Lobbyist-Run Group Americans for Prosperity Provides Talkings Points To ‘Birther’ At Rep. Perriello Town Hall
Lobbyist-Run Group Americans for Prosperity Provides Talkings Points To ‘Birther’ At Rep. Perriello Town Hall
EDITOR’S NOTE: Over the coming month, ThinkProgress will be traveling to town hall events across the country to report on what we’re seeing on the ground. This is our second eyewitness report.
Last night, ThinkProgress attended Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-VA) town hall in Ruckersville, Virginia. Inside, many people were holding signs provided by Americans for Prosperity, a corporate front-group run by a Jack Abramoff associate who also ran “grassroots” lobbying campaigns for Enron and other business interests. There were loud disruptions as people interrupted with intermittent yells and boos, but dozens of others showed up in support of both Perriello and the House health care bill.
“I’m angry that you ignore the law of the Constitution that requires Obama to prove that he is a natural born citizen,” said one town hall attendee. After being interviewed by ThinkProgress at the event, the man not only confirmed his “birther” views, but said he was contacted by Ben Marchi to distribute Americans for Prosperity talking points and signs at the event. Marchi is the Virginia state director of Americans for Prosperity and a former staffer for former Republican Majority Leader Rep. Tom Delay (R-TX). Watch it:
Americans for Prosperity, which is funded by oil-interests like Koch Industries, has relied upon extreme elements to build opposition to Obama and to progressive legislation. Events sponsored and organized by the group have featured Democratic members of Congress hung in effigy, rhetoric comparing health reform to the Holocaust, and signs accusing lawmakers of being traitors.
Rather than foster a constructive dialogue, groups like Americans for Prosperity have been tapping into fear and encouraging disruptions of town hall events. The strategy is not only undemocratic, but it lends legitimacy to far more dangerous activities.
A local right-wing blogger called “Send A Rope” is following around Perriello, taping him and accusing him of being a “traitor” for voting for clean energy reform. The blogger, who encourages readers to send pieces of rope to Congress and the White House, declares on his website, “I don’t think that there are enough trees or rope in Washington DC to handle all the traitors you would find there.” In a YouTube video, the blogger ominously warns, “I hope it doesn’t come to us having to do what we all think is coming with these guns, but you better be ready if it is.”
Though this blogger is not openly affiliated with Americans for Prosperity, this type of violent political rhetoric is being fueled by lobbyist-run groups and their allies in right-wing media (Send A Rope lists Fox News’ Glenn Beck and Judge Napolitano as inspirations).
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These thugs need to be jailed and the key thrown away.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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send a dope…
and they do.
:|
August 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pmAt what point do the police or secret service get involved…
August 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pmA wingnut cites Beck as an inspiration?
Rush is going to be jealous – look for more Nazi comments from OxyRush.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm“Send A Rope” lists Fox News’ Glenn Beck and Judge Napolitano as inspirations.
– - To “Send A Rope” and people like him, achieving just mediocrity is a daydream.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Some people don’t want health reform because they have their own plans in mind and don’t care whether they live or die.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:42 pmHi atsegga:
August 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pmYou have a funny name. If you can get pretty bot Borgen over her to explain that stupid Dutch Harbor shit. I will write a check immediately… See ya then…
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#4,
usually when it’s too late.
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August 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pmWe never said they weren’t smart….ie the leaders. Just not noble.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Yeah, Obama is ruining this country. The economy sucks. I just sold my house for full price in four days. Suck on that, wingnuts!
August 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pmI’m going to a town hall in MD tomorrow, and if one of these redneck losers so much as touches me, he/she will find his/her ass in jail. That is a promise.
It’s the November, 1963 milieu of Dallas, TX.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pmWhat a scam! These ‘Protesters’ Are nothing but ‘Birthers’ and ‘Tea-Baggers’ Just look at them. Mostly old, white, scared racists who haven’t come to grips that Obama won. And not only did the ‘Black Guy’ win, he won in a landslide. These people are bitter and sad. What a bunch of losers.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Was former Rep. Virgil Goode in the audience with a sign comparing Perriello to a Nazi?
August 11th, 2009 at 3:50 pmit is amazing that liberals, the MSM and the authorities allow right wing nuts to get away with stuff like this, painting swastikas, nazi signs, etc.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:51 pmkwsventures says:
The leader of the health care debate has a 30-year history of smoking cigs. Perfect.
Says the republican who lobbies to keep 30 million people depositing into big tobacco. Get your story straight. The president is in excellent health and struggles with the occasional cigarette.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
FDR the leader of the social security debate died of old age. So?
August 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI can’t stand listening to the media when they try to make these people seem legitimate. They’re the lunatic fringe that we have in this country. What’s left of the republican party. I’ve been getting a kick out of their antics up to now. We just can’t let them block health care reform.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
17 kwsventures voted down and flagged for off topic spam.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:56 pmIt’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.
Well, troll, I have to say that the president mispoke. The post office hasn’t always been having problems — it’s related to email and online bill pay; they remain OK with parcels and customer service and delivery time is excellent — but you’ve dug in for a cheap talking point to latch onto and there’s no stopping you.
trollbreath@whitehouse.gov
August 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pmThen where are the low costs created by the free market in the health care system?
It just all depends on who’s running it.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Wow. It seems after Obama’s speech, the trolls have come out in full force. Let’s see, who will Americans respond better too? A man who uses his time having a thoughtful debate? Or a bunch of screaming, hatefilled, old folks who look like they are on the verge of hysteria? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pmgaruda says:
It’s the November, 1963 milieu of Dallas, TX.
August 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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it is, isn’t it?
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Right. With the national and internation disasters inherited from Bush’s adventures in dictatorship, and the ensuing stress of dealing with lies, lies and more lies from the WhiteWing spin machine, quitting smoking should be the President’s first priority.
At least Bush has the sense to shut up and stay out of the public eye. The same cannot be said for his supporters and the idiot trolls he inspired.
PEACE
August 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pmkwsventures says:
Obama struggles with an occasional cigs. Too funny. Too ironic. Too much.
And I suppose you are the epitome of health? Perhaps you can provide a health care bill for us, Oh Exalted One?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pmjoe cantwell says:
August 11th, 2009 at 4:02 pmThats what scares me Joe. These people have ginned up enough fear and paranoia at this point that what they’re wishing for could become a self fullfilling prophecy.
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Fear and paranoia are inevitable when your reality is based on lies.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pmAnd John Boehner thanks you for supporting his smoking habit and paying for his health insurance.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm***
jim,
the trolls are here.
and they’re packing.
ready to harass, intimidate
and kill those who disagree with them.
*
their motto?
democracy doesn’t count when the vote’s against you.
:=|
August 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pmNa, didn’t you see Obama on TV today. Cool and calm. Just what the right doesn’t want to see.
That eventually sinks in and more rational people see it.
Their self fullfilling profocy would end in a civil war. Aint going to happen.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pmOdd that the industry front groups are openly embracing the birthers. They must think a screaming mob will be enough to kill reform by confusing people (maybe) or intimidating the representatives holding the meetings (doesn’t seem to be working yet). Generally a bunch of screaming lunatics aren’t particularly effective at changing minds, especially when their message is so unfocused.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm“I don’t think that there are enough trees or rope in Washington DC to handle all the traitors you would find there.” In a YouTube video, the blogger ominously warns, “I hope it doesn’t come to us having to do what we all think is coming with these guns, but you better be ready if it is.”
Thinking ever who posted this or even the web site really needs a visit by the FBI>>> thats is so close to being a thread that after all theother things happing should be honesty look into.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm***
“Mommy”?
jay/jpreston/ocotillo
is back.
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and he’s still repeating himself.
:)
August 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pmSure smacks of desperation, doesn’t it?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pmAlejandro: “Fred, show me a free market health care system and I’ll show you lower costs.”
In Australia, people pay $5 per bottle for the test strips people with diabetes need every day to test their blood. In our country, people pay about $35 per bottle for the same product. If you were right about the “free market,” the bottles would be more expensive there, not here.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pmFred says:
August 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pmAnd I give props to the President for staying even-keel. I saw it Fred. Just reaffirms the choice I made on November 4, 2208. THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR MY COUNTRY.
And Trolls? Kindly go FCUK yourselves!
Should read 2008. Proofread….Proofread.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:12 pmTrolls calling for Mommy to “make it stop.”
Not new and not pretty.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pmAlejandro: “Damn! Vote downs for the e-cigs?
I guess those were just Phillip Morris paid trolls, right?”
No, the vote downs are for raging, unbelievable stupidity. And, people like you seem to be proud to be stupid. Strange.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pmkwsventures says
August 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
The leader of the health care debate has a 30-year history of smoking cigs. Perfect.
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Yup, and I bet he has a bacon cheeseburger once in awhile, too. What’s your point? Are you suggesting that only presidents with no bad habits and the physical fitness of Jack LaLanne in his prime are permitted to attempt to get health insurance for 50 million uninsured Americans?
Methinks you’re really reaching to find reasons to oppose health care reform. And “the president smokes” is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pmPigs at the trough
August 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThis is embarassing. These old folks make us look like were crazy. But you know what? A lot of these Town Halls are filled with old white people. Where are the minorities? Where are the young people?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Seems obvious that it needs to be advertised far and wide and all over the place that “American’s for Prosperity” is a Kock Industries sponsored disinformation agency; i.e., they’re lying sacks of shit.
“Send a Rope” needs to put a cork in it. Now.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
NinerFan says:
Alejandro: “Fred, show me a free market health care system and I’ll show you lower costs.”
In Australia, people pay $5 per bottle for the test strips people with diabetes need every day to test their blood. In our country, people pay about $35 per bottle for the same product. If you were right about the “free market,” the bottles would be more expensive there, not here.
What’s more…
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2005/Jul/Health-Spending-in-the-United-States-and-the-Rest-of-the-Industrialized-World.aspx
August 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pmIt’s exasperating that the lunatics, the mentally ill that choose to ignore factual evidence are given credence for their deranged conspiracy theories.
Fcking Sore Losers, you don’t like it, move. Careful you don’t fall off the edge of the earth.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pmshow me a free market health care system and I’ll show you lower costs.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm— and a lot more dead and mangled patients… Healthcare requires controls otherwise I would have given my neighbor that new hip…
And likely half of them [or more] get medicare. Really, if these ‘patriots’ think medicare is destroying the United States all they have to do is drop out of the program.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pmBreaking.. Sargento has pulled advertising from Glenn Beck. It’s a bad day for Glenn, first GEIKO now Sargento… Do you think he will start crying again?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pmkwsventures says:
The leader of the health care debate has a 30-year history of smoking cigs. Perfect.
The president who lied to get us into a war and ruined our economy is an alcoholic with a history of drug abuse. REALLY perfect.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pmWhile checking out the “send a rope” site, I noticed that familiar article about an “Israel psychologist” observing how Barack Obama has narcissistic personality disorder.
I don’t know if this has been discussed on TP before.
The “psycologist” they are interviewing is Sam Vadkin, whose PhD is in philosphy. He is not a psycologist and admits that on his on sites.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pmVadkin was diagnosed with NPD when he was serving time in an Israeli prison in 1996 for fraud.
I finally decided to swallow the bait and check that “Send a Rope” website that Feigel guy put us…
So we’re to send a piece of rope to any politician with the word “traitor” inside the envelope, but we shouldn’t put a return address?
Coward.
Then he tells us that these shouldn’t advocate any direct hate messages. Oh, but a rope with the words “traitor” does the trick without indicating violence?
Coward.
In his intro video, he goes on to say: “Politicians have two things: their power and their popularity, and if they don’t have their popularity, they don’t have their power.” He naturally uses the thumb and index finger–yes, indicating a GUN–to point out these two points.
Coward.
I notice he’s doing this all in front of a microphone (a la Glenn Beck, whose 9/12 link is right next to him), asking for people to send the rope and not send him money. Yet he’s got an ad asking for people to buy a product in order for him to continue the website.
Coward.
Totally the WRONG way to approach politics. Look, if you are angry that the representative you vote for doesn’t get into office, fine. Don’t take it out on those that were voted in by encouraging people to blindly call politicians traitors.
sendtheropeback.com
August 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm17. kwsventures says: The leader of the health care debate has a 30-year history of smoking cigs. Perfect.
So fracking what, doofus? I’m in favor of health insurance reform and I smoked longer than Obama has. Have you ever tried quitting smoking, or even smokeless, after a few decades, doofus? I don’t think you should disrespect the man; he’s trying to quit. Oh yeah, it took my wife pushing to get me to quit too, so don’t discount intervention, and it still wasn’t easy. I could start up today and be hooked again after the first couple o’ butts…
So just don’t fracking knock it if you haven’t tried it.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pmAlejandro says:
Ha ha! You think we have a free market.
ha ha! You think a free market exists, anywhere.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThis proposal should not be called insurance but welfare!
How do Germany and France and the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD manage it then???
August 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pmI can’t imagine a worse time to try to quit smoking, if I were Obama.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pmTrolls = Birthers
Trolls = Deathers
Trolls = Teabaggers
Trolls = Americans for Prosperity
Trolls = Racists
Anyone notice a pattern here?
Do us all a favor, TPers…
You can’t smack down a Troll, but you can VOTE DOWN a Troll.
Happy Voting…
August 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pmFrance insures its people TWICE over for LESS than the United States pays… strange isn’t it, watchdog?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/11/frances_model_healthcare_system/
August 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pmHow will these hysterical people going to deal with this:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/11/health.care.religious.groups/index.html
What would Jesus do???
Shout down their pastors?? Call them evil???
August 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pmIsn’t the real issues whether admitted by these fools or not really around:
How dare a person of color such as Obama make any changes.
Has anyone noticed it is only the whites that have been manipulated to behave in this manner by the hobbyist thugs and not one of any of the rainbow of colors present in the US.
As the rainbow of color certainly outnumbers the whites, this should be obvious.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:31 pm***
#67,
doggie you’re a fu(king b|tch.
here’s the link to where you
got your bullsh|t.
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besides taking a crap on the lawn
have ever come up with an original
thought of your own?
. . .
August 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pmA government run plan would increase the taxpayer burden
August 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm—
watchdog the part you don’t get is that I don’t care. I am happy to be taxed more if it helps others that may have less than I. I suppose this is a weird concept for you…
There is no need to disrupt town hall meetings to defeat public healthcare, just drop out of the medicare program.
They wont, they just want, it seems, a reason to rationalize the violent emotions running around in their screamy haids. Remember this is the might is right unitary executive above the law authoritarian corporal punishment torture people do as I say all problems are nails to be hammered bombs are foreign policy kill you to free you Jesus loves me hates you holier than thou crowd.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pmAlejandro says:
Ha ha! You think we have a free market.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
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True – we don’t have a free market in the U.S., in any industry. We have, at best, regulated hegemonies. So what type of “free market” system do you envision for health care that will guarantee coverage for all and will keep costs down?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dbadass, the part watchdog doesn’t get is that we have the highest burden in the industrialized world already…
Taking care of these inefficiencies would REDUCE our costs and the taxpayer burden like it has in FRANCE and GERMANY and THE ENTIRE REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pmocotillo says:
Bite me you ignorant piece of garbage punkass troll
August 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pmMedicare was solvent until corporate healthcare starting treating it as a cash cow.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThey milk every last drop from each patient’s benefits on tests and services, whether they need it or not.
A government run plan would increase the taxpayer burden
Who pays Halliburton? Or Bechtel? Or Blackwater? How has this privatization saved money?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThe dirty f ucking hippies were right.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pmkwsventures says:
I am flat out too smart to ever smoke cigs. Out.
Good.
How about to contract diabetes? Are you too smart for that?
Or develop brain cancer? Too smart for that?
Or any number of catastrophic illnesses that would have your insurance carrier scrambling to dis-enroll you through rescission?
Too smart?!?
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
August 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm***
how about cigars,
assh0le?
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out.
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August 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pmwatchpuppy is simply scared of change, and hasn’t realized that he can’t take his $2.47 fortune with him when he dies.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pmwatchmutt says:
Yeah, its about as simple as your idea. which is do nothing while healthcare costs spiral even further out of control and bankrupt us.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pmTWIT.
watchdog says:
You are so ignorant. You are also a LIAR taxes would have to be raised by 90%. That is so ignorant I cant believe even someone as stupid as YOU is buying and peddling such blatant stupidity. An adjustment will need to be made because the demographics of America has changed. Not a doubling of taxes you are a LIAR. That also doesnt mean a government healthcare plan would necessarily cost more for reasons I have already gone over a dozen times and you were too stupid to understand THEN so I wont bother to try it again. Its enough to point out the rest of the industrial world HAS government provided healthcare and every one of them pays CONSIDERABLY less while we are only 37th on the quality list. Your stupid is strong but your ignorant propaganda is weak
August 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm54. alejandro sez:…
Alejandro, are you just simple or stupid?
Actually, I get test strips for considerably less than the $5.00 per bottle than Australians pay, but that’s because I have insurance, and not a particularly bad plan. There are other plans that could wreck my pocketbook on pharmacueticals and there may be others where I could have pharmacueticals completely subsidized by the other people in my pool or by the taxpayer. If I could get test strips over the counter in this state, without a prescription, and without the insurance, they would probably cost around $35.00 per bottle.
Each manufacturer makes his own proprietary test strip and that manufacturer sets the market retail price. Then the price is manipulated by insurance companies, who decide which manufacturer’s product they will and will not cover, retail and bulk pharmacies which may or may not give a discount from the manufacturer’s suggested retail, and on and on.
Blood glucose test strips may not be the best example of what happens to pricing in a semi-monoplistic market where supply and demand do NOT carry the day, but they’re close enough to show some interesting effects. Including the effects of your stupidity regarding economics and health care.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pmZooey @ 84
Yes we were.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pmHealth insurance [private] has increased in cost by some 120% in the last decade Watchdog…how is that not a burden? Isnt that causing many of these right wing protestors to get medicare??
August 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pmwatchdog says:
If it were just that simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
If only you werent so stupid
August 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventures says:
I am flat out too smart to ever smoke cigs. Out.
Do you drink alcohol?
Do you have unprotected sex?
Do you eat too much fast food?
Yes, being healthy requires proactive choices.
But apparently you’re not too smart to defend yourself.
Run away, little man. Run away.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
There, I said it. Many rightwing protestors of public health insurance get medicare because they cant afford private health insurance because of rising costs.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pmwatchdog says:
Gee a business organization is against business mandates. I am shocked, SHOCKED I say. Are you really this stupid?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pmkwsventures says:
Smoking cigs for 30 years you are just asking for medical problems.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
No kidding. What’s your point?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWell, the Bush tax cuts [1.5 trillion] were supposed to create jobs WatchDog. That didnt happen. In fact ONLY about eight million jobs were created during the Bush presidency.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
All kwsventures posts should be voted down and flagged for off topic spamming.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Smoking cigs for 30 years you are just asking for medical problems. August 11th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
And sitting in traffic, sucking fumes, for a good part of our lives is good for us?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pmMeanwhile back on TOPIC. This lobby group is leading the gullible and stupid around by the nose. Taking advantage of the sheep to do what the trolls are doing here take the discussion off topic.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:49 pm78. kwsventures sez:…
Perhaps you are too smart in some respects, but you’re not smart enough to not come around making snot troll noises.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pmkwsventures says:
Do you have sex? no
there you go.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
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now you’re telling the truth.
keep it up.
:)
August 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pmSure MORON like I am going to go to a Fox Karl Rove site. What a walking d*#chebag you are.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:51 pmIs the sex protected if he carefully unfolds his lady from out of his closet and blows her up with a footpump?
August 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pmkwsventures says:
the point. here is the fricking point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdeCl1ZDYwo
August 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
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thanks!
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August 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pmkwsventures says:
August 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
President Obama smoked as a young man. So? Is that illegal? I’d prefer that he hadn’t been a smoker, but as far as I can tell it’s none of my business — or yours. Get over yourself.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pm***
almost forgot,
“Out”.
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not really,
you’ll be back.
:)
August 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pmWhile it is off topic, I smoked cigarettes for 20 years or so. They are difficult to quit, no doubt, but I am celebrating 9.5 years without a cig. Cold turkey does work, and I wish Obama luck in his quest to quit smoking as well.
There is nothing as sweet as getting the nicotine monkey off your back, but watching kwsventures get banned will be pretty sweet too.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pmkwsventures says:
Do you drink alcohol? no
Do you have unprotected sex? no
Do you eat too much fast food? no
Yes, being healthy requires proactive choices.
That would be wonderful, wouldn’t it, if making those choices were enough to guarantee you never got sick? Never came down with MS, or cancer, or heart disease, or ALS, or . . .
And dying young is a good option as well.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI own a small business.
It is in my best interest for my employees to have health insurance.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pmWe offer group but nobody wants to pay the co-pay the past few years, it has become so high.
Yes, being healthy requires proactive choices.
there you go.
Sure… but is that all?
What about the cancer patient who ran marathons?
Did they make a bad choice? No.
What about the person born with a congenital heart defect?
Did they make a bad choice? No.
What about the person hit by a drunk driver on the freeway and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life?
Did they make a bad choice? No.
Do they all deserve health care? Yes.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:54 pmEverybody deserves care. And it saves us money in the end.
A 2009 Study by the National Federation of Independent Business Owners (NIFB) found that an employer mandate would result in a net loss of 1.6 million jobs between 2009 to 2013. Small business would be hit the hardest, accounting for an estimated 66% of job losses.
So now you’re FOR single-payer?
I’m confused…
August 11th, 2009 at 4:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Do you drink alcohol? Yes.
Do you have unprotected sex? Sometimes.
Do you eat too much fast food? No.
The troll doesn’t know that none of us is getting out of here alive. **eyes rolling**
August 11th, 2009 at 4:55 pmThe Top Insurance Co. CEO’s make about $1Million Dollars…
A MONTH!
August 11th, 2009 at 4:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well, no. Car accidents, for one, can make you very unhealthy very quickly with you not having a choice. I can think of many other examples..
August 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pmdefine fasr food? A better question would be do you eat too much processed food…
August 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pmThese teaparty brawlers, hooligans are domestic terrorists – bringing guns to the meetings and starting fights.
Just like the Scott Roeder, all the people that are visiting him in jail and Operation Rescue, they should all be identified and removed from civil society. There are laws on the books sufficient to handle these domestic terrorists. Lets use them.
They are the new Brown Shirts.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pm118. belaccifer lacca says: A 2009 Study by the National Federation of Independent Business Owners (NIFB) found that an employer mandate would result in a net loss of 1.6 million jobs between 2009 to 2013.
So just who is the NFIBO, belaccifer? Are they a neutral party, or is there a neutral party that will vouch for their statistics, or are they just a pack of rascals with a worst case projection?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:02 pmNo sex, junk food,or alchohol?
That’s enough to turn anyone into a troll.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:02 pmHas it occured to you your insurance premiums are going into paying lobbyists way thru life?
And really, do you think ANY insurance program does NOT use other peoples money, yours, to pay their medical bills??
August 11th, 2009 at 5:02 pmThis is the problem, kwsventures: Health care is not a moral issue, unless people do not have access to it. It is a basic human right.
It’s good to know you’ll be refusing police protection, fire protection, and those Social Security checks and Medicare benefits when you retire. We wouldn’t want to compromise your moral standards.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pmI chose the dungbeetle as the type of insect I was going to be when Limbaugh called TP bloggers insects.
The dungbeetle rolls up a large ball of shit and uses it to reproduce. The more shit you fascist wingnuts throw against the wall, the more dungbeetles you create.
When I first came here, I used the moniker “Levi the Oracle”. I enjoy predicting the future, and I am often correct. Currently I am predicting the fascist Republicans are going to attempt a coup against the legitimate government. That coup is going to lead to bloodshed, but the police and National Guard will arrest or kill the fascist Republican traitors.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pmAnd what about AIG? They got a huge baulout because they were playing hedge fund with peoples premiums. WOW. How many people didnt pay their way thru life with that scam?
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Okay, lets say kwsventures gets a health insurance policy that costs a thousand dollars a month [12k yearly]
After paying on this poliy for five years [60k dollars] He has an accident resulting in hospital bills costing over 500k.
Did kwsventures use others peoples money to pay his health care?
YES!!!!!
August 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pmI don’t want to pay for your lifestyle decisions. And I would never ask anyone to pay for mine. that is the entire moral point.
I’m sick of subsidizing the roads in Florida… I never drive there!
I’m sick of subsidizing Viagra! I don’t need it!
I’m sick of subsidizing Nuclear Weapons we’re never gonna use! Let ‘em use the ones we’ve got first!
/sarc
August 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pmSo just who is the NFIBO, belaccifer? Are they a neutral party, or is there a neutral party that will vouch for their statistics, or are they just a pack of rascals with a worst case projection?
I was quoting watchdog’s nonsense… sorry for not being clear. I don’t buy his numbers at all.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:09 pmkwsventures said,
If someone is born with cerebral palsy or muscular dystrophy, they will probably never be able to pay their own way through life. You don’t want to pay for their healthcare because you are immoral.
You would very much want others to pay for you healthcare if you were born with a permanent life disability. This means you are selfish and ignorant.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:10 pmkwsventures says:
I don’t want to pay for your lifestyle decisions. And I would never ask anyone to pay for mine. that is the entire moral point.
August 11th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
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Shall I assume, then, that you never drive on roads? Inspect your own food for contamination? Put out all your own fires? Solve all your own crimes? Control air traffic and safety in your own airspace?
I can imagine that you never pay your health insurance premiums either, or do you not have health insurance at all? You must not have insurance, otherwise you’d be asking all the other people on your plan to pay for your lifestyle decisions.
If you do have insurance, you’re a hypocrite.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:10 pmHaven’t y’all heard? kwsventures is a self-made man!
Apparently the first ever…
August 11th, 2009 at 5:11 pmkwsventures says:
everyone needs to pay their own way through life. stop asking others to pay for you. true freedom allows you to live any lifestyle. I don’t want to pay for your lifestyle decisions. And I would never ask anyone to pay for mine. that is the entire moral point.
You think people make “lifestyle decisions” about chronic diseases? “Uh, I’ve been thinkin’ I’d like to try multiple sclerosis, and just stay home all day.”
It’s interesting, though, that you equate selfishness with “moral.”
August 11th, 2009 at 5:12 pmkwsventures says:
I have health insurance you ignorant piece of trash. I want my nieghbor to have it too. Since I am not a selfish subhuman moron like YOU who worships Ebenezer Scrooge I dont mind paying more taxes so Americans stop DYING because they are too poor to afford health insurance. I am sure you are too stupid to understand this simple concept. The entire industrial world except us manages this for their citizens and I think American citizens deserve to be treated with at least as much respect as citizens of China, Finnland and France.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pmkwsventures says:
“everyone needs to pay their own way through life.”
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like enron,
haliburton,
black water….?
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there’s welfare
and then there’s welfare.
:)
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This ends the FedEx & UPS argument.
Good. Can we talk about the French and German argument now? Being that that is the argument actually germane to health care?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:14 pmkwsventures says:
all bailouts for business and individuals are immoral.
We should let those selfish enough to get leukemia without health insurance die then?
To do the moral thing?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:15 pm#84 Zooey
Great link.
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kwsventures says: not the first, but few regulars on this website do much more than beg for the welfare state.
So, what did Jesus charge to heal people?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pmkwsventures said,
So if the federal government gives a crippled child healthcare, that is immoral?
You are so incredibly evil, it’s frightening that you are not in a prison right now.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pmkwsventures says:
My GOD you are so stupid it hurts to read your ignorant posts. You have no idea what the posters here do and of course you are a LIAR so you just repeat what Rush TOLD you to think about liberals. I appologize to the word think for slandering it by associating it in any way with your name you mindless moron. You are ignorant. You are a liar and a fool and a pustlent carbunkle on the ASS of mankind. Decent humans must shun you. I dont know what is worse. That you are stupid and pathetic or that you have no heart, brain, or soul. The world became a poorer place the day you were born and will remain the worse for your existance till the glad day when that ends
August 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pmkwsventures says:
And to all you ignorant good for nothing punkass trolls. Bite me then STFU
August 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pmDid you know that minimum wage, paid by many companies, is actually poverty level income?
Now, how can you have a country where people are paid so little they cant afford health insurance? And thats my fault corporations created a need for assistance?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:21 pmXisithrus says:
WOW. That smackdown was so terrible I bet KSweirdo’s children will be born dizzy should that unhappy event ever happen.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pmkwsventures says:
By the way. YOU re not my favorite moron. Too stupid. You make it just too easy. Not even batting practice really
August 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pmkwsventures lecture us on “moral” decisions. Never drives one mile over the speed limit, no sugar in the tea, no tea because of the caffeine…. I bet this troll’s the life of the party.
Never had a glass of wine with dinner? Oh shit! Now it looks like that glass of wine would have been the healthy choice. You are asking us all to bear the risk of you not drinking the occasional glass of wine. Outfckingrageous!!
By the way, the shift key is on either side of the keyboard. Take some time from your pious lecturing to learn how to use it.
Dumbfck.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pmHeh
August 11th, 2009 at 5:25 pmThe troll is lurking and voting everyone down — self-made pussy.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pmZooey says:
Yeah I noticed that . When I see that I just go along and give EVERYONE a vote up. Cancel out the petulance of the punk
August 11th, 2009 at 5:27 pmP.D. says
August 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Breaking.. Sargento has pulled advertising from Glenn Beck.
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Hooray for Sargento! I see homemade quesadillas in my future — with Sargento cheese (Mexican blend).
August 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pmAmericasBack says:
I think you are giving him waaaaay too much credit. I mean what mind?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pmAmericasBack says:
(sorry gone so long. I’ve been up in Virginia spending time with my kid)
August 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
I was wondering where you’d gone. It’s good to spend time with the kidlets. I just saw my eldest on Saturday. Good to have you back!
August 11th, 2009 at 5:33 pmStroking your bosses ‘ego’ is not a job..its a really creepy form of welfare.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pmkwsventures says:
everyone needs to pay their own way through life. stop asking others to pay for you. true freedom allows you to live any lifestyle. I don’t want to pay for your lifestyle decisions. And I would never ask anyone to pay for mine. that is the entire moral point.
Have fun with your hermit lifestyle.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThe real stupidity goes to those that fail see how pro corporate health insurance/Big Pharma astroturf lobbyist groups manipulate idiots into believing our present system is just fine.
You do realize if we keep going the corporate direction our country will not survive…. the costs will continue to escalate and and burdened small and big business will continue to close or go over seas.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pmhad enough says:
You pasted My comment and yeah. I agree completly with your assessment
August 11th, 2009 at 5:46 pm“kwsventures lecture us on “moral” decisions.”
Haven’t we figured this out yet? The ones yammering the loudest about a given “moral” issue are often the biggest offenders.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pmThis inquiring mind wants to know why people have not organized and demonstrated outside Americans for Prosperity offices along with the health insurance companies. I would suggest that once these demonstrations make the news, it will change the dynamics of the town hall disruptions, especially if there are large, loud crowds.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pmEugeneDebs says:
had enough says:
You pasted My comment and yeah. I agree completly with your assessment
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I find the style many use here confusing at times:
I scanned the other posts from kwsventures and was commenting to that attitude also.
BTW, are you from Eugene OR?
August 11th, 2009 at 6:24 pmwatchdog says:
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dbadass says:
show me a free market health care system and I’ll show you lower costs.
— and a lot more dead and mangled patients… Healthcare requires controls otherwise I would have given my neighbor that new hip…
A government run plan would increase the taxpayer burden. According to Medicare Trustees, the Medicare Trust Fund will be insolvent by 2017! The Congressional Budget Office estimates that individual & Corporate tax rates would have to rise by about 90% to finance the projected increase in spending through 2050. This proposal should not be called insurance but welfare!
and you would be the first to sign up for this “welfare proposal” when your insurance rescinds your policy…
August 11th, 2009 at 6:27 pmWhen folks of differing views get into arguments you can’t understand what they’re saying because they’re both (or more) yelling at the same time. The comments sections of political websites are like that only you can “hear” what each individual is saying.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:45 pmDems and liberals are such cowards and sissies. They don’t have the guts to stand up to these racists, thugs and bullies. Which is why I call myself an independent now…
Only when Dems are willing to fight for justice will they deserve to have it
August 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmHarryT says:
Only when Dems are willing to fight for justice will they deserve to have it
August 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Yeah? Where were you in the Bush years?
Coward.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:38 amhad enough says:
No I am in Flagstaff Az and grew up in SoCal
August 12th, 2009 at 12:50 amThe amusing thing is that these anti-health-care-reform protestors are engaging in anti-free-speech behavior.
It’s true! They don’t want to hear any support for health-care-reform! They only want to disrupt the “town-hall” meetings, and want to disrupt any free-speech of people who want honest answers to questions about the pending legislation. These anti-free-speech radicals are claiming to support free-speech, but the only thing they support is drowning out any other voices except their own!
August 12th, 2009 at 9:03 am