Right-wing global warming deniers protest Clean Energy Summit.
By on Aug 11th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Right-wing global warming deniers protest Clean Energy Summit.
Yesterday, the Center for American Progress Action Fund hosted the National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas, a gathering attended by Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Harry Reid, Steven Chu, Hilda Solis, and many other experts. Unsurprisingly, right-wing protesters – many of whom are global warming deniers – also gathered at the venue. The Wonk Room’s Brad Johnson interviewed some of the protesters to get a better understanding of their views. One said President Obama is an “Anti-American Arab” who “is not a natural-born citizen.” Many others said that global warming is a hoax, that Obama is a man of divided loyalties and questionable associations, and that the country is headed toward socialist decline. Watch it:
Update The number of activists who supported clean energy reform vastly outnumbered the deniers. "Organizers of the demonstrators who backed the energy agenda behind the conference said they counted about 275 supporters on hand."
View Most Popular
Advertisement
What We're About
What We're Fighting For
What We're Fighting Against
Featured
Subscribe to the Progress Report
Topic CloudView topics sorted by popularity
Afghanistan
Bachmann
Beck
Boehner
Bush
Business
Cheney
Civil Rights
Congress
Corporate Ethics
Dobbs
Education
Election
Energy
Environment
Ethics
Fox News
Gingrich
Glenn Beck
Global Warming
Guantanamo
Health Care
Immigration
International Relations
Justice
LGBT
Lieberman
Limbaugh
Media
Military
O'Reilly
Obama
Palin
Pelosi
Politics
Race
Radical Right
Religion
Steele
Stimulus
Tea Parties
Technology
Terrorism
Veterans
Women's Rights
Visit Our Affiliated Sites
Reports
In-depth studies on select topics
Got a hot tip?
Have a hot news tip? We'd love to hear from you. Use the form below to send us the latest.
ArchivesBlog Roll
Do these people not realize their time is over?
A couple of years back Pat Robertson even gave in and said Man is causing global warming and no it’s not a good thing.
These people should be happy anyhow sinceclean air means less people in need of government aided medical treatment for lung problems.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:33 pmBTW Obama is an American who had a Kenyan father and he’s a practicing Christian.
I don’t understand why so many people want to claim he’s an Arab or a Muslim or anything else.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:36 pmScience denial is one of the fourteen indicators of fascism. These people need to be arrested and put in re-education camps before they start their coup.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm***
#2,
i’ll let there spiritual leader answer that:
That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
:|
August 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pmcd: “I don’t understand why so many people want to claim he’s an Arab or a Muslim or anything else.”
RACISM!
August 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pmBye, Bye, Birfers! Irrelevant, obsolete, disfunctional and delusional.
Did I mention disfunctional?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThere is more to this than stupidity as some might suppose. Any time you buy into a system and are attached to it without question, there are going to be extensions of that system that eventually are at odds with reality. The sensible thing is to reassess and reformulate, but often people just refuse because they are so heavily invested, and their cognitive dissonance forces them to come to increasingly absurd conclusions.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThey don’t believe in government, science or taxes (but love guns apparently). Hey guys, it’s better in Somalia!
August 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pmcd says:
BTW Obama is an American who had a Kenyan father and he’s a practicing Christian.
I don’t understand why so many people want to claim he’s an Arab or a Muslim or anything else.
Thinking it boil down to A) he is a non-white then from that springs all the other dumb stuff
August 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pm***
“even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
† † †
August 11th, 2009 at 5:43 pmDeniers like to have their family suck carbon monoxide exhaust fumes…global warming, peak oil, or not.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:46 pmWhat did they do, just pack up all the anti-healthcare lemmings from one townhall meeting and truck them over to the energy summit, where they could just recycle the same stooopid on a different topic?
Then again, I doubt this crowd would recycle anything, would they? That would be unAmurkin, after all…
August 11th, 2009 at 5:47 pmi can feel congressional R’s wincing from here…
tough turnips, guys. she’s your cowboy-hat-and-way-too-much-makeup-lady – embrace her. elevate her to Joe-the-not-Plumber status, and let her be your shiny, gaudy beacon – soon you will raise an army of incontinent QVC shoppers and take back a future that was never really the past from those young, vaguely ethnic-looking people who are obviously “up to no good” and are likely to “ruin your lawn”.
TEE – HEE, righties. you are truly the vanguard of Sham-Wow realpolitik!!!!!!
August 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pmApparently those Right Wing Nuts who are screaming about no Global Warming, don’t go outside much….The Climate is changing, case in point…80 inches of rain fell in China, and Japan last week. How bad does it have to get before they figure out the weather is out of control.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pmFor most of these people looking ridiculous is probably a high point in their existence.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pmLet’s not lose sight of the fact that these people were (1) standing outside in Las freaking Vegas (2)during daylight hours (3)in August when the high temp regularly hits 100 degrees (4) denying the existence of global warming. Perhaps their brains are already baked. Perhaps they don’t understand or care that a modest climate shift will render their efforts to obtain enough water to sustain life futile. Perhaps the having a black president is just that scary to them. Whatever the reason, trying to understand these people could be as hazardous to your mental health as mere existence appears to be to theirs.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pmPres Obama is a Kenya-born Muslim Arab, who faked a birth a Hawaiian when he was a child -them Arabs are crafty- but has never attended a mosque.
He did, however, attended the same Christian church in the US for close to 20 years -them Arabs would do anything to take over the world.
Obama is also an atheist, a socialist, and a Nazi, who was palling ’round with “terrists” when working as a US Senator. He traveled to Pakistan in the 80s in open defiance of an US embargo, and is now busy gathering an enemies list -which maybe the reason why so may people are covering up the fact that he was born overseas. Them Arabs are scary.
All the while, he has managed to stay married to the same woman for almost two decades and project an image of a wholesome family -them Arabs would do anything to take over the world.
Whew! Them Arabs are crafty…
August 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm***
before you read this please
view the above youtube clip.
thank you.
*
“Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.”
***
everything old is new again.
:|
August 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm***
before you read this please
view the above youtube clip.
thank you.
*
“Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.”
***
everything old is new again.
:|
August 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pmthey are all just mad because they couldnt get reagan on a twenty dollar bill. That’s the real reason for the protests.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:52 pmJefferson’s said ”the earth belongs in usufruct to the living” …
Which means we have an obligation to deliver it in a better state than we inherited it, to our offspring.
Why do the deniers hate our Founding Fathers?
August 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pmJesus. These aging Baby-Boomers are pathetic. I think they realize that ‘All White America’ is over. Between their angry rhetoric about Immigrants and Obama not a being natural citizen is a desparate claim. These whites better realize in a couple of decades THEY will be the MINORITY, and it scares the crap out of them.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:57 pmRUCerious says:
Why do the deniers hate our Founding Fathers?
Well sadly they are history dumb>>> i seen this start to happen 25 years ago the dumbing down of america started slowly and well they made history a boring subject.
August 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pmI think the Boomers are busy usufructing the hell out of the world before someone else gets the chance.
(Thanks for the new word, RUC)
August 11th, 2009 at 6:00 pmMan, I wish I had the patent and the franchise rights for tin-foil hats.
I could make a freakin’ gabillion dollars off these loonys! They believe most anything (except the facts and truth).
August 11th, 2009 at 6:00 pmWho ever is selling this morons their supplies of canned stupid is making a fortune.
Where can I get a franchise for selling crates of canned stupid?
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
August 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pmPD: “These aging Baby-Boomers are pathetic.”
Actually, that woman and most of the seniors are what they call “tweeners.” Baby-boomers moving into retirement age is actually making the senior demographics more liberal. In fact, a recent Kaiser survey showed over 80% of boomers agreed with having a public option. But, keep in mind that the “boomers” are a huge generation that includes every kind of nut imaginable.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pmI just watched the video.
Holy Jeebus! So much ignorance packed in less than 4mins!
That must be some kind of record.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pmIts not for you to decide what I think, or say, or do big brother, we are your fellow citizens, not plebians under the control of wannabe dictators who need conquering.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pmIt is very sad that the generation that brought us ‘hell no, we won’t go! and Make Love not War! and many other ideas about civil and human rights has slowly slipped into the crowd of ‘I got mine, ta hell with you.’
August 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWow, that’s some dumb-assed cracka trash, right there.
Git r done.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:06 pmNiner@28, You are right. I stand corrected. Actually I’m almost a Baby-Boomer myself. It is that all these people look the same to me. Old, angry, white people.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pmHoodathunktick says:
It is very sad that the generation that brought us ‘hell no, we won’t go! and Make Love not War! and many other ideas about civil and human rights has slowly slipped into the crowd of ‘I got mine, ta hell with you.’
August 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Bingo, Hoodathunk.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pmBoomers actually fit into 2 categories. The first boom runs from mid 1940’s to 1954. This was the WWII boom. It was followed by the 1954-early 60’s, depending on what group of demographers you read.
The 1st Boom were those most likely to have been eligible for duty in Nam. The 2nd Boom sort of caught the tail end. Most of the present cranks seem to be first boomers.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:26 pmWhile growing up in Louisiana they taught us the 48 states and capitals. I wonder if Sarah is aware they didn’t think Alaska was a state until the mid 90’s.
August 11th, 2009 at 6:48 pmOne of the top 5 reasons I moved out of Louisiana, weekendclimber. :)
August 11th, 2009 at 6:55 pmWHEW! I looked at this video and just cracked up laughing at these pathetic people! They refuse to accept reality. Which one of their freedumbs are being taken away??! How many times have we seen Obama’s BC?! The level of stupid is astouding!
August 11th, 2009 at 7:07 pmHe’s not an american because he was never in the armed services ?
Uh, GWB wasn’t either then ?
August 11th, 2009 at 7:10 pmThey wear their bitterness on their faces. It’s amazing what ugliness on the inside can do to the outside.
One thing you can’t hide
is when you’re crippled inside
August 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Most of these teabagging wingnuts appear to be senior citizen, so if they are so worried about socialism force them to cancel their roll on medicare and use that money to pay toward healtcare for the sane. Let these senior zealots get healthcare on their own. Hypocrites.
August 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pmSo, I reckon these wingers must think the US Defense Dept. is
totally bonkers, because the pentagon is preparing for what
they believe CERTAIN catastrophes.
It is a fact the US military is looking ahead to climate change causing some governments to become unstable, and a
threat to US security.
At least the Defense dept. is smart enough to listen to the
August 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pmscientists.
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan said,
August 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pmCan you provide an unbiased link as evidence of this global plan? I was also wondering what you meant by “equal dependence to governments”
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
How many taints can I kick? I’m only one man, for gosh sakes!
August 11th, 2009 at 7:45 pmThese dried up old hacks don’t care about the planet because they’re so old and dried up that they aren’t going to be around long enough for global warming to impact them and they know it.
They’re already one foot in the grave, so what do they care if the planet burns up? They’ve lived their lives and could care less about those who come behind.
Not to mention most of them are too stupid to even know what the hell they’re talking about. Listen to them and that “socialism” crap Glen Beck and Sean Hannity’s been feeding them. There’s absolutely no ties to socialism and dealing with global warming but they make the stretch.
This is the one of the challenges of living in a democracy. We’re always held back by the lowest common denominator.
August 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pmSuppressing dissent is not the same as correcting someone that has already been proven wrong.
I must admit that using arguments about how people who know the truth were punished for it to support dissent over those who deny the truth is clever, but disingenuous. Perfect for a wingnut.
Up is down, black is white. Right out of Rove’s playbook.
August 11th, 2009 at 7:53 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan – the American Middle Class has already been dragged down. it was dragged down, intentionally, by anti-New Deal old money in the form of corporate America, and it was done to create a hyper-privileged class of neo-pharoahs, whose wealth is the primary purpose of all economic activity.
and you’re somehow, amazingly, too stupid to have that happen right in front of your idiot face and see it for what it is.
you’re in fact stupid enough to actually cheerlead the process, and fight tooth and nail against anything that might slow or correct it.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan – are you a climatologist or meteorologist?
are you any type of scientist?
do you know any scientists?
’cause those are the people I listen to about the climate.
(who’s an idiot?)
August 11th, 2009 at 8:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
so you’re not a scientist.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
okey dokey.
thanks, pardner.
catch ya later.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pmvanappan,
It is crazy talk to say that the theory of global climate change is a conspiracy to bring American prosperity down. Nazism is definitely not any type of socialism, that is just a fascist theocrat Republican talking point and utterly ignorant.
I was hoping you weren’t just a wingnut shill. Too bad you proved you are.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pmvanappan,
Have you ever heard of plagerism? Your post #56 is plagerized from this wingnut site.
You can deny global climate change and cloak it in conspiracy theories, but you wingnuts will never regain political power.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:33 pmHey, vanappan—is that a black helicopter hovering over your house? I see a blue helmet.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan, you are a fascist.
August 11th, 2009 at 8:51 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I didn’t say you were Italian. I said you were a fascist. If you want to know what a fascist is, there are fourteen defining characteristics of fascism and you wingnuts exhibit all of them.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan says: where are the defenders of lie that is global warming
Seeing any wooly mammoths running around lately?
August 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pmWe only defend the reality that is climate change.
using global warming is akin to saying someone is pro abortion.
They are made up crap that oozes out of right wingers.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:36 pmvanappan – do you think the scientists who work at NASA are creating some conspiracy about climate change/global warming? Do you think their pictures of the Artic melting are just made up? Do you really think the President and Congressmen have time and resources to waste talking about Cap & Trade if global warming wasn’t real?! If you do – YOU ARE MAD!
August 11th, 2009 at 9:36 pmOnly the ones that work for oil companies.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pmIs America still covered in ice? Are the great lakes still frozen?
Why are there coastal lines in Texas far from todays shore line? If the sea once covered a good portion of texas do you think it can not happen again?
And besides that just how much oil do you think there is and when will it run out?
Renewable energy, man made warming or not, is the next phase. Did we save the Pony Express when cars were invented? No.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pmThe problem with rightwingers is that they just don’t read and research enough – TOO MUCH DAMN TEEVEE!
For you vanappan: note the ice melting around Greenland.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/index.cfm#IceMass
August 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmDo you still use windows 95? Why not?
August 11th, 2009 at 9:44 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The fact is, economically, we cant, I say, afford to let technology pass us by because lobbyists.politicians want to protect their profits thru legislation designed to keep us driving some kind of Flinstone mobiles because businesses have become too big to fail.
Thats inane.
Does Bill Gates lobby congress to get people to by his operating system or does he improve his product?
August 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pmYou know, it would be one thing if this debate were framed in a “boy it’s happening faster than we thought” and a “it’s happening, but it isn’t as fast as you think” argument.
But how do you even debate when one side refuses to acknowledge the problem even exists?
vanappan, can you back anything up without linking to gas and oil shills or wingnut conspiracy sites? Doubt it. ;)
August 11th, 2009 at 10:04 pmvanappan, you just continue to be ignorant and listen only to scientists that return exactly what you want to hear. The rese of us have evolved and learned from the past. We understand that you are not capable. We pity you.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:04 pmYou need to wake up vanappan. You’re blind to the facts.
What happened with Yosemite happened thousands of years ago and no there were no SUVs or coal burning plants. We can’t afford to have too many Yosemite Parks.
Once the ice caps melt down completely – where do you think that water will go? IF the sea level keeps rising it will change life as we know it. The earth may survive but humans may not be able to live on it.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:14 pmMy mistake – Yosemite was formed millions of years ago.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan, now we really pity you.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:36 pmWhere’d you copy that from vanappan?
August 11th, 2009 at 10:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What facts?
August 11th, 2009 at 10:47 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Who needs ‘death panels’ when people like this are trying to kill active brain cells everywhere?
Just when you though Sarah Palin had the market cornered on willful ignorance, this video proves that you CAN make stuff up; these people are Hellbent on being as uninformed as can be.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:02 pmYou don’t have to be a scientist to see the effects of our thoughtless consumption on our environment.
If you live on, or simply observe a fairly pristine parcel of land over any period of time, you can easily see the changes from season to season.
You can also easily associate some of the detrimental changes from the pollutants in the environment, and man’s destruction of the natural fauna.
Every ecosystem is fragile, precious and dependant upon the other, as is clean water, clean air, and all life.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:02 pm’sorry i did not know that quoting my professor, the great Walter E Williams was considered plagiarism.’
It isn’t; but posting that dribble and not referencing where it came from or who said it, but trying to pass it off as YOUR commentary IS plagiarism.
If you consider this reality denier ‘great,’ you’re both delusional.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pm‘I will however at least explain the truth as I understand it. ‘
That’s clearly the problem; you DON’T understand what truth is.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:12 pmOkie Dokie, you are right 100% in my opinion, but do we force our opinion, how do we regulate law and then how do we we enforce them?
August 11th, 2009 at 11:14 pmI don’t even think vanappan knows where or who he is. Maybe someone will find him soon and help him back to his room.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
vanappan @ 90
The purpose of law is the protection of justice for all and quality of life.
What do you think?
August 11th, 2009 at 11:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Oh, now I understand why you are acting so wierd.
Try reality some time.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:30 pmWhy would God need material things? What did he charge Adam or Eve for the garden of Eden? Did he profit from his creation?
August 11th, 2009 at 11:30 pmvanappan says:
Ask yourself why you are so brainwashed the last 8 years were NOT colder than normal. They were among the hottest years on record just cooler than a few years before. Since you dont really know what you are talking about why not do yourself a favor. STFU and stop embarassing yourself
August 12th, 2009 at 12:10 amvanappan says:
You are a MORON. Yes there was an ice age then it warmed. This is different SHUT THE FU%K UP
August 12th, 2009 at 12:11 amvanappan says:
the facts hurt?
<<<<<<<<
Facts you are too stupid to understand. Yes we have periodic ice ages. This is irrelevant to the fact WE are now causing a Global warming. I know you THINK you are making sense. Actually you are making a fool out of yourself
August 12th, 2009 at 12:13 amvanappan says:
Nobody hates you. Take a pill. You are insignificant. We dont think about you at all. Just respond to the stupid in your posts.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:15 amIt should be noted that the “great professor” vanappan plagiarizes on climate change is an economist–not any kind of scientist.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:16 amAnd to vanappan, I have worked as an editor and can definitely say that unless you put quotation marks around the lines you lifted from Prof. Williams and/or at least properly attribute them to him, what you did is plagiarism.
vanappan says:
Get help. Really. NOW.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:16 amNYUK NYUK NYUK !!!!
Seems the Weekly Standard “has your number” folks.
Wonder who spikes your kool-aid here ???
*************************************
Take out all the spaces in urls below
*************************************
h t t p : / / w w w . weeklystandard . com / weblogs / TWSFP / 2009 / 08 / think_progress_msnbc_manufactu . asp
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE POST HERE TITLED
Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’
By Lee Fang posted at
h t t p : / / thinkprogress . org / 2009 / 07 / 31 / recess-harassment-memo/
IS ON THIS WEBSITE!!!!!
h t t p : / / thinkprogress . org / wp-content / uploads / 2009 / 07 / townhallactionmemo . pdf
Seems someone here likes to propogate LIES and you got nailed!!!!!
Congrats Think Progress … you are finally getting your 15 minutes of shame.
LMFAO !!!!!!!!
August 12th, 2009 at 12:18 amThe weekly standard has been wrong so many times on so many issues they are in no way a bastion of truth or numbers.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:38 amIn fact, Rupert Murdoch has sold off Weekly Standard and I already notice that Kristol sightings are dropping.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:39 ammgparrish says:
My GOD you are stupid. You posted that in all the threads and it is BILGE. Only the stupidest people in the Galaxy, like you CLEARLY are, take the WS seriously. Just STFU already you have humiliated yourself enough
August 12th, 2009 at 1:30 amThese wingnuts have laughed their poor little a$$es off.
August 12th, 2009 at 1:49 amThis is what pisses me off about these people. Oh, you only just noticed in the last 8 months that the government is screwing you, violating your rights, and bankrupting the country?
Get pissed at the government, great, but don’t pretend that any of this stuff is some kind of new trend.
August 12th, 2009 at 9:20 amYeah, the big change is the color of the President’ skin. They never noticed the other moron who started an illegal war, bankrupted the Treasury, illegally wiretapped US citizens, or let an attack that killed 3000 Americans occur. Because he was a white skinned Republican.
Are they idiots who happen to be racists or racists who are idiots? Who cares…they’ll never be a part of the solution to fix the things that we need to survive.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:44 pm