ThinkFast: August 13, 2009
ThinkFast: August 13, 2009
In “informal conversations” with authors, diplomats, policy experts and past colleagues as he prepares his memoir, former Vice President Dick Cheney has “opened a second front” against his “White House partner of eight years, George W. Bush.” Cheney felt “that Bush had gone soft on him” in the second term, one participant said. “Or rather Bush had hardened against Cheney’s advice.”
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin doubled down yesterday on her discredited claim that proposed health care reform would include “death panels.” Writing on her Facebook page, Palin wrote that “President Obama can try to gloss over the effects of government authorized end-of-life consultations, but the views of one of his top health care advisors are clear enough.” Actually, conservatives are misrepresenting them.
Americans for Stable Quality Care, a coalition of groups including PhRMA, the SEIU, and the American Medical Association, is launching a $12 milllion dollar television ad campaign to support health care legislation before Congress. Meanwhile, PhRMA, the trade group of the pharmaceutical industry, has promised to spend as much as $150 million to support the health care plan.
The Obama administration is “creating 50 benchmarks to measure success in Afghanistan at a time when the United States is struggling to beat back a virulent Taliban presence there,” senior U.S. officials tell CNN. The metrics will be “made up of categories and subcategories that will measure how well objectives were met as opposed to the ‘yes or no’ responses to single issues in the current reports.”
California’s leading marriage equality advocates, Equality California, have decided to wait until 2012 to place a measure on the state ballot legalizing same-sex marriage. Marc Solomon, Equality California’s marriage director, told The Wall Street Journal that waiting until 2012 will allow for a larger youth vote, which tends to be in support of marriage equality.
The release of documents pertaining to Karl Rove’s testimony to the House Judiciary Committee this week reveal a contradiction between Rove and former Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM). Rove maintains that Wilson pushed for the White House to fire New Mexico’s US Attorney David Iglesias before the 2006 election, while Wilson maintains that she did no such thing and only mentioned Iglesias after the election.
Stopping “well short of declaring victory,” the Federal Reserve’s policy-making committee released its “most upbeat assessment in more than a year,” saying that that the downturn appears to have hit bottom and that consumer spending, financial markets and inventory-building by corporations all continued to stabilize.” Cautioning that recovery would be slow, the committee said that “economic activity is leveling out.”
New guidelines issued by the Obama Administration will allow military spouses to get federal job preference. The guidelines, issued by the Office of Personel Management, will give miltary spouses the option to bypass the traditional hiring process when applying for federal jobs.
And finally: The goal of congressional town halls isn’t to make constituents madder. But those who attended a health care town hall meeting with Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) yesterday were shocked when she interrupted a questioner to answer her cell phone. A constituent recorded the event onto video, and the YouTube has over 186,000 hits as of this morning.
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…Jackon-Lee sure isn’t making things easier. But it’s not like she’s in any electoral danger. Or, rather..her seat’s not in danger of flipping to the GOP.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:09 amSarah Palin doubled down yesterday on her discredited claim that proposed health care reform would include “death panels.”
That’s not the worst of it! Bailin’ Failin’ Palin claims that the health care legislation also mandates that only long-sleeved patient gowns may be used in hospitals . . . a clear interference with Americans’ right to bare arms.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:10 amAmericans for Stable Quality Care, a coalition of groups including PhRMA, the SEIU, and the American Medical Association, is launching a $12 milllion dollar television ad campaign to support health care legislation before Congress. Meanwhile, PhRMA, the trade group of the pharmaceutical industry, has promised to spend as much as $150 million to support the health care plan.
WTF?
I’m confused, I guess, but why would big Pharma support health care reform? Is it because they’ve already been guaranteed no price controls will be put in place for drugs?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:13 amtom @ 3, lol.
Reminds me of the fact that medical insurance is a lot like hospital gowns; neither one covers your ass.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:14 amSarah Palin claims to be such a great christian with all her christian followers. Since they anticipate their rewards in “heaven”, I don’t understand their objections to dying.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:17 amWhy doesn’t Cheney just go away–go back to his Wyoming compound and be gone? Every time he speaks he reminds America of the very Bush and very Republican failure to lead.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:19 amFormer Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin doubled down yesterday on her discredited claim that proposed health care reform would include “death panels.”
She also bet $100,000 of state funds on Ash winning the next Pokemon tournament. Palin wrote on her Facebook page, “I thought it was a sure thing, you betcha!”
August 13th, 2009 at 9:19 amAmericans for Stable Quality Care, a coalition of groups including PhRMA, the SEIU, and the American Medical Association
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Strange bedfellows indeed. I can only imagine what their offspring will look like…
August 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am“Strange bedfellows indeed. I can only imagine what their offspring will look like…”
:(
August 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am“I’m confused, I guess, but why would big Pharma support health care reform? Is it because they’ve already been guaranteed no price controls will be put in place for drugs?”
Yes
August 13th, 2009 at 9:20 amSo Cheney is mad that his puppet broke some of its strings?
GFY Cheney, you lying sack of crap
August 13th, 2009 at 9:20 amCats r Flyfishn says:
Sarah Palin claims to be such a great christian with all her christian followers. Since they anticipate their rewards in “heaven”, I don’t understand their objections to dying.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:17 am
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That’s cause you’re not thinking like a C-Streeter. If you’re a member of the cult, you’re one of the chosen people. Death is for the little people.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet
August 13th, 2009 at 9:22 amtoasterhead…
Sarah Palin can’t be a “C Streeter” unless she wants to walk 10 steps behind Todd and serve the men.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:24 amThe best news I heard yesterday is that corporate sponsors continue to cancel ads in Glenn Beck’s show.
How long will Murdoch / Ailes continue support for Becky?
…and where do you go after Fox cuts you loose?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:25 amC Street… it’s amazing how many people say that god talked to them and told them what to do and it is always about how to control other people.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:25 amSarah Palin can’t be a “C Streeter” unless she wants to walk 10 steps behind Todd and service the men.
There, I fixed it for ya.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:26 amThe goal of congressional town halls isn’t to make constituents madder. But those who attended a health care town hall meeting with Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) yesterday were shocked when she interrupted a questioner to answer her cell phone.
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Protip: If someone calls you while you’re in a town hall meeting, say it’s from God. Constituents LOVE that stuff. Just look what it did for Ridy 9iu11ani!
August 13th, 2009 at 9:26 amZimzone – if these corporations are dropping Beck, then maybe we should also be targeting the Rush sponsors.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:26 amThanks, Tom.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:27 amEnnuiDivine says
August 13th, 2009 at 9:09 am
…Jackon-Lee sure isn’t making things easier. But it’s not like she’s in any electoral danger. Or, rather..her seat’s not in danger of flipping to the GOP.
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Her behavior was rude, and a total diss to the meeting attendees. Furthermore, in this age of YouTube, it was stupid. But if that’s the worst thing she ever does, I can forgive her. After all, the important thing is whether or not she supports health care reform.
Now I’m just waiting for the trolls and the wingnuts to claim this is representative of ALL Democrats and that no Republican would ever do such a thing.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:28 amToasterhead – Sure, when god calls, one must answer. Wonder if god will use a cell phone to call the fundies when the rapture comes. Shoot, if they don’t answer, they will be left behind.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:30 amI love our media.
Instead of focusing on the birthers, tea-baggers, and deathers… why not focus on the fact that they’re out and out lying and just report that?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:30 amCheney needs to STFU, go back to Wyoming, and retire gracefully.
The only reason I can see for him to still be out campaigning as he’s been doing is he’s afraid some of the slime he’s been hiding under a rock for so many years is about to ooze out, and he’s trying to do pre-emptive damage control.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:32 amTalking to “god” just makes you gullible.
Getting an answer makes you insane.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amI’m don’t think many Congresscritters are enjoying their August recess.
The dog days of August are going to find someone killed at a Town Hall meeting, while the media salivates over the footage.
Congress should have stayed in session.
As the late Jerry Reed said…
‘We’ve got a long way to go & a short time to get there’.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amraynman says:
I love our media.
Instead of focusing on the birthers, tea-baggers, and deathers… why not focus on the fact that they’re out and out lying and just report that?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:30 am
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Now that’s a ridiculous idea. If they did that, how would they have time for 24-hour coverage of Michael Jackson’s autopsy?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:35 amTom, good one….LOL.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:36 amI would love to see a fellow Senator, from the Floor, ask Grassley if a provision exists in the healthcare reform bill that mandates or even authorizes someone to actively kill grandma. If he says “yes” he should be criminally charged with lying to Congress and impeached.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:36 amRantingTommy says:
Talking to “god” just makes you gullible.
Getting an answer makes you insane.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:35 am
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What about following Him on Twitter?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:36 amlol
I think that just qualifies one as stupid.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:37 ampersonally,
August 13th, 2009 at 9:38 ami think cut n’ run palin should be in the pilot run of the “death panel program.
I think it is just plain rude to answer a cell phone while in a conversation. Turn the dam thing off so that you can LISTEN to the person who is trying to talk to you. Some people just have no commen sense.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:39 amBozo The Neoclown says:
personally,
i think cut n’ run palin should be in the pilot run of the “death panel program.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:38 am
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Ewww no thank you. I don’t want my Soylent Green winking at me.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:39 amBaucus & Grassley have each received over $2.2 million from the health care coporations.
They are members of the ‘Mutual Admiration Club’.
Yes, they are a ‘match made in the Boardroom’.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:40 amBush and Cheney mango de mango? May I suggest a relaxing pheasant hunting trip for starters?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:43 ambaker56, if you are lurking I left a question for you this morning on the ‘death counselor’ thread below. I hope you didn’t just do a drive by post this morning.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:44 am“In “informal conversations” with authors, diplomats, policy experts and past colleagues as he prepares his memoir, former Vice President Dick Cheney has “opened a second front” against his “White House partner of eight years, George W. Bush.”
why is anyone even lsitening to this steaming piece of crap unless it’s under oath with a grand jury?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:48 am…former Vice President Dick Cheney has “opened a second front” against his “White House partner of eight years, George W. Bush.”
Stay classy, Dick, & thanks for showing your true colors.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:48 am-”New guidelines issued by the Obama Administration will allow military spouses to get federal job preference”–
Why?
August 13th, 2009 at 9:50 am#13 – thanks for the link.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:50 amIt’s interesting to watch Cheney ramp up his criticism of Bush at the very time when Rove may be facing indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice. Just whose side does Cheney think Rove is on, and does he really think The Turd will stay quiet rather than roll over on everyone to get a deal?
Cheney has secrets, deep dark secrets, and Rove knows each and every one of them. Leaking is Rove’s specialty, so stay tuned. As the heat is turned up on Rove, we will definitely need some popcorn!
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 9:50 amBriseadh na Faire says:
#13 – thanks for the link.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:50 am
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You’re welcome – it’s a frightening and fascinating interview. The author was on Daily Show last night, too.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:51 am-”The Obama administration is “creating 50 benchmarks to measure success in Afghanistan”–
Do we really need 50? Is it really that much of a lost cause? Ok, then we leave and the sooner the better.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:56 amMoose Boogers who?
She must be too busy skinning moose to have a BLOG, so she resorts to F a c e bo ok to deliver her halfas sed attacks.
Moose Boogers can’t learn the lesson.
As long as you keep interjecting, especially with displays of ignorance, you’ll be criticized by the “unfair, LBRUL media”
;-) You betcha!
August 13th, 2009 at 9:56 am-”Meanwhile, PhRMA, the trade group of the pharmaceutical industry, has promised to spend as much as $150 million to support the health care plan”–
We shouild make the medical/pharmaceutical industry bail out the banking industry and save tax money.
August 13th, 2009 at 9:59 amwatchdog says
busted by a right wing blog just means…..well, nothing.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:16 amThe book title should have been “The Family: The Secret Christian Pharisees at the Heart of American Power”. If even half of what the author reports is true, and what we see in the fruits of this group’s labor suggest it is, then these guys are doing exactly what the Jewish Pharisees did that Jesus condemned.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:16 amwatchdog says:
25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis (6 are Democrats)
Really, watchdog? 76% of the blame falls on your messiah, George W. Bush, and his party? That’s the best right-wing news you could come up with? REALLY?
August 13th, 2009 at 10:16 amMorning watchdog:
August 13th, 2009 at 10:19 amIs it a coincidence that you left out George W. Bush who ranked above Bill Clinton. I assume it was just an oversight on your part and not intentional. Am I correct….
http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/459962-bush-administration-responsible-2008-financial-crisis.html
BUSH ADMINISTRATION responsible for 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS
To me, it looks like the oversight LAWS WERE IN PLACE, and the Federal Reserve Governors, APPOINTED BY BUSH, were not doing the job they were supposed to be doing!
If they were, they would have been acting on this problem years ago when the HOUSING BUBBLE first started.
They should have raised interest rates back in 2004 to slow down the bubble.
If they raised rates, less people would have been able to afford homes, and housing prices would have begun to drop to reasonable levels, to accommodate the lack of buyers (laws of Supply and Demand apply).
And we now have the BIGGEST meltdown of financial system since the GREAT DEPRESSION!
August 13th, 2009 at 10:22 amhttp://www.propeller.com/story/2009/07/30/the-new-gop-anti-health-care-reform-tactic-scare-the-out-of-grandma/
The New GOP Anti Health Care Reform Tactic: Scare the **** Out of Grandma
Swift Boaters, Birthers, and now the Deathers take to the streets like deranged political attack dogs. Their mission: scare senior Americans into believing President Obama’s health care bill will bring assisted suicide watchdogs to their ailing bedsides – where they will be forced to end their lives prematurely. According to the Deathers, Obama’s health care reform includes a secret plan to kill off old people. Hoping to derail health care reform some right wing obstructionists will do just about anything to protect the insurance companies – even scare poor ole grandma with absurd lies. Whatever it takes.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:24 amSo watchdog. Odd coincidence or intentional distortion?
August 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amWell mostly yes. It doesn’t give credibility to your asserstion.
But most especially a right wing blog. No truth comes from them.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:26 amThe watchdog is a typical “red zone” case.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:27 amIt is important to understand that red-zone dogs are usually frustrated, disassociated dogs with a lot of pent up energy.
They are unsure of their status in the pack because they lack a true pack leader or they lack pack structure completely.
The lack of rules, boundaries, and limitations create frustration and unstable energy within the dog.
As a result, the dog feels that it is his role to be pack leader and manifests its excess energy through aggression and dominance or simply posting gibberish. Remember, in order to talk to the mind of the dog you need to remove the energy from the body in the form of a constructive activity such as critical thing and meaningful, intelligent debate. This allows you to be the dominant animal. Calm, assertive leadership means watchdog doesn’t need to fill that unnatural role and can return to a balanced submissive role.
Is it not very telling that you intentionally left off George W. Bush? Come on little feller be honest…
August 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amName hijacker of watchforturds, NOT FUNNY and NOT COOL.
The deranged mutt’s moniker should remain solely the property of said troll.
As for Jackson-Lee (D-TX), answering the cell phone in the middle of the meeting is improper etiquette. She should have had it off because her constituents are more important than just about any phone call she could receive.
And no, noun-verb 9/11 Rudy Guiliani shouldn’t have answered his either way back when.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:28 amchattahbox.com/us/2009/08/07/violent-right-wing-town-hall-mob-linked-with-group-promoted-by-glenn-beck/
Violent Right-Wing Town Hall Mob: Linked With Group Promoted by Glenn Beck
An angry mob of near-rioting right-wing protesters overwhelmed a Tampa, Florida Democratic town hall Thursday night organized to discuss health reform, requiring dozens of police officers to control the unruly crowd. Many of the protesters were members of a right-wing Conservative activist group, called Tampa 912 that’s promoted by Conservative Fox News host Glenn Beck.
Other members of the right-wing mob were encouraged to protest the town hall by an email blast sent out by the Hillsborough Republican party, which provided the right-wing protesters with “talking points” to challenge health reform supporters. The result was over one thousand angry protesters showing up ready for a fight and armed with racist signs of President Obama, for a town hall event in a room that would only hold about 250 people.
The angry protesters who made it inside, shouted down Rep. Castor as she tried to answer their questions shouting, “Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!,” according to the St. Petersburg Times.
Just goes to prove that anti-health-care protestors are anti-free-speech! If they supported free-speech, and the Constitution, then they’d allow ALL sides to speak, and not just try to drown-out any voices other than their own.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:28 ammediamatters.org/research/200908040053
Right-wing birthers now pushing town hall disruptions
Conservative media figures who have promoted conspiracy theories about President Obama’s birth certificate have recently used their platforms to promote the anti-health care reform disruptions of congressional town hall events. Indeed, the disruptions resemble similar efforts by birthers to disrupt town halls.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:29 amHey folks, name hijacking is not cool. Yes, it’s getting under watchdog’s skin (fur?) and the picture in the name link of the faker is funny, but it’s still not cool.
Plus, it’s too early for me to try to figure out which posts to vote down! Can a gal catch a break here?
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 10:29 am53. Dogturd
Why do you subject yourself to the same humiliation everyday?
In the morning, of all things.
Have a nice day as you lay alone drying off all by yourself.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:30 amvinylspear, our watchDog Whisperer! Classic.
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 10:33 amJ. Klein, president of CNN has decreed “no more radio hosts” guesting on his network.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:33 amHow does he pretend to square that with regulars on CNN – two that come to mind are Bennett and of course, Dobbs, who has his own show.
Does this mean that the rumors that Dobbs is courting Fox are true?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html
Who Caused the Economic Crisis?
The Real Deal
So who is to blame? There’s plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn’t fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn’t do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of “layered irresponsibility … with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role.” Here’s a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:36 amAnd #1 on the list: Phil “Nation of Whiners” Gramm (R).
August 13th, 2009 at 10:36 amAgain I would like to tell the watchdog imposter that I do not approve of his name jacking. I like the parody but a parody screen name should be part of the tactic. There are many clever and even insulting options regarding the name. How about “watchdawg”, “brokenclockdog” (you know, right twice per day), “baddog”, or “moochpooch”?
By name jacking, you hurt the progressive reputation as fair and civil.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amwatchdog
August 13th, 2009 at 10:37 amAre you avoiding me?
#76 – watchdog says:
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“VIDEO: Dem House Member Takes Call During Middle Of Health Care Townhall Question”
August 13th, 2009 at 10:35 am
That’s almost as bad, but not quite as intentionally rude, as the right-whiners who simply disrupt the town hall meetings with screams and yelling and refuse to allow anyone else to practice free-speech. It’s the right-whining protestors who are anti-free speech.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:38 amOn the ridiculous death panel nonsense. Matt Tiabi has a great piece on Gingrinch and his ever-changing opinion on end of life care – it’s especially pertinent after his mtp appearance where he agreed with palin on the death panel nonsense. It’s a read worth the time…
Newt Gingrich Changes What’s Left of his Mind on End-of-life Care
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/08/12/newt-gingrich-changes-whats-left-of-his-mind-on-end-of-life-care/
August 13th, 2009 at 10:40 amwatchdog says:
This is dog#1, apparently. I wonder if the troll got so agitated when Guiliani took a call from his wife during a presser. No? Oh, that’s right, Rudy’s a GOPer.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:41 amwatchdog:
August 13th, 2009 at 10:43 amYou are being eaten up again. Come on man stand up and defend yourself…
Is it possible that George Bush somehow, someway, learned the difference between right and wrong somewhere in his life? Near the end of his Presidency, George must have realized that what Cheney was telling him to do was wrong. Is there a glimmer of hope that George Bush’s immortal soul could yet be saved?
Mr. Bush, I have publicly called for your prosecution and conviction for war crimes. I have publicly stated that you should be hung for treason although I would prefer to have you publicly crucified on the White House front lawn, and to have that sentence be carried live, worldwide.
Despite that, there is hope for you Mr. Bush. If you turn states evidence on Dick Cheney, I think your sentence would be commuted to life in prison at hard labor. I also think that if you come clean, you will save your soul from eternal damnation.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:43 am#84 – dbadass says:
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You are being eaten up again. Come on man stand up and defend yourself…”
August 13th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Well, he completely ignored me when I asked him to support the failed trickle-down-economics theory of Fmr. Pres. Reagan after he claimed I somehow supported Marxism. Seems to me that watchdog has no staying power.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:45 amSarah Palin and her death panels. What a classic representative of the Repignofascist Party. I wish just once someone would start pointing out that we already have death panels. They are the insurance companies who determine who gets a treatment and who doesn’t. Something that won’t exist any longer once health care reform is passed.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:46 amLevi the Dungbeetle says:
Is it possible that George Bush somehow, someway, learned the difference between right and wrong somewhere in his life? Near the end of his Presidency, George must have realized that what Cheney was telling him to do was wrong. Is there a glimmer of hope that George Bush’s immortal soul could yet be saved?
By the second term, GWB was bored and Darth kept bugging him to DO SOMETHING besides curl up with a “alcohol-free” beer and play video games. “Pss off, Dick! I’m busy!”
August 13th, 2009 at 10:46 amWho encouraged everyone to “go shopping and take a trip to Disney World!” after 9/11? Who spoke endlessly about making America into an “ownership society”?
That would be Bush, and personal debt soared under him while the savings rate crashed because interest rates on savings were under 1%. Lenders couldn’t get money into consumer’s hands fast enough, every day the mail would deliver new credit card approvals and 125% refinance offers.
Don’t try to lay the blame at Clinton’s or people like Barney Frank’s feet. Endless deregulation and failure of oversight led to the financial collapse, and most of that is directly tied to the cornerstone of Republicanism.
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 10:49 am11 Zaid said,
August 13th, 2009 at 10:49 amIncorrect. If every American is covered by health insurance, they increase their market share by millions of new customers. They just want to make a buck, and who can blame them for wanting to get medicine to those that need it but can’t afford it under the status quo.
Whats up baby?
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August 13th, 2009 at 10:51 amSo why did you intentionally leave out George W. Bush? Oh and why are you calling me baby? Just tell the truth your agenda requires you to be intentionally deceitful. It will earn you respect if you just cut the bullshit and fess up…
Levi the Dungbeetle says:
Honestly, Levi, who gives a shit? Not the hundreds of thousands Bush sent to their deaths. From Texas Death Row to Iraqi civilians to American and Coalition forces to Afghani civilians to tortured and killed detainees, the list goes on.
The man has blood on his hands and no doubt booze in his gut these days. If there is a Hell, there’s a seat for W right next to Satan.
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 10:53 amdbadass says:
Is it a coincidence that you left out George W. Bush who ranked above Bill Clinton. I assume it was just an oversight on your part and not intentional. Am I correct….
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Or that he reshuffled the list whe nposting his Top Ten.
Phil Gramm – yes, THAT Phil Gramm – was No 1 on Time’s list.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:54 amSpencer’s mom says:
Who spoke endlessly about making America into an “ownership society”?
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Oh, Bush turned America into an ‘ownership society’ alrighty…
The People’s Republic of China now owns our ass…
August 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am46 Peashooter said,
August 13th, 2009 at 10:57 amBrilliant! Third good laugh I had in this thread.
I have a crush on you. I’m shy.
August 13th, 2009 at 10:59 am– Get in line…. In the meantime just answer the damn question. Why did you intentionally leave out George W. Bush?
dbadass says:
I have a crush on you. I’m shy.
– Get in line…. In the meantime just answer the damn question. Why did you intentionally leave out George W. Bush
Which dog are you arguing with?
August 13th, 2009 at 11:03 amAccording to this site and the white house Bush is the only individual responsible for the financial crises. So i was shedding some light on the other also responsible.
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August 13th, 2009 at 11:06 amCan you support this in any meaningful way? I understand you are treading water in hopes of me not drowning you but you really out to just call out to the lifeguard…
one of your honest progressives
August 13th, 2009 at 11:08 am—
Another mistake. I control no one but myself…
According to this site and the white house Bush is the only individual responsible for the financial crises. So i was shedding some light on the other also responsible
August 13th, 2009 at 11:11 am—
It still makes no sense as you could have selected the first name on the list if you only wished to indicate that Bush is not solely responsible but you elected not to do that. I wonder why. Wouldn’t your “argument” that Bush wasn’t solely to blame be stronger if you cited the individual the source you selected identify as most culpible….
Mr. Rove, Mr. Cheney, you have a right to remain silent. If you watched any news other than Fox you’d STFU.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:14 amjuggernot said,
I assume you have evidence to back up this allegation? It could just as easily, and quite probably, have been yet another “false flag” attack Republicans are so proud of.
None of us know who it is (unless the site is tracking IPs), so I have to assume you either a TP admin or a troll. I voted for troll.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:16 amwatchdog is calling other dishonest. Hilarious.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:16 amwatchdog turned juggernot
August 13th, 2009 at 11:20 amYou are struggling. I fail to see where your 104 link supports the claim you made and 107 seems to have nothing to do with the illogic displayed by the names you elected to select if in fact your goal was to show that Bush was not solely responsible. Again all I have asked you to do was to be honest in explaining why you choose the names you did. Your continued deceiption and avoidance of the issue makes you look weak and outleagued…
No, it’s because they’re guaranteed no new entrants into the market, securing for them permanent dominance. I suspect they see government control as inevitable, but will accept permanent market power as a consolation.
Obama seems content with making cozy deals with the largest corporate entities. In this, the Obama administration closely matches the fascist regimes of mid-20th-century Europe.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:25 amby the way, WTF is a “juggernot”? it’s j-u-g-g-e-r-n-a-u-g-h-t you ignorant twit. perhaps watchdope would be a more accurate name for you?
August 13th, 2009 at 11:26 amRighties always wreck the economy.
That way their uber-rich patrons can buy up whatever they want on the cheap.
And make everyone work more in exchange for less, because “times are hard, and companies are struggling”.
Then, when things turn around, they can sell for huge profit, and contribute part of the proceeds to get more Righties elected.
If it weren’t for the malicious interference of uber-rich righties, America would literally be the best Country on earth, and not just the most dysfunctional.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:31 amWouldn’t that be something if The Dick truly did “open a second front” against Shrub and thus succeeded in making him a sympathetic figure?
August 13th, 2009 at 11:32 amCheney is bus-rolling Bush as part of his alibi/defense, because he anticipates prosecution for his crimes as veep.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:32 amLiberals like to paint a picture that democrats are completely innocent regarding this whole financial crises.
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August 13th, 2009 at 11:33 amSo are you acknowledging that you are having to change gears because that original bullshit about just showing that Bush was not solely responsible was indeed bullshit and that if you hadn’t had that clear bullshit rubbed in your face that we wouldn’t be now having this conversation. Face it. You seem to struggle with the concept of consistancy of thought…
Sarah Palin’s over all legacy will be coining the phrase “Death Panels”.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:37 amWell, yeah, I liked it, too!
The man most to blame for the financial crisis, public enemy #1, is a leading shaper of Repblican economic policy and John McCain’s senior economic advisor in the last election. Another nail in the coffin of the GOP.
Thanks, truly, for calling this TIME piece to my attention. I’ll be sure to spread the word about it in 2010 and 2012.
August 13th, 2009 at 11:55 amSorry watchdog:
August 13th, 2009 at 12:06 pmMaybe you’d better just try to think a few moves ahead next time…
Maybe juggernut would be a better new name, watchdog.
PEACE
August 13th, 2009 at 12:12 pmjuggernot says:
Liberals like to paint a picture that democrats are completely innocent regarding this whole financial crises.
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Whoa… what sweeping, broad-reaching, and truly silly generalization.
Apparently you really DON’T read other posters comments here, do you?
August 13th, 2009 at 12:13 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Wouldn’t that be something if The Dick truly did “open a second front” against Shrub and thus succeeded in making him a sympathetic figure?
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Ya know, ralphie… I already had one of those moments this morning. When I first read that Cheney bit, I unexpectedly felt myself feeling sympathetic towards Bush for a few seconds. Fortunately, the moment quickly passed.
What a horrible moral dilemma… to feel ANY sympathy for Bush, even if it is because Cheney now dislikes him .
August 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pmjuggernot says:
According to this site and the white house Bush is the only individual responsible for the financial crises.
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Well… that certainly is a complete lie.
You really do live in a self-deluded state of mind, don’t you?
August 13th, 2009 at 12:19 pmjuggernot says:
Obama: ‘Don’t Want the Folks Who Created the Mess to Do a Lot of Talking’
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Breitbart? You are kidding, right? And you can’t figure out why people laugh at you when you come here…
August 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm-
Wow, Obush’s Obama Administration has it backwards:
Military spouses should NOT get preference in Fed.Govt. hiring — that’s the bias driving us into present-day corrupted rotten American government since post-WW.II ‘military-industrial complex’-ification, where ‘complex‘ means a demented psychology caused by a short-circuited brain wiring, (like a ‘reflex‘), that cuts out considered reasoning and rational cognitive thought.
Military spouses should be DISFAVORED for more Fed.Govt. employment since one family member is already on the taxpayers’ dole to public-employment and so suffering the psycho ‘complex’ of being neutered of his or her individuality, personality, undictated-leisure privacy, and self-dignifying hopes, dreams, and ambition. Neutered of personal integrity IS the psychological ‘complex,’ the ‘matrix-trapped syndrome.’ Hollow-human hate-possessed pod people. One per family is enough, should be the limit, and even those too-many burden family and community to provide intervention deprogramming toward remedy of the infected Fear mindmeme.
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Multitasked point — regarding Rove’s emails, his own recorded words involved in the US Atty Inglesias subversion. Whereas in sworn testimony Rove categorically denied any involvement in all US Atty removals.
Rove perjured himself under oath. Rove indicted by Rove’s own words.
This is no longer a she-said/he-said Wilson vs. Rove case. It now is a case of US Justice vs. Rove.
Bring CHARGES, Mr. Holder by your sworn oath.
Or be corrupted.
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August 13th, 2009 at 12:58 pmI have a friend who takes a brand name drug because she cannot tolerate the generic version.
Her insurance company told her either take the generic or pay $478/month for the brand name. Her doctor tried to intercede and explain her intolerance for the generic – the insurance company told him to find her a differrent drug.
So tell me again, who is between the patient and the doctor?
August 13th, 2009 at 1:06 pmJugsofsnot
I see WatchPUNK has a new name but brings the same old stupid.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:17 pmIt’s “Juggernaut”…idiot can’t even get his handle correct.
August 13th, 2009 at 1:31 pmShe also bet $100,000 of state funds on Ash winning the next Pokemon tournament. Palin wrote on her Facebook page, “I thought it was a sure thing, you betcha!”
August 13th, 2009 at 1:39 pmJuggernot 2 was a large yellow box wedge shaped robot that entered Series 5 of Robot Wars. It looked rather unstable and was easily flipped in its only battle against Bulldog Breed …
robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juggernot_2 · Cached page
August 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
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August 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm