Angry right harasses Rep. Lloyd Doggett with anti-health care chants. (Updated)
Angry right harasses Rep. Lloyd Doggett with anti-health care chants. (Updated)
Today, House members are back home to begin their month-long recess. The far right has indicated that they plan to welcome many of their representatives with large, angry throngs (“town halls gone wild”). The corporate lobbyists engineering these “grassroots” efforts have indicated their harassment strategy is to “yell,” “stand up and shout,” and “rattle” the members. Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being confronted by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. This past weekend, Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) was the latest victim of the right’s strategy, where protesters followed him and chanted “just say no” to health care. Watch it:
Texas has the highest uninsured rate in the nation and stands to be among the most to gain from Obama’s health care plan. “[N]early 6 million Texans, including the one in six U.S. uninsured children who live there, could get health insurance for the first time if the plan is enacted.”
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August 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 amFascinating strategy by the Just Say No party — if you can’t debate rationally with good alternative ideas, just send in your henchmen/henchwomen to disrupt the debate…yeah, that’s moving the country forward, GNOP style…
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 amThis is appalling but unsurprising. The bullying tactics of the right-wing were evident throughout the 2008 elections as well. The saving grace in all this is that this small, whiney minority of the population is virtually impotent and have no impact on the national debate. Heck, they aren’t even trying to have a part in it — they are the “new anarchists”.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 amLooks to me like Sen. Specter and Secretary Sebellius are treating these protesters the wrong way. It’s the same mistake I sometimes make with trolls. I treat them as if they’re capable of reasonable discourse, when their only purpose is to disrupt and flame..
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 amWell, the tea-baggers have found a new venue to spew their rantings on….
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 amMore uniting not dividing at work.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 amwhat i’d like to know is what percent of these clowns in this clip are uninsured/underinsured?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 amwhat percent are on medicare?
Soon they will resort to throwing baby juice and monkey kidneys at their elected officials…
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 amNo doubt many of these disruptive clowns have no health care or insurance which will prove to be inadequate when needed. Immediately becoming a burden to the remaining tax payers. Of course they could just be rolled out in the street like many of the poor now
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:14 amThis is a scary thing but knew those nutters would come up with a effective ploy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 amJust hope they get arrested and or escorted out of the meetings. But then again that could be a ploy as well, they can say see with speak out and they throw us out. (which i wish they do the throwing out part. right on they heads and maybe that would cause them to see straight.
But sadly to say with there heads so far up there 4th point of contact that there pretty well protected from being head slammed.
They shouted insults at notable American figures — and each other. Loudly.”
– - Gosh, how come them Iraqi Sunni and Shiite folks just can’t get along? It’s a mystery, eh?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 amThese are not protests with a message. These are organized gangs and they will lead to violence. That is the goal.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 amIt’s beginning to look to me that Obama may be the last “elected” President of the USofA.
Check out Amato.
The country is completely, and irrevocably phucked, friendz…
I’m too old and slow to do any good in the coming conflict, but i’d advise the younger members of the group to purchase and learn to use a fire-arm…
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 amSoon they will resort to throwing baby juice and monkey kidneys at their elected officials…
Regular baby juice or dead baby juice?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 amFirst two words that came to mind when reading about these disruptive inviduals: F***ING IDIOTS!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 amFascinating strategy by the Just Say No party — if you can’t debate rationally with good alternative ideas, just send in your henchmen/henchwomen to disrupt the debate…yeah, that’s moving the country forward, GNOP style..
Can you say “B R O W N S H I R T S”?
I knew you could…
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 amI say follow the trouble makers home and document their address.Then the community can be alerted to the fact that there are traitors in their midst. Enough of the passive bullsh*t.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 amBottomless stupidity is the rule among the minions of the right.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 amIts truly unfortunate that we live in a country where stupidity rises to the top of the discussion and reasoned discourse is left to the few intelligent people remaining. Faux “News”, Rush and the rest of the anti-American reichwing should be especially proud of itself this morning as they are at any time they can get their foolish band of sheep to follow their mantra and carry their flame.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 amThese losers are exactly the people who will benefit most from health care reform — and they’ll be first in line to sign up for the public option — but there they are in all their ignorant indignation.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:26 am
They’ll get tired just like the tea-baggers confab by the end of the week. I bet most of these people are unemployed and out of work.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 amAugust 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
We need some sort of registry for the people that participate in these things. That way we can avoid hiring them, given their penchant for loudly displaying their cognitive limitations.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 amBecause the GnOP party is so full of hypocrisy, they see nothing wrong with using terror tactics when they fail through a normal political process. What we are seeing now is what would have happened had W not “won” in 2000. There is civil disobedience and mob rule, and this is mob rule. I think it is laughable that these idiots are so consumed to protect the salaries of bloated executives who earn their wages on the corpses and bankruptcies of their neighbors and families.
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morning reality chump.
can you provide me with a list the core principals of fascism and then we can commence to compare and contrast the core principals of fasciskm to the recent actions of the two parties in the united states? it should be a hoot.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 amPubertyCheck misunderstands my post, as he does most things. Maybe he can run upstairs and get his mom to explain it to him (and why he never gets hired by anyone for anything, not even asked for directions)
I love when ignorant hicks like you display their confederate flags, it makes it easy to avoid hiring the idiots.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 amahhh, teabaggers. What can you say ’bout them butt
stupid is as stupid does
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 amI going to actually respond to this nonsense. The difference is that it is just talk with the left. It is the rigth who actually does what you pretend to despise.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 amI’ve lived in Austin for several decades and can assure you- Lloyd Doggett is beloved here. Tom DeLay’s elaborate attempts to gerrymander Doggett out of his job failed. The local radio station KLBJ-AM, (ironic, no?,) has been watering the weeds of hate for about 15 years and the results are spore pollution teabagger types. Our town is also the home of Mr. Borderline Personality himself, Alex Jones. Keeping Austin weird ;)
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 amIt’s not subjective to assume that 70% of them are either uninsured or underinsured. That is a fact.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 amThrow in a few Nightsticks, Pitchforks and Axe Handles and you have the mob scene played out before most lynchings.
The really curious thing I got out of these videos was they reminded me of when Bush closed his speeches to all but his handpicked audience of staunch supporters. Bush very rarely put himself in any situation where even one dissenter could question him, let alone a crowd of them. Never let us forget how Helen Thomas was treated by Bush and his fear of her blunt questions and retorts.
Healthy question and answer times with of our elected representatives has been waning for years but this tactic by the right may end it all together.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 amWe knew this was comming. They are following the script outlined by their handlers.
We know this is orchastrated for effect, how come the media doesn’t cover the hypocracy of their actions. They have no idea on what the health care plan involves, they just play to thre extreemists.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 amFortunately, most right wingers are severe cowards, like PubertyCheck, and would never put themselves in actual danger of physical conflict, lest they get their empty heads bounced off the ground.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 amwhich you’re post just shows what a hypocritical bunch of Nazis you liberals are
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am—–
No it doesn’t. Even if we suppose your premise correct, how would it apply to anyone but the person who posted it?
The squeaky wheel does get the greace. This is the terrible two year olds throwing their tantrum. Everyone’s going to get screwed because a few assswholes are too fcking stupid to think. They are helping the insurance companies that don’t give a flying fck about them.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 amPubertyCheck objects to a list of stupid people because he would be one of the first on the list.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 amI was thinking that these idiots be told to act appropriately or face expulsion from such public venues, but then it occurred to me that would set up round two of this bullshit campaign. I can hear Fox News spewing the “Now the Obama administration wont allow any protests of his policies; this is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany”. This is exactly where this is going. Oh by the way I would love to know the reading comprehension level of the idiot who questioned congress’s ability to read a bill.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 amUnreal Czech says:
Q. Did your parents have any children that lived?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 amI wonder if any of these people protested the use of US taxpayer dollars to subsidize the socialist Iraqi public national health care system which gives free health care to every Iraqi.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 amRantingTommy says:…Fortunately, most right wingers are severe cowards, like PubertyCheck, and would never put themselves in actual danger of physical conflict, lest they get their empty heads bounced off the ground.
The best thing about a mob is that your individual courage or lack of same is irrelevant inside it…
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 amRegarding the registry: we already have one, it’s called the Republican party.
If you want a job done correctly, without corruption, and without corner-cutting, DO NOT HIRE A REPUBLICAN.
That goes for everything from car maintenance to roof repair to teaching your children to selling you insurance.
SPEND YOU MONEY WITH PROGRESSIVES, not ignorant throwbacks like PubertyCheck.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 amerr “YOUR MONEY”
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RealityCheck says:
Nothing like a little assuming dipshyt
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
That Shakespeare quote was for the likes of you. Maybe someone will explain it to you.
Oh, and thanks for getting angry, and handing me your power. Ahhhh, feels good.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 amThe way to handle this is to warn the crowds that this type of activity is being used before the town hall begins. Then advise anyone who came to disrupt the town hall will be removed and/or arrested. A few arrests at these meetings will go a long way because the groups responsible for these tactics will not be around when the person needs to post bail and go to court.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Oh, Bozo, you silly fellow… RC and his ilk have no use for actual, y’know… definitions. Facts. That sort of thing…
They’re only interested in the emotional impact of the words they choose. If they know that “fascism” is bad, then it must be leftist, because they hate leftists. End of discussion.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 am“Just say no” — to HEALTHCARE?!?!?
How fcuking STUPID is that?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 amPubertyCheck is a huge coward and a liar to boot.
Poor little guy, too fat to work, too stupid to live.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 amI see RealityChump gave me a vote down right away on post #43. He didn’t like me bringing up the fact that George W. Bush spent his tax money to provide socialist free public health care to Iraqis.
What’s the matter? Is that a little too much reality for you chump?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
realtychump@47,
interestingly enough, most of us here think you’re a 15 year old pussyboy trying to sound all tough on “the internets” from the crazy sheeyat you post.
by the way,
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 amhow are you doing coming up with the core principals of fascism for us?
Brownshirts.
We need to counter-protest the protesters. Health care rumble!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 amI shopped for a year for a doctor that was not a republican. I was difficult because none of them want to talk about it.
I finally found a list of democratic doctors in my area and am very satisfied with my care now. It’s nice to have someone who’s primary concern is now how much money they can make off of your health problem.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 amDon’t forget to counter poor little impotent PubertyCheck’s crusade of vote downs with vote ups.
It really upsets his little childish mind.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 amZooey, I wouldn’t know where to start. I suppose it would be best to start out at the beginning, explaining what each word means, but then you know RC would get confused really quickly and wander off to watch “50 Best and Worst Celebrity Beach Bodies” on E!
Of course, at least he’d be out of our hair.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 amRealityCheck
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 amWhat is with all the weird generalizations toward extreme ends? Do you have a not very well hidden agenda?
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ralph@51,
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:56 ami know that but, it’s my goal to be a pain in the troll’s ass and ride him like seabiscuit on the issue.
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We will give them hell until they cave!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am—
I have no idea who “we” is intended to refer to but my hunch is you won’t do shit but hang out here begging for negative attention…
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…and this differs with your clicking of the vote down HOW?
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August 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 amWhy don’t you tell me since you just did it a whole bunch of times?
Come on down to the ATL anytime you want to be educated in person, PubertyCheck. Unless, of course, you are too much of a coward (which would explain your right wing beliefs)
I’ll let my stepson handle you tho, wouldn’t want to swat a fly with a hammer.
Come on down anytime. I’m the guy on the big black motorcycle with the Obama “O” on the backrest. I’m easy to find, just check the show listings.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 amsooooooo, reality chump,
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 amsince you spent 20 years in a “very dangerous” profession “defending this country” how do you feel about the majority of cancervatives voting against the 21st century gi bill as “too generous”?
RealityChump, you said you were in the military. Were you in Iraq helping to defend their FREE PUBLIC HOSPITALS BUILT WITH US TAX DOLLARS?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 amConflicted in your value system again I see. I thought you were from the “law and order” party. What’s your problem with putting criminals in jail?
Oh, and as far as hiding behind monitors go. We don’t believe you were ever in the military, you saying it just don’t carry much weight. For you to do that and then call someone a pussy for something similar is revealing though. Keep talking.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think the real ‘mission’ here is to make elected officials so uncomfortable & wary that they cease public meetings.
Rabid Righties don’t want public discourse, because it shows them in the minority.
If they make enough ‘news & noise’, they’re perceived as the ones in power, or the ones on the right side of an issue.
I support the ideas of establishing ground rules prior to opening the meetings. That’s assuming, of course, that local law enforcement will be there to enforce said rules, which is a big assumption.
However, congresscritters are wimps. If they think town hall meetings will turn confrontational, they’ll most likely cancel the events.
Why is no one hanging Cheney in effigy?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 amRealityCheck:
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 amit is really easy to spell. It is just like it sounds. Are you gonna pussy out or are you going to engage in a nice little chat? Come on now. Show me you are more capable…
awwwwww, reality chump doesn’t want to play no more?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 amSO PubertyCheck is showing what a pussy he is. Trying to play keyboard commando.
It’s cute how he flails about.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 amshoeless says:
shoeless, we’re covering them over there so we don’t have to cover us over here.
PEACE
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 amOh it looks like the brave sir knight has to run away. Why does that always happen when I bump into RealityCheck?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 amAll walk’s of life with the exception of the top 2% are angry…Both side’s are now seeing the extreme benefit of a government gone wild during the dictatorship of the bush/cheney regime….If the polacies of the past administration are allowed to continue it will only get worse…The lack of accountability and allowing the guilty to continue to run free will surely be our down fall…
Hunger, lack of health care, depression and jobs shipped out of the country, endless war’s created against innocent countries are sapping all our ecanomic strength and reduced our country to nothing better than another banana republic with out the bananas…..
The reich is pissed because they lost a bit of their hold on our relegious dictatorship….Many on the left are near exploding for the long wait of turning the unjust rules back to a semblance of normalcy and the return of constitutional correctness….
Daily I see and am confronted with extremely angry people that don’t even know the real reason they are enraged….It’s the econemy. to many war’s, no job’s. loosing home’s and running out of benefit’s that have the masses near explosion and they are taking it out on their fellow man….
Allowing hate speech to continue unabated is just as bad as supporting our and Israels unjust war’s…With the heat of summer and all the crazy talk every where I expect to see mini riot’s all over the country…Time for President Obama to put the brake’s on or he will have a runaway train that our own military will have to handle right here instead of “over there”…We are living in troubled time’s brought to us compliments of the last administration and now is the time for him to stop the flowery speech’s and start arresting the guilty…..Keep your powder dry youngsters…..P, B & J
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 amHey Reality Check: GO CHOKE ON A TEABAG!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 amWow. That is some serious tea bag terminal dumb ass. GOP talking point parrots.
Polly want a cracker?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 amno, he cut and ran, as usual, once confronted with superior intellect
he can make threats, but he can’t back them up. what a coward.
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If these protesters were black people they’d have been arrested and would be awaiting trial. And some stupid fat hick like ReallySux would be saying there’s no racism and they should be convicted for inciting violence and disorderly conduct.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 amdb, it’s because your are dscariest of dlibs here.
I just flag (not just vote down) and ignore. RC’s ramping up it’s hate speech and needs to be banned.
PEACE
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 amLetting a Troll hijack a thread, imho, isn’t ‘winning’ anything.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
My question is, are these people getting paid by the astroturf organizers to show up at these things? Do they really believe what they’re saying? If they are doing it voluntarily, they are dupes. If a DC PR firm is giving unemployed truckers, machinists, moms, teachers, etc. (all of whom have NO health insurance) $20.00 so they can yell their heads off about “socialist health care”, they’re still dupes, but at least their desperation excuses it. For their sake, I hope they’re getting paid.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 amPubertyCheck thinks that playing Risk with his little sister counts as military experience.
He was wounded in 1989, that’s when the doctor dropped him on his head after extracting him from his mother’s uterus.
PubertyCheck is a poster child for abortion-on-demand: “warning, your child could turn out like this guy!”
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 amGood one. I would laugh if this whole thing wasn’t so sad.
Notice how the troll would not go anywhere near this issue. Sorry I keep bringing it up, but trolls are like puppies. You have to keep rubbing their nose in their own sh!t.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 amNothing like spinning a troll’s head until he commits a bannable offense.
Makes for good morning entertainment.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 amHmmmmmm, I think we’re having an affect on the troll. :-D
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 amhas nothing to do with you dstankass…you really think WAY TOO highly of yourself loser…pussy…pissant!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am—-
Than why not stick around and have a nice and polite little chat. It seems you only toss little ineffective volleys but turn down all opportunities to influence minds with your wisdom of the complex dynamics of the pressing issues of the day…
This kind of behavior during the previous administration was not allowed – you were instantly branded disloyal, traitorous, treasonous and summarily locked up.
That aside, I think the US should start a registry. Sign up if you don’t want the US Government involved your healthcare. From that point forward, you and your family will not be allowed to participate in any form of government aided healthcare AT ALL. No Medicare/Medicaid. And once they’ve decided to sign up, they have lost all right to reconsider and choose differently later.
Period. You want out? We’ll give you out.
Fargin’ Iceholes… (h/t to Johnny Dangerously)
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am83 PubertyCheck
1989?
You mean you got bitten by mosquitoes in Panama? Those are your battle scars? WHOA!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 amSo interesting that the f ucktard teabagger troll thinks he’s the only one over 25, the only one who has ever worked, and the only one who knows how to contact Reps and Senators.
Truly bizarre…
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 amRealityCheck says:
“Just one thing more for you Fred…I was wounded back in 1989…in the military…”
anal atrocities?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 amWhat’s really sad is that a lot of the people screaming and yelling would probably benefit by a government run health plan.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 amThey represent the classic definition of cutting off your nose despite your face. Morons.
Zooey, this troll is the result of the “everyone gets a trophy” generation. It thinks that just because it has a thought it must be true and it craves the recognition it got so used to on it’s T-ball team.
PEACE
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 amI guess if the members of congress can’t go meet with citizens because of these paid protesters making it too dangerous they should just stay in DC and work on the bill.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 amMom, a truly terrifying generation, to be sure.
*shudder*
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 amYou have to give the Republicans credit, they know how to play the white underclass like a well tuned fiddle. They should give their group a proper name. Here are my suggestions:
P uppets
O f
O bstructionis
R epublicans
or
W hites
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 amA gainst
S ingle
P ayor
Where was a conflict that you might have gotten injured in in 89? Mess hall?
1968 nam. Sucks to be you.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 amWow, look at that milling herd of angry, thwarted, endangered republicans. Note, they are screaming about a healthcare plan that has not even been finalized. Observe, how they have no comprehension that thier own health coverage is being chipped away by higher costs, at will. Watch them, as they offer no plan or answers to improve healthcare or cut costs. Yes, I must conclude by the behavior, there is approximately one firing nueron per person in the herd.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 amLook at these people … Do they REALLY think they won’t benefit from improved health care options?? Are they just automatons in a Borg-like machine that does whatever order to do by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh??
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 amThe people on the Levin video all look like they’re old enough to be on Medicare.
Why do those socialists hate America?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 amAs usual, the teabag heads miss the point. This is not about a incompetent Congress that is incapable of leading. It is a corrupt Congress that has more concern about their individual finances and re-election prospects than the concerns of those they are suppose to be representing.
Congress isn’t going to screw up healthcare reform because they are not intelligent enough to get it right. They are going to screw it up intentionally, because they are greedy and because they have legalized bribery through lobbyists, and because they spend millions to get re-elected that can only come from those with millions to give.
While the rightwing propaganda has this guy believing Congress is considering anything close to socialized medicine, or the most popular method of healthcare delivery outside of the US, present in the top ranking nations providing the best quality of healthcare worldwide according to the WHO, the reality is they intend to push through more corporate welfare and corporate friendly healthcare legislation that has nothing other than punitive intentions for the peasants.
Lobbyist reform and campaign finnance reform will have to preceed healthcare reform if it is meant to actually be useful to most of us.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 amRealityCheck: The greatest argument for strong mental health counseling in the new GI Bill.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 amUnreal Czech;
I voted up your #72 just so your stoopid post could get voted down again.
heh, heh,
ain’t I a stinker?
BTW: PROVE you were in the military. post your DD-214
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 amralph the wonder llama says:
Zooey, I wouldn’t know where to start. I suppose it would be best to start out at the beginning, explaining what each word means, but then you know RC would get confused really quickly and wander off to watch “50 Best and Worst Celebrity Beach Bodies” on E!
Of course, at least he’d be out of our hair.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Ugh. We should send flowers to all of his school teachers…or his mom. ;)
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 amSo RC, if you were wounded in the military in 1989, that means you were wounded in Operation Just Cause? The one where a superpower invaded a two-bit country? Or were you wounded coming home from a bar on a stateside base? Oh, and by 1989 I had my college degree for 12 years.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 amOk, where is the grass roots for support of health care reform? If ever there was a subject that I would think would cause a grass roots movement, this is it. But where is it? We need to organize people to go to these town halls and support a public option and health care reform.
It really pisses me off that the Democrats have allowed the Republicans, once again, to frame the reaction to an issue. You would think they would have learned by now. And where is President Obama? He seems strangely silent on this issue.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 amThe right-wing, or should I say the “white-wing,” cannot disrupt your phone calls, your letters or your e-mails. If they should ever return to power, they will be able to do so, all in the name of “national security.”
Please call, write or e-mail your congressional representatives.
By the way, Lou Dobbs is a moron.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 amSpencer’s mom says:
shoeless, we’re covering them over there so we don’t have to cover us over here.
Priceless!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 amevangenital says:
By the way, Lou Dobbs is a moron.
I still laugh…every single time ;)
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 amThese people are most likely being paid by the insurance companies and the RNC. They are just a bit too over the top. I have 100% faith that President Obama and the Democrats will prevail for the good of our country. These “protesters” are just a bunch of goons. This will not help their cause.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 amZooey says:
The people on the Levin video all look like they’re old enough to be on Medicare.
Why do those socialists hate America?
It would have been appropriate if some news person (if there are any left) would have asked them if they were willing to give up their Medicare. If they said “no”, then the news person could say “then you support socialized medicine”.
These old people were undoubtedly out there because they think that President Obama wants to kill them rather than give them health care.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 amTexas — land of idiots. We should save Austin and let them rest of ‘em just have their own damn country already.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 amAnd Bill Maher is being mocked for calling Americans stooopid . .
What don’t the people in Texas understand about ONE out of FOUR of them being UNinsured??
And this PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE idiocy is about what?? Makes them WHAT, unable to THINK???
Or are these lemmings more American than the rest of us who don’t sign our anthem every time we question a polician?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 amFolks we are dealing with the dumbest of the dumb. You have probably heard this already, but I post it to illustrate the hopelessness of attempting to deal with these mental midgets.
Health Care Realities
At a recent town hall meeting, a man stood up and told Representative Bob Inglis to “keep your government hands off my Medicare.” The congressman, a Republican from South Carolina, tried to explain that Medicare is already a government program — but the voter, Mr. Inglis said, “wasn’t having any of it.”
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 amThe GOP must be offering these people 10% more (in cash) than they get in their food stamps.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:38 amRepublicans have been very successful in getting people to vote against their self interest. I wonder how may people who opposed health care reform do not have health insurance.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:40 amI am Teflon. Hear me roar.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 amFred, I heard he put in for a Purple Heart after catching a shell fragment in his eye.
It was an eggshell fragment. At breakfast.
(Okay, I stole that from M*A*S*H.)
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 amtojby_2000 says:
The local radio station KLBJ-AM, (ironic, no?,) has been watering the weeds of hate for about 15 years and the results are spore pollution teabagger types.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
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Damn… Excellent use of metaphor, I must say.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 amwatchdung, where was your outrage when George W. Bush was rebuilding the socialist public national health care system in Iraq which gives free medical care to every Iraqi citizen?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 amLet’s see… disrupting public meetings with uniformed yelling points designed to stifle dialogue and preserve the interests of insurance companies…
versus
informed citizens protesting the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation…
Yep. They’re exactly the same.
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Aw, watchdung is upset because poor Donald Rumsfeld was scared by a couple of ladies in pink bras.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 amAccording to the precedent set by the Cambridge PD (and all American police, frankly), it’s against the law to shout. So arrest all those m-fers, now! Maybe they’ll get to a point where they can have a civil meeting. Doubt it.
I wonder what the politicians think. Do they see through the obvious ginned-up rabble-rousing, or do they think they are seeing their base, if they are Republican?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 amwatchdung, do you know that, if you worked during the past eight years, you helped pay for socialized medicine in Iraq.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 pmAll I can say is WOW- OH – WOW!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pmThe best part is this is exactly the type of behavior the right accuses the left of engaging in, instead of having any sort of public debate. I guess if you can’t win through reasoned debate the next best step is to release the Limbaugh zombie army. Talk about drinking Kool-Aid.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pmA lot of grey hair in that crowd. The reflection from all that wrinkled old white skin is blinding.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pmBoth. Except for the top 2% cynical rich a$$holess, all that is remaining of the GOP is ginned-up rabble.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pmwatchdog = mascot for the lunatic fringe
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pmI understand that you are willfully dumb so here it is.
enciting riots is not a protest.
A protest is for when your point of view is not being heard. The rioters have no shortage of fools to carry their message and so it’s not a protest, it’s encitment with the goal being to stop any exchange of ideas.
It’s a felony.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pmTracy__5 says:
http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
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Sweet!
If only there were some way of getting THAT Obama in the White House.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pmWow! A wingnut who actually acknowledged that he supported socialized medicine in Iraq! Don’t you know that you are supposed to ignore that fact?
So, you think it is fine for us to pay for socialized national health care for Iraqis, but you are against it for Americans.
Why do you love Iraqis and hate Americans?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pmLOL! What planet are these people from? If the corporate astroturfers told them poop tastes good they would probably believe that too.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 pmwatchdung, please explain why you wanted to pay for socialized medicine in Iraq.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 pmImagine the furor on the right had this type of ambush happened to Eric Can’tor, Batshit Bachman or that nitwit old hag from NC.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pmSen. Carl Levin (D-MI) was chased by a crowd saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Watch it:
They should be shouting “I pledge allegiance to the stupidity and venality of the Republican Party and the white elitist for which it stands.” These idiots are willing dupes of the hateful thugs that run the Rethuglican party and don’t give a damn for the welfare of we the people. Haven’t they read the Declaration of Independence? It’s “We, the people, in order to form a more perfect union”, not “We, the haters, in order to divide the American people”.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pmVideotaping and exposing these phonies is the way to go.
While Congress is on break, we all need to go to our local town hall meetings with a video camera and continue to expose them.
I have a far right winger representing my district. I’m going to bring my video camera to his next meeting and ask him if he is a birther. Should be fun.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pmYes, disruption is an interesting tactic. It is reminiscent of the Brownshirt tactic used against anyone else in the Weimar Republic, as well as the Fascisti against any democrats in Italy, and the Bolsheviks against the Mensheviks and Social Democrats during the Kerensky interegnum in Russia.
Whoever is launching this crap is playing with fire. It won’t take very much for this to turn to mob craziness, followed by the beating or lynching of a politician or two, and then there’ll be hell to pay.
Nice insurgency and sedition you’re starting there, rePublicrites. Sore loser much? Just remember, the revolution ALWAYS eats it’s own.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pmUPDATE Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) was chased by a crowd saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
Y’know, there’s a difference between Allegiance to your country, and blind Allegiance to the GOP.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pmnot just a difference, the two are mutually exclusive polar opposites
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins says:
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Ok, where is the grass roots for support of health care reform? If ever there was a subject that I would think would cause a grass roots movement, this is it. But where is it? We need to organize people to go to these town halls and support a public option and health care reform.
It really pisses me off that the Democrats have allowed the Republicans, once again, to frame the reaction to an issue. You would think they would have learned by now. And where is President Obama? He seems strangely silent on this issue.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm______________________________________________________________Go to Firedog Lake. They’re putting together a listing of the members of Congress and where the townhalls will be and asking progressives to show up to counter the wingnuts. Also check DKos.
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Texas — land of idiots. We should save Austin and let them rest of ‘em just have their own damn country already.
Hey tigger back off. Yes a majority of Texans voted for the McCain/Quitter ticket, but some of us not only voted for Obama/Biden and some of us campaigned for the Democratic Party. Please don’t lump us in with the idiots who voted republican.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:55 pmWhere’s the Iranian Police with you need them…these traitors need to be put down.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pmI don’t recall these dolts displaying this much anger over the Iraq war. It’s shocking the manufactured outrage over healthcare of all things. I bet these cretins are the ones without healthcare. What they are actually saying is they love the insurance industry denying coverage and bankrupting families because of astronomical high rates. The republicans could brain wash these angry ingrates to protest against oxygen.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pmTake a picture it’s the republican (Sarah Palin’s) base.
If inciting a riot is a felony, might I ask someone let me know what the maximum penalties are. I am curious because I want to know if that is long enough to remove them from society until after the 2012 election.
If you know your enemy is going to do a particular tactic, you can adapt your tactics to fit. How easy it would be to hire police protection and announce to each and every audience that anyone disrupting the proceedings will be arrested, charged and given the maximum penalty under law.
Then you just let them come to you. If they want to commit crimes, let them, but make sure they are held accountable.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pmLike clock work the republicans are winning the debate and defining the issue as the democrats cower.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pmStupid Americans are the republican base
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pmDarn, I thought watchdung was finally going to explain to me why right-wing Republicans like paying for socialized national health care in Iraq.
Does anyone remember if the Iraqis rioted when George W. Bush started paying for their free health care?
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 pmI’m having nightmarish flashbacks of the 2000 election after watching that video.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pmRep. Doggett should have helped those people. They don’t even know that they are trapped by a socialized government health care plan. He should have had his staffers take each of their names and gone back to Washington to have them removed from the Medicare roles, so they could finally be free.
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upright left says:
The right wing response to liberal protestors. How times have changed.
I understand that you are willfully dumb so here it is.
enciting riots is not a protest.
A protest is for when your point of view is not being heard. The rioters have no shortage of fools to carry their message and so it’s not a protest, it’s encitment with the goal being to stop any exchange of ideas.
It’s a felony.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
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Fred, I apologize if there was any violence or encouragement of violence in those videos that I missed. All I heard was shouting and chanting. Annoying certainly, especially when it prevents others from hearing the speaker. But I didn’t see or hear anything that approached inciting a riot. Those who would prevent others from listening to a speaker should be removed, whether they are protesting war or the passage of a bill that they believe is bad for the country and/or fails to solve the problem to which it relates. I support the healthcare bill with the public option. Those people are expressing their point of view and have every right to do so in the appropriate place, even though you feel that their message is expressed well enough. Would you allow those people to decide when the liberal message is getting enough play to determine whether liberals are allowed to protest?
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pmDO NOT DISMISS THIS! This is exactly how they disrupted the vote count in Florida and stole the election. They are thugs. They need to be treated as such and combated as such. We cannot let this stand.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pmOnly thing these people are angry about is losing the election.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pmBeware the power of stupid people in large groups! I think that we need to know who they are and who is paying and transporting them. Hmmm…could it be United Health Care? Blue Cross? the RNC? It smells a bit contrived and rehearsed.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pmHalf of these idiots are obviously medicare recepients. How pathetic and selfish they are. I wonder how many are sent and paid for by lobbying groups and I wonder how many are young republicans…like the ones who chanted during the 2000 gore v bush vote recount. Nothing is too low for these wingnuts to stoop to. Disgusting.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pmRepublicans are criminals. They have created a C-street crime family and we need to start encarcerating these modern American mafia madmen.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pmI’ve read a few of RealityCheck’s comments and from those writings I’ve come to the conclusion he’s really a 14 year old adolescent….sitting in his mom’s dark basement and ranting because he’s never seen combat, never worked for a living and the biggest coward by accusing others of exactly what he’s doing. Pathetic troll.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pmIf we ever get a public option, I trust these teabagger sheep will cling onto their private insurance or refuse to even consider the public option if they don’t have insurance…
four legs good, two legs BETTER, four legs good, two legs BETTER!
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 pmRemember when you were in school trying to learn how to solve those tricky math problems, or trying to review for the big test, and there was always one or two idiots who continually disrupted the learning by shooting spit wads at other kids…
The health insurance industry, with the full support of the GOP, has decided that the best way to prevent the public from learning what actually is and is not in the various reform proposals is to send groups of people to the town hall meetings and have them act like the “spit wad patrol”.
Remember the 4 D’s of the Republican strategy during the Obama years: Delay, Distract, Distort, Deceive.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pmWhat sort of Obama would you want Tracist? One who was an old white guy?
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pmHow much proof do we need that Republicans are mental cases?
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:14 pmRemember the good old days when Bush had “no protest” zones and citizens had to get 2 blocks away? I do, I was there in Washington when police on horses ran us off the sidewalk and we were even across the street.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:25 pmAh, jackboot thugs, where are they when you need them?
I’m not saying Tracy_5 is a mental case, but he has an invisible black friend.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Jesus those people are nuts.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmAnd afraid.
So afraid of the negro in the White House.
Tracist thinks he knows what a majority of Americans want.
I wonder if he knows that a majority of Americans support the health care reform principles that the President proposes:
Sixty-three percent said they would support providing health-care coverage for all Americans, even if the government had to subsidize those who could not afford it. Fifty-six percent said they supported a “public health insurance option” to compete with private plans. Fifty-seven percent support raising taxes on those with annual incomes over $280,000 to pay for the plan.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmLevi,
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pmI don’t like the misuse of the word Mafia thugs…these are predominately the same white angry men, and their stepford, shrew wives. I’m American-Italian and I resemble that remark!!
I don’t think the Dems and Obama have cranked up the PR machine yet. I would expect that it will start soon and by the time Congress votes, ads for both sides will be all over the media.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pmPeople have a right to protest whatever they want. I protest against insurance companies axing people because they are sick. And at times, during the war in Iraq, I wanted to shout too, that it was an immoral and dumb war. But the mob energy of these people, their ultra-nationalism, their lack of education about the issues, the reactionary shout others down behavior that ignores not only facts but disregards human suffering, is very disturbing.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pmFirst, why the quotation marks around “representatives”? Are you implying that your Congressman is NOT your “representative”?
Or are you simply complaining because your Congressman pays more attention to corporate lobbyists than to individual voters?
But beyond that, yeah, you certainly SOUND “centrist”. Everyone knows that “centrist independents” view liberals as “so FAR LEFT as to think that Lenin had the right idea”.
I’m being sarcastic, by the way. In fact, you actually sound like the kind of people whose views are hard right, but because they are incapable of viewing others opinions are legitimate, see themselves as “the middle ground”.
I’m just saying… that’s how your comments SOUND.
Uh huh.
“Loyal opposition”. That’s what you call folks who disrupt town hall meetings and shout down elected officials — which coincidentally follows an explicit script provided by the “Loyal Opposition” Republicans who seek to keep the health insurance system pretty much intact, in the face of widespread public dissatisfaction.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pmProtest is one thing, but treating congressmen and politicians like they were heel wrestlers is something that really irks me. This is a town hall meeting, not a hockey game. I do want intelligent discussion and facts at these organizations, not jeers from EITHER side of the fence at EITHER side of the aisle.
I don’t like vitriol, period. I believe we can work things out without the need to shout over each other.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pmWell said.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pmI find the vitriol of your readers somewhat disconcerting. There is a difference between loyal opposition and jack-booted hatred and intolerance.
Like it was different when liberals were called anti-american for opposing Bush’s War. Seems this concerned independent is pretty picky on what and when to be concerned.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pmOk, if it’s no then its no.
We’ll just say no to the morons in this video when we’re passing out the free health care.
We’ll just say NO.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pmHow come it is the repubs who organize these hit squads when it is the repubs who also screen out dems from attending public meetings (although the dems don’t have this mentality of forming groups to disrupt just to disrupt) ?
How come it is the repubs who don’t allow civil discourse ?
How come it is the repubs who are attempting to bring an end to our particitative form of govt ?
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pmDolfina says:
Levi,
I don’t like the misuse of the word Mafia thugs…these are predominately the same white angry men, and their stepford, shrew wives.
These were a bunch of fat, out of shape soccer moms and what looked like a clone batch of my grandparents.
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Who’s afraid of these crowds?
Bus in the Baltimore Ravens defense to meet them and trust me, they’ll go away.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pmMust be some Democrats at these town hall meetings. Except for Specter they are all Dems to begin with. Well, he was originally a Dem, then a Repub, now a Dem. Still an a-hole.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pmWAYNEBRO says:
Who’s afraid of these crowds?
Bus in the Baltimore Ravens defense to meet them and trust me, they’ll go away.
Sadly, that is not the way I want these crowds dispelled. I think we’re underestimating the consequences that a major scuffle at one of these meetings would bring, especially if the media blew up surrounding footage from one.
I am proud to be part of a democracy where disagreements in Congress, as far as I know, don’t escalate into fisticuffs. I hope and pray that the town hall meetings don’t turn into unrest either.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 pmHi ConcernedIndependent:
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pmTotally off topic but I was wondering if you are an active community involved Independent. Do you actively work for the party and did you vote for Barr? The reason I ask is because often I hear people use the independent label in different ways. Thanks
GOP – now the party of goons
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pmI’ve watched these clips and the opposition seems to be orchestrated and non-spontaneous as the previously leaked memos indicated.
It’s interesting how instead of coming up with a coherent platform that resonates with mainstream America, campaigning competently and winning elections or providing a realistic alternative to be debated, the increasingly fringe dominated, under educated, uninformed Republican Party adherents have to resort to Brown Shirt tactics because they are unable to win the support of most Americans.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pmI suppose it would be too much to ask for a bulleted list of proven dishonesties…
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pmSadly its just that sort of passive over cautious thinking that permits republican crowds to run roughshot over the democrats every time.
You don’t beat bully’s by running from them.
You know history, right? You ever heard of a little party called the Nazi’s? They did the same thing. Brought in crowds to the beer halls to shout down democratic speakers and to bully and intimidate any leftists in the crowd.
And the leftists chose your method.
And look where it got them.
You want to beat the republicans? Bus in a bunch of angry libs from the inner cities who have a real stake in this and watch these fat, jello eating soccer moms and their Joe the plumber cuckolds run for the hills.
THATS how you win.
Not by shying away because you’re afraid of a confrontation.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pmconcerned independent.
“not everyone who dares disagree with the “Obamacare” plan is a Rightist obstructionist. ”
Well your numbers are a sparse minority and are unable to distinguish yourself from the rest, especially while using tired worn-out hard right terminology like “obamacare.”
You better go back to grade school history because he isn’t signing anything that your “accountable” representatives don’t put in front of him. So put your misconceptions, memorized talking points, and buzzwords like “chicago style politics” in check because the president is far more bipartisan (to a fault) then his predecessor could even aspire to be.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm182 ConcernedIndependent,
The reason there is so much vitriol is because we are fighting to preserve America from the fascist theocratic Republicans. They deserve nothing but vitriol.
How sick it is that you come here pretending to be independent when you are anything but. Independents are flocking away from the Republican Party in droves. You are mostly likely too ashamed to call yourself a Republican, because, even though you won’t admit it, you have recognized Republicans are fascist theocrats.
Your name is really the giveaway. You are a concern troll, nothing more. You are pretending to be independent because you want to brainwash real independents to your propagandized talking points.
Here’s a news flash for you, the fascist theocratic Republicans have awakened a sleeping giant, and it’s vengeance will be terrible.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:21 pmIf this is what the response of radical right wingers on a black man being president, I can assure you, whenever if any Republican Party in power, you will get tit for tat response. And None of the legislation will moved through congress and Senate. And there will be demonstration on each and every corner of the blocks..
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:21 pmRemember they pulled the same thing in 2000 election in Florida..
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:24 pmAll this does is make people look insane. Remember when Eric Cantor thought he would try and score points by having his dimwitted minions harass Democratic House members on the floor? That backfired because they just looked rude and bizarre. This will backfire because these people just look dangerous and insane.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 pmThe best way to shut down these astroturf protests is for the Congressman to ask each and every person yelling for their id’s to be checked to see if they live in his/her district. Once they are shown to be non-residents, the people who are going to the town hall meetings will get the message. These should be covered by the MSM so that these protesters are put on the spot when the media asks for their id’s.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmHere is the report in our local paper:
Witnesses said that when Doggett was asked whether he would support the plan even if he found that his constituents opposed it, Doggett said he would. People then began chanting “just say no” and overwhelmed the congressman as he moved through the crowd and into the parking lot.
I guess Representative Doggett forgot who he represents.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 pmI reckon that there aren’t that many buses in rural PA?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pmIs an angry protest really a peaceful protest?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pmNice to see the no-longer-silent majority stand up and speak out.
Wow! I never really thought much about conservative talk shows when they portrayed the Left as “vicious.” After reading some of these posts, I might tend to agree.
I used to be a Repugnacan. Now I’m Independent. I can’t say that I agree with any these posts.
We absolutely need to reform our health care system. Any country as wealth as ous should be able to provide basic health insurance for its citizens. However….
We absolutely cannot let Government control this. If you truly believe that Government can provide affordable healthcare without sacrificing quality or rationing it, you are naive. Every legitimate study regarding how to pay for it shows that it’ll have to be rationed or taxes will have to go up dramatically to fully fund it. Add to that the inability to efficiently deliver anything, and I have no doubt that the private sector can do it better.
We absolutely cannot let Insurance companies control this. Insurance companies cannot be trusted to regulate themselves nor can they escape the profit motive. Moreover, Greed at the top of these companies has to be addressed. People becoming insanely rich under the guise of providing health care cannot be tolerated. Given that, I have no doubt that the Government can do it better.
Anyone with any practical solutions?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pmHa ha ha! This from the dumbass who thought Bush was honest.
Something tells me you would never consider a black man to be honest. But, you will believe any lie from a a rich white guy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pmDo you take the bus to work from rural PA to Dallas every day?
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmI can’t stop laughing at Tracist, the pathological liar, saying he wants an honest Obama. When people do speak the truth to Tracist, he doesn’t understand them, because he lives for lies.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:02 pmThere are a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis who would dispute that claim.
Also, when you go on that family vacation, avoid the interstate highways, because they cannot deliver you to your destination efficiently.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pmShoeless,
Thanks for proving my point. If the stated goal was to deliver “democracy” to Iraq, it has been delivered inefficiently.
As for the interstate system, I’ll have to eat crow on that one. While the bulk of them were built in a more fiscally responsible time, government does tend to manage those infrastructure projects adequately.
That said, why doesn’t the Left use that as an example of haw Government can be effective. All people hear is how the post office is run badly, how Amtrak is a complete failure, how inefficiently the VA provides medical care etc…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pmWhat is happening in the US reminds me of the powerful and negative role the media played in the Rwandan genocide.There’s absolutely no difference!In America today people are being encouraged by some certain media into some form of an uprising against the “evil” liberals thereby leaving absolutely no room for any form of discussion or dialogue.This unfortunate trend needs to be nipped in the bud.Beware!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 pmBush made that sh!t up after no weapons of mass destruction were found. I was talking about the US military being very efficient in delivering ordinance, not Bush’s lies.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pmHeard on the radio today, that these “screamers” were hired by the insurance industry to make noise at these town halls. The people that are interested in health care reform should stand up and block the “screamers” view. It’s time to stop being polite.
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Wrong again. Actually the post office is very efficient. If it were not, UPS and Fed Ex rates would skyrocket.
The VA is very good at providing medical care. My father and brother love the VA. The only problem is that Republicans have consistantly underfunded the VA so there is a backlog for enrollment.
None of your examples of government inefficiency hold water. They are just right-wing myths.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pmTracy, what is your point? God you are stupid. The interstate highways are a perfect example of socialism, and are funded by the federal government.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pmshoeless says:
Amtrak is a failure because it is not a high speed railline. High speed raillines are very successful in Europe.
Why do you think we are too dumb to do something the Europeans can do?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pmNot only would they show Tracy, but your white bread overweight sausage eating redneck hoard would run back to the safety of the hills with their tails between their legs.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pmMost of those people look old enough to be on Medicare (let alone having the time to stalk congressmen.) Are they like the idiot who told Rep. Robert Inglis (R-S.C.) to ‘keep your government hands off my Medicare’ and refused to believe it when Rep. Inglis told him Medicare WAS a government program?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pmGeithner and Summers sidestepped questions on Obama’s intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to reduce the federal deficit; Summers said Obama’s proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.
“There is a lot that can happen over time,” Summers said, adding that the administration believes “it is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out, no matter what.”
During his presidential campaign, Obama pledged “you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime” and repeatedly said middle-class families would not be effected.
But the simple reality remains that his ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care — promised without increasing the federal deficit — must be paid for.
What is the truth?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pmThe truth is that the working class would still be paying (even more than they already do) for those like the woman who just had octuplets, who could not even support the kids she already had.
Which working class includes all races of people
no_typin_randy says:
Cut-n-pastin randy!
http://cbs5.com/national/geithner.summers.deficit.2.1112392.html
Where’s the citation, randy?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pmAnyone with any practical solutions?
Look at Germany, France, Japan and EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD for some tips…
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pmI was at the Philadelphia town hall meeting. I wasn’t aware this was going on and frankly I was stunned at the rude behavior of the tea bagger crowd. Many were seniors who are already recipients of socialized medicine a/k/a Medicare.
They did their best to take over the meeting. They shouted down opposing or even alternate viewpoints both from the speakers and from questioners. At various times, they raised their signs and their fists in unison. When it was time to say the Pledge of the Allegiance, they yelled UNDER GOD at the top of their lungs.
I was very troubled when I left because they were NOT the majority even though they did their best to look bigger than they actually were.
My suspicions that this was orchestrated were supported after reading this http://bit.ly/1902Aa
After reflecting, I realized their actions were reminiscent of the Brownshirts.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pmIf you watch the whole Specter video you will see this was only a brief outburst by maybe 10 our of hundreds of people but of course the little snippet is the only thing that get’s airplay.
Doggett said on MSNBC that this only happened at the very end of an hour long town hall. He said he talked to some of them afterwards and they also want to kill and privatize Medicare/Medicaid.
Maher is absolutely right. If we don’t fight this astroturf nonsense it will grow like crab grass.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pmWhere’s the citation, randy?
The internet police are probably still writing the citation.
I’m a moron who doesn’t know crap about a computer, much less how to add that link.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:52 pmNo, I have to disagree with eyeswideopen1. I was at the Philadelphia meeting. The teabaggers were disruptive throughout the event.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:53 pmI’m a moron who doesn’t know crap about a computer, much less how to add that link.
Okay.
But can you use a computer to research these things? ’cause every other industrialized nation in the world has universal coverage of some type… and none pay as much as we do for that care… why?
All provide universal coverage.
None pay as much as we do.
Let it sink in. That’s the truth.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pmright-wing Republicans think that Americans are too stupid to make socialized medicine work, even thought the French have no problem doing it.
Why do Republicans think the French are so much smarter than Americans?
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pmAll provide universal coverage.
None pay as much as we do.
That is because of greed! And here the bottom line is the almighty dollar, how much insurance companies/executives can make off of the people who need care.
My true concern here is rushing legislation that may not be in the best interest of the people.
Having said that, there is legislation that can be rushed, such as requiring hospitals/doctors to treat all sick people and dealing with the overall plan in a period of time that allows for a well-planned fix to the system.
Furthermore to that same, the laws of supply and demand should be understood and be considered, perhaps to train more doctors and establish additional hospitals, rather than to limit the number and social status of those who now have access to medical school.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pmThat is because of greed! And here the bottom line is the almighty dollar, how much insurance companies/executives can make off of the people who need care.
Agreed.
Having said that, there is legislation that can be rushed, such as requiring hospitals/doctors to treat all sick people and dealing with the overall plan in a period of time that allows for a well-planned fix to the system.
Emergency Rooms are already required to treat all comers… it is the MOST expensive and LEAST effective way of dealing with treatment… and part of the reason our costs are so high.
Furthermore to that same, the laws of supply and demand should be understood and be considered, perhaps to train more doctors and establish additional hospitals, rather than to limit the number and social status of those who now have access to medical school.
Great! Where’s the money gonna come from for that if not the federal government? As you’ve already pointed out, Insurance Companies are quite happy with the status quo… to the detriment of the people.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pmAmazing what radical left moonbats call anyone that doesn’t agree with their views. “Brownshirts”, “hicks” “KKK member” – wow – where is the diversity? No to socialized medical and NO to everything obama (small o small man in a cheap suit). If you are offended by the login name – it’s the messiah’s verbage – not mine. November 2012 we take back congress and make ohb a lame duck…..
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pmtypical_white_person says:
Why do we pay more for worse coverage than every other industrialized nation in the world?
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 pmThese people are “DANGEROUS”, and most of all “STUPID”.
The Democratic Congressman, need Protection from this pack “CRAZY FOOLS”. On more people who back the Health Care Reform, should come to those Town Hall Meeting, and take thes Fools head on.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pmPeople have a right to protest when officials speak at meetings with the public. Don’t we do the same thing when we protest the war, animal cruelty or other injustices. Just because Republicans are trying to shoot this down, doesn’t mean that we have to necessarily support it. People are afraid that something they rely on for their life and health will be changed and made worse. They are angry that legislation is being pushed through too quickly and that the financing figures are suspect.
Calling them redneck idiots won’t make the situation any better.
Jeff
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:04 pmJust because Republicans are trying to shoot this down, doesn’t mean that we have to necessarily support it.
Agreed, but that’s not why I support it… nor have I ever said that’s why I support health care reform.
I support health care reform because we pay more and receive less coverage than every other industrialized nation on earth… as I’ve repeatedly said.
Strawman arguments like ‘Just because Republicans are trying to shoot this down, doesn’t mean that we have to necessarily support it.’ won’t make the situation any better.
Caleb
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:08 pmAhhhh, the “tolerant” liberal left,
All the stereotypes about people that are right of center are being preached and accepted here as Gospel. You people never cease to amaze me.
When the left was protesting Bush and the War and everything else under the sun it was an act of patriotism. Th right does it and it’s an act of terror. LOL, I think if you people had your way you wouldn’t complain a bit if our civil rights were being violated. I don’t think you would have a problem sending us to reeducation camps. I think the left has lost touch with freedom of speech and liberty and they’re hell bent on imposing their radical agenda on the whole country.
My best friend for 20 years was a self proclaimed liberal. Our friendship ended after the election of The Messiah. I will tell you this much: this country is heading for a social disaster that will probably end up splitting the country in two. You may think we are cowards, that we won’t fight, that you can do whatever you like to us, however, briefly you remain in power–but you will find that you can only push us so far. I would rather die than live in a socialist utopia. I think political dissolution is the only recourse at this point.
I’m no longer a Republican or a Conservative but an out and out Secessionist. We don’t want you Cap and Trade; your government run, rationed health care; your huge government spending spree that is so bad that it makes George Bush look like a fiscal Conservative; we don’t want your bail outs and your nationalization of banks and other private sectors;nor your crony Capitalism and rewarding of political contributors with our tax dollars; we don’t want your excessive taxes and sin taxes and income taxes and social and medicare taxes while the moochers that vote for you sit on their asses and collect a free check from the people that actually work in this country; and we don’t want to pass the trillions of dollars in debt to our kids that we and our politicians are running up so we can live high on the hog at the expense of future generations.
You believe you can impose this on us. I will tell you right now you’re wrong and the breaking point is near. If you continue down this path you will find it filled with land mines from here to Washington.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:25 pmwhteshark says:
Why do you think that France, Germany, Japan and EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD are able to provide universal coverage and we are not?
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pmWhiteshark,
You are not some kind of independent as you claim. You are just another poser fascist theocrat Republican slime. You threaten violence and secessionism if America is not run the way a shrinking minority thinks it should be run.
You are a traitor to your nation. You either need a reeducation camp, or you are a paid shill.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmHere scumbag, let me clear it up for you.
We were protesting an illegal war.
You’re protesting getting medical care as one of the services we get in exchange for paying taxes.
:|
Clear it up any dumbass?
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmWHO THE F#$(%^(CK IS TALKING ABOUT RATIONING OTHER THAN OBSTRUCTIONISTS!?!?!?!
Proof you don’t know what you are attacking. And what is proclaiming independance the flavor of the week? You still use right sided lingo so I cant tell you apart as obstructionists.
There, how does your label feel? You seem to have no problem doing it to anyone else.
At no point does bringing people who are the healthiest and use the least care into a government insurance pool constitute rationing. To the contrary, institutions save money when they insure the least risk patients. AKA public plan making money insuring younger patients who need less care than higher risk patients.
Or does the conservative phony outrage over the defecit only matter when it’s popular?
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm______
austininc4 says:
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These people are “DANGEROUS”, and most of all “STUPID”.
The Democratic Congressman, need Protection from this pack “CRAZY FOOLS”. On more people who back the Health Care Reform, should come to those Town Hall Meeting, and take thes Fools head on.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
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How are they dangerous? Did they threaten anyone in any way or encourage anyone to be violent or destructive?
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 pmAll these comments from people who advocate protest at military funerals. think it is ok. that a homeland security sec. calls iraq war vets. a danger to our country and protest everything from the war to animal rights. If you want all this socialism then pony up and pay more taxes and get all you want. I’ll gladly give up my social security and medicare when they stop tellimg me I have to pay for it and give it all back.Then you can move to the liberal land of california where they need your money and extreme wisdom because democratic policy has broke the state.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:28 pmWe already pay taxes.
We already get services for those taxes.
Leave it to the republicans to find a group of people so dirt dumb ignorant as to protest against getting one more service in exchange for paying taxes.
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Stupidity is the number one resource of the RNC.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm257 is a troll. Enough said.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pm“hmmm…lemme see…… I could continue to pay taxes and get the services I already get….or …………..I could continue pay taxes and get health care.
Gee…..I’ll choose “A” Monty…..”
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Stupidity.
The golden beer of republican kings.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:37 pmHow are they dangerous? Did they threaten anyone in any way or encourage anyone to be violent or destructive?
Here UL, let me help.
whteshark says:
and
and this story…
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/08/03/whats_not_on_fox_news_and_fox_nation_possible_domestic_terrorism.php
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” Thomas Jefferson
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 pmI have not seen any comments from anyone that advocates protesting at military funerals. I guess when you are a fascist theocrat Republican, you have to make things up to support your point of view, just like FOX News.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:54 pm“To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.” –Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 pmEveryone one here is so intelligent with their mean down grading comments and empty threats, Read Bill HR3200, (the house proposal).Even just the first 100 pages. I guarantee your head will spill with all the double talk and union protectionism. Example: HC coverage in collective bargaining will not be effected and can keep the same coverage. (favor for the Unions and all government employees)
Small Business with payroll over $400,000 must provide HC or get taxed 8% of Payroll, Businesses with Payroll of $250,000 up to $400,000 with be taxed 4-6% of payroll for not providing HC, Individuals who don’t have Government MANDATED coverage or level of coverage the Government deems except able, will pay a 2.6% tax for non compliance…(then goes to say that this will not be referred to as an actual “tax”) Does that mean that the IRS is not involved with the HC compliance?? Guess who collects this “non tax”?? Organized Community groups..ACORN anyone?? Another Pay back.
We could go on for hours,
The Public plan IS NOT AN OPTION.
We must reform existing Private HC and Medicare/Medicaid. Stop the waste tighter restrictions on medicare,Caps on lawsuits,The core of the rising health care costs.
Read HR3200, then speak. By the way, wait to you get to the section about sharing financial as well as health related information, to be readily available to ALL government HC employees. (and you made such a big deal out of a few wiretaps) how about having your heath issues sprawled throughout the internet??? HIV, STD’s, etc…
You be yelling too.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 pmfwc,
That is why we voted the Republicans out of power. Democrats are far more conservative fiscally than Republicans.
Now if we could just get Obama to tax the profits of those that make more than $250,000 a year at a rate of about 90% to bail us out of the Debt created by the Republicans.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmfwc011 says:
“To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.
No dumb ass. It’s like this.
You already pay taxes.
You can continue to pay taxes, and get only the services you now get in exchange for those taxes.
Or, you can continue to pay taxes and get the services you now get in exchange for those taxes plus health care.
:|
Grow a brain.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pmRealChange says:
Everyone one here is so intelligent with their mean down grading comments and empty threats
Again I ask…
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pmWhy do you think that France, Germany, Japan and EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD are able to provide universal coverage and we are not?
RealChange,
You are just a wingnut troll spreading propaganda. Americans voted Republicans out of power because we don’t trust them anymore, and we don’t trust anything you say.
You can lie all you want, but the time of the Republicans is over. You can’t propagandize your way back to power no matter how many sockpuppets you use.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:10 pmHey Bettleboy
….Thank your for the complement… You just proved two things 1.You didn’t read the Bill 2.That makes YOU the REAL puppet.
You shouldn’t post if you are not informed on the topic.
Good day!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:24 pmHey realchange… you didn’t answer my question!
Surprising.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 pmPeople have protested government actions forever, politicians haven’t listened to constituents forever. Suddenly it isn’t right, politicians need protection? Get real. It isn’t inciting to riot, it is an expression of opinion.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pmRealitychek says:
Ever heard of ‘Free Speech Zones?’
I’m against ‘em.
You know who used the EVERYWHERE he spoke? Bush.
Just sayin’
Hey- while I’ve go you here, can I ask ya a question?
Why do you think that France, Germany, Japan and EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD are able to provide universal coverage and we are not?
Thanks.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 pmWAYNEBRO says:
No dumb ass. It’s like this.
You already pay taxes.
You can continue to pay taxes, and get only the services you now get in exchange for those taxes.
Or, you can continue to pay taxes and get the services you now get in exchange for those taxes plus health care.
And I bet you really believe that, too.
Do you actually believe you will get something for nothing from the GOVERNMENT???
That goes against everything that has ever happened in D.C., it siphons money at an astounding rate and doesn’t return it. Democratic, Republican administrations, they don’t give more than they take in, they don’t know how, it’s not part of their ideology.
Why did Obama call the head of the CBO into his office after their health care costs were released?
Because they prove you don’t get something for nothing.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 pmlacca,
Sorry, missed that. Name one government agency that can STAY in budget and not go broke? US Postal Service is the latest to tank. Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac?? NASA? Too many hands in to many pockets. The Bill HR3200 provides coverage for illegal immigrants, who aren’t even US citizens. Why??
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 pmIt would be like starting a Business from scratch. Yes we have medicare , with no monitors whatsoever. You can make 5 appointment for the same thing with 5 different doctors and get it covered with no questions asked.Sublet a privite for profit co. to do it and it will get done, no waste. Yes people will make money , but so whay isn’t that what its all about? More Profit = More taxes = more $$ for our Government.
Why should it be free?? It’s not a Constitional Right to have HC.
Thanks
Well, you still didn’t answer my question. Why do you think that every other industrialized nation in the world is able to provide universal coverage and do it for less money than we spend on inadequate coverage?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 pmWhat are they so afraid of? Who’s scaring them?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 pmMaybe we can tax the right to protest. We can then pay for healthcare and get rid of these bozos at the same time!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 pmI have one big question to ask… “What’s the hurry Mr. President” If this healthcare bill is going to be so good for so long, for so many people, why hurry? Take your time to get it right? NO! RUSH it through before anyone can get a good look at all the FINE PRINT, to see how SCREWED we will all be IF it ever goes through.
Are all of you people nuts? Has anyone here that supports this healthcare “death tax” actually seen what it will do to our future and the HEAVY taxes that WE will all have to pay?
Have you seen how in the President’s health care plan that a “counseling” session is required for senior citizens every 5 years to better understand their options to refuse health care and end their lives earlier for the sake of society? This is also required if diagnosed for cancer at any time. WOW?!
Also, half of the bill is funded by $500 Billion in cuts for Senior care, only 1% goes towards fraud protection.
New York Post
July 24, 2009 –
THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They’d decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.
Yet at least two of President Obama’s top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.
Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.
Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. “Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely ‘lipstick’ cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change,” he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).
Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others” (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).
…
The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years. Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president’s budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn’t be accountable to the public.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pmThe right seems to be following the playbook of the left. I guess the only things remaining are the destruction of personal property and lawsuits. I can see why liberals are upset, no one likes it when their tactics are used against them.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm“tjoseph2000 says:
Maybe we can tax the right to protest. We can then pay for healthcare and get rid of these bozos at the same time!”
Fantastic idea. Think of all the taxes acorn will have to pay.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 pmIf you get health care in exchange for taxes then you’re not getting “something for nothing”.
Paying taxes is not nothing.
Once more dumbass, grow a brain.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pmAnd after the political prostitutes you idiots put into office get done picking any bill we do get down to nothing to where it’s sure to not do any good, I’m sure what we get will be “nothing”.
The last thing your masters want is any sort of effective health care legislation being passed on a democrats watch.
Your leaders are working against America, and they’re doing so with the power of your collective stupidity.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 pmIacca,
They don’t have all the same rules and regulations, as we do.
Like I said, Bigger government payroll, Bigger retirement packages, etc.. it will never end..Union demands pay hikes, we give too many perks for no reasons… Read the bill they will call the shots of who get what…
I for one have adequate coverage, it should be priority one if you have a family, I would take less pay to have HC, and pay in for the coverage I want and need. But, don’t tell me what I need, that is up to the individual and his or her circumstances. Off the 47 mill. that are uninsured, 15 mill. are illegals, 15 -17 mill. can afford it but, CHOOSE not to Ages 24-32 just out of college or singles make up most of this group, then there are 2 mill. that are in our Prisons that have no coverage, states subsidize this. 2 mill. just lost their jobs in this economic recession and lack coverage, it is reported that millions more either qualify for State coverage CHIP or Medicare but don’t seek it out or don’t know how to go about it. Do the math, there should not be ANY child without coverage in our current system, parents just opt. out or don’t pursue it. Even our local schools provide flu shots and dental check ups as well as other tests for free if you can’t afford a doctor. No one gets turned away.
Why not sure up the existing system Co ops, community group plans etc. and take it from there the numbers don’t lie only the politicians.
Good nite
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 pmOnce more dumbass.
You can continue to pay taxes and get the services you now get in exchange for those taxes.
Or you can continue to pay taxes and get the services you now get, plus health care.
Grow a brain.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm“Your leaders” Really?
All of those in Washington that are Senators, Representatives, and the President of the USA are ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES of the PEOPLE of The USA.
Many great thinkers of the past, and now the present, have thought that Government should be kept under control of the people, not vice versa. By continually ceding your rights and more power to the Federal government you are giving away your rights, hoping that “Big Brother” will take care of you, and slowly dipping into the false promise of Socialism, Communism, and the failings that all of those governments have for the masses of people that are kept under their thumb.
Man will ultimately be governed by God or tyrants.
Benjamin Franklin
A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.
Gerald Ford
Instead of the function of governing, for which it is radically unfit, the proper office of a representative assembly is to watch and control the government.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 pmJohn Stuart Mill
Waynebro. YOU need to grow a brain as you keep telling others. Do you seriously think that just by continuing to pay more taxes that this will take care of things? It won’t. Read the statistics given above, look them up, do the math, do the research and THINK FOR YOURSELF you lemming.
Why are you so sure that the Government will make sure you get good coverage? No other Government in the world does this, and the USA is currently doing a TERRIBLE job of running Medicare and Medicaid. Based on those horrible examples why do you think that this will be SO MUCH better?
Wake up and smell the stench of this bill and all the total horse flop of Marketing that is coming from The President of the United States and all his cronies. Ask yourself this, why has Obama appointed so many “Czars” (nice choice of term eh? Communist term of TOTAL POWER) who only report to him and no other elected official??
You’re very naive with a lot of poorly informed opinions.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 pmWho invited all of the trolls? :|
I predict that these town-hall meetings will run their course very soon as more and more events like this occur. It will be a loss for the citizens hoping not to manipulate them, as they in theory were a nice option to voice rational concerns to the powers that be.
Instead, we get ‘baby juice and dead kidneys’.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 pmYou don’t have the brain power to speak to me troll.
And yes, we can spend our money on what we chose dumb ass.
If you had half a brain you’d know that the Trillion we’ve spent on illegal wars could easily cover us for years to come.
Its not about having the money.
We print the money dumbass.
It’s about where we chose to spend it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 pmAnd we can continue to squander the money on republicans wars, or we can spend the money on actually taking care of our own people.
Lemmings like you however vote to spend the money on wars in countries that couldn’t possibly hurt us if they tried.
Your leaders, your republican leaders have banked successfully on finding a bunch of angry, ignorant people like you that they could convince to vote against giving yourself medical coverage in exchange for your tax dollars and instead to use those tax dollars to go off and fight enemies that we don’t even have.
You’re a rube. You come from a party of rubes. Too stupid to know enough to come in out of the rain.
The republican party banks on your stupidity.
They thrive in it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 pmWhy not sure up the existing system Co ops, community group plans etc. and take it from there the numbers don’t lie only the politicians.
Why do you think that many small Bureaucracies would be more efficient than the government?
How does the rest of the industrilized world manage to provide more care for less money?
Why are their health care systems consistently ranked higher than ours?
Numbers don’t lie…
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 pmHas anyone actually read the Bill???? My wife challenged me so I did… It took a while… I’m sure an educated Senator could read it. few hours but doable…
PS- If anyone actually would take the time to read it, then you would probably understand why all these people are angry!!!! This bill is not what you think!!!!!!
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 pmDoes anyone find it interesting that those writing the rules for the rest of us don’t have to play by them? This health care bill stinks and thats why people on both sides are ticked off.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 pmNot only did you guys turn out to be dumb enough to vote against yourselves, but they’ve actually got you out protesting against yourselves.
Your stupidity is their manna.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 pmHas anyone actually read the Bill???? My wife challenged me so I did… It took a while… I’m sure an educated Senator could read it. few hours but doable…
What specific provisions do you object to?
As you’ve read it in total could you point me to the language that disturbs you most?
How does the rest of the industrialized world cover all of their populations for less money than our inadequate care?
Thanks.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 pmAfter the republicans and blue dog democrats get done castrating the bill I doubt there will be much there anyway.
They don’t have to completely defeat it.
Just erode support for the idea of people getting health care as one of the MANY SERVICES they ALREADY get from the govt.
In fact, we already GET health care from the govt. We all get Social Security and most of us get Medicare at certain ages.
This is just an idea to give MORE of us the same thing some of us are already getting.
But somehow the republicans were able to find a group of people so stupid, that they convinced them that the idea of giving health care coverage to more Americans was “tyranny”.
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If I were a salesman, I’d be getting my leads from the RNC call list.
Apparently those people will believe anything.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:15 pmWaynebro, how old are you really? Do they let 3 year olds on this forum. Don’t agree with you? Then you call them names instead of engaging in truly adult dialog. You’re just an idiot who either needs more education, or less of it.
“Its not about having the money.
We print the money dumbass.
It’s about where we chose to spend it.”
You think that we chose to spend our tax dollars? Think again, the GOVERNMENT spends it in ways we don’t want them to. Your comment about WARS is just one example. Grow up.
Do you really know where this money comes from? Do you? People, individuals EARN it, BUSINESSES CREATE jobs where people EARN it, ENTREPRENEURS RUN BUSINESSES that create valuable goods to buy and sell, the Government doesn’t just print it, our money REPRESENTS something. Now go get a book and figure out why this is so, why using a single valuable resource (gold) instead of a balanced set of resources (gold & silver) helped start inflation and make our economy more fragile and likely to have wide up and down swings, like we experience now.
I’m not a Republican or Democrat, and you’re the Lemming who has put all of his faith in the government. BAD MOVE. READ THE TRUTH, READ THE BILL. Spend money on wars that.. blah, blah, blah. Wake up!
“Your leaders, your republican leaders have banked successfully on finding a bunch of angry, ignorant people like you that they could convince to vote against giving yourself medical coverage in exchange for your tax dollars and instead to use those tax dollars to go off and fight enemies that we don’t even have.”
I pay for my healthcare coverage because I WORK FOR A LIVING! I SUPPORT MYSELF and MY FAMILY, I don’t care to support anyone else by falsely thinking that the Government will take care of me. READ THIS AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN until it gets through your thick skull…
This from a famous Philosopher…
Instead of the function of governing, for which it is radically unfit, the proper office of a representative assembly is to watch and control the government.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 pmJohn Stuart Mill
If we could come up with a car that runs on stupid, the RNC could provide us with enough fuel to last us a thousand years.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 pmperhaps you can answer me, photonut.
How is it that all of the industrialized world EXCEPT for the U.S. is able to provide UNIVERSAL COVERAGE and do it at a significant savings over what we pay for inadequate coverage here in the states?
Can you explain that?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 pmOK, so go to that link and READ THE BILL Waynebro and Iacca, and you’ll find these passages that I highlighted above…
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
We’re not paying for a government official to tell me how to end my life as opposed to having a life saving surgery. My father had one and it saved his life, my father in law had one and it saved his. Would you rather have a 72 year old FATHER die because some government “official” says, take two aspirin and DIE IN THE MORNING????????
Have you seen how in the President’s health care plan that a “counseling” session is required for senior citizens every 5 years to better understand their options to refuse health care and end their lives earlier for the sake of society? This is also required if diagnosed for cancer at any time. WOW?!
Also, half of the bill is funded by $500 Billion in cuts for Senior care, only 1% goes towards fraud protection.
New York Post
July 24, 2009 –
THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They’d decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.
Yet at least two of President Obama’s top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.
Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.
Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. “Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely ‘lipstick’ cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change,” he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).
Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others” (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).
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The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years. Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president’s budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn’t be accountable to the public.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 pmBy the way, photonut… Mill goes on to say that the representative assembly should choose the best for the job and let them govern with little or no interference.
Obama and the Democrats have been chosen, will you now step back and watch them govern?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 pmIacca,
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 pmIf you LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the coverage that all of the industrialized world EXCEPT for the U.S. are able to provide, then why don’t you go live in Canada, England, France, Sweden, etc. and get it there? I have friends who live in EACH of these countries and they can’t find a GOOD DOCTOR to go to on a regular basis, they have to WAIT MONTHS to see anyone, and often they are incompetent. A “significant savings” really? Where are those savings? Look into this more, don’t be fooled by the claims, and find out how bad healthcare is when RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT, since at that point you HAVE NO CHOICE!! Choices are what make this country great, you need to have choices to know good from bad. Only one option isn’t a choice, it’s a MANDATE. Try that one on for size when YOUR FATHER needs emergency surgery or HE WILL DIE, or your FATHER IN LAW needs quality healthcare and surgery to keep him from dying in six months.
Have you seen how in the President’s health care plan that a “counseling” session is required for senior citizens every 5 years to better understand their options to refuse health care and end their lives earlier for the sake of society? This is also required if diagnosed for cancer at any time. WOW?!
False.
And if you had really read the bill you would know that.
Health care direcives for end of life care are a popular part of estate planning these days (I prepare several every week) and the bill merely provides funding for those who CHOOSE to utilize these directives. There is no mandatory ‘counseling’ in the bill.
WOW! Epic FAil!
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 pmphotonut-
Then wouldn’t the average lifespan in those countries be lower than ours?
Why is the opposite true?
FAIL.
Again.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 pmIf you LOVE, LOVE, LOVE unregulated free markets why don’t you go to the third world, photonut?
HAve anything other than anecdotal evidence of the ‘failure’ of those health care systems?
‘Cause your ‘friends’ who know ‘doctors’ in each of those countries ain’t convincing me… sorry.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:29 pmIacca,
not a nice try. Lifespan in those countries is better because they don’t eat as much McDonald’s. FAIL on you. Do you know what “health” care is all about?
By “legislating” choices and options you have eliminated them.
Where are these “directives” given to patients now? They’re not given, they’re not legislated, they’re not mandated. With a bill put into law they all WILL be.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 pmWaynebro, I hope your level of discourse does not represent the general level of repartee around here. Your feeble insults don’t demean others, they demean you.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 pmAhh, McDonalds. That explains it.
Except it doesn’t explain infant mortality rates… we fail there, too.
It doesn’t explain how the spend LESS on care and are ranked HIGHER in quality, consistently… does it?
FAIL.
three times.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 pmYou have no concept of what a ‘Health Care Directive’ is photonut… you’ve proved that.
They don’t kill people.
They let people CHOOSE how they will be treated at the end of their lives.
And the bill does not dictate anything, it pays for people to draw up and file these plans that indicate THEIR CHOICES.
FAILURE. I thought you read it?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:35 pmIacca,
How have YOU served your country? THAT is how I love my country, as have my parents, grandparents, and dozens of relatives. “Unregulated”? The USA is not that, but if you want regulated then you’ll LOVE this bill. Choices are just that, MORE THAN ONE or TWO options. This bill gives you NONE OF THAT.
Sorry, you fail if you don’t know anyone else other than friends from grade school who have not lived outside the USA, not fought for a living, fought for your freedom, or have seen how other countries work. Get a life, I have for about 50 years now, I’ve faced death multiple times, I’ve seen what it’s like in Europe and abroad. I choose the USA and CHOOSE to keep it like it was meant to be, a Democratic-Republic, not Socialism.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 pm“belaccifer lacca says:
If you LOVE, LOVE, LOVE unregulated free markets why don’t you go to the third world, photonut?”
Probably because unregulated free markets don’t exist there; only rule by force exists there. Free markets and chaos are not synonyms. When healthcare in the USA existed under a freer market more people were able to access care for less money. Government regulation has raised the cost of healthcare and forced more people out over the last 40 years than it has included.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pmIacca,
FAIL. Your grade in a moral discourse or true debate.
As boroblues said about Waynebro reflects you too, sadly, your level of discourse does not represent the general level of repartee around here. Your feeble insults don’t demean others, they demean you.
If all you have is another comment that says “fail” in it, then keep it to yourself, it’s worthless.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pmOkay photonut… straying off the point. I have served my country… not in the military but I volunteer at many schools and at summer camps for developmentaly disabled adults… I also know many ex-Marines. Friends and Family… they all agree with my assesment of health care, why? Because they HAVE read about it and studied other countries systems and LIVED in places like GERMANY and FRANCE and JAPAN that do this and succeed.
Did you read the bill? Or Mill?
I have.
Or did you wanna tell me how you love the country, again?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:40 pmLevel of discourse?
You’re kidding me right?
You and the idiots like you were out today shouting down a legitimate discussion with Brownshirt Beerhall tactics and now you’re in here defending it, and you come to me about “level of discourse”?
Go fu$#k yourself troll.
There’s your level of discourse.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 pmLacca, trying to argue with a troll is like trying to get a cat to sit, lie down, or roll over.
It ain’t happening and the cat gives you a look that is a cross between bewilderment and smug superiority.
I do admire your efforts though in defending against them. Health care is one of my top issues, and I doubt I will vote Democratic next time if they fail to deliver. I ain’t voting Republican either… EVER.
The only chance I would vote if health reform isn’t is if the election is close. I would take a Democratic lawmaker over a Republican in very close to all scenarios.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:46 pmThe government is barely able to provide expeditious, reasonably priced, and quality health care to veterans (people, who in many cases, risked their lives for the country) how does anyone possibly conclude at this time that they will be able to do so for everyone. Veterans represent a small portion of the population. If they can’t do it for 3% of the population, how can they do it for 100%. Why don’t the pols fix veterans care first and demonstrate their masterful skill for it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 pmFolks, please tell the President to address this problem now. He needs to tell the media that the tea baggers are un-American by trying to shutdown political discourse and hence democracy. He needs to frame this quickly before the MSM frames it for him.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 pmboroblues says:
Free markets and chaos are not synonyms.
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Not to go all French on the troll, but ‘laissez faire’ is a synonym of free market, and it means ‘let the people (especially the rich) do what they want. That to me sounds an awful lot like chaos for the rich… and monopolizing policies for the poor.
Sounds like the Republican party mantra, save when it comes to protecting their own narrow interests.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 pmlessee … if i remember right for the last 8 years when the (youz guyz) protested, things get destroyed cars set alight riot squads were called out. so we’ve tried the soap box, the ballot box and if you commy ratz dont stop trying to destroy this country of “ours” i guess the next step is the b*llet box. so if i read you right you need to send 1/2 of all your money to me cuz i dang sure aint gonna work hard to support any of you commies.
peace love dove
treaparty
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 pmCould you possibly repost this in comment in English?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 pmLeave it to a neocon troll to spend the morning ranting and raving at a public meeting shouting down the speaker and ruining any possible chance of actual civil discourse, and then spend the afternoon whining in a blog about the “level of discourse”.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:02 amWhy do republicans hate infants, children, the sick, the elderly and the American family?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:03 amkonchster said:
“No doubt many of these disruptive clowns have no health care or insurance which will prove to be inadequate when needed.”
Maybe they have health care, but it just didn’t cover the mental health part?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 amteaparty says:
Can you tell me why every other industrialized nation in the world can provide universal health care and do it for less than our patch-work system?
I’ve been asking all night, thanks.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 amI suppose the moron holding the sign with Rep Dogget’s face painted with devil horns on it is what passes for “high brow” conversation with you.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 amWhy do republicans want only the wealthy and our politicians to have the best health care?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:05 amWhy do republicans want to protect the massive profits of the health care industry and the pharmaceutical companies?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 amWhy didn’t republicans voice their concerns over the cost of two unnecessary wars?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:07 amWhy do republicans want America to spend two times as much for their health care then any other industrialized country does?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:09 amWhy do republicans want their fellow Americans to die from lack of affordable health care?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:10 amChris Matthews is a phucking gutless coward! He showed footage of the Daggett town hall meeting but asked “Whose behind this?”
Matthews knows damn well who is behind this but the coward that he is he doesn’t want to offend those with deep pockets. Funny how Lawrence O’Donnell, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow all knew who was behind this, but not the pathetic Tweety….Please Tweety, retire as a MSNBC host and run for the Senate….as a republican!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 amteaparty says:
Dude, are you Rip Van Winkle? The commie rats thing is so over!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:26 amIt’s called ‘freedom of speech’. We aren’t a communist country yet are we? Aren’t you concerned where the money is going to come from? I would like to see reform in healthcare but I want our representatives to take the time to get it right. Not a bunch of pork thrown in on top of it. They’ve already admitted there aren’t enough Americans earning over 250,000 to fund it, so it’s going to hit the middle class. That’s not what our President pledged. I’m anxious about all the money we owe with the stimulus, on top of what Bush spent, and also what my heating bills will be with cap and trade. The country can go bankrupt just like California.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 amAren’t you concerned where the money is going to come from?
Are you aware that we spend more than any other country in the world on health care?
Why is it cheaper for every other industrialized nation in the world to offer UNIVERSAL COVERAGE, I wonder?
I’ve been asking all night…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:41 amLloyd Doggett has been my representative for over 29 years first in texas and then Washington. He is the hardest working, most decent , hones politician I have ever known. In the Texas house he would show up in tennis shoes when he planned a filibuster. One year he and several other Democrats dubbed “The Killer Bees” hid out rather than vote on a distasteful bill. He is the rare diamond in the rough. Austin is just about the only liberal bastion in Texas. A few years back the Republicans gerrymandered his district thinking they could get rid of him. the district ran from Austin down to the Mexican border several hundreds of miles away. Didn’t work Lloyd got re-elected and went back to Washington to do his job with a calm head and a strong heart !!!! These people really have no idea what a wonderful man he is.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:53 amIf you keep up on the news, you know that the federal tax revenues are the lowest that they’ve been since 1932. That’s what happens when there are no jobs. I’m sure, knowing how things go in the government, that the trillion dollar cost for the health care plan over the next ten years is VERY underestimated. Who is going to pay for it? Where will the money come from? Obama is going to run this country into the ground, just totally destroy it, then he’s going to walk away without even caring to run for a second term. If you think that everything is going to be great if the health care plan passes, you’re in for a very rude awakening. You are going to rue the day that Obama became president. By the time this is over, you’ll probably be working from sun-up to sundown just to make enough money to buy a loaf of bread. What good does national health care do for a nation of homeless, starving people? Our government has proven over the past several decades that they do not know how to manage money. It’s like putting an alcoholic gambling addict in charge of everyone’s money. In every government office, from city, to state, to federal, they are mismanaging and embezzling the tax money. If they weren’t, we would have plenty of money for everything. And for those of you who talk about the old people with the white hair and wrinkled skin, who are against the health care plan, being stupid and not knowing what they’re doing. You would do well to heed the wisdom which comes with age. They have much more experience with what has happened in politics, and how it affects peoples’ everyday lives. You should also treat our veterans with respect, even if they go about what they’re saying in the wrong way. Most of you who have said very disrespectful things to a certain military veteran who was wounded, have probably never been in service to this country. Also, the government knows what EVERYONE is doing ALL of the time, not just the ones who are exercising their (once upon a time) freedom of speech. Since the Patriot Act after 9-11 they have data about what every single person says on the phone and computer. They have cameras on the stop lights on every city street, police cars, toll booths, highways, etc. keeping track of where you go and what you do every day. If you attend a polital function, protest rally, anti-abortion rally, etc., they know it. All of this information is stored in a government data warehouse. Yet, it’s against the law to run a check of any kind on a government employee, especially the president or vice president. You can be charged with a lot of things, including invasion of privacy.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 amHey TammyMom… I wonder if you can answer…
How can every other industrialized nation in the world provide universal coverage and do it at a lower cost???
It’s a puzzle.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 amReal change ! you elaborately quote what 15, 15 -17 and 2 million people do about health insurance. that leaves out about 13-15 million. that must be where i fit in. i would love to have insurance but have been underemployed for 4 years. does that make me and illegal or one of the ones who ‘don’t want to”.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 amYOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN. TRAVEL ACROSS THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND YOU WILL FIND YOU JUST CAN’T PIGEON HOLE EVERYONE.
sharond,
Health insurance reform with a good strong public option will not only help reduce our overall medical costs, it will help this nation’s economy as a whole. This much needed reform couldn’t get here soon enough and what you advocate by attempting to stall this, sounds just like the GOP delay tactic strategy, while GOP supporters go around and troll the internets and barge into town hall discussions to damage efforts of this needed reform. Besides that, did you know that Congress is in recess? That should give you extra time to either read the reform legislation or obstruct needed reform.
Despite the angry shouting mob, I am confident that Mr. Doggett will be representing his constituency quite well when he goes back to D.C. to further the efforts of health insurance reform (and hopefully a good, strong public option), as per my request. If he does that and continues in his effort to support the progressive agenda, then he will once again receive my vote for re-election, and I will help him with his campaign efforts.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 amIf the government would lower the income taxes to a flat 7%-10% across the board, for everyone, whether you make $11,000 dollars per year or $11,000,000,000 per year, instead of the 33%-35% that they take now, they could just keep the money, then we could do away with the IRS. They could keep one IRS office open just for business expenses, for people who own their own businesses and corporations. People who don’t own their own business would never even have to file a tax return again. That in itself would not only save trillions of dollars per year on what we pay for the IRS workers, but most people could actually afford their own health insurance. Low income families are always going to need some type of assistance, whether we have national health care or not, but it would be better to have the money come from actual government spending cuts instead of raising the income taxes to 50% of your pay before you even get your money. Which, I guarantee you, is what the government is going to do.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:34 amOn the subject of people speaking their opinions at town hall meetings….isn’t that what they are for? So the representatives can listen to what their constituents have to say? Or should people only be allowed to speak if their opinion is leftwing? I didn’t see anything in that video that would indicate anything other than that person’s right to freedom of speech. She wasn’t belittling or demeaning of any particular person, she didn’t incite aggression or physical acts of violence, she merely asked a question she was concerned about. How is that ‘mob mentality’? Why should she or anyone of the people there who agreed with her be arrested? Because they don’t agree with the leftwing point of view? Freedom of speech is a right to all American citizens.
On the subject of healthcare. Yes, the healthcare system is screwed up. But I don’t think it should be tossed out and controlled by the government. One of the reasons why healthcare costs so darn much is because of the lawyers. Doctors and hospitals have to pay OUTRAGEOUS amounts towards malpractice lawsuits, which in turn makes the consumer pay more. Medicare only pays ~2/3rds of the total patient’s bill. The rest has to be paid for by the hospital. Which means to cover the difference, hospitals must charge MORE for services to be able to afford to stay open. And how about that free medical care we give to anyone who goes to an ER? Gee, wouldn’t that cause prices to go up too?
Regardless of its flaws, I would still rather have private insurance than let the government run it. They can’t even fix the programs they already have for healthcare, why would we expect them to be able to do better when in charge of ALL of healthcare?
And for those who think government healthcare is the way to go, look at these articles:
VA hospitals:
Military hospitals:
I have had personal experiance with both and while I think MOST of the people who work at those hospitals are wonderful people, I don’t think the hospitals themselves or the care provided are anything to be proud of.
And if government run healthcare is so wonderful, why do so many people from countries that have government healthcare come to the US to get treatment? Because they can get the services they need in a timely manner. Because we have advanced technology and procedures. Because they can get the services they need period.
And another thing. Do you like all the advances we’ve had in medicine? I bet you do. But if the government takes over healthcare, where do you think the money will come from to support medical research to improve technology? Yes, other countries have made advances, but not anywhere near what the US has made. But, most of those discoveries were made by universities and privately funded research groups.
I, for one, am completely against allowing the government MORE control in how I live my life. America was based upon the foundation of FREEDOM. Particularly freedom from the government (why did the majority of immigrants come here? To get away from their governments). Today’s government (created by BOTH the republican and democratic parties) already takes the Constitution and twists it to meet THEIR needs and not the needs of the people. No where in the US Constitution does it state that healthcare is a RIGHT.
And final thought, if Universal Healthcare is so wonderful, how come government officials won’t have to use it? How come they will get to keep their current healthcare system while the rest of us poor schlubs have to have our rights dictated to us?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:42 amSomehow my links didn’t get posted, it just underlined my post.
Here is the link for an article on VA hospitals:
Military hospitals:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:45 am
3rd times a charm (I hope)
VA Hospitals:
if not, here is the website:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/21/AR2007032102583.html
(the link button on here sucks)
August 4th, 2009 at 1:47 amThe story from a Washington Post reporter simply addresses some MAINTENANCE problem at VA hospitals, mostly due to BUSH’S CUTS IN FUNDING for the VA.
You can’t cut funding then complain about not enough funding for maintenance.
This story does NOT however address the quality of patient care, and the reason it does not is because the CARE at the VA is considered across the board, EQUAL OR SUPERIOR to what most Americans get from their health insurance.
The VA’s IT system has been lauded by medical journals. Patient care has been polled time and time again and shown to be first rate.
For you to come in and trash the doctors and the nurses and the first rate care programs given to our nations veterans by the VA, by posting some story about BUILDING MAINTENANCE, is why everyone hates you republicans, but you.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:06 amLike I said, the RNC is to be commended for not only finding people like you and those protesters today, who are so stupid that not only can they be easily convinced to vote against giving themselves health care as part of the services they get in exchange for paying taxes, but to actually cheer it on.
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Man you guys are good.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:08 amBy the way, if you haven’t seen the documentary, ‘America: From Freedom to Fascism’, you really should try to find it. Although they were trying to get it out to as many people as possible before the government stopped them, so it may be difficult to find. My fiance is an over the road trucker who goes to every state, plus Canada, and someone who was passing them out at a truck stop gave him a copy, which I have now. It is about an hour and 40 minutes in length, and tells all about how income tax is actually voluntary, not mandatory. All of the people who have had their homes and assets taken, and been sent to prison for income tax evasion, were actually prosecuted under false pretenses.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:09 amTammyMom,
If you implimented a flat tax, then that would tax the poor even more and the wealthy even less. We are already in an economic disaster because of decreasing taxes for the wealthy and spending mad crazy dollars on war in Iraq based on lies using no-bid contracts and mercenaries, all while the troops were suffering from being over-used and under-funded thanks to the GOP and the previous administration.
The reason we have a progressive taxation system, while it does have its flaws (like all of the corporate tax evasion by listing your Corpoation in another country, and other such tax loopholes), is in to keep from becoming an economy (and therefore country) based on an elite ruling class and a servitude working class, like mercantilism.
So, unless you are part of the super-wealthy elite, a flat tax is the worst thing you could ask for. It would lead to fascism in short order, and that is un-American.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:12 amThis thread is not about taxes.
I guess its time for the diversion trolls (people who were at these meetings today and who are now blogging from their RNC funded hotel rooms) to take the thread off topic now since their stupidity has been laid out for all to see.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:15 amYea?
Does he hand out a tin foil hat with each copy?
I’ll bet you’re bible fearin folk too, huh slick?
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Jesus had no problem with paying taxes.
Of course Jesus wasn’t a cheapskate hillbilly living in a trailer handing out anti government nutcase propaganda either.
Jesus was a law abiding citizen.
Jesus would have voted to give health care to everybody.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:18 amIn fact, Jesus gave out free health care himself, wherever he went.
:D
August 4th, 2009 at 2:19 amFirst off, I stated the people who work there (ie: doctors, nurses, etc) were good people. I never said anything bad about the PEOPLE who work there. Secondly, did you read the whole article? A disabled vet was left unattended in a shower where he received burns from the water. Is that a maintenance issue? Have you ever been a patient at a VA hospital or military hopsital? I have. I’d rather go to a civilian doctor anyday. The care I received was not “equal or superior” to anything I have received from a civilian run facility. The wait times were insane (weeks for an initial appointment and up to months for a follow-up or specialty referal), the care actually given is BELOW civilian standards – I remember being a medic in the Army and getting excited over a new type of needle used to give IVs. I told my father about it (he’s been a civilian ER nurse for 25 years at that point) and he laughed. He said they had needles like that in the civilian world for almost 10 years – and thats just the needles! I had major surgery by the military, it left me physically disabled even though it was a ’simple operation with minimal risks’ according to my doctor.
I have friends who are still active duty and go to civilian doctors any chance they have instead of using the doctors the military supplies. I have friends who are vets and absolutely refuse to use VA until they have no other choice.
Unless you have actually USED the system, how can you say its effective? How can you comment on the care?
As far as getting care for my tax dollars, I would rather pay out of pocket for my healthcare than allow the government to control how, what and when I receive care. Besides, to afford this new healthcare system, the government would have to increase taxes. So you get less from your paycheck. Look at countries that have univeral healthcare. Their taxes are very high. Taxes are high enough, why would I willing pay more for substandard healthcare run by the government?
August 4th, 2009 at 2:29 am341. dodcuk says:
Nobody is tossing out the healthcare system. It is being reformed in order to provide better and more options. What is wrong with that? The insurance companies gamed the market to an extent that it resembles nothing like the fairy-tale idea that an absolute free-market provides the most and best choices. The insurance companies are set up such that they profit more by providing LESS healthcare benefits, costing people their lives and money. Not very good if you ask me.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:34 amFirst off doc, the article is about BUILDING MAINTENANCE at the VA. It barely mentions the care and we know of no study associated with it that deals with the quality of care there.
Yes I read it, and at no time did it point to any serious statistics of failing health care. Second, the VA is rated extremely high by its patients.
As for have I ever been a patient there, no, but I take my dad there all the time and they treat him like a king.
And he hasn’t been in a war since World War II.
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Beat that with a stick.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:35 am______
belaccifer lacca says:
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How are they dangerous? Did they threaten anyone in any way or encourage anyone to be violent or destructive?
Here UL, let me help.
whteshark says:
You may think we are cowards, that we won’t fight, that you can do whatever you like to us, however, briefly you remain in power–but you will find that you can only push us so far. I would rather die than live in a socialist utopia. I think political dissolution is the only recourse at this point.
and
You believe you can impose this on us. I will tell you right now you’re wrong and the breaking point is near. If you continue down this path you will find it filled with land mines from here to Washington.
and this story…
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/08/03/whats_not_on_fox_news_and_fox_nation_possible_domestic_terrorism.php
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
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It’s interesting that you cite posts from TP. When I’ve suggested that posts here have some importance and posters should be held accountable, the response is that it’s “just a blog”; hardly more significant than a conversation on a street corner. As for the link, are you suggesting that the people in the video clips above are to be compared with the armed woman? By the same token, would the code pink ladies be the equivalent of the Muslim terrorists mentioned in the link? They are both against U.S. involvement in the war. That is the equivalent of saying the vocal, but non-violent protestors are dangerous because they hold some of the same views as the armed woman.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:37 amYou just got through saying you weren’t disparaging the doctors and nurses and then turn around and call the care they give, “substandard”.
Well you’re a liar.
The VA gives FIRST RATE QUALITY CARE to our veterans on a daily basis you half baked nightshift troll.
And quoting an article from one Washington Post reporter that focuses on BUILDING MAINTENANCE doesn’t discredit that fact.
Quack.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:38 amYou right wing idiots just spent the last 8 years telling us why George Bush’s government needed a few trillion of our tax dollars to fight an imaginary enemy in a country that never attacked us.
Now your puppet masters have got you fools spending the next 8 years telling us why we can’t shift some of that money towards giving the American taxpayer some relief on health care.
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The RNC literally gorges themselves on your stupidity.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:47 amYou people amuse the crap out of me. You go on and on about how great government healthcare is and yet, how many of you have actually used it? Yes, there are going to be people who like it, hell, some people enjoy pain and find it sexually arousing, does that mean everyone should feel the same way?
As far as VA giving “FIRST RATE QUALITY CARE”, who told you that? The government? Of course they would! Why would they put down something they want to run and are trying to push on the rest of the US? What about the vets who are in dire need of help (physical and mental) and are getting less than they deserve for serving their country? Are their opinions about receiving government healthcare to be discredited because of the way YOU feel?
America is about FREEDOM. How is it freedom if we are told by the government which doctor to visit? How is it freedom to be told by the government what care we will and won’t receive? How is it freedom to be told by the government how much you will pay for healthcare?
As far as being a “troll”, I find it highly amusing that anyone who has a differing opinion than the majority on a given website (this goes for both conservative and liberal discussion sites) is considered a troll. So because they don’t agree with someone else’s opinion they are automatically discredited? If I had been a first time poster and repeated the majority views on here, I wouldn’t be considered a troll, I would be considered “one of you”. Thank god for people who have open minds!
August 4th, 2009 at 2:56 amTexasTwister, The 33%-35% income tax is already a flat tax across the board from what I can see, except for the wealthy, who receive tax breaks. For our tax bracket it was supposed to be 25% for 2008 and is supposed to be 28% for 2009, but they take about 35% every year. 10% of $11,000 is $110, which is better than $3,667, which is approximately 33% of $11,000. $10,000 is 10% of $1,000,000. WAYNEBRO, And it is about taxes. National health care, and EVERYTHING else, has to do with taxes. They have been talking for at least 5 years about raising the taxes to 50% when they implement the national health care.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:57 amWrong night troll. It’s not about taxes.
Are you so inbred stupid that you think you won’t have to pay taxes if we don’t get public health care?
Besides, with the paltry few cents you and the other RNC hired protesters from todays rally kick into the public coffers, I wouldn’t be complaining about them.
You’ll still pay taxes troll.
Its just a question of what we get in exchange for those taxes.
We can be like Europe and the rest of the civilized world and get health care as part of our services.
Or we can continue to drive the American taxpayer into bankruptcy because morons like you wave signs when you’re told to.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:09 amYou’re not just a liar you’re a stupid one at that.
NO ONE is talking about raising taxes to 50 percent, you half baked freak.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:11 amI think taxes DO play a part in nationlized government healthcare. I don’t think Tammymom was saying that if the healthcare plan doesn’t go through that she wouldn’t have to pay taxes at all. She talking about the INCREASE in taxes we would see in order to pay for government healthcare. 50% or more of our paycheck would go to taxes. Don’t believe it? Research how much “Europe and the rest of the civilized world” pay in taxes. Why would I want to pay half of my paycheck so that the unisured and illegals can get free healthcare?
August 4th, 2009 at 3:16 amAnd if you think that your party is how the majority of Americans feel, check this out. Its a “report card” on the POTUS put out by CNN, one of your very own liberal news sources. Notice how even when they poll their target audience, the POTUS and his administration are getting hammered! Hilary got a better grade than the POTUS!
CNN Report Card
August 4th, 2009 at 3:31 amWAYNEBRO, You may think that calling people names makes you look really smart, and makes you a big man, but it doesn’t. I already know that nothing anyone says or does is going to change the minds of most of the people who are for national health care. The only thing to do is just wait and see what happens. In a year or so we’ll ALL see if you are right about how wonderful national health care is going to be. And, yes, a few years ago, I believe it was Hillary Clinton who was talking about raising the taxes to 45% if the national health care gets passed.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:33 amYea?
Well I think you and Tammy’s mom are sitting next to each other in a Motel 6 paid for by the RNC and the Insurance lobby.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:34 amOh look. Another bussed in meeting protester complaining about the level of discourse.
No slick, I don’t think that makes me look really smart.
What I do think makes me look smart is not being so inbred stupid that I’d let a bunch of fat cat politicians who prostitute themselves out to the insurance lobby convince me to vote against giving myself health care.
That makes me look pretty smart.
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Compared to you.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:36 amYou also believe that the Flintstones is a historical record.
So?
Who cares what you believe.
And for that matter, who cares what Hilary Clinton may or may not have said “a few years ago”.
She’s the Secretary of State dimwit.
She doesn’t decide on budget or domestic taxes.
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Grow a brain, troll.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:41 amBut its OK for the ‘fat cat politicians’ who want even more control over Americans to get their way? If you want to live in a country where the people are told what to do with their personal lives, then move! America is NOT about government control. Or maybe you disagree with our forefathers? They wouldn’t allow that kind of control. If they had wanted it, they would have put that in the Constitution. But instead, they severly regulated the amount of control the government has on the American people. Why? Because they didn’t believe that the government could run their lives better than they could run it themselves. Hell, why we’re at it, lets change the Constitution to fit people like you!
As a last resort in arguing, the people who have no ability to prove their point resort to name calling. At least a child has an excuse when they call someone names in order to make a point – their brains haven’t matured enough. Whats yours?
August 4th, 2009 at 3:54 amLike I said inbred.
At least I’m not stupid enough to let a bunch of fat cat politicians convince me to vote and work against giving myself the same healthcare that they enjoy.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:00 amSo if this new healthcare reform is so great for the American people, how come the politicians don’t have to have the same healthcare coverage? How come they will get to keep the coverage they already have? Why are they any different than the rest of America? Go ahead, promote nationalized healthcare, believe that your government has your best interests at heart. When you’re needing medical treatment and have to wait weeks or even months to get it, the politicians will be enjoying their ‘freedom’ to use a better healthcare system anytime they want it.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:03 amYou’re kidding me, right inbred?
You actually think that you guys can start with these brown shirt tactics, shouting down discussions, trying to intimidate speakers on health reform and then come in and dictate terms on civility?
You don’t get to shout down civil discourse in the morning then walk into a blog and cry about the tone.
Go screw yourself troll.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:04 amWAYNEBRO, If you think that Hillary Clinton doesn’t have any clout or power, you’re wrong. It’s just too bad that we will ALL be forced into a national health care system if it passes, and I’ve got a feeling that, more than likely, it will. You are really a very mean, angry and spiteful person. I don’t believe that it’s all because of anger towards the people whose opinion differs from yours. I think that you’re just mean. I really feel sorry for you. You seem to be very unhappy.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:09 amYou are a rube. A complete rube.
A. Hilary is the Secretary of State. She doesn’t have any power in domestic budget issues. NONE. ZERO. ZIPPO.
B. You’ve yet to produce this quote of hers, about the 45 percent increase.
C. Even if you do produce the quote, as you pointed out it was years ago. No ones talking about that now.
Pieces of crap like you who come in and spread lies like that and seed the discussion with them are the worst pieces of crap this planet has to offer.
I know you don’t believe in abortion, but you sir, are a poster child for the practice.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:14 am*sigh* too funny. How did I ever promote shutting down discussions? How did I ever promote intimidating speakers on healthcare reform? The video in question shows a woman asking a question she has a concern about. Many people at the meeting felt the same way and showed their support. How is that intimidation? Did they have guns? Did they threaten their safety or welfare? No, they spoke their minds in a clear, non-combative manner – without resorting to name calling I might add. Or is it just because they don’t agree with you that suddenly they are intimidating or enciting violence?
If you honestly feel that someone shouldn’t be allowed to speak their minds in a non-confrontational manner because their opinions differ from yours, then again I say to you, move! Because the US Constitution gave us freedom of speech. No where in the Constitution does it say, “you are only allowed to state your opinion if it is a liberal one.” I am a conservative, but I do have some liberal views. Does that mean I should only be able to share my liberal points of view? Even my conservative friends allow me to state my opinions regarding liberal issues without attacking me personally. How does belittling and name calling prove your point? It doesn’t.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:17 amYou’re kidding me, right scumbag?
You spend the day ANGRILY SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS SHOUTING DOWN CIVIL DISCUSSION, then come into a blog and complain about someone else’s tone?
I’m not angry, I’m just not taking your sh$t troll.
You’re just some scumbag sitting in a motel room paid by the RNC to disrupt blogs and meetings.
It’s after 4 in the morning and you’re still here, trying to get in the last word so you can effectively “shout down” this thread.
You guys have turned to the “ANGRY MOB” tactic and now you’re whining about me being angry. You guys sure like to dish it out but you cry like babies when it comes back to you.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:22 amLiar.
They shouted down the meeting.
They SHOUTED DOWN THE MEETING.
You obviously are too stupid to even watch a video.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:23 amDon’t tell me to move you unAmerican inbred fascist piece of sh$t.
And I didn’t say you DID intimidate anyone.
I said you “tried”. I said you used those tactics.
SHOUTING DOWN a speaker is a tactic of intimidation.
It’s what the brownshirts did in the beerhalls for Hitler and his pals.
And now you guys are using the same tactic, shouting down speakers in the town halls.
Hitler did it in the beer halls.
You’re trying to do it in the town halls.
Only thing is you’re just a bunch of pu$$ies, and couldn’t intimidate a school kid without help.
Your tactics won’t work.
In the town halls, or in here.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:28 am:|
gee, ya don’t say?
August 4th, 2009 at 4:31 amYea, you might add it.
If it were true.
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Go back and watch the video again liar. They not only were calling him names but they even made derogatory photoshop posters of him as the devil and such.
In fact, all you have to do is look at the top of this thread to see it, stupid.
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I guess you’re all I can expect for a nightshift troll, huh?
August 4th, 2009 at 4:35 amdocduck says:
The only thing you’re liberal with is the truth.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:35 amI’m here at 1:31 in the morning not because I want to disrupt the conversation or have the last word, but because I feel like I have a right to my opinion. And because you are a source of amusement to me.
OMG they shouted at the meeting. Arrest them all! How do you know that the meeting was shut down because of the yelling? Does the video show that? Do you have proof that the meeting ended because people shouted in agreement with a statement?
And as far as “screaming at the top of their lungs”, I heard people being loud, not screaming. They weren’t trying to “shout down civil discussion”, they were agreeing with the statement made. Since when is that illegal? Many protests/protestors raise their voices or shout chants – regardless of the issue they are supporting. Oh, its only illegal when people have a differing view than yours, got it.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:38 amNo scumbag, you’re here because your puppet masters at the RNC told you to be here. Because you plan to shout down this thread just like you shouted down the meeting today.
You’re a liar and a worm.
You actually lied claiming one woman was voicing an opinion when in fact anyone can see the video of an ANGRY MOB CHANTING DOWN a civil discussion.
In fact, you stupid inbred troll, READ the title of the thread you’re in.
lol
I’m glad I’m amusing you because you’re the funniest dumb ass troll I’ve ever seen.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:42 amlol, it’s all over the evening news stupid.
Everyone in America saw them SHOUTING DOWN the meeting.
You can watch the thread and see them just shout louder and louder until they finally give up.
And all you’re doing is trying to get the last word, but you picked the wrong guy for that.
Just ask anyone.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:45 amThere’s only one person shouting down anyone, and that’s you, WAYNEBRO. I’ve got a feeling that you’ve been treated for a mental condition at some time in your life, and now, perhaps, you can’t afford your anti-psychotic drugs. Maybe that’s why you’re so insistent on getting the national health care bill passed.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:45 amYea?
I’ve got a feeling when you’re not doing this you earn your living on your knees at the local RNC chapter.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:47 amSee a$$wipe?
I can trade insults all night if that’s all you want.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:49 amYou’re a liar and fool, and the rest of us have to suffer under the insurance nightmare that other criminal you morons elected named tricky dick, because you’re so stupid you let your RNC buttmasters talk you into voting against giving yourself health care.
When natural selection weeds out vermin and fools like you, this country will move forward.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:50 amI could go all night posting things just to upset you. It is highly amusing! Over and over again, your response to others opinions who differ from yours is to call names and belittle. Do you think it bothers me? Hell no! I makes me laugh.
What is amusing about the fact that you are going on and on about how horrible those people are for protesting, yet if a liberal group of people did the same thing to a conservative speaker, it would be ok because the conservative ‘deserves’ it. Only bad if ‘the other side’ does it it seems. Freedom for all, unless they disagree with me. Thats your America. Enjoy it now while its in your favor. Because unless the POTUS completely takes over like he wants, then eventually it will swing back to the conservatives. What will you do then? Protest? Use your unlimited wit and intelligence to make a point? *insert laughing smiley here*
August 4th, 2009 at 4:51 amWell that’s good then, because your mom makes me laugh.
:D
So I guess we’re even.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:55 amWAYNEBRO, You are a horrible, wretched little man. It’s not worth giving you the time of day. Just remember, you made you hospital bed, you lie in it. As for me, I’ll just let sleeping dogs lie.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:57 amResorting to attacking my mother? Too funny! Why not stick to the issues being discussed? Can’t handle a little opposition?
August 4th, 2009 at 5:03 amHey, just think if your dad didn’t you wouldn’t be here right now.
:D
August 4th, 2009 at 5:05 amI think I’m handling you just find troll.
That’s why your fat a$$ is planted in that chair, instead of catching the sleep you so badly need after today’s RNC Insurance lobby shoutdown session.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:06 amDance for me tiny dancer.
;)
Dance.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:08 amFunny how you keep putting down Tammymom and I for being up posting in the wee hours of the morn….yet aren’t you posting yourself? Ahh, again I get it. Only people who think like you are allowed to do something without it being negative. No wonder you’re a supporter of the current POTUS.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:22 amI think I’m gonna call you “BoJangles”.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:29 amI’m supporter of ANY President of the United States as long as its humanly possible. I give every President as much of my support as I can give them, and that included George W Bush.
You should know about that.
It’s what you guys told us we should do when Bush was President, but now, has mysteriously is no longer necessary according to you.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:32 amFor some reason, you seem to think supporting the President of the United States is only important if he’s a member of your party.
Which is evident given your lack of support of President Obama his first few days in office.
You gave him zero support and have actively worked against him, against Americans everywhere including your own selves (because you’re stupid), and against the country itself, since he took office.
You are not patriots.
You are not heroes.
You are not tough or brave.
You do not represent American values.
You do not represent family values.
What you do represent, is all that is stupid, ugly, and lowly in us all, and you sell your bile with the smug arrogance of a Nazi general in a cell at Nuremberg, still thinking he’s in power or has something left to say.
You’ve already ruined this country. You’ve already turned us into the laughing stock of the planet, and taken us from the most loved, to the most hated and feared country on the planet. You already bankrupted us, and you already killed more Americans in your illegal wars than the terrorists managed to kill on 911.
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I’d say your 15 minutes is about up.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:38 amTime to let someone smart give it a try for a change.
Time to sit back, shut up, and get the hell out of the way.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:40 amI respect the POSITION the current POTUS holds, not the actual man. I would be respectful to him if I ever met him, but don’t think that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t tell him how I felt. And if I were still active duty military, I would follow any LAWFUL order given to me by the current POTUS. Just because I don’t like the man in office doesn’t mean I don’t respect his position. As far as Bush is concerned, just because he’s republican doesn’t mean I have to like him either. Not all republicans think Bush was a good president! Oh wait, we must because he has the same political leanings. So does that mean since you’re all about government control you like Stalin? Hitler?
But I’m tired of your pointless arguements and petty name calling. Off to find something more amusing, like watching my cat cough up fur balls.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:42 amAugust 4th, 2009 at 5:42 am
I just realized how much I was off on my math. $1,100 is 10% of $11,000, and $50,000 is 10% of $1,000,000. That’s still a lot better than 33%-35% anyway.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:17 amI have it written right here in front of me and I still typed it wrong, duh. $550 is 10% of $11,000 and $50,000 is 10% of $1,000,000.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:26 amTammyMom says:
I have it written right here in front of me and I still typed it wrong, duh. $550 is 10% of $11,000 and $50,000 is 10% of $1,000,000.
Kinda says it all… sigh.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:24 amTAmmyMom says:
They have been talking for at least 5 years about raising the taxes to 50% when they implement the national health care.
Huh, that’s funny. I’ve never heard a single person mention this… besides those who wish to scare people like yourself that is.
Have a link to someone seriously discussing a 50% tax rate somewhere?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:50 amEveryone in these videos appears to be European-American. Are people of color not allowed at these meetings? I saw only one black man, and the others were glaring at him.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pmhttp://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Note that these are TOP MARGINAL RATES, Tammymom.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:54 pmAnd we aren’t even talking about increasing these to 50% like they were under that SOCIALIST Reagan. Not that I’d be opposed to it… but it ain’t happening.
One heartily agrees with this article on so many levels. It is outrageous that serious topics cannot be discussed in an intelligent manner. And furthermore, whether those constituents like it or not, these representatives are the duly-elected legislators for the districts in question.
The difficulty that I have, with this article, is first, that it characterises these people as the “far right.”
Far right? Ha. Ha. Characterising these goofballs as the “far right” literally detracts from the credibility of the article. It suspiciously seems to be a cognitive ploy to make milquetoast wieners who simply, and greedily, want to keep their money (however ill-gotten) to themselves, as the “far right.”
Hell, these people are not the far right. They are not even the respectable right. They are the dead-center (i.e. the “ME” generation), who just like to see themselves on TV, RIGHT. They may be very Left otherwise. They are likely pro-CR, pro-FC people otherwise. They’re just greedy.
The second problem that I have with this article is—as with the subsequent comments—that it does evince a slight hypocrisy. I even noted someone suggesting a registry so as to not hire the ill-formed folk who would protest “progress.” “Me think she doth protest too much.”
Yet, the Left has protested and prevented rational conversation, by protests and disruption in all sorts of situations, from the ’68 George Wallace campaign, to the Tancredo (whoever he is) immigration debate today. How about those who wish to fight a multi-ethnic, pluralistic, so-called “America?” When do they get to speak?
What is Progress? Georges Sorel is not dead, just moved to Kentucky.
R
August 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pmneutralpundit says:
What you fail to recognize, neutralpundit, is that these protesters are not interested in discussion or even in dissent but merely in delay.
They feel they can embarrass the democrats if they can delay and derail the health care debate… they have no solutions and nothing they are willing to stand for, they have defined themselves by what they stand against and it is a purely political calculation.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmIn the video of the Rep. Doggett incident, I noticed one guy carrying a yellow “Don’t Tread On Me” flag. I saw these kind of flags at the Tucson Tea Party back in April.
Does anyone know where they come from?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:38 amGuarantee when government offers lower cost health care, every tom, dick and harry will be taking that insurance. It will blow the doors off the budget. Just like the boondoggle “cash for clunkers” The $1 billion was supposed to last until October 2009. No, it lasted 6 days. Say goodnight, Gracie. Goodnight, USA economy. Sheer madness.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pmSo, the party of the “Community Organizer” doesn’t like it when someone else organizes. A little one sided, don’t you think?
Personally, I don’t think the “mobs” were organized. People are angry over Obamacare. And they are making their voices heard.
However, if they were organized, so what? People have a right to protest organized or otherwise. It’s just a shame that the politicians have to make an excuse to “not listen.”
August 5th, 2009 at 8:46 pmhttp://www.docstoc.com/docs/9481224/Town-Hall-Disruption-Memo-Sample
This is a copy of a document outlining _disruption tactics_ to be used by the teabaggers. Dead-onm _proof_ they’re nothing but Astroturf.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:53 amI’m only going to address Rep. Doggett’s town hall because it was actually a little ridiculous what he said.
The only question posed at his town hall meeting was as follows:
Would you continue to support Obama’s health care plan even if you knew your constituents were against it?
His answer: Yes.
I really can’t blame the people who got angry because he basically just told his constituency to shove off and that he would do things his way. Please remember, these people are elected representatives of their constituents. If the people who voted him in don’t want something, he damn well better be against it. Otherwise the people truly do not have a voice in this government for the people, by the people.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:08 amAdded note:
August 6th, 2009 at 1:12 amI’m not agreeing with what they did, they definitely need to grow up. I’m just saying he was kind of asking for it with his answer.
Re: The document outlining disruption tactics: Wow, someone scanned a doc and put it online. That clearly means that EVERYONE attending the town hall meetings was part of an organized mob.
Do you not remember Obama asking people to “go out, talk to friends, GET IN THEIR FACE.” I guess that’s okay.
Look, it’s time to grow up. People protest. Big deal. They protest on both sides. That’s what makes America great. But don’t blame one group for protesting just because you don’t like their opinion.
August 6th, 2009 at 8:24 pmI must admit that I’m not good at math, but I believe that dropping the taxes to a flat rate of 7%-10% across the board, letting the government just keep the money, no tax returns, and doing away with all of the IRS offices except one, for business deductions only, is a good idea. The government could save billions of dollars per year, at the least, by not having to pay all of the IRS workers, and not having to pay to keep the buildings themselves running. I did a lot of searching, but I could only find one web page which refers to Hillary Clinton talking about raising the taxes when/if the universal health care passes, although the Wikipedia page about Hillary Clinton Health Care has all sorts of links that go as far back as 1992 when it was HillCare, or HillaryCare. The page that I found is from May 1, 2008, and it is Hillary Clinton being interviewed by Bill O’Reilly. The part that I’m talking about is just a little more than halfway down the page. It’s when she thought that she was going to be the president. She talks about raising the taxes 6.5% to 39.5%, and then Obama lifting the cap and raising the social security payroll tax another 8%, so that’s a 14% tax hike. 33% + 6.5% + 8% = 47.5% tax.
August 7th, 2009 at 5:27 amI forgot to give the web address for that page. It is http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353759,00.html
August 7th, 2009 at 5:33 amOh, you mean those “Local Grassroot Protestors” that work for Republican Members in Congress?
‘Grassroots Protester’ Actually GOP Official
August 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pmhttp://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/grassroots-protester-actually-gop-official.php
I am against the healthcare reform and am not paid by republican party, corporate right wing extremists groups, or any of that. I am a middle class veteran. When people that call themselves democrats are strongly opposed to an issue, they are called “protesters”. When those who consider themselves more conservative are strongly opposed to something, they are called “angry mobs” by our democrats in Washington. Like all large crowds, it only takes a few to ruin it for others who protest non-violently. The same can be said for democrat demonstrations in history as well. So quit labeling all who oppose the current situation as mobs. Also, someone mentioned Nazis and brownshirts, know your history, because the democrats want names of people who are against the healthcare plan. In Nazi Germany, citizens were required to report on their fellow citizens who, in any way, who opposed Naziism.
August 9th, 2009 at 11:04 amSo…democrats have never put out info on protest strategies and diruptive tactics??? Of course they have!
August 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am