EDITOR’S NOTE: Over the coming month, ThinkProgress will be traveling to town hall events across the country to report on what we’re seeing on the ground. This is our fourth eyewitness report.
On Wednesday, during Sen. Chuck Grassley’s (R-IA) town hall in Winterset, Iowa, an attendee proudly noted that the Senator brought his personal copy of Glenn Beck’s book “Common Sense.” Grassley responded stating that he has read the book and that he intended to “pass it on”:
TOWN HALL ATTENDEE: I noticed that you have the book “Common Sense” with you today, I hope you share it with a lot more of those 535 people.
GRASSLEY: Well the reason I brought it is you’re supposed to pass it on to other people when you’re not reading it.
At the end of the town hall, Grassley gave an autographed copy of “Common Sense” to ThinkProgress and said “it’s something you gotta read a couple times.” Watch the video:
oh the irony…
August 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pmGlen Beck is trying to co-opt the ron paul movement, they should be handing out ron paul books, not a fake conservative warmongering closet fascist like glen beck.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Since when did ignorance become a point of view?
August 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pmGRASSLEY: Well the reason I brought it is you’re supposed to pass it on to other people when you’re not reading it.
– - Tweet it, Chuckie. Where he gives you the twooth, the whole twooth and nothing but the twooth.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmit’s something you gotta read a couple times.”
While naked, smoking meth in a cornfield, under a full moon. Then it makes perfect sense.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmWell that explains alot. Iowa voters: PULL THE PLUG ON GRANDPA GRASSLEY — 2010
August 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI don’t know why Obama insists in bipartisanship. Just move forward without the republicans at this point. They will never pass up a chance to put a knife in his back.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pm“Common Sense” from a total moron. Oh sure “pass it on”
August 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pmI’ve always claimed that Grassley is useless to our democracy.
Now…if you want to suck a bunch of corporate ass then this guy is your RePugniScum leader.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pmTP should have given Sen. Assley a copy of one of Al Franken’s or Michael Moore’s books — after all, it’s not civilized to receive a gift and not give one in return…
August 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pmOMG! Mr. Beck is the intellectual underpinnings of the Republican elite? Grassley takes Beck more seriously than Beck takes himself.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm***
i hope chuck bring glenn with
him when he campaigns
for re-election.
*
pass it on.
:)
August 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pmSo, TP, now that you’ve got a copy of this doorstop, why not give us a few samples, for a good end-of-week chuckle?
August 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI wonder if he had to read it a couple of times because there weren’t enough pictures.
Yes, America, there is a political party that believes what a self proclaimed clown says makes sense.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmFrom what I’ve heard, Glenn Bleeech!’s book is so good that, once you put it down, you can’t pick it up again.
That is, unless you run out of toilet paper in which case it is good enough to pick up once again and use for its intended purpose.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmYou know, Grassley may just not be that smart. “Common Sense,” by Founder Thomas Paine, expresses many of the same sentiments as Paine’s “The Rights of Man.” Paine was well-known as an atheist and he held the belief that health care was a basic human right.
Paine was the most liberal of all our Founders… and Grassley is handing out one of his most famous books. Great job, Chuck. Keep up the great work!
August 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pmOh, “Common Sense” by Glenn Beck. I didn’t know Glen had ripped that one off of one of the Founders of our Country. Oh well, that’s a modern conservative for you. Lots of respect for the Founders. They’re true “patriots” you know.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmSeeing as how nearly all Gleckians are completely full of shit, that’ll come in handy when the tp runs out.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmSorry to go OT, but is looks like Dick Armey just got the heave-ho from DLA Piper (from Raw Story):
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) is resigning from DLA Piper law firm amid a wave of negative attention his grassroots organization, Freedom Works, has drawn for helping to organize protesters at health care town hall meetings with members of Congress.
In an interview with POLITCO Armey said that he was concerned about the media scrutiny the health care protests were drawing to the firm he has been associated with since retiring from Congress.
Poor guy. I really feel sorry for him. Heh.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pmWas it really an attendee or was she a crowd plant for Glenn jonestown beck to market the book? Grassley obviously didn’t read it.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm***
bring = brings
..
ot, this is great.
the british hit back (hard)
at u.s. right wing lies about n.h.s.
:)
h/t tpm, no wonder time listed
you as the #1 top blog!
:)
August 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pmUmm, wasn’t it obvious that Grassley had not read the book at all, especially with his refusal to answer the question and his diversion about books on tape?
August 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pmBut why did Grassley vote for the Palin ‘Death Panels’ back in 2003? He really has lost it.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pmLOL! Beck is as popular as the clap! He has lost a dozen sponsers and guess what? ‘Travelosity’ just dumped him too! Grassley better be careful, because I see the tide changing. Already MSM (CNN, MSNBC. Not Faux News) Has already debunked the ‘Death Panels’. There have been dozens of Town Halls and only several got really out of hand.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pmModerate Republican: new oxymoron created this very day. Republican hyprocrite: old concept, widespread among the right.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmDick Armey will be on Meet the Press with Rachel Maddow this coming Sunday.
Ms. Maddow has done her Homework…outing Armey for his position at Piper.
Er…make that… Former Position at Piper.
Fooled Yet???
August 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmP.D. says: @#25
LOL! Beck is as popular as the clap!
**!!Applause Ringing in ears!!**
August 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pmI, for one, can’t wait for Rachel’s appearance on ‘Meet The Press’. She has proven she is way too smart to be pushed around by the Repugs. Her performance with Buchanan (on her show and on her stint as a consultant during the election) proves she has much mettle to go toe to toe with these hypocrits.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmPretty soon Benn Gleck will run out of sponsors and be forced to hawk his own private label stupid pills.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmCommon sense = being so bat$hit crazy that Fox sponsors specifically pull their ads from your show.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pmi’m sure one needs to read it MANY times to make any sense of it…
.
hey, a while ago i heard some audio, on randi rhodes, of a “panel discussion” on hannity, included frank luntz (i think)…
wow.
one guy said the mobs were getting the wrong information from fox…
another (or same?) said all the nazi/socialist/etc words are the new code for the n-word…
oh! it was great!
August 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pm#20 Interesting — While watching Rachel last night (and her piece on DLA Piper), I said to myself, “self, how can a law firm possibly want this kind of publicity.”
August 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pmGotta go now, my death panel is convening, I wouldn’t want to be late…
August 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmHow many hosts have ever had about a dozen advertisers pull ads from their shows? I mean, that is news and MSM is barely mentionins it. And I love which advertisers pulled their ads. Most of them cater to YOUNG people! Maybe they know something we don’t?
August 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmTOWN HALL ATTENDEE: I noticed that you have the book “Common Sense” with you today, I hope you share it with a lot more of those 535 people.
– - I was at a book store several weeks ago and my wife and I were smirking about Beck’s book. I said, ” ‘Common Sense’, yeah, that Glenn Beck is a real Thomas Paine.” A very senior couple heard me and the man laughed loudly and told me what an ass he though Beck was. Heh.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmIn it’s own way, the most disappointing item of the whole week just may be the fact that a U.S. Senator is busy “passing on” the insane ravings of Becky.
August 14th, 2009 at 5:58 pm#35 — NY Times had a story on it this morning in the Business Section — that’s pretty significant IMHO.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pmHoly cow. Even Grassley is brainwashed by Glenn Beck from listening to Beck’s show too much, hence, the “passing the book on” which is what Beck is always telling his listeners to do!
*cringe*
Watching Beck brainwash his cult members right before our eyes is so creepy! No wonder they all have dead eyes like the 9/11 terrorists did.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmOh, riiiiiight….this scum bag brings the writings of a complete traitor and lunatic and tries to get others to read Beck’s insane drivel.
This Gassleybag needs to be booted from any position or committee that he sit on.
Fcuk Glenn Beck, fcuk Gassleybag
August 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmPD – you just made my evening! Travelocity too?! YES! I hope Beck loses all of his advertisers.
Gassy Grassly must’ve brought Beck’s book as a prop to curry favor with those who are fans of Beck.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pmGrassely is a card-carrying member of “The Family”.
He is chosen.
“At the heart of the Family’s spiritual advice for its proxies in Congress is the conviction that the market’s invisible hand represents the guidance of God, and that God wants his “new chosen” to look out for one another”
The “new chosen”–I don’t think that’s us regular folks.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pmAnyone associated with one that publicly states: I could kill Michael Moore such as Beck is a freak. So freakish I would rather Obama discontinue his respectful bipartisanship, politeness towards Grassass and the others raping the public for campaign contributions.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:13 pmI get it. assly is doing a fiction book tour for becky.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI heard today that the Secret Service have thwarted THREE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS against Obama. Gee, I wonder if these morons who want the president dead listen to Glenn Beck? Hey, if Grassley is listening then you know they are! Spit.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmhormiga@41, Agreed. I hope he loses every advertiser possible. But then again, Good ole Glenn will always have the Big Pharma and the Boner commercials because mostly old geezers and social misfits tune into his show.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmPass it on…just like body lice.
Isn’t there some crime in passing along the teachings of a domestic terrorist?
August 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmI wonder if Chuck is capable of making sound end of life decisions anymore.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pmblue53 says:
Grassely is a card-carrying member of “The Family”.
He is chosen.
“At the heart of the Family’s spiritual advice for its proxies in Congress is the conviction that the market’s invisible hand represents the guidance of God, and that God wants his “new chosen” to look out for one another”
The “new chosen”–I don’t think that’s us regular folks.
I would hoped I was chosen if my actions and words were vile, disturbing and deadly and mere mortals (18%ers) stilled loved me.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pmgood story -
Specter in Pittsburgh: ‘I put my neck on the line’
By Thomas Fitzgerald
Inquirer Staff Writer
PITTSBURGH – Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter (D., Pa.) told a wary audience today at the Netroots Nation convention of liberal bloggers and activists that he is the only Democrat vigorously defending President Obama’s plans to overhaul the health care system before hostile crowds.
He spoke just before his primary challenger, Rep. Joe Sestak, took the stage to make his pitch and answer questions in a back-to-back bid for the influential ears of several hundred bloggers attending from around the nation.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pm[...]
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/53233502.html?cmpid=15585797
P.D. says:
I, for one, can’t wait for Rachel’s appearance on ‘Meet The Press’. She has proven she is way too smart to be pushed around by the Repugs. Her performance with Buchanan (on her show and on her stint as a consultant during the election) proves she has much mettle to go toe to toe with these hypocrits.
Let’s hope so, because she did poorly on Real Time. It seemed she was scared.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pmkaty@50, Arlen has been fighting a good fight. But I will NEVER forgive him for his treatment of Anita Hill. I can’t wait until I can vote for Sestack in 2010.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmblue53: “Grassely is a card-carrying member of “The Family”.
He is chosen.”
I was raised in a strict Christian setting, I’ve read the Bible more than once, and what I can tell you is that on their own terms “The Family” are heretics. Anyone who subscribes to their interpretation of scripture is, by definition, a heretic.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmwhat a phony … who elects these nitwits?
August 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmGrassley is the poster boy for having mandatory retirement ages apply to Congress.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pmTom Paine and Glenn Beck
Oh the humanity
August 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmGrassley would endorse something as repulsive as cannibalism if his supporters or member of his constituency practiced it.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmThe man is clearly unprincipled in the extreme.
He’ll burn in the 9th Ring of the Inferno.
WTF??? Conrad bails on Public Option! With Democrats like these we don’t need Republicans!
August 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmTP must be busy working on this story…? heh…
Evil Liberal Bloggers Strain Grassley, Specter Friendship, On Twitter
http://wonkette.com/410515/evil-liberal-bloggers-strain-grassley-specter-friendship-on-twitter
August 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm#20 – RE: Dick Armey resigning ……. does that mean he will no longer be on Meet The Press on Sunday to debate Rachel Maddow about Health Care????
August 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pmGreat@60, I was wondering the same thing! That would be great. Dick made an ass out of himself by insulting Joan Walsh from ‘Salon’. When Joan got the better of him he launched into a chavanist tirade. What a Pompous Fool.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pm… ehhhhh… that wasn’t what i thought it was…
August 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pmregrets…
Is there someone out there with the stomach to watch Beck’s show and report back on the advertisers who still remain?
I hate to ask, but I simply don’t have the stomach for it. I’d love to see who’s still stickin’ with Blech.
For anyone who does, thanks. For those who cannot, I’m with you.
PEACE
August 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pm“Anybody need a doorstop?”
August 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pmIt’s official. Dementia takes another victim.
August 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pm“they are like machine guns of crazy!”
-liz winstead, on ed… in reference to the angry mobs…
sounds better in context, when ed asked about the crowds yapyapyap…
August 14th, 2009 at 6:59 pmKay said,
August 14th, 2009 at 7:00 pmCan you provide a link to back that up?
According to Meet the Press website…
Sunday’s Guests include:
Fmr. Rep. DICK ARMEY (R-TX)
House Majority Leader 1995-2003
Chairman, FreedomWorks
so if the Internets are to be believed…Mr. Armey will be on.
If Not…I bet Ms. Maddow mentions it.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pmPalin reads all the magazines and newspapers, although she doesn’t know any of their names, and Grassley claims to have read Beck’s book at least twice.
I have a subtle suspicion that reading is not something Republicans do much of.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pmRecall the burning of Dixie Chick CD’s? I think we should have a book burning with Beck, Coulter and a few others.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pmI’ve been wondering a lot lately whether Chuck Grassley was losing mind. Thanks to this report, I no longer have to wonder
- he HAS!
I hope Obama readjusts his decision to keep him in the loop. The only loop Grassley should be in, is the one that takes him out of Congress and DC!
August 14th, 2009 at 7:09 pmLevi@69, LOL! Why READ when you can watch Faux News? After all, I think most of the Repugs can’t get past ‘The Cat in the Hat.’
August 14th, 2009 at 7:09 pmThe guy looks. talks and acts like a total jerk.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:09 pmThe man has truly gone insane.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:10 pmGrassley is not reading common sense…Gee, most not have been a very good book.
And just how is Beck an expert on common sense. I mean when someone, a self decribed rodeo clown, talks about how ‘they dont surround us, we surround them, draw back the curtains no one is there’ Its like WTF? What kinda common sense is that?
August 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pmSpencer’s mom – Sorry I can’t stand the site of Beck or Blech (that’s better). I wanted to vomit over one of my coworkers constant fawning over him this morning! ILK!
OT – did anyone see Lawrence O’Donnell eviscerate Congressman John Culberson(R-TX)? I’m about to watch it again! He refused to admit that Medicare is a socialist program run by the government! It was too good! Luv me some Lawrence!
Also wanted to note that Culberson called that dumb broad Abram his hero!
August 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pmand I’ll say it again…and again…and again! ;-)
Go here,
http://grassley.senate.gov/
and tell him he’s an idiot…a shill…a disgrace to America.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pmI googled Obama assassination attempt, and I got a pile of hits.
Obama has had several attempts on his life before he was elected, or while he was president elect. I didn’t find anything since he became president, but there are 1,110,000 hits with that search.
I would like to take this time to thank the secret service for trying to protect President Obama. This must be one of the most difficult jobs in America right now. My advice to you guys is arrest and incarcerate every wingnut that threatens anything.
It is time for America to clean house.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:20 pmOh My God – that’s all I can muster for this one…
August 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pmOH…and whilst everyone is at it…
Go here,
http://culberson.house.gov/
and tell Culberson that he’s an idiot TOO!
August 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pmChuck Grassley and Glen Beck are birds of a feather. Beck wants to poison Nancy Pelosi and Grassley said AIG executives should resign or commit suicide. What’s the matter with these people?!
August 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pmPass it on when you’re through with it?
:|
I’m not sure you want to be reusing toilet paper like that.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm“The result of preventing failure in a country rooted in freedom is a country that is no longer rooted in logic.” -Glen Beck
Its like he took a few thoughts then jumpled them together with the help of his psychologist Dr Jack Daniels
August 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pmThank you SoapBox!
I also want to add that – if you haven’t done so already – YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST get in front of your Congressmen. They may be out of the office but their assistants will take your message, letter, etc. and forward it on for you.
I was so shocked today that my Rep. has received mostly hostile phone calls against healthcare reform. NC is a BLUE STATE! I visited Rep Kissell’s office, filled out a survey and told my story to the Deputy District Director. They were so nice and took time to listen. They want to hear from us as much as possible. I told him the screamers and yellers WILL NOT SPEAK FOR ME. THEY DON’T REPRESENT ME! I want healthcare reform ASAP!
August 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pmhormiga brava chavez, holy shit! I’ve never seen O’Donnell like that with anyone, but Culbertson just pissed him off with his disingenuousness. I missed the very beginning because someone in the house needed to watch The Simpsons.
I don’t know the history, but I’d bet Culbertson only keeps his seat because of DeLay and his gerrymandering.
PEACE
August 14th, 2009 at 7:33 pmI am fearing that the GOP may be nothing more than a brainwashed group of automatons …
August 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pmI want to have a massive bonfire to burn the BS books of Beck, Colter, Hannity, O’Reilly and Malken. Please feel free to add as many other BS authors as possible.
Pending (not yet in print) list of books to burn: Palin’s, Cheney’s, Bush’s.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pmBeck doesn’t even have a college degree. Nor does Hannity. There side has “experts” with no credentials. But then, they were happy with Bush II, and he was dumb as a box of rocks.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pmPreventing failure = no logic
So, if we reverse the ‘common sense’ of his Paine-ful prose we get: Dont use logic to prevent failure.
WOW. I can see this is yet another case of buying books by the pallet loads and then shelving them in a warehouse, alongside Coulters books, to collect dust and get a ‘number one’ seller rating. I also not you can buy this book for a mere 6 bucks.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pmThe books should have been titled “Common NONSENSE.”
August 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm. . . I mean, of course “Their side . . . “
August 14th, 2009 at 7:38 pmHi Levi, I heard this comment today on MSNBC so no link. After typing in Google News the words, “secret service obama”, we see what is going on just in this past week:
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=secret+service+obama
There was a couple of assassination attempts when he was campaigning, though. Here’s one:
http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2637196/Neo-Nazi-skinheads-wanted-to-kill-Obama.html
August 14th, 2009 at 7:38 pmmk3872 says:
I am fearing that the GOP may be nothing more than a brainwashed group of automatons …
Socrates talk of people whose head were filled with foam. I think he was onto something. I call them sponges.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmRush and Rove don’t have college degrees, either.
PensiveGadfly says:
August 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pmBeck doesn’t even have a college degree. Nor does Hannity
I’d love to “Pass It On”, however, I think that after I’ve made a healthy donation to the GOP , it very well may clog the plumbing.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pmBecks books is unique in that it is the first brand of toilet paper that ships with the crap already on it.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmlora@94, That’s why Beck and Rush sneer at educated people. They belive the ‘Common Folk’ want unintellegent bozos like them in control. But like Jon Stewart once eluded that’s it better to have a smart guy in charge than a dumb-ass.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm#93- Re: Socrates- maybe he lost something in translation- the Spanish “escoria means SCUM- I think that fits the current thinkers and de facto GOP leaders such as limbuger, Herr beck, KKKlannity, et al.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pmHow is this a case against an out of control government? I And who bluffs their kid hoping they dont notice? Why it seems to me that Beck is bluffing his followers hoping they dont notice.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:47 pmMessage 84: hormiga brava chavez says:
I also want to add that – if you haven’t done so already – YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST get in front of your Congressmen. They may be out of the office but their assistants will take your message, letter, etc. and forward it on for you.
———————
Everybody, just place a bookmark for each of these sites…it just can’t get any easier to select your Senators and Representatives…and then email, call, and fax away!
http://www.senate.gov/
http://www.house.gov/
hormiga brava chavez is right…it’s time to get out and let not only the idiots know how you feel but those (idiot or non-idiot) in your districts know how you feel (and hopefully you are feeling like supporting reform.)
August 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pmBack in the 60’s there were only two things bought on credit. A home, once you had saved enough for a good down payment and maybe a car.
In Beck’s world, a Snickers Bar qualifies. His heroes have sold us one can have anything, if you are willing to pay someone 200 times what it is worth over time.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pmIn Beck’s world, a Snickers Bar qualifies. His heroes have sold us one can have anything, if you are willing to pay someone 200 times what it is worth over time.
I agree, Beck is a cheerleader for the powers that created an out of control government.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pmIt says a lot about the US Economy when two of the big dogs, Wall Street and Health Insurance, provide nothing of value and totally work on the money of other people.
August 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmGlen Beck, if born in the days of fighting for American independence would run thru the streets, cheerleader outfit flitting in the wind, poms poms wavering “The British are coming!! Sis Boom Bah! British are coming!! Yay for our team!!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pmRe: Socrates- maybe he lost something in translation- the Spanish “escoria means SCUM-
I think your correct, I dont recall the exact wording but it had something to do with sea foam, which does form a type of surface scum.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pmXisithrus says:
Sorry, Glenda would have been a Tory.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pmSorry, Glenda would have been a Tory.
Yes, thats who he was cheering for. His team.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pmI’ll bet Thomas Paine is vomitting in his grave because of how much Beck raped his work.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:05 pmThis is just sick. this guy is just sick.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pmHere’s an idea. Paine’s book is in the public domain, right? Get a bunch of copies printed up with Beck’s picture on the cover. “Pass them along” for free. See if you can get any reason crammed into the heads of the residents of Glennbeckistan.
Nahhh. Reason would roll off of these cretins like water off a duck’s back.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pmHave to disagree with you there Hoodathunk. You’re right about the 60’s and what people bought on credit back then, i.e. house and car. But where our paths diverge is in this supposedly “old school” mentality that embraces poverty as a virtue and the notion that credit is inherently evil.
The truth is there’s ample for all. That’s the simple truth that’s hiding in plain sight. While we can honor our parents for their struggles during hard times to make ends meet, we don’t necessarily need to repeat those struggles to find virtue in our lives today. There’s this mentality in this country that having two TV’s, or two cars, or two stereos is somehow ridiculous excessive. There’s this mentality that using credit cards is evil, and that if you use credit cards to buy things that you don’t have the money for, that you are living above your means. And that’s not true. You’re not living above your means if you can continue to pay your bills, including your credit card bills.
The truth is at the end of the day, WE print the money.
No one seems to want to acknowledge that.
WE print the money. We value the money. We decide who gets how much of the pie.
There’s a mentality in this country that teaches virtue in poverty, and its that mentality that allows the polarization of the classes. Its why we have so many working poor. Because people believe this nonsense about credit, living above ones means, etc.
What we need is a living wage across the board and available credit so Americans can continue to buy and sell goods. THATS what drives an economy. Paying more than somethings worth is relative. What its worth is what its worth to you, and paying interest is what drives business. And driving business means JOBS. Credit, interest, and the buying and selling of goods and property is what drives an economy and creates jobs.
Not a bunch of “old school frugal” folks sitting on the only two nickels they have in the world to rub together.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pmI’m working on a book myself.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pmThe tentative title will be: “Cysts, Hemmoroids, and Dumb Asses-The Story of Rush Limbo and Glen Beckie.”
tony and lido
When Cheney and Phil Graham opened up their “new programs” (i.e. Arm and SubPrime markets) they were not wrong. This was a good move. It brought the dream of the American home within reach of so many hard working Americans.
Where they went wrong was in DEREGULATING the oversight of the lenders, which in turn led to the lenders overextending themselves, i.e. not keeping sufficient capital on hand to cover their increased losses due to lending to a wider demograph of income earners.
The whole “housing crisis” wasn’t about “deadbeat borrowers” not paying their mortgages.
It was about deadbeat LENDERS, lending more money than they had to lend, and not keeping sufficient capital on hand to cover the higher rates of defaults that naturally occur when you increase risk.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pm***
the glen beck hate machine
gains traction.
:|
August 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pmI agree Waynebro and IIRC, it was the Basel banking accord that also sought to lower capital requirements
August 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pmI wish I could give your comment 1,000 thumbs up!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pmChris Kofinis (Democratic Strategist on Keith Olbermann’s Countdown) just said it right(I’m paraphrasing) – we need to tell every one of the Republicans to put their money where their mouth is and suspend Medicare and Medicaid funding! If they’re against a government run public health insurance option! You know with all of their (no offense) Senior Citizen constituents and all – just sayin’!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pmLuv me some Keith too! MUAH!
No wondering book publishing is in such peril, if they’ve been publishing incoherent people like Beck.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pmya like that one did ya?
:D
I’ll be here all week,….don’t forget to tip your waitress.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pmLOL Waynebro. I put your comment in the upper left hand corner of my blog as the featured comment from the Internet(s), so everyone can enjoy it as much as I did! The angry conservatives will hate it, however, because you’re making fun of their White Neocon Race Master Jesus.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pmOMG-Keith Olbermann is totally exposing Beck’s hypocrisy – Videos and all – can’t make this shyte up !
I can’t wait until Sunday with Dick Armey and Rachel Maddow- WOOOOHOOO!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:45 pmSomething tells me with regards to me they are already “none too fond”.
:D
But like that little button on your site so eloquently states, “amazingly enough I don’t give a sh$t“.
August 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pmPretty soon the only sponsors of Glenn Beck’s shows will be YouTube videos from the armed militias of America!
August 14th, 2009 at 8:55 pmWAYNEBRO, we all need to take that advice when the neocons say they hate us….”Amazingly enough WE don’t give a sh*t!”. LOL
August 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pmI can see why the title “Common Sense” would sell so well with the teabagging repugs.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:00 pmIt’s been obvious for years that it’s something they lack.
YES! IT’S BEEN CONFIRMED THAT RAAAAACHEL MADDOW WILL BE ON MEET ‘DAH’ PRESS WITH DICK(HEAD) ARMEY! YEAH!
I apologize folks for disrupting the thread with my enthusiasm! (:(:(:(:
I hope Maddow is shining her silver platter upon which she will serve Armey’s A$$!
August 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pmTrue, and even if we do we’ve always got Glens book to clean it up with.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pmOf course, to be fair to Beck, it hasn’t helped his book sales any with Mr Whipple badgering the customers to stop squeezing it.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pmBut where our paths diverge is in this supposedly “old school” mentality that embraces poverty as a virtue and the notion that credit is inherently evil.
Never said anything about the virtue of poverty, just said people worked to build a base. We have people buying homes these days way beyond their means because they don’t have to build a base anymore.
Twenty something people buying big bucks houses is fantasy. It is selling their souls to the Company Store. It is all about give and take. If someone has little to give, the other side is going to take, big time.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pmI dont embrace poverty as a virtue its that I know that money is a complete scam to make people into debt serfs. Money is loaned into existence by people who have not done any real work for their “wealth”
If you want to become a member of a giant ponzi scheme to rob you of your work, go ahead. Go in debt. Buy crap you dont need by borrowing and paying more than its actually worth
August 14th, 2009 at 9:33 pmIt truly must take a especial kind of Repig to be so stupid as to give a certifiable nut like the Baboon any credibility.
In recent weeks, the Baboon has joked about poisoning Nancy Pelosi, called President Obama “a racist,” and also ranted about the obscure intentions of the President to turn the USA into a fascist state.
Along with Think Progress, there are other blogs such as Media Matters for America, News Hounds, DailyKos, Crooks and Liars (perhaps I am missing some) that have documented the Baboon’s absolute ignorance, disjointed rants and lies.
If the GOPigs think that both Limpo and the Baboon are now their intellectual leaders, they may as well dissolve the GOPig party and await the rapture.
Unbelievable.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pmGuess we’re OT. Oh well, it’s Friday.
I’ll say this. I like you don’t like seeing 20 somethings getting big houses. But when I look closer at that sentiment I realize that it’s;
A. Founded in a generalization that is based on a small minority of home sales and does not represent the overall picture with regards to mortgage lending and home sales.
B. More sour grapes from a surly old fart like me who had to wait till he was in his 40’s to buy a home. We had to do more to get ours and it irks us when the whippersnappers get theirs easier than we did.
I do know some people who’s bought homes more expensive than they could afford but those people either sold them, or went out and made more money to pay for them.
A mortgage is a mortgage. Either you can pay it or you can’t.
And I muse back to my own parents when I was just a little boy, and they were in their late 20’s and 30’s, and we were renting. I remember how determined they were to buy and buy then, and how much it meant to them to own rather than “living by anothers leave”. In 65 we bought our first home in MD, I think it was like 10 thousand bucks or something which was a lot back then. Dad was a carpenter so we didn’t make much, and they struggled to make the payments sometimes. But they did. And we always had a home of our own after that, and it instilled in us kids a sense of ownership and the self respect that comes from growing up on your own land.
So really it comes down to putting the spotlight on a small demograph of home buyers, mostly who didn’t buy so much out of their means as simply turning out to be irresponsible, rather than putting the spotlight where it belongs, i.e on the greedy lenders who lent money they did not have lend, and who squandered profits from interest payments rather than keeping sufficient capital on hand to handle the defaults from their higher risk borrowers.
The govt and the lenders want us to believe this was OUR fault, and that we are all deadbeats.
They sold that lie by taking over hyped figures from a California based firm called RealtyTrac, and waving them at people saying “look, everyones defaulting on their mortgages”.
The truth was only a very small percent back in 06, 07 and 08 were defaulting on their mortgages, but the media fueled on by the lending lobby showed figures out of context, such as showing default rates in certain high volume areas like Vegas, and presenting them as if they represented figures across the board. The truth is back in 2007 and 08, we had about 1 percent of all mortgages being written going into default, meaning 98 to 99 percent of mortgages were good, and MOST borrowers were meeting their obligations as agreed.
It was a specific group of investors and regions where the skullduggery took place, and most Americans were not deadbeats. It was the LENDERS who were the deadbeats by squandering profits from high interest rates rather than using them to keep sufficient capital on hand to handle the naturally higher default rates created by lending to a higher risk demograph.
Essentially they adopted the sub prime market to lend to a higher risk demograph, then acted as if they never expected a higher rate of default. THAT was made possible by deregulation, where the fed no longer took careful steps to ensure lenders were properly assessing risk and maintaining sufficient capital on hand to cover the higher default rates that naturally accompany increased risk.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pmThat’s another generalization founded in emotion and not reality. First, what are people buying that they don’t need? When did you get to decide for others what they can have and not have? As long as they’re willing to pay the bills, what business is that of yours?
I’ve been in debt for going on 40 years. So? I squander a lot in interest payments, but I also know that my interest payments are putting Americans to work and driving the economy by creating jobs, wealth, and that in turn means better products, new technology, and a better quality of life for everyone. As for determining need, do I need 5 televisions? Sure. If I want to watch television when I’m in any room in the house. Do I need two cars? Sure. If I don’t want to walk to work while they other ones in the shop. Do I need a new washing machine? Sure. If I want to help the planet by buying a newer, more energy efficient machine than my old one.
Need is relative to the needer, and one of the beautiful things about freedom is that you don’t get to decide for me what I need or do not need. As long as I’m willing to pay the interest rates my creditors demand, what’s that to you?
Credit drives the economy, like it or not.
When you spend a dollar, someone else makes a dollar.
And you get a new big screen for the beer bar you’re building in your garage.
August 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pmI started reading the Kindle sample of this book (samples are free). It’s a pile’o'trash. Why any serious person would think that a book full of ignorant RW ranting screed is worth reading is beyond me….
Cheers,
August 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pmWaynebro, its nice to know you agree with the idea that credit is a way of life. You are totally free to indulge. As are all of your contemporaries. Welcome to the Company Store.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:04 pmThe daily show shows what journalism should be
August 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pmGlenn Becks morph on healthcare
The store is where you usually make purchases.
Or are you suggesting we return to the barter system?
August 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pmI suggest nothing, merely make a comment. If you miss its intent…
August 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pmWelcome to America and capitalism.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pmWelcome to America and capitalism.
Glad you feel at home.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pmblue53 says: :Grassely is a card-carrying member of “The Family”.
He is chosen.
“At the heart of the Family’s spiritual advice for its proxies in Congress is the conviction that the market’s invisible hand represents the guidance of God, and that God wants his “new chosen” to look out for one another”
The “new chosen”–I don’t think that’s us regular folks.”
Yep, he’s a member of the C Street fanatics. Time to bring this up every time he does anything. Someone ought to be confronting him about it at every town hall he does, every public appearance or statement he makes.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pmrepublicanshatefacts says:
WAYNEBRO says:
Credit drives the economy, like it or not.
That’s b*llsh*t. Work drives the economy, credit steals from it. I can expect you to say something monumentally stupid and I’m not disappointed.
This idea has been driven since Ronnie tried to tell us that rich folks would pee on us, pardon me, trickle down, benefits. Can’t really blame idiots for believing that someone peeing on their back might be rain.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pmGrassley wretched: “it’s something you gotta read a couple times.”
I’d rather be euthanized.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:22 pmYou know, one of the best feelings I’ve ever had in my life was when I paid off my first car. There was a sense of accomplishment that instilled pride and self respect.
I don’t recall on that day bemoaning all the interest I’d given the lender. What I do remember is that warm feeling of honor I felt in myself, the same feeling I saw in my parents when they paid a bill or had a success.
If I had never borrowed the money, I’d never had had the car, and wouldn’t have been able to get the good job 40 miles away that helped me move forward in my career and keep a roof over my head.
Credit is not evil and its time to stop acting like it is. Everything we have is thanks to someone, somewhere lending someone money. Without it, buildings aren’t built, businesses including small businesses aren’t started, and jobs aren’t created.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Well I don’t have to say something monumentally stupid.
You already did.
This is the nonsense we hear from those who never owned a business or created anything of value in their lives.
Anyone who’s ever owned a small business knows that without credit, there is no business. PAYROLL requires credit. Period. Most small businesses that put more people to work than maw and paw, need credit to meet payroll.
And big businesses can not function without credit.
Without credit there are no jobs.
Without credit there is no work.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pmnigel says:
The daily show shows what journalism should be
Glenn Becks morph on healthcare
August 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
***
nigel, i was about to post this one too,
i saw it at crooks and liars. brilliant!
:)
glenn gets bought off by fox
like one of o’reilly’s hookers.
L)
August 14th, 2009 at 10:31 pm***
waynebro,
don’t get in the ring with rhf.
he’s a little cuckoo.
:0
August 14th, 2009 at 10:33 pmSo now I’m having a civil discussion with you, talking to you respectfully and reasonably and you have to call me an idiot?
No ones talking about “trickle down economics”. I’m talking about the requirement of credit for an economy to thrive.
Credit is sharing the wealth.
Credit is someone who has more, sharing part of what he has with someone else so they can both make more. The lender making more on the interest, and the borrower making more by using the funds to either create more wealth for himself, or by making purchases that help other businesses and people make money.
Without credit you can’t have an economy. Something you’d know if you were ever involved in business yourself.
Or attended a course on economics.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:38 pmI know, sorry. He stalks me looking for a thread where I’m in a moderate disagreement with someone, and then tries to turn it into a major disagreement.
Of me, he is none too fond.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:39 pmChuck Grassley has become a tool of anybody with a dollar, a comb and apparently now, a book.If Glenn Beck is on your reading list you are an exceptional lightweight.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:41 pm“it’s something you gotta read a couple times.” Of course you have to do that, Mr. Grassley. Once you finish anything by Glenn Beck, you’ll find yourself thinking “What did he just say?” or “Is he serious?” or my personal favorite “Is he on something?”
August 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pmFirst you would have to define reality. BTW I was not speaking emotionally.
Im sure you throw away stuff every year, many people do, have garage sales to get rid of the stuff they didnt really needm but bought on a whim.
When did you get to decide that I need debt? That debt is good?
I said if you want to go in debt, go ahead.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:43 pmI think I just did define reality. In quite specific detail.
I refer you to my comments.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:46 pmI think you defined your reality.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:47 pmI refer you to mine
August 14th, 2009 at 10:48 pmNo, I am a packrat. I keep everything. But that’s irrelevant anyway. As I so painstakingly explained to you, the need is based on the individual and their own determinations.
Not yours.
If someones throwing out something this year that he bought last year, no doubt he needed or wanted it last year.
And when he bought it, he helped someone else by giving them a job.
If everyone thought like you and sat on their two nickels, then our economy would grind to a screeching halt.
ANY economy, would drive to a screeching halt.
:|
Without credit, there will be no jobs for you to earn any more nickels.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pm***
kind of like tag.
you’re it!
:)
August 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pmNonetheless, not even the brightest of physicists, or even economists, have solved reality.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:50 pmWAYNE
You are mixing debt (credit) for consumption wit debt (credit) for investment.
Say, your kid wants to buy a bunch of CDs or games every weekend and you put it on your credit card and carry the debt.
Fine. You have every right to do it.
Now, let us say that you are buying (on credit) a new set of tools that will allow you to perform your job better and faster.
See the difference?
August 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pmWrong.
I’ve addressed your comments in specific detail.
You have not addressed mine.
You haven’t addressed the facts I presented, i.e. the requirement of credit for business to exist.
The fact that when you spend a dollar, someone else earns a dollar.
You haven’t addressed the fact that small businesses could not exist without credit.
And you haven’t addressed the fact that without credit, we’d have no jobs for the 200 million Americans in this country who need to work to survive.
You’ve addressed none of this.
So far, all you’ve said is “nuh uh”.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:52 pmNo, I am a packrat.
Ah yea, storing useless things that you dont use. Like I said, buying things you dont need. I guess its a comfort issue. Its mine mine mine and no one can have it!! I like knowing that it rots away in the basement or attic
August 14th, 2009 at 10:52 pmCredit is someone who has more, sharing part of what he has with someone else so they can both make more.
Be careful when the trickle down part happens.
People who have money just naturally share with those who don’t. As long as the interest rate is right.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:54 pmThats because the two are inherently connected.
People who own and work at CD stores, need work too.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:54 pmYou haven’t addressed the facts I presented, i.e. the requirement of credit for business to exist.
Businesses can and do exist without credit. Ergo its not a fact that business needs credit
August 14th, 2009 at 10:55 pmNowhere in this thread can you show I have typed the slang ‘nuh uh’
Look Bartlebee, I know your tactics. What is the real issue you are trying to prove or disprove? That business needs credit?
August 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pmI feel so bad about those 8 track stores.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:58 pmI also feel really really bad about the pony express going out of business.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pmThat’s called a “euphemism”.
For you, that’d be “yoo-fa-mizm”.
:|
And so far, that’s all you’re doing.
Post after post but not one that addresses the facts I keep spelling out.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pmThat’s called a “euphemism”.
For you, that’d be “yoo-fa-mizm”.
Projection doesnt fit you Bartlebee.
August 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pmOops, my bad. I’d given you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously you’re on the intellectual level of your tag team friend there, RHF.
Dumb and dumber.
When you can address the facts I’ve wasted the last hour spelling out for you, let me know.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:00 pmYou call this a fact?: For you, that’d be “yoo-fa-mizm”.
You funny!
August 14th, 2009 at 11:00 pmWaynebro, if you want the real basic, kiddy car explanation of what is going on with credit, rent “Its a Wonderful Life.” Pay particular attention to the scenes where Jimmy Stewart is trying to convince the people of the Savings and Loan as to why they need to hold on.
Then pay attention to the scene where Potter, knowing he has Bailey’s money, tries to buy him off.
Then go have a stiff drink.
If, after that, you agree with George, welcome to America. If you agree with Potter, drink the rest of the bottle.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:00 pmI guess you consider your projectionist mental images fact as well
August 14th, 2009 at 11:01 pm165 WAYNE
No.
I am talking about how you spend your money.
In one instance (the games) your money and the interest you pay do not generate any more money (profit) for you.
As I said, it is fine. You already worked for your money.
On the second instance, it is an investment.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:03 pmYou would expect to make money off your tools, because those would make your job easier.
That is how debt (credit) is used by businesses.
Face it Bart, your projecting silly images of what your mind conjures upon me is not ‘fact based’
August 14th, 2009 at 11:03 pmWell, since I’ve created several businesses over my half century on the planet, and put more people to work than burger flipping jobs you two idiots have likely been fired from, I don’t need to rent “It’s a Wonderful Life”.
In fact I own the movie.
And I can watch it, in my own private 25×25x16 home theater, with a 105 inch screen and digital projector.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well, since I’ve created several businesses over my half century on the planet, and put more people to work than burger flipping jobs you two idiots
LOL, more projectionist “fact”
August 14th, 2009 at 11:06 pmSo, Bart, who are you to decide who is an idiot, or burger flipper, or not?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:06 pmAnd I can watch it, in my own private 25×25x16 home theater, with a 105 inch screen and digital projector.
Is the color real good, Mr.Potter?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:06 pmHey, I am a burger flipper because Bart says its a fact!!
BWAHAHAA
August 14th, 2009 at 11:07 pmDayum, now I am gonna have to get a job at McDonalds
August 14th, 2009 at 11:07 pmWell Johnny Dollar (the sum total of your net worth I presume?) if you’d try reading my comments prior to piling on the shitpile, you’d see that I pointed out repeatedly to you, that it creates wealth for OTHERS.
And one of the great lessons of life you “might” learn, if you study hard and do something more with your life than blog or flip burgers, then you will figure out that helping OTHERS to create wealth, is the best way to ensure it for yourself.
When you spend a dollar, someone else makes a dollar.
I said it several times now, and I don’t think I can dumb it down for you any more.
:|
August 14th, 2009 at 11:08 pmWell, not if I am into currency speculation
August 14th, 2009 at 11:08 pmThie presumes you know the meaning of life..
Please elaborate.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:09 pmOnce more, the burger flipper is a yoo-fa-mizm.
It’s not meant to be taken literally.
:|
As for the idiot, I can’t help with the obvious.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pmLike I said, I can’t dumb it down anymore for you.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pmWhat?? You didnt use a fact? OMG
August 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pmWell, this dispels any doubt as to whether or not Grassley has lost his sanity and sends a message to the rest of the fruitcakes that their behavior is acceptable.
What a stupid bastard.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:10 pmLets see, someone buys a McDonalds burger for a dollar. Thirty cents goes for product. Twenty cents goes for labor/wages. Fiftey cents goes to the owner of the franchise.
Yup, spend a dollar and someone makes…something. Not the person doing the work though.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:11 pmTo borrow from a classic
the most blatant case of false advertising since the neverending story
August 14th, 2009 at 11:11 pmOnly if they lower their hiring standards.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pmSo, you are telling me you exist on some higher level?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pm**
#179,
you’re thinking of oxycontin.
and this piece of human bacterium.
:)
glad i could help.
:)
August 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pmAnd what makes you judge of who is an idiot?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:13 pmI’m acknowledging the fact that I’m not so high school stupid as to not be capable of comprehending the vital relationship between credit and the economy.
As you have proven to be.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:14 pmHail great Bartlebee who exists on a higher level because he has ordained himself who is an idiot and who is not and what reality is and is not.
Im on my knees, really.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:14 pmThere you go Wayne. As long as you own money to someone else, someone else is making your money. Pretty simple.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:15 pmYour demonstrated ignorance for starters?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:15 pmBy what standard? Yours?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:15 pmWell, sheet, man, why didnt you just say that before?
Isnt credit debt and debt credit? And why would I want to be indebted to any man or corporation?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:16 pmSo you just want to trade one liners all night?
:|
And you still need someone to explain to you why you’re a moron?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:17 pmI spelled out in rational specific detail my position, and why credit is essential to economic stability, and you in turn responded with a bunch of baby talk and one liners.
THAT explains why you’re an idiot.
You don’t need me for that.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmNice system you have there, you can declare yourself not high school stupid and acknowledge it.
Kind like a God complex…not saying it is, you know.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:19 pmXisithrus, he likes the idea of working to pay off someone else. It feeds his sense of self worth because someone pays attention to him.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:19 pm165 WAYNE
Again with your defensive BS?
Let me just say that my partners and I examined different business models and we went for the least overhead and maximum ROI.
Mostly everyone works on commission.
Basically, we don’t produce jack shit. We fill a few forms and move on to find a new customer.
When the customers are so foolish as to think they will make a dollar, we get paid on their commitment.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pmNo, you spelled out what YOU thought was rational and specific. Just because you follow that doesnt mean I do.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pmWayne, if our economy is based on people owning money to other people, why?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:20 pmLook Bart, I understand what your saying, but because I dont agree with that means it is ‘baby talk’ thats just you pinning your thunk on me, wrongly so.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:21 pmI want to add that I also LUV me some Stephanie Miller and ED Shultz!
PLEASE SUPPORT ALL LIBERAL & DEMOCRATIC BLOGS, AND PROGRESSIVE RADIO.
YES WE CAN!
G’NITE!
August 14th, 2009 at 11:23 pmI dont like borrowing money for that reason.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:23 pmAnd Wayne, if you truly believe that the money you work for belongs in someone else’s pocket, good for you. I’m sure they will send you a cheese and sausage box at Xmas.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:24 pmI hate the feeling of owing someone money.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:25 pmIf you actually disagreed with me, you’d point out where.
So far you haven’t said one word about the facts I wasted my time spelling out for you. You haven’t explained how the people who make and sell televisions are supposed to keep their jobs without credit. You haven’t explained how small business is supposed to survive without credit. And you haven’t addressed how big business is supposed to create jobs and technology without credit.
All you’ve done is effectively say “nuh uh” and then get into a silly tit for tat ovr the meaning of “nuh uh”.
I talked to you with respect for your intelligence and as a fellow blogger. You in turn climbed on RHF’s shitpile to crow at me and talk to me like a fool.
When you can talk to me with the same respect I showed you, and that means addressing the facts I present, not playing stupid little word games, you let me know.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:27 pmAnd Wayne, if you truly believe that the money you work for belongs in someone else’s pocket, good for you. I’m sure they will send you a cheese and sausage box at Xmas.
Can you find one nuh uh in that?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:30 pmNever once did I pin my imagination on you or call high school people stupid or accuse you of baby talk.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:31 pmWhen you figure out that the money you keep your pocket does you and no one else any good, then you’ll know something.
The money itself is nothing.
Just numbers being moved around on a board.
It’s what the money can do when you take it out of your pocket, that means something.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:32 pmYou call that respectful lamguage?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:33 pmIt’s what the money can do when you take it out of your pocket, that means something.
Sorry, but when you put it in someone else’s pocket, that sort of shoots the whole concept.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:34 pmSo why borrow what does you no good?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:35 pmIf you have money to take out of your pocket…why borrow?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:36 pmCredit is good, money in pocket is bad, money is nothing,
I am getting some seriously mixed messages here…
August 14th, 2009 at 11:39 pmI tried to make clear that there is a distinction between consumption debt and investment debt.
Investment debt is based on the assumption that your return, your profit, will be greater than the interest paid on the debt.
And YES. That does generate jobs. It pays interest to the lender and allows a business to INVEST and continue WORKING.
It is WORK which produces value, profit.
If you need to borrow $10 to buy wood and then make a table with it, then sell the table for $20 to pay back the loan ($10 plus interest) the difference you pocket is YOUR WORK.
You could also in turn offer TERMS (credit) to your buyers.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:40 pmInstead of buying your table for cash on hand at $20, you can offer easy payments that would total $25.
Not a bad deal for you, as a manufacturer. You would be charging a nice 20% surcharge (interest).
If you need to borrow $10 to buy wood and then make a table with it, then sell the table for $20 to pay back the loan ($10 plus interest) the difference you pocket is YOUR WORK.
Yet the lender made money with no actual work…
August 14th, 2009 at 11:40 pmross douthit on bill maher spouting the lines about all the taxes the rich and corporations pay…
and no one calls bullshit… except ashton kutcher… sorta…
(is he like 14?)
watch out for this douthit guy… thinks he’s clever…
full’o’shit. (imo)
maher needs to be better prepared… this came up when he reported the ‘income inequality’ story – he should have known better that most of the big monies pay little to no taxes…
August 14th, 2009 at 11:40 pmBut but but rainy days!! =)
August 14th, 2009 at 11:42 pmAmerica has become a nation of investors. The idea is to pay someone else to work and then make money off it.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pm226 Xisithrus
That’s the beauty of it.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:45 pmIt used to be every fifty a jubilee, of sorts, was held where debt was forgiven. People then realized money is a zero sum game. And when the game ends it is restarted by wiping out debts and beginning anew.
Today, we are born into debt, and will die in debt, because of unscrupulous controlling people.
Debt peonage.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:45 pmAnd I didn’t say you did. What I said is you talked with baby talk, and like a fool, like you’re doing now, trying to play stupid word games and turn this into some stupuid tit for tat nonsense, rather than address the FACTS I’ve spelled out over and over again.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:46 pmevery fifty years
August 14th, 2009 at 11:46 pm226 Xisithrus
That’s the beauty of it.
Im sure the Kings thought burying their gold in underground vaults thought the same thing. Now they are wondering around in some other dimension flat broke.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pmwandering…sheesh, I need another drink
August 14th, 2009 at 11:50 pmThe only peons are the ones who don’t want to pay their bills.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:50 pmWhen you tyoe to me respectfully maybe I will address your ‘facts’ that you havent spelled out.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:51 pmAdam Smith pointed out, in his time, that no nation has ever paid off its debts.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmAnd really, Wayne, look at America today, we are a debtor nation, our debt sold to other countries, and your talking to me about how credit is a good thing?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:53 pmThe only peons are the ones who don’t want to pay their bills.
And this from someone who claims credit makes the economy go round.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pmThe richest country in the world and we owe a communist country.
Great, just great.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pmHuh.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pmYour getting a free ride, Wayne, because foreign countries buy our debt. How does that make you feel?
August 14th, 2009 at 11:57 pmWe have some 400 million bodies in this country and that means we need jobs. Lots of em.
When you and your senior high school mentality anarchists come up with a practical, doable way to create all these jobs, let us know.
In the meantime, aside from health care Americans on the average enjoy one of the highest qualities of life on the planet, and the jobs you guys pointed out drive the economy, are created by credit.
Without credit, there is no business growth or development.
Without business growth or development, there are no jobs.
And without jobs there’s nothing but mass poverty and two classes. The rich and the pauper. Like we had for most of mankinds existence.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:58 pmWelcome to the USA, Wayne.
August 14th, 2009 at 11:59 pmI didnt tell corporations to offshore jobs.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:00 amIs this a fact?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:00 amOooo [bows to credit] thank you credit for financing jobs in other countries, hail great God credit.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:03 amIt is a known fact that the only way business can exist is if someone else pays for it.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:04 amFact is Wayne, credit worked to ships jobs offshore leaving America with more and more service industry jobs.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:04 amHail Great Job And Wealth Creator WalMart!!
Now, who on Gods green earth is going to loan a Walmart employee millions of dollars to start a business?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:04 amWayne has to be happy that two of the major businesses in the US these days do nothing but take money and play with it. It means there are people willing to pay other people to make more money for them.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:05 amHey, since Exxon has made record profits, in the hundreds of billions per quarter, do you think they need loans? Wayne seems to think they need credit.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:07 amAnd lets not forget the health insurance companies who make money every time an employee gets a splinter in their finger.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:10 amNothing defensive here, just addressing the nimrod pile on.
And as for your firm not producing “jack shit”, no doubt.
But the fact is irregardless of your widget sales company, MOST US businesses that actually PAY their workers, (not everones in sales there Zig Ziglar), which is the majority of them, rely on credit to meet payroll at least once a year if not regularly.
That’s just a fact, a fact President Obama tried explaining to you in his first state of the union address.
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August 15th, 2009 at 12:11 amThere are four things that improved the quality of my life. Air conditioning, cheap transportation, electricity and indoor plumbing, the rest is just entertainment
August 15th, 2009 at 12:12 amAgain with the pile on talk.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:13 amAnd thats the workers, who make your profits, fault??
August 15th, 2009 at 12:14 amWell your question is based on a fallacy, so it doesn’t make me “feel” anything.
First, US debt (i.e external and public) has increased but NOT in relation to the GDP.
In fact, over the last 50 years, it’s PLUMMETED.
Second, calling someone who works a 12 hour day “getting a free ride” shows the mentality of the juveniles I am debating.
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It’s not a free ride junior, if you have to WORK for it.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:14 amI have noticed he hasn’t had a decent response in some time. He just wants to say he likes paying other people to run his business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:15 amCould you retype these words in the form of a sentence?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:16 amReally, if your ROI is so great, why would you need to get loans just to pay your employees?
Sounds like bad management
August 15th, 2009 at 12:16 amSure. And thats the workers, who make your profits, fault??
August 15th, 2009 at 12:17 amAnd when you get loans to pay your employees salary, doesnt that just make the cost of production higher?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:18 amI’ve yet to meet a worker who minds being “paid” for his work.
On the other hand, I’ve met many a fly by night schister, who hires poor suckers to work “on commission” for them.
Quite often these sorts of firms are merely scams to cheat a worker out of an honest days pay.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:18 amI mean, when you take out a loan, with interest, it raises the cost of the product you are trying to sell, reducing your ROI.
I mean, come on, how is it good business to borrow to pay your workers?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:19 amAnd?
As I pointed out to you several hundred comments ago, that’s the price of cash.
Its all factored in slick, and if you knew anything about business, and I mean actually KNEW something about business, not read in google, then you’d know it TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:20 amStingy petty people who hoard money and hate to see their money going to someone else, usually end up in life with what they give to others.
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Nothing.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:20 amHaving to borrow money to make payroll is sort of like visiting the payday loan companies to pay your bills.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:20 amYeh, and he likes diminishing his profits by borrowing with interest
August 15th, 2009 at 12:21 amthen you’d know it TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
And if someone else has it, they get to make more. And if you don’t you get to make excuses why you have to use someone else’s money.
Sound business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:21 amOnly high school idiots would do that
/snark
August 15th, 2009 at 12:22 amuhh, no, it’s not.
Which further shows your ignorance on the subject.
Small business loans are an everyday fact of life.
They are the life blood of small business, and its NOTHING like visiting a payday loan company to pay your bills.
Its like borrowing money from your bank at a reasonable interest rate, and with reasonable, doable terms. Usually around a 5th.
Something you’d know, if you actually ever were in business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:22 amBut we were talking about ROI.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:23 amIt still affects your ROI, thats bad, right?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:24 amFirst your grammatical skills are starting to break down.
I assume alcohol is the culprit?
Second, MOST small businesses, from the shop you buy your greeting cards at, to the hamburger joint you get your big mac from, RELIES on credit for payroll, resources, etc.
It’s a common fact of life, and I cant’ believe you are allowing people to see you don’t know this.
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I’m guessing you’re in your 20’s.
No one else could be that stupid.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:25 amSo the American business model is borrow money to stay in business on a monthly basis? And you wonder why our economy is in bad shape?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:25 amHey, I go to work, I sell my labor, and people pay me. Thats business. If you want to mess up your ROI by borrowing money to pay me, go ahead,
August 15th, 2009 at 12:27 amNot if you’re still making money.
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Do you really need that explained?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:27 amIf I can make zero dollars by not borrowing money to pay my workers, because I can’t get the contract from the client or business to put them to work because I can’t pay them, then THATS bad.
Because then the profit is ZERO.
If I can borrow enough money to pay the workers I need to hire to do the work so I can get the job so I can get paid for the job, and my profit margin is 14 percent, THATS good.
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In fact, that’s basic business 101.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:28 amSo, lets not go there. Mmmmk?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:29 amMy grammatical skills are just fine and anyone who says the only way to run a business is by depending on someone else’s money has no business being in business. If you want to live in a fantasy world where you depend on someone else giving you money to make your business work, go for it.
But what happens when they don’t have the money to give you?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:29 amAhh, but it does lower your ROI, right?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:30 amNo.
That’s a job.
Business is CREATING jobs for people like you, who need them.
And that takes credit.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:30 amI just dont see how debt, with interest, is a good business model.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:31 amEverything lowers your ROI.
An employee going to the bathroom lowers the ROI, but we still let them.
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Wasting my time in here talking to you lowers ROI.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:32 amNo, its business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:33 amYour assuming that I cant make money without an indebted boss.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:33 amNo, that’s a job.
The fact you think your job is “business” just goes to show why you work for someone, instead of creating work for others.
But that’s fine.
It takes all kinds.
It takes workers like you, even the dumb ones, to do the work that others create for you.
Even if you’re too stupid to know where it comes from.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:34 amPffft. I have enough skills that I can go out and make money without loans and without someone who is in debt who likes to think they are doing me a favor.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:35 amI just dont see how debt, with interest, is a good business model.
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August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amMosat small businesses are out of business in the blink of an eye. Everyone fancies themselves a bigtime entrepeneur…
More assumptions. I dont feel a need to profit off others sweat when I can do the work myself without supervision.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amYou can sit here and use your little job as a personal anecdote defense all night.
It still won’t change the fact that THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF US BUSINESSES rely on credit.
Particularly small business.
In fact, as I pointed out earlier and as you so troll like skipped over, President Obama said those very words in his first state of the union.
Sorry you weren’t listening.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amOR needless overhead.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amObviously, the new business model is for the small guys to go grovel to the big guys or the banks and ask nicely if they can borrow enough money to run their pitiful little business. And if they get the ok, they get to go back to the bank every month and ask for more money (at a reasonable interest rate) so they can keep their operation afloat.
But they have to ask nicely.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 amYou arent listening. Thats not my problem. I can make money without your business or your debt.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:38 amNo, I think you can’t profit off the work of others, and demonizing small business owners is not going to help your cause any.
It’s nonsense.
This whole debate is nonsense.
I’m telling you things any first year business major learned during orientation.
The fact that you’re too stupid to comprehend it is not my fault.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:38 amIts like they want to be indebted to some lazy person sitting behind a desk that would fall over and die from a heart attack if they tried to dig a ditch.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 amGreat.
Then you can write a book explaining how the other 399 million of us can go out and do what you do tomorrow.
Of course if we’re all doing it, then who will do the rest of the work?
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It’s like talking to a chimpanzee.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 amIt still won’t change the fact that THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF US BUSINESSES rely on credit.
And you still don’t see that this model is just plain wrong. Go back to the Company Store idea.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 amYour saying I should exploit others so I can sit behind a desk and get fat?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:41 amSitting at a desk is work.
I guess you think President Obama doesn’t work?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:41 amWaynebro, your justification that everyone else is doing it sounds familiar.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:41 amI feel that way when explaining to some ‘boss’ on what I am doing when rigging the flight controls on a large jet.
They just dont get it.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:42 amAnd as for falling over from a heart attack, I guess that’s some sort of shot at me?
I swing a 9 lb splitting maul thrice a week just for fun junior.
And I bench what I weigh, and thats about a deuce and a half.
When you’re in your 50’s, we’ll see if you’re doing so well.
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But thanks for pointing out you dig ditches for a living.
That I can see.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:43 amI think for the amount of calories he burns he is overpaid, not that he doesnt do any work.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:43 amRigging the flight controls on a “large jet”.
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Yea, the airline industry doesn’t rely on credit.
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Simply amazing.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:44 amWho gives a sh$t?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:45 amIf it were I would have put your name with it, but I didnt.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:45 amSure, I dug a ditch just the other day, to fix a water supply line into a home. I also am a licensed mechanic to work on aircraft.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:46 amFunny how your comments are moving down past mine.
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either that or I time traveled into the future, copied, pasted and responded to your comment, prior to your posting it.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:46 amWell, you asked.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:47 amAnd Waynebro, not only does your everybody else ring a bell, your little personal attacks do as well. Neither of us have made any about you. But don’t feel guilty, its just the name of the game.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:47 amWAYNE
Get a hold of yourself.
I am trying to help you explain how in SOME cases incurring in DEBT makes business sense, but you got all defensive.
I think you already understood how debt incurred for waste doesn’t make any money for you.
Now, you do have a point regarding borrowing (debt) AS LONG AS your ROI makes up for the difference in COST + INTEREST.
And you are making a poor case.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:48 amYou know, this is OT, but it happens to me quite a bit. Kinda fraky when you pass a clock, the pass it again later and the clock time is before the first time you looked at it.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:49 amSo now out comes the lies?
You called me an idiot long before I said a cross word to either of you chuckleheads.
Behold liar.
And your friend “voted it up”.
So much for your whiney lie about name calling, ay junior?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:49 amThey might, I dont.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:51 amI’m sorry, do you relate to the idea someone is peeing on your back?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:51 amNo, I didnt. And he wasnt referring to you.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:52 am280 WAYNE
You made the point there.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:53 amI don’t need someone in a blog named Johnny Dollar to tell me anything slick. As for getting a hold of myself, I’m trying to help you clowns get a hold on reality.
Your “some cases” is bullsh$t.
In most cases businesses borrow money. Most borrow money for start up. In fact if it weren’t for small business loans, we wouldn’t have small business and we’d all be working for the megacorps.
You forget the MILLIONS of hard working Americans who work for lenders across the USA.
You forget the millions and millions of jobs these lenders create and that are created by these lending institutions.
These are for the most part, honest businesses creating real jobs, and the goods and services they purchase in their daily doings in turn create more jobs and more wealth across the board.
I honestly cannot believe that has to be explained.
Not wonder this country is suffering economic downturn.
We have so few people who understand economics.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:53 amSpeaking of reality I read this interesting article on Spinons and Holons.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:56 amhttp://www.physorg.com/news72020272.html
I am sort of curious as to what consitutes a “real job”…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:56 amSo he was TALKING TO ME, ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID…but he wasn’t referring to me.
He just took the philosophy I posted, RESPONDED to it, called the people IDIOTS who said it, but didn’t mean me?
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How stupid do you have to be, to try and sell that one?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:56 amI understand economics I just dont agree with the rote trained economics 101 that borrowing is something that must be done to stay in business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amand rarely have a met an “honest” business…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amThere is no doubt that most small businesses, and large ones as well need to borrow capital to invest in inventory, equipment and facilities.
The cost of the interest is part of the normal expense accounting, and if your profit margin doesn’t cover it, you’re out of business.
If the loans and credit are available.
On the other hand, there are lots of individuals who are self employed and don’t need loans to conduct their business.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amI ran my own consulting company for seven years and never borrowed a dime.
Wow.
Talk about multi deja vu.
Here we go again.
A real job, would be one where you get paid in real money.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amWell you should stop hanging out in the red light district then.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:58 amWaynebro, I am certain that the banks dearly love the people who subscribe to your school of economics. In fact, I am sure they love the idea that Americans have bought the idea that doing things on credit so they can put money in their pocket for doing nothing. Thank you for helping us become the largest credit hole on the planet.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:59 amThen you don’t understand economics.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:59 amYou also accused me of referring to you as a heart attack victim from doing some labor [digging a ditch] So, yeh, I think your being a little too sensitive.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:59 amSo would that include diving into the water to retrieve the coins thrown by the tourists…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:00 amXisithrus @#322
August 15th, 2009 at 1:00 amThat went so far over my head, my neck hurts from looking up.
I do, its not written in stone that you must make loans to stay in business.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:00 amWell you should stop hanging out in the red light district then.
– Business has little to do with honesty and lots to do with trying to stay in business…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:01 amHeh. Yet Wayne wants to talk to us about reality is, or isnt.. =)
August 15th, 2009 at 1:02 amdbadass, how’s the salmon?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:02 amMy buddies up at Sieku have pulled in hundred of nice Coho and Kings the last few weeks…!
And so do the millions of hard working Americans who work at and for those banks.
Your juvenile anti business “fat cat” rhetoric is conducive to a WTO protest, but not to real life.
The businesses you sh$t on in your juvenile rants, in fact employee millions of Americans every day.
Real people.
Real jobs.
Real Americans.
And if we all followed your save a penny earn a penny doctrine, we’d be back to sticks and stones inside of a year.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:02 amI must admit, I was one crappy businessperson. I gave away too much of my services, underpriced my product and made a decent living in spite of it.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:03 amBoy did this go OT.
Falme me or not, but WAYNEBRO has been correct.
Even poor societies need small loans to do business.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:04 amAnd I never said it was. I said MOST US BUSINESSES RELY ON GETTING CREDIT, not “making loans” (that would be the job of the lender there Rockefeller), to either start or stay in businesses.
That’s the fact.
A fact that President Obama stated in his first SOTU speech.
Something you’d know if you’d paid attention.
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Either there or in school.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:04 amHey, did I mention that Grassley and Beck are both slimeballs?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:05 am(**Back OT for one post**)…
Now now Wayne, no reason to call people juveniles for thinking that the current business model of relying on bankers is wrong, its just opinion.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:05 amOkay, thats cool. I think we would be better off, as a country, to stop relying on credit, thats all.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:06 amI would venture that folks in the consulting/service industries need to rely on borrowed capital less than distributors/retailers and production/manufacturing sectors.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:06 amRUCerious:
August 15th, 2009 at 1:06 amFunny you should ask as I just brought home a few pounds of King and a little sockeye. Still I would rather be your buddies and have caught them myself. I am sort of over supplied with fish again but I hope to barter a bit tomorrow. Alaska is the shits…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:07 am
The large retail/wholesale firm I work for finances most of its expansion through turning inventory faster than the vendor’s payment terms require invoice payments.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:08 amThat said, we have a line of credit we use, sparingly.
Im getting the feeling that people are tapped out and dont want to borrow anymore. Savings rates are higher than they have been for some time.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:09 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 1:09 am
dbadass, I’m heading up the weekend of the 22nd. If Sieku doesn’t hold out, we’ll head for LaPush and get some blackies as well as our salmon…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:10 amAs I’ve said all night, MOST businesses rely on credit at one time or another, either to start business, to stay in business, or to grow business.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:11 amI still say if you want to run a business that depends on borrowing someone else’s money, go for it. And may they always have the money to lend you. And may you always enjoy giving them money for the privilege.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:11 amI have no doubt our economy will recover, but we should not forget that it was easy money that helped get us into this mess.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:12 amXisithrus, I’ve been credit card debt free for about ten years, and it just feels great.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:13 amI do however have a mortgage and a car loan…Still manage to sock away a grand a month from my second job, teaching database and programming.
And I know if we stopped relying on credit, our economy would collapse, along with our civilization, overnight.
Unless we move to a communist society where everyone gets a standard dole, credit is the way you build and bring wealth to all.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:14 amRUCerious:
August 15th, 2009 at 1:15 amSweet…I am hoping to squeeze in a Block Island Striper trip but I am not sure I can pull it off before I have to get back to my primary job. I have hooked up with a guy that can exploit some dumbass business owner that owns a boat but has no idea how to use it…
WayneBro, while you’ve made your point with me, our CFO considers using our LOC a little like staying out in the sun.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:15 amThe less you do it, the less you get burned.
dbadass says…I have hooked up with a guy that can exploit some dumbass business owner that owns a boat but has no idea how to use it…
Some guys have all the luck!! LOL!
August 15th, 2009 at 1:16 am#
And as I pointed out earlier in a very long, detailed post, that’s the great LIE.
It wasn’t easy money, or deadbeat borrowers that got us into this mess.
It was DEREGULATION of LENDERS that got us into this mess.
If the fed maintained oversight and required lenders to maintain sufficient capital to cover their increased default rates due to the sub prime market, then we’d never have gotten into this mess in the first place.
It wasn’t easy money.
It wasn’t deadbeat borrowers.
It was DEADBEAT LENDERS that brought us here.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:17 amI can make a severe distinction between consumers who feed their lust for material crap by plasticizing their money supply and feeding the usurous credit card sharks and businesses who need capital for growth, inventory and understand the cost comes off the bottom line…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:18 amFrio!
August 15th, 2009 at 1:19 amLike I said, I think easy money was part of the problem.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:21 amWell no doubt we agree that using credit “wisely” is a boon to any business or individual.
But that doesn’t mean using it niggardly. From a business sense it means using it to grow business, to create opportunity and to drive technology.
If it wasn’t for the line of credit Paul Allen got when he and Bill Gates started Microsoft, we wouldn’t have the computers we’re talking on.
The fact is, every time you use credit, you put someone, somewhere, to work. And when you put others to work, more work will come to you, one way or the other.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:22 amOnce the distinction between banks and wall street brokers was removed, banks who used to be risk averse, wanted in on all the cool made up shit wall street could feed them.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:22 amAin’t greed great?
Frio means cool, in case people were wondering. We used to go the the Frio river here in Texas.
http://www.friorivercabins.com/
August 15th, 2009 at 1:23 amThe fact is, every time you use credit, you run the risk of using the money unwisely and causing harm to your firm.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:24 amYou need to be very careful about the assumptions you make in regards to the return that applying that capital will create.
Bartleb*tch,
Your condescending tone is reminiscent of a wanky, daft-cunt.
I recommend a stringent d o u c h e ASAP.
And TRY to sound LESS like a feckless twit trying to defend your mom’s Citibank job.
As the Greeks were want to say:
August 15th, 2009 at 1:25 amGO FCUK THYSELF.
Thanks for the translate Xisithrus. I thought that was cool..heh.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:26 amDemonizing Americans who pay their bills on time does not help anything.
And the fact is if those Americans didn’t buy that new big screen, or that new Jet Ski on their Visa or with their store credit card, then the economy would GRIND TO A HALT.
The families who rely on that assembly line job starve.
The businesses who rely on the manufacturing of that memory chip or wheel base, go bankrupt.
The workers from those lose their jobs, and on down the line.
Using credit wisely still means USING credit.
And saying silly things like “not buying something you don’t have the money to pay for” makes no sense with credit.
If you had the money to pay for it you wouldn’t need the credit.
All you need is enough money, to pay the BILL.
If you pay the bill, then everyone eats tonite.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:27 amI would but your wifes handling that for me tonight.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:27 amIt was DEREGULATION of LENDERS that got us into this mess.
That and investment banks that got Glass Steagall gutted so they could sell bundled mortgages off to investors, which went muy malo
August 15th, 2009 at 1:28 amAtheism is not a religion….
August 15th, 2009 at 1:29 amWAYNE
Do you receive TERMS from your suppliers or do you GIVE TERMS to your customers?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:29 amAnd the fact is if those Americans didn’t buy that new big screen, or that new Jet Ski on their Visa or with their store credit card, then the economy would GRIND TO A HALT.
Yup. Just look at the US economy from 1955-1965. The lakes were covered with jet skis.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:29 amWell, with so much easy credit people refinanced their homes turning them into, basically, ATM machines so they could buy more stuff.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:30 amBanks have the neatest stuff. And it is so nice of them to let people store it for them.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:33 amThere’s nothing wrong with bundling mortgages into US backed securities.
The problem is when you DEREGULATE it, so as to have no control over the RISK FACTOR PERCENTAGE of those bundled mortgages, that gets you into trouble.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:33 amSeveral of my close friends recently started their own businesses. Mostly restaurant and or bar/restaurant.
Their all highly successful ond NONE of them have to bend over for their banker cause THEY DIDT BORROW ANYTHING therefore their profits are incredible.
Fcuk credit merchants. REAL money is made on your own, unless your an “idiot”, right B-b*tch?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:34 amI didn’t say I don’t use a credit card, I pay it off each month and don’t carry a balance.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:35 amBut we don’t go into debt by carrying a balance at 24%.
My reference to plasticing their money supply meant carrying a usurious balance because they can’t not buy shit they can’t pay for.
There is when the ratings folks [Standard and Poor] are paid by the people who created the SIVs and give them AAA ratings.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:36 amMight I suggest that you all consider the barter/freegan approach asan alternative economic approach? It is super hard to live off the ecomonic grid but it is easy to reduce your draw…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:36 amdbadass @#374 ~! nice worm… and sharp hook…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:36 amOh yea, your friends just walked out and bought bars and restaurants with their own money.
Sure they did.
Once more the anecdotal stories (which are used by the know nothings because they can’t be refuted) are superseded by the facts.
MOST people cannot go out and buy a bar or restaurant with the money in their pocket.
Most people don’t have a quarter of a million or more laying around to buy a bar or club with.
So MOST BARS, RESTAURANTS and CLUBS RELY ON CREDIT almost exclusively.
In fact, I doubt you know what you’re talking about, because MOST bars and restaurants have lines of credit with their vendors.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:37 amI do that with neighbors for work I do [Plumbing, car repairs etc]
August 15th, 2009 at 1:38 am347
August 15th, 2009 at 1:39 amIt seems someone has a problem with either salmon or Alaska…
Atheism is a philosophy, like Buddhism.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:39 amIn fact, I was friends with the owner of a popular club on the strip in College Park, and was there when it first opened. I was there when he was trying to get the loan to buy the place. And I was there when NIGHTHAWK and “Face Dancer” came to play because he turned it into the hottest spot on campus.
CREDIT is the life blood of most clubs, bars and restaurants.
I can’t believe I have to explain that.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:39 amGee I’m sure glad America’s farmers don’t need six figure loans to stay in business.
Oh wait…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:39 amOh, and not to brag, but I started a business with several friends 16 years ago. We generate well over $100,000 in revenue every month.
And we’ve NEVER sold anything on credit, or needed credit extended for business growth.
It’s all cash and I take 10% of gross as salary, cause our profit margin is HUGE.
Facts. Reality. A brief case history.
You
August 15th, 2009 at 1:40 amgot
NUTHIN…
Well, I’m clearly talkingto a TeaBagger crowd and for what, I don’t know.
If you don’t accept the facts of credit, and if you deny the PRESIDENTS words, then I guess Code Pink has a seat for you on the bus.
I’ve wasted enough of my friday on the teabaggers.
Nite folks.
Enjoy your jobs monday morning and remember.
Somewhere, you can thank a lender for creating it.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 amAwesome.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 amUsually the quality of the chum is often more important than the actual bait or the hook…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 amIf you saw 100,000 dollars in your life I think you’d go blind.
And selling drugs doesn’t count.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:44 amI don’t work on Mondays…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:44 amOr the mental midget sitting in a cube at TP using a handle a 12 year old would use, playing with the thread and thinking himself superior for it.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:45 amWell, sleep on it, society changes and I think that maybe credit, because of greedsters, is becoming something people are drawing away from.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:46 amWow
August 15th, 2009 at 1:46 amWhat are you so tense about Bro…
B-b*tch, such a whiny, sour grapes jealous little putz
You must be one helluva loser among losers.
And yes, all my friends successful enterprises were started with family money, earned income, or personal wealth.
Godd*mn man, does your entire 14 member extended family all live in one doublewide or what?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:46 amGoodnight Bartlebee.., er waynebro
August 15th, 2009 at 1:47 amBTW, why do you capitalize your handle? Does it make you feel more important and knowledgeable?
On a vote down rampage are we?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:47 amEnjoy your jobs monday morning and remember.
Somewhere, you can thank a lender for creating it.
No, my job was created by entrepreneurs who used their savings to startup a business twenty some years ago.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:48 amJackass.
You know Wayne, I am curiuos as to your seemingly cynical view.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:48 amDo you want me to borrow money from you Wayne?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:49 amAbusing our power as a moderator are we?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:49 amdbadass, congratulations on your promotion to TP monitor!
August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 amNow you won’t have to go and borrow money for food.
Actually, the last statemt from my accountant shows $160,537 in income revenue for a 6 week period.
You pathetic little loser…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 amLeave it to the ddumbass to spend the night voting down my comments with the rest of the sh$tpile brigade, only to whine about a lone vote to the contrar
August 15th, 2009 at 1:51 ammoderator? Do you really think so?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:51 amHow about Nihilism. Is it pronounced Nye-hil-ism or Nee-hill-sim>?>
August 15th, 2009 at 1:51 amI think this Health Insurance reform has become so tainted by lobbyists it should be dropped. Lets just extend Medicare to everyone.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:51 amFish On!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 1:52 amI can tell you with an honest face I havent voted you down.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:52 amWell don’t worry son.
I’m sure business will pick up for you.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:52 amDo moderators make more than monitors?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:53 amEnough so they don’t have to borrow money for gas?
Why wouldn’t growing pot in the basement count? Good money in it, no credit extended, of course…?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:54 amOnly if you plan on using it to take an econimics course.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:55 amWhich kolledge teeches econimics?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:56 amI think you guys have produced enough gas between you for one evening.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:56 amIm not into rote training. But, yes, I have read the materials and, you know, I just dont think the model they prescribe is the future of business.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:57 amWAYNEBRO says:
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I’ve wasted enough of my friday on the teabaggers.
Nite folks.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:58 am…………..
Please sleep with the ‘Usury for Dummies’ book under your pillow.
The same one that teaches knuckleheads to look for typos when they’ve got nothing else.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:58 amHold tight there Bro. I wanna talk moderater talk…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:59 amHow many families are homeless tonight as their credit card debt buried them?>
August 15th, 2009 at 2:01 amReally, look how the IMF uses loans to force countries to comply with economic things that are not in their best interest.
Loans are one thing, but using them for control?
I dont think so.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:01 amThe tea baggers have nothing on you guys.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:02 amI know you were joking, Wayne, about giving me a loan if I went to an economics course, but thats the problem I have with loans that have ulterior motives placed in them.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:02 amI missed 409
August 15th, 2009 at 2:03 amWas that a typo?
Often loans are made that give businesses ultimatums. I dont agree with that.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:03 amYou never answered my question about your CAPITALIZED handle Wayne. What is that about?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:03 amThe tea baggers have nothing on you guys.
– Sure they do. It’s my sac….
August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 amThe entertainment biz “been berry, berry good dah me!”
It’s a long way to the top if you wanna rock-n-roll.
Oh, and I do know a guy who gets hefty consulation fees for designing “indoor hydroponic gardens”. Amazing tomatoes I must say!
August 15th, 2009 at 2:04 amCalling us Teabaggers makes you feel good, Wayne, knock yourself out.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:05 amWell gee “RUC”, I’ve had the same handle for a year or so now.
Suddenly tonight it’s an issue?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:05 amOh, and I do know a guy who gets hefty consulation fees for designing “indoor hydroponic gardens”. Amazing tomatoes I must say!
I never tried smoking a tomato.
Heh
August 15th, 2009 at 2:06 amTry the Tomacco. It’s marvelous…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:08 amconsalation?
More like consolation.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:11 amdbadass says:
Try the Tomacco. It’s marvelous..
Lol.
I have a few tomato and pepper plants in the backyard, got some jalapenos but not tomatos yet [Burpee]
August 15th, 2009 at 2:11 amI gave you a vote up 435 cause I dont care if folks use caps.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:12 amWAYNE
Stay with me baby.
Don’t go to those jerks dbadass and RUCerious.
They will use you, abuse you, and probably steal your credit cards.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:13 amSounds like salsa. Never ever plant tomitillos.Those bastards take over…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:13 amCograts RUCerious on your promotion to jerk. Welcome to the team. You’ll be expected to bring nondairy creamer once every 4 months…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:17 amOMG, the tomacco, I had totally forgotten them!
Kinda like Mighty Aphrodite from years back.
The California medicinal herbals are more than adequate, but the supply farmers business is INSANE.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:17 amThose Bastids! The dirt here is not so good. Dry amd cracked during the summer and sticky clay when wet in the spring
August 15th, 2009 at 2:17 amYou’re right.
Theirs are likely larger.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:22 amIs it the size of the sac or is it more the quality of the chum? Either way Fish ON! Maybe the mate should get the gaff…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:26 amI see little difference.
Go look at the start of this tea bagging party.
I make a few reasonable, detailed and specific comments in a respectful tone to moron number one. Moron number two jumps in and calls me an idiot. I respond mildly, and in comes the TEA BAG BRIGADE, shouting down anything I say. Sucking each other off and patting each other on the back.
Just like you always do.
Because there isn’t a brain among the lot of you capable of actually debating me one on one.
So you use the tactics of the TEA BAGGERS.
Shout em down.
Pat each other on the a$$.
What’s the diff?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:26 amRemember you only get one vote…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:28 amNow if you can just get 9 of your friends together…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:30 amAnd you tea baggers combine yours.
So?
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So what’s your point?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:31 amEasy there Bro. Try doing the Mountain. That is so calming…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:31 amYum, yum, yum… salsa.
Sunshine ripe tomatoes, cleaned (throw away the seeds), chopped along with chopped onion, a little bit of cilantro, salt and a few drops of lemon or lime.
Tomatillos.
Very sour, still tasty. They are ripe when they become yellowish and soft. Discard the shell. Take a handful and simmer in one cup of water until soft. Roast 3 or 4 cloves of garlic. Put half the quantity of onion into a blender and then chop to mid thickness. Add salt to taste.
Salsa Verde! Tangy! Great with grilled beef or pork chops.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:31 amWayne, I never shouted you down. And I never engaged in personal attacks.
We disagree on how credit is used on the abuse of credit we seem to agree.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:32 amWhy’d you vote down 445? Was it the soil?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:33 amOh look. Ddumbass thinks by calling me angry somehow inflates his position.
Sorry scumbag, but it takes a lot more than some two bit punk with a tough sounding handle hiding in a blog to upset me.
But feel free to suggest conditions which might.
I’m all ears.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:34 amIn case that marble rolling around in your empty noggin hasn’t figured it out yet, there’s someone else in here, who apparently choose not to place themselves in the line of fire of the teabag boys brigade, but still doesn’t like what you have to say.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:35 amI dunno who voted it down. I was not lying when I say I dont care about people using caps, I have never understood the ‘your shouting’ etiquette thing. But thats just me.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:37 amThat’s all you did.
You and the rest of the tea bag boys.
That’s all you clowns ever do.
Can’t debate so you obfuscate.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:37 amWhich position would that be? That one we talked aboout back in 432
August 15th, 2009 at 2:37 amI tried being reasonable and respectful, and for it I got a one way ticket to the Tea Baggers ball.
Par for the course with this bunch.
There’s little difference between you and them, other than you tend to be on the right side of an issue more often.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:38 amWhere? I typed my opinion, which, btw is not a fact.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:38 amIf you’re too lazy to post the comment you’re referring to, then I’m too lazy to scroll up too.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:39 amNo you didn’t.
You engaged in a tit for tat nonsense debate with juvenile responses, petty word games and a pile on with the rest of the TeaBag party.
I’ve dealt with you chowderheads before, and no doubt if I want to post in here, I’ll have to deal with it again.
The only satisfaction in it is in knowing that not one of you is capable of going toe to toe with me alone, on the issues I am debating.
Not one of you.
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Never were.
Likely never will be.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:41 amCan’t debate so you obfuscate
August 15th, 2009 at 2:41 am—
No I am just amused when you pontificate…
Actually I enjoyed getting your view on things Wayne. Heck, people all have their views, sheet, you ought to try working in a hangar full of yahoos who disagree, with great gusto, on if they are right or wrong.
And so I learned to butt heads at work and then go have a beer afterwards, its all good.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:43 amI’m all ears.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:43 am– Well I am sorry about that. Have you ever utilized a pedegree to see which parent to blame?
As opposed to your posts, which “equate” to “defecate”?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:43 amYea, I thought so.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:44 amYou engaged in a tit for tat nonsense debate with juvenile responses, petty word games and a pile on with the rest of the TeaBag party.
Thats your view of what transpired, that others agreed or disagreed with your view should not be, I think, taken personally, I didnt take it as such.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:44 amIt’s all something.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:46 amIn fact I discuss politics and business with few people because it often ends in someone getting angry. If thats the case, where grown people take it personally, I wont discuss these issues as its not personal to me.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:47 amIts something, but not something I let my emotions get the better of me.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:48 amAs opposed to your posts, which “equate” to “defecate”?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:48 am–
Nice effort…
Really, when it gets to name calling such as your stupid, your an idiot, whatever, and people get angry, you know, thats not debate. Thats elementary school taunts and I refuse to engage in them.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:50 amSo why did you guys start doing that?
I wasn’t the one who called someone “stupid” or “idiot”.
That came from your Tea Baggers brigade.
Not me.
I just responded in kind.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:52 amBe the bigger person. We can agree to disagree and still be civil with one another.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:52 am464 WAYNE
Yes. We are not worthy.
Go and do your victory laps in your underwear around the neighborhood.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:53 amDon’t like it, then a good solution is to not start it or debate on the side of those who do.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:53 amThere are no winners, or losers, in arguments of opinion as they are not facts.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:54 amWell when one of you is able to have a debate with me without resorting to the TeaBagger Assslapping methodology, you let me know.
To date, that has not been the case.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:54 amI say the sky is black.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:55 amI say that green is red.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:56 amAnd when you feel tempted call your mentor…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:56 amWell, my Falwellian Noodle Man in the sky methodology trumps Teabagger Assslapping.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:58 am483
August 15th, 2009 at 2:58 amYour sister probably doesn’t..
Fords Suck!!
August 15th, 2009 at 2:59 am483
Your sister probably doesn’t..
She thinks red is green =)
August 15th, 2009 at 3:00 amAnd there’s the rub.
You want to take the facts I produce, and call them “opinion”.
Well it’s not “my opinion” that MOST US small businesses rely on some form of credit at one time or another.
And it’s not my opinion that most major business ventures are funded by CREDIT.
That’s just fact.
And it wasn’t “my opinion” that made the President of the United States come out on February 29th, 2009 and state that we need to get CREDIT FLOWING FOR SMALL BUSINESS to bring back our economy.
That’s fact.
Painting fact as opinion is the way of the RNC.
And the Teabaggers.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:00 amI love when they go into megaego overload. The mechanisms of self identification are so interesting…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:01 amYou want to take the facts I produce, and call them “opinion”.
Obama did say that. But what I think they are trying to do is reignite the securitization market
August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 am488:
August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 amWow both your parents agreed…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Actually, I think they prefer to frame words a la Luntz.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:04 amHe wasn’t talking about securities when he was talking about loans for homes and businesses making payroll.
He made that clear.
Now you’re offering your opinion of what he said, that differs from what he said, and that’s not being honest.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:05 amNaw, my parents said the sky is blue.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:05 amHe was talking about driving the economy.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:06 amSure but when the folks look at a circle filled with different colored dots with a number in the middle, what do they see?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:07 amI am not disagreeing on the actual words spoken, but by looking at the actions of the Fed ad Treasury what I see is that they are trying to get the securitizatrion market going.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:07 amAnd here, while you’re busy still employing the TeaBaggers methods by speaking nonsense in a smug, mocking tone with others, allow me to drive the lid shut on that last coffin you dug up for yourself.
Read this, and put aside the nonsense for a minute.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:07 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Dots.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:09 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Yet I was Tea bagged all night, for saying these exact same words.
Ponder that, and you’ll understand the nature of our “debate” this evening.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:11 amWAYNEBRO says: He was talking about driving the economy.
I agree with that, its the method we disagree on. I say its to jump start securitization.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:11 amIt had little to do with what was being said, and everything to do with who was saying it.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:12 amI was out walking the dog and never read that post.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:12 amBro:
August 15th, 2009 at 3:14 amYou’ll need a little chill. Do you have that wii fit thing with the candle?
I dont take politicians words seriously as they are often talking rhetorically.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:15 amAnd once more you twist facts not because we disagree, but because it’s me who disagrees.
See, there’s no possible even remote stretch one could make, for US securities being “jump started” by college tuition’s being paid to state govt.
And there’s little ties to small businesses not publicly traded that has to do with “securitization” as you put it.
You’re just grasping.
Looking for a point.
Any point to disagree with me on.
Even if you have to invent something so non credible as this.
Sure the securities markets were a huge factor but that was covered by the propping up of failed mortgages, NOT making student loans.
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You rest my case.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:16 amYou clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:17 am:|
Time for another comment about fishing I believe.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:18 amMy kid caught her first bass…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:20 amMy kid caught her first bass…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:21 amMy kid caught her first bass…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:21 amWill three be okay?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:25 amGo Teabaggers, go.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:25 amSheesh! I really don’t know why rational people, myself included, can argue like this when we have an amorphous mob of mental defectives arming themselves at record rates.
I only read about the last dozen posts and have no idea what anyone is arguing about. I couldn’t care less and I’m going to bed no matter what anyone says. I spent the evening with good friends, good food, and good music. I’m more than half drunk and I’m going to sleep like a baby. But…?
I think it’s a bit silly to spend much of our energy arguing about the long term plans of Congress while they are in recess. I really think we should be more concerned about that mob which keeps growing in rage if not actual numbers. We should be worried about public safety. Most everything else seems secondary at this point.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-show-i-am-mob
August 15th, 2009 at 3:28 amYour assuming what I would say. The fact is I am giving you my opinion on what I think it meant
August 15th, 2009 at 3:29 amPresident Barak Obama
August 15th, 2009 at 3:30 amState of the Union
February 24th, 2009
Is that a fact?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:31 amWhen there is no lending, families can’t afford to buy homes or cars.
BS, they just have to save before buying and in the long run it would cost them less.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:32 amI feel like Jane Goodall…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:32 amI’m “assuming what you WOULD say”?
No.
I responded to what you DID say.
You gave your “opinion” and your “opinion” is a complete fallacy.
If you give your “opinion” that 2+2 = 6, then that doesn’t make it right.
Oh sure, you’re “entitled to your opinion”, just like a little baby who thinks the moon is made of green cheese.
But it’s just nonsense.
There is no tie to the securities markets and making loans for colleges, or small businesses not publicly traded.
Sorry kiddo, but 2+2 does not equal 6.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:33 amBS BS BS. You are not taking fractionalized banking into consideration. A bank can loan out eight times over a deposit that is made by a family saving for a home.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:34 amProbably look like her too.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:34 am:|
Or one of her subjects.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 amTeabagger!!!!
Heh
August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 amWhat does that have to do with making college tuitions, or driving small business.
See the problem here is the President goes out of his way to EXPLAIN what he means.
He doesn’t mince words.
He spells it out.
Here. Since you’re too stupid to get it the first 300 times.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:36 amdbadass says:
I feel like Jane Goodall…
Dead? [joking]
August 15th, 2009 at 3:37 amOT:
Good morning, dbadass. Congratulate your daughter on her first bass for me. I caught my one and only striper when I was about nine or ten.
I haven’t been fishing myself lately but a friend recently came back from a visit to the Canadian Shield lakes and brought back some succulent walleyes and a 22″ natural “splake” that was simply incredible broiled with a little lemon and dill.
G’night.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:38 am
What does that have to do with making college tuitions, or driving small business.
You dont understand fractionalized banking? If you deposit [actually its a loan to the bank] they can, and do, lend out your loan some eight times over for such things as college tuition or small business loans.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:39 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:40 am
No, I pay cash.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:40 amYou were talking about securities.
Now you’re talking about banks abilities to lend.
You’re all over the board, trying to find something to disagree with me on (and be right about).
Yes, I understand how banking works. And I also understand how small business works.
And small business relies on the flow of credit, which was my first and prime position since the start of the evening.
I’ve proven that point 100 times over tonight, and you’re here at this wee hour of the morning, desperately trying to find something to be “right about”.
I understand more than banking son.
I understand you.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:42 amYet credit makes banks money which helps banks. These banks then use their profits, usury, to lobby congress for its special interests. Democracy is not about special interestts. Our country gas been undermined by bankers who had slipped thru legislation to undermine our currency. I cannot abide by some private cartel that uses its monetary influence to undermine our constitution,
August 15th, 2009 at 3:46 amFor example, since we’ve had these debates before, I understand that when you’ve “stupided” yourself into a corner, you turn to lying and deceit.
Like this comment.
See the President didn’t say that.
He said something quite different.
He said;
The ability to get a loan is how you finance the purchase of everything from a home to a car to a college education; how stores stock their shelves, farms buy equipment, and businesses make payroll.
You pruned the quote, completely changing the meaning, then post it to continue a meaningless debate that you lost 4 hours ago.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:47 amI will not, ever, help banks.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:47 amYea yea yea, tell it at your next WTO protest junior.
As usual, the real you comes out in the end.
Just another child who can’t debate me, so he turns to teabagger tactics, pretend mister nice guy, and finally lies and rants.
You’ve been weighed, measured.
And found sorely wanting.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 amYou didn’t know what you were talking about when the debate started.
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And you know even less about it now.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:49 amYou cant participate in a debate and then claim yourself the moderator of the debate and the winner of said debate.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:49 amYour not the moderator of the debate.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:50 amAre you saying that banks dont use fractionalized banking?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:51 amI “participated” all night, even when the TEA BAG BOYS came out to shout me down.
As for the winner, there is no winner when you’re debating someone who has no actual point, other than to disagree with whatever you say.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:51 amNice projection
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 amI’m saying you’re a moron who a minute ago was talking about securities and now is talking about the ability of a bank to make loans against deposits.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 amA fact no doubt attested to by the balance in your Christmas club account.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:54 amI was talking about securities, thats true, but whem you started talking about families needing loans to buy a home them it became about loans versus saving for a home.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:56 amWell lets see.
My position has been repeated almost verbatim, for the entire night.
Over and over and over.
Yours however has gone from credit being bad, to securities being what the President was talking about when he talked on making student loans, to the ability of a bank to make loans against deposits.
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Nice reverse projection.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:56 amOh yea, and you lie.
Like you are now, since I was talking about SMALL BUSINESS LOANS.
And I also referenced the student loans.
You tried pawning off the quotes I produced of the Presidents as being about invigorating the securities industry and I pointed out it was much more than that.
You said your “opinion” was it did not.
I pointed out that your “opinion” was stupid, and didn’t supersede the facts.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 amActually you talked of teabaggersm being piled on, and money being nothind.
No, you said it was the lenders that caused the current problem [credit bad]
BTW student loans are being securitized just like mortgages
August 15th, 2009 at 4:01 amThats your opinion,
August 15th, 2009 at 4:02 amIts not a lie, if you make s deposit [which is a loan to the bank] then your money can be lent out for small business loans.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:04 amIt was the mortgage backed US securities that were the issue, and hence the market that needed “invigorating”.
Hence once more you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:05 amI agreed that the president said what he said. Thats a fact. What I disagree about is your interpretation of what those words mean. They mean different things to different people and your interpretation is not a fact.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:07 amNo one questioned that re-energizing the securities investment markets were a topic.
But you tried taking the driving of small business, and the local economy which was the focus of the quotes I produced, and turning them into nothing but securities.
And you did that because when I produced the quotes, you weren’t man enough to admit that I had been right, and that credit DOES drive small business.
In fact, like the dumb mutherf$#ker you are, you’ve spent the entire night arguing against that one point I made from the get go, along with apparently arguing now that it wasn’t credit lenders not sufficiently maintaining capital that damaged the market, and not ‘deadbeat borrowers”.
And like the dumb mutherf$#ker I am, I let a rube like you, along with the idiots you piled on with, waste my Friday night.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:09 amThats true, however ANY loan can be bundled into a SIV and that includes student loans and car loans that can and are being securitized.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:10 amIts not my interpretation moron, when the President EXPLAINS what he means.
But continue to call him a liar.
You’ve pretty much crossed the line of honor about two hours back.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:10 amAnd here, for the record, so as not to wain in the light of your constant revisions, here’s what “I” said junior.
I’ll say this. I like you don’t like seeing 20 somethings getting big houses. But when I look closer at that sentiment I realize that it’s;
A. Founded in a generalization that is based on a small minority of home sales and does not represent the overall picture with regards to mortgage lending and home sales.
B. More sour grapes from a surly old fart like me who had to wait till he was in his 40’s to buy a home. We had to do more to get ours and it irks us when the whippersnappers get theirs easier than we did.
I do know some people who’s bought homes more expensive than they could afford but those people either sold them, or went out and made more money to pay for them.
A mortgage is a mortgage. Either you can pay it or you can’t.
And I muse back to my own parents when I was just a little boy, and they were in their late 20’s and 30’s, and we were renting. I remember how determined they were to buy and buy then, and how much it meant to them to own rather than “living by anothers leave”. In 65 we bought our first home in MD, I think it was like 10 thousand bucks or something which was a lot back then. Dad was a carpenter so we didn’t make much, and they struggled to make the payments sometimes. But they did. And we always had a home of our own after that, and it instilled in us kids a sense of ownership and the self respect that comes from growing up on your own land.
So really it comes down to putting the spotlight on a small demograph of home buyers, mostly who didn’t buy so much out of their means as simply turning out to be irresponsible, rather than putting the spotlight where it belongs, i.e on the greedy lenders who lent money they did not have lend, and who squandered profits from interest payments rather than keeping sufficient capital on hand to handle the defaults from their higher risk borrowers.
The govt and the lenders want us to believe this was OUR fault, and that we are all deadbeats.
They sold that lie by taking over hyped figures from a California based firm called RealtyTrac, and waving them at people saying “look, everyones defaulting on their mortgages”.
The truth was only a very small percent back in 06, 07 and 08 were defaulting on their mortgages, but the media fueled on by the lending lobby showed figures out of context, such as showing default rates in certain high volume areas like Vegas, and presenting them as if they represented figures across the board. The truth is back in 2007 and 08, we had about 1 percent of all mortgages being written going into default, meaning 98 to 99 percent of mortgages were good, and MOST borrowers were meeting their obligations as agreed.
It was a specific group of investors and regions where the skullduggery took place, and most Americans were not deadbeats. It was the LENDERS who were the deadbeats by squandering profits from high interest rates rather than using them to keep sufficient capital on hand to handle the naturally higher default rates created by lending to a higher risk demograph.
Essentially they adopted the sub prime market to lend to a higher risk demograph, then acted as if they never expected a higher rate of default. THAT was made possible by deregulation, where the fed no longer took careful steps to ensure lenders were properly assessing risk and maintaining sufficient capital on hand to cover the higher default rates that naturally accompany increased risk.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:11 amWAYNEBRO says: No one questioned that re-energizing the securities investment markets were a topic.
Of course it is, when Obama spoke of student loans thats whats happening with them
August 15th, 2009 at 4:11 amI didnr call him a liar and he didnt explain exactly what he meant.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:13 amSee the President understands that small business means free flow credit.
The President also understands that MOST JOBS in this country are created by SMALL BUSINESS.
Hence, small businesses rely on credit.
Like I said 5 hours ago.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:13 amSee the fact is you don’t even know what you’re arguing.
I said credit is the life blood of small business. I said small business relies on credit.
And you’ve been trying to argue with me all night over nothing.
Because at the end of the day, even a rube like you can’t deny that small businesses rely on credit.
Even though you and the two other stooges spent your friday night, saying it wasn’t so.
It is so.
And your “opinion” doesn’t change that.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:15 amThe problem, I say, is liquidity. Its why Bernanke has pumped a trilliom into the equities and FED interest rates are still zero.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:16 amYet thats not what is happening. Banks still arent lending as they are hoarding money.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:16 amlivelongandprosper says:
August 15th, 2009 at 4:17 amRecall the burning of Dixie Chick CD’s? I think we should have a book burning with Beck, Coulter and a few others.
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I’m down for that, especially Malkin’s books!!
And your opinion doesn’t convert the President’s Small Business Development initiatives into nothing but worrying about the securities markets.
Sure that’s a factor, and if you had half a brain you’d know I’ve spent countless hours in this blog talking about the securities markets.
But what I said this evening, what I said that made you squirrel up and argue was SMALL BUSINESSES RELY ON CREDIT.
You and the other morons said it does not.
And you gave anecdotal nonsense to try and prove otherwise.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:18 amSee?
Now you’re trying to shift to another topic, desperately looking for something to debate or get a point on.
I never said they were lending dumbass.
Of course, maybe they’re just not lending, to you.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:18 amThat is their problem, if they are relying on credit to exist then maybe, like GM, which could not get private loans, they need to go bankrupt
August 15th, 2009 at 4:20 amAccording to you I already lost. Besides the topics are very much related in terms of finance.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:20 amIf banks arent lending, then isnt that cutting off the lifeblood [credit] of small business?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:21 amIts not a different subject at all
August 15th, 2009 at 4:23 amlol, so now, after 5 solid hours of debate, you just admit that my point is right.
And then you abandon America’s small businesses, because they rely on credit as they have since the day this country was formed.
And yes there was credit then too, only we threw them in prison for not paying their bills. Debtors prison. A neoconservative ideal.
Well sorry you don’t like America, and the capitalist society we’ve had for 200 years plus, but feel free to leave it any time.
:D
And you can take your savings account with you.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:23 amI have not applied for any loans.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:24 amI am not a banker and its not up to me to give loans to small biz.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:25 amWell sorry you don’t like America, and the capitalist society we’ve had for 200 years plus, but feel free to leave it any time.
I like America just fine. BTW the private FED came into being in 1913 and thats when you the republic your were given, was lost. AND nowhere in the constitution does it talk of capitalism.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:27 amThis idiot spends all night arguing small businesses don’t rely on credit, and that President Obama when he spoke about driving small business by helping them get credit, that he “really didn’t mean it”, and now, after wasting his (and my) entire night, he says’ “IF they rely on credit, f#4k em”.
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Never mind that small business is the NUMBER one job creator in the country.
Never mind that tens of MILLIONS of Americans jobs, and their families rely on small business to survive.
Never mind that without their using credit (along with consumers) MILLIONS of Americans working for credit agencies and the firms who support them would lose their jobs.
:D
No sirreee, never mind all that.
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Because some moron in a blog calling himself “Xisithrus” says screw em.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:28 amSo, no, we did not have a capitalistic society for two hundred years. The constitution gave the power to value currency to the government for, by amd of the people, not a group of private bankers.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:29 am:D
Let them eat cake.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:29 amlol. says the historical genius.
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Or is that hysterical?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:31 amWAYNEBRO says:
This idiot spends all night arguing small businesses don’t rely on credit
Scroll back, I never said business doesnt use credit, I said that I think they rely to heavily upon it and we, as a country, would be better off if we did not rely so heavily on credit.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:31 amI suppose you think name calling might anger me, or cause me to fold my arms and legs into my chest and sob uncontrollaly.
Wont work.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:33 amNo sir, don’t get to change the subject again troll.
We’re sticking with your last little diddy.
America according to you, was not founded on free enterprise (i.e. capitalism) and was not made powerful on the backs of creditors, (i.e. Wells Fargo, Brinks, etc).
There were no banks in the 1700’s, or 1800s. There were no lenders. No notes of credit.
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And I guess those “debtors prisons” were just fairy tales too.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:33 amAmerica according to you, was not founded on free enterprise (i.e. capitalism) and was not made powerful on the backs of creditors, (i.e. Wells Fargo, Brinks, etc).
Actually, it was founded by communal pilgrims
August 15th, 2009 at 4:35 amLike I said earlier, you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:35 amYou can repeat your opinion all you want it still doesnt make it a fact
August 15th, 2009 at 4:36 amYeh, the indians around plymouth rock traded notes and bonds with a bunch of pilgrims
*rolls eyes*
August 15th, 2009 at 4:38 amThe pilgrims were communal, like Jesus and his followers were.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:40 amThis ones a keeper.
:D
Uhh, don’t know how to break it to you, but the Pilgrims were here a little earlier than 200 years ago.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:42 amAnd when they were here, …..it wasn’t the United States of America, wasn’t even formed.
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Now I have to teach you first grade?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:44 amUhh, don’t know how to break it to you, but the Pilgrims were here a little earlier than 200 years ago.
Sure, and Washington was not the first president either.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:44 amComputer. 500 dollars.
Monitor. 750 dollars.
The “pilgrims”.
:D
Priceless.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:45 amWAYNEBRO says: And when they were here, …..it wasn’t the United States of America, wasn’t even formed.
America is a land mass, nothing more, and yes it was formed a long time ago.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:46 amWAYNEBRO says: Computer. 500 dollars. Monitor. 750 dollars.
Lousianna purchase. worthless beads
August 15th, 2009 at 4:47 am:|
So you’re saying you DO need me to teach you first grade?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:47 amUhh, no, when saying in a discussion on the United States of America, “America” one normally is referring to the United STATES of America.
America for short.
Now had we been discussing geography, then perhaps you could slide that one past.
But now you’re showing what lying sack of sh$t, you really are.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:49 amSo you’re saying you DO need me to teach you first grade?
Rote BS.
Peyton Randolph of Virginia was the first president of the Continental Congress in 1774, so he also could be called the first president.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:49 amWe’re discussing the economy of the United States, and this idiot tries pulling off that America suddenly refers to a “land mass”.
:D
Holy sh$t.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:50 amWell, no, the American continent includes south America.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:51 amWAYNEBRO says:
We’re discussing the economy of the United States, and this idiot tries pulling off that America suddenly refers to a “land mass”.
Is it an island?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:52 amNewsflash junior.
The United States of America, wasn’t formed until two years later.
:D
This just keeps getting better and better.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:52 amUhh, no genius.
It’s a country.
Now if you’re referring to the “Land Mass”, then you need to specify “NORTH” or “SOUTH” America.
:D
Come on, ….yer jus funnin me now, right?
You knew that, right?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:54 amAugust 15th, 2009 at 4:55 am
The United States of America, wasn’t formed until two years later.
Pfft, still the same land mass…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:55 amDo I need a teaching degree for this?
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I’m not going to get into trouble with the teachers union am I?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 amNow if you’re referring to the “Land Mass”, then you need to specify “NORTH” or “SOUTH” America.
I guess Texas was part of that USA in 1776?
LOL.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:57 amNo I dont, when I say America I mean both north and south.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:58 amLOL, uhh no crazy person who thinks the US was formed in 1774 and the first President of the United States was Peyton Randolph of Virginia.
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No, its not the “same land mass”.
There’s two continents.
North America.
And South America.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:59 amAnd when referring to them in general, you say “the Americas”, thus distinguishing them from the United States of America, or “America”.
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You must be a foreigner, huh?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:59 amThe nation was founded by thirteen colonies of Great Britain located along the Atlantic seaboard. On July 4, 1776, they issued the Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed their independence from Great Britain and their formation of a cooperative union
Hardly the fifty states of today we call the USA.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:00 amI say tomahtoe you say toemaytoe
August 15th, 2009 at 5:02 amAnd it was a declaration of independence, not a declaration that the 48 states we, today, call the USA.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:03 amWhat are you “LOL”ing about?
You just claimed America doesn’t mean the US, that North and South America are a single land mass, that George Washington was not the first US President, and that the Pilgrims monetary system has something to do with our discussion on US Capitalism.
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I mean you should have quit when your tag team tea baggers were here.
Now you’ve just proven yourself to be a complete and utter idiot.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:03 amuhhh, no Claudius, 2 plus 2 does not equal 6, as I told you earlier.
Your baby like clinging to your right to an opinion, doesn’t alter facts.
America does not equal the land mass.
Its not another way of saying it.
America refers to the United STATES of America.
If you’re referring to geography, then you need to specify WHICH America you’re referring to.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:05 amThe one in the South, or the one in the North, which includes Canada, and Mexico.
America means the US.
Not the continent.
That’s not opinion.
That’s fact.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:06 amYou just claimed America doesn’t mean the US
In 1776 Texas didnt exist. Back then it didnt mean 48 contiguois states. When I say America I am talking continets, not invisible boundaries
August 15th, 2009 at 5:06 amIf you tell a customs agent at any other country in the world that you’re from “America”, then that means you are from the US.
Not the “land mass”.
:D
Bawahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhaahahhaaa
August 15th, 2009 at 5:06 amAmerica means the US.
No, it means 48 states on the continent of America.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:08 amUnited States of America [continent]
August 15th, 2009 at 5:08 amIt doesnt say United States of ALL America.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 amOF America. See that little word in there? It says OF.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 amBWAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAA
August 15th, 2009 at 5:10 amMEXICO is acountry OF the American continent
LMAO
August 15th, 2009 at 5:12 amCanada is a country of the American continent.
Hawaii is a state, but its not OF the American continent
HAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA
August 15th, 2009 at 5:12 amBoy you’re digging even deeper.
A. Texas wasn’t even in our discussion, unless now you’re telling me the Pilgrims were in Texas.
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B. When you say “America”, you’re not talking about Land Mass. You’re talking about the United States. If you’re talking about land mass then you have to specify WHICH one you’re referring to.
There are two.
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C. We were not having a geography discussion. We have been talking for 6 straight hours about credit in the UNITED STATES. Suddenly you claim that we haven’t been a capitalist society for the last 200 years. TWO HUNDRED years. Then you reference the pilgrims “communal living”, even though the pilgrims were here in the 1600’s, long before the US was even formed.
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D. Then when you’re cornered on that, you ignore your “TWO HUNDRED” year calculation, and the fact that the pilgrims were not here 200 years ago, and start declaring that George Washington was not the first US President.
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Then when I point out that the US wasn’t even formed yet, you start claiming that America doesn’t mean the United States, and that you didn’t mean the United States.
And all this based on the notion that apparently you think we should go back to the society of the Pilgrims (who lived in miserable conditions of famine, pestilence and poverty).
August 15th, 2009 at 5:20 amAnd the irony of it, is you said “TWO HUNDRED YEARS”, which rules out the pilgrims anyway.
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It’s like you’re the stupidest person, or the biggest liar I’ve ever spoken too.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:21 amuhh, that’s right moron.
That’s why when we say “AMERICA”, we don’t mean MEXICO.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:23 amThats why some really smart people called the CONTINENT TO THE NORTH, “NORTH America”.
And the CONTINENT TO THE SOUTH, “SOUTH AMERICA”.
So we’d know which “Land Mass” was being referenced.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:23 amSo when I tell people I’m an “American”, they know I’m referring to the United States of America.
Because that is the GLOBAL MEANING OF THE WORD.
Otherwise, when I said I was “American”, they’d not know whether I was from Mexico, Canada, the US, or any of the 12 countries of South America.
“America” means the US.
NORTH America, refers to the Continent.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:27 amAnd if you don’t believe me, I’m sure I can find a 4th grader to explain it to you.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:27 am:|
Or any dictionary, encyclopedia, or geography book on the planet.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:27 amOf course, all this is moot.
Because you said in the last 200 years, when referencing the PILGRIMS.
Which of course rules out the Pilgrims, since they were here as I pointed out, many years prior to that.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:31 amWell, lets see. Is there any other things you’d like to debate with me or is your clock about as clean as you’d like it for now?
August 15th, 2009 at 5:35 amFine, I’ll check in on you tomorrow to see if Dolly Madison becomes our first astronaut in space.
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In the meantime, I’ll leave you with this.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:45 amSorry, missed this one.
The number of states has nothing to do with it.
The Declaration of Independence formed the United States of America on July 4th, 1776.
Prior to that, we were known as the 13 colonies.
Not the US.
So yes, it was the document that formed the country that we now call the USA.
In fact, the document itself states that at the top.
Prior to that there was no “United States”.
There was the 13 colonies.
So yes, the United States of America was formed, July 4th, 1776.
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Which is why we celebrate that date as the anniversary of our country every year for the past 233 years.
As any 1st grader, can tell you.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:15 amAnd yes, George Washington was the first US President.
And no, the Pilgrims were not here 200 years ago.
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And yes, I’ll see if I can find a FIRST grader, to explain these things to you.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:16 amAgain, I leave you with this.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:25 am
I love the way the Right have morphed from fascist wannabees to government-hating libertarians overnight.
Yesterday they were clicking their heels and conferring dictatorial powers on The Worst President Ever™.
Today, they’re loading their muskets and marching shoulder-to-shoulder with the Founding Fathers. This is why we call them wingnuts.
Bait & Switch
August 15th, 2009 at 6:35 amGrassley would have done better passing out books about “ALICE IN WONDERLAND”, it would have been better reading. Glen Beck is a Complete and total “IDIOT”. If he has a book, someone else wrote and he had nothing to do but sign his name. The guy is an insult to journalism.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:55 amWAYNEBRO says:
All this based on the notion that apparently you think we should go back to the society of the Pilgrims (who lived in miserable conditions of famine, pestilence and poverty).
Wanyebro, that’s exactly what the repugs have been doing, good observation.
WAYNEBRO says:
Otherwise, when I said I was “American”, they’d not know whether I was from Mexico, Canada, the US, or any of the 12 countries of South America.
Waynebro, it’s always been my experience that people usually will identify themselves by saying, “I’m Mexican”, or “Brazilian”, or “Canadian” and even “American” as an identifier. So I don’t understand how anyone would not know that you were not an “American” which means that your from the US?
We could venture further and go into different segments of having to identify specifics where you might have to explain that you are still “American”, i.e. I’m Irish-American, or Mexican-American but I was born in Montana, African-American, Afro-Caribbean American’s and even Anglo-American.
I’m sure most of us have never introduced ourselves as being from the “Americas.”
August 15th, 2009 at 7:08 amWAYNEBRO says:
And yes, George Washington was the first US President.
And no, the Pilgrims were not here 200 years ago.
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And yes, I’ll see if I can find a FIRST grader, to explain these things to you.
You need to get your facts in order:
The Plymouth Colony was established here in North America between 1620-1691 and the first settlement was that of New Plymouth.
But America did not become the “United States of America” until the ratification of the “Declaration of Independence” in 1776 which at that time only united the original 13 colonies as one and not as a Represenative of the State.
Unless, my math is incorrect the Pilgrims have been here for over 200 years.
And there were 8 presidents before George Washington with John Hanson being the first who established the Great Seal of the United States; created the first Treasury Department, Foreign Affairs Department and the Secretary of War.
George Washington was the first US President elected under the “Deceleration of Independence”, that’s why he is alwasy sited as being the first President of the United States and not as a “Represenative of the State of” which was how the colonial leaders would introduce themselves as.
Maybe, you should find the FIRST grader to explain this to you or better yet I”ll go get a 4th grader.
August 15th, 2009 at 7:44 amDear Waynebro and Xisthrus –
I know that you two are having a fascinating personal conversation here but could I break in and ask you to debate the pressing question of “how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?”?
LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am#83 Xisithrus says:
“The result of preventing failure in a country rooted in freedom is a country that is no longer rooted in logic.” -Glen Beck
Does that explain the origin and existence of Beck’s execrable book?
Cheers,
August 15th, 2009 at 8:06 amWayneboro,
August 15th, 2009 at 8:34 amMom just called and said for you to put on your drooling bib “BEFORE” you leave the house for the day-care center this morning!She also said that she know’s you’re 35,but the day-care center has been complaining about your drooling on everything and everybody lately.
If we could take a break from the back-and-forth here:
1. I find it interesting that Grassley is looking for the book on tape. Does this mean he doesn’t remember the things he reads? ‘Cause I’m pretty sure you have to read bills.
2. This should crack the perception that Beck is not totally a libertarian. Yes, he may believe that he speaks for the average American, but he’s only being listened to by the GOP’s supporters and now by the GOP themselves. I don’t believe that this is due to Beck transforming the GOP’s base itself, but I don’t think we’ll see proof until the next election cycle.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:05 amOy. Another WAYNEBRO-driven obese thread.
Have fun, youse guys
August 15th, 2009 at 10:32 amIt must be a sad existence to have to be right, all the time, and everybody else has to be wrong, all the time.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:42 amThe Pilgrims??? You’re both wrong! Jamestown was the first permanent settlement. The Pilgrims get all the ink because they had PR behind them. Before Jamestown was the Lost Colony of Roanoke, North Carolina. They ticked off the natives by killing some of them and probably got wiped out.
Is agnosticism a religion?
August 15th, 2009 at 10:52 amKeith, is Buddhism a philosophy, a religion, or a state of mind?
August 15th, 2009 at 10:53 amInquiring Bartlebees need to know!!LOL!
Is agnosticism a religion?
August 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am—–
Do you have like 36 straight hours?
btw: Didn’t the Jamestown gang resort to digging up their dead in a desperate search for nutrition?
Looks like Bartlebee finally crashed.
I think its sad that someone with such severe metal problems can’t get help.
I think he is seriously deranged.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:13 amKeith @ 650 your correct Jamestown, Virginia was the first permanent settlement, my apologies.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:17 amAt the end of the town hall, Grassley gave an autographed copy of “Common Sense” to ThinkProgress and said “it’s something you gotta read a couple times.”
At which point, “Think Progress” should have shoved it up his corrupt, reeking, corpoRat ass…
August 15th, 2009 at 11:17 amIs agnosticism a religion?
August 15th, 2009 at 10:52 am
I don’t believe so, but it’s irrelevant…
August 15th, 2009 at 11:19 amThis thread, except for how long it’s been up, is almost “atriotic.”
August 15th, 2009 at 11:20 amNot to a questioning agnostic…
August 15th, 2009 at 11:20 amdbadass,
I was not going to get involved in such an argument. I just wanted to start one and run away. :-)
Yes, I read somewhere that they did that at Jamestown. It didn’t make the Colin Farrell movie, I don’t think.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:22 amKeith says:
dbadass,
I was not going to get involved in such an argument. I just wanted to start one and run away. :-)
LOL. I don’t BELIEVE I’ll get involved either.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:32 amI’m feeling responsible for this chatter last night because I gave waynebro a compliment about one of his comments. This compliment must have given him enough confidence to become a raging pompous as* after that! Went completely down hill into the sewer.
I’m sorry. Please forgive me everyone? LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 11:36 amI’M SORRY PEOPLE!!! *wiping my eyes with 3 pieces of rationed toilet paper*
August 15th, 2009 at 11:38 amI have a sneaking suspicion that Glenn Beck is into the “adult baby” fetish. Not just in that he’s a doughy crybaby, although he is that, but I can really see him with an old-timey diaper and a rattle paying a hooker to change his soiled garments.
I apologize if I put that ghastly image in anybody’s head, but it needed to be said.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:39 amCan see allot of normal people get radical about this guy.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:41 amHe was very very weird 10 years ago.Very!
Hard to imagine who he is talking to.
But he gives the loons some actual “book” to share which means more sewage in their systems of course so they are happy.
Can’t help thinking what happened to angela davis, eldridge cleaver and abby hoffman, etc when they wrote books with their thoughts.
What a difference a generation of oil/mic media manipulation makes.
Hey! Truth wins.
Pretty easy to see what’s real and not now days.
Did people see Thursday night’s Daily Show. They showed how Beck kept saying how horrible our healthcare system was in January 2008 when he had hemorroid surgery. Now he says it’s the greatest.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:48 amI think that the prevailing meme among conservatives with regard to America’s corporate-run health care system is this:
It’s American, and therefore automatically the best thing in the world ever. If you disagree, then you can go back to France with all the other freedom-hating commies.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:54 amKeith says:
“Did people see Thursday night’s Daily Show. They showed how Beck kept saying how horrible our healthcare system was in January 2008 when he had hemorroid surgery. Now he says it’s the greatest.”
Apparently it was a mind altering procedure.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:55 amThank you, kindly Sen. Grassley. Just done runned out of paper in the outhouse.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pmnuthatch,
Stewart said they must not have done a good job on him, because he still talks out of his a$$.
Old joke: hemorroids—-sooner or later every a$$hole gets them.
[I got moderated]
August 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI don’t know why Obama insists in bipartisanship. Just move forward without the republicans at this point. They will never pass up a chance to put a knife in his back.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pmHi all,
First post, have been lurking for some time and read TP every day. I have a question – (I know what I think, but…) do you think the liberal/progressive base in general would support term limits for Congress and the Senate? Despite the challenges (and they are significant to say the least) I think this is an idea whose time has come.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pmI’m sorry. Please forgive me everyone? LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I forgive you because I bear an even darker cross: I taught Rod Dreher ‘journalism’ at LSU in the mid ’80s…i only wish now that I’d tried a little harder to discourage him…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pmanalog kid says:
Hi all,
and then blathers about term limits.
Term limits are a bad idea. They put evenMORE power in the h ands of the non-elected satraps, sycophants and supernumeraries.
The ONLY solution is public financing…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pmI go along with tokin on this one.
Additionally, until the lobby system is changed so that votes are not actually for sale we have much bigger problems than term limits.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pmbzb says:
Keith @ 650 your correct Jamestown, Virginia was the first permanent settlement, my apologies.
J’town was 1607: The Spanish established settlements in or near Pensacola 20 years earlier, iirc…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pmHi analog kid.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pmSorry your first response was sort of rude. It happens sometimes. Anyway. I recognize the appeal but I personally do not support them and I would be careful of thinking that any base is homogenous…
Do Basque cod fishing salting stations count as settlement?Now what about the Boreal Archiac/Red Paint People? Do they count?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pmBy the way, you can thank the Pilgrims and the Native American’s for Thanksgiving
August 15th, 2009 at 12:36 pm—-
Did they invent that thing where you trace your hand and make a turkey out of it?
Good Morning all, I’ve been trying to make sense of Waynebro and Xisithrus and haven’t been able too. All semantics and I never did get the point.
I just wanted to hello to AmericasBack. I was raised in Plymouth County too, in a small town founded by Miles Standish. Now I live in southern cal and would do anything to move back. How’s Virginia treating you?
August 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pmGood Morning youngsters….Any idea when TP will put up a new thread.? Now would be good…P.B. & J
August 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pmFred says:
Additionally, until the lobby system is changed so that votes are not actually for sale
Agreed on that point. Maybe I’m too idealistic, but I think the underlying issues we have really boil down to plain old integrity (or lack thereof). It would be nice if we could pass a law against dirt bags, but this is the real world. Instead of letting those that are the problem be involved in passing more laws, what else can be done to clean house? Yes, we would lose some genuinely decent lawmakers in the process, but I just do not see any other way. I want (no, demand that) my lawmakers to be out on the floor with the honesty, integrity, grit and vigor that drives a firefighter or a member of the armed forces. It’s embarrassing how low Congressional approval ratings are.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pmWatch Lawrence O’Donnell take on Rep. Culberson (R-TX) who says the idiot for Arlen Specter’s town hall, Katy Abram is his hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFeyACpGyM
August 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pmBasically it boils down to Culberson saying this is why nobody watches MSNBC. O’Donnell should have his own show. But I submit that the reason this country is in the toilet is because even our politicians believe in the Fox News propaganda. Why are we letting an Australian destroy this country?
I hated living in FL. Still to each their own…
August 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pmWe have been demanding it and it has paid off.
Approval of Congress Hits Four-Year High, Fueled by Dems
August 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pmAmericasBack says:
Witch1, they’re all recovering from hangovers (went to that thing in Pa.)
Hey now… drinking is the national past time here in PA (born and raised).
I was at the town hall in Lewisberry, PA. I was the one guy there on crutches.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:53 pmAll Right, Plymouth was 1620. I don’t know what is supposed to make it “truer” or more permanent than Jamestown (1607). Jamestown had 500 people at first. Is that true enough.
The reason Jamestown always adds “permanent” is to distinguish it from the Lost Colony of Roanoke, NC (1585), which got wiped out.
Pensacola was 1559, but they shortly failed. St. Augustine has been going since 1565, but I don’t think they are going to give the prize to Spaniards having a colony not in the original 13.
Lief Erickson had a settlement in Newfoundland in about 1003. His father had settlements in Greenland.
AmericasBack, you are making this sound like the Dallas Cowboys vs. the Washington Redskins.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pmI actually live in the 2nd oldest house (1760) in Adams Co. PA (Gettysburg area). No good for a broken foot though. And the heat bills are horrible (even with geothermal).
August 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pmThe Polynesians were the coolest settlers of new lands….
August 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pmAdams County is cool too. I was just there a few months ago as I have kin folks in those parts…
August 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pmI saw my cousins the Clark’s nutcrackers, just above 8,500 feet in the Also Leopold Wilderness last week….
August 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pmAldo Leopold
August 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm***
i believe in term limits for trolls.
:)
August 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pmdbadass says:
Adams County is cool too.
It’s an amazing place to live (where I am any way – up in the orchards and apples make great neighbors). It’s pretty much devoid of crime and polution (we don’t even have/need a police department). My neighbors put pumpkins and squash every year on the side of the road and leave a coffee can to pay for it – that kind of place. I have 4 young kids and it’s great for them, but at the same time they are learning nothing about the social/economic conditions etc. that most other people have to deal with in the real world.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:37 pmI expect Bartlebee to call The US the USoNA [United States of North America] from here on.
Heh,
August 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pmGrassley is following the old GOP/K street tactic of Scanlons to get the *wackos [Scanlon Term] to oppose something, anything, to slide legislation under the publics nose and many times thru lobbyists co-opting grassroots movements or creating astroturf campigns. I also seriously doubt that Grassley has read his tools [Beck] book.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pmXisithrus says:
read his tools [Beck] book.
It’s been at least 10 years (I think) since I read the original version of Common Sense… what did Beck even change/add anyway?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pmWhat a bizarre thread!!!
**cue the Twilight Zone music**
August 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pmanalog kid says:
It’s been at least 10 years (I think) since I read the original version of Common Sense… what did Beck even change/add anyway?
August 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
No doubt he took out all the common sense…
August 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pmYou said Grassley brought Glenn Beck’s book to the town hall meeting, but you didn’t say which book. To my knowledge, Glenn Bech has written five books:
1. “How I Survived Electric Shock Treatment”
2. “I Am Not A Psycho”
3. “Understanding the Warped Mind”
4. “How I Lost My Marbles On The Playground”
5. “Making Insanity Work For You”
I’m sure Seator Grassley has read them all since he appears to have applied some of Beck’s ideas into his own life.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:28 pmI have no idea, I didnt even know it was basically just a reprint until you mentioned this.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pmObama’s Weekly Address Real Conversations about Health Insurance Reform
disappointed public option is not mentioned, and again to see the term health insurance reform added to the mix rather than health care reform.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pmYou know, Ive been watching CNN and I can’t believe how balanced the coverage is. In several meetings with Ali Veshy (I don’t know how to spell the bald guy’s name) Most people want reform in Health Care. In fact a lot of these people think the protesters are acting stupid and unintelligently. And these people are Red Staters. That amazes me. In the last week, MSM made it seem as if the Health Care debate was evenly divided. I think Health Care reform may have a chance after all.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pmShayne says:
Watch Lawrence O’Donnell take on Rep. Culberson (R-TX) who says the idiot for Arlen Specter’s town hall, Katy Abram is his hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFeyACpGyM
Basically it boils down to Culberson saying this is why nobody watches MSNBC. O’Donnell should have his own show. But I submit that the reason this country is in the toilet is because even our politicians believe in the Fox News propaganda. Why are we letting an Australian destroy this country?
OMG! That was great! culberson acted like a whining lying baby. It was shocking and embarrassing to watch that fool have a good old teabagger mental breakdown right on TV!
I was saying WOW!, OM!, WTF! Larry stayed on point while culberson acted like a true repug idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I agree, Larry should have his own show. PRONTO.
He is definitely a cool dude. I love him.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pmGood Morning Lady Z,….Quick up date on the whistle blowing tree hugger’s, that’s me and one other crazy I was able easily to recruit….We saved the trees and land and the Owners came to meet and thank us last Thursday…Much more will be done on Monday…To their suprise and ours the commissioners offices in Everett, Wa are closed Thursday and Friday….
Turn’s out the parcel we saved is part of several other huge parcels their family has owned for over 80 year’s and they have all wanted it natural, forever…Walk over it and enjoy the wild life but leave it alone for future generations….How cool is that.?//Wahoo, and they are wonderful people to boot.
The owner’s here where I live are now in attack mode and it look’s like they plan to make our lives miserable, boot us all out and do what ever…Oh well I planned to leave here any way and my reasoning never went beyond saving the tree’s for the owner of the property to do as they chose instead of the slum lord’s cutting and stealing..So in the end they were stoped from cutting any trees and very likely we will all be forced out and the park shut down…Small and inconvenient problem considering the life span of all those cedars and the many eagles that nest there…I, we knew going in we were about to cause a shit storm and we would likely have to move….
So if ya all don’t read me for any length of time, know I’m doing what I need to do to get to the other side or New Hampshire which ever come’s first…Please forgive me for interupting the interesting but odd thread….P.B. & J
August 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pmNeed to hammer it home that this is Health Inurance and not government Health Care and the taxpayers money will go to the private medical sector and not some CEOs middlemans pocket to fly around on corporate jets making tens of millions a year.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pmGEORGE BUSH RUINED AMERICA. THE END.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pmCINDY SHEEHAN WAS RIGHT ABOUT GEORGE BUSH. HE’S GARBAGE AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON. PLEASE READ THE CONSTITUTION TO SEE HOW MANY LAWS GEORGE BUSH & DICK CHENEY PISSED ON! Thanks.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pmTAKE@715, Ooohh! Look at the capital letters! I’m impressed! Give us a break! Georgie Boy and his cabal ruined this country. Obama has to clean up the mess.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm“THATS WHAT THE FOUR FATHERS WANTED.”
idiot.
August 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pmWell, GOD gave me my own mind and the ability to use it as I see fit, and GOD told me that GREED, a minority special interest of unscrupulous people, is what is ruining our democratic republic by buying off such people as Grassley to promote debt peonage.
And if Grassley cannot represent the people instead of greedy insurance folks he needs to resign. Health Insurance costs have risen over 120% since the year 2000. Grassley is not working to lower health insurance costs but protecting its increases.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
August 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Get bent, you ignorant turd.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
GRASSLEY IS A SERVANT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE IS A TRUE AMERICAN. HE KNOWS THE MAJORITY DO NOT WANT HEALTH CARE REFORM. KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES THATS WHAT THE FOUR FATHERS WANTED.
But which four fathers? It’s funny they’d want to “keep government out of our lives” by, um, creating a government.
PLEASE READ THE CONSTITUTION!
Excellent advice. You really should try it yourself.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pmPLEASE READ THE CONSTITUTION!
The constitution does not say that elected representatives of the people are to protect corporate profits that KEEP rising.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmPD, I never doubted it. President Obama is willing to be a one term president it health reform doesn’t go through.
I really don’t blame him. The healthcare industry is a mess and is responsible for its mess.
Who would want to be president a second term if these greedy, lying swindlers have the economy by its throat?
There will be an public option and all the other good things for the people.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmZooey@722, Now.. now, don’t be to hard on TAKE. He has no idea what he is talking about. Much like the rest of the trolls.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWitch1 says:
August 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Well done, Great Lady!! You’ve saved a little bit of paradise, and the world is a better place for it.
(((hugs)))
August 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWhat is with all the caps? Is it John Kerry day? If so shouldn’t it be bolder?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pmTAB is quite uninformed, seems intentional.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pmHey TAB, go read Becks book, see if you can find any answers in that load of gibberish.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmGame@725, I hope we are right. After watching all those folks waiting for hours in CA for free Health Care was a sad commentary on our Health Care system. Add the fact that the Average American is apalled at the protesters and the ‘Death Panels’ crap, it is apparent people aren’t buying what the Repugs and Big Business is selling. We can only hope.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pmIf conservatives are so business sauvy why is the media LIBERAL OWNED? Not thatI believe it is. I was just wondering. You know I have this thing about that weird invisible hand thingie…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pmWHY ISNT THE MEDIA ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM?
Do I look like a media outlet? Why dont you type up an email and ask the media whatever tin foil conspiracy du jour your ranting, incoherently, about.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmGODS GREATEST NATION ON EARTH
August 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm—-
Why would god want any individual one to be better than any other one. Aren’t they all his/her children?
Thomas Paine was basically a liberal. From his Wiki:
Paine liked the social programs that took care of the poor. OUCHIE FOR THE GLENN BECK SUPPORTERS!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pmAgreed, then you people are going to stop telling women what to do with their bodies right? And you’re going to stop discriminating against homosexuals because they don’t agree with your bibles too, right? But who exactly are our “four fathers”? Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Franklin, Paine or Madison? I don’t know who you mean but I do know they believed in keeping religion out of government, ALL OF THEM.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pmNeocon TakeBackYourRationality….
WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU WANT THE MEDIA TO BE ASKING? Ask us. We’ll help you through it!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pmHey TBA, Obama’s birth certificate and verification of such are all over the internet. Perhaps if you’d remove your head from your rectum you could find it.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmIf gawd is really on the side of the USA then why did gawd put the oil under the Muslims? Huh?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmBeck , it seems, is trying to revise history and turn Paine into a corporate greedster of the free market idiotology, and his readers will probably never know that Paine was actually about. Beck is an unpatriotic hack that wants to see Americans suffer under some British type empire that we fought to make ourselves independent of.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmI thought you wingnuts said under George Bush that the only REAL Americans were the ones who worshiped the president. What happened to that line of thinking? Now you’re saying anyone who worships President Obama is a traitor? SO WHICH IS IT CONFUSED ONES?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmBINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pmuhh, I don’t know how to break this to you genius, but THATS what I said over and over.
Here genius.
Here’s what I said again, since you’re too stupid to read it.
I SAID:
Now, WHICH PART OF THAT, ARE YOU CONTESTING?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pmThe first part is a lie and the second part remains to be seen. Either way it sucks to be you.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pmbartlebee, let it go. Everyone else has.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pmClearly all we’re doing here is showing the right wing what a bunch of undereducated half wit twits, comprise the “regulars”.
I got moron number one over there denying small business in the US rely on credit.
I got moron number two coming in and saying George Washington wasn’t the first President of the UNITED STATES, and that “America” means the continent, and not the country.
Now I got moron number three, who comes in, and corrects me by saying what I just got threw saying, as if I didn’t say it.
:|
And then I’ve got their friends ,giving me the little “vote downs”.
It’s a cornucopia of stupidity worthy of any republican teabagger the neocons have to offer.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pmNo, they created a government for, by and of the people. And just where were you when Bush signed the patriot act into law? When illegally wiretapping? When he was creating bigger government with his dept of homeland security? When they were lying us into wars of choice? When he was talking about ‘Your either with us or against us? When people claimed he was above the law and a unitary executive? [King with advisors?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pmKayInMaine says:
Thomas Paine was basically a liberal.
No, I think Thomas Paine was basically a true radical. Maybe that’s just my 60s mindset, but “liberal” just seems too wishy-washy for me.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pmFred, got a better idea. How about I respond to the comments addressed to me, and you mind your own business?
How’s that work for you?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pmFor the past 7 months, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER……….AND IN THE LAST 8.7 YEARS!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pmthe part about being known as the 13 colonies. I can’t imagine folks saying… “Well I read just the other day that over in the 13 colonies, living conditions suck worse than here” or “Recently the gentle folks of the 13 colonies were overjoyed by an abundance of liberty”
August 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pmAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
BRO
August 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pmWhy are you respondeing to comments directed at bartlebee?
Also from Paine’s Wiki page:
“He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793–94), his book advocating deism, promoting reason and freethinking, and arguing against institutionalized religion and Christian doctrines”
Paine was definitely a radical, but when you compare him to liberals of today, he’s more in line with us, Gummble-bee-itch. Glenn Beck is using Paine, MLK, and other liberals to get his goons going. Seriously. I can’t wait for him to start promoting what Bill Ayers tried to achieve! LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pmAnd then I’ve got their friends ,giving me the little “vote downs”.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm—-
Like your beeef with the soil, Alaska, and salmon?
They dont ALL rely on credit, when you say they do its not a fact Bart. And again, as I stated before, I know that small businesses use credit, I think our over reliance on credit is not good.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm“(T)he mobs and their mentality, for want of a better word, that have almost completely dominated the national debate over health care tend to resemble in their collective mindless mania that obstreperous Rottweiler, one who’s barely worth the trouble he causes but still loved by the family, acting out when he recognizes the all-too familiar route and realizes that Daddy’s driving him to the vet.”
Since Glenn Beck will save us with his voice of reason, even as he’s shedding sponsors like an Angora cat shedding its fur in summer. Way to go, Chuck. Between him and Steven King, you have to wonder if there’s something in the corn in Iowa that produces people like them.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pmFor over a year I’ve been stalked by the same ignorant half wit twits in here, who start debates with me they can’t handle, and who then gang up, and try to debate ANYTHING I say, regardless of what it is.
No matter how factual my comment, they’ll take the opposing view, and argue till the wee hours of the morning. Ddumbass, Xis, Hoodathunk, RHF, and the rest of the stooges debate anything I say, regardless of its veracity.
Which was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt last night, when this idiot Xis actually argued that;
1. George Washington was not the first US President.
2. The US was not formed in 1776.
3. That America means the continent, not “Americas” or “North America or South America”.
4. That the “Pilgrims” were here within the last 200 years.
These 4 little gems,…these 4 little beauties, whoppers that they are worthy of the dumbest kid in the dumbest classroom in the world, and not ONE person bothered to correct them other than me.
Clearly stupidity and sheer ignorance, coupled with the ability to lie through ones teeth even in the face of the most obvious well known facts common to us all, is not a characteristic reserved for the right wing.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmI wanted to see how long Bart would argue, he hasnt let me down yet.
More schoolground insults Bart, that’ll make your argument a real winner!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pmI love it when they whine that they are being picked on. It is almost as funny as the hyper-ego response…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pmAnd thats why I said MOST US businesses you two bit home schooled liar.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pmI find it ironic how the Repugs claim Obama’s numbers are in the tank. He’s above 50%, and in most states it’s even higher. And actually Congresses numbers are improving because of the Democrats. So when trolls are spouting the poll ratings bull-sh*t, just remember Bush’s dismal ratings and the ratings of Darth Cheney.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmWell, thats not true, I have never stalked or argued with you before. So you have projected your imagination on me then declared it as truth, when its nothing of the sort. Yet you wint admit you are wrong about this, or anything else for that matter.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmSo are you still bald and practicing backyard grilling? If so I suggest natural charcoal and indirect heat…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pmI said nothing about picked on you overblown homeschooled moron.
It would take more than a moron with half a wit like you to pick on me big mouth.
What I said was different, but then again you four uneducated scumbags never were bound by little things like the truth.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pmOoooo waahh, Bart called me home schooled. BTW thats another projectionist lie that you wont admit to being wrong about..HEH.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pmTAKE@762. LOL! You’re using the statement of that Katy chick?? She’s a fraud! She is a member of Glenn Becks 9-12. The woman is an unintellgent, ignorant fool. ‘Slepping Giant’ indeed! What a crock!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pmquestion to TAKE BACK AMERICA
TAKE BACK AMERICA, is this the garbage upsetting you so much?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pmAh the sleeping giant gambit again. You never did tell me how the sleep through the Bush years or where a giant purchases a bed…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pmHaving a Beck book in his possession is enough to question his sanity.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmFor the record Bart thinks hes being ‘piled on’
August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmBullsh$t. We’ve debated several times, and always with your maggot pile on friends.
And you just lied this morning, and you’ve yet to answer to your homeschooled cracked history, about how the country wasn’t formed in 1776, and how America doesn’t mean the US, and how Washington wasn’t the first US president, or how the Pilgrims who you referenced in a 200 year previous time frame, weren’t here in the last 200 years.
You’re a rube. You were proven a rube, and now you and the other four scumbags are just digging your holes deeper.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmBRo
August 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmJust sit on the pad and watch the candle….
Yea asswipe, we never had these discussions before, that’s why you call me bart.
Sure liar, sure.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pmI pause on the incredible level of ignorant hubris it must take, to tag team on someone, and then mock WHILE DOING IT, the very notion of it.
This takes the sort of dishonesty usually only associated with the right wing.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAugust 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
WAYNEBRO:
August 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWhy do they call your bartlebee?
Just because others dont agree with your opinions doesnt mean your being tag teamed. In fact, I think you enjoy arguing for no other reason than you enjoy arguing indefinitely.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmBut we are bound by the common rules of civility which you appear to have abanoned in favor of chilish rants about the imaginary legions of people who you invision to have as a life goal your personal destruction.
I’m sure there is a clinical name for it.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmWell when those “everybody elses” are saying the Pilgrims were here 200 years ago, ….or that George Washington wasn’t the first US President, or that the US wasn’t formed in 1776….there’s not much room to do much else, is there big mouth?
But go ahead, pile on with the rest of the self righteous idiots.
That’s all you’ve got.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pmLOOK WHAT THESE GOVERNMENT SPONCORED BUROCRATS
August 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm—
Are there four of them as well. Look I appreciate your effort but the other fellow is far more amusing. Try playing faux intellectual. That always draws the attention you seek….
X
August 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
If Bart were a Abu Ghraib prisoner he would ask the guards to pile on him then whine about it.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pmGo ahead morons, site with the moron who thinks the Declaration of Independence did not form the USA.
Go ahead.
Side with him.
Show the right wing how utterly fu#$king stupid, you guys really are.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pmThat’s all you’ve got.
— What about my two turntables and microphone?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm#762 TAKE BACK AMERICA
You and what two others are going to revolt?
Don’t you realize you are being manipulated for nothing more than political gain?
stupid….stupid….stupid.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pmNo dumbass, no whining here.
I realize that helps cover up your absolute ignorance over the revised history you demonstrated to us last night, but it doesn’t change the fact that that you were an idiot, arguing whatever I said merely for the sake of arguing, like I pointed out to you at the beginning of your stupid comments.
It’s not “whining” to point out that a bunch of brain dead morons follow you around looking to stir up a argument, then paint you as the bad guy even though they’re arguing against recorded history that any 1st grader knows.
No ones whining.
I’m perfectly capable of handling you d0uchebags, with one keyboard tied behind my back.
Just like I’ve done everytime we’ve had these little debates.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm~snicker~ four fathers ~snicker~
August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pmSee what I mean? He loves to argue. Yes it was a declaration of independence. However America is what we call the continent those boudaries we call states, exist upon.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pmGo ahead.
Side with him.
— Can someone please pick Carrie to be on their dodgeball team…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pmSpace cadet, you haven’t read the bill or you would be talking about specific things that are in the bill.
Adddtionally, which bill? The house or the sentate bill?
Or is it the bill that we will pass without your support in September?
there is no “the bill” and for you to say such an ignorant thing exposes your fraudulent intentions.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pmWrong jackass.
I’m just taking out the trash.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pmNo dumbass, no whining here.
Its your constant personal attacks that help you get voted down, why continue to waste so much energy typing these elementary taunts?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pmBRO
August 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pmSpeaking as a moderator, I think you might need a little time-out…
And if you’d read one time fred, prior to opening your big, fat mouth, you’d see that I was civil, about 19 hours ago when I first made the comments that brought these scumbags out of their holes.
And even then I was civil with them, until THEY started with the name calling, and the outright lies.
Try reading next time prior to opening your mouth.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BAAAAAAAAAAACK AMERICAAAAAAA!
Back to where, when or to what, may I ask?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pmNext Bartlebee will, likely, declare himeself the moderator, participant, judge and winner of this ‘debate’
August 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pmNo, what gets me voted down is your little home schooled circle jerk group.
The same ignorant d0uchebags, who pile on every single time.
And I could care less, beyond correcting your dumbass, for the record.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmLOL, Bartlebee, You FUNNY!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
_____________
If you’re a deliberate parody, you’re doing a FAAAAAABULOUS impression of a Glen Beck fan.
If you’re serious…
1. You’re 4, 5, or even 6 years too late… the group that needed to be fired for not following the Constitution moved out of the WH in January.
2. You need to Listen To Your Doctor… he put you on MEDS for a reason.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmWell bartlebee, this has become the “bartlebee thread“. You know, the kind of threads that get labeled because someone with a personal agenda takes over the entire discussion just to salve their own ego or disrupt?
You know, trolls.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
READ THE BILL! READ THE BILL! READ THE BILL.
If we take out the part about “pulling the plug on Grandma”….would you support it then???
August 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pmand then, they took my lunch money and and…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pmThe sleeping giant is the overwhelming majority that voted for President Obama. He received more votes than any other president ever. It’s not like when Bush was crowned by the Supreme Court without a majority. This was a real election where real people voted. Now I know you two bit crackers think that liberals don’t own guns and you’re going to wage a civil war and take over the country and turn it into a evangelical prison but you forget a few things. Like how pissed all the people who voted for President Obama are because you people are telling lies about him and standing in the way of progress just like you did to President Clinton. The mistake we made was letting Bush steal the presidency without waging the revolt you people think you deserve now which we surely did.
However, this time the people have spoken and if you thing the majority is going to let you people get away with this a second time you are sadly mistaken. One housing project in Chicago has more weapons than the entire state of Alaska. You want a battle, BRING IT ON.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pmYea, but then it’s kind of hard for them to eat with a mouth full of their own teeth.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmAh, see, there it is, the ‘I am being piled on’ meme…again. And yes, I voted you down twice for calling me names, even though I was laughing at the time. =) As for others voting you dowm I am not in communication with them by any other menas than what I post here for all to see.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmSeriously, it called the founders due to the amendments. Our Constitution is more that that tacky picture of the original signers.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pmRemember freakshow… You only get one vote…
August 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmSo WAYNEBRO, I guess you’re BARTLEBEE and Another Joe. I know you think this site is all about you but since this is the only thread here today could we all save the personal battles among supposed progressives for another day?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmSure fred, sure
And the morons like you who’s comments I’m RESPONDING to, have nothing to do with it whatsoever.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmIs 809 a threat?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmTAB is funny too, first he says Grassley, part of the government problem, is the hero then claims he will be thrown out of office during a revolution.
Be careful with that revolution stuff as you will probably end with a tyranny.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES ID HATE TO BE A LIBERAL THATS FOR SURE!
August 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
What do you think will happen to us, loser?
August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmReally, liberals include all those inner city folks. You know the people who shoot guns at other people every day. Not you trailer trash types who use your guns to shoot at cans behind the double wide. STFU loser.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
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You’re funny… but NOT in a good way.
Some one check the expiration date on this clown… I think he’s gone past it.
August 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pmI am not “Another Joe”.
I don’t troll and I don’t change handles often.
As for my used to being bart, a handle I haven’t used in years since I switched to my ACTUAL name of WAYNE, you are just figuring that out?
Once more, the intelligence on this board is sorely wanting.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pmAnd what does my handle have to do with a moron who thinks the US did not become a country in 1776?
Or that George Washington wasn’t the first US President?
Or that the Pilgrims were here a mere 200 years ago.
HUH?
What part of that did you want to defend?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pmProgressives beat your bunch’s butts in the Civil War, what makes you think you are any stronger now?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pmWAYNE:
August 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pmAre you indeed still bald and home bbqing?
TAKE BACK AMERICA says:
THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS COMING VERY SOON.
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Gee… if I didn’t know better… I’d say this toothless dog was TRYING to make a threat.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pmWaahhhh, I cant win debates and get my way so I have to create a dictatorship and force my beliefs/ideology on others!! Waaah!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:03 pmWhat’s a matter big puss?
Did you pee your panties?
How is it a threat?
Are you planning on trying to take my lunch money little girl?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pmSo how well does revolutions work out, historically?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pmWell what does the amount of hair on my head have to do with anything?
As for the bbqing?
Is that some of your baby talk?
Or did you mean barbecuing, and didn’t know how to spell it?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pmNo I was just wondering if you had ever had a longline hook in the eye…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pmFirst of all, you gotta love Beck for telling people to pass his book on, rather than buying it. Or buying several copies and giving them to friends. What an idiot.
Second, love the fact that Grassley gave his “autographed” copy to Think Progress, insuring (I hope) that it will “passed on” nowhere except to the bathroom for when the toilet paper runs out.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pmNo, just your credit.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pmAnd if you did mean barbecuing, what does that have to do with anything?
Oh yea, nothing.
Just more from the sh$t pile stooges, who think the US was formed in 1774.
:D
I have to remember who I’m talking to.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pmYea, one responds for the other in round robin fashion…..but…..there’s no pile on.
:|
It’s like debating with chimpanzees.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pmI think it ‘might’ mean you are using too much lighter fluid and standing to close to the grill when flicking the lit match unto it.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pmWell good luck taking my credit Xis.
Fortunately President Obama is working against morons like you.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
ID HATE TO BE A LIBERAL THATS FOR SURE….
You forgot you apostrophes…but you’ll have to turn off your caps lock or you’ll get Quotation Marks.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pmOk… you’re responding for ddumbass, right?
:|
Gotta keep you guys straight.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pmSo you are still bald… Don’t sweat it I didn’t think those photos were that bad… Still try the indirect heat. I can give you my bbq sauce recipe if you’d like… Oh and don’t parboil those chicken legs first. That is for beginners…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pmI guess I could just call you guys “Uni-tard”.
:|
Or Uni-turd might make you giggle more.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:11 pmWERE GONNA KICK YOU A-HOLES OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!
Yes it is our country, and violence wont solve anything, it will just marginalize your minority thinking further.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:11 pmOk… you’re responding for ddumbass, right?
No, just posting my interpretation of what he might of meant.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:11 pmNo, I think those sorts of shenanigans are more likely associated with your family members.
:D
You know, the inbreds.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI usually don’t make fun of misspellings,hell we all do it now and than.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pmBut if a troll is going to come here and threaten us I think four typos in one paragraph speaks for itself.
However, the two way conversation most of this thread has been is far from stimualting.
tony and lido
So you are responding for him, ….but you’re not responding for him?
:|
Well someone needs to help him.
And you.
Now, wanna tell us more about how the Declaration of Independence was “just a declaration” and did not form the USA?
:D
Please do.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pmHere.
For all to see.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pmactually it is more like bonobos. They are much better lovers…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pmThe A was formed long before the US [DOI] came about.
Heh,
August 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pmNo dumbass, it WAS the declaration that created the USA.
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As any first grader, will tell you.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm843
August 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThat makes little sense. What does commercial fishing have to do with incest. Aren’t you the pretend intellectual?
And America refers to the country, not the continent.
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As any map, or globe will tell you.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pmAnd it was a declaration of independence, not a declaration that the 48 states we, today, call the USA.
Thats true.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pmHave enough hours passed that we can bring up the idiotic atheism thing again?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWAYNEBRO says: And America refers to the country, not the continent.
Yeh, South America refers to the country not the continent. And North America refers to the USA not Canada.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pmAnd America refers to the country, not the continent
August 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm—
Don’t tell that to any ticos…
or ticas….
August 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pmI wonder why we call it central america….
Sorry homeschool, you don’t get off that easy.
First the “A” refers to America, i.e the United STATES of AMERICA.
If you’re referring to the continent, then you need to specify which one.
As any map or globe will point out to you.
Either NORTH America, or SOUTH America.
Or, if speaking collectively, the “AMERICAS”.
And that doesn’t even address your idiotic claim, that the Declaration of Independence did NOT form the USA.
Here.
I’ll post it again since ddumbass is trying to conceal it with his babbling.
See?
No room to wriggle there.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pmI wonder why we call it central america….
And how did Indians come to be American Indians if they were here before the United States?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pmSee?
No room to wriggle there.
Why I have a whole great big continet, North, Central and South to wriggle about. Heh.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
WERE GONNA KICK YOU A-HOLES OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
How will you accomplish this, imbecile?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pmWho is concealing anything. Someone is looking defensive again and they probably should be as they read like a paranoid schizophrenic…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pmTechically its the United States IN the Americas.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pmBecause your parents weren’t qualified to home school you?
Central America does not refer to the continents.
Central America refers to the region that connects the continents.
There are two continents.
NORTH America.
And South America. Which you’d know if you’d look at a map or a globe.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pmHi Zooey can you do me a solid and write a quick paper for me about inquiry. I am having way too much fun to do it myself. Oh and I love you just the same but still I wanted to hear the song…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pmUhhh, no, I’m pretty sure my country is called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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Not sure what you guys where you live call it.
But that’s what the educated world calls it.
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As does every map ever made.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pmAnd from a more techical perspective its tectonic plates which the United States IN the Americas rests upon. In fact all oceans and continents rests on these plates that constitute the earths crust.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pmAre you saying the ticos and ticas are wrong?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pmYes, a piece of paper calls it that, but that doesnt make what I said false.
Heh
August 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pmFOUR FATHERS???
He must be the result of a gang bang!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pmSee folks?
It’s not the “bartlebee” or Waynebro” hour.
It’s the dumbass, Xis, et al hour.
They will debate with me that 2+2 doesn’t equal 4, if I purport it.
Now they’re changing the name of the country, calling central America a continent, declaring the Declaration of Independence did not form the USA, George Washington was NOT the first US President, and that the Pilgrims lived here in the last 200 years.
:|
But go on. Give them your recommends.
Show the right wing what stupid morons, you are.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pmIm sure that if I looked at a sattelite picture I would not see USA printed on the ground.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pmLet’s talk about me being a moderator shall we WAYNE? Arten’t you the oone suggesting you are brighter than others…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pmtba, is there such a thing as “liberal fascism?”
Is that like a killer bunny?
There isn’t such an animal, teabagger.
We believe in choice, repug.
Being stupid must get you off.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pmSo now the “Declaration of Independence” is just a “piece of paper”?
And it just “calls it that”?
It isn’t the document that formed the US?
It’s just a “piece of paper”?
Now let me see, who else called one of our countries honored documents “a piece of paper”?
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Who was that….George Busch…Bush…something like that?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI luvs ya, db, but I don’t write no stinkin’ papers on summer break. :-D
August 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pmNo WAYNEBRO i’ve known you were BARTLEBEE the whole time. Not until you started this kind of whining did I start to think you were Another Joe as well.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
But go on. Give them your recommends.
Show the right wing what stupid morons, you are.
– Can someone please pick Carrie for their softball team. Just don’tlook at her in the locker room…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pmBadger says:
You forgot you apostrophes…but you’ll have to turn off your caps lock or you’ll get Quotation Marks.
You know that’s wrong. You’re joking. Right?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pmHow quick do y’all think you can get this thread up to 5000?
Sheesh…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pmNo. Just brighter than you clowns.
I’m not the one arguing Central America is a continent, the Declaration of Independence did not form the USA, George Washington wasn’t the first US President, the Pilgrims were here 200 years ago and America means the continent, not the USA.
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That would be you geniuses.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pmNot very quick, because I’ve wasted about all the time I care to teaching first grade US History, and basic cartography, to these morons.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pmYou’ve shown something bart, it was your a$$
August 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pmSo now the “Declaration of Independence” is just a “piece of paper”?
Its just words, yes. The actual binding of those thoughts, penned to paper, that make us, the people, unified, exists in our minds.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pmNo. Just brighter than you clowns.
–
August 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmAnd that would explain how I came to be a moderator?Come on my man just pony up and say you were wrong….
Speaking of cartography can you help me with a few GIS application issues I am having das wonderboy…
Well Shayne, I’ve had to deal with these morons, the same players, the “usual suspects”, since I was Bartlebee.
And that was years ago.
And each time they take positions so indefensible as to be literally, ROVIAN in nature.
In this current little diddy, they’ve claimed;
1. The USA was not formed by the Declaration of Independence.
2. America refers to the continent, not the USA
3. The Pilgrims were here living some sort of wonderful communal life a mere 200 years ago.
4. George Washington, was NOT the first US President.
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And somehow, all these “fun facts” came about by my merely stating at 8 last night, that credit is essential for small business growth and development.
So what do you call it?
Romper Room works for me.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmThats so you can kiss it.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pmNow Bart has made it his duty to be the teacher. Hail great condescending teacher upon the pedestal you have foisted yourself that you may look down upon others and righteously delcare thyself the final arbitor!!!
Hail! Hail! Hail!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pmBartlebee was a freak…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI’m not the one rewriting history.
See I know the USA was formed in 1776.
Thats why I shoot off fireworks on the 4th of July.
:D
They do not know this.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pmWell, first your gonna have to climb off that high horse youve been trotting about…
Heh.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSo was your dad.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pmSo WAYNE, can I get your thoughts on the pros and cons of Mercator projection… Pretend intellectuals are tiresome to me. Sort of like tax whiners and posers…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pmPolluter!
August 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSo was your dad.
– I think you mean is. Anyway yes he is and a damn talented art freak at that…
August 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSo Americans didnt fight for independence before the actual DOI was created?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWhat were we before the DOI, Continentalists?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pmSomeone needs to correct those clowns at the CIA.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Somehow, I don’t find WAYNEBRO fit for the task.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pmWatch this clip to see just how stupid Glenn Beck is, and by default Grassley, for reading his book.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2545
August 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pmWell when you say things like this;
and this;
and this;
then someone has to teach you.
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Poor thing.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pmSee, the USA wasn’t formed in 1774.
And it was formed in 1776, buy the Declaration of Independence.
And when you are referring to both North and South America, you say “The AMERICAS”.
Not, “America”.
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At least that’s what the literate people do.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pmYour baby talk and revisionist history, aside.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pmPoor Bart, doesnt understand the people fought for something before it was named something.
I ask again, what were the fighters against British empire called before the DOI?
August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pmSure is a lot of talk about four fathers..I would much prefer four play…LOL..Carry on…Blessings
August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pmUhhh, which part of that says the USA was not formed in 1776?
Which part of that says George Washington was not the first US President?
Which part of that calls “North America” “America”?
That you had to go out and google the countries history is sad.
But whats really sad, is after doing so, you still don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pmThey were called continental as in continent.
Bwahahahhaa. Poor Bart
August 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pmPeyton Randolph of Virginia was the first president of the Continental Congress in 1774, so he also could be called the first president.
Yes, and it was the continental army that was created by the continental congress that fought for and won our idependence. And of course they did have a president.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pmPoor poor Bart. Washington was the first president after the DOI.
This is the problem with rote training taught in school, people get it in their heads because they read something its written in stone fact.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pmNo, no one was discussing the colonies or the struggles for independence. That’s a whole new thread.
We were discussing CREDIT IN THE US, when you started talking about how the PILGRIMS lived in a coop society, 200 years ago.
lol
And it was YOU who made the claims that;
A. The USA was NOT formed by the Declaration of Independence.
B. George Washington was NOT the first US President
C. The word “America” refers to the “Land Mass” and not the country.
Things that you can rest assured, I won’t let you bury, or forget.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pmUhhh, which part of that says the USA was not formed in 1776?
The USA wasnt formed then, It was NAMED the United States then.
Get it thru your head people fought for what we call USA before it was named the USA.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pmI haven altered my view one bit, go ahead, bring it up all you want, makes you seem petty.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pmNo, we were talking about the US, so the first President of the USA was GEORGE WASHINGTON.
Not Peyton Randolph.
Just keep digging that hole deeper son.
You wear it well.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pmPetty, petty, petty.
Heh
August 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pmFishing rights on George’s Bank tied things up for awhile…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSure he was, only the names have changed.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pmSomeone ought to tell Glenn Beck that Tom Paine would have shat in Beck’s face, and used Beck’s book to wipe his ass, and then made him eat it, to clean up the mess…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pmReally?
The USA wasn’t formed in 1776?
It wasn’t called the USA?
It doesn’t say at the top of YOUR Declaration of Independence, the “DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”?
UNITED
STATES
of
AMERICA
U
S
A
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Keep digging junior.
Keep shoveling it out.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWitch1 says:
Sure is a lot of talk about four fathers..I would much prefer four play…LOL..Carry on…Blessings
August 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Me? I allus thought fore was way too small a number for play. Gimme forety or fore-hunnert-play…yowza!
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pmI can go out and stick a Chevy sticker on my Mitsubishi.
But, Its still a car.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pmHave you seen those idiots at NASA?
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/dictionary/Continent.html
Here I was thinking that South America meant
South Carolina
August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pmMississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
North Carolina
Tennessee
This is a LOT more on topic:
Patient accused of biting off doctor’s fingertip
From Associated Press
August 13, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
CAPE CORAL, Fla. – Authorities said a patient at a Cape Coral doctor’s office bit part of the doctor’s finger off after being denied a prescription. Police reported that a 45-year-old man went to see Dr. Paul Arnold Wednesday morning, and the man became upset about not receiving prescription medication.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:10 pmBarts cage rattles so easy…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pmFrom the actual document.
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
But you say it wasn’t formed then, and it wasn’t called the United States of America….and you’re really smart….
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August 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pmThere were no united states of america in 1776.
there were no states at all.
there were rebel colonies, some of which thought of themselves as potential states in a united states.
but it took the constitution to forge the United States of America as a legal, governing entity…
to say otherwise is foolish casuistry…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pmAt least you’re now admitting to doing nothing more than attempting to start the trouble you accused me of.
Which makes you a liar, and a troll.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:13 pmI fought for my cars independence, I called it GM. then I won the title, my cars independence and changed its name to Ford.
Its still the same car, though.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWell you try selling some of that horsecrap you’ve been pushing in here in any college, university or school in the country, and see how far you get.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pmWell, since we now have many more states than just thirteen, its no longer the unamimous declaration of the thirteen unites states ON the continent we call America.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pm:|
Amazing.
I mean simply amazing.
No dumbass, the USA was formed as a country, July 4th, 1776, as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
U
S
A
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These clowns would argue with me that waters not wet.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThe real sad part here, is there must be some right wing trolls, reading this, and savoring the sheer ignorance of you assclowns, in not even knowing when your own country was formed.
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Much less who the President was, when it happened.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pmI dont do rote training and because some educated arse implys whats written is law doesnt make it so.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThat’s right. Just because some inbred home schooled idiot of a twit like says the USA wasn’t formed in 1776 and the Pilgrims were here 200 years ago, doesn’t make it so.
Damn skippy on that one chief.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pmWater can not be wet, its called supercavitation.
LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pmThat’s right. Just because some inbred home schooled idiot of a twit like says the USA wasn’t formed in 1776
It wasnt. Many states were added after that that didnt exist in 1776.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pmLike I said, the right wing trolls must be savoring this one with relish.
Just think.
Half a dozen self professed “intellectuals” who spent don’t know when the US was formed, don’t know who the President was when it was formed, don’t know that the Pilgrims weren’t here 200 years ago, and think when they say “America” everyone should know they mean the continent, not the country.
You’ve just given them ammunition for the next 5 years.
You guys are the dumbest I’ve ever seen.
I thought you were pretty stupid and ignorant before, but I never knew the depths to which you’d go, just to try to and debate me.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThe real sad part here, is there must be some right wing trolls, reading this, and savoring the sheer ignorance of you assclowns
August 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pm– If I were you and I am glad I am not especially with regard to the hair thing, I would be more concerned with looking like a paranoid schizophrenic..
It was called the Thirteen United States of America in 1776.
That name doesnt work today, sorry, thanks for playing, I have some stuff to do, so be sure to birng up your pettiness later.
Taa Taa!
August 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWe all know inbred, that there were states added after the formation of our country.
That doesn’t change the fact that the USA was formed in 1776.
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Or did you think there was no USA prior to the inclusion of Hawaii?
August 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pmNaw, Im pretty sure many right wing trolls want to return to the days of playing continental soldiers and defeat the thing Bart calls the USA.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pmLike I said, I’ve seen ignorant, and I’ve seen stupid, but I’ve never seen it on this grand a scale.
You’ve repeatedly stated now that the USA was not formed in 1776.
Even though even an inbred like yourself, must have attended at least one 4th of July Celebration.
You know the 4th of July, right dumbass?
It’s the one with all the pretty booms and bangs.
Where we celebrate the USA’s independence from England, and the BIRTH OF OUR COUNTRY.
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I cannot believe I’m having this discussion.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pmbut I never knew the depths to which you’d go, just to try to and debate me.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pm—-
I have been just playing but why is it you feel you have any intellectual superiority? Do you have any educational credentials I should know about or a curriculum vitae you might wish to share. Otherwise you just read like a weirdo seeking self reinforcement… Just saying…
Like I said, I’ve seen ignorant, and I’ve seen stupid
August 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm— but have you seen sunshine on a cloudy day?
uhhh, because you’re a moron who’s been arguing along side another moron that the US wasn’t formed in 1776, that the Pilgrims were here 200 years ago, that the Declaration of Independence did not form our country, i.e the USA, and that George Washington wasn’t the first President?
I’d almost have to be intellectually superior, to anyone that dumb.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pmOh and thanks for admitting all you’re doing is “playing”, i.e trolling, causing trouble and then complaining about me being the one responsible for this fiasco.
You always were nothing but a liar.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:31 pmthen complaining about me being the one responsible for this fiasco.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pm— Can you show us where I said any such thing or are you content to be shown to be a bullshit whiny pretender? I complain not. I find you freakin’ hilarious…
You not only complain little boy, you whine like a chickensh$t troll.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pmOh and show us one lie there genius. You’re the one that thinks I am a TP moderator…Just one lie. That is all I ask. You won’t do it and you can’t and when you don’t I will pwn you some more…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pmWhich is all you really are at the end of the day.
I come in once in a while, and whenever I do, you’re always here.
And it doesn’t take long for your lame ass to start in on the nonsense.
You hang out in here, day in day out acting tough, trying to play the “big man”, even using a sissy ass handle like “ddbadass” trying to impress the ladies and badger the trolls.
Which is fine when the trolls are in here saying wrong crap.
But when you see me, you start in with the nonsense, bite off more than you can chew, then turn to one liner taunts, insults and whining about me tying up the thread, or acting “superior”.
I know what you are, and if you keep up the nonsense, so will everyone else.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pmuhhh, because you’re a moron who’s been arguing along side another moron that the US wasn’t formed in 1776, that the Pilgrims were here 200 years ago, that the Declaration of Independence did not form our country, i.e the USA, and that George Washington wasn’t the first President
August 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pm—
Hey freakshow. Can you point to anything which supports this absurdity? I will f uck with you relentlessly until you do. You do realize that don’t you…
No, I don’t know if you’re a moderator punk.
I asked you a question.
If your mother had gotten a teaching degree prior to homeschooling your dumb ass, maybe you’d know what a question mark meant.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:39 pmsissy ass handle like “ddbadass
August 15th, 2009 at 5:40 pm— you mispelled it and it is a name bestowed upon me not selected by me. Damn you know so little of that which you claim to know…
Thanks for admitting all you are is a lying little worm who “fu$#ks with people endlessly”.
The only problem with that threat, is I could give a sh$t.
F$#k away little girl, f#@k away.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:41 pmWAYNE my mother is a retired certified teacher who was nominated teacher of the year for a large eastern state. Damn you can’t help but fu ck up can you…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:42 pmFirst, how does one misspell a non word?
Second, you misspelled the word misspell.
:D
And he wonders why I feel intellectually superior, to him.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pmThe only problem with that threat, is I could give a sh$t.
F$#k away little girl, f#@k away.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:44 pm–
So is it safe to assume you won’t be sharing with us any of those places where I said any of the things you claim. Damn this is easy… I am almost getting bored…
Americasback,
O.k. I’m off topic again. I had to do some work today (and theres still more to do). But, I’m from EB too. What a trip.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:44 pmWords no doubt your mom heard prior to her wedding night.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pmTry the mountain… It will help mister flustered whackjob…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThats the second time you’ve said “try the mountain”.
I have no idea what that babbling baby talk means so I can’t help you there little man.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:47 pmSorry. I thought you were more wordly. It is a /focusing yoga position…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:48 pmwell you are wordly but I ment worldly. It is calming as well. You should try it…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:49 pmOh, yoga.
I see.
How nice.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pmWords no doubt your mom heard prior to her wedding night
August 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pm—-
I am unsure if I can even give points for effort.
Yes, you’re “misspelling” lots of words now.
Which is the primary sign of someone who is not “calm”.
In fact its the primary sign of someone who is “agitated”.
Or illiterate.
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Please check one of the above.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pmDo you have enogh meth to hold uptill I get back to f uck with you some more? Say like an hour or two? I sure hope so…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pmIn fact, you misspelled the word misspell, while trying to correct me on my spelling.
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Which points to a very agitated, desperate individual.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pmWell I’m going to go out and split wood for an hour or so (I’ll pretend the rounds are you if that helps).
Will that hold you tough guy?
August 15th, 2009 at 5:55 pmOh and by the way, the word “enogh” is spelled “ENOUGH”.
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Now you go cool off and come back when you can type again.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:56 pmYo BRO
August 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pmAs a long time follower, I would suspect that you already know that I pay little attention to spelling and keyboarding. Are you pretending again. Everyone has read me acknowledging that a zillio times. See even zillion is spelled wrong… For real give me two hours….
Well it’s kind of hard to tell when just a few minutes ago you were trying to correct me on MY spelling.
:D
And misspelling the word, “misspell” in the process of doing so.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:59 pmWill that hold you tough guy?
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August 15th, 2009 at 5:59 pmProbably not but dressing you up in eco-jewelry might. Go split your wood. I have a presentation and paper to prepare. Some of us actually are bright…
As for the “two hours”, I’ve got better things to do with my Saturday night, then waste them talking to a big mouth who by his own admission is simply trying to agitate and tie up the board with his nonsense.
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So in other words, ddumbass, don’t hold your breath.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:00 pmWell it’s kind of hard to tell when just a few minutes ago you were trying to correct me on MY spelling.
:D
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August 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pmThe difference is that you misspelled a name. I have a thing about names but then again you probably know that already right WAYNE?
You’re the brightest little rube on the block.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pmmy own admission? No I am just jerking your weirdo ass around because it amuses me to do so…
August 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pmWell that’s hard to tell, since you hide behind a ridiculously ignorant handle, and I use my actual name.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pmAnd again he admits it.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:04 pmBuh bye troll.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:04 pmWow, thats sounds like some Bell curve racism…
August 15th, 2009 at 6:14 pmFunny this, some guy accuses others of being home schooled two bit idiots then appoints themself to be a teacher teaching from home.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pmYou misspelled the first ‘bye’ home school teacher.
Shame on you.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:20 pmCOME ON! YES OBAMA – FALL INTO THE USUAL ROUTINE? WHAT???? THINK progress. You want Tiger Woods to play the way everyone else does? Michael Jordan – play like everyone else? PRES. OBAMA IS RE-INVENING THE GAME OF POLITICS!!! Watch him! Learn! SUPPORT! JOIN!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pmSo when you celebrate July 4th, independence day, not USA created day, does that mean only the original thirteen states should celebrate their independence?
August 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pmWell that’s hard to tell, since you hide behind a ridiculously ignorant handle, and I use my actual name
– The funny part is how wrong you areabout this matter but I suppose you won’t take my word on that. Those that know me are no doubt laughing at your mistake… Sort of like that moderator shit and my mother and all…
August 15th, 2009 at 6:32 pmHas anyone even imagined yet what Glenn Beck and his supporters want to change America into? My guess: SAUDI ARABIA.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pmKayInMaine says:
A valiant effort to drag the thread back within shooting distance of the topic, Kay. A doomed effort, though.
August 15th, 2009 at 6:40 pmAnd again he admits it
August 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm—
by this logic we can assume you accept that you are a weirdo ass…
*waving to the home schooled clowns on this thread* How are you!!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 6:47 pmI tried Gummble-bee-itch! I really did. :-)
August 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pmWaynebro, STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 6:49 pmAlright, Alright. I’ll let you all get back to bashing Grassley. WAYNE’S belly isn’t gonna get any redder. Apologies to all but you know I am attracted to street people and assorted oddballs..
August 15th, 2009 at 6:55 pmwhoa…
1000.
that should be a TP record, by MY memory…
wonder what the ratio of intelligence to garbage is…
i stopped reading yesterday before 200…
must’ve been some party last night for the TP crew…
well deserved!
August 15th, 2009 at 7:02 pmDbadass, don’t get me wrong. I completely enjoyed the bashing. :-)
August 15th, 2009 at 7:11 pmI don’t think WAYNEBRO is dangerous.
But he is of the same sort of lonely, rejected dweeb who feels nobody appreciates his brilliance, and so gets a gun and kills a handful of fitness instructresses to prove his significance..
August 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pmClarification:
August 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pmdbadass is not the one who mispelled mispelled, I did;
And the comment was not even aimed at Wayneboro.
tony and lido
Just had to kick in on the push to 1000.
Righties suck!!!!
Amen to StartLoving @981!!!!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pmRe: Waynebro, another possibility…
‘he’ is about 13 and just discovered he has the beginnings of a brain, and found some little quirk that bedazzled his adolescent credulity enough that he thought he’s the first person in history to have thought of it, and wants to proclaim his originality to an uncaring world…
August 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThank you Token Librul for making me spit out my drink from laughing at your comment. You should be ashamed of yourself for making me do that! LOL
August 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pmCome on people. Don’t quit now. There’s still time for WAYNEBRO to go postal. Oh, and get to 1,000.
August 15th, 2009 at 8:19 pmThe whole discussion started on a disagreement over whether or not small business relied on credit, and whether or not credit was bad.
I pointed out that America has been a capitalist country for the last 200 years.
This foriegner (I know he’s not a citizen otherwise he wouldn’t call it “your republic”) relies
I point out the ridiculousness of that statement regarding the US being a capitalist society for the last 200 years, and the idiot responds by talking about the Pilgrims;
I accurately point out that the Pilgrims weren’t even around when the nation was formed and he responds by claiming “America is a land mass, nothing more”.
Of course any decent educated American knows that America is a country.
OUR Country.
The “land mass” is called “North America”.
I also point out that both he and I had been referencing “the past 200 years”.
Which of course RULES OUT THE PILGRIMS.
He ignores this and continues with his juvenile rant on America being a land mass, nothing more, and the Pilgrims who this idiot claims were here 200 years ago.
Then the moron goes on to claim that Peyton Randolph was the first President of the USA.
And that the birth of our nation, the USA, was not July 4th, 1776 and that the declaration of Independence, did not mark the birth of the USA.
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Xisithrus says:
And it was a declaration of independence, not a declaration that the 48 states we, today, call the USA.
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Then the moron goes on to argue that “America” means “one land mass”
When of course anyone with a globe (or a 1st grade education) knows that there are TWO continents, not one.
And they are called “NORTH America” and “SOUTH America”.
So now we have a guy, who’s painted himself into the dumbest corner of the planet, claiming;
1. The birth of the United States of America, was not July 4th, 1776
2. George Washington was not the first US President
3. That “America” is a “Land Mass” and “Nothing More”.
4. That “America” is a single continent.
5. The United States of America has not been a capitalist nation for the past 200 years.
6. The Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock within the last 200 years.
Then in comes ddumbass, and all the rest of the regulars” and seeing this moron has painted himself into an impossible corner, begin to do what they always do when they see me in a debate with some moron that’s making no sense.
Start with the pile on nonsense, one liner juvenile insults, and of course, the oldie but goody, blaming ME for responding to their juvenile insults, nonsense and outright lies.
You know, I’ve been blogging in here for 5 years.
I’ve debated right along side most of you against right wing morons lies and idiocy.
And what we are seeing now, is that most of you, in here slapping each others asses, high fiving each other and cheering each other on for moral support because