FLASHBACK: In 2008, McCain Said That Judicial Appointments Are The ‘President’s Call’
FLASHBACK: In 2008, McCain Said That Judicial Appointments Are The ‘President’s Call’
On Sunday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) warned that Republicans are in a “very, very deep hole that we’ve got to come out of” with Latino voters, but he waited just 24 hours after making that statement to come out against the first Latina nominated to the Supreme Court. He claims that he opposes “activist judges,” yet he is effusive in his praise of right-wing justices who routinely impose their own ideological views on the law.
Similarly, now that President Obama is in the White House, McCain feels comfortable opposing the President’s well-qualified first nominee to the Supreme Court. But in 2008, when McCain thought he might be president, he sang a very different tune:
When President Bill Clinton nominated Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsberg to serve on the high court, I voted for their confirmation, as did all but a few of my fellow Republicans. Why? For the simple reason that the nominees were qualified, and it would have been petty, and partisan, and disingenuous to insist otherwise. Those nominees represented the considered judgment of the president of the United States. And under our Constitution, it is the president’s call to make… It is part of the discipline of democracy to respect the roles and responsibilities of each branch of government, and, above all, to respect the verdicts of elections and judgment of the people. Had we forgotten this in the Senate, we would have been guilty of the very thing that many federal judges do when they overreach, and usurp power, and betray their trust.
In fairness to McCain, it may be premature to criticize the senator for opposing Sotomayor. After all, the Senate is not expected to vote on her confirmation until Thursday evening, and who knows how many times John McCain will change his mind between now and then?
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But, but, but this guy foisted Sarah Palin upon the nation.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pmWho knows how many times McCain will manage to get his trousers on with the zipper in front between now and then?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmEither he is going senile, or he is just another repiggie with extremely flexible principles.
Whichever it is, he needs to retire. Let him go play golf, or chase skirt, or pitch Viagra, or whatever.
By the way, Lou Dobbs is a moron.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmAfter all, the Senate is not expected to vote on her confirmation until Thursday evening, and who knows how many times John McCain will change his mind between now and then?
Depends on which crowd he has been talking to last, which way the wind is blowing and whether or not his Depends are full.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pmOnce McCain decided to drink the kool-aid and sell his soul for a chance of becoming President, you might as well forget about any sort of consistency
August 4th, 2009 at 12:08 pmGrampy McSame says – My friends back in the day we only had conservatives in this country, now look, liberal thinkers all over the place, what a mess, now what we need in the Courts are really, really old, cranky white men, you know, the ‘get off my lawn’ cranky old men, now I know my lawns and those other guys are great at lawn care, it’s in their genes, but a woman should keep to the kitchen, you know, cleaning and stuff, all kinds of stuff, I like stuff, lots of stuff, little stuffed footballs are the best stuff, I heard Cindy once yelling ‘Yes, stuff it, stuff it hard.’ I didn’t know what our gardener was stuffing but she liked it…oh my, I stuffed my diapers again…gosh.
We know John, the drug addled abuser of underage male dominican republic prostitutes had a little talk with you..and now you know what to say.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pm…now that President Obama is in the White House, McCain feels comfortable opposing the President’s well-qualified first nominee to the Supreme Court.
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I’m still waiting for any of the Sotomayor opposition to explain why this alleged racist, sexist, unqualified, temperamental, bias, partisan judge was appointed to a federal bench by Dubya.
Perhaps McCain would be willing to step up to the plate and explain that one to us?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pmraynman says:
Once McCain decided to drink the kool-aid and sell his soul for a chance of becoming President, you might as well forget about any sort of consistency
I beg to differ. Just exactly when was McCain ever consistent, except for his consistency of being inconsistent? =D
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watchdog incoherently babbles again:
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wtachpoop thinks McCain is “raciest”. Personally, I find him more stodgy than racy.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pmGrow up, it’s hypocrisy.
When he thought that HE might be the one picking the next justice, he bragged about how he voted to confirm Clinton’s nominees, with the implication that the senate should for to confirm whoever HE should nominate.
Now… not so much. Whatever happened to this:
It is part of the discipline of democracy to respect the roles and responsibilities of each branch of government, and, above all, to respect the verdicts of elections and judgment of the people.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pmwatch out, Turkey, watchpup likes to eat bacon.
**getting popcorn for the troll on troll action**
August 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pmLMAO
Cindy will make sure Grampa gets his memory lost medication. Senator McCain is suffering from what most elders suffer from that’s memory lost. Now he is rooted in racism but has done thinks to make others think he isn’t. John McCain never became the man his Father was and that has eaten him up over the years. It was hard enough to see Dr. King get a holiday and now to see a Black President well McCain just can’t stand it. He could careless about the voters of Arizona it’s all about the money he gets from Lobbyist to vote in their favor.
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watchdog says:
Is our children learning?
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmWayne, that was funny, until I formed a mental picture of what “troll on troll action” would really look like.
Eeeeeeeewwww.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pmI bet he wanted to foist her upon something else….just sayin
August 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pmYou neglect the important part of this story.
It’s not that Republicans will vote against Judge Sotomayor. We knew that would happen.
The story is that John McCain made a big pretense out of respecting the duty and judgment of the President, when it was possible that he would be the next one.
Now he seems to have changed his tune.
If you can find a Democratic Senator who said something similar when Clinton was president and then voted against Roberts or Alito, then you’ve got a case to make. Until then, you’ve got bupkus.
It’s the hypocrisy. get it?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey Bacon says:
ralph the wonder llama,
Democrats voted against Roberts and Alito, why would all Republicans vote for Sotomayor. This is a double standard.
Turkey, I am fairly sure ralph would love to have a battle of wits with you, if you were not unarmed.
Do you always take a bowl of macaroni to a gunfight?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:26 pmO geez, Turkey is whining on every post
why are you right wing cowards such whiny little babies?
And are you really too stupid to discern the difference between general politics and blatant hypocrisy?
of course you are, you’re an ignorant, cowardly little right wing sissy
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ralph the wonder llama says:
Wayne, that was funny, until I formed a mental picture of what “troll on troll action” would really look like.
Eeeeeeeewwww
I’d think it would look like Watchdoggystyle with a reach around thrown in for good measure.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pmpoor little turkey
angry for being born with a tiny brain
now taking it out on this blog
sad little pansy
August 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pmWaste of time Ralph. This one’s username is appropriatly an oxymoron.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
McCain is the ultimate hypocrite. He backed out at the last mintue when Gore was running for President, he was supposed to run on the Democratic ticket as Gore’s VP.
Today he’s a Republican, tomorrow he will be act like a Democrat, then he will act like a Republican again. He says whatever he needs to say to get votes.
He has no true allegiance.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmlol, Turkey thinks my pointing out his obvious ignorance and cowardice is an attack
I guess most ignorant cowards would think that, given their limited cognitive abilities
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmYou progressives act like children when people are opposed to you. You cry and whine like spoiled brats. Just deal with it, its politics
Hmm… like this?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmbetter call whine wun wun
turkey needs a waaambulance
August 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Sigh…
I’ll try to explain. When Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsberg they were accused by Flippy McSpin’s “fellow Republicans” of being activist judges. There was a lot more accuracy to that claim about them than about Judge Sotomayor. Despite this, Sen. McCain voted for their confirmation.
Now? Ol’ Flippy is pushing the same old argument, despite Judge Sotomayor’s record of judicial impartiality, that any judge appointed by Obama must be an “activist”. And he’s doing precious little to hide the fact that he’s doing it just to placate the Reichwhiners.
And that is the “double standard” being discussed.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
He backed out at the last mintue when Gore was running for President, he was supposed to run on the Democratic ticket as Gore’s VP.
What?
Do you mean Kerry?
I’ve never heard anything linking McCain to Gore’s run.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey is too ignorant to realize how we know he is a coward
Here’s a hint turkey: right wingers fear gays, women, brown skin, the English language, languages other than English, immigrants, fair markets, diplomacy, health care reform, liberals, and everything else the radio tells them to fear
right wingers are cowards
you admit to being a right winger
therefore, you are a coward
if a=b and b=c then a=c
August 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pmOops! “Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsberg were nominated…”
August 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pmwhat do you expect? grampy mclame can’t remember if he needs to change his depends before or after crapping in them, nevermind what he said last year
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmnice try pete, but turkey is a typical ignorant cowardly right winger:
he decides what he believes, then ignores all facts that prove his beliefs erroneous
August 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmAll we know is what you present to us. With that you have sucessfully labeled yourself. Happy trails.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pmturkey just wants to run the show. show him the door.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pmTurkey Bacon says:
“Glenn beck gets passionate and that is your example? Ha ha ha ha! Seriously, how about Olberman’s anger and rage? When he gets red and screams? Care to discuss that?”
actually, i would care to discuss it. i don’t recall olberman ever presenting a commentary about how this country is marching towards fascism with film footage of nazis in the background. nor do i recall olberman calling 43 a racist with a deep seeded hatred towards whites in an effort to justify the hatred for obama amongst the racist assclowns he calls his viewers/listeners.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pmCare to discuss that?
Not really… I’d prefer to discuss McCain’s current opposition to Sotomayor. What do you think is the role of Congress in dealing with judicial appointments?
Personally, I agree with McCain’s current position… I think the Senate should vet the appointments carefully… but I think his announced vote against her is the wrong decision. She will be a fine justice.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pmAny chance a Senator (probably a dem) will stand up to give comments on the Sotamayor confirmation and his comment will be a direct quote / plagarism of McCain.
I can dream can’t I ?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pmWe watch people like you and mccain so we can point out the inevitable hypocricy, racism, hatred, etc. that you stand for.
We won’t stop because you beg us. It’s unbecoming so stop it.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pmI don’t know that anyone does care how he votes, stupid troll. However he is making misleading public statements about a Supreme Court nominee and that concerns me because, despite the fact that all his political and personal credibility should be shot by now, there are still a few who listen to him.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pmAbout T.B.; reminds me of a motto back in my navy days;
It’s hard to soar like an eagle when you have to work with turkeys
just remembering when
August 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well, it’s not like 30% of his constituents are Hispanic or anything. Oh, wait….
August 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pmJust when you the McFlipper was done McFlopping he is back to McFlipping………once a HYPOCRITTER always a HYPOCRITTER.
GET OFF MY LAWN…………
August 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
‘…the Senate is not expected to vote on her confirmation until Thursday evening, and who knows how many times John McCain will change his mind between now and then?’
Eleven is a nice round number, I’ll go with that.
Where was Grampy’s outrage when Harriet ‘the housecleaner’ Meirs was nominated? I mean, she’s the only Mother W ever had.
And Barney’s his only Son.
John McCain; depends you can change into…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pmTurkey Bacon says:
“You just proved my point on how Progressives smear, mock and label people. It is a good tactic, I admit.”
we get it. you’ve memorized the talking point fed to you by the likes of glenda becky, midget boy insanity, angry trannie annie coulter and anchor baby malkin.
no one likes reruns
August 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey Bacon says:
August 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pmblah blah blah smear blah blah blah label blah blah blah
wow, Turkey just can’t stop whining
he gets called out for his obvious ignorance and cowardice and then cries about it
poor little guy
August 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThe Nazis did the same thing you progressive do.
If the Nazi’s had only Labeled, smeared and repeat then I doubt that they would have been as much of an issue in the thirties and forties… unfortunetly they also did the same thing you neo-cons do and started ‘pre-emptive’ wars and illegal detention centers for people who scared them.
Which is scarier? Which is illegal? Which is morally wrong?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ohhhh, innit cute? the cancervative is now putting words into people’s mouths@58
August 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pmTurkey, Keith Olberman doesn’t incite violence. Glenn Beck is the ringleader of a domestic terrorist cell. That is a big difference.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pmI wonder if Turkey’s ignorance is caused by his fear of information or is his fear caused by his ignorance?
probably a chicken or the egg argument
August 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey Bacon says:
Huh, its almost like you didn’t read what I wrote at all… surprising.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pmpoor turdkey bacon,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pmisn’t evident he’s the victim here and should be treated with kid gloves?
Turkey, You’re going to have to make just a little sense to be taken seriously. Misquoting other posters just shows how little you actually have.
Why not just go on out and play with the other kids for a while. You probably need the exercise.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pmpoor little turkey, trying to enter a battle of wits completely unarmed
no wonder he is getting owned
August 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pmTurkey, if you Republicans weren’t racist, immigrant hating misogynists, we wouldn’t be compelled to point it out.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pmright wingers are always playing the victim, it helps to spread the cowardice
August 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think Fred was right. This troll is a waste of time.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pmSo anyone who is not a Progressive is racist?
pretty much. I doubt you’d find many avowed Progs who would parrot racist shit like you do, anyway.
It’s as John Stuart Mill explained: Not all Conservatives are morons, but just about all morons are Conservatives…
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pmMcCain seems to have lost his interest in government since his dream of the presidency fell prey to the kiss of death from a pitbull wih lipstick.
A maverick’s only loyalty is to the corporate machine that keeps him fed.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pmturkey the neocon doesn’t even know what necon means?
wow, this one is a real thinker
August 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
There is a difference between loving women, and loving to control women.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmRantingTommy ,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmI know what a NeoCon is, I want to see if you know since using Alinsky’s tactics, you just label people with it.
Explain what is a NeoCon?
turkey is getting defeated here using his neocon playbook
poor little guy, can’t fight his way out of a wet paper sack
can’t think his way through a one-piece jigsaw puzzle
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmturdkeybacon@78
August 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmooooooooooo, we’re scared now!
shoeless,
August 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pmHow can women be controlled, they are unpredictable!
Must really be a blow to Turkey’s self-esteem to be getting so thoroughly pwned by folks he thinks are “not so tough to defeat”.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pmTurdkey Bacon says:
“You have got to be joking, I love Women!!!!!!!!! ”
do you love the fact they charge you?
August 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pmWhat’s a Neo-Conservative, you ask?
Someone who believes in the principles spelled out here.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Pre-Emptive War, Illegal Detention, Massive Military Build-up and Nationalism… you know, like the Nazis.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pmralph,
August 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pmpoor turdkey doesn’t seem to realize we’re passing him around like a three dollar whore whose rent’s due.
ralph the wonder llama says:
I think Fred was right. This troll is a waste of time.
Aren’t they all?
This one’s hung up on Alinsky, but doesn’t have the intelligence to understand that Rabid Righties use the same methodology to drum up their base.
Next, it will be pronouncing small business will die if we enact health care reform.
Did anyone check his birth certificate when he came in the door?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pmwow, most people would be embarrassed to be exposed as an ignorant coward
not turkey, he’s not smart enough to realize how stupid he is
August 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pmMe thinks Turkey Bacon was last seen in the background of Sarah Palin’s “turkey pardoning ceremony”. Only he was the one who was head-first in the killing machine.
Explains a lot.
PEACE
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lol, turkey is obsessed with this Alinksy
just repeats the same talking point over and over
typical neocon tactic
too stupid to realize how owned he is
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pmShocked, that someone on the Right knows about Alinsky’s tactics?
Hey!
Where are they handing out Alinsky’s book? I never got my copy…
I can’t label effectively if I haven’t finished the play book!
August 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pmTurkey Bacon says
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
So because Sotomayor is Spanish, McCain must vote for her? Isn’t that a racist view? can’t you oppose someone for a non racial reason? I’m trying to figure out the progressive way of thinking.
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1. Sotomayor isn’t Spanish, she’s an American who’s of Puerto Rican ethnicity. Spanish people are from Spain. Merely being able to speak Spanish and/or being born among people for whom Spanish is a first language doesn’t make somebody from Spain. I speak English, which was my first language. This doesn’t make me English.
2. No, McCain doesn’t have to vote for Sotomayor because she is Latina. He should vote for her because she is an extraordinarily qualified judge. He should vote for her because the last president (a Republican) thought she was qualified enough to appoint her to the Federal Appeals Court. Would Bush really have appointed a racist, sexist, biased, partisan, activist harpy (or whatever she’s supposed to be, according to her detractors) to the bench? He should vote for her because she has had more judicial experience prior to her SCOTUS appointment than any other Supreme Court Justice. He should vote for her because she is disciplined and objective. There are many reasons to vote for her, and only one reason to vote against her — and that is to obstruct anything President Obama tries to do at all costs.
3. If you’re trying to “figure out the progressive way of thinking”, here’s a tip. Learn to THINK, instead of mindlessly absorbing all the propaganda the wingnuts are shoving at you. Then once your head is cleared, just go with common sense.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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‘Just give me another 20 minutes; I’ll remember what I was saying…’
August 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pmturdkey bacon,
August 4th, 2009 at 1:05 pmi’ve read freud and know all about projecting. once you understand freud and projecting it’s easy to defeat cancervatives such as yourself.
if turkey wants to prove what a moron he really is, he’ll post again on TP
let’s see if he takes the bait
August 4th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Actually, this is quite common. It wasn’t long ago that all right-wingers completely disavowed any knowledge of the existance of neocons. It wasn’t until the MSM finally started using the term a few years into the Iraq War that most neocon stopped denying that they themselves existed. This particular wingnut obviously didn’t get the memo.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:06 pmIf anything they are idiots.
Well, we agree on something at least…
I hate to interrupt your Alinsky, Mao, Stalin rant… but what does any of this have to do with Sotomayor and whether or not McCain believes that Congress’s role is to accept the President’s judicial appointments?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turdkey Bacon says:
” I use Spanish for all Spanish speakers. Its not a big deal.
I’m part Mexican and if someone calls me Spanish, I’m not insulted.”
aren’t you the clown getting all pissypants over “labels” that’s freaking classic
August 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pmlol, I knew turkey would take the bait
so owned
so easy
what an ignorant little coward
August 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Proud to put ‘down’ votes on everyone of this moronic turkey bacon fools posts.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Is it just me, or does this troll sound eerily familiar?
Like we’ve batted him around many times before, under many different screen names? There’s just something characteristic in his obtuseness…
August 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pmgo figure,
August 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pmturdkey bacon@105 misses the point.
Turkey Bacon says:
Wrong again, moosebreath. People of Spanish descent are referred to as Spanish. Spanish speaking people can be referred to as Hispanic, Latino, Mexican, Spanish, etc. based on their lineage.
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pmTurkey Bacon, I’ve seen Spanish people get insulted when they are called Mexican, I’ve also seen Portuguese people get insulted for being called anything other than Portuguese.
I don’t particularly care for the word Spanish being used in the second way you mentioned, and I am a Black man not a Spaniard.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pmTurkey Bacon says:
I read your playbook progressives.
How come you got to read it and I never got a copy?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pmDid anyone else get a copy of this playbook?
I feel so left out.
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Turkey Bacon says:
Is politician a label? What about hypocrite? It seems like you’re using these (for lack of a better term) ‘labels’ to avoid debate… interesting.
Or do you really have no point of view of your own? That also seems likely.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pmbe nice everyone, or turdkey bacon will be whippin’ out the alinsky again.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pmYes I have seen the playbook, I had to turn it back in to the coach when I was traded to the Democrats.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pmpoor little Fake Bacon
he’s as phony as the processed meat he named himself after
August 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
HOLY SHIT.
To think this senile dolt could have become POTUS still sends a chill up my spine…
Thank you again, all who voted for Obama.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pmsounds like Turkey is “Proud” of his ignorance
August 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey Bacon says:
Nice try, Bacon Grease, but you neglected to include the rest of my sentence that read “based on their lineage.”
Typical White Wing ploy. Pwned!
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pmturkey, you are not an “opponent”
you are not even on the same field
you are barely a spectator in the cheapest seats
we insult you because you deserve it
August 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pmYou know better. The original neocon manifesto, written at the end of the Bush Sr. administration specifically called for the US to use force in order to secure vital resources of third world countries, particularly in the Middle East. Any “democracy” they spread is actually just the setting up of puppet governments controlled by the trans-national corporations. Those are hardly the actions of “do gooders”.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pmTurkey Bacon says:
No, I try to be a safe driver.
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
leemie get this straight,
August 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pmturdkey bacon is having a hizzy fit over labels yet calls people “hypocrites” and “fraud”
BBBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
No, you just tore out the pages.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pmpoor turkey, just keeps getting beaten up
just like high school
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Turkey Bacon says:
“The Nazis used the tactics of today’s progressives.
Smear, attack, and label”.
That is a well-worn talking point.
AND a projection.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Turkey Bacon says:
belaccifer lacca,
Do you dent politicians are hypocrites? Seriously grow up they are all frauds.
I think you use simple terms to dismiss discussion and are not a critical thinker… However, I do like ‘dent’ as a synonym for ‘understand’- you could use it like ‘grok’ esp. for the stubborn or willfully ignorant…
Example:
‘Did you ever get Turkey Bacon to dent what you were talking about?’
‘I tried! I don’t think even JEEBUZ could make a dent there… he’s like a rock!’
Thanks! I like it!
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pmis it just me or is turdkey bacon starting to sound like those seperatist freaks who hate and fear the government, stockpile weapons and then blast up the national holocaust museum with his “all politicians are hypocrites” and “frauds” blather?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pmwow, with #130, turkey has shown that he gets all his “information” from his radio
nothing but discredited, debunked, untrue talking points
poor little guy, always getting beaten up, figuratively and literally
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pmTurkey Bacon says:
What makes you assume that I am not of Mexican or Spanish lineage?
Typical.
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pmTurkey Bacon says
August 4th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
misscoleopteramolly,
The term Spanish can be used 2 ways, one to describe people from Spain or anyone that speaks Spanish. Sotomayor probably has Spaniard blood anyway. I use Spanish for all Spanish speakers. Its not a big deal.
I’m part Mexican and if someone calls me Spanish, I’m not insulted.
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Just because you use the term incorrectly, or because you know other people who use the term incorrectly, doesn’t make it correct.
You seem to think I’m suggesting this misuse of the term is insulting. It isn’t. It just shows your ignorance. Sort of like when conservatives use the term “Democrat Party”. It’s not an insult, it’s just flaunting one’s ignorance.
I have consulted Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and Random House dictionaries, as well as dictionary.com. All sources cite two definitions for the word “Spanish” — it refers to the Spanish language, and it refers to any person, place, thing, culture, tradition, or anything else from SPAIN. It doesn’t refer to someone of any other ethnicity who speaks Spanish.
You might be confusing the term with “Hispanic”, “Latino/Latina”, or “Latin American”.
Of course, if you have some evidence that the term “Spanish” is correct when referring to someone who’s Puerto Rican, by all means — share the dictionary link with us.
I suspect you don’t have one. And the fact that you cling to and defend your ignorance so tenaciously tells me volumes about you.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:23 pmTurdkey Bacon says:
“Their goal is to subvert American sovereignty to foreign institutions.”
you mean like when the 43rd president wanted to sell control of our ports to dubai?
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watchpuppy doesn’t get jon stewart because he isn’t smart enough to know what the jokes are about
he’s stupid enough to think we get our information from the daily show
the daily show just makes fun of the stupidity in the news. of course, you gotta know what’s going on to get the jokes
August 4th, 2009 at 1:23 pmYes, neocons can never understand that you are supposed to be nice to your allies.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:24 pmTurkey Bacon says:
Seriously, is our children learning?
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:25 pmwatching turdkey bacon trying to debate us is like watching a monkey trying to fcuk a football. amusing in a pathetic sorta way.
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hey watchpoop,
August 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pmwanna makeout?
Spencer’s mom says:
Turkey Bacon says:
I don’t even you all as insulting me.
Seriously, is our children learning?
PEACE
I dent it.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pmMost likely McCain doesn’t really oppose her,but as she is a shoe in, he and many republithugs are taking this opportunity to kiss ass to their conservative base, by not voting to confirm. Might not be the best decsion as latinos are the fastest growing voting block in the USA especially in the southwest, Way to whore yourselves out, thugs!
August 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pmsays the moron who’s next presidential candidate will be bible spice.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pmSeriously Turkey Bacon,
I know my last comment was sarcastic, about the playbook. Neoconservative is a word which has meaning and is not an intentional insult.
Conservative values such as sound fiscal policy, preserving the rights of the States and the Jeffersonian principle of peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none virtuous concepts.
While these values are currently not part of the main platform of the Democratic Party, they can still be embraced by those who are Liberal, as these beliefs are not contrary to Liberalism.
Neoconservatives conversely believe in big government, forcing our system upon countries with different governmental systems via force, they also believe in Keynesian economic concepts.
Read about the project for the New American Century. These people are unashamed about being Neoconservative as they hold fast to certain beliefs.
Likewise we need to use the word Neoliberal more frequently to describe those who have veered from traditional liberal values.
You can check out newamericancentury.org
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wow, just wow
it was obvious that turkey is ignorant and frightened, but, with every post, turkey demonstrates that we underestimated the depth of his stupidity and cowardice
wow
August 4th, 2009 at 1:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
maybe we should stop kicking this little troll in the head
it is actually getting stupider with every post
August 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I meant to say that those conservative concepts I mentioned are virtuous and distinctly conservative. However much of the Republican Party has veered off the path of Consrevatism and is most definitely Neoconservative in ideology.
I am not bashing you. I am just telling you like it is. A one party system would be chaos and certainly bring about the demise of this nation, but do we really need Neoconservatism?
What positive function can it ever serve?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:32 pmOur little pet troll sure has lots of energy today.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pmTurkey Bacon says:
It’s “know thine enemy.” If you’re going to quote Sun Tzu, at least get it right.
PEACE
August 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pmwatchdog says
August 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I love how a fake news show comedian is worshiped and moronically held up as truth to the left. It really exposes where they are as an ideological group. I hear Comedy Central is in talks with Barney the Dinosaur about an upcoming variety show.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
“tokin librul” was talking about JOHN STUART MILL, not Jon Stewart. The former is a 19th-century English philosopher and political theorist. The latter is the host of The Daily Show on Comedy Central. You’re going all Emily Litella on us now.
But since you brought up the “fake news show comedian”, I’d put up what he has to say against the right wing bloviators any day.
And the idea of Barney the Dinosaur hosting a variety show on Comedy Central? I probably wouldn’t watch it, but if it floats other people’s boats, fine. The show that used to lead into The Daily Show was about puppets who made crank phone calls. Another show on Comedy Central features a group of cartoon kids who make endless potty jokes. So what? None of this has anything to do with Jon Stewart or The Daily Show.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pmfear creates adrenaline
August 4th, 2009 at 1:35 pm“tokin librul” was talking about JOHN STUART MILL, not Jon Stewart.
Heh. I missed that… thanks, missmolly. That just made my day.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:35 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Do you know the difference between and adjective and a noun?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective
August 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pmTurkey Bacon, they are not tools of Goldman Sachs if they vote for men and women like Cynthia McKinney, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich. Not all Democrats are bad as you are being taught by your Neocon cronies.
The infiltration of elitist bankers has permeated both major political parties. I am not in denial of this. We must fight this evil force from within whatever party we support.
Blindly following a man like George W. Bush is a serious mistake. A mistake that was made by many Republicans. The Republicans had the chance to nominate Ron Paul and they blew it. McCain was a big mistake.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:37 pmWe lack recent examples in our country so, it’s difficult to be sure. But all appearences are that we are witnessing the demise of the GOP as we know it. The radicals may drag it to obscurity or disenfranchised moderates could reclaim it but the GOP of Bible Spice seems to be dying.
The biggest sign is the “self-purification” that’s going on. When a ruling party begins the purges it leads to totalitarianism. When the opposition party does it it leads to splintering and, usually, the demise of the parent party.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pmpete, ignorant little cowards like turkey will cling to the GOP because it represents the big-daddy govt that they look to as their authoritarian ruler
right wingers are scared of freedom and intelligence, hence their attraction to authoritarians like Dick Cheney and George Bush
they want the big daddy govt telling you what chemicals you can ingest, when you can die, and that you have to carry a fetus all the way to birth
right wingers are big govt pansies
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Turkey Bacon,
The likes of Hillary Clinton who agreed with George W. in excess of 90% of all issues does not go unnoticed to the informed. She liked to grandstand as his opponent, I know that she was not sincere to the cause of Liberty.
Nontheless, there are many good people in the House who are Democrats. The Federal Reserve needs to be struck a death blow and we need to return to sound money printed by this nation. We must loosen the grip of private bankers on our money suppy.
How can we do this if we don’t fight together? Neoconservatism will never further this cause. War is essential to the central bankers, because it is National Debt which lines their pockets.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:44 pmThe result would have been identical. mccain and rp as twins.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pmThe GOP is trying to cater to the anti-Obama birther bigots and somehow hold on to the Latina vote while accusing Sotamayor AND Obama of being racist.
This can only make sense to Michael Steele.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pmWell, Turkey is learning something today. He had never even heard of neocons before. Now, he knows that he isn’t one. But, he is still very confused, as he lumps progressives in with neocons, which is very strange.
Let me try to explain. Most of us around here are against global corporatism. Many of us are also protectionist. These ideas are directly opposed to neocon objectives such as using military power to subjugate small nations for the benefit of global corporations, or outsourcing American jobs to countries which use virtual slave labor. The only “globalism” we can be rightly accused of, is a willingness to cooperate with our allies and negotiate with our enemies. It’s called diplomacy.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pmpoor turkey, came here to insult liberals and ended up getting owned by our superior intelligence and much greater understanding of the issues
August 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pmTo think that we can overnight get everyone to vote for new parties like the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party is naive. The problem with the Liberal Party is that most of the candidates are also on the Democratic ticket, so in essence it is not another choice.
I believe that good people within both parties must find some common ground and fight for it. I believe that even the Republican voters are sick of never ending wars and fake wars like the war on terrorism, which is a farce.
Using the word Liberal as a dirty word or smear, is very bad for this nation. The liberal concepts of our founding fathers must be preserved and it is Neoliberalism which must be attacked. Of cousre this is fake liberalism and both parties have bad eggs in their midst.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pmReally mike? You really want to say that the dems have even one member who is as bad as any of the republics? Really?
August 4th, 2009 at 1:56 pmTurkey Bacon,
I did not mean to pick on you. The media is whollly owned by those with a globalist agenda. Getting people to change their party allegiance will be difficult at best. All view the other parties as being on the fringe and incapable of winning, thus facillitating the never ending cycle of bloating central government that is slowly but surely destroying our Liberty.
The propaganda of the mainstream media is difficult to overcome with Internet blogging. It is like trying to compete against Howitzers with pea shooters.
We must each act from within the party we support to promote freedom.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pmIt’s the typical cop-out of those that don’t want to get involved or study. Much easier to just say “they’re all the same!” and absolve yourself of having to make a decision
but if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
August 4th, 2009 at 1:58 pmOh course that is how you see it. The difference between right-wingers and progressive liberals is original sin. You believe that people are born bad. Liberals believe in the essential goodness of man, because we don’t buy into the original sin baloney. Your belief in original sin fills you with self-loathing and a general disdain for other people.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:00 pmFred, blind allegiance to any party will usher in the experiences that Germany, Cuba, Italy and Russia suffered or are still suffering.
If you think the Democratic Party is pristine, you are mistaken.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:00 pmand if you think the Democrats are anywhere near as bad as Republicans, you are living in Rupertville
August 4th, 2009 at 2:07 pmI think it’s fair to say that there are “bad eggs” in the Democratic Caucus. With the recent influx there are sure to be some skeletons unearthed and some will fail their responsibilities. Especially in light of what went on during the last Administration it would be foolish to proceed on any other assumption.
That being said, I’m tired of expecting the worst from our elected officials. We have to remain patient while the new leadership establishes course. Heck! There are still appointments to fill and Bushbots to replace.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:08 pmRanting Tommy,
They are not all the same. Globalists within the Republican Party and Globalists within the Democratic Party are basically the same evil.
But as for those who love liberty and the Constitution within the Democratic Party and Republican Party, they have different virtues and different faults.
I choose to be a Democrat. I choose to work from within the Democratic Party to weed out the bad element.
It is my opinion that there are fewer bad apples in the Democratic party than the Republican Party, hence my choice to be a Democrat.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:10 pmAnd, for the record, I think it’s ridiculous to compare the two parties today. The GOP has been overcome by the desperate and the fanatical. On the other hand the Dems, despite some infighting, are calm and assured. It’s not even apples and oranges any more. It’s apples and orange crates.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:12 pmPete, you’re right we need to weed out the Bushbots. OK gentlemen, it has been nice chatting with you. I have another class to teach, see you all tomorrow.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:12 pmSo, now I’m a communist, facist, etc. just because I can recognize a party that does not have my best interest at heart and I can prove it?
Sounds like you are fond of propaganda to me.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:12 pmAt #136
Someone said:
It’s as John Stuart Mill explained: Not all Conservatives are morons, but just about all morons are Conservatives…
Then watchdog replied:
I love how a fake news show comedian is worshiped and moronically held up as truth to the left. It really exposes where they are as an ideological group. I hear Comedy Central is in talks with Barney the Dinosaur about an upcoming variety show.
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Watchdog, you need to look up the difference between John Stuart Mill, the philosopher and political theorist, and Jon Stewart, of Comedy Central. The fact that you did not bother to read through the name to see the ‘Mill’, just stopped on ‘Stuart’ (which isn’t even how Jon Stewart spells it), shows the inner workings of your brain well enough to make unnecessary any further comment.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pmAnd I will go further. It has always been that way. Right back to hoover, raygun, nixon, etc.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pmCorruption does cross party lines.
Our current campaign and lobbying system lends itself to king making and corporate manipulation across the board.
The c-street bunch is another breed, corrupted by narcissistic delusions and religious elitism.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pmYep, and who unleased the lobby sytem that exists today. Raygun
August 4th, 2009 at 2:26 pmI’m almost starting to feel sorry for McIIIrd. It’s obvious the loss of 08 has deeply scarred him. His mental faculties appear to be diminshed.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pmNot that he could remember much about what he had previously said in the primaries and regular election.
Sad.
Right, Fred.
Part of the “trickle down” theory.
Crumbs for the poor.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pmFred,
Hoover was a little before my time so I’ll accept him as an awful excuse for a President. But…
There was a change from the moment Raygun embraced the “Moral Majority”. One can argue about the proportion before that event but the ratio of nuts has increased to the point where GOP “conservatism” is practically a mental disorder. The thing to remember is that many of those courted by the Rayguns and Fallwells and Robertsons had been apolitical before then. They were a largely untapped voting block.
When those hypothetical future historians are writing about this time, it’s possible that the blending of religion and politics by the GOP will be seen as one of the greatest blows to advancement of humanity since the Dark Ages.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:35 pm190. RUC says, “I’m almost starting to feel sorry for McIIIrd. It’s obvious the loss of 08 has deeply scarred him.”
As an alternate explanation, in 2004, McCain was torpedoed by the neocon tactics. In 2008, he sold out his soul to the same people who torpedoed him in 2004 – loosing any dignity he may have had left.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pmI think I’ll go with your assessment, MapleStreet.
Ol’ Flippy kissed the fringes ass and was given the dubious reward of a doomed nomination and then they saddled him with the worst VP candidate ever. He was broken long before the votes made it official.
The John McCain of 2000 might have made a decent President and turned the GOP back from the abyss. But I have to think that he would have succumbed to the same fringe that Chimpy thought were his “best pals”. His performance as the candidate sure wasn’t confidence inspiring.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:21 pmOne nice thing about taking a break from a thread is that when you come back you get a chance to be the 10th down vote for posters like ‘fried turkey’.
I was the 10th down vote on TEN of his posts…
…I better check my Horoscope.
August 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pmAfter the presidential campaign, Palin, and calling off the debate, et al. Do you really respect anything this old senile pos says? Someone tell him that the judge has the votes without his vote. McSame is irrelevant.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm“In 2008, McCain Said That Judicial Appointments Are The ‘President’s Call’”
Yeah, but that was way back when the president was Republican and Caucasian.
Rules are different now, see?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:07 amWhat he meant to say is, it is the president’s choice IF the president it white and republican.
August 5th, 2009 at 10:56 am