Beck: ‘Just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything.’
Beck: ‘Just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything.’
Among high-profile media pundits, Glenn Beck has used some of the most divisive language when speaking about President Obama. Just last week he called Obama a “racist” who “hates white people.” But yesterday on his Fox News show, an unusually subdued Beck turned down his hostility to deliver a message, in an apparent attempt to insulate himself, saying the interaction needs to be “respectful, polite, forceful and peaceful” because “one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything”:
BECK: If anyone thinks that it would be a good idea to turn violent, think again. It would destroy the Republic. They have awakened a sleeping giant. But just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything that everyone has worked so hard for. Because these people in Washington won’t pass up the use of an emergency. Look how the media ran with the abortion doctor killing. They tried to pin that despicable act on Fox in general and specifically Bill O’Reilly and me. …I don’t want to ever hear from our own Americans, anyone voicing some sort of Muslim-extremist type justification.
Watch it:
Washington Monthly’s Steve Benen writes: “Beck has spent months — literally screaming and crying — insisting that the president is a socialist/fascist/communist/racist who’s trying to destroy the country through totalitarian means. Major media outlets have plenty of irresponsible voices, but Beck has been unique in his insane rantings. It wasn’t hard to imagine some of his viewers/listeners getting so worked up, they might at least consider doing something dangerous.”
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Are you sure he wasn’t using right wing code words meaning “Timothy McVeigh, where are you?”
August 4th, 2009 at 11:23 amDid Rupert Murdoch’s lawyers have a little sit-down with Ms. Beck?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:24 amin NAZI Germany, Hitler’s chief propaganda artist, Julius Streicher also disregarded ethical standards and skirted the edges of German media laws. He also made outrageous claims against jews and fomented hatred with one hand and feigning ignorance with the other.
his mantra regarding his lies?…..“something always sticks”
let’s hope Beck suffers the same fate as Streicher.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:26 amBeck is still just being Beck. Stir things up with violent and coded words, watch the results, deny the blame. He knows he and O’Reilly stirred the pot of violence against Dr. Tiller, and he now places the blame on someone in Washington. This non-statement is exactly that: a non-statement. Expect more of the same from this mouthpiece.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:26 amBeck should try breaking the pills in half for a while.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:27 amMuslim-extremist type justification?
You mean (and I paraphrase your own words) like this:
Because these people in Washington won’t pass up the use of an emergency. Look how the Bush Administration ran with the 9/11 attacks? They tried to pin that despicable act on Iraq and misled us into an unjustifiable war…
August 4th, 2009 at 11:27 amBut just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything that everyone has worked so hard for. Because these people in Washington won’t pass up the use of an emergency.
Also a lunatic like Timothy McVeigh would try to kill hundreds of innocent men, women and children. But for Republicans, the only thing that matters is that it would hurt them politically.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:28 amAs we have seen many arrested and two man who have murdered innocent people with the guidance of people from Fox News. Now one might ask why is Beck backing down? The answer is Law Suits that will be filed as a defense with many of those who have committed hate crimes. Yes as Sarah Palin push many to commit hate crimes so has the group on Fox News. O’Reilly had pushed for so long for someone to kill the Abortion Doctor and many tried and one succeeded. Now the Fox News is asking wacko’s to hurt Obama and minorities. Check you Law Books and you’ll see when you encourage a person to commit a crime you are also responsible in part for that action. You can bet those men sitting in jail are saying they were influenced by the Fox News and many more are also.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:28 amThe genie is out of the bottle, Glen. Congratulations on validating the terminal dumb ass demographic.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:29 amThe Moderate Squad says:
Did Rupert Murdoch’s lawyers have a little sit-down with Ms. Beck?
I think so! This morning Beck was on Fox & Friends saying that as bad as things are violence is not the answer. The others just sat there staring at him for a minute until someone said okay, then what should be done? Pray he said, get down on your knees and pray.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:29 amI really fear that one of those “teabaggers” or “birthers” will decide to “do God’s will” and someone will be hurt, perhaps shot, by those lunatics.
Beck and his fellow harpies are stirring the pot while bringing it to a boil. God forbid something should happen to one of our congressional representatives or senators because of the inflammatory rhetoric of Beck et al.
By the way, Lou Dobbs is a moron.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:29 amSchizophrenia is a serious mental illess, and this see-saw, irrational lunacy to some sort of lucidity, should be cause for this guy to be checked.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am* * *
interesting that beck acknowledges
that mcveigh is one their own.
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August 4th, 2009 at 11:31 amThis is just a ridiculous attempt to cover his own butt! Sure Beck, rile up the crazies and then have no ownership of what they do. Beck is irresponsible and he will own the problem of wingnuts committing acts of violence because of what they’ve been fed from his show.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:31 amDoes any rational person (read: Not Beck/rabid right/odd assortment of trolls we get in these parts) really believe that if we DO get another Oklahoma City, it would come at the hands of “Muslim extremists” and not right-wing terrorists like McVeigh?
Beck won’t be off the air until innocent blood is shed in America.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:33 amThe Aussie must have slipped some thorazine in Beck’s coffee.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 amIf he fears someone might act on his crazy speak, then maybe he should cool it down, that way he could really wash his hands of any crazy act. Otherwise this is just another act.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 amGlenn Beck, ladies and gentlemen, the master of observation. How did we ever get by without his intelligent discourse and keen eye?
ha ha
August 4th, 2009 at 11:35 amSo, you yell “fire!” in a crowded theater, and then, just as people are about to be trampled, you whisper, “but don’t panic” and you think this absolves you of any responsibility?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:36 amBob says:
Schizophrenia is a serious mental illess
Nah, Bob, it’s nothing nearly that serious. It’s just show biz. And it pays EXCEEDINGLY well.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:36 amGlenn Bleeeech! is a certifiable loony-toon. Right now, he’s enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame and I don’t blame him for warning off the lunatic fringe who actually take his insane rantings seriously. After all, if one of those morons explodes, it will entirely ruin his gig. He’ll either have to find a real job (a remote possibility) or climb back into a bottle of Jim Beam (very likely).
August 4th, 2009 at 11:37 amOf course, just by invoking McVeigh’s name Beck has managed to define Obama’s actions as something a particularly irate citizen might respond to by getting violent.
In other words he’s saying that if someone were to do something, it’s not that it would be inappropriate per se (or surprising – I can just see him shaking his head sadly saying something about how he could see that coming) but that it would damage their cause.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:42 amJackie @8 wrote:
I think you could be absolutely right. I’m hope so, anyway. This might be a CYA move on the part of Fox News.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:42 amIt offends me to no end that Beck and Limbaugh hide behind the label “entertainer”, as if what they spew is harmless and benign. They don’t even have the cajones to admit they are promoting their own sick agenda. How can anyone believe this is “entertainment”? They are a cancer on our society.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am1. It’s very telling that his first concern would be the political ramifications, rather than the victims.
2. If someone is a true patriot, willing to die for their country, and they happen to be stupid enough to believe Beck’s ravings, the only non-hypocritical response would be armed insurrection. Let’s just be grateful that most people stupid enough to listen to Beck also tend to be hypocrites.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:43 amI just took a peek at that lunatic woman’s (Nancy Genovese) MySpace page. It’s clear that she’s deluded and irrational. Thank goodness she was caught before she could cause real harm. Glenn Beck’s recent little speech was not heartfelt in the least. It’s only a way to cover his smelly ass should one of his viewers crack and go postal on us.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:44 amHere we have the Baboon inciting his stupid Fox News viewers:
via The Young Turks
Is Glenn Beck Encouraging Violence Towards Obama?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:45 amIf I wasn’t a lady, I’d be calling Beck a JERKOFF!!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:45 amI read someplace that Beck is a Mormon. If that is true, his ‘magical’ underwear must be squeezing his testicles and screaming at him,”we have enough stupid bullshit on our plate! Knock it off!”
August 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amOh boy, it sounds like someone took Beck to the woodshed. This probably has something to do with the woman who was caught on an army base with guns and ammunition. She told authorities that she thought the base was a re-education camp and that she thought that because Glen Beck said so. It sounds like Fixed is getting a little worried about liability factors.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amMy first thought too, joe.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amevangenital says:
I really fear that one of those “teabaggers” or “birthers” will decide to “do God’s will” and someone will be hurt, perhaps shot, by those lunatics.
My fear is that the person they hurt will be our President. And that’s exactly what they are after. I’m not exactly sure why they think that’s the answer. Do they really think that they would have more control over Joe Biden?
August 4th, 2009 at 11:51 amGreat point @ #6. The entire Bush administration canned be summed up with the words “Muslim-extremist justification.” And Beck was there to wave his pom-poms for the whole thing. It’s particularly galling to hear him now call for civility, after touting the GOPs little handbook on how to shout down healthcare information in public forums.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:52 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Notice he doesn’t decry violence for it’s own sake, he is just afraid of giving the imaginary “leftists” an excuse. Every time Becky says, “these people in Washington“, gun sales go up.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:52 amI’ll keep this as simply put as I can make it. I know hindsight is 20/20…
But you should have told your sheep this in the first place, Beck.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:57 amI just had a thought. Considering all the horrible things that George Bush and Friends did to this country for 8 years, can anyone remember a left leaning talk show host EVER do anything that could be pointed to as “inciting” their listeners to violence? I can’t think of one.
August 4th, 2009 at 11:58 amMy Wingnut to English dictionary translates Beck’s comment as follows:
“It is all Obama’s fault that homicidal maniacs are screaming for blood (i.e. “they have awakened a sleeping giant”). I don’t give a damn about the US Constitution and favor free elections only when my people win but I recognize that my lunatics would get wiped out if they started shooting because after all that Muslim guy does control the military (”. . . could ruin everything that everyone has worked so hard for”). One of my fans taking a shot at Obama might make even Fox think twice about putting me on the air and a full scale riot would put my audience at Supermax or in the morgue (”. . . could ruin everything that [I have] worked for”). Let’s go easy people, I almost have enough swag to buy that private island.”
August 4th, 2009 at 12:00 pmpops7154 says:
Sorry, dude, but inciting violence is wrong, period.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmits also against the terms of service on this blog, so flagging you as well as voting down.
Is this little display intended to inoculate Beck against any backlash if and when some nut case takes his rants to heart and takes action?
Yeah — in the aftermath, when fingers are pointing to the hatemongers, Beck wants to be able to bring out this film clip, thinking it will absolve him of all blame.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThe footnote to the article says it all. That woman who was arrested scared him a little. Not because of what she might have done but because he might have been blamed for stirring her up. Beck, like all the other rightie vaudevillains, likes to talk big but he’s not man enough to take responsibility for whatever violence or problems his irresponsible words cause. He’s doing the cya dance today. Pathetic.
I would love to meet him in an elevator. If I could have just two minutes with him, I could make him cry like a little girl.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pmRecently here in Houston, a furniture store was set on fire – they caught the arsonist. In a tv interview, the police investigator stated that the arsonist was a big glen beck fan. This type of stuff doesn’t surprise me, what does surprise me is the irresponsibility of media owners and politicians – they’re lack of action in reining this type of hate talk in. They know they’re dealing with the bottom feeders, but they continue to egg them on – and fein ignorance or no responsibility to the outcome. Shameful.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pmI’ve gone through the video again, and I came up with another nugget to chew on.
See, this is the problem with Beck’s use of historical anecdotes. While the chronicle of the first Americans’ plight for recognition from England is very real, it is not romantic in the eyes of neither historians NOR Beck himself.
The “peace pipe”–diplomatic conversation and discussion–is an important tool in history, but this is a device that Beck has constantly ignored in his depictions of how the world should be run. Beck constantly cites unrest from the Revolutionary and Cold War eras and makes associations towards how those ways should be the way now.
The controversy between early Americans and the English empire is not remembered for the diplomacy between sides. It is sadly remembered as one of social unrest. Beck is just trying to massage his words so that he isn’t found responsible for inciting the public.
This is your mess, Glenn Beck. A disclaimer will not clean it up.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pmBECK: If anyone thinks that it would be a good idea to turn violent, think again.
Is Beck alluding to one of his ardent viewers who just got busted ‘casing’ a ANG base she thought it was a FEMA ‘camp’?
It would destroy the Republic.
Who describes the US as “The Republic”? That’s just weird.
They have awakened a sleeping giant.
Who has? And who is the sleeping giant? (and why is Beck quoting Admiral Yamamoto?)
But just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh could ruin everything that everyone has worked so hard for.
Screaming and yelling that Obama is a Kenyan, a Muslim, a socialist, a communist, a fascist, the antichrist, that Obama wants to take away our guns, euthanize anyone over 60, make abortions mandatory, spend us all into oblivion is hard work? And what exactly has all that hard work been for?
What’s been the result, except the hysteria that Beck has been making a career of whipping up, and the mindless obstruction to vital policies?
Because these people in Washington won’t pass up the use of an emergency.
Meaning the government, meaning the Obama administration.
So after telling everybody that Obama’s plan is for a totalitarian state and that he needs to be thwarted in that goal, Beck is now saying that the hysteria and aggressive opposition he’s been fomenting now needs to be scaled back or Obama WILL use it as an excuse to impose martial law? So Beck is still claiming that Obama has fascist intentions.
Look how the media ran with the abortion doctor killing. They tried to pin that despicable act on Fox in general and specifically Bill O’Reilly and me. …I don’t want to ever hear from our own Americans, anyone voicing some sort of Muslim-extremist type justification.
Our own Americans? Meaning Beck’s crazy fans. Yup, Beck is well aware of the woman’s arrest at the ANG base and doesn’t want to be pinned with inciting her to violence.
“some sort of Muslim-extremist type justification.”
Like Obama is the Anti Christ, (“Satan”)? Too late, Beck.
This appeal is going to do nothing except give Beck some cover. Ah, now I understand the “sleeping giant” reference.
Beck is Yamamoto. HE ( not “they”) has “woken a sleeping giant” and it’s just dawned on him what he’s done with his theatrics and fearmongering.
But there’s no reason to suppose that morons Beck has riled up will listen now to his plea for calm. It would mean abandoning everything they’ve been taught and believed up until now. Beck has fomented a Jihad, it has its own cells and other leaders and and it has a life of its own.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pmNow that the Republican insurgency is gearing up for their terror campaign, it seems that at least one of the ringleaders is getting cold feet. Osama bin Laden would be so disappointed in you, Glenn.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:14 pmI love it when Beck is forced to play Smithers to Rupert Murdoch’s Mr. Burns.
“Careful Smithers! That sponge has corners…”
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pmGlenn Beck said,
No Mr. Beck, they have not awakened a sleeping giant. You and your fascist theocratic Republican C-Street family have.
Americans that have not voted for years went out and voted your party out of power. Not only have we stripped you from power, but we have only just begun to have our vengeance.
We are going to remove you from every government position, elected or otherwise. We are going to root the fascist theocrat Republicans out of our businesses and out of our society.
The Republican Party supported the use of torture. This is unacceptable. The Republican Party is using propaganda to influence Americans against their own best interest and fraud to influence our elected leaders. This is also unacceptable. There are dozens of other behaviors that the American people find unacceptable, including having you on the air, Mr. Beck.
The Republican Party is unacceptable. Mr. Beck, you and your fellow propagandists and the rest of the C-Street crime family have awakened the sleeping giant of the American people. We demand that you fascists be held accountable to the law and we will never stop.
The vengeance of this giant will be terrible.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pmI caught that too, 5th. Is Beck historically putting himself in league with Imperial Japan, shitting peach pits because they pissed off America? This guy can’t even grovel correctly…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pmBecause these people in Washington won’t pass up the use of an emergency.
This is more incitement to violence. He is telling his Republican insurgents to be ready for reprisal by the government when they begin their right-wing terror campaign.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pmits the big old CYA before the storm.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pm“But just one lunatic like Timothy McVeigh”
Dear Glenda Becky,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmyou forgot to mention timothy mcveigh was one of yours: a “big government” fearing, rabid second amendment righter, repukelican who only did what you’re ginning up others to do…
The Moderate Squad says: (sleeping giant) I caught that too, 5th. Is Beck historically putting himself in league with Imperial Japan, shitting peach pits because they pissed off America?
The America that voted in Obama and the Democrats? The mjaority? Not how I interpreted it but especially in relation to his nutty fan bent on violence against an ANG base, I think your interpretation is the correct one.
Beck is genuinely scared this time, because of the woman;s facebook entires—a very direct link to him ( she writes that she stayed up until 2 am just to catch his show that she’d missed earlier in the day! Now that’s commitment!)
August 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pmGlenn ‘crybaby’ Beck is scared his dog & pony show will get blamed.
He doesn’t care about you.
He doesn’t care about principles.
Beck cares about his salary & his self importance.
End of story.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pmWhat does Glenn Beck think will happen when he brings on the crazy? Most of his audience is heavily armed and none too sane.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmI guess being a domestic terrorist leader isn’t turning out to be as much fun as Glenn Beck thought it would be.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It’s very scary that she could get her hands on an arsenal like that.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pmI wonder how Glenn Beck’s followers would react if a right wing extremist put a bullet between Glenn Beck’s eyes.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pmBeck AND Fox Media corporation have been inciting radical activisim for months. When someone finally is hurt by one of the rabid fringe fans, they will be the cowards that they typcially are and say “it wasn’t our fault”. Guaranteed.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pmi wanna puke every time i see that soft, pudgy, pasty mug.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pmHe looks the type that as a kid got his ass kicked on a daily basis in school.
probably well deserved.
Ditto to the above comments suggesting the someone in power is calling Beck on the carpet for inflaming the nutsos.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pmdelafield says:
I wonder how Glenn Beck’s followers would react if a right wing extremist put a bullet between Glenn Beck’s eyes.
They would say that Glenn Beck could have saved his own life if the Government had let him buy an armored tank for his own protection.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pm/snark
vigor,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pmthey didn’t find a missle launcher either, should we celebrate that, you freaking moron?
Vigor,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pma .223 or .225 round in a military style weapon capable of modification to fully-automatic is MOST certainly an assault rifle.
Now go fcuk your lying, stupid-sh*t mouth…
vigor says, “An M-16 is like a .22 caliber rifle”.
Well by golly Mr. Vigor, now I know why we lost the Vietnam War. We sent our boys into combat with squirrel guns. Thank you for your expertise on firearms.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pmVigor,
Common sense time: .22 ammo won’t cause as much damage as .38, .444, 7.62, 5.56 or really any other caliber. Getting shot by a .22 bullet might not, in itself, be fatal. Getting shot by 500 .22 bullets sure as hell is.
You’re what’s wrong with people “exercising their 2nd amendment rights.” The 2nd amendment exists as an implicit right to self-defense. Nonetheless, the Founding Fathers would’ve had something to say if people back then walked around with a musket in each arm and a mortar or five at home. A handgun can be self-defense. An assault rifle (XM15, from Bushmaster. Modified M16/AR15 for civilian use) capable of firing 800 rounds per minute is used to incite chaos, violence, and murder. And, since you’re such a defender of the Constitution, this is a woman who ostensibly was going to use said assault rifle against American soliders. You sicken me.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pmI beg to differ.
Just one lunatic like Glenn Beck can ruin the whole thing.
Why wait for the Second Coming of Timothy McVeigh?
Now that you’re firmly seated on the tiger, Mr. Beck, what’s your exit strategy? Oh, I see; blame the trouble you’ve had a really strong hand in stirring up on someone else. It’s that same ol’ rePublicrite mantra; words that rePublicrites say have no consequences, regardless of how provacative they might seem, but them Democrats and Liberals best be careful with the truth – that’s incendiary.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pmI read the other day that President Obama receives about 30 Death threats per day. I will continue to pray for him and his wonderful family. God Bless America and the world !
August 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pmOh please. The trolls continue to get stupider.
1. The woman is clearly deranged and shouldn’t own any weapon.
2. A long barreled shotgun, depending on ammo, is often deadlier than a “riot gun”.
3. Her rifle is chambered in 5.65X45mm which is the NATO standard military rifle and light machine gun caliber. It’s also capable of using high capacity clips (Though I didn’t see any mention of how many clips she had.)
Go try to pedal your idiocy among the ignorant rubes at RedState, stupid troll. I’ve owned and studied guns my whole life and your crap won’t fly here.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pmKilling people is not a right. Encouraging people to kill other people is also not a right. It is a crime.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pmBTW. Do you know why the U.S. and NATO went to the small caliber in the first place? Because the reduced recoil makes it possible to shoot more rounds more accurately than a larger caliber. It’s designed for volume of fire AND NOTHING ELSE.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm***
vigor and pops.
tim and terry.
:|
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pmvigor says a lot of semantic crap about guns and self respecting milita types.
The regular TP community actually has quite a few gun owners and they are valued members here.
An army issue M4 uses a 5.56mm standard NATO round.
5.56mm = 0.219 of an inch.
Round up and you get .22″ or .22
That’s what the US soldier uses to kill his enemies, .22 bullets.
The XM-15 is a deadly weapon. Your “hunting rifle” comment is stupid. If you can kill a deer, you can kill a human.
Your stupidity is insulting. Piss off.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pmvigor,
I’m sorry. Are you here arguing semantics on what counts as an “arsenal” here? Dude, she had weaponry on her person and was loonier than the Cocoa Puffs bird in a General Mills factory.
Not to mention that this was reported as an “arsenal” by the NEW YORK POST. If you want to argue about the content of the story, take it to Rupert Murdoch.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:06 pmHA HA! Vigor set up his own ambush and got lit-up and fragged by “The Fightin’ Libs”.
Well done all! That was too easy!
August 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pmI find this sentence very telling. “Just one lunatic…could ruin everything” This sound to me like it requires lots of lunatics to prevent everything from being ruined.
I also found the choice of the words, “everything” and “everyone” most interesting. Who is everyone? One lunatic probably could not ruin everything for every American, as in the case of Timothy McVeigh. While he killed a lot of people, he certainly did not ruin everything for everyone.
I must assume that the “everyone” is every one of Beck’s followers, and not every American. If that is the case, then the sentences meaning changes to:
That made me wonder what Beck meant by “everything” When someone tells me that I “ruined everything” it usually means I spoiled some kind of plan, or destroyed something that took a great effort to achieve. Assuming Beck meant that “everything” is some kind of plan, it makes we wonder what the Republicans are planning that requires violence by groups larger than one.
So to translate this sentence into non-Republican English, what Beck really said was:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pmBeck is literally calling for the “lunatics” to form terrorist cells so they can carry out violence against the people of the United States of America to further whatever plan it is that Beck’s followers have “worked so hard for”.
5th Estate,
Since trolls are stupid, ignorant, and incurious they believe others are too. But even the relatively rational ones can’t give one good reason why a civilian, even in a “Red Dawn” scenario, needs a weapon designed for volume of fire.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pm60. Vigor sez:…
No effing NRA apologetics, Vigor. You’re being less than candid. Sure, a center-fire .223 round, which is what the XM-15 is chambered for, is not much larger than a .22, but the basic ball ammunition round is exactly what is used by the military. Since this yo-yo was probably using commercial hunting cartridges, which may have been jacketed hollow points or something similar, any poor bozo that got in front of her had she let fly could be seriously maimed or dead. Don’t forget that people get killed by .22s all time too and getting on the wrong end of a shotgun load isn’t going to make your day very pleasant either; go ask Cheney’s lawyer buddy about that one.
She’s a fruitcake and has no business wandering around a military post, even an ANG post, armed like that, unless they have a range that she has an invitation or permission to use.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pmIt is my sincerest wish that a plague befalls the building in New York that houses all of these crackpot whack jobs who work for Faux “News”.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pmVirtual Pebble says:
She’s a fruitcake and has no business wandering around a military post.
What concerns me is that she is clearly bonkers – and as our troll pointed out, not properly armed. So, that implies in bold terms that the less insane and far more dangerous folks are out there – better armed – on similar missions.
She only got caught because she’s nuts…I fear for the Americans who come in between the others and their missions. It really scares the crap out of me.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pmpete : “Since trolls are stupid, ignorant, and incurious…?
What makes me so crazy about nitwits like vigor is not so much their assumption that all liberals hate guns, but that liberals know nothing about them.
Numbties like vigor are actually MORE ignorant about weapons and the military than the average liberal (on TP anyway).
There have been quite a few self-appointed military experts who have shown up here in the past, and they have ALL been shockingly ignorant and ill-informed about even the simplest thing (as vigor so brilliantly demonstrated).
August 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pmBeck’s looking for plausible deniability. Too late jerkoff, tell it to the judge. He should be in prison right next to Charles Manson.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pmWhat Vigor and the other ignorant right wing cowards don’t seem to understand is the cities are full of people with concealable weapons. And those people use them on other people routinely not just on can out behind the double wide. If President Obama gets hurt there is going to be a whole lot of folks looking to hurt somebody. And Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Murdoch and the rest of them won’t find walls big enough to keep them safe. And that’s not counting the old fashioned liberals with military experience who will defend themselves from the Nazi militia types. They’re all like Vigor and think we’d all be sitting ducks for their insanity. It’s the same mentality that got them destroyed during the Civil War.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm5th Estate,
That was my point. The stupid trolls are so stupid that they can’t imagine others aren’t as stupid as they are. Whether it’s the trolls exposing their ignorance about weapons, or Shelly Bachmann’s (InsaneR-Mn.) quoting page numbers of Bills that haven’t been written, they never dream that someone else may know better or, failing that, simply check the facts.
The part that I find maddening is that, once they have been misinformed, they will violently defend the misinformation despite all refutation.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pmWell Beck, it sure takes one idiot to know another idiot.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:53 pmAs strange as this sounds it is only a matter of time before Beck goes too far even for Faux. This will be fun to watch!
August 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
JAQUEBAUER.
Hello.
And goodbye.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:05 pmGround control to JAQUEBAUER please put your helmet on.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pmI’ve got two words for the “new” STUPID TROLL.
Air strikes…
August 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pmright JAQUEBAUER, and what about those lazy types who inherit their money and contribute nothing to society? Of course you never rant and rail against them, because you’re a willing pawn in the class warfare corporate America has forced on you…Who needs lobbyists when they have people like you willing to slit your throats?
August 4th, 2009 at 4:32 pmFox News, “All the News that is good to wrap fish with”
August 4th, 2009 at 4:40 pm93 PilotShark sez:…
No, no, no, PilotShark. JerkBauer needs to put his tin-foil cap on first, then his helmet. Not that we can do much to improve the odds for a crash test dummy, but…
And JerqueBoober, you can go back to your reruns of “24″ now. Remember to take plenty of your hate lit with you to the can to wipe yer bum, too, dearie…
August 4th, 2009 at 5:11 pm***
i never got to read jaquebauer’s
comment… was it interesting?
:)
August 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pmJAQUEBAUER,
“Wake up America, before Obama destroys all we have worked hard for”
I must apologize for taking this phrase out of context, but considering the nature of your comment, I really don’t think it matters.
I am surprised a conservative has finally taken credit for all the hard work of the last 8 years. I give you credit; you are a man among lesser mortals.
I find it amusing that the present state of the Republican Party constitutes hard work. I do see money being made, ratings being checked and rechecked. And make no mistake; the country knows exactly whose lap this present state of affairs truly belongs in.
I find it interesting that Murch’s Beck appears to be distancing himself from the polarization he helped to generate. I see Dobb’s ratings slip and FOX and NBC trying to put a damper on the rhetoric. They are getting scared!
The Bush administration had a vision of America, and we see the results of that vision.
If our present condition constitutes all the “hard work” you conservatives are crowing about, you are truly delusional and pathetic.
The Bush Legacy is not a vision I hold for America.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pmAmerica deserves far better.
Oh come on guys,
For a middle of the road guy, Beck is really funny.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:07 pm98. joe cantwell says: i never got to read jaquebauer’s
comment… was it interesting?
joe, it is perhaps interesting as a historical artifact. it’s the first trollscreed I’ve seen that looks like something out of the ’60s. I think the troll JerqueBowWow may have learned bircherismo and white citizens council at his pappy’s or grandpappy’s knee – and I do mean bircherism, as in John Birch Society, Robert Welch Presiding, not birtherism, although the troll JerqueBowWow is probably that latter too. one can never have too much of a good thing, ya know.
it is possible too that JerqueBowWow is just an old farht fascist, rather than an adolescent barking his daddy’s tune. who’s to say? JerqueBowWow, his sef, perhaps?
note that he conflates race and social movement politics, i.e., the mixed “race” of our president and communism. that’s straight out of the Bircher/WCC playbook.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:06 am100. Deuce Coupe says: Oh come on guys, For a middle of the road guy, Beck is really funny.
I don’t buy it, Deuce. He might be funny if he weren’t jacked up on meds and driving on the wrong side of the middle of the road head on at everyone else.
He’s playing the provocateur to a bunch of folks who aren’t wrapped too tight to begin with and he’s almost acknowledged that he might be pushing one or more into doing a McVeigh.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out that Beck’s producer got a call in the middle of the night from the US Attorney for the state that ANG base is in. He might have had a couple of questions for Beck and said producer about why this nice crazy lady is running around an ANG base unauthorized, with a story. Not only with a story, but with unauthorized weaponry, too. Said story being about how Beck told her via radidio or teevee that said ANG base was a FEMA concentration camp.
It might interest some to know that carrying weapons and cameras and some other stuff on some installations, particularly active military installations, and especially active federal military installations, is a no-no. Some NG and ANG installations are federal, and I would expect most that are not to have similar rules in place under their particular state law. Someone that sent someone else out to wander onto a base with a gun might be in just as much trouble as the gun carrier.
Put that way, even a yo-yo like Beck might sit up and take notice.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:34 amBravo to all of the excellent comments here! I think of all the progressive blogs I’ve been on, the comments here at TP are the most intelligent of them all….except of course for all of the comments made here by the intellectually challenged, drooling, knuckle dragging neanderthals on the right.
August 7th, 2009 at 3:02 am