Lobbyist Dick Armey’s Pollution Gospel: ‘As An Article Of Faith,’ It Is ‘Pretentious’ To Believe In Global Warming
Lobbyist Dick Armey’s Pollution Gospel: ‘As An Article Of Faith,’ It Is ‘Pretentious’ To Believe In Global Warming
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) appeared as a witness for the Republican bicameral hearing on climate change legislation yesterday on Capitol Hill. Along with a cadre of polluter CEOs and Chamber of Commerce officials, Armey played his part leveling an array of attacks on any effort to transition to a clean energy economy.
As the hearing progressed, most of the witnesses spent their time recycling months-old debunked studies. But Armey distinguished himself by invoking a religious argument to back up his smears against what he called “environmental hypochondriacs” filled with “eco-evangelical hysteria.” Armey claimed that in his world view, because God created the heavens and the Earth, it would be “quite pretentious” for people to believe God would permit global warming to even occur:
DICK ARMEY: What I’m suggesting is we have a sort of an eco-evangelical hysteria going on and it leads me to almost wonder if we are becoming a nation of environmental hypochondriacs that are willing to use the power of the state to impose enormous restrictions on the rights and the comforts of, and incomes of individuals who serve essentially a paranoia, a phobia, that has very little fact evidence in fact. Now these are observations that are popular to make because right now its almost taken as an article of faith that this crisis is real. Let me say I take it as an article of faith if the lord God almighty made the heavens and the Earth, and he made them to his satisfaction and it is quite pretentious of we little weaklings here on earth to think that, that we are going to destroy God’s creation. [...]
SEN. ORRIN HATCH: Mr. Armey it’s great to have you here. Great to see you again and we appreciate all you’ve done throughout the years and your work on Capitol Hill. Great job.
Watch it:
Despite Armey’s claims, global warming is very real and has already caused great damage to creation. Indeed, though Armey would like to create a false dichotomy between people who want to stop global warming and people who believe in God, no such gap exists. A Faith and Public Life poll found 63% of Catholics and 50% of white evangelicals want the federal government to do more to address climate change. Pope Benedict XVI has called for a greater focus on the environment, saying “if you want to promote peace, safeguard creation.”
Armey’s use of faith to demonize clean energy reform should come as no surprise. After promoting a polluter agenda for many years in Congress, Armey became a lobbyist for the firm DLA Piper, which represents many interests with a stake against curbing greenhouse gas emissions:
–- DLA Piper represents Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Prime Minister of the UAE, on energy related issues such as maintaining the U.S.-UAE relationship where “U.S companies have played major roles in the development of UAE energy resources, which represent about 10 percent of global oil reserves.” [US Department of Justice, accessed 7/30/09]
– DLA Piper recently signed on Colonial Oil as a new client. [Senate Lobbying Disclosures, accessed 7/30/09]
– DLA Piper represents Irving Oil, lobbying directly on clean energy reform legislation. [Senate Lobbying Disclosures, accessed 7/30/09]
After leaving Congress, Armey became the head of Citizens for a Sound Economy, a right-wing front group funded largely by oil companies like ExxonMobil. CSE later morphed into the astroturf organization known as FreedomWorks, which Armey has used to orchestrate the vicious anti-Obama tea party rallies. And, as ThinkProgress has documented, though FreedomWorks purports to fight on behalf of a purely free market ideology, Armey has used FreedomWorks to whip up “grassroots” support for the clients he represents.
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Armey, whoring yourself out much?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 amMore repiggie nonsense from a well-paid whore for the oil companies…
By the way, Lou Dobbs is a moron.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 amLet me say I take it as an article of faith if the lord God almighty made the heavens and the Earth, and he made them to his satisfaction and it is quite pretentious of we little weaklings here on earth to think that, that we are going to destroy God’s creation.
He’s right. We won’t destroy God’s creation.
The worst we’ll do is make it uninhabitable for most living things, including man.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 amSo . . . God wanted a hole in the ozone layer? Is that what you’re saying Dick?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 amDick Armey?
Let’s go to David Shuster for his views…
Heh.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 amCouldn’t God be testing us to see if we will respect his creation and do all we can to stop it’s destruction?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 amParaphrasing Shuster:
“[I]f you are planning [religion-based climate change denial] all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey.”
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 amArmey claimed that in his world view, because God created the heavens and the Earth, it would be “quite pretentious” for people to believe God would permit global warming to even occur.
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No.
What’s pretentious is the ridiculous belief that God created this world for us.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 amI live in central Texas and believe me sometimes it’s like living in a foreign country. These old boys will complain at length how hot and dry it is and that they don’t remember it ever being this bad…then (I swear this is true) they debunk the theory of global warming and say that it’s all a liberal hype to raise auto prices.
Many of these guys are college educated but question evolution. They believe Limpball and Hannity is the voice of reason….groan.
One guy was complaining about all the foreigners in Texas…I asked him if he was Comanche or Kiowa. He said “NO”…So I told him that he isn’t anything but a damned foreigner himself. God, I thought he was going to have a stroke.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 amIs it pretentious of me to think that Armey is a moron?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 amGOP Rejects Science
*yawn* Wake me when there is news…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 amDick Armey is a pompous, bloviating loon. He was crazy when he was in office, and he’s even more of a lunatic now that he’s out of office. I fail to understand why the MSM keeps featuring him as a talking head. He is totally delusional. If there is a God, I don’t think She would be sending the Dick Armey to represent Her.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 amlaprofesora says:
Is it pretentious of me to think that Armey is a moron?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am
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Nope – that’s verified scientific fact.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amApparently the good Christian Armey has forgotten what Jesus said during his temptations by Satan. Satan challenged Jesus to prove he was the Son of God by throwing himself off a cliff; if he was truly the Son of God, surely a host of angels would catch him and save him from plummeting to his death. Jesus said “thou shalt not tempt the Lord.” But Armey has no trouble recommending that we who are so much less than Jesus should go ahead and tempt the Lord in exactly the same way.
Isn’t it interesting that Armey is using the same arguments as Satan?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amRabid Rightie Dick Armey may not have been born here.
Dick, we’re going to have to see your birth certificate…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amRight. Remeber the Great Flood, oh Biblical Scholar we all call Dick? Either you believe or ya don’t, Dick.
Dick better watch his step. I believe God is targeting Dick personally.
PEACE
July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amNot pretentious at all. In fact, it’s entirely reasonable and supported by the evidence.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 amIt Is ‘Pretentious’ To Believe In Global Warming ?
If the pretense is being able to breathe, then, yeah.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 amI guess we shouldn’t worry about any form of air, water, or soil pollution either, since God obviously won’t let those man-made problems impact the earth.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 amNuclear waste? Just dump it in the ocean. God will fix it.
liberalrob @14, if I could vote you up 10 times, I would!
Satan’s Armey of Dick
PEACE
July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 amAh — the time-honored wingnut practice of cherrypicking through the Bible.
Dick — if you’re going to believe that God almighty created the earth, then you have to believe God gave Adam dominion over it (Genesis 1:26).
In fact most people of Abrahamic religions (except for the scriptural cherrypickers) accept the idea that WE are the stewards of the earth; that God put US in charge of what happens to it.
And in many ways, we’ve neglected our duties. Fortunately, some of us want to correct that before it’s too late.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 amWhen appearing before Congress, one would expect at least a bit of lipstick on that Pig!
PEACE
July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 amGenesis 1:26
And God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
If you are going to believe that God will take care, you have to believe that he will do so THROUGH MAN. Armey is NOT being religious here. He is being greedy and religious words are just his cover.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 amYou’re clearly being sarcastic here deserves Votes Up, but i suspect Dick Armey would vote you up for an entirely different reason; he thinks you’re absolutely correct.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 amSorry — should be “You’re clearly being sarcastic here AND DESERVE Votes UP”
July 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pmWhat are Dick’s views on God allowing his mom to name him “Dick Armey?”
Sorry, I just can’t take someone seriously who thinks that a mythical sky fairy wouldn’t let us shit in our own bed, because well….he just wouldn’t do something so mean!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pmMaybe it is God’s will that the Earth suffers from global warming, but those oil companies are certainly giving the Lord a helping hand.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pmDick Armey: As An Article Of Faith, It Is ‘Pretentious’ To Believe In Global Warming.
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TRoS: As an Article of Intelligence, It is staggeringly STUPID to deny the affect of human behavior on the environment.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pmPretentious? Dick Army thinks that people who respect the planet, it’s inhabitants human and otherwise and would be willing to sacrifice something to protect it are pretentious?
Wow, how can you argue with someone who is so intellectually bankrupt? Mr. Army, you are quite a Dick.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pmDick says: god made earth
July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pmDick says: we must respect god
Dick says: dump on earth?
ARMEY: Now these are observations that are popular to make because right now its almost taken as an article of faith that this crisis is real. Let me say I take it as an article of faith if the lord God almighty made the heavens and the Earth, and he made them to his satisfaction
Faith has nothing to do with the scientific reality of global warming.
And any rational thinking person (Christian, atheist or whatever) with half a brain understands the creation stories in the bible are just myths. There are two completely different creation myths in the bible written by two different authors (no not God and Jesus) which makes it kinda problematic to believe in both at the same time. And you really dont have to believe in every single crazy word in the bible to believe in God.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pmArmey better watch himself. Many Evangelists believe in Global Warming. In fact, a lot of them split with Focus on the Family because the environment isn’t on the agenda. Dobson and his crew only focus on abortion and Gays, when many religious leaders also care about poverty, social justice and the environment.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pmEvery quark dances
July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmPhoton receptors engage
Stars link every world
No, what is arrogant is thinking that you can keep doing whatever you want and it will have no affect whatsoever on the other residents of this planet, which includes more than just humans, you self-centered, egotistical twat.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pmI just reread Armey’s comment and maybe he’s actually, unintentionally, telling the truth through his Freudian slip grammar:
we are becoming a nation of environmental hypochondriacs that are willing to use the power of the state to impose enormous restrictions on the rights and the comforts of, and incomes of individuals who serve essentially a paranoia, a phobia, that has very little fact evidence in fact.
Polluters are paranoid. They serve a paranoid, non-fact based agenda. That’s what he said.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmI ran across one wingnut in the midst of an argument about extraterrestrial life who explained that the rest of the universe was created by God solely to elicit awe of God in humans. I told him his God sounded like a needy little brat and that his own ego was galactic in size.
What people like Armey really mean is that humans can’t screw things up so badly that he and the rest of the bloated Rich won’t manage nicely in their enclaves.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pmWe killed his son, we’ve killed his other creations (fellow humans), what’s to say we can’t destroy all his creations?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pmgummble-bee-itch says:
I told him his God sounded like a needy little brat and that his own ego was galactic in size.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
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What else would you expect from someone who would tell a guy to slaughter his own son just to prove his love?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
it as an article of faith if the lord God almighty made the heavens and the Earth,……
Why do these wingnuts display the worst examples of debutante theology ?
Read the next chapter of Genesis – God then gave man dominion over the earth to care for it. how good a job are we doing ?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I wonder if he would care to explain the ice age to all of us.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pmblt: The Creator’s ( Jesus used the name Creator in Matthew 19 to refer to God) continuing creation includes all pre-born persons.
So, wouldn’t “respect his creation” include respecting all pre-born persons, and not destroying them before they are born?
The supposed legal right to destroy pre-born persons seems at odds to any expressed concern about protecting the environment, at least to bit.
Why protect the environment when you’re destroying pre-born persons? For whom, and for what, would we be protecting the environment?
Gee, I don’t know. Maybe for the actual persons? You know, the ones that have progressed beyond fetus-hood and become babies.
That’s cute, though: “pre-born persons.” Transparent and ridiculous, sure, but cute. Why does God allow miscarriages?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pm:|
Pope to Copernicus
“It is quite pretentious to believe in a sun centered solar system”.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pmbitblt says:
Why protect the environment when you’re destroying pre-born persons? For whom, and for what, would we be protecting the environment?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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For the other 6 billion post-born people on the planet, perhaps?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pmYou’re so full of shit. If that were so then what would be the test, what would be the point.
If killing him didn’t kill him dead and I mean forever then there is no test and no point. Just like you.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:42 pmbitblt says:
The Bible says that Abraham was willing to kill Isaac because Abraham believed that God had the power to raise Isaac from the dead. Thus, Abraham gets the title: “Father of the Faithful”
July 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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Abraham’s delusions aside, it’s still a dick move, don’t you think?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:42 pmHow patriotic.
Ex-congressman turned corporate pimp trying to manipulate legislation by reinterpreting the intent of biblical scripture?
How Tea-baggin’ Texan is that!
These people need a copy of the constitution, not a birth certificate.
They obviously can’t comprehend either.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pmgummble-bee-itch says:
That’s cute, though: “pre-born persons.” Transparent and ridiculous, sure, but cute. Why does God allow miscarriages?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
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It’s amazing that the religious whackos never grasp the concept that perhaps God actually WANTS us to get our overpopulation under control.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pmIt isn’t just the global warming deniers, the birthers, the new world order maniacs, the msm corporate propaganda machine or any other status quo facilitator. It’s simply the enormous amount of people in this country that actually believe all the bullshit and scare tactics from the likes of Dick Armey. People here are mentally lazy and pretentious simply because they were born here. If they would just take the time to research and at least try to understand global warming and climate change they may finally come to the conclusion that Dick Armey and all others like him are a detriment to human survival. Where are all the scientists not on the government dole that should be speaking out against all this bullshit from the avarice seekers and fear mongers of the conservative and religious right. I don’t want a dirty, contaminated planet just so some coal or oil company can maximize profits. I want a clean planet for my son and all your children for as long as this Earth exists. We have the intelligence and capability to do the right thing but, we aren’t because of inhuman, selfish, greedy bastards like Dick Armey.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pmbitblt says:
The supposed legal right to destroy pre-born persons seems at odds to any expressed concern about protecting the environment, at least to bit. Why protect the environment when you’re destroying pre-born persons? For whom, and for what, would we be protecting the environment?
We’re also against destroying post-born persons in senseless wars and preventable famines and floods. And the worse environment you have around, the less pre- and post-born persons that this planet will support.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:58 pmbitbit says: #41
So was God going to grant Abraham a free pass to break his own 6th commandment? Thou shalt not kill. Remember that one?My interpretation is that even by entertaining the thought of killing his own son (a repulsive consideration) Abraham failed the true test by being weak to believe that God needed one man to kill his son just to prove his worthiness. If your god is that shallow and petty, you can have it!
July 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pmOnce again we think we can freely interchange “believe” and “UNDERSTAND.”
July 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmMy interpretation is that even by entertaining the thought of killing his own son (a repulsive consideration) Abraham failed the true test by being weak to believe that God needed one man to kill his son just to prove his worthiness.
That’s been one historical Jewish interpretation as well. Abraham ‘imagined’ God’s instructions or misinterpreted them… hence the angel’s panicked appearance on the mountaintop.
Christians just like it because it allows them to justify the Crucifixion and ignore all that ‘Forgive them Father…’ stuff that Jesus was talking about. We can pretend that Jesus loved being the Christian’s ‘lamb.’
July 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmI think the text indicates he had serious reservations, personally.
Mr. Evil says:
So was God going to grant Abraham a free pass to break his own 6th commandment? Thou shalt not kill.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
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Well, in fairness, Moses came about 300 years after Abraham, which would make enforcement of “thou shalt not kill” an ex post facto commandment.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pmbitblt says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
You’ll be jumping to the defense of this woman, since she BELIEVED the devil made her do it.
Or is it only ok when you BELIEVE god made you do it?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pmSo, global warming can’t be happening because God wouldn’t let it happen? Right! Just like He wouldn’t let disease or war or genocide or happen.
I’m not a believer but, assuming Armey actually is, what makes him think he knows or understands God’s plan for His creation? Pretty freakin’ arrogant. Pretty freakin’ Republican.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:27 pmYeah, but since God exists outside of time, He had to know about the 6th Commandment.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:29 pmI simply don’t have the patience to go back and find out exactly how bit turned a global warming thread into an excuse to preach about abortion.
Can anyone catch me up?
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On second thought — scratch that. I don’t want to know.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:31 pmNational Oceanic and Atmospheric Admin probably knows a little more about the climate than Dick Armey and his religious right freaks. The NOAA reported last week that June’s ocean temps were the HIGHEST EVER RECORDED:
NOAA Report Here
July 31st, 2009 at 1:42 pmThis is why we cannot afford to elect officials who seriously believe in the Bible. One’s religious beliefs may be protected and sacred in our society, but irrational people cannot be allowed to run the country. And like it or not, faith is by definition irrational, though true believers claim that faith is superior to rationality, that strongly believing in something is more important than the truth. BTW faith and patriotism are the same.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pmAround a billion people will run out of fresh water in the next few decades. I am forced to conclude that the Reichwhiners are convinced that somehow translates into more stuff for them. You can’t fix that kind of greed and stupidity.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pm“Well, in fairness, Moses came about 300 years after Abraham, which would make enforcement of “thou shalt not kill” an ex post facto commandment.
Also interesting to note that Moses came up with “thou shalt not kill” after he killed the Egyptian overseer….”
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pmnoseeum says:
Also interesting to note that Moses came up with “thou shalt not kill” after he killed the Egyptian overseer….”
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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What’s wrong with that? It says thou shalt not kill. Not we shalt not kill.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:52 pmOn a related note. I stumbled across this video about the arrogance of religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6paRp4A_I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Fpharyngula%2F2009%2F07%2Fspeak_it_brother_sam.php&feature=player_embedded
July 31st, 2009 at 2:02 pmGood point, toasterhead.
That is the X-tian way though, isn’t it?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:07 pmThe old patriarch with the beard talking down to everyone else, telling them what to do while they go ahead and do what they please..
pete says:
“Around a billion people will run out of fresh water in the next few decades. I am forced to conclude that the Reichwhiners are convinced that somehow translates into more stuff for them. You can’t fix that kind of greed and stupidity.”
Maybe this is why the Bush family cartel bought all that property down in Paraguay, atop the largest known, relatively untapped freshwater aquifer in the world…
July 31st, 2009 at 2:11 pmOr maybe it’s just coincidence….
God didn’t turn the Great Lakes into cesspools and He didn’t turn them back into productive fisheries. God didn’t extirpate the Bald Eagle from much of it’s original range and He didn’t ban DDT and allow them to recover. And God most certainly didn’t turn forests into cities or fossil fuels into gases.
It takes a profoundly stupid person to say that God will save the World, or even a portion thereof, for the sake of His slaves and sycophants.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The problem is that we have serious environmental/health issues and can not lump global warming hysteria with the pollution in our air and water supply.
Those who stand to profit the most from global warming hysteria are companies like Exxon/Mobil and General Electric.
While climate change is not due to man made processes and is directly linked to Solar Variation and the Milankovitch effect, the pollution of our rivers and lakes certainly is.
We didn’t even mention GMO foods and the evil bastards at Monsanto.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#71, Agreed.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pmTrueLiberty says:
We didn’t even mention GMO foods and the evil bastards at Monsanto.
I will…and welcome aboard, TrueLiberty.
Monsanto actually paid legislators to introduce a bill that would make them the exclusive owner of Genetically Modified Organisms, (GMO), in perpetuity.
Talk about proprietary!
Is GMO responsible for the honeybee ‘Colony Collapse Disorder’, for starters? We have a myriad of unanswered questions about startling biological events unfolding in front of our very eyes.
In fact, health care reform is too narrow a lens. We should be addressing our Planetary and biological ‘health’, as well.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmLook bit. We know you are too stupid to make sense. We know you are a hateful bigot. At least confine your stupid to threads where they are relevant. Dont start trying to turn EVERY thread into your obsession with abortion. You aer stupid about that too. You dont make sense. We dont want to follow you of topic.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:32 pmmarwick says:
July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Dr. Franco Battaglia has no climate science background, and neither does TrueLiberty.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:32 pmTwo problems there, TL. The Suns output is at a 50-100 year low and the Milankovitch Cycle theory is on a scale on tens to hundreds of thousands of years and would actually argue against a sudden, rapid, change like we are currently observing.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pmmarwick says:
Yeah, yeah another pet scientist. Still 95% of the climatologists in the world DO believe it but lets leave that aside. We know you are just going to believe whatever Rush tells you to anyway. Lets try for once to stay on topic.
Whatever you think about Global Warming. Isnt what Dick Armey said stupendously ignorant? Do you want THIS kind of argument supporting your side of the Global Warming Debate?
Actually the debate itself is the biggest hoax ever. Bought and paid for by the energy corporations. Programmed into the gullible by screechmonkeys for their political gain. You guys are like chatty Kathy dolls. Screechmonkeys wind you up and pull your string and you regurgitate the most ignorant nonsense imaginable without shame. You SHOULD be embarassed
July 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pmchiroptera toasterhead says
Not exactly. Noah was BEFORE Abraham and not to kill was one of the seven Noachian laws
July 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pmTrueLiberty says:
Oh please. The ENTIRE scientific community minus the couple of climatologists YOU have talked to are in on some grand scheme to tax poor people? Get a grip. If you ARE a scientist and dont believe then to the DAMN SCIENCE and show us where it is wrong. You guys are a joke. You want to do a scientific debate the way hamburgers are sold with a PR campaign. There is NO QUESTION that the scientific consensus is that there IS Anthropormorphic Global Climate change. That is without a doubt. Your anecdote about who you talked to is meaningless and if you ARE a physicist you KNOW that. There are close to a thousand peer reviewed studies that say you are full of it. Dont bother telling me what you THINK or what you were TOLD. DO. THE. SCIENCE. Show your work and PROVE your point. If you cant you are another shill
July 31st, 2009 at 2:46 pmBTW. My education was in physics and biology and it’s supported by decades in the field and direct observation as well as a lifetime of study. I was about 15 years ahead of Al Gore and sincerely wish he never made that stupid movie, which I haven’t even seen.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:46 pmTrueLiberty says:
You are ridiculous. Solar activity has specifically been ruled OUT as THE reason for the warming
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html
Some uncertainty remains about the role of natural variations in causing climate change. Solar variability certainly plays a minor role, but it looks like only a quarter of the recent variations can be attributed to the Sun. At most. During the initial discovery period of global warming, the magnitude of the influence of increased activity on the Sun was not well determined.
Solar irradiance changes have been measured reliably by satellites for only 30 years. These precise observations show changes of a few tenths of a percent that depend on the level of activity in the 11-year solar cycle. Changes over longer periods must be inferred from other sources. Estimates of earlier variations are important for calibrating the climate models. While a component of recent global warming may have been caused by the increased solar activity of the last solar cycle, that component was very small compared to the effects of additional greenhouse gases. According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, “…the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases…greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role…”
I dont believe you are a physicist. No scientist worth his salt would just buy into whatever info pushed his political agenda ignoring all the science done over the last several decades.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:51 pmmarwick….?
TrueLiberty…?
Couldn’t back up their shit, of course.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pmpete says:
I saw it. I think it a good movie. It was made however to make the consequences accessable to non scientists and therefore oversimplified. The right used THAT to attack it as if it were a scientific treatise. We both know however if he had made a movie that WAS a scientific treatise the right would have attacked it as elitist mush that no one but scientists cares about. There is no winning with these guys
July 31st, 2009 at 2:55 pmHeck! Leave global warming out of it.
We are changing the basic chemistry of the Earth’s environment. Changes in basic chemistry lead to rapid, catastrophic, changes. These changes cause mass extinctions. The top of the food chain is hardest hit in mass extinctions. We humans are the top of the food chain.
It doesn’t take much of a scientist to reach a conclusion.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:58 pmI’m sure it was a good movie, EugeneDebs. My regret is that Gore was already such a target that his participation automatically assured the resistance from the Reichwhiners.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pmThis is the real reason why conservatives don’t believe in global warming. Follow along if you will:
Christian theology holds that Jesus will return and God will destroy the Earth.
All real Christian’s get spared this by Rapture and going to heaven to enjoy everlasting life.
If it is even possible that humans can destroy our environment and ourselves it puts their religious beliefs in jeopardy not to mention their shot at immortality.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:09 pmArmey is nuts. He should be institutionalized.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:21 pmpete says:
Yeah true. Though ANY Global Warming movie aimed at the populace they are aiming their PR propaganda campaign against would have come under extreme attack even if it were made by Mother Theresa
July 31st, 2009 at 3:30 pmI live in central Texas and believe me sometimes it’s like living in a foreign country. These old boys will complain at length how hot and dry it is and that they don’t remember it ever being this bad…then (I swear this is true) they debunk the theory of global warming and say that it’s all a liberal hype to raise auto prices.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:37 pmThankfully, a fair number of Christians—even some at the conservative end of the specturm—are more environmentally enlightened than Dick Armey. See, for example, this list of Christian environmental organizations:
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Organizations/Environmental/
July 31st, 2009 at 3:45 pmIf Jesus Himself returned and told the Faithful to buy electric cars and rooftop solar panels? Armey and his ilk would nail the poor hippie to a fresh cross by sundown.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:51 pmpete says:
Halleluja brother
July 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pmAs an article of faith it is pretentious to engage in materialism [Mammonism] and usury, Dick.
BTW way the globe warms and cools every year, we call it seasons.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:03 pmConveniently for him, Armey’s ‘article of faith’ places him completely beyond the reach of any factual evidence whatsoever.
… and Orrin Hatch says, “Great Job”. Sheesh!
July 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pmTo be fair, EugeneDebs, the Reichwhiners would probably crucify Christ, again, long before the environment was brought up. The long hair, robe, and sandals would most likely do Him in before He said a word.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pmIf you want to go all biblical on it, then you could use the arguments that we are supposed to be stewards of the garden—not poisoning it.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:39 pmDoctor: “Your child just has a cold and will be fine a few days.”
Psycochristian parent: “Jesus has blessed us with a healthy child. Praise Jesus!”
Or…
Doctor: “Your child has asthma and chronic bronchitis due to air pollution.”
Psycochristian parent: “Jesus has blessed us with a test of Faith. Praise Jesus!”
July 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pmWell to be fair pete it isnt a bad thing to make lemonade out of lemons. I have just been saying lately what a good job Bush did of destroying the GOP
July 31st, 2009 at 5:24 pm“it is quite pretentious of we little weaklings here on earth to think that, that we are going to destroy God’s creation.”
And yet the conservatives believe they can second-guess God on abortion? It’s quite pretentious of we little weaklings on earth to think that if God didn’t want those fetuses to be aborted, he would stop it from happening.
These guys seem to find a lot of solace in what appears to be an incredibly capricious and arbitrary deity, who doesn’t stop abortions but for some reason will keep the earth habitable for humans to live.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:47 pmEugeneDebs,
I love lemonade, lemon juice, lemon drops, lemon custard ice cream, lemon chicken, lemon butter, and I use lemon oil on my wood furniture. But the GOoPers aren’t making lemonade out of lemons. They are trying to make lemonade out of hog waste.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:03 pmIt is such fun watching a political party fall to pieces. It has never happened in my lifetime, but it is more entertaining than anything I have ever witnessed before.
I have heard much speculation about the formation of a Progressive Party once the Republicans have formally disbanded. I would recommend the Progressive Party be completely online, including whatever representatives we elect.
Progressive politics should use the Internet for as much as possible since it would be the most Democratic way to run a political party. Progressive Party officials would be required to frequent the Progressive Party site blog, and make themselves publicly available.
Anyone out there know how to form a political party and make a web site for it?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:48 pmI was just talking about that the other night, Levi. We haven’t seen the death of a party in this country, in over a century, but it sure looks like we are seeing it now. I just can’t imagine the GOP can survive their mad flight to extremism.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:53 pmImagine what will happen if the oldest Americans, now a group largely owned by the Republicans, realizes what is really going on. Who would the Republicans have left?
Old rich white men. A tiny minority, slowly dying off. When you make “socialized medicine” a talking point boojum, you might just worry the little old ladies that come to realize that Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine, and that it is not a bad thing.
Once the Republican Party has shrunk down to maybe 20 seats in the Senate, it will be time for the Democratic party to split into two parts, progressives and moderates. I am sure that the Progressive Party will start small, but the Democrats either get off their lazy butts, or they will be the next Republicans.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:00 pmPretentious to think we humans can destroy God’s creation, huh? Aren’t these the same nuts who believe that God needs our nuclear arsenal to destroy the world and bring Christ back?
Pitiful little God they worship, sounds like someone’s bitter, alcoholic parents.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmThat the 4th estate allows the true backroom advocates for industry to hide as the people they incite make asses of themselves in “Town Hall meetings” is what needs to be told for therein lies the tale of our countries woes. Expose the Firms, the lobbyists, the incestuous relationships between political types, their aides, the revolving door of business to politics for what it is, a way to make money and a lot of money from the labors of the workers in the US without giving them a true voice or the rights to Health Care that is affordable and equitable for all.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:40 pm