Jon Stewart Gets Kristol To Concede Government Can Provide ‘First-Class Health Care’
Jon Stewart Gets Kristol To Concede Government Can Provide ‘First-Class Health Care’
Last night on The Daily Show, host Jon Stewart peppered right-wing pundit Bill Kristol with questions about why he is opposed to health care reform that includes a public health insurance option. Why is government-run health care “good enough for the military,” but “not good enough for the people of America?” Stewart asked.
Kristol — who has urged conservative activists and Republicans to “resist the temptation” to work with Democrats in crafting health reform and instead “go for the kill” — responded that the military “deserves it,” but the American people do not:
STEWART: Are you saying the American public shouldn’t have access to the same quality health care that we give to our better citizens?
KRISTOL: To our soldiers? Absolutely. [Crowd boos]
Kristol explained that soldiers get paid less, but “one way we make it up to” them is by giving them “first-class health care.” “I feel like you’ve trapped me somehow,” Kristol observed. Indeed, Stewart explained the flaw in Kristol’s logic:
STEWART: I just want to get this on record — Bill Kristol just said that the government can run a first-class health care system.
KRISTOL: Sure it can. [Crowd applauds]
STEWART: And a government-run system is better than a private health care system.
Kristol tried to backtrack, saying he wasn’t sure the military system is “better,” and later argued that other government-run systems aren’t providing the best health care.
Stewart wrapped up Kristol’s argument by stating, “So what you are suggesting is that the government could run the best health care system for Americans, but it’s a little too costly, so we should have the shitty insurance company health care.” Watch it:
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Bill Kristol has yet to be correct on anything he has said. Jon Stewart may have just caused Kristol’s record to change.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:56 amZing!! I watched this and almost fell off the couch laughing…THIS is why Stewart deserves the Cronkite mantle of most trusted newsman in America. It was a joy to see the unctious bloviator Kristol get hoist on his own petard! Right on, Jon!!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 amKristol thinks everybody not in the military can afford to pay $12k a year for health insurance. The pundits are obviously so out of touch with reality that they are harmful to society. They’re almost as dangerous as the politicians who get government funded insurance while raking in money from the lobbyists to screw us all.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:58 amGot to like John he gets cuts the BS and gets to the point and makes you laugh at the same time. as you see how completely off bubble Bill can be.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:58 amLogic and facts do not correlate in the wackdom world.
Im sure kristol will be on foxnoise to deny that he said it.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:00 amas if there ever was any doubt that billy kristol is a twit and an intellectually weak one at that
July 28th, 2009 at 10:01 amThis is what happens when you have a journalist (even a fake one!) who does his homework and comes to the interview prepared.
Unfortunately, we have very few people in the media who actually do prep work anymore, except to memorize the talking points of their masters. Because of this, the Kristols of the world have become accustomed to saying anything they want that will further their agenda, knowing it will be mindlessly absorbed instead of challenged.
Kudos to Kristol for having the guts to face Jon, though. Too many of his fellow wingnuts aren’t that brave.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:01 amWe pay for both plans!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:02 amShitty for us, best for them
No one mentions that
Kristol explained that soldiers get paid less, but “one way we make it up to” them is by giving them “first-class health care.”
wonder if he means like the way we place them in Walter Reid and how funding for the VA was cut.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:02 amWho the Hell died and made Bill Kristol the “expert” on everything.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:03 amAs I said to my friend: It must be terribly hard coming from a Fox News panel where everyone agrees on what the ‘fair and balanced’ position is to actually be challenged to think.
I feel bad for the poor fella. He looks like a baby bird whose momma died before he learned how to fend for himself.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:03 amThat hippie, pinko, commie, liberal, american-hater John Stewart must have black-mailed honest Bill Kristol into lying somehow! Right, wingnuts?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:04 amJust goes to show you how really stupid Kristol is; going on Stewart’s show and trying to match wits with him…game, set, and match!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 amKristol must enjoy getting his ass handed to him.
After all, he’s made a career out of it. And it’s the only thing that explains why he keeps going on The Daily Show.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:05 amSad commentary that the most trusted newscaster is Jon Stewart, a comedian playing a newscaster on a comedy show. He is the only “newscaster” that will ask the hard questions.
Of 9,000 people surveyed, 44% said Jon Stewart “was the best source for trustworthy news.
http://www.timepolls.com/hppolls/archive/poll_results_417.html
July 28th, 2009 at 10:06 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Jon Stewart is doing what the mainstream media refuse to do. He directly challenges the baloney of all these right-wing flunkies, who claim expertise on any topic whatsoever.
Kristol is a lackey for the corporations, whether defense, healthcare, pharma or whatever. He is not a thinker.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 amSuch a sad state of affairs that Jon Stewart is the best interviewer our generation has. He’s not a journalist, yet not one other journalist can take it to the forces of stupidity quite like he does.
We should all be thankful for him.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:09 amThat’s an intriguing poll, Wayne. As others have pointed out, it’s hardly scientific, but what’s interesting is the state-by-state results. Jon Stewart got 52% of the vote in Idaho. And 59% in Utah.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:09 amI agree, Wayne, that it is “sad commentary” on the status of other newscasters. Credit goes to Jon Stewart for being as prepared, interested and interesting as he is.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amblclem says:
Your cut and paste crap is gonna get voted off the island, troll.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:10 amStewart also Destroyed Sarah Palin last. There was almost nothing left for Colbert, but he found some and Destroyed her again. Classic, hilarious…
And blclem, your cut-and-paste concern troll piece from is long on GOP talking points, but short on verifiable facts.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:11 amblclem’s post is total garbage. It;s a viral e-mail that the righties are pushing around trying to stoke fear in all of us over health care.
blclem = someone who believes We The People cannot govern ourselves and take care of the least among us.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:11 amblclem – a quick look at snopes.com will debunk that e-mail for you.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:11 amblclem says:
I am wondering if this is true or false.
False.
Next
July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 amThanks for that laundry list of mild horror stories about Canada’s health care system, blclem.
Wanna compare insurance industry horror stories? After all, if that’s gonna be our yardstick for evaluating the relative merits of the two models, we should consider both of them from the same perspective, right?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 amRalph @ 26: Amen, bruvvah..
July 28th, 2009 at 10:14 amLIAR!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:14 amArt says:
blclem – a quick look at snopes.com will debunk that e-mail for you.
I suspect the troll is not interested in facts.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:16 amGood call, Art. If I may piggyback on your suggestion and offer blclem the link to the article you reference:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp
July 28th, 2009 at 10:16 amIt’s like the kid in junior high who claimed he had a really hot girlfriend in Canada, that’s why you never met her. Both stories are equally true.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:16 amWho is Shirley’s cousin?
Lack of specifics point to it being a fraud!!!
Also, which government plan are they talking about. There is more than one in Canada. A lot of wingnuts don’t realize that.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:18 amI watched last nights episode of The Daily Show this morning over coffee. (Love my DVR!) Anyway, the whole show was just hilarious. First, Jon & Co. covered Sarah Palin’s goodbye speech. Second, he then interviewed Bill Kristol, which put the cherry on the sundae.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 amArt, Shirley’s cousin is married to that from Winnipeg who got his hand caught in the thing. She’s a Pisces, and she loves roller skating and pickled herring.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 amblclem says:
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I am wondering if this is true or false.
This was sent from RNC Headquarters/the Insurance Companies to me.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 am
There , I fixed it for you ………And consider the source
July 28th, 2009 at 10:21 amHealth care opponents are sending these anecdotal emails as part of their attempt to derail our health care reform.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:24 amThese are fabricated and then sent out by the tens of thousands to email lists everywhere.
I just had one sent to me from a rightwinger in Indiana the other day – I first ignored it, then I replied and told him that my opinion is 180 degrees in opposition to his, and backed up my view with facts.
I would posit that the problem with the Canadian healthcare system is Shirley. It appears that everyone who comes in contact with her either gets sick, critically injured or dies.
Canadians, if you meet Shirley, steer clear. She’s a danger to your health, and is causing massive cost overruns in your government system.
PEACE
July 28th, 2009 at 10:26 amOops, I didn’t realize I was OT @37 – I had just read the post about a Canadian’s “testimony.”
I saw Stewart skewer Kristol last night. No wonder the Daily Show is given higher ratings than network news.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:26 aman open question for bclem:
if you are an american citizen without health care insurance, what are your chances of getting a heart operation if you can’t pay?
what about cancer treatment?
a good friend of mine who worked all his life, paid his taxes was diagnosed with lung cancer this year a week after his 46th birthday. he was employed by one of the casinos here in connecticut and had to take a medical leave of absence. this week his insurance through his former employer ran out. how is he going to pay for his chemo treatments since he hasn’t been able to work since april? how is yhe going to get coverage with a pre-existing condition like lung cancer?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:28 amAh, nothing like some top-notch morning snark from Spencer’s mom. Two thumbs up.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:32 amBozo, the guy has a house, doesn’t he? He can sell that. Sure, he’ll be living on the street, but at least he’ll be living, right? And then when that money runs out, well, he’s got two kidneys, only needs one… you see where I’m going with this…
July 28th, 2009 at 10:34 amWell, Ralph, surely this Shirley is a menace! She must be stopped or the entire Canadian healthcare system will collapse!
*and don’t call me Shirley!*
PEACE
July 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am(Actually, if can amend my post at # 14, I’d like to suggest that Kristol’s frequent appearances on TDS are more likely explained by the warm fuzzy feeling he gets when the cool kids let him hang around them, as long as he lets them give him noogies whenever they feel like it.)
July 28th, 2009 at 10:37 amThank you Spencers Mom
July 28th, 2009 at 10:38 amEach day you make me joyful
That was a good one!
I think this week’s Tom Tomorrow is pertinent to this thread — I just wish I could give IT a thumbs up.
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/07/28/tomo/index.html
July 28th, 2009 at 10:39 amthanks for the advice, ralph@42,
July 28th, 2009 at 10:39 amby the way, the ghosts of christmases pasts and future are looking for you :p
Bozo The Neoclown, it takes two years to qualify for disability doesn’t it? The insurance company doesn’t have to pay for him so they win and the taxpayer won’t ever have to pay him back for all the money he paid in because he won’t last that long. So for Republicans it’s a win/win proposition.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:40 amTouché, Bozo.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:41 amI’ve seen Jon rip asses on both sides of issues. What he does is masterful (and honest). Guests must explain and qualify their remarks. We need him on main stream (LIBERAL) news. Of course a lot of other journalists have the same and maybe more talent but are not allowed to show it. Good job buddy!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:42 amCheeseflap, I am truly honored to be a subject of one of your brilliant haiku! We love you here at TP!
PEACE
July 28th, 2009 at 10:42 amshayne,
July 28th, 2009 at 10:44 amhe’s applied for disability but apparently, answering the questions honestly gets you nowhere so, he and his case worker have to start the entire process again. i’ve been so angry and upset about this i could just spit.
Feeling mutual
July 28th, 2009 at 10:44 amPeaceful hugs around the world
Warm and fuzzy day
by the way,
July 28th, 2009 at 10:46 amcourtesy of the stephani miller show:
citizensforapublicoption.com
Bozo, I hope my snark was not inappropriate. I’m sorry for your friend’s condition. Most of us are just a couple of bad breaks from the same predicament.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:49 amnah ralph,
July 28th, 2009 at 10:54 amyou nailed the pathetic irony of the situtation squarely on the head.
Apparently neither of them is familiar with military medical system. The system is all we can do in the field-because being at war is dangerous physically.(It is a necessary evil.) At home we have to wait in line for hours for everything: When when I enlisted years ago they promised free medical care for life- then changed the deal. Tri-care is expensive,slow,and often unresponsive. I hope other with a military background will tell their story here. The staff are often good people but limited by the bureaucracy. Only the foolish or ignorant would want to make it a model to follow.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:56 amralph the wonder llama says:
(Actually, if can amend my post at # 14, I’d like to suggest that Kristol’s frequent appearances on TDS are more likely explained by the warm fuzzy feeling he gets when the cool kids let him hang around them, as long as he lets them give him noogies whenever they feel like it.)
Just frickin hilarious. You’re not doing so bad yourself, Ralph…Snark on!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:58 amcornetjim says:
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July 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Because our current system is such a model of efficiency ?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:58 amblclem says:
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Actually, bclem’s entire “Canadian warning” has already been dissected at Snopes, and it’s BS. It’s also several years old.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp
July 28th, 2009 at 11:01 ami watched this… utterly amazing…
Thank you, Jon Stewart.
.
and, following that, Stephen Colbert showed us all how
sara mcQUITTER writes her speeches:
by drawing word phrases from a trapper’s hat…
HI-larious…!
July 28th, 2009 at 11:05 amGood work Jon. You are truly the heir to the Kronkite legacy.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:09 amThe episode is priceless. Now the Dems should use it for ads on TV.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:24 ammisscoleopteramolly says:
This is what happens when you have a journalist (even a fake one!) who does his homework and comes to the interview prepared.
Unfortunately, we have very few people in the media who actually do prep work…
it’s even worse than that:
heard about on RANDI RHODES:
Health Care Not Healthy For Ratings
By Liz Cox Barrett
Assorted people in journalism explain to Politico’s Michael Calderone that health care reportage, in addition to being a challenge for reporters, does not hold people’s attention.
http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/health_care_not_healthy_for_ra.php
links to politico story…
July 28th, 2009 at 11:25 amI despise the Kristol Ball, I was ROTFL like a like kid.Jon handed him his A$$ on national TV, I love it!
July 28th, 2009 at 11:26 amYeah, the goverment really does provide “first class healthcare” doesn’t it? Just ask the vets out at Walter Reed a couple of years ago who were denied services, or the systematic problems treating our female vets.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:31 amKristol could have been better prepared given the lousy track record of the way our government has treated veterans. The story has been covered on “60 Minutes.” An embarrassing outing for one of our brighter conservatives who missed a chance to correct Mr. Stewart’s flawed premise.
Stewart, you bastid; running circles around that poor lame turkey. You merciless, uh, um …(lost thought thread)… eh, you shoulda just put him out of his misery. Wrapped him in duct tape and tossed him in the dumpster…
July 28th, 2009 at 11:39 amJon Stewart may be the comedian, but Kristol is the joke.
The dirty secret that the mainstream media refuses to address is quite simple: It’s all about the money. The World Health Organization (not a “loony lefty” group, you conservative toads) compared cost of health care to quality of care for 191 nations. The U.S. spends the most, by far, on private health care and insurance, but we’re 37th in quality! We’re beaten not only by France, Italy, Canada, Japan and the U.K., but less-developed nations like Costa Rica, Morocco and Chile (as examples).
The lesson here? Our private health care cartels (no better way to describe them) are wildly inefficient, and put profits above patients. The doctors are squeezed in the middle from this hand-over-fist profitizing. Stewart’s point was the government has been trusted for years in terms of taking care of our troops (despite what Bush did to cut funding for their care), and they are the best ones to even out our exploding costs when it comes to the basic human need of staying healthy.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:51 amYeah, another example of the time-honored Republican tradition of dismantling government services and then using their failure as evidence that government doesn’t work.
See also: Katrina
July 28th, 2009 at 11:54 amThere’s a qualifying aspect to the quality of government health care.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pmIt can be a first class health care system–unless you elect Republicans.
They’ll move heaven and earth to prove how horrible socialized medicine is.
If (and god I hope we do) get a public system of some sort, it will be a hugely powerful argument against ever voting Republican.
Want Katrina Health Care? Vote Republican!
If you think the govt can run an efficient effective health care program, you have never been involved with the VA hospitals, medicare, or social security. Those programs are fraught with problems which go back decades and are the fault of the politicians in Washington. These people don’t even read the bills they pass, and you want to trust them with our healtch care system?
July 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pmI have never been, nor will I ever be, one of Bill Kristols (or the people who think like him) Soldier’s. I wont comment on the care I receive as a Retiree, but if you want to come see come on out to Fort Lewis, WA. You can talk to some vets yourself, and get a real analysis of how “world-class” our health care is.
RIP
July 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 In (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
“Situation Room” idiot Wolf Blitzer, “no bias no bull” queen Campbell Brown, AC 360, John King, Larry King etc.. are a big joke. They have so much air-time combined but Stewart accomplishes more than these clowns in the 30 minutes time he gets. That’s a fact. As for the criminals on Fox News, less said the better. They are just white supremacist groups posing as media people.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pmDave_M34
If you think the govt can run an efficient effective health care program, you have never been involved with the VA hospitals.
Actually I have involver with the VA the only problems i seen was the fact that the VA is under funded and the people over worked. Causing the hang ups and if i remember right think one of the first things bush did was cut more funding for the VA.
Then send the troops to a fight they had no reason to be in.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pmIn Re: #57 & 72
Y’know, some of the healthcare provided to veterans is fair to good, the prescriptions are cheap, and some major conditions are handled competently yet slowly.
I know a lot of vets who might tell you differently though– I have been to a lot of their funerals.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pmMy dear uncle, a Vietnam Vet, still drives across three states to see his favorite doctor at my local VA Hospital. He still has ALL major medical procedures performed there as well.
He says it’s the most honest, trustworthy place you could ever visit for healthcare.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pmgully foil says: Y’know, some of the healthcare provided to veterans is fair to good, the prescriptions are cheap, and some major conditions are handled competently yet slowly.
Yeah, but that’s just an entry–if we get a single payer of mediocre quality and tweak it and build on it until we get one that works for all, that’s the way to go. Taking the stinkin’ cooperative they’ll offer (which, incidentally, STILL leaves the insurance companies in charge) will definitely put any further healthcare reform on the back burner for another generation.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pmKristol’s a snake, and not a very smart one at that. It was nice to see Jon Stewart handle this lying snake and defang his Bull Shit.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pmYou’ve gotta give it to Kristol, though.
He keeps going on the Daily Show despite getting his ass handed to him. It’s kinda like watching a grown man play fight with his four year old nephew.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:54 pmBclem I suggest you take all your stupid rightwing emails. Print them out, fold them all till they are all corners and depostit them where the sun never shines. They are good for nothing else.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pmNo matter what the quality of care the VA provides, there are thousands of Americans who would love to have that kind of health care at their disposal, as opposed to the no health care coverage they have now.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThese people don’t even read the bills they pass, and you want to trust them with our healtch care system?
Poor little wingnut, trying to conflate republicans’ tactic of introducing legislation in the dead of night, with democrats. It would be funny if not so obvious, and so pathetic.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pmAs others have said: PWNED!
Oh, and 16. blclem: before you make long posts that are copied from internet rumors (and especially if you want to pretent they are yours) you should learn how to check them against the known internet rumors on snopes. You may do a lot better if they aren’t also already posted on freerepublic.
Also, please try to learn to use the google:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pmhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Shirley%27s+dad+cut+his+hand+on+a+power+saw
garroty09 says
The VA health system has been excellent and terrible. It was a horror under Reagan, it got better under Bush the brighter and was pretty good under Clinton then Bush the dimmer cut it to the bone and it was a horror again. That is why some vets laud it to heaven and others trash it. That is a different thing anyway than a public health option or even a single payer system because they actually PROVIDE all the healthcare. A public option isnt going to build hospitals and hire doctors they will just pay for the services. This really isnt that complicated
July 28th, 2009 at 2:39 pm16. blclem, I should have given you the link in Snopes regarding this post:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp
Please learn that you can find all sorts of information on the internet including the lizard man of Bishopville and the skunk-man bear and the true story of what happened to the Aliens in Area 51.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pmralph the wonder llama says:
EXACTLY Ralph. I have said for years one of the wonders of politics is the way the rightwing, due to their lack of shame, benifits from their mistakes. In the same vein liberals suffer from our victories. We pass a clean water act. The right waits ten years then says what a burden it is on business and unnecessary because we have the cleanest rivers in the world.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pmWhat is so stupid about much of the health insurance debate is the notion that health care is provide by either insurance companies or the government with the claim that the insurance companies do a better job of providing that health care. Time out, neither the insurance companies nor government provide health care. They provide payment for health care. The same doctors, nurses and medical staff prove the care then they bill the provider. Many times the same fee schedules are used, making it practically transparent as to who’s name is on the check. The purpose of the public option is to pick up those without insurance, including those turned down by insurance companies for pre-existing conditions. The hollow bellowing against a public option is just another twist in how the fear card is played. And all for the benefit of higher insurance premiums for the insurance industry. It has zero to do with actual health delivery systems.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:30 pmAmen to that, Art.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pmyou want to trust them with our healtch care system?
July 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pm—-
So should we trust them with our young service people’s lives or is that somehow different. Shall we trust them with our mail? How about our food, air, and water? Any chance I can get a list of the things I can trust the government and the things I can’t because it sort of seems that folks pick and choose to suit their fancy. How about protecting my freedoms from freedom haters can I trust them with that one?
Wow most trusted news anchor! Morons! And Stewart at times is funny, but also operates from the left. And he should maybe get someone on his show who knows what the F he is talking about. I own a medical management firm and have several doctors in my family. Yes I am a conservative and I work on the front lines of industry Barry Obama is about to crush. People who do not work in the industry should not comment about it. Because it comes down this: “ya it sounds logical” “or govt can run it better than private ins co’s can” or “im a blind sheep whatever Obama does I like” I can tell you first hand that working with Medicare and Medicaid is a nightmare! You people have no clue what happens behind the scenes. You have no idea what it costs to run a medical practice and how hard it is to get compensated from govt run programs. So lets be real about this. If you support Obama’s health plan then admit you are for socialized medicine that will put every insurance co out of business, drive unemployment even higher, and force you to take care of your own body the way the govt says you can. But hey everyone, including illegal aliens, will have health care coverage right. Then ask yourself how are we going to pay for it. If you do not understand what socialized medicine is then here is a lesson. The doctor gets paid the same amount from the govt to see 2 patients as he does 40. So where is the incentive for the doctors? There is none they will see 10 patients a day and the rest of you people who like this plan will just be put on the waiting list. Good luck getting quality health care. How do I know this? Because the 40 something doctors I work for told me this is what they would do.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pmThanks for that perspective, gunnerscott. I personally will give it all the consideration it deserves.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:02 pm“So lets be real about this. If you support Obama’s health plan then admit you are for socialized medicine that will put every insurance co out of business, drive unemployment even higher, and force you to take care of your own body the way the govt says you can. But hey everyone, including illegal aliens, will have health care coverage right.”
Someone’s been listening to the lunatic fearmongers. What a pile of crap.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pmgunnerscott says:
The doctor gets paid the same amount from the govt to see 2 patients as he does 40. So where is the incentive for the doctors? There is none they will see 10 patients a day and the rest of you people who like this plan will just be put on the waiting list. Good luck getting quality health care. How do I know this? Because the 40 something doctors I work for told me this is what they would do.
I can promise you if that is how the doctors you work for feel about treating the sick and dying, they will never, ever see a penny from me. As far as I’m concerned, they became doctors for the wrong reasons. They shouldn’t be allowed to practice medicine.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pmAlright first off I will say that I use to love to watch Jon Stewart before he became so political. Now maybe im the only one to say this but after serving in the army for several years I can easily say that you will be hard pressed to find someone in the armed forces who will say its “first-class’ in fact it is sub par and can not hold a candle to private health care. Also after having a father and uncle serve in government for 40+ years a piece I must also say that the government has yet to ever run something as efficiently as the civilian world. If you dont believe me do some research. The government is dang near incompetent at running anything. Also no government has yet to successfully run a health care system and if this isnt true then why is the US *currently- as this could unfortunately change* have the most well run and highest quality healthcare system in the world?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pmgunnerscott says:
Wow most trusted news anchor! Morons! And Stewart at times is funny, but also operates from the left. And he should maybe get someone on his show who knows what the F he is talking about.
Yeah, why would he have someone like Bill Kristol on, anyway?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:14 pmda boss says:
I respectfully disagree with you.
Alright first off I will say that I use to love to watch Jon Stewart before he became so political.
Jon Stewart is a comedian who tells jokes about politicans in Washington. If it seems like he picks on Republicans more than Democrats, maybe it’s because there are mroe Republicans saying and doing stupid things than there are Democrats.
Now maybe im the only one to say this but after serving in the army for several years I can easily say that you will be hard pressed to find someone in the armed forces who will say its “first-class’ in fact it is sub par and can not hold a candle to private health care.
I won’t argue that it is “first class” (I’m an AF vet), but I would dispute that it is “sub-par”. I really don’t understand why everyone raves about our private health care system. The one that’s only great if you have lots of money. It is a system driven by greed and selfishness, not altruism. That’s never good for the country.
Also after having a father and uncle serve in government for 40+ years a piece I must also say that the government has yet to ever run something as efficiently as the civilian world.
I’m sorry you feel it necessary to disrespect your father’s and uncle’s combined eighty-plus years of service in our nation’s government. Are you implying they didn’t serve our citizens very well?
If you dont believe me do some research. The government is dang near incompetent at running anything. Also no government has yet to successfully run a health care system and if this isnt true then why is the US *currently- as this could unfortunately change* have the most well run and highest quality healthcare system in the world?
“the most well run and highest quality healthcare system in the world”??? What planet are you living on? You believe that a system in which bean counters can deny you life-saving treatment just because it would cut into their corporate profits is a good system? It’s clear that you don’t care about your fellow human beings.
But thank you for your service to our country.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:01 pm“Why is government-run health care “good enough for the military,” but “not good enough for the people of America?” Stewart asked”
Maybe this clown Stewart needs to experience “military care”. I wouldn’t wish this type of care on anyone. Other than battlefield care, it sucks. Look at the latest poor treatment of our “military” by the VA. Pitiful. And this idiot thinks government-run health care is good.
I hope Sterwart gets military style care when something critical has gone seriously wrong with him.
July 29th, 2009 at 12:39 amIt’s a little embarrassing to have to point this out, but Jon Stewart was reacting to his guest, well-known conservative Bill Kristol. Kristol was the one who first extolled the virtues of military health care, not Stewart. If you have a beef, you have it with Bill Kristol.
July 29th, 2009 at 12:54 amWhy is OBAMA pushing so hard for government run health care? It’s his way of setting up another entitlement program for blacks. His sole purpose for wanting to be president is to steal as much wealth of the country that he can and give it to his own kind. He wants affirmitive action in every government program to get as many of his kind on the government payroll. He believes anyone who is rich, must be white, so tax the hell out of them and give the money to the blacks.
His agenda was set by the years in church with Jermiah Wright. Obama’s racist side came out this week by crying racism against a policman who arrested a black man. It didnt matter that he didnt know the facts, it was a white policman arresting a black man, so it must have been racist.
Obama is going to show that he is the HNIC, and he is going to steal as much wealth from the U.S. and give it to the, quote “unfortunate”, which in this case is blacks only.
July 29th, 2009 at 12:59 amHello, new to this forum. Some really interesting posts on here. I kind of feel out of place though, I tend to think all of these politicians are dopes. Not that I am any smarter myself. With that being said, maybe you can help me with these questions I had: I am a supporter of leading by example, so have any gov’t officials said they will give up there Federal Health Care plan to go on this plan? Also, I am not to familiar with the Canadian healthcare system, do they come here for procedures they have problems getting there? Or do Americans try to go there to get procedures? Finally, why isn’t the staff of Think Progress more diversified? Thanks for your responses.
July 29th, 2009 at 1:49 amBillies daddy was a menber of the group that sold
July 29th, 2009 at 2:34 amRonnie Reagan the “Supply Side Economics” Trickle Down Theory,
Can you say “Class War Fare”…..
Blclem! FALSE. I WAS THERE where you presumably are (private health care insurers) but am now HERE (CANADA, single payer health care system). In my life and death FIGHT WITH CANCER I had the best care I could have had in the good old USA but then had the FIGHT FOR MY FINANCIAL LIFE with the insurance companies or do as they preferred – not have any insurance at all. It’s their twist to Twain’s stock buying advice: Buy stock, when it goes up sell it; if it goes down, DON’T BUY IT.
Just as Wendell Potter, the ex CIGNA executive said happens when insurance companies have really sick clients, my small company had to then drop our group health. My family’s individual rates jumped to over $68,000 a year but fortunately I got a job in CANADA. (If you can put up with my rambling tongue-in-cheek rants then google MY PERSONAL experience at “directly from the examining room to the front door”). This is not some “Shirley’s cousin’s” fatal story, but my OWN tale of a nightmare with a very happy Canadian ending
As another poster said, check out snopes ” http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp ” Again, from personal experience, I can support each of these findings but then I’m REALLY BIASED! Why? For example the US insurance company doubled my part (20%) of the surgeon’s cost by claiming his fee was above “customary” amounts. The Dr’s financial person just rolled her eyes when I complained about it. I heard there was a web site that compared fees by region and by the CPT code but, alas, it had been shut down by the AMA lawyers. The insurance company won, I was too sick to fight them anymore. Now I don’t worry about cancellations, deductibles, limits or being uninsured!
Jon Stewart rocks!
July 29th, 2009 at 3:10 amLuvylib. Please see my previous posts at number 84 and 86.
May I suggest you read previous posts before (re)posting something that has already been identified as an internet hoax ?
TP – could we have some sort of minimum standards for trolls ? The current ones aren’t even worth playing with.
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