need new winter coats.
If there’s anything left over then they’ll pay the lawyers.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pmWe know these Birthers are morons. That’s a given. But let’s take a quick look at the 14th Amendment, shall we?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Barack Hussein Obama was born in the United States, in Hawaii. But even if he wasn’t, his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth. His father may or may not have ever been a U.S. National, but his mother was a U.S. citizen her entire life.
I’d bet none of these Birthers has ever even read the Constitution. Hell, they don’t even understand that the 2nd Amendment does not carry with it the inherent right for every individual to own as many guns, assault weapons or otherwise, as he wants.
If ignorance is bliss, these idiots are wallowing in ecstasy
http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_08.shtml
Thought I add the link to your comment.
Those racist rednecks don’t care for the constitution or the laws knowing these same laws apply to blacks. They think Blacks don’t apply to these laws. They accuse Obama of being a Muslim (though he chose to be a Christian), a terrorist because of his name and a Kenyan born though documents prove he’s a US citizen legally by law based on Title 8 of US laws. Terrorist, Muslim, Born in Kenya are subitutes for the word “niqqer” and that’s why they use those words against him. They plainly hate blacks and hate seeing a black man in the highest office in the country. These are also the very same morons who are good with seeing Obama getting assassinated and they are the same people who will most likely be the ones who will kill him. Homeland Security should be investigating every one of the tinfoil hat racist Repuke birthers.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pmThe (Wilmington, Delaware) News Journal…. in discussing what happened in Georgetown with Mike Castle and the birthers…has some interesting tidbits about the woman in the video.
The star of the show — known as “Crazy Eileen” to callers of a Sussex County talk radio station — has gone into seclusion, declining interviews and avoiding publicity, even as previous statements by her have emerged referring to Obama as “the antichrist” and speaking of ALIENS and ANGELS.
She has been BANNED from calling the station (WGMD)– known for its conservative leanings and hosts — on several occasions.
The article also discusses how Republicans are having a difficult time laughing away the birthers and how mainstream Republicans are GETTING CONCERNED about it.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/26/757991/-Mike-Castles-Birther-Harrasser-Revealed-As-Crazy-Eileen
July 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pmIf Jesus Christ told the birthers Obama was born in Hawaii, they’d call Jesus a terrorist and condemn him.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pmIntrepid says:
they’d call Jesus a terrorist and condemn him.
Ahhh…the Roman Solution.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pmWhere exactly was the Republican Party birthed anyway? The GOP claims to be native-born American, but can we really be sure? Maybe the GOP was actually created in Old Prussia or Upper Silesia back in 1855; who knows? We demand to see some real documentation from the GOP before any more so-called “Republicans” are to be allowed to run for public office here in America…
July 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pmHey Dobbs, Do you have a KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE proving he was born there? You don’t and you know it because NONE EXISTS and you know that too. Since it is FACT he was born in HAWAII based on his BIRTH CERTIFICATE which he submitted as well as background checks from both the FBI and the SECRET SERVICE and you KNOW these are FACTS, you ignore them and MAKE SHIT UP to appease the birthers like yourself because you KNOW facts have a liberal bias and since facts have a liberal bias you hate facts and hate liberals. Even if he was born in Kenya, it doesn’t matter because his mother is born and raised in the US and has lived in this country ALL her life so therefore under section 1401 of Title 8 of the US code, he is a US born citizen and that’s the law like it or not jackanus therefore making your weak birther and race based argument completely irrelevant. STFU.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pmNext the trolls will call title 8 of the us code (the laws) liberal media.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:55 pmI’m emailing Lou Dobbs to put his butt in his place.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:56 pmIntrepid,
Will you post a copy of your email to Dobbs here?
July 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pmI could use some help on this issue. I have never been a parent and have never had to go through the things parents do when a baby is born. I have heard of a “Birth Certificate”. I have mine. I have never heard the term “Certificate of Live Birth” before this whole Birther thing started, but I would have guessed that it’s the same thing as a “Birth Certificate”. It would be like a cop telling you, “This isn’t a Driver’s License, it’s a License For Driving. I need to see your Driver’s License.” I think you’d be confused, too, and that’s how I am about these two terms. Aren’t they one and the same thing?
The second thing is this “long form” I hear them mentioning. WTF is that? I have never heard of such a thing and neither has my mother (though, to be fair and honest, I’m not she heard me when I asked her the question). Exactly what are they talking about?
The last thing is this “affidavit” (which was, I understand, actually a recording of a phone call, through one, possibly more, translators) from Obama’s “step-grandmother”. Is it true that what she actually said was that she was present in the room in Kenya when they got the phone call announcing Barack’s birth, not that she was present in the room at his birth in Kenya? If so, it blows a giant hole in their arguments, as this was the one point G. Gordon Liddy desperately hung onto during his brain-addled appearance on Hardball.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:00 pmIntrepid,
Will you post a copy of your email to Dobbs here
it’s the same as my post in 86 but cleaned up a little. I also attached the link to Title 8 of the US code and a link to factcheck.org.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pmIf you want you can email him here:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html
July 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm91 and 92 are directed at zooey @89.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pmNot to worry, I ducked in time.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:16 pmzooey, this is what i got in my email so far from cnn.
and:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
“Thank you for your e-mail. We read each and every comment, but are unable to respond personally to so many.
We value your interest and thank you for watching Lou Dobbs Tonight.”
Sincerely,
July 26th, 2009 at 6:21 pmR2D2 and C3PO
I just emailed CNN the following:
I wonder if CNN will back away from the abyss or not.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pmnoseeum says:
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Not to worry, I ducked in time
Dobbs will probably duck my email to him. Scathing as it is.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmIs bots all they have left. How about one from a human (Lou Dobbs) but then again, birthers like Dobbs aren’t human.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmWayne,
A birth certificate is the same thing as a certificate of live birth. It’s all a semantics game, although I’m guessing that a stillborn child could be issued a birth certificate, with a box checked saying the child did not survive.
The long form is what we used to get: A copy of the birth certificate, with the doctor’s signature, parent signature, and all the other stuff you don’t actually need to prove when and where you were born — with the certification seal on it.
I have a long form copy of my birth certificate from California, but I’ve seen more recent birth certificates from California, and they were the short version.
Now, apparently, you just get a printout on special paper with the pertinent information, along with the certification seal.
A certification seal means the document is a certified copy. The clerk who made the copy or printed out the short form is swearing that the information contained on the copy is absolutely true. No clerk would risk losing a job over a certified copy. It’s simply not worth it.
Full disclosure: I used to be a legal secretary, and one of the attorneys I worked for specialized in adoptions. I dealt with many different states on the birth certificate issue. Also, I used to be a clerk of court, and I know what’s involved in certifying copies, since I did several of them every single day.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:25 pmZooey, disregard 92. Here is the correct address:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?9
July 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmThanks, Intrepid.
That’s likely the only reply you’ll get — like I get from my Rep and Senator. *sigh*
July 26th, 2009 at 6:28 pmCorrection to my comment at #100:
The clerk who made the copy or printed out the short form is swearing that the information contained on the copy is absolutely THE SAME AS ON THE ORIGINAL.
It’s called a “true and correct copy.”
July 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pmWilly,
It’s a poor analogy to speak of Dobbs as “smelling like a rose.” Wouldn’t it have been better to write, “If it smells like garbage (or sh-t), then it is garbage (or sh.t)?”
Willy says:
July 26th, 2009 at 6:45 pmIt’s funny how Lou Dobbs claims to be an “independent”. Everything about him smells like a mean-spirited Republican.
If it smells like a rose and feels like a rose, then it is a ROSE!
Lou Dobbs never spent this much time and energy wondering whether or not those hispanic folks that clean the barns for his “show horse’s” were born in this country?
July 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pmWhich is strange for such a paranoid anti-immigrant zealot!
Hey Reichwing–if Pres. Obama was born in Kenya then show me the birth certificate from Kenya! I’ll only take the “long form” as proof, OK!
I didn’t think so.
Intrepid and Zooey,
July 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pmI have written twice to CNN in the past week about Dobbs, and in both cases, I also received the “automatic reply” as you did. That’s what they always do, no matter what you write to them.
We can only hope that a real person reads the email eventually.
(I also wrote separately to Jack Cafferty and the Situation Room. Same response.)
Sorry Intrepid@86, I didn’t read all the posts and should have assumed you would beat me to the obvious point!
July 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pmWell done!
Dobbs should forced to read your post on the air shortly before quitting in discrace and walking off the set weeping!
…should BE forced…
d-i-s-g-r-a-c-e!
If I mess up anymore you folks can expect my announcement for Governor of Alaska in the next thread!
July 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pmZooey says:
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Thanks, Intrepid.
That’s likely the only reply you’ll get — like I get from my Rep and Senator. *sigh*
unfortunately.
Badger1 says:
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Sorry Intrepid@86, I didn’t read all the posts and should have assumed you would beat me to the obvious point!
Well done!
Dobbs should be forced to read your post on the air shortly before quitting in discrace and walking off the set weeping.
And hopefully the staff will pull a Chris Matthews on him and make him admit Obama is US born or be fired.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:07 pmMarie says:
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Intrepid and Zooey,
I have written twice to CNN in the past week about Dobbs, and in both cases, I also received the “automatic reply” as you did. That’s what they always do, no matter what you write to them.
We can only hope that a real person reads the email eventually.
(I also wrote separately to Jack Cafferty and the Situation Room. Same response.)
Translation:
“We at CNN reserve the right to ignore every single letter to our staff because we don’t care what our viewers have to say in response to our correspondants and our other fellow staff members. Our contact link at our website is there for arbritary reasons.”
Typical.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pmThank you, Zooey. That wa svery helpful. Those kinds of details have been lost in any of the media reporting on this non-story. I loved it when Roland Martin asked Lou Dobbs, “Is this keeping you up at night?”
July 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pmWilly says:
It’s funny how Lou Dobbs claims to be an “independent”. Everything about him smells like a mean-spirited Republican.
If it smells like a rose and feels like a rose, then it is a ROSE.
But to every rose, there are thorns. Each thorn identifies a conspriacy therorist birther bent on destroying a black man through their deceptions. Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and the like are those thorns.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:19 pmWayne, when we are born the doctor at the hospital will sign our original birth certificate certifying that a birth took place. That copy then goes to the state where it is kept for all of eternity. When you or we want to get our original birth certificate, we are only able to get A COPY OF IT. Some birth certificates will have on the top: “Certification of Live Birth” or it will read, “Certificate of Live Birth”. Both mean the same thing. Though it’s not the original birth certificate (humans can’t be trusted with it! We’d lose it or do something stupid with it!), it’s a certified copy of it. The right wingers are parsing this issue by saying ‘because Obama’s birth certificate has Certification of Live Birth on the top of it, it means it’s invalid’. IT’s absolute bullcrap on their part. I am willing to bet that none of these as-wipes have ever requested a copy of their own birth certificate to verify it against Obama’s!
July 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pmYou guys aren’t going to believe this, but the birthers are even getting air time here in Australia. Last Sunday on one of
the network morning shows ( can’t remember if it was Murdoch’s), they interviewed that minister that prays for Obama’s death. (Drake ?) Anyway, first thing he does is go on a rant about Obama being born in Kenya, saying the Hawaiian
birth certifigate is meaningless. The show’s hosts pretty much let him have free reign. I couldn’t believe my eyes. How
sad is THAT ?
If ít’s any comfort, he came off looking pretty insane.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pmCNN = FOX NEWS LITE
July 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pmLest we forget Lou Dobbs’ other little mishaps with the truth, a few years back Mr. Dobbs falsely reported that the U.S. had had 7,000 new cases of leprosy in the prior three years. The actual facts were that the U.S. had seen 7,000 cases of leprosy in the past thirty years. If I recall correctly, this was part of this case for why the borders needed to be closed, so apparently Mr. Dobbs believed that those darned Mexicans were brining leprosy to the U.S.
Last fall, Uncle Lou spoke at the Values Voters Summit and famously bought a box of “Obama Waffles”, saying that his wife would love them.
It seems clear that Dobbs’ racism isn’t anything new. The question is, will CNN turn a blind eye to Dobbs’ conversion to Birthism?
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pmAnyway, first thing he does is go on a rant about Obama being born in Kenya, saying the Hawaiian
birth certifigate is meaningless.
Meaningless to him because it is a state document proving the birth of a black man. To him, birth certificates are meanless unless it belongs to a white skinned person.
Typical racist punks.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pmA birther:
One who accuses a black president of not being a US citizen although his/her birth certificate prove otherwise.
One who detests seeing a black person as president thus giving them an open window to lie about said president.
One who disguises “niqqer” with the words, “muslim”, “terrorist” and “Kenyan” because they can’t admit they are racist.
One who believes the world is flat.
One who believes the planet is 6000 years old.
One who has no problem with seeing a black President get assassinated.
One who will assassinate a black President.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:47 pmEveryone loves a freakshow, just ask p.t. barnum. that’s all this whole “birther” movement is: one big giant freakshow headed by one giant bleach blonde freak-orly tainz.
July 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pmI suppose in a country that went to war in Iraq with no, none, not a speck of evidence that Iraq was a threat to anyone, let alone the USA, well I guess its easy for them to believe Obama is an illegal alien with no evidence at all.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pmKayInMaine says: “I am willing to bet that none of these as-wipes have ever requested a copy of their own birth certificate to verify it…”
…and if they did, it’s obvious what they used it for.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pmCome on Lou! Cough up your undocumented illegal alien wife’s original birth certificate from the state to prove she’s an American citizen who is a legal citizen!
July 26th, 2009 at 8:26 pmLOL Noseeum. How much you want to bet that none of them could even read their birth certificate, let alone, know how to request a copy of it at this point?
July 26th, 2009 at 8:31 pmzooey, Wayne, et al,
I was born in Texas, something I can never escape (shudder) and I have two birth certificates. One is a document from the hospital where I was born, which has time of birth, parent’s names, my footprints! inked on the back, etc. That’s my actual primary birth certificate, but it isn’t my legal birth certificate. My legal birth certificate, which employers, etc, want to see, is the “Record of Birth” or “Record of Live Birth”, which is issued (in Texas) by the county in which I was born, which is maintained in that county’s records and is logged in the state’s bureau of vital statistics. Whew!
Isn’t that the way this works in most states, at present? Wherever someone is born, be that in a clinic, at home or in hospital, the attending physician or midwife or whoever generates a document and logs the birth with a state or county agency that handles vital and mortality statistics.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pmKayInMaine says: “…let alone, know how to request a copy of it at this point?”
I’m sure many of them wouldn’t want to go anywhere near the courthouse even if they did know…
And what would be the point?
July 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pmEveryone at the courthouse knows all about them anyways.
For the likes of Orly Taitz, Phillip Berg and Allen Keyes, this whole birther thing is a huge cash cow. The last thing these clowns would ever want, is a court to actually hear one of the cases, instead of just outright dismissing the suits.
As long as no court will waste the courts time by hearing any of these BS cases, Orly and her ilk can keep raking in the cash, from the idiots who buy into their crap.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:44 pmVirtual Pebble says: “One is a document from the hospital where I was born, which has time of birth, parent’s names, my footprints!”
I remember that! It was something kicking about the house, my folks would show it to me…
However I also remember them telling me it wasn’t the real one…
This was only the beginning of the things they told me that weren’t real…
………….thanks for the pebble into my memory pond!
July 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pmVirtual Pebble says:
zooey, Wayne, et al,
Isn’t that the way this works in most states, at present? Wherever someone is born, be that in a clinic, at home or in hospital, the attending physician or midwife or whoever generates a document and logs the birth with a state or county agency that handles vital and mortality statistics.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Yes, every state has a Bureau of Vital Statistics (I’m sure they don’t all call it the same thing, that would be too convenient), and the hospital or clinic is required to fill out a birth certificate for every birth, the original of which is kept FOREVER by Vital Stats. No one ever has their original birth certificate.
July 26th, 2009 at 8:50 pmThe certificate from the hospital with the footprints on it is just a nice keepsake for the parents.
Do they still do those now?
July 26th, 2009 at 8:52 pmI’ve hunted for sasquatch, been abducted by aliens three times, and I bring my boys in the white van coffee every morning. But I gotta tell ya, these birthers are crazy. ;-)
July 26th, 2009 at 8:57 pmZooey says:
“The certificate from the hospital with the footprints on it is just a nice keepsake for the parents.”
That ends up kicking around the house till the kids get kicked out…
;)
“Do they still do those now?”
Nowadays a copy of those footprints goes immediately to the Department of Militant Insecurity
July 26th, 2009 at 8:58 pmYep, they still do that Zooey! And they also give out cute little Onesies with the hospital name on it (they did when my son was born 15 years ago) too!
Virtual Pebble, each state may use different words on the top of a birth certificate, but one thing is for sure, what you receive when you request your birth certificate….is a copy of it. No one can touch the original birth certificate except for the person who is making a copy of it for you. Also, I don’t think the color of the birth certificate paper is universal either. Each state uses a different colored paper.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pmjimbo92107 says:
“I’ve hunted for sasquatch, been abducted by aliens three times, and I bring my boys in the white van coffee every morning.”
It took them three tries to train you to do that?
July 26th, 2009 at 9:03 pm‘Course, if you pay for the coffee too, then it was worth the extra effort.
This is what an Idaho birth certificate looks like.
At the bottom, where it says “date issued,” is the clerk’s certification and seal.
I don’t know who this person is, I found it with the Google.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm:-)
…and I don’t spend any time hunting for sasquatch,
July 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pmalthough I do keep my eye out…..
This is a “long form” birth certificate.
This is what mine looks like, except it’s from California, and the paper is white.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pmKayInMaine says:
Yep, they still do that Zooey! And they also give out cute little Onesies with the hospital name on it (they did when my son was born 15 years ago) too!
July 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I never got a certificate with the footprints with either of my men, but I got a hat with one, and a tee shirt with the other. I can’t believe they were ever that small!
July 26th, 2009 at 9:09 pmZooey says: “I don’t know who this person is, I found it with the Google.
:-)”
We can only guess. Simply imagining, from the names, what the parents created.
I see leprechauns in cowboy hats.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:12 pm;)
Heh. It’s nice to read your wisdom again, noseeum. :)
July 26th, 2009 at 9:13 pmZooey says: “…I got a hat with one, and a tee shirt with the other. I can’t believe they were ever that small!”
Did they shrink?
July 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pmwoof!
July 26th, 2009 at 9:17 pmI know! Just a bunch of little peanuts they all were. ;-) I also got a crap load of Johnson & Johnson products too. Not only did I have to lug the baby out of the hospital, but I had to have someone back the car up to the front door to bring home the rest of the stuff! LOL
July 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pmWow! we went all the way to #140 in the thread before a stupid troll showed up.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pmMy son’s birth certificate:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/birthcertificate-001.jpg
July 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm…thank you, watchdog, for my first minus comment!
I’m a real TP’er now!
PS, TP gave you that power, just to keep you coming back….
Not that you contribute much, other than to drive by and toss your soggy news rag at the screen door…
July 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pmNow wait just a damn minute! What is all this talk about birth certificates?
My parents presented me with the empty seed packet. It said “Burpee – Surehead Cabbage” and they told me they planted the seeds in the garden and found me under a cabbage leaf one day.
I guess this proves I’m a natural grown citizen. Unless someone here is trying to tell me that this is not how it happened…
Geez you people are skeptics! Next thing you’ll be saying is there is no Tooth Fairy. Or Easter Bunny. What?!? Santa’s on your hit list, too?
I’m outta here.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 9:32 pmI don’t have a birth certificate. I was born of a lotus blossom resting on a perfectly clear, deep and still mountain lake…
July 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pmSpenser’s Mum says: “My parents presented me with the empty seed packet. It said “Burpee – Surehead Cabbage” and they told me they planted the seeds in the garden and found me under a cabbage leaf one day.”
It must have been nice, being raised by people with a sense of humor…
:)
From the sound of things, it was an exceptionally good crop.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm;)
Oh, that’s sweet, noseeum. Now why do I suddenly have a craving for corned beef?
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmThank you for that visual, Mr. Cobb.
My real birth certificate I finally found on the bark of a birch tree.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pmSpenser’s Mum says: “Now why do I suddenly have a craving for corned beef?”
Were there any potatoes a row or two over?
July 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pmAnd from the thread below, I like that my president is confident for real reason. We wouldn’t want a president with an ego deficit to make up for like Bush.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmI am here due to my mother’s latex allergy, but that is no matter…
Let’s say Bobby Jindal were to get the GOP nomination. The first Dem to step up and ask for Jindal’s birth certificate will be labeled a racist, a loony radical, a disgrace to America, a vile stain on a nation proud of it’s metling pot status, and a tool of the media.
These accusations will most likely come from the racist, loony, radical, agenda-driven media stains on America. You know, like Lou Dobbs…
July 26th, 2009 at 9:47 pmOh ModSquad, Jindal has a valid U.S. birth certificate. He was an anchor baby! Mrs. Jindal (let’s assume she was married) arrive on our shores pregnant with Piyush.
Of course, who knows if she was a legal immigrant, but since he turned out to be a Christianista and GNOPer, I’m sure it won’t be an issue.
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pm114 Mathazar said:
Mathazar,
I don’t believe it, or at least I would like to see it for myself. Please see if you can find any kind of link to this propaganda being played down under. It would mean the fascist theocracy is spreading to multiple western nations simultaneously.
Wingnuts like to throw around words like “global socialism”. If what Mathazar said is true, then perhaps what we are witnessing is the emergence of a global fascist theocracy.
And we thought the Nazi’s were hard to defeat…..
July 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pmThere’s at least two cowardly trools lurking about….
July 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pmGuess I’m the only one here who was born before the flood and those fancy birth certificate thingies.
July 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pmSpenser’s Mum, what have you done with Spencer’s Mom? And do you have a birth certificate for either Spenser or Spencer?
July 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm“There’s at least two cowardly trools lurking about….”
Actually, it seems there is a cyber-glitch causing all the positives to appear next to the negatives…
July 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pmSomeone call TP.
Sorry, ModSquad, I need to change it back. I was being silly this morning in response to a post about why I didn’t have an apostrophe in my moniker, so I went British for the day. Hence, Spenser (the poet) and Mum.
And, yes, I do have a birth certificate for Spencer, but it’s complicated, like so many things in life…
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pmWho is “Mathazar”?
July 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pm“Actually, it seems there is a cyber-glitch causing all the positives to appear next to the negatives…
Someone call TP.”
Sorry folks, I get it now.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pmI’ve been out in the woods awhile….
…at least we got the dog to quit barking.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:06 pmhuh, the new feature won’t let me vote myself down.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:09 pmHow nice.
noseeum, is this the first you’ve been back since we got the vote? So many trolls, so many tubes on the internets.
There is a “10 strikes” rule and you’re out! Well, not really out, but the post collapses. And it’s a net 10, not simply 10 vote downs.
But it so much nicer here, especially on weekends when the TPers get some much-needed time off.
Now, if we could just work on that “banning by IP” problem…
PEACE
July 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pmnoseeum, I only have an 8th grade education but I know to observe for awhile to figure things out. And “italic” is from what someone else wrote.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pmSpencer’s mom says:
“noseeum, is this the first you’ve been back since we got the vote? So many trolls, so many tubes on the internets.
PEACE”
Thanks for bringing me up to speed…
July 26th, 2009 at 10:25 pmYes, I’ve been in literal wilderness, the Aldo Leopold, in New Mexico.
No cell phone, no internet, land lines only in dry weather….
Mr. Cobb says:
“And “italic” is from what someone else wrote.”
Oh. I’ve always used it as a literary device.
I use quotation marks to denote a quote.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:28 pmI’m late here as ever, it’s a farm in high summer. I thought maybe I could add something to the birth certificate discussion. I have a copy of my original of what I guess someone would term “the long form”. It’s odd in that it’s a 50’s copy, the background is black, the writing is white. It contains a lot of extraneous facts, such as the number of pregnancies, live births, and still births my mother had before me. Oddly enough this document got me a security clearance in the 70’s. Since then, I’ve adopted a child from a foreign country and had to submit certified documents to the State Dept. and the country where I adopted. The certified BC looks nothing like the copy I have of the original. It contains only the basic info, yet Virginia was satisfied to certify it by hanging a giant gold foil seal from it with blue ribbon (it looks pretty impressive) and Madelaine Albright affixed her signature to it to certify it’s authenticity to foreign governments. If our prez requests his BC from Hawaii, he will get what I got, an official confirmation of a paper record that was computerized long ago. These “birthers” are as wacky as those guys who think the fringe on the flag in a courtroom has something to do with the type of law administered there.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pmWhen the facts no longer support the ideology, count on the extremists to invent a fiction to sustain their crippled ideology. Count on them to steamroll it into the media, under the perverse belief that a lie repeated a hundred times is the equivalent of a truth stated once. Dobb’s hatred and extremism are now impossible to ignore. It is those who swallow the oft-repeated lie who are “weak-minded” and “lily-livered”
July 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pmOT
Bill Cunningham is live on AM radio and once again bashing Obama and milking the race prof Gates incident to it’s fullest. Also, a bunch of lies are being put out there such as blacks are arrested more often because blacks commit more crimes and most blacks think AIDS was created to kill off their race.
Are the righties trying to stir up white against black the same way Rush tried to start a riot at the dem convention? Appears that way.
Not one word EVER is mentioned of a solutions to fix the mess Bush left.
July 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pmhad enough: I think the righties are trying to use the Gates incident to appeal to a lot of poorly educated, out of work white folk who want to believe that the black man is keeping them down.
July 26th, 2009 at 11:20 pmnoseeum, we don’t need “literary” devices here. It’s strickly about information and information shared with others on our data laptops
July 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pmSorry to get here late: Back in #83
One of my favorite things is trying to imagine the
July 27th, 2009 at 12:00 amextremist right-wing “Christians” meeting Jesus of
33 a.d.: They would immediately run from Him and
probably grab their guns! Why? Because He didn’t
come back as a well-to-do white man driving a BMW!
His calling for decent health care for ALL the people
obviously brands Him as a no-good, left-leaning
LIBERAL! I mean, what is the world coming to?
Mr. Cobb says:
noseeum, we don’t need “literary” devices here. It’s strickly about information and information shared with others on our data laptops
July 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
I’m always happy to see noseeum and his literary devices. :)
July 27th, 2009 at 12:31 ammarlow says:
When the facts no longer support the ideology, count on the extremists to invent a fiction to sustain their crippled ideology.
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You mean like…
“Obama’s not eligible to be POTUS because he was born in Kenya!”
Or, “Obama wants to destroy capitalism and take away all our freedumbs!”
Or, “Obama wants to force good, God-fearing Xians to perform abortions and pay for them w/ YOUR tax dollars!”
Are you referring to those sorts of desperate fictions, Marwick?
(It sure sounds like it, Li’l Feller…)
July 27th, 2009 at 12:35 amThere are two types of birth certificates that are issued in some areas. The first is the long form that has all the personal information filled out by the doctor and filed with the government agency. The long form contains the parents name and address, doctor’s name, hospital, address, time of birth and other statistical data such as other births and siblings. These are not ordinarily issued unless requested but you have to show ID. This is due to ID fraud. This form can be certified for legal purposes.
The second is a short form which shows your name, date of birth and location. This is a substitute for the long form and is valid for passports, etc. This form is also certified with the seal of the agency.
Either is acceptable from a legal standpoint so long as it is certified.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:41 amEVERYONE is missing the point of media in situations like this. Contrary to common sense, giving light to the birther story actually DEFUSES it as a relevant issue. Heres how:
1) Active birthers take it easy thinking CNN is going to do this story diligently.
2) More people (republicans) are forced to publicly say obama is American.
3) His Birth records get more exposure.
4) The remaining birthers look more crazy everyday.
5) Obama avoid any REAL scrutiny, ya know, something that might actually matter.
The media always did this for bush, they get all involved in something meaningless while 9/11 investigations get classified, wars get started based on nothing, the government spies on us, but all the media reports on is terry schivo.
6) Any birther that actually takes this seriously is doing america a disservice by avoiding their duty to keep the government in check. MSM works FOR the government by sending real journalists on wild goose chases.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:51 amOne man’s temerity is another man’s terminal dumb ass.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:17 amThis phone number will get you a real person at CNN who will allegedly take a message and send it to the proper person:
(404) 827-1500
July 27th, 2009 at 1:20 amI’m always happy to see noseeum and his literary devices. :)
He needs to clean up his act. It’s not play and games. This is some serious shit.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:35 amMr. Cobb says:
He needs to clean up his act. It’s not play and games. This is some serious shit.
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It’s a blog. Lighten up. noseeum was here long before you and will most likely be here long after you’re gone.
You’re gonna just HATE IT when we hijack a thread and have a party…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:52 amOK, you laugh. Laugh about it, thinking it’s funny. Go ahead.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:56 amha ha ha hee hee ho ho yuck yuck snort snort snort hardee har har
July 27th, 2009 at 2:35 amheh
July 27th, 2009 at 4:55 amI demand to see George W. Bush’s birth certificate!!!
/snark
Is this really the level we have come to face?
Ridiculous.
Lou Dobbs is an idiot.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:05 amYou think that’s crazy?
Some Americans honest-to-God believe we reelected The Worst President Ever™–by a wide margin!
I’m not kidding. :O
Video: Mr. Logan vanishes into a Hole in History
July 27th, 2009 at 6:11 amPerry, want to hear something even crazier? Some Americans believe that Bush was legitimately elected in the first place! That there was no vote fraud! That the decision by SCOTUS to stop the Florida recount was the right thing to do! That Katherine Harris did the right thing, or at least acted in good faith, when she purged all those registered voters! That SCOTUS actually had the authority to determine the outcome of a United States presidential election!
That’s right, some people actually believe that Al Gore lost in 2000!
PEACE
July 27th, 2009 at 6:26 amHi, Perry Logan. How’s the weather in Austin?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:54 amOT. I realized something. When Bush was Pres, the MSM wasn’t as focused on his scandals as much as they were focused on celebrity news. Remember the coverage of Paris Hilton? Lindsay Lohan? Britney Spears? From 2004 and on, we were bombarded with tabloid trash wrapped around news (Besides the death of Micheal Jackson.) Now we are subjected to the Gates ‘controversy.’ And what happened about ‘C-Street’? Ensign? And Sanford? If the Dems had a Frat House were they could act like a bunch of drunken neanderthals, wouldn’t MSM be covering every inch of it?
July 27th, 2009 at 7:40 amI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Obama birthers, next to moon landing hoaxers and Young Earth Creationists, are the dumbest morons on the planet.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:42 amP.D., you’re forgetting that it was unpatriotic to criticize the president during a time of war. Before January 20, 2009, that is.
PEACE
July 27th, 2009 at 8:00 amDid anyone see or hear Palin’s speech? Thank God McCain lost! It’s always about ‘ME’ with Palin isn’t it? What a meglomaniac! Her speech was a rambling, incoherant mess. If Joe Biden made a speech like that, the MSM would be laughing their asses off. But Palin? I have been watching MSM tip-toe around the obviouos. The woman is a train-wreck, pure and simple.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 amThis is strictly an electronic medium story, not a “media” story. Most newspapers, even conservative USAToday, are not dealing with the story because newspapers deal in facts, statements of public officials and documents, and the statements of Hawaiian officials and documents that prove Obama was born in Honolulu are there for any idiot to view. I know. I’ve read the statements from the state of Hawaii officials and I’ve read the birth certificate online, as well as the statements of the truth Web site monitors who flew to Chicago to view the hard copy. Since then, other television outlets have shown the birth announcement from the Honolulu newspaper. I suppose John McCain’s campaign did not touch the issue because 1.) they too found Obama’s American birth a proven fact and 2.) McCain would have to answer for the fact of his own birth, which was NOT in any of the 50 United States. For Lou Dobbs to continue to stoke the right-wing birther fires in the face of all this documentation is really irresponsible. He ought to be fired. He is no journalist.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:16 amPennsylvaianne196, People did call for him to get fired. Also, Remember the Bill O’Lielly controversy with that SOB who said I would be better if the Taliban killed that poor soldier because he was a deserter? Well the Pentagon was furious and called for O’Lielly’s dismissal. But when older white men watch these guys (like my father) and keep their ratings up, you can kiss decentcy good-bye.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:27 amI usually reserve italics for denoting scientific names…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:09 amPennsylvanianne says:
This is strictly an electronic medium story, not a “media” story. Most newspapers, even conservative USAToday, are not dealing with the story because newspapers deal in facts,
July 27th, 2009 at 8:16 am
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Unfortunately, fact isn’t very profitable.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:25 amI have two birth certificates, considering that the first was from the Naval Hospital in Pearl Harbor, and was issued before Hawaii was a state. My mother was in the Navy and my father was from Guam. My certificate is no different than Obama’s, except it is a ‘photostatic’ copy–white lettering on a black background, and was issued by the authority granted to the Territory of Hawaii. Technically, I could be considered foreign born–but by virtue of my mother’s nationality, I am an American citizen. Both the USN and the Federal Government accepted my birth certificate as valid.
I’m retired from the Federal Gummint now–what a madhouse that was.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:08 pmFox News may be Paranoid Schizophrenic,
July 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pmbut CNN has Multiple Personality Disorder!
To mealy-mouthed ninnie Lou Dobbs:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pmYou have diminished the credibility of yourself and your program you hold so dear, by continuing this charade of the so-called “birther” movement. You perpetuate the idea that, you, a man who is supposed to be highly educated and knowledgeable of of issues pertaining to the economy, is nothing less than a misinformed bigot, who should be dispelling rumors and lies, of this type rather than adding fuel to the already simmering flame. But, no! Your insatiable appetite for crazed sensationalism has taken control of your mind. You are a disappointment and a shame for CNN.
Your truly, Those you refer to as “limp-minded, lily-livered lefties”
Just have to say….
Lou Dobbs has joined the ranks of the Limbaughs’ and the Palins’ and The “Cheney Family” whack jobs.
What adds fuel to these idiots …. well surprise, surprise… the media. Notice I didn’t say journalists, where they are no one knows. Anyway as I watch “the media” shows they all cover what the right wing whack jobs say with special guests and have (an attempt) at a legitimate conversation, as if the Limbaughs’, Palins’ and Cheneys were legitimate. How can you have a story trying to sound intelligent about stupid, nonsensical ravings. That stupid, yes I do mean stupid Liz Cheney out there trying to act like she has a brain or any thing of relevance to say. She is like her lying scummy father, who I believe to be and has been, a greater danger to this nation than 10 Bin Ladens ever hoped to be. He and the court jester president that was … are responsible for 8 years of horror. And the gall of that Cheney to ask for extended security !? Is he kidding? Now that is a colossal ego!
I know we have to mention the stories, yea Palin is resigning who gives a damn !
Liz Cheney and her crap given air time as if it is really serious or legitimate… with all the crap and corruption going on the media guys can’t come up with anything else to cover a news day !!!!
Just run these idiot stories and collect your six figure salaries and you will eventually be as irrelevant as the republican party. By the way they on only relevant on those shows. I guess like these ridiculous “reality shows” the media plays the dumbest out there.
But I will say one of the better, intelligent, ‘getting the info out’ style is the Rachel Maddow show. So would Count Down, if he just stopped making full stories out the radical right wing whackos!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pmHow Lou Dobbs still works at CNN is beyond me. The facts are out there. People are ignoring them because of reasons other than the question of the birth certificates validity.
http://www.loudobbsisanidiot.com
July 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm