Grassley Scaremongers About Government Pulling ‘The Plug On Grandma’
Grassley Scaremongers About Government Pulling ‘The Plug On Grandma’
Yesterday, President Obama told a New Hampshire audience that Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) is “sincerely trying to figure out…a health care bill that works.”
But as The Iowa Independent reports today, during a health care meeting with constituents Grassley spouted the latest conservative conspiracy theory about health care reform — that it will put seniors to death:
Americans should be scared of provisions in a health care bill currently in the U.S. House because it will allow the government to have a say in end-of-life decisions, Republican U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley told a crowd of more than 300 Wednesday morning.
“In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said. “You have every right to fear. You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before. Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma.”
ThinkProgress recorded Grassley’s comments on the ground. Watch it:
In endorsing this latest right-wing conspiracy theory, Grassley seperates himself from other GOP senators. Yesterday Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) told an Anchorage crowd that she was “offended” that fellow conservative Sarah Palin wrote that health care legislation will force citizens to stand before “death panels.” And Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA), who has authored legislation calling for government coverage of voluntary end-of-life counseling, called the conspiracy theory “nuts.”
This isn’t the first time Grassley has scare mongered about health care. Last week he told an Iowan radio host that government-run health insurance programs would force people like Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), who was recently treated for a brain tumor, to die rather than treating them.
Despite all this, Senate Finance Committee Chair Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) has continued to insist that he “couldn’t ask for a better partner” for “meaningful health care reform” than Grassley.
(HT: Washington Independent)
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the citizens of iowa ought to “pull the plug” on grASSley’s career in the senate. just sayin…
August 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pmYour friends are not across the aisle…they are the people who voted for you…stop trying to “make nice.”
August 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pmHand across aisle
August 12th, 2009 at 4:04 pmwoodchippers grind
buy partisan process
I’m tired of this fear-mongering! Just do it already! Pull the plug before any healthcare reform is drafted, let alone debated and voted on.
Better yet, have cameras rolling as someone who has no health insurance passes away from lack of treatment. Or someone who has a treatable illness that, had it been detected and treated early on, would have made a full recovery but didn’t because he/she had no health insurance.
Those are the ads we need to be running.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:05 pmDumbass didnt get the talking points memo
August 12th, 2009 at 4:08 pmEvery time Grassley speaks, an angel dies….
My god, the only plug being pulled is the one keeping the Republican Party alive. All that will be left will be the crazy teabaggers, birthers, and Bobby Jindal
August 12th, 2009 at 4:09 pmIs there a way someone can do some investigating of VA Hospitals and severly wounded veterans, and whether there is a policy of not treating them? Such as if a soldier was ever on life support or had late-stage cancer, and the VA stopped treating them?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI meant to add “so that it can be yet another way to debunk the myth that government will let older people die.”
August 12th, 2009 at 4:10 pmMythology says:
Yes, you can! I would find it impossible to believe that any VA facility would do such a thing without a living will in place or at the request of family if the patient isn’t able to make his/her own decisions, but you go ahead and do your research and report back.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pmAnd Obama believes he needs this clown? Sheesh.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pmMythology says:
In which case I back down from my snarkfest at #10. Apologies.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pmIts painfully obvious Grassley has sold his office to the highest bidder.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:15 pmOff Topic,
I just finished watching the awarding of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. What an amazing experience, seeing all of the recipients of different colors, different walks of life, different countrys etc… recieve their awards.
Such a change from the Bush administration. You only received one if you were a boot licking, ass kissing, brown shirt wearing member/supporter of their illegal administration.
Whew, am I glad we’re done with them. Now, if we only start the investigations.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWhite House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs hit back at Palin today for her death panel remark, saying that the former governor had given out “information that I think many of you all pointed out was wrong.”
– - Ahhh, the velvet stiletto.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWe need to stop calling what Palin, Grassley, and their ilk are saying “wrong” — that implies that they’ve simply made a mistake in what they say. In fact, they know exactly what they’re saying, and they also know that what they’re saying isn’t true but they’re saying it anyway for the purposes of stirring up the scared, mindless, teabagging lemmings who follow them into the frenzies that we’re now witnessing.
That doesn’t make what they’re saying “wrong” — it makes what they’re saying lies. And so, Palin, Grassley, Boner, Bachmann, Beck, O’Lielly, Dobbs, etc. aren’t merely “wrong” on this issue — they’re liars. Once we all start using the correct terminology here, perhaps we can help get this country back on track and out of the gutter that these nutjobs are steering us all into…
August 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWhy are Americans so stupid????
Do you really believe the American Government is going to kill old people???
Do you think Human rights groups are going to allow the government to kill it’s own citizens???
If governmnet medical plans in the industrialized world extend the life expectancy …..why do you think the numbers would be different for the US if we had a single payer system.
This whole argument is stupid!!!!
August 12th, 2009 at 4:17 pmFunny thing, Grassley never complained about his employer, government, pulling the plug on him before now.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:17 pmSenator UpChuck Gr’Assley is up for re-election next year. Any bets Iowa kicks him to the curb?
He now represents all that Iowa is not.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:18 pmSeriously, Republicans do not understand how cameras and recording devices work.
*sigh*
August 12th, 2009 at 4:18 pmAnd yet the Dems continue to work with this clown? He’ll still vote against the final bill, even if the Dems acquiesce to all of his concerns.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWhat I don’t understand is this:
We can all agree that if politicians are good at anything, it’s looking out for their own self-interests. So, I’d like to know what the hell politician would propose, support, and defend a plan that would kill off voters? The very idea is so nonsensical, that it’s the kind of thing that I would have to see proof of before I believed it, and even then there would be no guarantees that I would because it’s so damn outrageous. The entire thing is just ridiculous.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:20 pmLemme get this straight. If the government offers to pay for a senior citizen’s “end of life wishes” consultation with her doctor, that means the government wants to kill her.
That’s like saying that if an employer offers to pay for a retiring employee’s consultation with a financial planner, that means the employer wants to steal all the employee’s money.
Makes about as much sense…
August 12th, 2009 at 4:21 pmOh crap. It’s not ONE stupid thing after another, it’s the same stupid thing after another, with an unterminated recursion. Infinite do loop for those of you who remember BASIC and FORTRAN (heh heh :) )
The only thing I can do is throw rocks at them. Yell shoo.
I really overestimated Grassley. I should’ve known that he’d revert to demogogouery once he was back in his state. His DC demogogouery is only insane, doesn’t have as much stupid thrown in. That’s my impression, anyway.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:21 pmIt doesn’t matter if the lies are refuted, even if the Crazy’s know and understand they were lied to.
What matters is their RAGE has been stoked big time. Soon there will be another BIG LIE to make them MAD. I gather Mr. Savage Weiner is promoting the FISA Death Camps. Even though most people know it is a lie, they’ll believe it BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. They enjoy, are becoming addicted to the POWER they think their rage gives them, and the fear they are inflicting on the rest of citizenry.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:23 pmDear wretched canine, your links always end up shooting you in the foot. Do you really want me to read your link?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pmhey watchpoop,
August 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pmmiss me? now can you explain to me how scaring old people is a viable political strategy?
11. NoMoreBush says: And Obama believes he needs this clown? Sheesh.
concur on Sheesh.
No, Obama doesn’t need him, but Max Baucus, his committee chairman seems to think he does. Baucus ought to set him straight, but right now, Grassley is just playing to his constituents; nobody will know where he’s coming down until the committee votes it’s bill to the floor.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pmMy employer allows me to buy additional life insurance.
That means my boss is out to kill me.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:26 pmI think it’s hilarious and/or rueful that the repugs have to use “senior citizens” to get out there and stand on a corner or street and have them, “yell, lies and deceit” against their own government funded Medicare that Bush and the private industry tried to ruin which they did in part.
Grassley, couldn’t explain his own tax payer funded health insurance to this same group a while back and now Grassley the “Grim Reaper” is “whoring” them. Shame on Grassley!!
August 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmHey, watchdog, I don’t vote you down, man. I mean, you do everything you can to derail threads, make no logical sense, and post ridiculous and largly unsupported (or supported by sources totally lacking in all credibility), and I still don’t vote you down. You don’t have to be an ass.
And if it isn’t you, I’m sorry, but you’re the only dissenter showing his face at the moment.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmSen. Max Baucus (D-MT) has continued to insist that he “couldn’t ask for a better partner” for “meaningful health care reform” than Grassley.
Well, I guess Bauus likes partnering with Snakes.
Well, I guess Bauus likes partnering with Scum.
Well, I guess Bauus likes partnering with Idiots.
Well, I guess Bauus likes partnering with (fill in your own here).
Sen. Max Baucus & Grassley can kiss my a$s.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:30 pm16. Dogfather sez:…
Well said, and an excellent point. That’s what I’ve been getting at when I say that the pack of rightwing arses will bear any kink of false witness. They’re not making a mistake, they’re making a deliberate misstatement, deliberately lying, creating crap out of whole cloth, distorting the truth, etc, all in the service of stirring up fear and playing to the worst side of their constituency.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:30 pmAARP responded that it hasn’t endorsed any specific bill but supports Obama’s “insistence” that Medicare benefits not be cut -WretchDawg
Bwahaha. See, Obama isnt wanting to kill Granny.
Blammo! WretchMutt shoots paw off.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pmIt appears the watchpoopy’s moniker has been hijacked.
Um….not cool?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:32 pm“In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said
LIAR! The provision allows payment to providers of end of life counseling.
Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma
LIAR! The decision to seek that counseling and any plans regarding what plugs to use and which to pull continue to be grandma’s. Grassley is TERRORIZING grandma and that is immoral.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pmCorrection in BOLD below
37. Virtual Pebble says:
16. Dogfather sez:…
Well said, and an excellent point. That’s what I’ve been getting at when I say that the pack of rightwing arses will bear any kind of false witness. They’re not making a mistake, they’re making a deliberate misstatement, deliberately lying, creating crap out of whole cloth, distorting the truth, etc, all in the service of stirring up fear and playing to the worst side of their constituency
August 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pmwell, watchpoop,
since my previous question to you apparently was too complex, how about answering this one:
do you think creating a living will is the same thing as “pulling the plug” on granny?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pmI just hope this latest display by Gr’Assley will convince the President once and for all that there is no bipartisanship and any efforts to that end are a waste of time!
All we end up with is watered down bills that they vote in lockstep against anyway, so fcuk ‘em and do it right!
President Obama, it’s time to rethink that “my way or the highway” from the last administration. After all, you’ve adopted so many of the “bad” they enacted, how about using a bad strategy in order to do some good?
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pm41. They are kind of kinky too (My apologies to Mr. Friedman.)
August 12th, 2009 at 4:34 pmYou can tell by testing the link in their screennames which is the real watchdog and which is the hijacked watchdog.
Original watchdog links to a picture of Obama with the false claim that increasing capital gains tax would effect everyone making over $40,000, new watchdog links to a LOLCat hiding it’s face and saying “I sorree I iz idiot.”
August 12th, 2009 at 4:36 pmI like the concept of a parody of watchdog’s post, but I do not like the direct hijacking of his name. How about using a parody screenname as well, such as “swatchdog” or “watchmutt”?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:36 pmWatchdog- shouldn’t you be eating a couple of double quarter pounder with cheese while straining a chair with your 350 pounds of blubber and keeping watch on those elderly you guard or something?
Hope you have insurance, you are going to be needing it real soon.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:37 pmAAAAARRRGGHH!!!!
Grassley: “You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before.”
(breathe slowly, deeply, let the anger flow away….)
The provision this moron of a Senator is discussing is one that allows MEDICARE to pay a physician to discuss end-of-life issues with a patient. HOW THE HELL IS MEDICARE GOING TO PAY SOMEONE IN THEIR 40′S OR 50′S FOR THIS DISCUSSION WHEN THEY DON’T QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE YET???
I apologize, but I just can’t believe how profoundly dishonest and stupid this line of argument is.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pmUm, I’m confused. Just how many watchdogs are out there?
If it’s another name hijacking, that’s just not cool. If the watchdog we’ve come to expect each morning to feed us it’s daily dose of WhiteWing talking points, I’m afraid the dog’s gone ’round the bend.
Sorry, Old Yeller, it’s time.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pmso fcuk ‘em and do it right
Spencer’s mom, are you starting to lose your cool in this debate? I don’t blame you. I’m tired of inviting the Republicans to the party, and then when they don’t show up, hearing that they are running around claiming that they were excluded. It’s so juvenile, and it’s wearing pretty thin with me.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThe weird thing is that there are so many examples of insurance companies doing this very thing: denying coverage for procedures that would prolong the life of the insured. I think they’re taking their scare tactics from real, daily examples of corporate insurance. Like, ‘Don’t let the government do what insurance companies are already doing so well’. The difference is that the governmet wouldn’t increase profits by doing so.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pmI think we need a guv’mnt plan to pull the plug on gasbag Senators who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about!
August 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pmShould not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma
Can you say Schiavo?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pmGrassley: “You shouldn’t have counseling about that terminal cancer at the end of life, you should have gotten cancer and had the counseling 20 years before.”
Not just lies. Stupid lies.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pmFake watchdog – do the right thing and change your screenname, man. Confusion abounds when you hijack someone’s name.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm39. Zooey says:
It appears the watchpoopy’s moniker has been hijacked. Um…not cool?
Definitely not. How will we ever know which watchpoop is the troll and which is the other troll?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pmXisithrus, where was Gr’Assley on the Shiavo vote? I’m going to go look…
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pmYou shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before.
Listen to me, you disgrace of a human being, my mother just started hospice, but, according to Grassley, we should’ve predicted 20 years ago that she’d be diagnosed with inoperable cancer when she was? Grassley is clearly psychic and knows when and how he’s going to die.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pmSpencer’s mom says:
Xisithrus, where was Gr’Assley on the Shiavo vote? I’m going to go look…
PEACE
I dont know offhand, but I have a feeling he was supportive of government intervention in that rigamaroe.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pmInteresting that Sen. Grassley should be so concerned about “pulling the plug on grandma.” In the 1980s, the C-Streeter was very helpful in “pulling the plug” on thousands of Somalis through his support of “Quranic Marxist” dictator Siad Barre.
From today’s Democracy Now:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet
August 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pmXisithrus
Apparently it’s just fine and dandy when the government steps in to make your medical decisions for you as long as it is to stop abortion, maintain lifesupport, or prevent assisted suicide.
But it’s certainly not okay when it’s to pay for abortions, pull the plug, or let people decide when and how they want to die, or any other instance for that matter.
In other words – it’s okay if it upholds Republican values. Everyone else can just go to hell, though.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:44 pmHmm, interesting. The Schiavo vote was unanimous in the Senate. All three (3) Republicans present voted for it:
Frist = gone
Warner = gone
Martinez = going
That’s some funny right there.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pmMUST BE A TP STAFFER!
I agree that it isn’t cool, watchdog… but I doubt a staffer would have the time, energy or inclination to mock you with a name-jacking… let alone the need.
A staffer could just flush your posts and be done.
But paranoia aside, this ain’t cool.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:45 pmLibraryGuy says:
AAAAARRRGGHH!!!!
Grassley: “You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before.”
(breathe slowly, deeply, let the anger flow away….)
August 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Isn’t that an astonishing statement? It just defies logic. Apparently, if we have failed to have end of life counseling in our 40s, then that means the government wants to murder us? Make about as much sense as Grassley, right?
In addition to your observation that one doesn’t qualify for such Medicare coverage in our 40s, our lives are much different in our 40s than in our 60s, 70s and 80s. Some of us might still be raising children and building our careers, and our health is still very good.
Grassley is just desperate and grasping at anything he can to continue to appeal to the baser elements of the R party.
Unfcukingbelievable.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:46 pmChuck Grassley then:
That surely was one of the political calculations the Republicans made when deciding to get so involved in the Schiavo case, which was first discussed in the halls of Congress late last year. At a time when G.O.P. leaders in Congress have been unable to gain much traction on issues like abortion and gay rights-which are near and dear to Christian conservatives-this was a no-lose opportunity to burnish their credentials with their most demanding and important supporters. Still, many Republicans reject the notion that anything but deep moral conviction motivated the extraordinary legislative measure. “It’s hard to say it’s politics when you get that kind of consensus in a divided U.S. Senate,” says Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa.
Chuck Grassley now:
Iowa Republican Senator Charles Grassley says end of life decisions should be strictly between patients, families and doctor—and that many fear some ideas in these bills can lead to the government influencing that decision making.
“That’s unethical as far as I’m concerned,” said Grassley.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pmHow do only three senators vote for or against anything?
No way three people constitutes a quorum in the Senate.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pmI believe that Chuck is considered a”leading” Republican.What a scary statement to make and yet our friend Max needs his support in the Finance committee. What a surprise the congress approval rating is like that of a mud shark.We need these two to take six months to form a bill with the United Health Care logo on the top of the page.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pmA picture is worth a thousand words. I’m not sure how many dollars Grassley’s words were worth but I doubt that thousands would touch it.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:49 pmWatchPUNK you worthless punkass troll. Stop trying derail the thread the topic is Grassley lying AGAIN.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pmwatchdog says:
Looks like I need change the name! How do people use a name that already exist without administration powers?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
___________
Better yet, just stop posting here. We like this new watchdog much better…
August 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI would think that most repugs would want their eldery family members to die sooner than later. That way they could get their greedy hands on the will. Start looking for loopholes in our tax system when they get their inheritance. Most of all get the key to grandpas gun cabinet before hunting season opens.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:53 pmwatchdog (the real one)
I think that accounts are based on email address, not screenname, but I could be wrong.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pmWell, Smidget, when a politician sells his office to monied special interests they become complete hypocrites because they sell pieces of themselves to many groups.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pmlol what if we all changed our names to “watchdog?” That’d be a hoot!
August 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pm*
#67
signed, sealed and delivered.
:\
August 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pmwatchdog, I’m sorry someone is doing that to you. It’s totally uncool, and you should “report abuse” because it’s against the TOS here.
I want the real you here because I enjoy the rare instance when I get to be the 10th vote down you get.
watchdog says:
Right. And President Obama is personally listening in on your phone calls and reading your e-mails.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pmLooks like I need change the name! How do people use a name that already exist without administration powers?
You dont need admin powers to change your name. Just go to your profile and create an alias [click profile at top left of this page]
August 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pmOK, Chucky. Lemme get this right.
You are not for having my Doctor reimbursed for consultations with me in the unfortunate scenario where my adeno carcinoma comes back in bone or brain. Our discussion of palliative mass reduction or pain control strategy should have happened before I got lung cancer two years ago.
Thanks.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pmpoor watchpoop,
August 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pmhe’s losing his damn mind over this.
***
#72,
you’re a schizo.
:)
August 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pmoops top right, not left.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
poor watchpoop,
he’s losing his damn mind over this.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
______________
You think he had one to begin with?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmYou can change your name in your profile…
August 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmHow’s this?
August 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmSee?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pmThere. That’s better.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI guess Chucky old boy doesn’t understand the whole hospice concept.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:00 pmOr the stages of grief thing.
Or the mindset of an elderly nursing home patient.
In other words, he’s a fool of the first degree.
tony and lido
Spencer’s mom says:
Right. And President Obama is personally listening in on your phone calls and reading your e-mails.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Don’t forget Obama is piloting the black helicopters hovering over his house…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:01 pmwatchdog, I’d be very, very careful opening the closet doors tonight…
BOO!
sorry, couldn’t help myself.
PEACE
August 12th, 2009 at 5:05 pmjoe cantwell got this one right I think.
watchpup is doing all of the above himself. He thinks he’s cute and this way he gets more attention.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:06 pmhey watchdog, you can take my name if your nick keeps getting hi-jacked!!
August 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pmBozo The Neoclown says:
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poor watchpoop,
he’s losing his damn mind over this.
August 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (0) | Report Can you lose something that no longer exists?
tony and lido
August 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
watchdog says:
I feel like a rape victim. Have you ever been name hijacked before?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
________________
I’m sure the millions of rape victims around the world appreciate your comparing their traumatic experience to someone using your screen name on a web site.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pm***
#97,
how not to ask a
girl out on a date.
:|
August 12th, 2009 at 5:12 pmwatchdog says:
Bozo The Neoclown says:
poor watchpoop,
he’s losing his damn mind over this.
I feel like a rape victim. Have you ever been name hijacked before?
way to trivialize rape…but then again, you wingnuts always claim that “yours” is the greatest suffering ever inflicted…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pmSpencer’s Mom, here’s what I found out about the Shiavo vote:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00686:@@@L&summ2=m&
August 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pmjoe cantwell says:
What would Watchpunk know about girls, not made of latex, or dates?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:15 pmwatchdog says:
I feel like a rape victim. Have you ever been name hijacked before?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Now you’re equating a name-jacking with being raped?
You sick f uck. I truly hope you never get raped, but I do hope you get everything you deserve.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:16 pmhere’s a tissue and a quarter…call someone who cares…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI’ve decided that Republicans lawmakers suffer from a disease called “LCD” or Lowest Common Denominator. You can see this in the manner they play to their sad, ignorant constituents – spreading fears about “pulling the plug on grandma” and Obama’s “Enemies List”. I’m amazed how people just eat this up….
August 12th, 2009 at 5:29 pmwatchdog says:
Have you ever been name hijacked before?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Many times. Anyone here can attest to that.
Have you ever been raped before, you f ucking sick f uck?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:30 pmwatchdog says:
Have you ever been name hijacked before?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Have you ever been a decent human being EVER? Do you even remember what it was like before your soul dried up and blew away or departed screaming from you when you tortured your first small animal to death around age six?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pmwatchdog,
get over yourself, even I, and I don’t post often, have had my screen name taken.
It’s not big deal, quit crying.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:34 pmCrotchdog…go tend to your fleas…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pmwatchdog says:
You have never been a victim of name hijacking so how do know how it feels?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
What did I write above, ignoramus? I have been name-jacked many times.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pmwatchdog #112,
Likes to torture small animals. Says so right there, sick fk.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pmMaybe it’s time we create Grassley’s last wishes for him. He’s not capable of doing it himself. Obviously.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:38 pmDipshi* aka watchdog,
Easy for me to day because it’s happened you fool. Now get back on topic or I’m going to start flagging your as*.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pmCensure him. The congress should censure him immediately.
This is why we need to vote out Harry Reid.
Because Reid is WEAK and SPINELESS.
Grassely is fomenting hatred and fear against the President using lies about life and death, and he’s encouraging the sorts of death threats we are seeing across the board now from the GOP radicals.
He needs to be censured, stripped of his chairmanships and committee seats and driven out of the Senate.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pmwatchdog says:
Animals were put on this earth for our amusement you jackass!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I guess in the same way God provides REALLY stupid trolls like YOU to the liberals on this site for OUR amusement you worthless piece of trollshit
August 12th, 2009 at 5:40 pmAll this idiocy from watchdog leads me to believe watchdog hi-jacked his/her/its own name and just replaced the url referral…kinda like another winger who faked an injury…believe she was a bit mental too and a McCain supporter as well…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pmIt would be wrong to hope watchdog gets raped, so he knows what being violated really means, so I won’t.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmwatchdog says:
You havent been violated you MORON you have been annoyed. Get over yourself punk
August 12th, 2009 at 5:45 pmWatch dog you are a sick fck, My sister in law was raped about twenty years ago. I would love to see you joke around about rape in front of her. I would enjoy watching her slap the crap out of you,and teach you a lesson you would never forget. Just like she will never forget being raped. Get lost.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pmI said you could have my name, but noooooo you want to keep whining and whimpering like a pooch locked outside…you fake victim…
August 12th, 2009 at 5:48 pmThis is the same Senator Grassley that used King Arthur and a debt and deficit dragon to try and point out that healthcare reform won’t work.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pmOT
Woman removed from McCaskill Town Hall meeting for chasing after ‘peaceful’ teabagger who ripped up her Rosa Parks poster…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zfawMm-So
August 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pm*
#122,
i’ve had my name hi-jacked.
so have many others here.
but your situation is different.
it only happened once.
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August 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pmAnd watchpooch predictably says WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
August 12th, 2009 at 5:54 pmP.S. Watchy…you haven’t been violated, maybe annexed, but not violated…what do the righties always say? It was only a joke?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pmI can’t bring myself to flag idiotboy aka watchdog. The threads only over 100. But how many posts can you have crying “but (sob) you don’t know how it feels! (sob sob”)?
August 12th, 2009 at 5:58 pmStarting TODAY, any consultation a Medicare patient has with a physician regarding end of life/living will issues should be payable in cash at the time of the consult.
August 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pmanyone else hear this?
caller to randi said he called grassley’s office –
nice lady answers – he’s in [gomer] “character” and asks,
“is it true the senator favors death panels?”
the nice lady says, “yes he does.”
repeat: the nice lady says, “yes he does.” [favors death panels]
the guy then asks if grassley is a “christian”…
nice lady says “yes, he is.”
guy then uses normal normal voice and asks her,
“then why does he lie!!!”
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randi says, always state that your recording the call,
August 12th, 2009 at 6:00 pmin “character”, of course,
and then she can use the tape on the air…
Conservatives love rape. This is why they applauded George Bush for 8 years. George was into torture and so are they!
August 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pmGood call Kayinmaine, bush and his partners in crime raped our country for eight years.
August 12th, 2009 at 6:23 pmThey covered Grassley on CNN just a little while ago and they had a totally different spin on this guy!
Made it sound like he feels people’s pain, he’s doing lots of town hall meetings and CNN sure didn’t say anything about him stoking fear with the whole pulling ‘the plug on grandma’ lie.
August 12th, 2009 at 6:27 pmNot acceptable, watchdog. Not acceptable at all.
You don’t trivialize rape victims like that. It’s just sick.
Voting down is not good enough. I don’t know about everyone else here, but you’re officially on my list. I’ll be reporting as abusive every post you make from here on out.
Discourse is one thing, but attempting to make light of a truely tragic situation that millions of people have to live with for the rest of their lives is just disgusting and sub-human.
August 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pmThey also allowed the raping of young Iraqi girls and women too.
August 12th, 2009 at 6:48 pmIF Republicans get their way on healthcare,
then we will all pay 3 times more than we do now,
and receive half the care we do now.
August 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pmAbsolutly tombaker, So are the wingnuts who are protesting against reform to stupid to realize that? Or is it that they just dont care because its Obama who is trying to get healthcare for everyone?
August 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pmwatchdog says:
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White House: Obama ‘Misspoke’ About Claim of AARP Endorsement
President Obama went too far when he said the seniors lobby had endorsed the legislation pending in Congress, the group’s chief officer said Tuesday.
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Dear Watchdog,
I hope I get the real Watchdog, I hate imposters, it makes me feel so violated.
You have illustrated a point I find refreshing in the present political climate, accountability. The President misspoke and his office takes the time to issue a correction.
I am sure you find this quality admirable in the office of the President.
August 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm“Sniff, choke, sob, someone…has taken my…sob, screen name! Choke, sob, blubber… This is the worst thing that, sob, sniff, ever happened to me. None of you can ever understand!”
Wild applause, screams… The award for best performance by a drama queen goes to… Watchdog! Wild applause.
There. Do you feel better now?
August 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pmIf they have to pull the plug on Charles Grassley, it will be because of terminal stupidity and not old age.
August 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm“* It looked for a while like Sen. Chuck Grassley (R) would seek re-election without a Democratic opponent next year. That’s no longer the case — former state Sen. Tom Feigen (D) will kick off his campaign on Friday. Bob Krause, chairman of the Iowa Democratic Veterans Caucus, has also been eyeing the race, but hasn’t done much since launching an exploratory committee five months ago.”
Grassley needs this wake up call. Whoever the dem challenger will be is who I’m sending money to.
August 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pmSo let me get this right. Not a one of you have read the bill and you are going to say that the Republicans are doing nothing but trying to scare people with lies. That is rich since non of you know if they are lieing or not.
August 12th, 2009 at 11:38 pmYou would rather sit there a listen to your democrats lie to you and drink their kool-aide and believe everything they tell you. and you want me to believe that you are all progressive thinkers. what a oxymoron.
Outlaw284 says:
Let me get THIS straight you are so stupid you think there is A bill instead of several different bills on healthcare reform and mindlessly think we SHOULDNT call Grassley saying the Gove is going to pull the plug on Grandma a lie? The provision he is LYING about says the gov will pay for an end of life decision consultation. If the PATIENT wants one. Grassley is lying. If you are too stupid to understand this then feel free to revel in your ignorance.
August 12th, 2009 at 11:43 pmfor those of you that don’t have the time to read all of the house bill here are the highlights for you.
Oh and non of them are lies they are straight from the bill look it up.
Page 22 of the HC Bill : Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill :The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Page 58 HC Bill : Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill : Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation: illegal aliens.
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill : Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No ! “judicia l review” against Govt Monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill : Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business’s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill : Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
Page 195 HC Bill : Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that!
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill : Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill : Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same!
Page 25! 3 Line 1 0-18: Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.
Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates mor! e bureau cracy – Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?
Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order..
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!
Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.
August 12th, 2009 at 11:47 pmEugeneDebs
August 12th, 2009 at 11:50 pmIt isn’t my fault you are to stuiped to be able to read. The bill states that you are required to go to the end of life consultation at age 55 and then every 5 years after unless you become sick and then every year. Learn to read
Thanks for the giggle…
August 12th, 2009 at 11:50 pmdbadass who are you talking to
August 12th, 2009 at 11:53 pmsilly people…
August 12th, 2009 at 11:59 pmIt’s nice that he makes that speech standing at the foot of the town’s Confederate monument.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:12 amOutlaw284 says:
Hey MORON at least I am not so stupid I misspell stupid. Again there is not ONE bill. There are several different bills you ignoramus. As to the rest of your ignorant post its just the lies the right is telling
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907290047
House bill does not make end-of-life-counseling mandatory
Advance care planning is not mandatory in the House health care bill. The House health care reform bill provides coverage for counseling as a service through Medicare and is not mandatory. Section 1233 of America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 amends the Social Security Act to ensure that advance care planning will be covered if a patient requests it from a qualified care provider [America's Affordable Health Choices Act, Sec. 1233]. According to an analysis of the bill produced by the three relevant House committees, the provision “[p]rovides coverage for consultation between enrollees and practitioners to discuss orders for life-sustaining treatment. Instructs CMS to modify ‘Medicare & You’ handbook to incorporate information on end-of-life planning resources and to incorporate measures on advance care planning into the physician’s quality reporting initiative.” [waysandmeans.house.gov, accessed 7/29/09]
Rep. Blumenauer: “Myth: Patients will be forced to have this consultation once every five years.” Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), who co-authored the provision, released a fact sheet on advance planning consultations in the House health care bill that states: “Myth: Patients will be forced to have this consultation once every five years. Fact: Advance planning consultations are not mandatory; this benefit is completely voluntary. The provision merely provides coverage under Medicare to have a conversation once every five years if — and only if — a patient wants to make his or her wishes known to a doctor. If desired, patients may have consultations more frequently if they are chronically ill or if their health status changes.”
You are an ignorant loser. There are more than one bill but at least the ways and means bill does NOT make it mandatory and the every five year BS is just another lie you have been brainwashed with
August 13th, 2009 at 12:36 amOutlaw gives us the interpretations of the bill according to the rightwing screechmonkey that does his thinking for him. I dont believe a word of it.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:43 amSome more debunking of Outlaws BS
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/11/765224/-Want-To-Debunk-The-Right-Wing-B.S.-On-Health-CareRead-This!
The right-wing conspiracy b.s. is in blockquotes. The debunking is in standard text.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill – YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
The section says you have co-pays and premiums. Just like every other insurance plan. If they have a problem with that, tell them to start advocating for a single-payer plan.
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Oh horror upon horrors, the government run health care system is going to be run by…..the government. Just like Medicare and Medicaid. And upon doing some more research, I found that there’s lots of departments that run government programs. For example, did you know that every branch of the military has its own department, and is consolidated into a larger Department of Defense? Did you know that The Post Office is run by a Postmaster General who decides where your mail goes? There’s even a Department of Justice that regulates law enforcement agencies-they decide what crime gets fought you don’t have a choice! There’s even a Food and Drug administration that tells us which foods are safe to eat! We don’t get to decide!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill – HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise
Apparently the jokers at Liberty U didn’t find this gem at page 143, section 246:
NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Moving on…
Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!
That’s right. If you have the public option for insurance, they will give you a card. JUST LIKE EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer.
If you read the section, you’ll see that this is shown as a voluntary alternative to paper bill payments. Which makes them every bit as dangerous as EVERY BILL I PAY. I honestly can’t remember the last time I wrote a check to pay a bill. Like everyone else under the age of 80 with an internet connection, I pay my bills online.
Besides, if the government really wanted to take all your cash, the IRS already has the authority to do it. You don’t need public health care to do that.
And, as a veteran, the government already has my bank info, since they’ve been giving me direct deposit payments since I joined the military. And the state has that info since I used online payment to renew my vehicle registration. And I use direct deposit to get my income tax refund.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN).
ACORN isn’t mentioned once in the bill (but the line by line website sure brings them up a lot), and unions aren’t mentioned for another 850 pages or so. This section says that if you get retiree health care, the government will make sure you keep it. Nothing about giveaways to “unions and community organizations”. I don’t even know if ACORN has a retiree health care system.
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control.
The program has already been created. It’s the private insurance pool that government employees use to get affordable, private insurance. Now everyone will be able to use it. And yes, the government negotiates to keep prices down and make sure you get a good deal. Anybody have a problem with getting low-cost, high quality, private insurance? Didn’t think so. Moving on.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Once again, the genius minds at Liberty U can’t tell the difference between the public option and the private insurance pool. Businesses are not going to be required to buy the public option (in fact, I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed). But they are going to have to provide insurance for their employees or face an increase in their taxes. This can also be waived.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 126 doesn’t even have 25 lines, and nothing in that page discusses anything described in the block quote.
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.
Page 195 has some stuff on tax records, but that’s it. Nothing on ALL financial and personal records at all.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
That wasn’t the whole sentence. The whole sentence reads:
“The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55.” Yeah, it’s a tax being treated as a different tax than the one described. Liberty U is definetely proving itself to be a bunch of grade A geniuses, that’s for sure!
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
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There’s no talk about cutting funding for Medicaid for anybody in here.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
The section says that a study will be done to determine if people can get the same care for cheaper in a regular hospital that they get at a cancer treatment hospital. A report is being done. Big whoop.
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage.
I didn’t bother reading this section to fact check it. I’ll just say that THE GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY IN YOUR MARRIAGE! IT’S CALLED A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE!
August 13th, 2009 at 12:47 am112. watchdog sez:…
Animals are here for our amusement? Cool. Like what?
August 13th, 2009 at 12:47 amNotice the word for word correlation of Outlaws BS he plagiarized it from the Liberty University and decided we would just LAUGH at him, which he richly deserves, if he sourced it. Outlaw you are a sad joke
August 13th, 2009 at 12:49 amVirtual Pebble says:
112. watchdog sez:…
Animals are here for our amusement? Cool. Like what?
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Lets not encourage WatchPUNKS sexual perversions
August 13th, 2009 at 12:50 am160. EugeneDebs sez:…
Eugene, I’m not interested in encouraging it’s perversions. There’s a fairly high correlation though between abuse of animals in the period before and during adolescense and abuse of domestic partners and children post-adolescense. So, if watchdog is abusing animals, that may be useful to know.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:02 amVirtual Pebble says:
Of course. Eugene go for laugh no get
August 13th, 2009 at 1:21 amEugeneDebs
August 13th, 2009 at 2:07 amwhy don’t you try and find a credible sources that knows what they are talking about rather then someone who gives what he thinks it says. Media Matters has been proven wrong so many times it isn’t even funny and the other source you try to use is someone who has no clue.
OUTLAW, with all due respect, did you read EVERY 500-600 page bill out there?
August 13th, 2009 at 2:10 amEugeneDebs says:
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Notice the word for word correlation of Outlaws BS he plagiarized it from the Liberty University and decided we would just LAUGH at him, which he richly deserves, if he sourced it. Outlaw you are a sad joke
Just to help you out here. I didn’t get this from Liberty University I got it all from the http://www.heritage.org/
August 13th, 2009 at 2:13 amUCSBKitty says:
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OUTLAW, with all due respect, did you read EVERY 500-600 page bill out there?
No as a matter of fact i am about done with all 1018 pages since that is how long the house bill is
August 13th, 2009 at 2:15 amSo, Outlaw, is you actually read the bill, how is it that you’ve managed to get it so pathetically wrong? Is your reading comprehension really that bad?
August 13th, 2009 at 10:19 amOutlaw284 says:
No Outlaw. I know Rush TOLD you to think that but you only show your ignorance by regurgitating it. Media Matters IS a credible source and professional journalists USE it as a source. MMFA backs up their articles with links and sources. You WISH they werent credible because they show what LIARS the screechmonkeys who do your thinking are.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:40 pmOutlaw284 says:
So you got if from HERITAGE and didnt source it for the same reason. I notice they were word for word so I wonder which one cribbed from the other. Still you didnt cite your reference you tried to pass it off as your own. You use Heritage a biased rightwing thinktank then snivel about Media Matters credibility. At any rate the Kos article debunked the idiocy pretty well.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWhy bother to read it when you obviously dont understand it Outlaw? The end of life consultations are NOT mandated every five years and they are NOT mandatory.
August 13th, 2009 at 12:45 pmA telling comment by Tom Coburn R-Oklahoma:
“I offered an amendment in committee to force members of Congress to enroll in the public option. Nine out of eleven Democrats on the health committee who back the public option refused. If the politicians creating the public option don’t have confidence in it, neither should the American people.”
Good enough for constituents. Not good enough for Senators.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThe people who make our laws are above many of them.
171. teabagger sez:…
That’s not very interesting. The old “double dare ya” political stunt. Did Coburn offer to go first?
I’d be inclined to wait for the open enrollment period when it’ll clear whether there is a public option or not. The whole point of the public option is to give a choice, not to force a choice, as Mr. Coburn puts it.
Coburn is just another grandstander. Get serious.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:30 pmVirtual Pebble,
I don’t think you understand. Why on earth would he volunteer for something not as good as what he has?
Why do you consider pointing out the weakness grandstanding?
I will admit that the public option is likely to be relatively better and better as the competition (subsidised by us) weakens the commercial insurers.
August 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pmIt may lead to the failure of companies like BC/BS and then we’d all be in the public option.
Try to be informed and not so wrong. It wouldn’t hurt for you to do your research.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:24 pmTeabagging MORON. They have a LOT of money and alraedy have a very good healthcare system. THAT means NOTHING to the 40+MILLION people without healthcare. You really arent very bright are you. I mean you really fell for that bit of drama queen stupidity? No really you thought it made a point? Man. You should be embarassed
August 15th, 2009 at 8:09 amTeabagger says:
Its not a weakness you are just stupid enough to fall for the false dichotomy. As if either they use the public option or it shows the option is bad. It just isnt as good as what they already have. It is about like offering REALLY cheap cars that work pretty well but have no frills. The fact that people already driving Jaguars and Cadillacs wouldnt want to trade for them doesnt mean it wouldnt be a GODSEND to those working at McDonalds that otherwise would have to do WITHOUT cars. Is this really to complex for you to understand?
August 15th, 2009 at 8:13 am