Freshman Democratic lawmaker ‘physically assaulted at a local event’ by activists.
Freshman Democratic lawmaker ‘physically assaulted at a local event’ by activists.
As lobbyist-run groups encourage conservative activists to “rattle” members of Congress at local town hall events, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), the president of the freshman Democratic class has revealed that “at least one freshman Democrat” has already been “physically assaulted at a local event.” Connolly warned that conservative groups had taken things to a “dangerous level“:
“When you look at the fervor of some of these people who are all being whipped up by the right-wing talking heads on Fox, to me, you’re crossing a line,’ Connolly said. ‘They’re inciting people to riot with just total distortions of facts. They think we’re going to euthanize Grandma and the government is going to take over.”
Recent events have given congressman good reason to be “fearful for their safety.” Last week, a protester hung an effigy of freshman Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) outside his district office, and after a June 22 town hall meeting was disrupted by an “unruly mob” of tea party activists, Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) had to be escorted to his car by police. ThinkProgress contacted Connolly’s office regarding the identity of the congressman who was physically assaulted, but we have not yet received a response.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm***
trollese:
“liberals did it first!”
translation:
“the only way we can win is with violence.”
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pmViolence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm-Isaac Asimov-
This may sound ugly but there is one bright spot to focus on when we hear about these ambush tactics used by the right wing-nuts.
By time we vote again in the 2010 midterms and 2012 general election, many of these cousin-marrying, ignorant bastards will have croaked. They tend to be southern, old, and fat…I hope Limpball is one of them, along with Beck, and Billo, and Newt, and Cheney and…
August 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pmIt’s only a matter of time before something really tragic goes down.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pmWait. Arent many of these 17k lobbyists lawyers? And they are helping to incite violence against the very officials other lobbyists lobby?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pmTime for me to start renting out my snake pit…
August 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pmSnowy reception
August 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pmAlien commander speaks
Robots go to war
It’s one thing to spread lies as talking points and slogans when your main objective is to discredit the opposition simply because they’re the opposition.
But the sad thing is that many of these “rattlers” truly believe that granny’s going to get euthanized by the government if any meaningful health care reform gets passed.
And the talking heads who have given these marching orders to the gullible, obedient masses will claim no responsibility at all — that they have the right to express their “opinions”, even though they are clearly meant to misinform and inflame to suit a political agenda.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pmIf you recall the utter madness that seethed through the crowd at McCain’s concession speech, then you’ll realize that these people are determined to undermine any leader except one they choose (and foist upon everyone else).
If there’s a revolution, it will not be started by progressives, it will be started by one or more of these ‘wingnut’, ‘teabagger’, ultra-right-wing, lunatics.
And unfortunately, given the state of the media in this country, the revolution will be televised.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pmIf the GOP can convince their followers to “tea bag” protest tax increases for Hannity and Limbaugh–they can surely push them to acts of violence against those who would try to help the tea-baggers get affordable health insurance.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pmThat’s why they’re called Rethuglicans. W’s tax cuts were pushed through using the reconciliation process – time to start using the tactics they use when in power.
Marginalize them, then vote ‘em out of office. By the time the South realizes that the Rethuglicans have become the Dixiecrat party, we’ll have healthcare reform, immigration reform and will have started to do something about our “addiction to oil,” as W put it.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pmI’m surprised there’s not more violence considering all the “Hate” from the whinny, intimidating, cowardly wingnuts. Time to post a policeman at all Democratic Town Halls.
The jihad extremist Teabaggers need to be punished for their crimes.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pmI told you yesterday.
Time to start arresting them.
Send these idiots straight to jail when they get out of line.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pm***
ralph,
and they know it too.
see beck’s pre-excuse excuse.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThese townhall meetings should be treated just like legislative functions, and staked out by FBI agents. Conspiracy to interfere with a governmental function is a felony, and should be treated as such. If Fox is inciting these folks, they should be charged, fined, and perhaps even their broadcast license revoked.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThe Republicanz must stop terrorising the town hall meetings, and the airwaves. If you don’t stop terrorism, whatever its form, it escalates until people get hurt.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:47 pmAn assault should result in an arrest. Reps needing police escort should result in a change in ‘townhall’ structure, i.e. only those that live in the district allowed.
The fanatics are getting riled up over misinformation and plain ol’ ignorance. They’re scared of irrational, imaginary scenerios that would never transpire. Is there a TV show about gov’t run health care that I don’t know about?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:47 pmralph the wonder llama says:
It’s only a matter of time before something really tragic goes down.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
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What, like a white supremacist gunning down a museum security guard?
Tragic things have been going down, and the astroturfers are doing nothing to stop the monster they’ve created. They’re actively inciting people to violence.
And the worst part is that when a Member of Congress is assassinated, the teabag media is going to blame Obama for it. Mark my words.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pmOff Topic [but kinda related]
Huh. Attack us and we wont insure you, not that we ever were, anyway, but were gonna incite the base, half of which get medicare and social security and who dont have private policies, imagine that, and get them to attack you by filling the telephone trees, internet and town halls with ludicrous conspiratorial claims. I wonder how many of these self-hating activists have relatives that are getting medicare and social security.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pmFair point, toasterhead. I should have specified that it’s only a matter of time before something really tragic goes down at one of these town halls.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:51 pmNow we know why Glen Beck is asking his followers not to attack after he told them to go on the attack. Many of the wackos will do as Fox News Anchors told them to do and many people will get hurt. I hope the Justice Department get’s involved and charges Fox News for insighting riots and crimes. Many of the accused should even sue Fox News for putting the idea in their heads.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:52 pmViolence is what conservatives are all about, hatred, bigotry, greed, stupidity and more Violence…
…it will only get worse, these people are everything that civilized people reject.
They lost, they’re mad, and they’re stupid, a dangerous combination.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:53 pmSeriously, it’s time for a police presence at these townhall meetings. Congressmen must take this threat seriously because these people are deranged. Investigate the architects of these protests and send them a warning – if anyone else is assaulted then they will be charged with the crime.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:53 pm***
judge them by their words:
“At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?
At some point soon, it will happen. It’ll be over an innocuous issue. But the rage is building. It’s not a partisan issue. […] Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation.”
– erik erikson, redstate
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pmjoe cantwell says:
Joe, take a look at these crowds. It is calculated that they’ve been directed to violence and mob mentality because it’s clear that anything that involved thought would be lost on them.
Each entrance to these events must have a metal detector. Add a computer and scan the IDs of each and every person who enters. Set up cameras aimed at the attendees. Record everything. That will keep most of these idiots outside of events.
I’m all for free speech and demanding accountability from our representatives, but there is no reason to subject our elected leaders or those who choose to listen to an environment that might be, literally, dangerous.
PEACE
August 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI knew it was only a matter of time. Things will only get worse unless law enforcement steps up. Obviously, Rush and the talking heads at Fox will not urge these thugs to tone it down.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI think it’s worse than these “pundits” lying and inciting hatred to advance a political agenda. They do it for far baser reasons that that, I fear — to make money and increase their own prestige (such as it is).
I have to say that I watch the Fox newsclips and others with jaw-dropping astonishment. I find it hard to believe that people could rise to such heights in any organization who are apparently incapable of real analysis of the events they’re discussing. OR that people would be taken as credible news sources who are so obviously indulging in emotional manipulation, hyperbole and just plain babbling.
The only reason I can think of that their network honchos would air such empty “analysis” is that it makes them money and that making money is more important to them than the progress of this country and the well-being of their fellow human beings.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pmPhysically assaulting a congressman at a town hall meeting?
It’s time to send the ditto-heads to rehab.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pmIm thinking that defeaters [self defeat] is good code for these folks who are willing to become public nutballs to kill programs that support them.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pmDr. Hussein Matt says:
Where is Turkey Trajjie to defend her fellow terrorists?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
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he’s busy trying to come
up with a new handle.
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August 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pmRobert Freeman’s prescient article last March (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/15) foretold this.
“…So what is the right wing response?
They have adopted the strategy and tactics of the failed right wing plotters in Weimar Germany. First, stoke the resentment of the population about the increasingly dire state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions were created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretend to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.
Second, prevent the new government from succeeding in any meaningful endeavor. The Republicans have set all their efforts to doing everything they can to make sure the Obama administration fails. Rush Limbaugh’s infamous, ‘I hope he fails’ pronouncement is only the beginning of the fomenting of hatred from the right. As Limbaugh said, ‘Let’s be honest. Every Republican in America is hoping for Obama’s failure.’…”
August 5th, 2009 at 2:56 pmThere are just too many crazy people in the US with guns.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pmIt’s time to make an example out of some of these loons by locking them up. This has gone too far.
hate to make a nazi analogy here, but it’s fitting. These are the same tactics used by the nazi’s in their ascent to power.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pmhormiga brava chavez says:
There are just too many crazy people in the US with guns.
It’s time to make an example out of some of these loons by locking them up. This has gone too far.
August 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
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What would that accomplish, other than feed into the “Obama’s coming to take your guns away” hysteria?
August 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pmNo way these crowds are going to calm down and de-escalate the rhetoric or violence. Hate has been encouraged, the sources of all that is wrong in the lives of these losers have been targeted, and now we have mob mentality at every event.
Once unleashed, that fart just won’t go back in the assh0le.
PEACE
August 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pmThere are also RICO and conspiracy to incite laws on the books.
Mr. Holder?
August 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pmPerhaps it’s time to control the @ssholes? Free speech only goes so far…
August 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pmJoe Cantwell says
he’s busy trying to come
up with a new handle.
Heh.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pmWe knew this would happen.
We knew it would be the tea-birthers, too.
Rabid Righties want fear & suspicion, their favorite tools, to keep Progressives away from political town hall meetings.
We are seeing corporate coercion come to our small town halls.
No, they’re not wearing brown shirts, but they remind me of the Iranians, resistant to change, beating on their neighbors & fellow countrymen after June’s Presidential election.
Once they have a taste of blood, they’ll become a school of sharks, looking for more blood.
Will law enforcement take a stand? Don’t count on it.
Will elected officials have the backbone to stand up to the angry mobs? We’ll see.
What we cannot become is THEM. That’s what they’re hoping for.
‘It Can’t Happen Here’ / Frank Zappa – 1966
August 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pmSue!
August 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pmpastcaring @36
Yes, they are.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pmAnd KKKarl’s playbook, as well.
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doc,
you may be onto something.
the splc de-funded the klan,
the dnc can fight back the same way.
**
bravo.
:)
August 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThis has long turned away from a democracy to now what seems to be the beginnings of a civil war, truly said that grown adults are acting worse than a five-year-old not getting his candy bar.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThis says to me that it’s only a matter of time before some nutbag tries to assassinate Obama. Check out this link I found at HP which is under “comedy” on You Tube…but it’s not funny to me….extremely frightening, I might say!
tp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/04/whos-crazier-orly-taitz-o_n_251270.htmlht
August 5th, 2009 at 3:06 pmIt may be time to demand that attendees at these town hall meetings show proof of residency and to keep outside agitators from getting in. The representatives are not getting an opportunity to talk with their constituents, which of course is what the agitators are trying to accomplish.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pmIt also might help to respond with dripping derision when you hear these birfing baggers spew their insane theories…sadly, I work with some of them…they tend to be the dumbest employees we have…public humiliation for shameless acts of stupidity needs to make a comeback in America…
:(
August 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pmRemember Knoxville…
David Adkisson went into a unitarian church to specifically kill liberals.
He read books by Hannity and others.
He left a manifesto in his truck where he directed others to “kill liberals”. Those were his exact words.
He couldn’t kill Obama and other leaders, so he went for whoever was the closest.
These people are dangerous.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIt’s town hall terrorism, right down to the edicts coming from above.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pmAs true today as it was 230 years ago: mob rule and factions are a genuine threat to democracy.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pmglogrrl says:
This says to me that it’s only a matter of time before some nutbag tries to assassinate Obama. Check out this link I found at HP which is under “comedy” on You Tube…but it’s not funny to me….extremely frightening, I might say!
August 5th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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Is that the author who appeared on The Daily Show the other day talking about how the Secret Service has been reducing metal detector use due to budget cuts? Cause that, too, was pretty damn frightening.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:12 pmhormiga brava chavez says:
There are just too many crazy people in the US with guns.
Yes, my friend, there is.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:13 pmI knew this was going to happen. This will backfire on the Republicans. they have foisted this kind od behavior, now it will bite them on the ass. The more violent this becomes, the more people will be repulsed. You reap what you sow.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pmIt was only a matter of time, and frankly it’s only a matter of time before a Congressman gets shot at.
And of course, those that incited all this violence in the first place will come out and say that they never condoned such actions.
When are we going to start holding those who incite violence responsible for their actions?
I’m not suggesting taking away freedom of speech. My god, that would be terrible. It would be the day I left this country forever. But everyone needs to understand that with freedom comes responsibility. Maybe one should not be prosecuted for their words, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be held responsible for them.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pmsmidget says:
I’m not suggesting taking away freedom of speech. My god, that would be terrible. It would be the day I left this country forever.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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Parroted, lobbyist-written talking points are not free speech. In fact, they’re quite the opposite.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:19 pmIt’s very sad. Moderate Republicans, those who are left anyway, who were of the Dwight Eisenhower kind of mold, must be beside themselves (and whatever you thought of Ike he sounds like an infinitely fair-minded genius compared to the leadership of the GOP today). Even Powell, who shed so much credibility by making Bush’s bogus case for Iraq, is considered just too “moderate” these days, which apparently means “not willing to go along with the violent conspiratorial crazies who have taken over conservatism.”
Violence betrays a lack of creativity – when you can’t make something (of your own), destroy something (someone else made). The current GOP can’t come up with any original ideas, so the game plans is obvious. Claim credit for other people’s idea while attacking those ideas (cough, stimulus) and then make sure any new opposition ideas can’t get a fair hearing.
This is not just the GOPs fault, I fear. It’s just the result of a political system in which polarization is fueled by competitive one-upmanship. One side engages in soundbyte politics, and the other side sees it works and follows suit. One side engages in hyperbole, and the other side needs to “win” so they try it too. And so it escalates until each side believes they are the sole possessor of some form of righteousness, looks at the other side, and thanks whatever they believe in they are “not like them.” The game continues, polarization increases, and the wingnuts on both sides openly embrace a visceral hatred. It was only a matter of time before this open hatred started moving into the mainstream of one of the parties.
Isn’t this why people were drawn to Obama? Because they wanted to reverse this trend and saw him as representing such change? Caving in to this kind of violence isn’t an option, but becoming more divided and divisive isn’t the solution either. It is times like these when true creativity is really needed. One example is to take the craziness seriously to expose it for what it is, like the people passing a House resolution which stated Obama was born in Hawaii (no one voted against) or the recent amendment proposed by a Democrat to end Medicare to see if Republicans had the courage of their rhetoric.
Other ideas? Creative solutions?
What if the people being shouted down walked over to the ugliest, loudest SOB in the crowd and gave him a big hug? Can you imagine? Oh now you are shouting again? Hug. And you? Hug.
Of course, there are alternatives to hugs for those with personal space issues, but doesn’t hate seem its ugliest when contrasted with love? And doesn’t our social justice playbook, a la folks like Dr King, have love as a central theme?
Other ideas?
August 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pmIf this keeps escalating there will be National Guard and/or SWAT teams at these Town Hall meetings..and they won’t be arresting the Senators or the Congressional speakers…maybe the righties forgot that President Bush signed an Executive order allowing the President to by-pass Congress and declare Martial Law…like it or not, President Obama is POTUS…(Democrats have won the last two elections) the National Guard, FEMA, Police Departments..even the Military will follow their Commander in Chief’s orders…he has been sworn in and taken the oath of office, (by Chief Justice Roberts!) as President and Commander in Chief….sane American folks (both parties) far out number these right-wing crazies…
August 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pmtinythinker, your moniker doesn’t do you justice. You think like MLK and Ghandi.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:25 pmArrest
Charge
Try
Convict
Imprison
Repeat
Those who lose at the ballot are moved to remedy by the bullet.
Sadly, it is only a matter of time, and they will feel justified in their actions. The order of law will need to prevail, or only those who disregard the law will.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:25 pmchiroptera toasterhead says:
Parroted, lobbyist-written talking points are not free speech. In fact, they’re quite the opposite.
You are correct, which is why I feel they should be held responsible for it, and also why I made sure to mention that I am obviously not in favor of denying free speech, but am very much in favor of calling a spade a spade, and this is, in my opinion, inciting violence. I just want to know when we are going to start taking people to task for it.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pmThe morons at these town hall meetings are all the proof we need that the republic party of today is a terrorist group. The End.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pmthink you need a real visual and my Idea is that you start a death clock I’ve heard the figure of 1 person every 30 minutes dies from lack of health insurance or denial thereof. You start the countdown from when congress leaves for vacation. Display this on a common board with white numbers painted on black squares and you make a ceremony of updating the number add anctedotal facts and faces, namesw, and stories. mention it in every opportunity! get other causes, personalities, websites to talk about it and maybe display it at events they participate in. you could get supporters to take their copy of the board to townhalls and other event that are politically connected.
The whole idea is to make this as simple and cheaply replicable so everyone can get involved. If this went viral and started showing up everywhere I think it would capture the attention of the nation. Rember the clinton deficit clock and what great commercials that made when people tried to drag their feet on his budget strategy. Backdropped with real faces and death announcements this could turn into the best tool there is for focusing the national attention a single payer system. You could even get people to do streetcorner demostrations with them. I think this is just what we need to combat the tsunami of right wing propaganda thats headed our way. If they came up with this Idea they wouldn’t hesitate to use it. We’ll thats my 2cents thanks for reading this and all your great efforts
Scott W. Meer
August 5th, 2009 at 3:27 pmThere is one essential “solution” to this and there are no shortcuts for it. If a local Democrat holds a “town hall” event, supporters of democracy must show up in equal or larger numbers to thwart those who want to shut the event down without discussion. We can talk and speculate until our democracy literally becomes a thing of the past, but that fact will never change. There are many other tactics that may enhance the containment of these fascist tactics being condoned by the corporations and the media, but there is no substitute for showing up.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:31 pmJesus H. Christ. Murder by talking points. Talking heads exhorting violence.
This is like a arsonist dousing a house with gasoline, standing back and waiting for the inevitable spark – and then claiming he had nothing at all to do with the house burning to the ground.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:34 pmOoops. Damned typos – that would be “an arsonist”…
August 5th, 2009 at 3:34 pmI know showing up helps, but in my district I’m represented by right wing republican tools. Even in so-called progressive california.
Aside from that, these protesters who physically “touch” someone need to be arrested for assault.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pmFolks its not just Faux News, it is the Republican (mis)Leadership and health care industry front groups sending these people, feeding them bald-faced lies and inciting these mentally deficient nutjobs to this kind of behavior.
It is way past time to take the lobbying money out of Washington and to hold these industries and the crooks behind this accountable.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:37 pmI was a Republican growing up. I’m still moderate to centrist on some issues. However, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER REPUBLICAN AS LONG AS I LIVE. These tactics are subhuman. Republicans are taking this and the racism towards Obama to a whole new level. These people WANT revolution, including some of the hate-pundits like Glenn Beck, whose stupidity is literally dangerous. They are hoping to incite riots and physical violence. There is no other reason to tell elderly people that the government will euthanize them except to cause a violent reaction.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pmOT – The shooter of the women at the health club yesterday wrote that his church pastor told him he could commit mass murder and still go to heaven. Sounds like Senator Ensigns kind of cult member.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pmI live in the gun show capital of the world.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThese people have been sitting on their hate, like a bad case of gas, since last November.
All it took was a well-funded poke from the healthcare lobby and some birther madness to mobilize their “outrage”.
This don’t really come as a big surprise at all>. as we knew the wacko`s couldn’t contain them self. I mean with there ruff chicken crap hero`s that hide and coward behind there radio mic`s and tv mic`s
August 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pmWhy don’t you just report them all to flag@whitehouse.gov?
August 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pmThere is a difference between voicing your opinion at a town hall meeting in a civil, mutually respectful manner and disrupting a discussion to scream, rant, and rave with no interest in hearing a meaningful response.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThe majority of those in attendance at these local civic events came to listen and ask questions, and the rude, juvenile conduct of the interlopers (many of whom were bussed in from out of the area by insurance industry lobbyists) is only serving to convince most Americans that the GOP is only interested in sabotaging the reform process.
tinythinker says:
What if the people being shouted down walked over to the ugliest, loudest SOB in the crowd and gave him a big hug? Can you imagine? Oh now you are shouting again? Hug. And you? Hug.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
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I love this idea. It’s just crazy enough to work.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pmAfter the 2000 election debacle, I put up a sign in my yard that demonstrated my displeasure at the whole stinking event that installed an incompetent president and his criminal gang.
I had three windows shot out by some republican toting a .22 rifle. At first, I thought it was just kids being stupid, but when I saw the plywood sign had been used for target practice with the same rifle, I knew what had happened and what might happen given the right kind of circumstances.
I can see something like this happening on a larger scale if there is not something done about the corporate masters who manipulate the ignorant; inciting agents provocateurs and having them interfere with elected officials.
It only takes one spark to ignite a powder magazine.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pmTraitors, terrorists, republicans.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pmI can’t wait for a freeper to try sh*t with Heath Shuler. Not only will that congressman beat the tar out of anyone who tries to assault him but he’ll get re-elected with an increase in votes for it.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pmWhy would anyone be interested in flag@whitehouse.gov?
August 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pmAttention Elected Reps: Under no circumstances permit yourself to be knocked to the ground. I fear these mobs will close in and finish you off.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:05 pm#28, Spencer’s Mom wrote:
…Each entrance to these events must have a metal detector. Add a computer and scan the IDs of each and every person who enters. Set up cameras aimed at the attendees. Record everything. That will keep most of these idiots outside of events….
I agree. Let’s go a bit further and only allow those who are represented by the Representative into the town hall meeting. There is absolutely no need for someone from another Congressional Representative’s district to attend this Congressional Representative’s district.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pmWow, 82 posts and nary a conservative interruption.
Is it nap time?
August 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pmUh – sorry guys – but this never happened – Rep. Connolly confirms.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWe have laws in this country that cover incitement to violence. To incite violence through words, actions, rhetoric, is to break the law. Those that are using their words to whip up the people into a frenzy know full well that the next step past words is to action. Violent action.
“If we can’t win at the ballot box, then we should turn to the bullet box…”
“They want to kill your grandma…”
“He pals around with terrorists…”
“He’s not an American, its unconstitutional for him to be President…”
We’ve all heard these and more. Someone is going to get killed, and the Congress men and women touting this touting this rhetoric, the talking heads on TV and radio, will all wash their hands of it all claiming they never advocated violence. Yet in truth they have not only advocated violence but have actively encouraged it.
This needs to be stopped. It is not about free speech, because with free speech comes responsibility. Free speech does not allow for liable or perjury or yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. Free speech ends with the potential for serious bodily injury or death of other can/will occur because of one’s words.
This has gotten well past the criminal stage and needs to end now.
We have elected our representatives, senators, and POTUS. If we don’t like what they are doing, we can change that by using our vote in the next election. If your guy didn’t win this time around, too bad, so sad, get over it. There will be another election, and another and another. We don’t always get the person we want. That is life.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:20 pmOff topic…
CREATE YOUR OWN KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HERE:
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/
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August 5th, 2009 at 4:22 pmIf you go to one of these events, bring cameras, bring videocams, and take lots of videos and photos. Make sure to wear an Obama shirt too, just so everyone knows you’re not media but a concerned citizen noting the disruptions.
Hold these people accountable for their actions.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pmThere should be people filming these nut case`s from the time they get out of there cars Zoom in on license plates. let them know you are documenting things and want there names and like to know who there congress persons are.
fine out what bus company they use and call the state DOT and give them a complaint about bus`s being a hazard.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pmI’ve been saying since the last election cycle that someone is going to get seriously hurt or killed, all because of the lying and lunacy of conservative talking heads and their elected officials. I am not a constitutional scholar but I’m pretty sure that lying isn’t protected by the first amendment.
August 5th, 2009 at 4:49 pmPilotshark, come to think of it….a bus full of neocons would be a bio-hazard. I think the buses should be sporting hazardous chemical stickers on them! LOL
August 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pmthey’re spreading terror by spreading lies (they’ll kill your grandma)
organinzing groups to go to meetings and disrupt them
They continue to proclaim that Obama is ineligible to be President.
They appeal to the lower elements of society who feel marginalized.
Timothy McVeigh was a loyal American.
In another thread, Marie reports that the shooter at the health club had a long history of wingnut-style hysteria.
When does this become incitement and how can they wash their hands of the blood when one of them blows away a town meeting ?
August 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pmSo you guys think that there is a conspiracy that is so well organized, it can show up at EVERY town hall meeting, demonstrate in front of Politicians offices, and put together tens of thousands of people for TEA parties….and PAY all of these people. People are frustrated on both sides of the political spectrum with this administration, the last administration, and the government in general for overstepping its bounds (Bush included), Wasting money (War, TARP, Stimulus Bill, Healthcare), and CONTINUING cronyism (Bush included). Obama was supposed to be the one to lead us with a transparency never before seen, by reaching out and uniting people, and bringing hope and change. There are plenty of people Left, Right, and Middle at these gatherings that are not paid or organized, but pissed off with an out of control government that is not and has not listened to the people in many, many years.
There are a number of comments about arresting people at these meetings. That sounds awfully authoritarian and fascist to me.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pmSince tinythinker proposed we throw out some ideas, I will contribute something from the world of tactics.
Since we know the tactics of the tea baggers, we can use it against them. We know they are going to show up at a town hall meeting hosted by a Democratic representative so we host “special” town hall meetings.
These special meetings allow everyone in, but they do not let everyone out. Once in the door, everyone is required to show identification. People without identification or those from districts other than the congressman’s are placed in custody, quietly, one at a time.
You will need several dozen prison busses, and lots of handcuffs. Those placed in custody will be interrogated to find out if they had a legitimate reason to come to a town hall meeting that is not for them. If they do not have a legitimate reason, charge them with a felony, and give them the maximum sentence.
You could even have other filters, such as if someone presents a legitimate identification, they then have to go to the next room, where they have to go through one door if they think Obama was born in the united states, and another door if they think he was not. Of course, you detain all of the birthers, and treat them as if they were there to commit a felony.
Each of the detainees should be held without charge in a makeshift tent prison camp with a big sign in front that reads, “FEMA”. The best part of it would be that you would only have to do it once.
/snark
August 5th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
These special meetings allow everyone in, but they do not let everyone out. Once in the door, everyone is required to show identification. People without identification or those from districts other than the congressman’s are placed in custody, quietly, one at a time.
You will need several dozen prison busses, and lots of handcuffs. Those placed in custody will be interrogated to find out if they had a legitimate reason to come to a town hall meeting that is not for them. If they do not have a legitimate reason, charge them with a felony, and give them the maximum sentence.
You could even have other filters, such as if someone presents a legitimate identification, they then have to go to the next room, where they have to go through one door if they think Obama was born in the united states, and another door if they think he was not. Of course, you detain all of the birthers, and treat them as if they were there to commit a felony
Sounds like a holocaust?
August 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pmThis is precisely how the pre-WWII German Fascists operated. Everything action the Repug party, as it stands today, has taken has a mirror image in the Fascist playbook. Guess KKKarl Rove internalized the manual, and under the PNAC/Bush criminal regime they were executing it before Obama turned up and interrupted their plans. They were so close to closing the deal with the devil, although the millions of dead or displaced Iraqis will attest to them actually finalizing the deal, that they and their outraged patron and master will do anything to conceal their true motives. On the whole, the American people are no longer as gullible and quickly taken in by the lies of the devil-worshiping neocons, and we might yet prevail and obtain a single payer health maintenance system we so desperately need. So we can expect opposition to sane civilized behavior from these crazy failure-loving clowns.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm***
so frances is now flag?
?
August 5th, 2009 at 5:50 pm.
What I saw at the local G(no)P meeting…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFuhTa0Z_Mg
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August 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm***
#96,
and flag becomes earl turner…
:|
August 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pmHow long until one of these nutcases being egged on by Republican media and political operatives kills someone? The Right is becoming unhinged and it’s only a matter of time until they become even more violent than they have been recently.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:58 pmPeople who do not have a legitimate reason for being at the meeting should not be allowed in. These meetings are being laid on to serve the community, and people that do not belong their are trespassing. Simple. Remember what these criminals did in halting the vote counting in Florida in 2000. It worked once for them, perhaps they think that they can get away with their thuggery once again.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pmThis country was not created by the wisdom or effort of the government. It was created by people who wanted to be left alone to be themselves, worship as they chose and to advance themselves as far as they could without the “help” of the government. The Federal Government has a place in our lives, as do the President, the Congress and the Supreme Court. Neither the Federal Government nor any of its parts has any business deciding for anyone what doctors to see nor counseling elderly people on suicide nor controlling health care to the degree that the new health care “reform” will do.
“Change” is not always better. Adolf Hitler was a “Change” for the German people. Change can be bad, this health care “reform” is bad.
To all of you who think that the anger expressed toward our Congress members is false or just a bunch of people doing what “talking heads” tell them to do. You are wrong. The anger is real and extremely few people do what “talking heads” tell them to do, well, maybe not so few.
As a conservative, no, we have not been napping. It is just fairly obvious that posting here is mostly a waste of time and effort. Few of you, supporters of Obama, debate issues, you mostly name call and attack people, including me, but you do not debate or discuss the policies of the President or any other issues with which you disagree. Nor do you debate or discuss the issues with whoever disagrees with you.
Say what you want. I may or may not be back to read it.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pmTomLei will be back alright, with yet another new name.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pmKayInMaine
Pilotshark, come to think of it….a bus full of neocons would be a bio-hazard. I think the buses should be sporting hazardous chemical stickers on them! LOL
I think you are absolute right, have to have a Haz Mat team ready at all times.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm***
tomlei,
pssst, there’s fluoride in your water.
more here.
good luck.
:)
August 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pmFlag@whitehouse.gov quoted everything in my post, except the /snark tag just to try to make out a progressive idea to be associated with fascism.
God the wingnuts are desperate. It is so fun watching their party disintegrate. I wonder if it will lead to war.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm***
levi,
flag is now tomlei.
:)
August 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pmPLEASE!! – sue these anti-American, screeching, disrupting-the-peace, ignorant, Repub sheep. Thewy don’t even know what they are doing– they follow Repub pundits & Fox to attack anything, anywhere that they are told/paid to do. Sue them or arrest them. Toss them in jail– they are “disrupting the peace” 100 times more than Gates ever did. Where are the police, the handcuffs, the arrests? Oh, wait– these are WHITE people. These white jerks are racists. Racists, hateful, & violent. Let’s never forget this when they take their dishonest, hate-filled, racist talking points into account. They are frightrening, violent, gun-toting losers.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI love seeing so many of you riled up and excited! What power we have! Very cool! The Constitution in action! Maybe some of you would like to read that document when you get a chance. It’s amazing how quick some of you are to take freedom of speech away from people just because they don’t share the same beliefs as you. What happened to all of you who, like me, were yelling at Bush for attempting to take away our rights and privacy in the name of security after September 11. It’s all the same…new issue….new president…SAME GAME PLAN!!
This will do no good, but I would like to make a useless attempt to enlighten you on a few facts. 1) We are not all Republicans!! I dislike Republican politicians as much as I dislike Democrats. I was and still am a very vocal critic of George W. Bush!! 2) I was at the event in St. Louis with McCaskill’s representatives last week. While people were very vocal, there was much respect and civility. There were only a very few people who were yelling over those they opposed. I can’t control those people anymore than you can control the idiots on your side. Most of all, there was NO VIOLENCE or even any threats of violence. 3) These meetings are for EVERYONE and EVERYONE has a right to voice their opinions. That’s how it works. Otherwise, you are just mindless sheep who allow the government to rule your life with no input. 4) NOBODY is paying me (or dare I say, anyone else) to show up at these events. I am an independent, free-thinking individual. I belong to no political groups or organizations. I have gone to events because I have a particular opinion I wish to represent and feel very passionately that I am correct. My anger and distrust for the government has been growing for a long time, well before I heard the name Barack Obama. We have been heading in the wrong direction for quite a while, but now things are accelerating at a much faster pace. 5) I am non-violent and do not even own any guns. AMAZING!!!! Lastly 6) I do believe we should have a plan (at the state level) for taking care of our fellow citizens who are not insured or are between jobs. However, this is NOT the right plan!!!! Read it for yourself.
So there!! I didn’t even have to resort to name-calling to make my point. How adult of me.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:17 pmTom lei:
Nor do you debate or discuss the issues with whoever disagrees with you.
Say what you want. I may or may not be back to read it.
Don’t bother. Your self-righteous whining won’t go too far around here. To bad you weren’t around a few years back to read the wingnuts who threatened prison camps and executions for Americans who disagreed with chimpy.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:24 pm@power to the people
This is not an issue of freedom of speech, this is an issue of incitement to violence. Speak your peace man, for heaven’s sake. Be clear and concise and exorcise that right to the fullest. No one wants to take that away. No one.
However speaking to hatred, speaking to create fear, to deliberately with malice and forethought to push others towards violent acts is criminal. It is called incitement to violence. It is illegal to yell “fire” in a crowded theater when there is no fire. We all know why, because someone is bound to be seriously injured or killed.
These people are yelling fire and there is no fire. These people are pushing others into a fearful frenzy of craziness. Someone is going to get seriously hurt or killed.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:35 pmsomething tragic did happen to America on Nov 4 2008 … you were seduced by an american idol which was nothing more than a teleprompter reading pretty face. remember its our country, not dems not repub or libertarians but ours. get a copy of the constitution and compare it to what zerobamao is doing to us. you libs have stuck your stick in the peoples cage one too many times and you are now seeing the frustration of the citizens. we are not paid web bots or bussed in by mega corps we are just making you listen because you have ignored us
peace love dove
August 5th, 2009 at 7:51 pmTeaParty, what you are is a fascist. We are removing all fascist theocrat Republicans from our government, and if we have to imprison them, we will do so.
Every time you post your fascist rantings, you leave a trail that will be followed right to your door. We are coming for you, and we are going to remove you from our society.
August 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pmTomLei says:
Your main point is a strawman argument being spewed out by the brainwashed. NO ONE ANYWHERE is talking about the government choosing your doctors. Canada, England, France, Japan, Finnland ALL have national healthcare plans which is WAY more than has been advocated here. In NONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES does the government choose your doctor. Since you bring nothing but long ago debunked talking points and frankly stupid strawman arguments to the table good riddence. We will somehow try to soldier on with the void your loss leaves in our life. Nice WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH about our namecalling from the side of Ann Couler, Rush Limbaugh and Micheal Savage. Bite me.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:16 pmRats! That darned head injury! You may be able to tell who I accidentally recommended. Please rectify.
Good changes will happen in the U.S. through the work of adults who can exercise reason and self-restraint. There is nothing adult or patriotic about threatening people with bodily harm over one’s misinformed preconceptions formed courtesy of filthy rich shills like Beck and what-his-face (the fat one).
August 5th, 2009 at 8:18 pmPower_To_The_People says:
Freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to disrupt public meetings. You guys keep acting like we are up in arms about the right giving their side. Who cares about that. You keep losing the arguments on their merit. Its the disruption of the events. By the way keep reading the contitution see. I read it and doing you one better I understood it which you CLEARLY didnt. Get back to us when you have some dim concept about what freedom of speech actuall is. What it isnt is a bar against being criticised or a license to disrupt public meetings.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:19 pmteaparty says:
No moron something tragic happened in 2000 when Chimpy McShortbus was allowed to steal the election and then had 8 years of unremitting disaster from his stupidity and incompetence. YOU losing an election is NOT tragic. The stupid talking point programming you repeated only shows what a brainwashed piece of garbage you are. If you can only regurgitate what Rush tells you to think something else tragic happened. You have given your brain to the Limborg. Now granted it always WAS a very substandard brain but still you should use it yourself instead of turning it into a tape recorder you worthless troll moron
August 5th, 2009 at 8:23 pmTeaparty, here’s a page from your man Limpbaugh: Shut up! just SHUT THE HELL UP!!
August 5th, 2009 at 8:37 pmFascist birdbrain….
I didnt like bush either… point me
August 5th, 2009 at 9:14 pmcome for me ewwwww im scared now. threaten me with violence…. remember one thing, when im in range so are you.
well this has been fun ya’all have a collective good time commrades
August 5th, 2009 at 9:33 pm?? ????????!
well this has been fun ya’all have a collective good time commrades
oops wont print russky
dos va donya
August 5th, 2009 at 9:36 pmYou guys are hysterical!! All of the name calling and threats to come after people and remove them from society….WOW!! I can smell the desperation! Now, please remind me….which ones are the dangerous people, I forget. Good thing I don’t give in to fear! All sides like to play that fear card, but it doesn’t work on me. I am exercising my right to speak up and voice my opinion on a very serious subject. AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, I did not cause a disruption to any meeting and I only witnessed a handful of people being too loud for my comfort. Even those people did not cause delay or disruption to the meeting. It is acceptable to be loud and passionate at times, but people also have to listen to each other. The left has been disrupting meetings for years to make their points, it’s time for the other side to have a voice. Most of these are people who have never spoken up or protested about anything, ever.
Regardless of what happens, I will survive and life goes on. I will, however, be pleased with the fact that so many are waking up and holding the spoiled, elitist, government accountable for their actions.
No matter what political philosophy you have, please keep yourselves informed and discuss things intelligently. I don’t see much intelligence here, so you all have a lot to learn.
Now carry on with your name calling and put-downs, if you must. I don’t want to spoil your fun :-)
And one last thing, to EugeneDebs, no I didn’t read the contitution (duh!), I read the Constitution.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pmWhat? You mean like the black muslim convert that killed one of our young military men in front of a recruiting station? BTW
August 5th, 2009 at 10:06 pmI think it may well be time to defend ourselves….fight fire with fire….eye for an eye and all that biblical stuff. I would not be unhappy if some rally goer turned around and beat down one of those phoney bussed in yellers. It would only need to happen once or twice and we’d have an end to this crap. Fat old creeps would probably croak pretty easy.
August 5th, 2009 at 11:06 pmThe worst are filled with a passionate intensity, while the best lack all conviction…
August 5th, 2009 at 11:08 pmThis is domestic terrorism sponsored and encouraged by the Republican party and their fascist mouthpieces on talk radio. It’s time for President Obama to make a public appeal to the Republican leadership to call for and end to this unpatriotic breakdown in order within the Republican party.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:25 amYou’re kidding right?
Desperation is the RNC and the Insurance Lobby busing in a bunch of fat, lazy anti American trailer park rejects to pretend to be locals shouting down democratic speakers.
That’s desperation.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:31 amfreaks…
August 6th, 2009 at 12:35 amWhat those protesters who turned violent did was completely reprehensible… However, this is downright scary:
Levi says:
This individual believes that it is completely okay to imprison those who speak different than he would have them. And he is calling them fascist?
I detest people like this because of their glaring hypocrisy. Bill Clinton got caught with his pants down, and now we’re seeing all sorts of Republican lawmakers coming out of the woodwork being caught with theirs down as well, a few of whom were avid supporters of Slick Willy’s impeachment (although to be fair, the impeachment was regarding perjury, not for having a White House aid polish his pole on the desk of the President of the United States–which is possibly the most awesome thing to ever happen in the White House when you realize that W was forced to sit at and work on that desk afterwards).
Another great hypocrisy comes from both sides of the aisle. And you ALL are guilty of this, so don’t try to wiggle out of this one with your “but our side is right” mantra:
When the Democrats lost the House in 1994 and the election in 2000 (its over, move on), liberals blew a gasket. They couldn’t believe what had happened and were so enraged that they had crazies coming out from all parts of the woodwork trying to desperately send their message out any way they could, doing anything and everything to discredit, distort, and even outright lie to get back into power. Conservatives laughed at their “meltdown” and figured this was how it was going to be from now on… then came 2006, and 2008… role reversal in the extreme. History was (and still is) repeating itself. Conservatives are having a complete meltdown and liberals believe the party is done and are laughing about it even though they did the exact same thing not a decade before.
As far as the health care bill, I see the idiot groups with their misrepresentations about end-of-life consults for seniors as if that means euthanasia, publicly funded abortion, and rate increases for the privately insured. I laugh. So desperate are they to get people to oppose it that they lie and distort (see above). My only question regarding the bill is simple: How do they plan on paying for it? Even the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that it will add $2.2 trillion to the deficit, while Obama has made a claim of $2.7 trillion in budget cuts. No offense, but I think I will stick to what the Budget Office says, rather than a politician.
I am a conservative. A true conservative. An open-minded, free-thinking individual that would rather look at raw data to glean facts than to take the easy way because I learned early on: Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.
In the end, we’re all human. Stop fighting and play nice.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:53 amWhat about what I smell?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:02 amI am thinking maybe like 3/5ths…
August 6th, 2009 at 1:04 amThis clown is a laugher, alright. One thing is for sure…he has the right name. Sounds like the name all Republicans should adopt.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:23 amHere’s an email message from the DNC… and my answer:
Thanks,
Jen O’Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee
==============================================================
I’d like to know why-the-hell you’re not on the 6:00 news on every station on every network saying this?
Why are you not raising hell instead of money?
I am just about ready to give up on the Democratic Party… where are your guts? Why are you not FIGHTING mad?
This “go-along-to-get-along” attitude stinks and the rethuglicans sure as hell are winning the intimidation battle.
Posting your objections on the Internet is preaching to the choir; you need to reach those who are glued to FOX News
And speaking of FOX News, why aren’t those talking heads who spout this crap arrested for inciting riots?
You can bet your ass that if the Dems were to do this there’d be holy hell to pay.
I’m mad as hell and I don’t feel like this party is representing me or my idea of Democracy!
I’ll donate, again, once the DNC proves it’s got muscle and guts enough to squash the illegal behaviour of the right-wing nut jobs. Free speech is one thing, but assault on Reps. and the disruption of Govt. events, such as Town Hall meetings, is lawlessness plain and simple! NOW, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!?
Ed XXXX
August 6th, 2009 at 5:41 amArlington, WA.
Free_Thinker says:
Edmund Burke
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do NOTHING
August 6th, 2009 at 5:56 amFree_Thinker says:
In the end, we’re all human. Stop fighting and play nice.
I’m glad you see things that way, but even a player has to turn around, look at his teammates, and tell them to stop playing dirty.
Tell your team to stop playing dirty.
August 6th, 2009 at 7:30 amHow long will it be until one of these “screamers” pulls out his legally concealed weapon and shoots someone. This is getting out of hand.
August 6th, 2009 at 8:45 amTime to make use of that Patriot Act that was so loved by the Republicans.
August 6th, 2009 at 8:50 amI think that it was Eldridge Cleaver who said that violence was as American as apple pie.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:14 amFunny how 6 or 7 months in this is becoming a genuine concern… yet for all the complaining Democrats and liberals did about Bush there really wasn’t anything comparable going on.
Just shows you the mentality, I guess.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:18 ampjkool says:
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This is domestic terrorism sponsored and encouraged by the Republican party and their fascist mouthpieces on talk radio. It’s time for President Obama to make a public appeal to the Republican leadership to call for and end to this unpatriotic breakdown in order within the Republican party
Response: Let’s reframe the debate here and replace the party names with the term government. While the left side would like to frame the right side of the “political” spectrum as fascist, and the right frame the left as socialist. The truth is that our founders were trying to keep our government somewhere in the center of a completely different spectrum with “tyranny” being the far left and “anarchy” being the far right. You seem to be smart people, so I won’t define those two terms. Our GOVERNMENT, both parties, is moving us towards tyranny which comes in forms such as socialism, fascism, and communism….all authoritative statist rule.
This leads me back to the point of this thread. We the people are fed up with our governments rapid move towards tyranny…whether you want to frame it as fascism or socialism. I don’t agree with Bill Maher or Rush Limbaugh who think that the American people are stupid. We know tyranny when we see it, thus we are showing up, UNPAID, to town hall meetings, TEA parties, and our leaders offices, and letting our government know that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Give us our country back.
August 6th, 2009 at 11:44 amIf you right wingers think you have power now. Just wait a little while.
You will soon be screeching from behind the cars in the parking lot.
You’re losing sensible people and the fringies like you are soon to be thrown under the bus.
good night gop.
August 6th, 2009 at 5:35 pmAh yes, more transperency.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=2&hp
August 7th, 2009 at 11:11 amre: EugeneDebs & Free_Thinker: You are exactly right
August 7th, 2009 at 2:06 pmHere are your “good people”:
http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/meet-the-mob/
to starkcr31:
August 7th, 2009 at 4:19 pmThis video?
SEIU Attacks Black Conservative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnxlFbYjVY
More grist-
August 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmThe House Bill Skews End-of-Life Counsel:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html?hpid=opinionsbox1