Ohio police dispatcher passes along racist image of Air Force One.
Ohio police dispatcher passes along racist image of Air Force One.
The OhioDaily blog reports on a “rogue” dispatcher from the North Canton Police who recently sent out a racist e-mail from her work account. Dispatcher Anita Malachowski forwarded this message:
“New “Air Force One” Tail Number and yes, please forgive me, I’m really sorry, I really, really tried not to laugh, but …………………..!”
Attached to the e-mail was an Photoshopped image of Air Force one with NI66ER written on the plane’s tail. As OhioDaily writes, “This type of message is offensive coming from anyone, but coming from someone in the position of dispatching police and prioritizing calls, it’s downright horrifying. The North Canton police have a hard enough job as it is without rogue dispatchers trying to incite a race riot or stirring tensions during the hot months of summer.”
“New “Air Force One” Tail Number and yes, please forgive me, I’m really sorry, I really, really tried not to laugh, but …………………..!”
But I just had to send it on, because I’m a stupid, clueless, racist c*nt, and just can’t help myself!
Resign immediately, Anita Malachowski.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:18 pmracism is alive and well in this country and having a black president scares the crap out of many folks who obviously don’t know how to deal with a multi-demographic/racial society. Sad, they can’t see the positive side of things.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:20 pmAbsolutely horrifying!
August 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pmObama needs to address these recent declarations of overt racism in prime time talk to the nation, NOW!
Keepin’ it classy.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pmOh yeah, there is no racism in this whole business. Even after all of the efforts of LBJ and MLK, all the advances this country has made on the surface, it is just a veneer. There is an element in our society who are still racist. Thankfully, it is a pretty small element but they are getting the chance to be very loud these days.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pmWhere’s backup to tell us this isn’t racist?
August 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pmPolice dispatcher, huh? Poor girl needs to run on back to her trailer park and, please, please don’t do any more dispatching for the police!
August 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pm2nd racist dispatcher caught in this story.
(Click source link above for 2nd person caught)
These women are supposed to be trusted public servants paid by tax dollars. They need to be fired.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pm“Whaaa! We’re being denied out rightful place in the center of the political universe by this . . . . this . . . NEGRO!”
Yeah! Grind those teeth for us, pubbies! Unlike Bush, Obama is intelligent, articulate and likable. Living in the shadow of that must be HELL.
P.S. Your mother has already read this and she agrees with every word.
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Oh yes, racial slurs are always soooo funny and such great icebreakers at any dinner party.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
What is a dispatcher doing with a police email account anyway, I have never heard of such a thing in any police department that dispatchers get their own email account?
August 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAmerican has entered into a Zone where it is ’safe’ for public employees, Congress, media and lobbyists to insult the president and circulate racist speech and images. It’s bushe off as ‘humor’ or ‘free speech’. Or a rogue employee.
If there isn’t some sort of public/professional price paid for each such event NOW, it will just get worse. Louder and uglier. She may be down-ticket, but that miserable piece of crap has to be dumped – publicly.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:43 pmDon’t you people remember. Bill Bennett declared racism dead after the election.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pmIf she doesn’t resign by Monday morning, she must be fired. And so should the one who sent it to her.
I wonder how she feels about Polish jokes – do they make her laugh too? Ignoramuses continue to elevate themselves in their own minds by stepping on others.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pmReal classy.
Fire them. Immediatly. Don’t even bother with a discinplinary hearing. They don’t even deserve that. No counseling. No greivance hearing. Just do the right thing.
Fire Them. IMMEDIATLY.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pmThe term ‘niggardly’ at one time referred to a trashy person and was devoid of racial overtones.
Ergo; this term could and maybe should apply to the dispatcher and the creator of the photoshopped image in the definition above.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pmGot me one says:
i don’t find any more affending than any other joke
August 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
That’s because you’re a RACIST, dahling. Of course you don’t find it “affending.”
August 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pmHey Get Me One away, you got one part right about getting fuk’d, why don’t you. Racist repugs, no big surprise.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThings like this didn’t contribute to the Rodney King riots, right?
I mean blatant racism in our police departments wouldn’t have any effect on the streets, right?
You can’t be serious.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmI lived in Ohio for too many years, and found this sort of thing to be so prevalent that it was sickening. The “n” word is as common as “the”.
People make fun of the southern states, but when you look at what Ohio has done to national elections, what kind of people they put in office (Jean Schmidt, “Boner”), what kind of people have run their election offices, OHIO is the joke of the nation. I couldn’t wait to leave the place.
It’s also priceless how many churches with steeples you see in every Ohio town. Holier than thou, they are.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pmOh yeah, you stay KKKlassy, wingnuts!
August 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pm.
Got me one,
That’s because all good (R)acists love (R)acist jokes.
I mean, how dare a (R)acist find a (R)acist joke offending.
Really! No wonder your friends forward you this sh!t.
Why, that’s like a CEO who finds exorbitant profits offending.
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August 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pmAccording to the CBO, there are a couple of niners in there, and therefore couldn’t be a racist swipe.
/snark
August 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pmWhy isn’t she fired and investigated to see if she let her racism get in the way of her job?
August 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pmXisithrus says #19
I recall years ago that a person in government used the word “niggardly” in the proper sense of
“mean-spirited and stingy” – I think he had to resign.
In a broad (excuse the pun) sense – the term can apply to these two bigots who thought this was so funny they simply had to forward it.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pmXisithrus @19,
August 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThus the irony!
Doesn’t the Police Department think that putting blatant racists on their payroll contributes to problems on the street?
August 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pmDon’t they have personality/psychology tests before hiring? Or are they all racists?
I know racism is prevalent in the south, but the racism I have seen first hand in the midwest is very ugly and underlies many aspects of society.
Yes, I recall something about that…
August 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pmNever listening to what’s being said; never understanding the things that are being attempted to better the lives of everyone; but always ready to find sick humor at the expense of someone else. Closed minds that have been left behind. Just sorry there seems to be so many of them.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pmI concur. Anita Malachowski needs to go. It’s not only offensive but she is plain stupid to send a racist email from the her own office computer. It makes you wonder how many employers at companies, organizations, and so on are really monitoring employees’ emails sent from the office computers.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pmAnd why, exactly, does a dispatcher need access to a personal, but publically provided email while on duty?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pmWhy is the government paying this person to send such emails during working hours? If their isnt enough work to keep this person busy then they should be laid off for that alone.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I am an African American. Believe it or not, this is par for the course for many members of this society. Some may want to excuse this type of email thinking that it is harmless or humorous, but IMHO, it is not, because underlying this decision are negative thoughts of a certain kind about someone. I have never seen the need to create or forward offensive emails about anyone. I disliked GWB’s policies, but I never created, received or forwarded any type of racist email about him, and wouldn’t have found it funny if I had. In fact, I have never received any emails of a racist nature. I guess whether one perceives such an email as funny or repulsive is an individual POV, but it is all too easy for some to laugh off or belittle something that creates great pain in others. You just have no idea of what it is like to live here and to never be thought of as a person worthy of respect because he/she is a human like everyone else. This stuff hurts, and is a constant reminder that, in spite of what you achieve in this society, according to some Americans, you’re just never considered good enough to be accepted for who you are.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pmAmong the tea bagged, the birfers, the buyble thumpers, the secessionists and the IGNORANT RACISTS.
This is what the current GOPig party has become and now is reaching.
THEIR BASE.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pmJesus on a shingle!
August 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pmDispatcher Anita Malachowski…
The name says a lot – Anita is most likely not one of youth.
Malachowski is surely a sign of no color.
Thank God this old white idiot breed is dying off.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pmThis person will probably also tell us she believes in Jesus, Lord and God, and the bible, in Noah and how we are all Gods precious children we should love equally….well at least to her children, if she has any. I guess they call that Glen Beck bluffing to their kids, hoping they dont find out they are bluffing, but they eventually do, such as with tales of Easter bunnies and jolly fat men who slide up, and down, chinmneys.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pmIGotNothing
So, your shift servicing the Atlanta airport bathrooms republican visitors is over?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pmObviously these sick freaks receive only FAUX “news” or no news. I find it hard to believe that any public employee is still stupid enough to think they can still send out this kind of crap.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pmDidnt we have another Anita who was offensive? Anita Bryant or something?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI didn’t laugh… Because it wasn’t funny. It was appalling.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pmmajii,
People who forward this sh!t, or laugh it off, or who make this crap up in the first place, A-L-W-A-Y-S say it wasn’t meant to BE mean. But really, it hits a place in them that agrees with the implied disgust at a person based solely on a physical attribute; skin color.
In short, it tickles their (R)acist funny bone.
I say, point and laugh back at them. And laugh louder than they do. And while at it, ask them what it means to be part of promoting an ideology based solely on someones race?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pmracism is alive and well in this country and having a black president scares the crap out of many folks who obviously don’t know how to deal with a multi-demographic/racial society. Sad, they can’t see the positive side of things.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:26 pmdamn web site spam…
… foreign language blogs catch me every time.
Eh flickurine?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pmA Polish cracker. If she’s a blond she’s a trifecta.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:29 pmSo when is Glenn Beck gonna come out and pontificate about this dispatcher having a deep-seated hatred of black people?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pmDisturbing.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm.
Funny,
These (R)acists are gonna be a bit shocked to find out that their God and Christ is but a Black man.
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August 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pmHey Anita//
Dispatch this…
B160T
August 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pmHow would you like to be a black person who knows these two a$$holes might be answering your 911 call in an emergency? Frankly as a white person I think these two are too stupid to handle my emergency. They need to be terminated immediately.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pmExcellent!
Hey Anita, what would Jesus say, byatch?
August 16th, 2009 at 4:35 pmGot me one says:
i have recieved this e-mail [... blah blah blah... blah blah blah... blah blah blah...] i don’t find any more affending than any other joke…
___________
Like I said yesterday…
If you’re going to lie… at least TRY to tell a lie that’s believable.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:39 pmthe trolls are trying to argue with a spam bot at this thread.
pretty funny:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/cpr-tricked-women/comment-page-6/#comment-5765146
August 16th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThis was inevitable. It is yet another example of uncivilized, cowardly behavior that is the logical outcome of the type of fear and hate-mongering, inflammatory rhetoric espoused by right wing pundits and the conservative base of the GOP lately.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:41 pmMax said,
August 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pmGod and Christ is not a black man, but she is black, and poor, and a drug user, and can’t find her long form birth certificate.
Too bad all Republizan wing nuts gravitate to positions of power and authority. They are not suited for it in the slightest.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:42 pmThese low life racists have nothing in their heads but insecurity and hatred. It’s amazing that we are in the 21st century. Like bill maher said. “not all republicans are racists but all racists are probably republicans”
August 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pmTee hee, I am a police officer and I can’t help but laugh when someone uses a racially charged, derogatory term to describe the President of the United States. I just have to share it.
And, of course, dear Anita would not be offended if folks said please excuse her, she is a Pol*ck and too dumb to be a cop.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pmI completely agree that these two women need to resign or be removed from their positions. There are so many people looking for work and so few jobs available. As a society we are willing to deny work to those who smoke pot, but we allow people to work who spread racism.
We really need to get our priorities strait.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pmLevi,
August 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pmI was being kind. I’ll let the enormity of their shock hit them full throttle. I just wish I could see them there, beggin’. That’s all.
It’s truly frightening to think that the racism that is obviously embedded in these women could eaily have affected their ability to do their jobs fairly & without prejudice. They must be removed from anything to do with the police force. Fox & GOP racists will scream it’s just freedom of speech, as usual. Beck might even cry.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pmwow… just a glance, and it took my breath…
i’m sure it’s making the rounds in my neighborhood…
glad i don’t see so much of it anymore…
…
… or stirring tensions during the hot months of summer.”
so, on a good note, from the googlenews page, a bit OT:
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She deserves to be joining the ranks of the unemployed for that.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pmRemeber the city councilman in California who sent all those racist emails? The local paper got ahold of some more:
If you want to read the emails that some people find so funny they pass them on to others, go here. WARNING: the language may be offensive to non-birthers and non-teabaggers.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pmGod and Christ is not a black man, but she is black, and poor, and a drug user, and can’t find her long form birth certificate.
Christ never got a birth certificate. There’s no proof at all about who the real daddy is.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pmNext up, Glenn Beck interviews the dispatcher who will then spout some teabag birther Death Panel nonsense, then go on a media tour with Joe the Plumber, ranting daily about the loss of their freedoms since Obama was elected.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pmHer license plate should read:
August 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pmRAC 15T
Got me one says:
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You are a joke.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:27 pmChrist never got a birth certificate. There’s no proof at all about who the real daddy is.
Actually, Jesus was a bastard. His mother slept with someone other than her husband. That is why C Street exists.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:30 pmBriseadh na Faire says:
If you want to read the emails that some people find so funny they pass them on to others, go here. WARNING: the language may be offensive to non-birthers and non-teabaggers.
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In other words… offensive to anyone w/ at least ONE functioning synapse left in their brain… no doubt “Gotmeone” will find them all hilarious.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:31 pmTotally devoid of class or intelligence. She’s employed by the city? Fire her.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:36 pmUpdate TP peeps:
Anita Malachowski and another employee suspended for inappropriate e-mail
Yes, there was another dispatcher involved other than Malachoswki.
NORTH CANTON, Ohio — Two North Canton police disptachers were suspended Friday for an inappropriate e-mail.
The North Canton Police Department was informed that the inappropriate e-mail had been replied to or forwarded by the dispatchers earlier in the week.
It was reported the incident occurred using police department e-mail accounts while on duty. The e-mail accounts of the two employees have been suspended.
Both dispatchers have been placed on administrative leave while the matter is being investigated.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/20414535/detail.html
August 16th, 2009 at 5:39 pmAnd for the Biblical types, 2,000 years ago if a woman delivered a child she claimed was fathered by anyone but her legal husband, odds are she would have been stoned. They might have given the benefit of the doubt for insanity due to the claim of divine parentage.
Her husband who have certainly set her aside.
They took their laws much more seriously back then.
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Got me one says:
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i have recieved this e-mail several times. the old saying is joke’em if they can’t take a fudk and fudk’m if they can’t take a joke— i don’t find any more affending than any other joke
You would say that because the wingnuts are the only ones who laugh at their racist and violent “jokes…”
and you pious hypocrite, I bet you were ranting and raving about the jokes about Bush looking like a chimp…
August 16th, 2009 at 5:43 pmand the lead in to the first episode: “The program you are about to see is All in the Family. It seeks to throw a humorous spotlight on our frailties, prejudices, and concerns. By making them a source of laughter we hope to show, in a mature fashion, just how absurd they are.”
Seems the rest of the country missed the reiteration of that particular disclaimer. Must have been lost in all the claims of Nazism, Socialism, destruction of the country and such.
Sort of like how Faux News still claims to be a news channel when they got the court to agree that they aren’t. When every Faux pundit show shows the disclaimer at the beginning of broadcast that the opinions expressed by the show are for purely for entertainment purposes and have no claim to a basis in fact, your post would gain validity.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:48 pmHere is how some rationalize it. I am hisapnic and wife is African-American and my co-worker knew this. He would make racist jokes and then apologize afterwards. I finally reported him to management and their solution was we just had to get along. He found out and confronted me with this logic. ” I don’t hate blacks, I mean they are good althelets and performers and some of their women are good loooking” and about the time I just stop listening. You just reason with some.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pmthe exact same way i laughed when sammie davis jr kissed archie bunker in “all in the family”.
really.
you think this is the same…
pretty stupid…
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August 16th, 2009 at 5:52 pmMalachowski would probably have a hissy fit if someone told a Polish joke to her.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:53 pm“Rogue” dispatcher should be spanked. A two by four would probably have enough heft to cut through the stupid.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:54 pmthe exact same way i laughed when sammie davis jr kissed archie bunker in “all in the family”.
And totally missed the fact that it was the black man who initiated the act. As in Archie would have had no chance, ever to consider someone like Sammy was a person.
Did you miss that part?
August 16th, 2009 at 5:55 pm.
Shorter F. Joseph Mattia:
O.K.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:57 pmYou keep woring the legitimacy to be a (R)acist angle.
84. Virtual Pebble sez:…
Oh, sorry, we don’t do corporal punishment any more, do we? Demote Miss Malachowski to recruit, then wallop her stupid butt.
Nah, just fill her stupid head full of caffeine and methadrine and sentence her to five years of diversity training. It won’t do anything for her attitude toward others, but she won’t go public with it again.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pmBut it’s not racist, right?
/s
August 16th, 2009 at 5:59 pmLet’s see how Hannity and Limpballs spin this one and try to defend these patriotic and loyal “real American” police dispatchers, and how everyone else is over-reacting, and “ain’t it awful how the liberals can’t take a little joke when no harm was meant,” and blah, blah, blah.
They will – you just know it. They certainly won’t call this racist.
Counting down….5…4…3…2…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I would have thought the number on Air Force One would be 666 ?
Ya know, if the N166 number had happened acidentally, I might have been able to see a modicum of stupid humor in it. But the part that galls me is that photoshop is being used to give the vilest people on earth a platform. The people that actually want to start applying racist labels.
And then that gives the people who never would have thought of being socially inappropriate to tell a N**er joke an outlet to tell such jokes but without accepting responsibility for telling such a vile joke.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:01 pmArchie Bunker was a racist, too stupid to recognize himself. His daughter and son-in-law constantly pointed out the hipocrisy and racism of his remarks.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:02 pmThe show was popular because it was true:
Racists are your neighbors – and their racism needs to be challenged.
81 Imichael,
IANAL. I don’t even know what state you’re in. I don’t even know what country you’re in.
However, if you talk to a lawyer, they may be able to make a case that this both a) creates an offensive and oppresive work atmosphere and b) constitutes harassment.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:03 pmF. Joseph Mattia says: for anyone who thinks it impossible to find humor in pointing out bigotry i’d point you towards the nine successful seasons of all in the family.
What’s doubly funny is that the racists in the ’70s actually thought the Archie Bunker character was non-ironic. Just like so many of them today think Stephen Colbert is a right-winger.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm13. gotmeone sez:…
You might try a little remedial English with your racism, dude.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
the dispatcher’s motives may not be as pure as yours. It looks to me like she intended to get a laugh out of the racist photoshop instead of pointing out the bigotry and mocking it…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWhen racists are given legitimacy, whether in stupid email “jokes” against the president, or in news anchors such as those seen on all of Fox and CNN’s Dobbs show, it is beyond a simple definition of illegitimacy.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pmIt encourages the cretins among us; it validates their bigotry; it gives them license to continue; and it incites some of them to violence.
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90. F. Joseph Mattia:…
Have you ever seriously considered NOT being an apologist for racists and bigots? Sure, they’re human and we should deal with some of them (not the local trolls) with forbearance and tolerance, but there are no excuses for what they’re propagating and they SHOULD be called on it.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:09 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Marie @ 92 sounds good but I have challenged some racist people before just look at the “birthers” and the “deathers.” Racist people are tone deaf much like the conservatives and racism starts at home.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:14 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It must drive the anti-black racists to know that everyones family came from Africa.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:16 pmThat should read “upset” not “drive”.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pmi don’t need to validate my point. burning a cross on someones yard is trespass and destruction of property. making a lame photoshop is free speech
Since the burned cross is someone else’s property, only the trespass remains. Making a lame photoshop, keep it to yourself and it is yours. Publish it and it is no different than the cross on the lawn. Public is public.
As to the educational aspects of All in the Family, they were preceded by the disclaimer. It was a valid attempt by the entertainment media to show just how lame prejudice is. I would welcome shows like that today.
And you entirely made my point with the indignation about comparing it to a ‘talk show’. At least Lear was honest enough to explain what he was about.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm.
Dear F. Joseph Mattia,
Has it ever occurred to you that you’re comparing a T.V. sitcom of the late 70’s to dissing the President of the U.S.A. based solely on his race, as being somewhat acceptable thing to do…
… Because America had their Archie Bunker?
Please feel free to fast forward to the year 2009.
You’re seemingly stuck on justifying narrow, shallow mindedness and bigotry based on the life and times of Archie Bunker.
Hell, what’s next?
How ’bout I cite the popularity of NOT allowing women to vote in the 1800’s as my justification to be more of a sexist?
Seriously dude,
Reality is more than a T.V. game show.
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:18 pmi find it deeply disturbing that an entire wing of people here find it okay to repay hate for hate.
So calling for public servants to not indulge in bigoted behavior is hate?
August 16th, 2009 at 6:20 pm.
Pointing and laughing…
… Dear F. Joseph Mattia,
Seriously,
What does it feel like to be on the side that defends a person’s ability to be a (R)acist?
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
i find it deeply disturbing that an entire wing of people here find it okay to repay hate for hate.
Let’s go one step further. Most of the serious posters here have a hard time dealing with the idea of hate. Most just find that people who agree with the idea that racism is acceptable are pretty pathetic.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:27 pm.
Dear F. Joseph Mattia @102,
I though “REAL” progressives understood the difference between (R)acism, sexism, homophobia, etc.
And I thought “REAL” progressives checked themselves when they do cross those lines by NOT getting defensive and self righteous.
There could be a lesson for you, in all of this.
Because you DO know that promoting a person’s ability to be a (R)acist is NOT a progressive ideal…
… NO?
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:28 pmIf you want to be sexist, go right ahead -
Now where did that come from?
August 16th, 2009 at 6:28 pmi hope this clown enjoys his unemployment in this disasterous job market…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Shorter F. Joseph Mattia @109 :
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm.
Shorter F. Joseph Mattia @118:
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pmFJM, You won’t tolerate abuse or be insulted, but you will tolerate racism on the job. Small mind at work here.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Mr Mattia,
Calling for holding accountable our taxpayer-funded employees for distributing racist images is not “hate,” and disagreeing with your lame standards as to what is funny is not “hate.”
No one here is demonstrating hatred toward you, they are simply calling you on your BS.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pmfive bucks says this Anita Malachowski is a broad who in the years 2000-2008 would stick her finger in your face and shriek about how unamerican and unpatriotic you were if you dared question the decisions of herr 43.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:39 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
“You want the Christian wing of the right to “tolerate” gay-marriage yet you are unable to tolerate them.”
boo-freakin-hoo…the poor persecuted “christians”
seriously? yeah, historically “christains” are frequently the target of intolerence and honestly, i can’t remember the last time i say a gay or lesbian campaigning for “christians” not to have equal rights in this country like the “christians” did with prop 8.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pmPersonally, I don’t think she should automatically lose her job but she may be too big of a liability risk. You can damn well bet that dozens, if not hundreds, of lawyers are looking into cases where she may have been the dispatcher. And you can damn well bet that any cases where a person of color complained of slow or inappropriate response will be in court by the end of the week. North Canton may have to dismiss her simply to avoid litigation.
They will already be facing the expense of examining every case she’s ever been involved in.
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Dear F. Joseph Mattia,
You’re support of a person’s ability to BE a (R)acists is intolerable.
And you know why?
Because when, in the face of intolerable events, it is in that moment when no one says anything, deciding to “tolerate” the intolerable, you give license for the next stage of intolerable development to take place.
You obviously are NOT a parent. Because all parents know, children will do, WILL DO intolerable things. Does a good parent NOT stop the intolerable child? Or is the continued intolerable behavior by the child being fueled by the parent’s silence.
Martin Luther King Jr. wrote a whole speech concerning being silent in an age of intolerances. Seriously!
You are a (R)acist’s best friend.
It is because of people like you, people who tolerate intolerances, that the scum of society feed off of. You’re the scum the scum feed from!
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm“Independently minded” isn’t a good thing if you’re the only one in the room defending racism.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm.
TBA,
FIGURES!
… pppfffttt!!!
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm.
Dear F. Joseph Mattia @127,
That’s like saying you’re against lynchings but respect a person’s ability to do one.
Then, are you really against it?
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August 16th, 2009 at 6:50 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
I don’t support what this person did on the job, while being paid with my tax dollars – however – I don’t believe that crucifying (proverbially) her is going to do anything either. What’s wrong with that position?
August 16th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Nothing. You’re entitled to your opinion. But you must understand that others will not agree, and will take you to task for it — since they are entitled to their opinion as well.
The racism is ramping up in this country, and we need to make such expressions socially unacceptable. Continuing to allow such stupid and racist activities to go on (especially if they are paid with our tax dollars), and letting them off with a slap on the wrist, will nothing toward educating the ignorant and racist.
This crap is escalating at an alarming rate, and someone is going to get hurt.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA,
August 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pmit’s apparent you have nothing to add to this conversation now run along and see if mommy will make you a nice cup of hot chocolate before bed. the adults don’t have time for your drivel.
TBS has friends?
August 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
August 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I doubt you have friends of any color or sex.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pmIf every town fired every “aw-shucks, it’s jist fun” racist cop in Murka, there wouldn’t be enough po-lice left to direct traffic at a crash-site…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
i understand that her motives were not pure – however – it’s irrelevant. once it gets passed along to you and I we have the choice to a) continue the racism or b) laugh at its absurdity.
you left out a CRUCIAL CHOICE: c) educate the folks who are engaging in the racism…
there are things that should be indefensible, one of them is racism no matter if it is in ourselves or others. Your way of dealing with the indefensible is to parody it and mock it. However, that leaves behind those who may not see past the attempt at satire. The other way which is to educate people on the people whom they hate, to humanize them and to show the racists that they are people just like them.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
I just showed this pic to my black conservative friend, hes in tears laughing so hard.
right, so that means you’re not racist too? Because you have a “black conservative friend” somewhere? Somehow I doubt such a friend exists…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pmTake Back America (to the days of slavery). Sure, you have black conservative friends, lying sack.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:56 pmI don’t support what this person did on the job, while being paid with my tax dollars – however – I don’t believe that crucifying (proverbially) her is going to do anything either. What’s wrong with that position?
Last I heard termination for cause is not crucifixion. When public employees use their public status to indulge in things that are illegal, it is grounds for termination.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:56 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
i understand that her motives were not pure – however – it’s irrelevant. once it gets passed along to you and I we have the choice to a) continue the racism or b) laugh at its absurdity.
Perhaps not by accident, you left out: “Admit to its reality.”
August 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pmUCSBKitty,
I would add one more thing:
d) Hit the “delete” button, and then write to the person who sent you the email, saying you don’t appreciate such things, and why.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm102. F. Joseph Mattia sez:…
Sorry, F. Joseph, calling a bigot or racism on his or her bigotry and telling them that it is not acceptable or appropriate to propagate that publically or “act out” their bigotry or racism is not hate. It’s more like a public service.
I’m well aware that it is difficult for people to change. Neither of us is going to talk a bigot or racist around, unless we’re willing to keep at it for a long long time. That does not make it acceptable to excuse their behavior, especially when they’re pushing it in the face of the very people that are the target of their bigotry or racism.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pmUCSBKitty says:
“right, so that means you’re not racist too? Because you have a “black conservative friend” somewhere? Somehow I doubt such a friend exists…”
i don’t doubt such a friend exists. for all we know he could be sitting there with michael steele having a grand ole time laughing at this mess.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pmThanks zooey…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
August 16th, 2009 at 6:59 pmWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Bozo The Neoclown says:
UCSBKitty says:
“right, so that means you’re not racist too? Because you have a “black conservative friend” somewhere? Somehow I doubt such a friend exists…”
i don’t doubt such a friend exists. for all we know he could be sitting there with michael steele having a grand ole time laughing at this mess.
I’m not sure it would be a laughing matter for anyone whom that slur is directed to…conservative or not…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:59 pm“it must suck to be a liberal”
so sayeth the 21% whose party lost control of the house, senate, presidency and supreme court all in the last year. in addition to be a member of a party that has been on a slow burn self-implode for the past two years.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:00 pmTake Back America: It must suck to be a repug. Last November especially.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pmpsssttttt,
August 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pmamerica has been “taken back” from the likes of brain dead redneck morons.
Take Back America seems to be suffering from “Woe the Poor White Man” affliction that seems to be infecting all the Old White politicians.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm@140, Zooey
At least we can discuss this civilly.
The root of all hatred, racism and bigotry is condescension. MLK (as another commenter has referenced) said that the answer wasn’t tolerance – it was love. So, with that in mind – I’ll apologize for using the word “tolerate”. The word I was probably reaching for was, Love.
Love cannot be born out of anger.
MLK didn’t “teach those whites a lesson” to get what was rightfully his (and every black mans) – freedom. He said what was required was an absolute love.
And in light of all of this – the people who wish to project an opinion different than mine all feel the need to do so with condescension in their hearts and insults on their lips.
How anyone persuade anyone of anything with an argument based on that frame?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA sez:… (well, who cares…)
Paraphrasing the words of the Immortal Tonto, The Lone Ranger’s BFF, “Just who ya TAKIN it BACK from, white boy?”.
Was it yours to begin with? You got a title that predates Columbus or one of those guys?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Remember all the vile things liberal said about bush for 8 years? Now they cry over photoshopped pictures that 99% of the American population won’t even see.
it must suck to be a liberal
There’s a difference for you and others who are too obtuse to see it. Those jokes about Bush were not based on racial hatred and stereotypes that have been used to dehumanize the so-called “other.” There is no equivalency here…Racism is racism…
August 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
I just showed this pic to my black conservative friend, hes in tears laughing so hard.
Did he require his wheelchair?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Liberals trash talk conservatives so the conversation stays away from the facts.
Ever notice people like olberwoman and that bull dike rachael mancow spend the whole time of their show trash talking conservatives? They spend 0 time refuting their bullshit.
I take it that you cannot see the irony of your post…
August 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm“spend the whole time of their show trash talking conservatives? They spend 0 time refuting their bullshit.”
thanks for admitting cancervatives talk nothing but bullshit that needs to be refuted.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pmRemember all the vile things liberal said about bush for 8 years?
You mean like “thief,” and “war criminal,” and “defiler of the Constitution,” and “economy wrecker,” and “torturer,” and “dictator,” shit like that?
yeah, we wuz terrible…but we wuz right…
In a just world, the rotting remains of George Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, David Addington, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Mukasey, Dana Perino and the rest would be hanging in gibbets from the street-lights along Pennsylvania Avenue as a warning to fascisti like you of what happens to their ilk when they trifle with Americans’ liberties.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pmwho here other than me gets the feeling “take america back” is bill o’lielly’s personal fluffer?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pm@160, Oh Please!! Like Faux news doesn’t bash Liberals and Democrats??!! YOU have a whole news channel to bash us. Oh, and real classy calling Rachel a Bull-dyke You are a dirt bag.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pmUnqualified for office. Republizan.
“Insurance Denied” is a deadly word. Republizan words have consequences. Nixon Lied and Republicans maintain the tradition of Lies to the people to protect the corporation.
It’s a very simple equation:
The Corporations vs. The People.
the people lying for the corporation have gone too far. they’ve depended on lying so much they have no other plan any more. that’s why they went too far. They will squeal louder and louder, but that will not help them now. The knowable truth is that they are corporate fascists.
Don’t let the corporations win this insurance battle. They want this powerful control over the people to continue, that they now enjoy.
Control over your personal health gives corporations powerful leverage over your personal life, if they choose to cover you or not.
In this time when corporate power is in direct conflict with the interests of the people, it has never been so important to deny corporations this particular strangle hold on the people.
The people have firemen, libraries, schools, and now they shall have health insurance! Corporations can suck it up.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm.
TBA,
Vile, vile things, too. NO?
Like: BUSH IS A LIAR!
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”
“Secondly. This Government does not torture people. We stick to U.S. Law and our international obligations.”
“Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.”
… like that?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:13 pmMax@171, Don’t waste your breath, or rather, your typing skills. People like TBA aren’t interested in facts. They would rather bash people like us than have to accept the fact they are nothing but tools for the Neo-Con agenda.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm.
DFear TBA @160,
… Because it ain’t trash talkin’ when you does it, YES?
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August 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pmThe root of all hatred, racism and bigotry is condescension.
And in light of all of this – the people who wish to project an opinion different than mine all feel the need to do so with condescension in their hearts and insults on their lips.
How anyone persuade anyone of anything with an argument based on that frame?
So anyone who doesn’t agree is condescending? If you don’t wish to be greeted with sarcasm and irony, keep it out of your words.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pmThe sad fact is that we have probably reached the point where a major Republican politician or “conservative” talking head will call the President a “N word” and won’t get fired.
I’m still putting my money on Becky. He just seems to get more unhinged with each passing day.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:19 pmPlease consider my comment @162 to be my closing statement.
I heart-fully apologize to those who’s sensibilities I’ve offended. I’m not a troll; I’m not here to shout back at you; I’m not here to reduce myself to name-calling, insults or verbal abuse; and above all I’m not here to tell you how to think.
When I say I endorse the first amendment, I do so unequivocally and without exception. People who hurt other people; prevent qualified individuals from getting equal pay at equal jobs; or those who discriminate based on race, religion, color or creed all need to be held accountable for their “tangible” actions. A photoshop nowadays is no different than speaking and is protected speech. I don’t know who said it but I’ll quote it – “I don’t agree with you but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it”.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:20 pmI think it’s incumbent on anyone and everyone who receives these kinds of stupid, ugly, ignorant, racist emails to reply back to everyone who was on the email list, including, of course, the original sender, and calling out that they are just that–stupid, ugly, ignorant, racist, intolerable emails.
Mo Rage
August 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pmThe blog
Hmmm…Malachowski, Malachowski…Mal…ski
I wonder if she’s a person of color…
I think the joke was missed on NI66ER. It’s N166ER. See how much funnier it is now?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pm.
Funny Zooey,
F. Joseph Mattia thinks MLK Jr mis-spoke and meant “LOVE”.
Shhh,
I’m still awaiting for F. Joseph Mattia to discover the lesson of silence.
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August 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pmwho here other than me gets the feeling “take america back” is bill o’lielly’s personal fluffer?
Bozo–
I’m with you
Mo Rage
August 16th, 2009 at 7:23 pm@177, Mmm.. If you looked at the crowds that were ‘Tea Baggers’ and ‘Birthers’ and the screaming idiots at the Town Halls, the majority of those people lookes like older, angry, middle class blowhards. Oh you had that young chick in PA who questions Specter, but she was an unintelligent plant. She ia a Glenn Beck 9-12er. So don’t asssume we ‘Liberals’ are a bunch of nerds who were picked on. Quite the contrary I was popular in school. But then again, I was a ‘Burn-Out’!
August 16th, 2009 at 7:24 pmNow this one is interesting as President Obama’s first order of business was to save Ohio and Michigan’s police from being fired. Well that’s the way the Ohio police say Thank you Mr. President for saving my job during this Recession. This is really hard for me to understand as I watch Obama work 24/7 on the US Economy Recovery yet he’s attacked by the same people he’s helping.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm.
#178 F. Joseph Mattia says:
Dude, that was like, 16 entries ago.
I’ll consider #178 as that final Hurrah!!
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August 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pmNo. “Condescension” is not the root of racism hatred and bigotry. Fear is the root of racism. The fear of ignorant people, raised by ignorant parents, who are devoid of empathy and, in most cases, lacking in native intelligence.
There’s a very simple thing to keep in mind about humans. We kill what we hate. We hate what we fear. And we fear what we do not understand.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pmAnd we will really, really try not to get your a$$ fired.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pmCrap!
If you show me a bully, a racist, or a bigot I will show you a person who’s fundamentally incapable of understanding much of anything. So? They fear most everything. For all their bluster their own self-image is a cowering, piss-soaked wimp, cowering in a corner in terror of the phantoms he/she created.
So, you see, “condescension” has nothing to do with it.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:29 pmWhat’s gonna happen to good ole Anita anyway? I hope they can her ass. But then again, things aren’t what they used to be. Remember if you said anything against Bush and his cabal? They would toss your ass in jail.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:29 pmBuddy, People who hurt other people; prevent qualified individuals from getting equal pay at equal jobs; or those who discriminate based on race, religion, color or creed all need to be held accountable for their “tangible” actions. A photoshop nowadays is no different than speaking if you can’t see the difference here, you can’t mean what you say. A discriminatory photoshop posting is no different than a flaming cross in a yard.
Or rather, at least the cross burners had enough guts to sneak out in the middle of the night to do their dirty deed while this public employee only had to hit the Send key. If you don’t see that her actions were and are tangible, don’t complain when others find you lacking in decency.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:29 pmDandy says:
Police dispatcher, huh? Poor girl needs to run on back to her trailer park and, please, please don’t do any more dispatching for the police!
I agree and go further, she shouldn’t work any way with the public. Not even a selling sporting goods in Mississippi.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
@140, Zooey
At least we can discuss this civilly.
The root of all hatred, racism and bigotry is condescension.
I’ll have to differ with you there, Mr Mattia. Hatred, racism and bigotry arise from fear, not condescension.
Love may be a bit of a leap for the racists of today, so I’ll settle for meeting people where they are, and then embark on education and acceptance.
I seriously loathe the word “tolerance,” as it implies there is something beneath us which needs to be tolerated.
I think you have something valuable to contribute here, so I hope you’ll continue to come here. A thick skin is desirable. :)
August 16th, 2009 at 7:32 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
Please consider my comment @162 to be my closing statement.
I heart-fully apologize to those who’s sensibilities I’ve offended. I’m not a troll; I’m not here to shout back at you; I’m not here to reduce myself to name-calling, insults or verbal abuse; and above all I’m not here to tell you how to think.
When I say I endorse the first amendment, I do so unequivocally and without exception. People who hurt other people; prevent qualified individuals from getting equal pay at equal jobs; or those who discriminate based on race, religion, color or creed all need to be held accountable for their “tangible” actions. A photoshop nowadays is no different than speaking and is protected speech. I don’t know who said it but I’ll quote it – “I don’t agree with you but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it”.
Gotta give you credit. Vote UP!
August 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThese racist just can’t catch the meaning that President Obama is an African-American with a very US flowing in his veins.
These teabaggin gawd awful idiots can’t get a handle on what to make fun of first…is it his lapel pin, his taste in mustard and leafy greens, his religious beliefs, him eating burgers, him being a hitler, him choosing the family’s dog.
All crap and all sponsored by the repug idiots. Their level of stupidity ranks in the negative numbers.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:42 pmracist repugs are so fun-nee. No matter how many times they see or hear these lame racist attacks they think it original and fun-nee. It’s like their policy making and their mindset, outdated, proven wrong time after time, washed-out, tired, dangerous, one-sided, narrow-minded and stinky.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:47 pmJackass,
According to your theory a photoshopped picture with a racist message is just free speech.
A picture of President Obama depicted as a nazi is also free speech.
By your defense, a sharpie marker, a piece of cardboard and a death threat against the President of the USA should also be considered “free speech”
Let me make it easy for you moron. One instance is considered a felony. The other two may not be.
Common thread in the three is HATE.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pmJust read some TAKE BACK AMERICA crap– what a racist, sexist, ignorant, lying, homophobe. But he/she (likely “he”) is certainly a poster child for the whole “We want to take back America” idiots. Take Back America (all of them) = I’m a stupid, Fox-fed racist, it seems.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm.
So TBA,
If being a (R)epublican is such a good thing because it was your team that fought against slavery, how is using racial slurs acceptable?
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August 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BACK AMERICA!
TAKE BAAAAAAAAAAAACK AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
One more time,
Take back America to what, where or when?
August 16th, 2009 at 7:54 pmWell there is a Dispatcher that needs to be fired.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm(shrug) It’s just how white folks are.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pmP.D. says:
Max@171, Don’t waste your breath, or rather, your typing skills. People like TBA aren’t interested in facts. They would rather bash people like us than have to accept the fact they are nothing but tools for the Neo-Con agenda.
Typical teabaggin strategy: disrupt when the truth is being spoken and when you’re pointed out to give a response or ask a question use bs repug talking points or change the subject.
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sherifffruitfly says:
(shrug) It’s just how white folks are.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Not all of us.
I hope you’re being funny.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:58 pmTime to dispatch this dispatcher to the unemployment line. Have someone ask her how funny it is to not have a job.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:02 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
MLK …and love, hmmm?
And do we remember what happened to him, F. Joseph Mattia?
I’m done with loving these idiots. I’m sick and tired of their ugliness, and, frankly, I’m all for kicking the living crap out of them until they shut the flark up.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm.
#202 sherifffruitfly
That’s a lame azz excuse for bad behavior.
You DO know what an enabler is, no?
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pmIt’s very obvious to me after viewing the above “joke”….the republic party is led by Satan.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:04 pmDumba ss284
How many do you want, dip sht?
Why don’t you grow a pair, live up to your moniker and take a piece of cardboard, a sharpie marker, write a death treat and show up at one of your teabagging gang bangs.
Heck, I bet $1,000 you don’t have the balls to do it right here.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:04 pmDeath threats against President Obama compared to George War Criminal Bush:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
August 16th, 2009 at 8:05 pmOutlaw, don’t like your handle, but do you ever have anything to offer to the thread? I didn’t think so, kind of like the outlaws that I deal with.
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The following photo of George Bush makes the right wing orgasm:
http://instapunk.com/images/bush_hitler02.jpg
August 16th, 2009 at 8:07 pmF. Joseph Mattia says:
Please consider my comment @162 to be my closing statement.
but i can’t help myself blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…..
this kind almost cracks me up… almost…
so clueles… maybe?
and has no clue as to the meaning and purpose of the first amendment…
seems to be a common malady of the white-fright-wing…
August 16th, 2009 at 8:09 pmthere’s a remedy for that… turn off fox/limpballs is the easiest…
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#204 Outlaw,
Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service
US President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched and under-resourced Secret Service, according to a new book.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
AGAIN, your ignorance gives you away!
August 16th, 2009 at 8:10 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So Outlaw, what kind of outlaw are you? Is this a handle you use so you can feel like a tough guy? I know a lot of Outlaws, we don’t get along, but they are the real deal.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pmHow is it that suddenly no one here knows how to post a link? Did the little “link” button disappear?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:12 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hey Outlaw, I wasn’t bashing you for what you said, I was asking you what kind of Outlaw you were.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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TBA/OUTLAW
Obama faces more death threats than Bush: Book
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=102505§ionid=3510203
Sorry loosers.
Your is KKKookkkoo for (R)acism and assassination.
400% increase.
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pmSo Outlaw is an inmate.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm#LOL … er, um… LOL…
O.K.
# 22lol… er, um… LOL…
#225 lol…
Seriously!
LOL
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Big deal. A lot of us have been on the wrong side of the law. The question I asked was, why use the handle outlaw? You do know there is a group out there that wouldn’t take kindly to the use of that handle, unless you where one of them.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Dear Outlaw,
Facts. I copy FACTS.
You spew LIES!
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Outlaw284 says:
angels81
That depends on how you want to look at it. Have I been in jail? Yes Have I and do I break the Law? Yes Have I been in Prison? Yes
Any more questions.
So you have a criminal record and experience interacting with skinheads. Glenn Beck must have dropped his books off at the prison library – that must explain your gut-wrenching stupid attempt at debate.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hi Outlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pmWhat does the 284 represent?
KayInMaine,
August 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pmThen this is some good pron:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Bush+hitler&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1
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Outlaw, so why come to a progressive blog with such a handle? Is it to give the impression that you are a tough guy? I take issue with the use of your handle, because you seem to know that people might think you are something you are not. That’s not cool guy.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
Max Anax junius -1
You are a broken record. Prove what I have said to be a lie. But since you can’t sit there and let the grownups talk.
Favorite troll tactic: Post something without proof, then require the pack to disprove it as if it stands as the truth. Sprinkle with insults and arrogance.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:26 pmOh no Take Back America, someone calls themself Outlaw, information overload…..secret is out
August 16th, 2009 at 8:28 pmTake Back America, don’t get involved in something you know nothing about.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:28 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
angels81 says:
Take Back America, don’t get involved in something you know nothing about.
Which pretty much means EVERYTHING.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Dear Outlaw,
I’ve caught you LYING three times in the last 24 hours.
How many more LIES can one tell before they are known as being a LIAR?
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Outlaw284 says:
McWars
You still haven’t proven what I said wrong. But keep trying.
First, you have to do your part and prove it right. Step 2 doesn’t come before Step 1.
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Outlaw, there is your problem, you have no idea what it means to be a progressive. We really are a big tent. There is room for people who are very different when it comes to our personal lives, unlike you repugs. I am who I am, I happen to be 1% of the biker world, but I am also a progressive when it comes to the big issues of this country. That’s the part you repugs will never understand about us progressives.
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Dear Outlaw,
I have told you before, until you can prove that you’re an American, your babble means nothing to me. Now, prove it!
I demand to see that long form, from YOU!
See McWars,
It’s not proving a double negative when (R)epublicans do it…
… YES?
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:38 pmOutlaw,
I love your sanity and I fear for it.
Prove me wrong, fatherf&cker.
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UCSBKitty says:
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TAKE BACK AMERICA says:
I just showed this pic to my black conservative friend, hes in tears laughing so hard.
right, so that means you’re not racist too? Because you have a “black conservative friend” somewhere? Somehow I doubt such a friend exists…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm Vote Up | Vote Down | (6) | Report AbuseYep, and fred sanford like to say some of his best friends were white.
tony and lido
F. Joseph sounds a lot like b-cup.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
angels81 says:
Outlaw is another wannabe and chose the name to make himself appear to be the tough guy he isn’t in reality. I bet he won’t admit that most of his criminal record is the result of DUI’s.
Be easy on him, Troll Central has been decimated and these pathetic trolls are all that is left.
The Latin King wannabe Trajan and his pathetic minions have finally hit bottom.
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Back on track for a moment OutLawed, do you approve of racist jokes like the Ni66er1 tail markkking?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:43 pmTake back America:
You don’t know shit about who or what I am. If you ever are up in Minneapolis, stop by the Joint and ask for JJ, I’ll buy you a drink and we can talk.
Like I said before, stay out of things you don’t know about. You just make yourself look stupid. I don’t know shit about you, so I would never try to make people think I did. Wise up guy.
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239 dbadass
I would be careful with p*ssy284.
He is HARD CORE.
He did time. A whole 1 hour at the principal’s office for texting his boyfriend one row over during home ek class.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:46 pmSo, you don’t agree with it, but would you laugh at it in private, or condemn it if told to you?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:46 pmRUCerious
August 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pmIf you had read any of the comments before you would have seen that I said “Well there is a Dispatcher that needs to be fired.”
#201
So, inlaw, your real name is Captain Fudd?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Funniest damn thing ive seen all day. I would wear a shirt with that pic on it.
Of course you would you racist piece of trash. Will you wear it underneath your white robes?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pmThis new crop of trolls is really whiny.
It makes me long for Mighty Aphrodite…
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Outlaw284 says:
McWars
It isn’t my fault that you didn’t read the link that you posted. Now you want to try that again. Your Link and the paragraph came from YOUR link not out of context the whole paragraph and you can’t stand it.
Your contention was that one of the bills would add 239M to the deficit, and I posted two links refuting that claim. Deficit neutrality was the issue on your mind and ultimately the topic of debate. Moving the goal posts from an issue you cleanly lost doesn’t cut it. As far as coverage rate and cost is concerned, the bill out of Senator Kennedy’s committee still has my endorsement. But thanks to uninformed children like you, we can’t discuss the public option or bills that received a seal approval because you’ll take a 1/2 term governor’s word for it, a person who rambles incoherently with no grasp on complex issues. You are a bunch of uneducated children and I’m sure you’re all older than me. That says something.
BTW, continue running on empty on the pertinent thread. You have no right to steal this thread, too.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pmOutedLoon is very good at diversion, isn’t he? He’s stuck on, “Oh yeah? Prove it!” in the hopes no one will talk about the subject of the thread. Pathetic.
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Now that Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin are the leaders of their party, it’s safe to call this party a religious cult. Anyone else agree? They are bigoted racists who speak in tongues.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pmSorry Outlaw,
August 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pmI put my dol1ar on johnny.
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So Outlaw, now that you know that you might give the impression that you are something you are not, why would you not change your handle, so as to not offend people? I’ve been on this sight for quite awhile, and that handle does offend me, and I thought you were saying you were an Outlaw.
People come here all the time, and try to make out they are something they are not, so you can see why I asked.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pmBears repeating:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Start cutting checks for the war you wanted. $3 trillion dollars isn’t coming out of my pocket only. Leave something as human and compassionate — two things that escape you — to the adults.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pmI’m not even going to mention Kay’s clams. Razor clams are they, Kay?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pmOh really? What was your question to me that needs some facts that you will end up sticking your fingers in your ears or putting your hands over your eyes, because you don’t want the truth anywhere near ya?
August 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pmYep! I got me razor clams right here! *sharpening them in the air*
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OutedLoon, can you tell us what kind of racist cartoon of President Obama makes you laugh silly? We’d love to know and we’d love to know what about it makes you belly laugh. Thanks pal.
By the way, there is no bill yet. There are 3 House versions and 2 in the Senate.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pmA number why?
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August 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pmWell just becuase you didn;t choice them at random. The outlaw part is pretend I assume but the number must mean something…
So I see this thread has been hijacked by ignorant morons.
Why respond to these idiots?
Ignore them, do not repost their crap.
They are scum and should be treated as such.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pmHello Outlaw,
I am still waiting for you to provide evidence that Americans did not want Medicare or Medicaid when those programs first launched.
I guess I caught you in a lie yesterday, and you are still spreading your lies today. I wonder if God is watching you and I wonder how he will judge you for your behavior.
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Levi,
I don’t know about God, but the FSM is totally pissed,
August 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pmAll you do is babble from your hemmorhoid encrusted mouth and then when you can’t breath, you start spewing your noxious gases from your other mouth below your back!
By the way, this bears repeating again for you to read:
August 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Sorry about the numerous typos Outlaw284 but I think you can still tell what I ment
August 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pmKay,
What did McWars say…?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pmMaybe it’s time for you to drink the liberal koolaid, because if you haven’t noticed, we are the ones with the facts, you know, those KNOWN TRUTHS that you refuse to absorb!
Now, let’s get back to the subject of the thread. How racist are you and what do you find funny about the above photo?
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Thanks, Kay. ;)
August 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pmThe troll just caused the irony meter to explode.
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Oh, I’m sorry Zooey! What McWars said bears repeating! Here it is again:
Your contention was that one of the bills would add 239M to the deficit, and I posted two links refuting that claim. Deficit neutrality was the issue on your mind and ultimately the topic of debate. Moving the goal posts from an issue you cleanly lost doesn’t cut it. As far as coverage rate and cost is concerned, the bill out of Senator Kennedy’s committee still has my endorsement. But thanks to uninformed children like you, we can’t discuss the public option or bills that received a seal approval because you’ll take a 1/2 term governor’s word for it, a person who rambles incoherently with no grasp on complex issues. You are a bunch of uneducated children and I’m sure you’re all older than me. That says something.
BTW, continue running on empty on the pertinent thread. You have no right to steal this thread, too.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
August 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Outlaw284 was having a discussion with a spambot on another thread. I couldn’t stop laughing.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pmAw jeebus, the joke is ruined by time travel.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pmWhat facts did I state that you smacked down, OutedLoon? List ‘em out for me so I can laugh and point.
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You were giving the spambot heck too and it kicked your ass.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pmMcWars
You just can’t admit it can you. I took YOUR LINK and proved you wrong with it. So you came up with another one to try and save Yourself. Keep trying
You took a link entitled “CBO Scores Confirm Deficit Neutrality of Health Insurance Reform Bill”, took a sentence out of context (a detrimental effect posed), left out the offsets, and I reminded you that the $239M figure was estimated because the Medicare reimbursement rates that republicans gradually cut starting in 1997 (and Dems want to kill old people? Hmm?), the democrats wanted to include in the bill a fix to reverse that trend.
The second link, “House Health Reform Bill Produces A $6 Billion Surplus” detailed important savings in Medicare and Medicaid.
It takes a mental midget with a lust for power to think he’d prove me wrong with my own link.
As I said, take it on the pertinent thread.
And Kay, thanks for your endorsement, my friend!
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Outlaw,
I know what you said, I could quote it for you if you want, but you don’t seem to understand that just because you say it, does not make it true.
I asked you to prove what you claimed, and you have failed to do so.
If you are not willing to back up what you say, then you are just a liar. Everyone here already knows it, but I am here to remind you over and over and over…..
August 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pmReggie, irony is a concept that is far beyond the reach of outlaw. He talks to fencposts too.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmI bet most of the right wingers online are blogging from their prison cells.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmJeez, I can hardly believe that Outhouse has managed to waste this much time on TP. I know he’s a fun troll to whack senseless at Whack-A-Troll™ and it’s a guilt-free activity since his flexible morals and standards allow him to quickly regain shape and pretend that nothing has happened, but come on!
Maybe it’s time someone called for an old-fashioned FnF?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA, as you can see outlaw has just fessed up to it. Why not do the same and admit that you are as ignorant as he is for defending him. It’s what a real man would do.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmHi TAKE BACK AMERICA
August 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmI know you have been asked before but I must have missed the answer. It it back to when, why, and how?
I hate laptops… “Take” it…
August 16th, 2009 at 9:08 pmYou’re welcome McWars! *slapping OutedLoon with a razor clam*
August 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pmTrajan, who did you have to sleep with before you were named a contributor at Olbermann Watch?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pmKayInMaine would that be a true razor clam or more of the stout tagulus variety…
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The Atlantic razor clam:
http://www.alaskanfeast.com/razor_clams.jpg
Don’t step on one when they’re empty! But do feel free to slice & dice a troll with one. LOL
August 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pmRalph, you need to check out this thread at about post #253 outlaw calls out a spambot that used your name and his troll brother jumped in too.
It was so darned funny. Just about the funniest thing I have ever seen happen here. Irony…..they just don’t get it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/cpr-tricked-women/#comments
August 16th, 2009 at 9:12 pmPost 252 Ralph.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:12 pmdbadass, my guess is he wants to TAKE AMERICA BACK TO THE FIFTIES.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:12 pmOutedLoon, President Obama said he will NOT sign any health care reform bill into law that adds to the deficit. Did you hear this fact coming from the Prez’s mouth or were you busy sticking your fingers in your ears again so you can’t hear anyone but your own warped thoughts?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:12 pmFred, that is hilarious. Thanks for the tip.
Outhouse argued with a spambot and STILL got his ass kicked.
Classic!
August 16th, 2009 at 9:16 pmFred, that’s got to get its own entry into the Troll Hall of Fame.
troll argues with spambot. Troll loses.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:16 pmHi ralph:
August 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pmWhat do you think the 284 means…
We should give emmy’s for the most troll like perforance. This is a definate nominee…
Glad you enjoyed it. I know I did and I will be using it in the future for even more laughter.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pmjeezus… 300+… the last 100+ are trooll poop…
as i would frequently say to my 4 little brothers (at the time):
SHAAAAADUP!!!
August 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm.
OH FOR GAWD’S SAKE…
Dear Outlaw,
How many “Health Care bills” are there?
Remember that discussion yesterday?
You stuck to your guns and said ONE!
I guess my Googler is bigger than your Googler.
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August 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pmNot to speak for Ralph but maybe it’s a bored out 283. You know how that happens.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pmTakeBackAmerica said,
I love pointing out all the different groups this fascist wingnut hates when he posts.
Apparently he hates anyone that is Islamic, anyone that has black skin, anyone that sell drugs and anyone that uses drugs. So much hate in these fascists. It reminds me so much of the hatred the Nazi fascists showed towards the Jews. The only difference is that fascist Republican Americans hate lots more groups.
I think its time to vote down every post TBA posts, and flag him for making racist comments.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:20 pmIt’s been a fun day mom.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmnow, since the med thread is dead, some fairly good news:
Say What? Sebelius Touts Public Option on ‘This Week’, Throws It Under the Bus on CNN.
By Susie Madrak Sunday Aug 16, 2009 4:00pm
Oh, the Republicans have been having a field day with this mantra – that employers would shunt their employees into the public plan. But they’re really upset for the same reason Sebelius mentioned as a positive: Job lock. Above all else, the Republican party stands for cheap, disposable labor with no rights or protections. God forbid you should have a public option – you could up and leave your job anytime you wanted!
In the meantime, the White House released this statement late this afternoon:
August 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmhttp://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/say-what-sebelius-touts-public-option
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The 1850’s and the days of slavery.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pmSo Outlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pmThe outlaw part is ludicrous but can you please explain the 284…
Thanks
I usually don’t take people seriously when I have caught them talking to a machine and actually expecting it to give a reasoned response to an ignorant question.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pmWell, I’m going to bed laughing once again at the numbnut troll who is blogging from his prison cell! Loser!
August 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pm.
And of course, the typical “Teabagger” response…
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/nn-townhalls/#comment-5764234
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August 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pmWell, Outlaw, so far you have misinterpreted every provision in the health reform bill I have seen you post on, Then you have gone about spreading misinformation on what you read while castigating others for not reading the text of the legislation.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pmKaty @337,
I still want to know why the HHS thinks Americans don’t deserve affordable health care. She has said as much at least once, today!
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August 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pmFrankly I dont know whats worse, not reading the bill or reading it then running around, chicken little-esque claiming those provisions were death panels that government wanted to kill un-standard people.
So, its probably worse to read something, misinterpolate it, then run around spreading falsities.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pmHate in America is alive and well. Hate doesn’t need healthcare reform
August 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pmhttp://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BILLSUMMARY-071409.pdf
August 16th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
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FOUND IT!!!
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/nn-townhalls/#comment-5764394
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August 16th, 2009 at 9:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw,
I am wondering when you are going to provide me evidence that Americans did not want Medicare or Medicaid when those programs first launched.
I can wait all night, what’s it going to be boy?
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You mean this one Max. I’m telling you the right just doesn’t get irony:
Take back America was talking to the spam bot too. Anyone surprised?
By the way, did we finally find a point where the trolls are just too embarrassed and left? That would be icing on the cake.
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RealityCheck, who are you talking to, a spam bot? And who are you kidding. You shold be getting used to losing by now.
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RealityCheck says:
Did you check out the thread where your brother troll, Outlaw tried to start up a conversation with a spam-bot?
Now that you’re here, it appears that Troll Central truly has scrapped the bottom of the troll barrel.
Good Luck
August 16th, 2009 at 9:52 pmUm Reality Check, you have paid for many babies deaths by your taxpayer dollars using to buy and drop bombs on innocent women and children and even the unborn.
As for the death panels, they never existed and its the private insiurance companies that use ‘death panels’ they like to fool you with nice word for it: Recisssion.
As for your tax dollars not paying for others health insurance, your reality needs to be checked. Texas has a health insurance pool that gets federal grant money [your tax dollars] to keep premium rates down.
No, go run around screamy haid, as you will, about how the socialist communist private insurance companies are stealing your money.
BTW, your really should have that ‘reality’ of yours checked by a professional and please, so you dont run around looking foolish, stop listening to and repeating pundits.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:53 pmWho, that handfull of teabaggers they keep bussing from town to town, pretending they are different each time?
If they don’t like it they can leave.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:53 pmI knew someone was going to be giving me grief for calling the outlaw troll “boy”. Fact of the matter is, I was just quoting a song from Meatloaf. It is neither a racial slur in the song, nor was I using it as a racial slur here.
You however, did not know that, and you dove for the bait, just like I knew one of you would.
Fascist Republicans are so predictable, it can and should be used against them.
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Outlaw,
What part of prove it don’t you understand?
August 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm.
Dear CheckedOutOfReality,
Why do you think Americans don’t deserve affordable health care?
If by “Death Panels” you mean a person(s) who decides if you’re gonna receive necessary treatment, or not, I say…
… THEY’RE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE STATUS QUO!
Again, who’s the baby killer…
… Because your team already off’d that dude just because his mane rhymed.
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August 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pmHi Reality Check…
August 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pmOnce again you are spreading misinformation. Its not about national health care, but health insurance reform, you are not required to go to any government VA type hospitals, which, ironically you will be once you get into the military, which is, according to you, socialism.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pmOutlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 9:58 pmIf you won’t tell me the origins of284 will you at least admit that you thought 38 Special was cool?
Enjoy those government doctors and VA hospitals who will soon be sticking needles into you while sticking government gloved fingers up your anti-government health care arse before giving their recommendation of you to the governments non-standard humans death panel.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:58 pmSays the so called adult who has conversations with inanimate objects. Ha.
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Who, mommy?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:02 pmOutlaw284 seems a little scared of me. I wonder why that is…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:03 pmI didn’t know strom thurman was that old!!!
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Fred,
I stick to what I said before, regarding (R)acists, I just forgot to add the proverbial, “… and the like” to it.
I point and laugh.
Their reaction tells me all I need to know.
If they defend their actions, it’s because their (R)acism is somehow, a defensible place to be.
If they regroup and acknowledge and change their (R)acist way/views, well, that too, speaks volumes.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pmRealityCheck says:
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RC… you’re back!
Sooooooo… how’d yer little stint as Deppity Dawg turn out?
Ya know… when you were gonna report one of the posters here to the FBI and the Orally Factor fer Makin’ Threats!!!!
Hmmmmmm???
August 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pmYour boyfriend has a size 12 foot?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pmHe opened a can of whupass on himself on another thread earlier and he’s prolly a little tender in places right now db.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pmXisithrus
catch up on the posts. I was talking about 1965 in that post.
I dont think you were even born in 1965 if your just now joining the military.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pmMax Anax junius -1
I follow Max. They make racist remarks and then defend it as if it weren’t racist at all. That’s a sure sign of a racist.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pmOutlaw,
I am waiting for you to prove that Americans did not want Medicare or Medicaid when those programs first launched.
I realize you have made the same claim over and over, but just because you make the claim, does not make it true.
I want you to try to understand that when you make up things that are not true, its called lying, and it is bad. When you lie, an angel dies. Now go to your room and no more computer for a week!
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freakin’ pussies…
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Outlaw284 says:
The democrats have been beating, murdered, tortured and terrorized African Americans by members of the Democratic Party from 1792 to 1962.
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Try again, pal…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)
The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Democratic-Republican Party. The party favored states’ rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank and wealthy, moneyed interests.
The Democratic-Republican Party ascended to power in the election of 1800. After the War of 1812, the party’s chief rival, the Federalist Party disbanded. Democratic-Republicans split over the choice of a successor to President James Monroe, and the party faction that supported many of the old Jeffersonian principles, led by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, became the Democratic Party.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pmWow, the hits just keep on comin on. There was no Democratic party in 1792 little one.
How many times do you have to have your a$$ handed to you before you just bow your head and walk away? Is there a number because it’s happend about 10 times here today.
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Maybe it has something to do with his butt kicked one time too
August 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pmmany by you and your fellow conspirator Zooey.
You’d think Outlaw284 would know about Google by now, huh, Fred…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pmyour mama
August 16th, 2009 at 10:12 pm—-
good one. But do you have any mommy mommy jokes. I used to love those when I was like maybe 12….
You know, Obama was elected on Change, and I guess if the Democratic Party can elect the first person without white skin, then they certainly have shown they can change.
I wonder if modern Republicans will be able to change out of the fascist party they have become?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pmGot me one you need to go to this thread, post 252 and a little lower. These are your allies. Sucks to be you.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/cpr-tricked-women/comment-page-6/#comment-5765157
yep, your compadres were talking to a spam bot. We have nominated it for the troll hall of fame.
Your not even in the competition.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pmNo, Outlaw, that was racists who were doing that. And this guilt by association thing your trying just doesnt hold water.
Its like me saying that because the guy who shot those people in church, who read Hannity books, a right wing murderer, all right wingers are murderers and extremist haters.
Its illogical to even base an argument on such things. Yes, I know, left and right pundits, do it all the time. But it just shows the gullibility of people who buy that guilt by associtation blame game stuff.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm.
And then there was that second LIE… er… umm… un-truthy-ness.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/nn-townhalls/#comment-5764432
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August 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pmThe democrats have been beating, murdered, tortured and terrorized African Americans by members of the Democratic Party from 1792 to 1962.
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It would appear that basic grammatical construction isn’t one of his strengths either. Or perhaps the RNC is again outsourcing its trolling to overseas interests.
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So this 1965 stuff, who did what, when, flys in the face of reality and is a very disengenuous way of debating a point.
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So Outlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 10:16 pmI take it the law won…I know you are reading me and I know you are unsure how to handle it….
Outlaw,
Do not tell me what I said. If you want to quote me, please do so.
I am still waiting for you to prove what you said is true or not. I never said I either did or did not agree with anything you have claimed.
I am simply waiting for you to either back it up with evidence or for you to admit you made it up, Palin style.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:17 pmRush Limbaugh is a drug addict who makes racial remarks ergo anyone who listens to him is a drug addict and a racist.
That kind of thinking is beyond illogical and into the arena of dishonesty…
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go after the grammer
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm—
After the grammar rodeo you might condider the spelling rodeo
So everyone today is, by association, thinks just like Thomas Jefferson?
Is that your point?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pmor consider…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pmRepublic of Stupidity, check out posts 324 328 and 329 of this thread for a belly laugh.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:20 pmFred @381,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pmThey sure do. And when you call them on it…
… they play the “Race Card”.
not get a piece of A$$ off your teachers
August 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm—
I only know 2 people that nailed their high school teachers and both of them are way bright…
OT
Versus is showing bull riding right now. Is that part of the grammer rodeo?
Maybe some of these red-neck trolls can go find something better to do than try to flood us with fascist propaganda.
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Outlaw284 says: Xisithrus
The same way that everyone on here is saying that if you are a republican then you are all the same.
I have not said that and I think thats also a fallacy that all republicans are the same.
Why Rush is fat and Coulter is skinny.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:24 pm[I am joking here]
What liberal talking points would those be outlaw?
What do liberal talking points have to do with you providing evidence people did not want Medicaid or Medicare when those programs started up?
Do you think that asking you to back up your propaganda with evidence is a liberal talking point?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pmTRoS @391,
He’s just embarrassed that his Googler is smaller than my Googler.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pmOutlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pmMaybe you can come up with something other than your fear of me and inability to tackle the simple question of 284…
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Outlaw284 says:
Here we go again can’t dispute the facts have to go after the grammer.
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Your comments are generally so incoherent it’s hard to follow what you imagine you’re saying.
BTW… here’s where he got his “In an effort to impede and or deny African Americans the same constitutional rights [... blah blah blah... blah blah blah... blah blah blah...] from 1792 to 1962, and continued certain practices up to 2002″ routine from:
http://www.wayneperryman.com/wp/?page_id=3
Inner City Minister Sues Democratic Party For Reparations
[ Seattle , January 3, 2005 ] On December 10th 2004 , inner-city minister, Rev Wayne Perryman, – filed a class action Reparation lawsuit (in the United States District Court in Seattle Case No. CV04-2442), alleging “that because of their racist past practices the Democratic Party should be required to pay African Americans Reparations.?? Perryman said “he based his case on the research that he gathered during the past five years while writing the three editions of his latest book: (click here to view in pdf format)
Unfounded Loyalty
An In-depth Look Into The Love Affair Between Blacks & Democrats
In his 100-page brief, Perryman concludes that the past racist policies and practices that were initiated against African Americans by the Democratic Party – were no different than the policies and practices that were initiated by the Nazi Party against the Jews. In both situations millions of lives were destroyed (physically, mentally and economically).
Wayne Perryman… A CONSERVATIVE Black leader and Author…
No doubt, god friends w/ Mikey Steele.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:26 pmLevi @393,
They have…
LIE-CHEAT-STEELE
THE “NEW” G(no)P
They did campaign on re-branding, NO?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:27 pmMax Anax junius -1 says:
He’s just embarrassed that his Googler is smaller than my Googler.
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No doubt atrophied from lack of proper use.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pmPeople say all Texans are inbred redneck sheep screwers too — Am I to get angry because I believe that? Of course not. Its so ludicrous who would believe it or even let it get under their skin?
Pfft. Everyone knows goats are much better in bed here.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm.
ANd yet more un-truthy-ness…
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/15/nn-townhalls/#comment-5764529
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August 16th, 2009 at 10:29 pmBoy tros, you kinda left something hanging in mid air. wonder if the fools get it?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:31 pmUnfortunatley pundits, left and right, make millions from creating such controversy. Why people fall for it…again and again is stupifying.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:31 pmWhat we have here is a widespread criminal organization that owns the Republican Party and uses tactics of fascism and theocracy.
They have mastered the art of propaganda and are using 21st century media tools to do it. Look at the mindless zombies they send here to babble idiotic talking points. Utterly brainwashed and unable to even recognize the most basic concept of evidence.
This is a frightening time to be alive. We must never allow this C-street family to return to power.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:33 pmDick Armey has jumped the shark.
“In September or October there will be a hyped up outbreak of the swine flu which they’ll say is as bad as the bubonic plague to scare the bed-wetters to vote for healthcare reform,” said Mr Armey. “That is the only way they can push something on to the American people that the American people don’t want.”
August 16th, 2009 at 10:34 pmLINK
Levi the Dungbeetle says:
Do you think that asking you to back up your propaganda with evidence is a liberal talking point?
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Oh, come on, Levi… everyone knows the use of “facts” to back up your argument is nothing but librul trickery.
Conservatives MAKE UP their own reality, while the rest of us just watch…
Said to Ron Suskind, 10/17/04:
‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
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TRoS @422,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pmOr proper development…
Outlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 10:36 pmIgnoring it won’t make me make you look less weak…
Guess what I found at
http://dearbornunderground.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html
In 2004 the plaintiff in that suit, the Rev. Wayne Perryman, argued how
“in an effort to impede and or deny African Americans the same constitutional rights afforded to all American citizens, the Democratic Party established a pattern of (sic) practice by promoting, supporting, sponsoring and financing racially bias (sic) entertainment, education, legislation, litigations, and terrorist organizations from 1792 to 1962 and continued certain practices up to 2002.”
so now OutLard is a plagearist.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:38 pmI am not the world’s greatest student of history, but has any political movement, that delved into fascism, ever been able to shake off that reputation?
I am pretty sure that once a party becomes fascist, it is unable to remove the stigma of being fascist until it is defeated or dissolved.
Can anyone think of any example of any fascist organization that was able to return from the brink?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:38 pmReggie,
link broken
:(
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You haven’t “showed” us much of anything and the only evidence is that you are weak minded fools.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:40 pmIs Troll Central hiring?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:40 pmI am not surprised considering their recent inability to field any decent trolls.
Xsisthrus @ 415
Rush is fat because he is a racist, sexist pig.
Although he’s not as fat now, because he’s added diet pill crack
to his pharmaceutical repertoire.
And Coulter is Coultergeist.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:41 pmShe lives on a diet of only hate and lies.
TRoS @429,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:41 pmIt’s called…
… “FIXING THE FACTS AROUND THE POLICY”
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Max Anax junius -1 :
Sorry about the broken link.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a6a34fa8-8a85-11de-ad08-00144feabdc0.html
August 16th, 2009 at 10:43 pmTHAT IS FUNNY!
August 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pmI am thinking “Inlaw284″ might make more sense… Just watch this poser won’t do shit no matter how much a pwn them…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:45 pmSaid to Ron Suskind, 10/17/04:
‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
Alot of people attribute that to Rove, but I am not so sure about that as Kissinger often visited the white house and advised the Bush folks.
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Outlawed4plagerism,
I am still waiting for you to provide evidence to back up your claim that people did not want Medicaid or Medicare when those programs started up.
So far you have told me I can’t read, and that because you said it, it was true, and you said that I have agreed with you, and that I am just spouting liberal talking points.
The only thing you haven’t done is provide me the evidence to back up your claim. Why is that do you think?
Why don’t you grow a pair and admit you lied.
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in fact the most stupid people i know are collage educated
C’mon, making collages isn’t that hard.
Dufus.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:48 pmRush and Coulter actually have much in common. Both confess allegiance to the republican party, both point fingers and lay blame, both write horrible books, neither are married, neither have kids, neither served in the military and both are men.
/joking
August 16th, 2009 at 10:51 pmI can say anything I want about that pussy motherf ucker pretend “outlaw” and they won’t do shit because well… because they are a pussy motherf ucker…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:51 pmReggie,
Thanks.
Dear D!ck Armey,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:51 pmWhat’s a conspiracy theory?
and both are men.
/joking
August 16th, 2009 at 10:51 pmnot.
hating on college grads, I mean, come on. what are people who want to be success do? not everyone is paris hilton. although I bet she is you’re idol RUC.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:53 pmthe absolute stupid just eeks out of this post. I notice he mentioned hog farming. Anyone surprised?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:53 pmIGotNothing
is back to consciousness after a day of hard work at the Atlanta airport restrooms servicing faithful republicans.
So, where are you performing next, IGotNothing?
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Most people’s collage education ends when their mother removes it from over the crib. Or did you mean “colluj?”
August 16th, 2009 at 10:56 pmExcept RUC was responding to someone who used collage
Note the spelling errors which we have become used to from the trolls.
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Outlaw284 is oh so afraid… What a baby.
August 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pmThe Moderate Squad says:
Most people’s collage education ends when their mother removes it from over the crib. Or did you mean “colluj?”
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Clearly, he was referring to “collagen”…
Sheesh…
***eyes roll***
August 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pmXisithrus @ 461
Also, both are overpaid media whores, although i’m sure
August 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pmtheir actual sex lives are, uh, not comparable in any way.
isn’t gallup a notoriously bias polling company that makes a living trying to prove that there are still republicans out there?
August 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pmThe concept of national health insurance began in the early 1900s and came to prominence during the Truman administration. Between 1958 and 1964, controversy grew and a bill was drafted. The signing of the act, as part of Johnson’s Great Society, began an era with a greater emphasis on public health issues. Although the overall politics of Medicare and Medicaid were liberal, the help of John Byrnes, a Republican, and the American Medical Association were essential in drafting what became United States’ first public health insurance program
August 16th, 2009 at 10:58 pmGotMeOne said,
The 11th defining characteristic of fascism is:
August 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pmYou see here the fascist propagandist GotMeOne expressing his disdain for those with more education than he has.
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Xisithrus says:
Alot of people attribute that to Rove, but I am not so sure about that as Kissinger often visited the white house and advised the Bush folks.
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Suskind never gave a name. He claimed “a senior Bush advisor” had said it to him.
Doesn’t quite sound like Kissinger. Henry would have been pretty old by then and it sounds like the boast of a younger man.
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killinger is the undead. his biography is literally bigger than the entire internet. Suskind siad “senior” no one more senior that Henry the 8th.
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Hi Outlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 11:06 pmThe outlaw shit is comical at best but about that 284? Are you still too frightened? I’ll bet you are…
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All the Odomites from the stalker/hate blog are cowards, do you expect this loser to be anything less than a sniveling coward?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:08 pmCan we trust any poll conducted by a corporation?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:08 pmMakes me wonder if Addington ever advised Bush
August 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pmGot me one says:
you have – - you just can’t understand what it is you posted– being smart does not make you wise, in fact the most stupid people i know are collage educated…
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Whoa…
***TRoS makes wobba-wobba-wobba noise shaking his head…***
What a… a… Masterpiece of Irony, Li’l Feller…
This is as good as the feller carrying the “Wake up, morans” sign last fall…
Are you channeling the spirit of Yogi Berra?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pmI saw on fox that they were citing a poll that asked people “do you think the healthcare bill will raise the deficit?” it was like 57% yes. BUT it doesn’t say if people are in favor of it or not. Like me, I think it might raise the deficit but thats fine with me, What is another couple hundred billion? its like staying in Iraq for another year.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pmdo you expect this loser to be anything less than a sniveling coward?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pm— Yes.Yes I do. I expect this rat ass pieceof shit to have the balls to challenge me…
The only poll that matters is called an “election”.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:10 pmUn uh, they are all wealthy Hollywood celebrity elitists…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pmHey, I’ve heard of the Outlaws
They’re the ones that got their panties in a bunch because some other little club was wearing jackets with the word “Florida” on them.
They started a pissing match that ended up getting a few of them killed because of a childish little turf war.
Not surprising that a childish little scooter club would have a generally right wing leaning.
Gangs are silly. SO are Republicans.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:13 pmFred says:
Republic of Stupidity, check out posts 324 328 and 329 of this thread for a belly laugh.
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I saw that earlier Fred.
A classic… rates right up there w/ Mr P’s famous “The Saudis aren’t really Muslims” comment, or the equally hilarious “Saddam was hung/hanged” kerfluffle…
Some day, we should put together a Top Ten list of the trolls’ worst moments…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:15 pmAin’t gonna happen, the yellow streak that runs down Outlaw’s back is wider than the one that divides highways.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pmXisithrus says:
Makes me wonder if Addington ever advised Bush
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I could see that. Libby? Doesn’t sound like Bolton.
It’s too easy to pin it on Rove… but…
Who else was in that Inner Circle?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pmPolls are just something else for people to manipulate for money,
like interest rates and political influence.
Alway consider the source, and the motivation.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:18 pmReggie says:
Ain’t gonna happen, the yellow streak that runs down Outlaw’s back is wider than the one that divides highways.
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Ever see “The Caine Mutiny”???
That was Captain Queeg’s nickname: Old Yellowstain…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:20 pmOutlaw284
August 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pmChange your name chump because I already own the last one…
The Republic of Stupidity says:
I saw that earlier Fred.
A classic… rates right up there w/ Mr P’s famous “The Saudis aren’t really Muslims” comment, or the equally hilarious “Saddam was hung/hanged” kerfluffle…
Some day, we should put together a Top Ten list of the trolls’ worst moments…
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And then there was the time Wayne challenged Dr Dog to free spar w/ him in Austin and Tha Dawg claimed he went to Austin, but Katy busted him over a time zone mistake.
Good times… good times…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pmCheney was considered to be a top Bush advisor…and we know he is an exceptionalist [empiricist]
August 16th, 2009 at 11:24 pmCheney also liked to make up ‘new realitie’ stories about yellowcake, aluminum tubes, Saddam and Al Qaeda, leak those realities to the press, then appear on the news and confirm them.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pmYes, it’s awful and racist.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pmHave you all been emailing and calling your elected Democratic officials in Washington about their utter spinelessness in the face of Republican, conservative and corporate interests on health care reform? The threat this weekend of losing the public option entirely is the wake up call for a PROGRESSIVE BLITZKREIG! Email the Dems in Washington, everyone from the top down, and tell them to grow a set, and stop letting Sarah Palin frame the national debate!
Looks like outlawed4plagerism is going to bail on another thread without providing the evidence I have been requesting.
I guess I will just have to keep on asking on the next thread.
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Why would you think that? It’s not as if the li’l feller goes seeking information…
BTW, TRoS, I actually have begun compiling a Troll Hall of Fame™. It only dates to January of this year, but it starts off with a classic — Daryll’s claim that “the bible says an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:27 pmXisithrus says:
Cheney was considered to be a top Bush advisor…and we know he is an exceptionalist [empiricist].
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True… but it doesn’t sound right coming out of his mouth.
BTW, Cheney was also a Dick…
***said w/ straight face…***
What? What’d I say?
It’s his NAME… fer cryin’ out loud… some people…
Richard “Dick” Cheney…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:28 pmStrangely, though, I missed the Mr. Pee “Saudis are not muslims” comment. I really wish TP would allow us to search the comments by screen name…
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Never gets old, does it?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:32 pmSo? Should we get down to her level and tell Polack jokes about Polack police dispatchers?
Resign immediately, Anita Malachowski.
Yes, do! You’re a disgrace to the Polish people. Hell, you’re a disgrace to all Slavs everywhere!
August 16th, 2009 at 11:33 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Why would you think that? It’s not as if the li’l feller goes seeking information…
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True… no argument on that one, ralphie…
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BTW, TRoS, I actually have begun compiling a Troll Hall of Fame™. It only dates to January of this year, but it starts off with a classic — Daryll’s claim that “the bible says an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”.
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Aw, come on, ralphie… that’s not what Darryl said…
The EXACT quote was: “an empty hand is the Devil’s next date”…
Or sumpin like that…
Ohhhhh…
And don’t forget the many different times Darryl announced his wife was “with child”. Poor woman was preggers sumpin like 14 to 16 months, if I recall correctly.
And then there’s the time Zooey peed in his bird bath…
Heh…
Darryl DEFINITELY makes that list, ralphie…
August 16th, 2009 at 11:34 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Strangely, though, I missed the Mr. Pee “Saudis are not muslims” comment. I really wish TP would allow us to search the comments by screen name…
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That goes back to the fall of 2007, I think.
It was HILARIOUS….
And to make it even better, he based his claim on a comment attributed to Osama bin Ladin that he culled from an interview he found posted at NPR’s website, I recall.
We rubbed it in his face for WEEKS…
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OT, but I know we are all thinking about this:
How and why is public option going down the tubes and what is a co op option going to do for US?
On the link,DU, you can sign on to an ad supporting public option.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:43 pm“Dick” Cheney is nothing but a corporate whore that will try to destroy anything that interferes with his allegiance.
His diseased heart is his karma.
His “New World Vision” is one of private prisons filled with undereducated, non-insured people laboring for corporate manufacturers for pennies a day.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:48 pmOutlaw284 says:
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Xisithrus
The point i was making is that the people have been against national health care since then. The democrats tried to start national health care then and only got medicare and mediciad. The people agreed to those but said no the the national health care
Nothing can be further from the truth than the lies you have puked out of your rotting anus throughout this entire thread.
And once again you lied. You have been told numeroous time to provide facts to your claim that most Americans are against national healthcare although history proves you wrong on every count. Why don’t you just man up and confess that you have NO FACTS to prove your claim. Oh, I forgot. You’re one of those morons who regurgitate the lies they want you to repeat, ignore the facts and say, like your reich wing hatemongers on AM hate radio would say, “I don;t need no facts, it’s true because I said it’s true. I’m telling you it’s true”, although the facts prove you wrong over and over again and you are dead wrong on this one.
Here are the facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#General
You have been challanged to prove to the contrary. You haven’t do so because evidence of your claims are non-existant and your insults only prove to those who challange you to prove your claim correct.
Admit it. You lied.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:54 pmWow, what a run of having the honor of so many -10 on so many Reichwing morons posts…
…they post their complete ignorance and stupidity, maybe we should leave them for all to see what scum they are.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
August 16th, 2009 at 11:58 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
From your link OutlawMoron:
Do you support or oppose giving people the option of being covered by a government health insurance plan that would compete with private plans?”
7/27 – 8/3/09
Support: 62%
Oppose: 32%
Unsure 6%
6/23-29/09
Support: 69%
Oppose: 26%
Unsure: 5%.
Busted again Troll.
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Intrepid
You expect someone to believe that. Get your facts straight.
Health care is 8th on the list in jan.
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=what+are+the+top+issues+that+americans+are+concerned+about&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnsnews.com%2FPublic%2FContent%2Farticle.aspx%3FRsrcID%3D42474
This one Health care is 4th.
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=what+are+the+top+issues+that+americans+are+concerned+about&page=1&qsrc=2106&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pollingreport.com%2Fprioriti.htm
You want more. Talk about a lie wow that is good
Translation:
OutlawTroll says:
Since I admittingly lied I’m gonna run from the issue and distract out of desperation with a change of subjhect that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Typical of a KKKON. When in the event of being caught lying…….CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
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Okay , I believe Outlaws link, which Intrepid posted the poll of showing that more people support a public option than oppose it.
Sadly our politicians are in the pockets of big insurers and feel a need to allow lobbyists to create a false opposition so they can pretend to be doing what the people support when the fact is they are not doing what the people support.
Its the whole reason for astroturf campaigns, to give the politicians wiggle room so they can point to the fraud they know it is and say, look, I base my decisions of Town Hall meetings.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:08 amOutlaw284 says:
You want more. Talk about a lie wow that is good.
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CNS???
In response to these shortcomings, MRC Chairman L. Brent Bozell III founded CNSNews.com in an effort to provide an alternative news source that would cover stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission.
Brent Bozell the THIRD…
Oh yeah… Brent Bozell the THIRD… oh yeah… that’s a name that immediately comes to mind when I go looking for honest, unbiased reporting.
you’re going to have to do better than that.
Oh… BTW… what F does this gibberish mean: “stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission.” ???
Shorter Brent: “Cover the storeis we want, the way we want, or we’ll get’cha!!!!”
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Intrepid
And to help you out with republicanshatefacts own link to the gallup poll.
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
“Would you advise your member of Congress to vote for or against a health care reform bill when they return to Washington in September, or do you not have an opinion?”
And more say no then yes
Again history proves you wrong.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 amAaronQ of Maine says:
hating on college grads, I mean, come on. what are people who want to be success do? not everyone is paris hilton. although I bet she is you’re idol RUC.
U misseth my snarketh.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 amXisithrus says:
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Okay , I believe Outlaws link, which Intrepid posted the poll of showing that more people support a public option than oppose it
I had to use his own link to disprove him.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:14 amWas she tired from participating in an anti-health care mob at a townhall meeting?
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Intrepid
how did i cahnge the subject. I am sorry that it doesn’t meet what you think. But that is all you can do is say that I am lieing. You wanted a link to say otherwise and you don’t like what I put up there because it shows different. Sorry for your bad luck
You did. Deal with it.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:15 amGot me one says:
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Sorry… but that’s the kind of behavior that gets yer Cheney tossed for good, stupid.
Wrong move.
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And then there was the time Wayne challenged Dr Dog to free spar w/ him in Austin and Tha Dawg claimed he went to Austin, but Katy busted him over a time zone mistake.
…Didn’t Z have him paged at the airport?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:19 ampu ssy284
Get it through your numb skull.
You have no FACTS.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:20 amYou and your racist friends are an embarrassment the birfer movement.
RUCerious says:
And then there was the time Wayne challenged Dr Dog to free spar w/ him in Austin and Tha Dawg claimed he went to Austin, but Katy busted him over a time zone mistake.
…Didn’t Z have him paged at the airport?
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I don’t recall that. I do remember Dr Dog including the time on the clock in the gym in his comments and having Katy point out he was CLEARLY off by a couple of time zones.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:23 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
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Why do I get the feeling I’m watching an endless variation of “Who’s On First’ w/ this one?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:25 amIntrepid says:
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Outlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
And to help you out with republicanshatefacts own link to the gallup poll.
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
“Would you advise your member of Congress to vote for or against a health care reform bill when they return to Washington in September, or do you not have an opinion?”
And more say no then yes
See that? You ran away from the FACT that most Americans support national healthcare where I pointed out to you in YOUR OWN LINK and cleverly changed the subject to a different area of the polling report link which has NOTHING TO DO with the area where I PROVED YOU WRONG!!! You also IGNORED my post where I again proved you wrong in 531. The point is troll is the majority support national healthcare and any amount of lies you spew will ever change the FACT. Facts don’t lie. YOU DO.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:25 amQuestion:
How can WE hold our head up high, claim to be number 1,play cop to the world when we are the only country the corporate health insurance industry can manipulate for profits? And continue the manipulation after being exposed of their hideous unethical deeds?
With the public option losing support, I am truly ashamed.
I suppose the rest of the world will allow US to believe we are number 1, while we are really the laughing stock. And I am sure other countries will allow US to play cop, USE OUR military, not theirs.
We look like fools!
August 17th, 2009 at 12:25 amWho gives a crap about the polls, or the previous sabotage of healthcare reform?
What we KNOW is that an enormous amount of people,
family and friends, do not have access to adequate healthcare in this country.
And that since the world wars I and II, we have claimed superiority
in all things democracy and government in the eyes of the world.
One of my senators, Tom Coburn, claims the U.S. has the best healthcare system in the world.
FALSE.
And until he and others accept and admit it and let go of their false elite superiority, they cannot begin to address a solution.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:26 amOutlaw284 says:
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johnny dol1ar
so you can prove that americans have always wanted national health care. I think not
Post 531 should you decide to actually read it instead of ignoring it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/16/dispatcher-ohio-pic/comment-page-12/#comment-5765744
August 17th, 2009 at 12:26 amI hope the President has the nards to veto the bill that comes to him without a public option plan.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:28 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Why do I get the feeling I’m watching an endless variation of “Who’s On First’ w/ this one
It is also in the polling report link you posted where I pointed it out to you moron. See that? you are continously proving you are conveniently and selectivly ignoring every element where you knowingly have been debunked and caught lying about so you desperately change the subject.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 amAugust 17th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Intrepid, not to mention the blatant plaegerizing of a quote that, when not cited, leads us to believe said Out(teehee)law has a brain.
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Outlaw284 says:
Intrepid
And I showed you two links that showed that NHC was 8th and 4th in concern for the american people. SO I guess that means that it isn’t at the top of the list.
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That’s NOT what he said. You’re lying… but hey… it’s just part of your schtick, huh?
Who’s on first? No… I said…
So what are you?
Die hard GOOPer loony?
Paid shill?
Or just a tweeker who gets a throbbing sensation in his trousers from giving strangers a hard time?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:36 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
In May, Rasmussen Reports found that just 31% of voters believe young and healthy adults who choose not to buy health insurance should be forced to do so. But a follow-up question asked: “What if those who chose not to buy health insurance end up needing emergency room care?” Only 16% said treatment should be denied; 74% said they should be treated even if they did not have insurance.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:41 amTRoS, it could be very well that many of those who don’t want the health reform bill passed in that poll could be Progressives who don’t want any bill other than H.R. 676…It doesn’t seem like they asked any follow-up questions in the Gallup poll that would make that more clear…Aug. 6-9, 2009
Who knows, many of those who disapprove of Obama’s handling of health care reform might be Progressives who see Obama as conceding too much or they might be those who would disapprove no matter what Obama does.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:41 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
You can’t deal with the fact that those links show that what you said is wrong
Going by your logic, your link that you showed is wrong despite within your own link it thoroughly debunks your bullshit claim that most americans oppose national healthcare which I pointed out. But go on…. Ignore facts…..It’s the only thing KKKons are good at…..
You simply can’t deal with the fact you been caught lying and the evidence provided debunks each and every one of your lies and you can’t deal with facts. You hate facts because they have a liberal bias and that’s why you hate liberals…….,Obama because he’s black.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:42 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
And outlawed troll. You did not read 531. Man up.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:43 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
and guess what weather they had insurance or not they would be treated.
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WTF? What does this even mean?
“What weather”?
What country are you from?
Albania?
Nigeria?
Alabama?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:47 amOutlaw284 says:
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Xisithrus
and guess what weather they had insurance or not they would be treated
It’s wether, not “weather”. So were you castrated like a sheep? By the reich wing AM hate radio screechmonkeys who tell you what to think because you don’t have the braincells to think for yourself? think for yourself
August 17th, 2009 at 12:47 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
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Outlaw284 says:
and guess what weather they had insurance or not they would be treated.
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WTF? What does this even mean?
“What weather”?
What country are you from?
Albania?
Nigeria?
Alabama?
Dumbphuckistan.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:48 amOutlaw284 says:
You libs are funny. I put to links that prove that health care isn’t the number one issue on peoples minds and you say it is a lie. wow talk about denial.
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And talk about STUPID…
You’re basically an incoherent, jabbering loon who can’t follow a conversation.
All you’ve done is embarrass yourself here today.
DEFINITELY a Red State Values Voter™…
August 17th, 2009 at 12:49 amOutlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
What is so hard to figure out that in Jan. Health Care was the 8th thing that people worried about and then the other link showed that Health Care was the 4th thing that they worried about. Real hard to think that one through. As to the poll it isn’t any harder to figure that out. If people are for it then they wouldn’t be telling congress to vote no on it
What part of most people support national healthcare don’t you understand?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:50 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Intrepid says:
What part of most people support national healthcare don’t you understand?
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He’s either doing it deliberately or is simply incapable of following the dialogue, Intrepid.
I suspect it’s deliberate.
Either a hired goon or just a tweaker looking for that special tingling sensation in his trousers that comes from annoying people…
August 17th, 2009 at 12:52 amOutlaw284 says:
Intrepid
And I showed you two links that showed that NHC was 8th and 4th in concern for the american people. SO I guess that means that it isn’t at the top of the list.
And what does THIS have to do with healthcare reform in the USA?
All you are doing is proving beyond reasonable doubt you are running away from the facts and that is proven by changing the subject..
The Republic of Stupidity says:
That’s NOT what he said. You’re lying… but hey… it’s just part of your schtick, huh?
Exactly.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:55 amGot me one says:
As for me being a Racist, well you think what you will but any one who knows me would put a number 12 boot in your ass for saying that,
August 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I would sincerely love to see them try, Gitrdone.
I guess you need friends to handle the work you can’t, huh?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:55 amThis is racist. There’s nothing funny about it.
The public needs to be able to trust that when they call for the police, all callers will be afforded proper handling and consideration.
This casts doubts on whether this dispatcher or this department is capable in that regard.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:56 amHe’s either doing it deliberately or is simply incapable of following the dialogue, Intrepid.
I suspect it’s deliberate.
Either a hired goon or just a tweaker looking for that special tingling sensation in his trousers that comes from annoying people.
He’s obviously lying. Go figure. Changing the subject only proves he has been lying and has been caught doing so he uses the tired old tactic of distraction by what else?
August 17th, 2009 at 12:59 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw, you read and misinterpreted what was in the bill, how can you possibly make this statement? You talked about death squads, which isnt true.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:01 amGot me one says:
As for me being a Racist, well you think what you will but any one who knows me would put a number 12 boot in your ass for saying that
August 17th, 2009 at 1:01 amSTFU
People are turning against the BS, propagated by shills, that ISNT in the bill. Thats a major difference.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:03 amWhat is it with people that feel a need to basically lie to get their way?
Lying doesnt promote democracy it undermines it.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:04 amOutlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
What you can’t seem to get through your head is that both those links show that your claim about Heath care isn’t what people are worried about the most.
Why can’t you seem to get through your head that you got owned on the fact that most Americans support national healthcare and you were caught lying about it?
August 17th, 2009 at 1:04 amDark rivers flow
August 17th, 2009 at 1:06 amCesspools roil
Outlaw regurgitates
Exactly the type of humor that will have moderates running from the republican party like crazy.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:08 amAnd OutlawLiar, why can’t you seem to get through your head that intelligence is not your strong suit?
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RUCerious says:
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Dark rivers flow
Cesspools roil
Outlaw regurgitates
OutlawTrollTurd regurgitates the lies RumpRider Limpdick tell him to say.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:12 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
And really, in the end, all these polls, protestors at town halls, dont matter because as with the TARP bailout of Fraud Street, the politicians will do what a very small percentage of want, those coporations they sold their office out to.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:14 amOutlaw284 says:
Nothing.
Pretty much.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:14 amOutlaw284 says:
Outlaw flagged for always being off topic.
This thread is about the right’s inept spin machine and the lies it uses in it’s phony grassroots movement.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:15 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
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Xisithrus
Really then why is it that the more people find out what is in the Bill the more people are against it.
That has been showing up in the polls all over the place. Not to mention the fact that Obama’s poll numbers have been droppoing as well. And they drop everytime he talks about HC.
Your posts are being voted into oblivion and that says pretty much.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:17 amReally then why is it that the more people find out what is in the Bill the more people are against it.
That has been showing up in the polls all over the place.
What is showing up in the polls is not what is actually in the bill. You yourself talked about death squads in the bill and could not show me where you found it in the bills text.
Now, you tell me you got a waiver to get into the military, which does have real government healthcare, not insurance. Are you going to refuse to go to the military hospitals?
August 17th, 2009 at 1:17 amOutlaw, our self-confessed ex con has been spamming this thread for nearly 10 straight hours.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:18 amThis leads to to wonder if he didn’t engage the spam-bot in conversation because his mind is fried on meth?
Correction:
August 17th, 2009 at 1:19 amSpamming threads for ten hours…..plural
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Outlaw284 says:
From your own link moron:
7/27 – 8/3/09
Support: 62%
Oppose: 32%
Unsure 6%
6/23-29/09
Support: 69%
Oppose: 26%
Unsure: 5%
My point stands.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:21 amAnd the fact is the end of life provision was not removed because people feared it, even though many who oppose it now were actually for it in the past, but because people were misinterpreting it, just as you did when we discussed the ‘death squads’ or ‘death panel’ and then you also misinterpreted the panel compromised of private health care experts.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:21 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Outlaw284 says:
Outlaw got free health care when he was in prison.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:23 amReggie says:
Outlaw284 says:
Outlaw flagged for always being off topic.
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I think you’re on to something.
Time to flag away.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:23 amBut what are they doing. The same thing they did with Clinton. They are saying NO.
Thats not true, the Clintons dropped it because of industry backlash, not because people didnt support it. In fact you will notice that Hillary got more of the HMO, big insurer campaign bucks than others.
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And since you have been telling lies about the bill claiming that there will be a death panel outlaw, again you lied.
http://aarp.convio.net/site/PageNavigator/Myths_vs_Facts
http://www.newsweek.com/id/211981/page/2
And:
http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/
You’re busted again.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:26 amOutlaw284 says:
Flagged again for being off topic
August 17th, 2009 at 1:26 amOutlaw284 says:
Just like you misinterpreted the fact that Insurance companies can’t write new plans.
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WTF???? You’re incoherent… which explains why you’re a GOOPer shill.
Give it a rest… for your own good… before you permanently DAMAGE something.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 amNo, I said I wasnt a lawyer and that I wasnt sure what the provision you posted meant as you didnt post it in its entirety and as I recall you also misinterpreted that to mean that people could not go back to private insurance after getting government insurance.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 amIn all honesty, just flag the fool outta here.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 amXisithrus
Just like you misinterpreted the fact that Insurance companies can’t write new plans.
But hey, at least you admit you misinterpolated the death provision AFTER going around saying it meant something totally different.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:28 amI just flagged all of outlaw’s posts.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:28 amXisithrus says:
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But what are they doing. The same thing they did with Clinton. They are saying NO.
Thats not true, the Clintons dropped it because of industry backlash, not because people didnt support it. In fact you will notice that Hillary got more of the HMO, big insurer campaign bucks than others.
Well put. You pointed this out better than I can.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:30 amThe Republic of Stupidity says:
In all honesty, just flag the fool outta here.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Seriously, he’s reduced to “I know you are, but what am I?”
Flag it.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:30 amZooey says:
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The Republic of Stupidity says:
In all honesty, just flag the fool outta here.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Seriously, he’s reduced to “I know you are, but what am I?”
Flag it
Which only proves one thing. Outlaws spills out regurgitative bullshit and has nothing to defend his bullshit. He gets offended when he gets caught in his lies.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 amSo you lied about getting a waiver and joining the military?
BTW, you may pay your premium but you dont pay your actual medical bills. That is, when you pay 10k in premiums and your medical bills are 500k other peoples premiums pay your bills… think about that. You taking other peoples hard earned money for your healthcare.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:33 amIntrepid says:
He gets offended when he gets caught in his lies.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Most liars do. :)
August 17th, 2009 at 1:34 amReggie says:
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Outlaw284 says:
Outlaw got free health care when he was in prison
He doesn’t want anyone else to have what he had. SO to him it’s ok to have universal free healthcare so as long as it favors him and to hell with everyone else. So sad.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:37 amBig insurers are, I say, noting more than middlemen speculators who drive up your insurance costs, and they have, greatly, to pay for corporate jets, multimillion dollar salarie and of course to pay the shareholders their dividends and not one of these people can administer drugs or write you a prescription or even practice medicine for that matter.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:37 amthere are a couple of niners in there, and therefore couldn’t be a racist swipe.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:39 amAND your private insurance premiums are set to rise again to pay for the losses incurred by hiring all these unscrupulous lobbyists to fill peoples heads with lies about ‘death panels’ and other crap so you can pay even higher premiums.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot people
August 17th, 2009 at 1:39 amI think our pet troll ran away.
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I changed the topic.
Fixed.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:44 amAdministration Official: “Sebelius Misspoke.”
Isn’t this the second time this woman misspoke concerning public option is off the table?
Are these people for a public option or NOT? Some bolg sites, as myself, are going crazy.
Would Obama dare drop the ball on this too….in trying to be bipartisan? F that… we have a country to take care of.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:45 amHydraulic Valve says:
there are a couple of niners in there, and therefore couldn’t be a racist swipe.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Could you be a little clearer, please?
August 17th, 2009 at 1:46 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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I didn’t use the health care when I was in.
Suuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee………. *wink* *wink*.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:49 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Thanks, had enough.
That “boo boo” made for a stressful day — and more emails to the President.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:49 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Well said, Xisithrus @ 626.
As a small business owner, it’s easy to see the the comfortable,
not so little niche, that the private insurers
are so desperate to keep in their control.
When they were performing their service for a reasonable amount
in a fair and compassionate manner, it was functional.
But, now, there’s just too many pigs at the trough.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:53 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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Intrepid
Nice try keep lieing. That is all you can do.
Facts don’t lie. Outlaw284 does. That’s all he can do. Ignore the facts when they go against him and make shit up then accuse others of lying despiite them entertainig facts before Outlaw’s very eyes. Typical.
The evidence is throughout this thread and beyond for all to see.
There should be a Wikipedia article dedicated to you.
And it’s “lying”. Not “lieing”. Vocabulary challanged much?
August 17th, 2009 at 1:58 amF. Joseph Mattia. (I’m late to the thread)
I read most of your comments. I disagree with what you’re saying, but your position was interesting.
I just don’t see how this example promotes the kind of teachable moments they had on ‘All in the Family’.
And I support free speech, but recognize that it needs some limitations (Fire/Theatre).
I agree with the point that someone made, that tolerance of this example, might enable a more general tolerance of racism.
The issue of racism is difficult because what is considered racist is often subjective or a matter of degree.
But, this example is clearly racist to me, without the redemptive qualities you suggest.
August 17th, 2009 at 1:58 amLook, instead of going thru all these contortionist exercises of yours, why not just say “I have made up my mind and I dont need, or care about, any pesky facts”
It would save you alot of time and trouble to just say “I prefer subjective truth”
August 17th, 2009 at 1:58 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So if a few doctors get away with botching the treatment of their patients, insurance premiums will decline to $100 a month.
I’m in!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:02 amTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Liberals were the unpopular kids that got picked on in high school. They take out their rage and failure at life on people that succeed.
That’s strange, the school I went to the conservatives were the very unpopular kids who got picked on all the time. The conservatives FAIL at everything and than blame their FAILURES on everyone else.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:03 amZooey,
I am not sure what to think.
another blogger mentioned this:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/administration-shifts-on-public-health-option-2009-08-16.html
So tired of this crap.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:04 amBecause people, many like you, are working to raise your premiums by allowing giant insurers to create legislation that limits competition. Capitalism is supposed to be about competition not about using government to keep profits high. Its competition that will drive down these costs…Cartels work to keep the high by dividing areas of operation and agreeing on prices. Its what oil companies and banks do.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:04 amCartels work to keep the *profits high by dividing areas of operation and agreeing on prices. Its what oil companies and banks do.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:05 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
had enough,
Gibbs said today that Obama still backs the public option.
I know a bunch of the Zoo Critters emailed Obama today, and I’m sure many others did too. We have to keep up the pressure.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:06 amOutlaw 284 says:
Because it takes away a fundamental free market right?
WRONG!!
Again nothing can be further from the truth. Busted again.
http://factcheck.org/2009/08/private-insurance-not-outlawed/
0 for 3. You’re on a roll…..TROLL.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:07 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It’s not suprising that one that has been served so inadequately by public schools would be resistant to a public option, as well.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:09 amHow long has the Outlaw troll been here today? 12 hours?
It will be interesting to see how long he’ll stay here — essentially saying nothing for post after post…
August 17th, 2009 at 2:10 amBut hey, if people like outlaw want to create insurance cartels to keep raising their premiums for profit, go right ahead, soon you wont be able to afford health insurance and you wont have anyone to blame, except those people who ran around wailing about ‘death panels’ which is what private insurance does thru recission anyway and which now will likely increase so as to protect profits and it will be even easier than ever with less and less competition.
And like AIG, these isurance companies will become too big to fail and when they do, the very same politicians that worked to obstruct competition will be standing by with taxpayer cash to bail them out
August 17th, 2009 at 2:11 amYou can’t face the fact that the people telling congress that they don’t want them to vote for this bill means that they don’t want NHC. NHC isn’t the number one issue they are concerned about
Again, the MAJORITY DO want NHC numbskull. I debunked you with both MY link as well as in YOUR OWN LINK! WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND DUMBPHUCK?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:12 amSuppose this is racism?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8L0RE2Axs&feature=player_embedded
August 17th, 2009 at 2:12 amWhen the lobbyists basically control the government its not the government that caused prices to go up its the people behind the lobbyists that WANTED the prices to go up.
Have any big insurance lobbyists you know of gone to the government and spent millions to lower HC costs?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:13 amIntrepid
You really are that stupid aren’t you. Here I will help you out. I will show you what the Bill says in total and you can look it up yourself. (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
Now I know you aren’t that smart but what does it say there?
does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
In case you don’t understand that means that they CAN NOT write new plans. Now any other liberal talking head lies you want to pull out.
Do yourself a favor and get the Bill and read it yourself.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:13 amTort reform has already been proven to work and yet no one wants to do it.
Is this the part where it’s on me to prove you wrong and forget at once that you didn’t post a link to your claim?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:14 amI support tart reform, or did I mean tortoise reform?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:16 amShow me any of the FIRE sector folks, Outlaw, that have lobbied for lower prices, or for less pork barrel spending, or for less spending on military weaponry to save the taxpayer money. What lobbyist has gone to the government and wanted less subsidies for private insurance?
What lobbyist has worked for deregualtion so they could reduce profits and lower costs to the consumer?
And this tort reform, BS, if they do lower costs to the insurance companies, they wont pass it on to the consumer, like any other overhead they can reduce it will be to increase the bottom line profits.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:17 amThat doesnt mean an insurance company cant write new plans…..sheesh
August 17th, 2009 at 2:18 amWait, what happened to the so-called benefits of tort reform when it was passed in 2005?
I’m still waiting…
August 17th, 2009 at 2:19 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Zooey says:
had enough,
Gibbs said today that Obama still backs the public option.
I know a bunch of the Zoo Critters emailed Obama today, and I’m sure many others did too. We have to keep up the pressure.
I was one of those Zoo Critter’s that emailed Obama today to keep the public option on the table.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:22 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It has already been proven to work.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Where’s the proof– WHO CARES! Folks, don’t whack a troll, believe everything it says!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:24 amand what makes up a frivolous lawsuit? Why aren’t supporters of tort reform giving examples and such?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:24 amNo, no, it means death panels so people who are six foot three and a hundred thirty six pounds, non-standard people will be put to death — its eugenics that targets tall thin white people!!!!
Ahhhh the sky is falling! Yellowcake! Aluminum tubes! Flying anthrax camels!! Drones from Iraq!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:25 amThats what I means cause I said its what it means and I know what it means cause I read it and its a subjective fact!!! They want to keep tall thin white people from getting new insurance plans!!!
/Snark
August 17th, 2009 at 2:26 ambzb says:
I was one of those Zoo Critter’s that emailed Obama today to keep the public option on the table.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:22 am
Thank you!!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:27 amThis is hilarious coming from a troll who is a self confessed ex con who earlier today was trying to engage a spam-bot in conversation.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:30 amYou were dumb enough to be arrested, convicted and sentenced to prison.
Outlaw284 says:
republicanshatefacts
You truly are that dumb.
Weren’t you whining earlier about having to take insults? I guess you’re perfectly exempt, calling posters “dumb” and claiming a poster gets a** from their teachers.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:30 amOkay, contortionist, how many of those cases were lost and won and how much money did those losses incur and how much did the wins save the malpractice insurance companies?
And really, think about this, arent the doctors, like you, paying a premium each month so those losses dont come out of their pocket?
So, we see that, wrongly, the malpractice folks are gambling they can make a profit even though they know they will lose a certain amount of malpractice cases?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:33 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
FACT: The payout in medical malpractice cases has decreased over the last four years.
A 2005 Public Citizen study revealed that medical malpractice payments to victims fell nearly 14 percent between 2001 and 2004. In 2001, juries voted against injured victims in three of four medical malpractice trials, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
August 17th, 2009 at 2:35 amIntrepid
You really are that stupid aren’t you. Here I will help you out. I will show you what the Bill says in total and you can look it up yourself. (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
Now I know you aren’t that smart but what does it say there?
does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
In case you don’t understand that means that they CAN NOT write new plans. Now any other liberal talking head lies you want to pull out.
Do yourself a favor and get the Bill and read it yourself
Been there. done that. Bought the T shirt.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:35 amThey dont set prices any more than private insurance sets prices. I know this is hard for you to comprehend but insurance companies make deals with hospitals and many doctors in advance for what they will pay for procedures.
And MANY times the cost of the procedure is not what you will see on your insurance claim but is ACTUALLY LOWER than what you saw on the medical bill.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:36 amFACT: Medical malpractice claims have a negligible effect on US health costs.
According to the Congressional Budget Office in January 2004, medical malpractice costs constituted only two percent of the total cost of healthcare in the United States. Other figures from Public Citizen show that malpractice costs represent only 0.62 percent of the nation’’s expenditures for health care.
In 2003, the top HMOs in the United States reported doubling their profits, according to the Jacksonville Business Journal.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:37 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
So, in effect, the insurance folks inflate the cost you see on your bill so you THINK your insurance company is paying more thaan it REALLY is.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:39 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
republicanshatefacts says:
BINGO! What the harvard study and similar ones found is that the issue was TORT REFORM but PROFIT PRESSURES from insurance companies to GOUGE DOCTORS! That’s right! Doctors and patients alike are being SCREWED by INSURANCE COMPANIES. And what’s REALLY PATHETIC is when a LITTLE LOSER WEASEL LIKE jay the outloon is willing to THROW THE ENTIRE PUBLIC under the BUS just so a few d**chebags can MAKE MORE BILLIONS IN PROFIT! In the PAST DECADE the INSURANCE INDUSTRY PROFITS grew from 2 billion to 12! That’s where the HEALTH CARE PREMIUM INCREASES CAME FROM!
you forgot Harvard has a liberal bias…/snark
August 17th, 2009 at 2:40 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 2:42 amI put the post up about texas and what their tort reform ended up saving the people of that state.
And the only thing that you could come up with was that texas has the highest number of people uninsured.
Ok fine make that clam and then tell me how many of those uninsured are illegal, or people that either don’t get insurance because of their age or because they just chose not to.
republicanshatefacts says:
IGNORE FACTS because they have a LIBERAL BIAS! Like the FACT that AFGHANISTAN is *NOT* in IRAQ as YOU CLAIMED! ROTFL!
Where was I when he said this?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:42 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Oh, that, that means DEATH PANEL and the government wants to kill your dependent grandmother AND tall thin white non-standard people who are six foot three and weigh 135 pounds!!!!!
The caldera under yellowstone is going to kill us all if the swine flu doesnt and the government is putting DEATH PANEL in the vaccine!!!!!
/snark..of course
August 17th, 2009 at 2:43 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
republicanshatefacts
August 17th, 2009 at 2:46 amjust keep spewing because that is all you are doing.
republicanshatefacts says:
I am starting to get the feeling that Outlaw may be one of Jay’s sock-puppets. They both reek of from the same stench of failure.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:47 amOutlaw284 says:
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republicanshatefacts
You really are that dumb
Learn to read then try and talk
You are useless.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:47 amGet a clue before you come to a blue blog to play with the big boys.
Felon has so much truth in him he can’t be bothered to post a link. But he knows how to read a document on all four corners, right?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:47 amAnd I posted, with links, about how Texas has a health insurance pool that gets a federal grant [taxpayer money] to subsidize insurance in TEXAS to keep premiums down and those premiums, even with tort reform and reduction of physicians malpractice rate, as of August 1, 2009 health insurance premium rates STILL went up 6.3% and without that federal grant money the health insurance premiums would have risen 10.7& THIS YEAR.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:48 amXisithrus, what about the animal-hybrids? /snark
August 17th, 2009 at 2:48 amanyone who believes that tort reform will lower premiums because corporations will be so grateful that they don’t have to worry, well there’s beachfront property out in Nebraska waiting just for you!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:49 amZooey says:
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bzb says:
I was one of those Zoo Critter’s that emailed Obama today to keep the public option on the table.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:22 am
Thank you!!
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The Senate will not include the public option. Seems the “angry mob” is winning. :-)
Let’s look on the bright side of things, without a single payer or a public plan that only leaves “Health Care Insurance Reform”. Notice they are not calling it “Health Care Reform” anymore?
Now, in order to restrict insurance companies to no longer deny claims based on pre-existing claims or kick people off coverage that become sick later … guess what is going to happen?
Those of you “adults” that are healthy and young, and that are leeching off your parents, but too old to get put on their insurance coverage, are now going to be forced to pay up and get insured!!
Figure within 6 months you all will be out there with the “racists” and the “angry mob” carrying signs that say “Leave us alone”.
LFMAO
August 17th, 2009 at 2:51 amOutlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
That is the problem I didn’t say it and he wont show the post because it isn’t there
And what was it you allegedly “didn’t say”?
*lightly tapping the ctrl and f keys*
August 17th, 2009 at 2:52 amIt didnt save the people of the state money, it saved the malpractice insurers money which, hopefully, they passed onto the doctors and lowered their malpractice premiums. BTW its not required, by law, that doctors have malpractice insurance and many dont.
AND read here: THIS LINK >>> http://www.txhealthpool.org/rates.html <<READ LINK
August 17th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Xisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 2:56 amAnd you think that is where they were getting the death squad from. Boy are you so far off it isn’t even funny.
Not to mention what you are posting there is that they can not change their plan. So now what you still haven’t done anything about the fact that it says that Insurance Companies can not write new plans after teh bill is signed.
Now you have two sections one that says that they can’t write new plans and the other that says they can’t change a plan. That pretty much screws the private sector.
The insurance companies want reform to help folks like Outlaw, for the same reason they take 1/3 of their massive profits and mail a courtesy check to every policy holder who bears the weight on their shoulders to pay the premiums, right?
The checks are in the mail, right?
August 17th, 2009 at 2:58 amTort reform did NOT save the state any money on health insurance as the FEDERAL GRANT was used, in total, this year, to reduce premium increases from 10.7% to 6.3% beginning AUG 1 2009, [[[IE the beginning of this month health insurance premiums went up]]]
August 17th, 2009 at 2:59 amPost a f ucking link or clear out your RNC desk, troll. And take your exceptionally shitty reading comp. with you.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:00 amIt doesnt say that [above] in the legislations text
BTW I was being sarcastic about the death panels its why I put /snark at the bottom of the post [IE sarcasm]
August 17th, 2009 at 3:01 ammgparrish says:
August 17th, 2009 at 2:51 am
There you go again, with your idiotic assumptions.
You might be surprised that the average age of TP commenters is somewhere around 40-45.
I have Student Health through the university, and I doubt my Dad can get me on his Medicare. And he doesn’t pay for my school either.
People like you are so stupid, you think liberals have never worked and that you’re the only ones who ever work hard.
Just because you think everything is just fine as long as you’ve got yours, doesn’t mean everyone thinks that way.
Crawl back under your rock, slime ball.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:02 amENROLLMENT IS NOT AN INSURANCE PLAN.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:02 amXisithrus
Facts to Consider: Benefits to Consumers
It is estimated that reforms enacted in 1995 resulted in savings of $2.542 billion that directly benefits consumers.
$1.796 billion in annual cost savings from reduced inflation ($216 per household)
$7.056 billion in annual total personal growth income ($862 per household)
The net result was a savings of $1,078 per year to the typical Texas household.
The Perryman Group. The Impact of Judicial Reforms on Economic Activity in Texas Overall Economic Impact on State’s Economy. (August 2000)
So I guess it did save people money as well as doctors.
MISSISSIPPI: Tort Reform Already Achieving Desired Results
In a 2004 legislative special session called by Governor Haley Barbour, the Mississippi Legislature passed H.B. 13, which included reforms relating to: product liability; joint and several liability; jury service; medical liability; and noneconomic damages. Improvements in the state’s economy and healthcare system already are being demonstrated since the law took effect on Sept. 1, 2004
August 17th, 2009 at 3:03 amMissouri, New Jersey, and West Virginia have all had some sore of tort reform and it is saving people and doctors money.
McWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:06 amYou want to see the link fine. it is the same one that I link before.
http://www.atra.org/wrap/files.cgi/7964_howworks.html
Xisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:08 amAnd just what do you think they call writting a plan. You are enrolled in it.
WOW now wonder you don’t understand this.
Outlaw284 says:
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republicanshatefacts
just keep spewing because that is all you are doing
OutlawKKKON
Keep projecting because it’s entertaining watching a clown school imbecile in your own element make a complete embarassment out of yourself spewing the stupid, post after post while each post trumps the previous ones.
Look. Stop now. Please stop now. You’re embarassing enough.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:08 amIts almost like debating with BartleBee…
August 17th, 2009 at 3:08 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:10 amHere let me help you out.
Meaning of enroll (verb) forms: enrolled; enrolled; enrolling to register; to sign up; to join up
The troll apparently thinks that if it keeps repeating the same tripe over and over, then somehow it will become true.
**eyes rolling**
August 17th, 2009 at 3:11 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:11 amNotice the phrase “to join”
Tort reform probably would not make a huge difference in the overall cost of health care.
However, let’s just throw some common sense into the “equation”.
Doctors pay for malpractice insurance? Yes or no?
Do you suppose that those costs are really passed back to the insurance companies and then back to the consumer? Yes or No?
Do you suppose that many doctors, fearing lawsuits, order more tests than are necessary just to CYA? Yes or no?
Who do trial lawyers support Dems or Reps?
The argument that tort reform will not lower medical costs is **lame**, the real question is will that alone be enough to make a difference, and it won’t. But all cost savings are incremental and must be considered.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:11 amoutlaw284 @#528 11:42 p.m. – #740 3:03p.m.
Off topic.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:11 amThe guy who runs the Perryman Group is one of those hardcore “free market” idiots, who believes any regulation whatsoever is bad.
That’s what got us where we are now.
Dismissed.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:13 ammgparrish
August 17th, 2009 at 3:14 amI am not saying that tort reform alone will do it. But it is a start and a better one then is being afford right now.
Your link is not a think tank or investigative report, it’s a lobby — American Tort Reform Association.
I like this one–
Mississippi, the new economic powerhouse and a great place to raise a family. And it all happened through tort reform.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:15 amYet here in 2009, in Texas, even after tort reform back in 1995, that saved Texans an average of 1078 per household [usually 4 people to a avg household so maybe 250 bucks per individual]
Yet, besides the tort reform insurance premiums have gone up, here in Texas, 6.7% in ONE year, this year 2009, in August, even with tort reform AND even with federal grants [taxpayer money] to keep premiums down.
So, its not tort reform thats keeping premiums down BECAUSE THEY HAVE RISEN EVEN WIRH FEDERAL GRANTS [govt subsidies]
August 17th, 2009 at 3:16 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 amIs that all you can say. Please. why don’t you prove that what is in that link is wrong.
What part of Texas insurance premiums going up this year 6.7%, even with tort reform and federal grants, are you not understanding, Outlaw?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 amTort reform will have little or no effect on health care costs in this country.
It’s a non-issue.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 amAnd this police dispatcher should STILL resign!! Right Outlaw?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 amAnd this police dispatcher should STILL resign!! Right Outlaw?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 amOutlawWithoutaClue says: That pretty much screws the private sector.
Nobody wants to hear about your “private sector”. The one that you jack off to Sarah Palin’s teets to everytime you see her flant her stupidity on Fake Noise. Enough now!
August 17th, 2009 at 3:18 amZooey,
Does “those of you” single you out?
Amyway, gonna be enjoying watching liberals and progressives carrying signs protesting the forced insurance coverage purchase for sure. Pony up folks it’s coming, and it’s not going to br “free” like so many lefties had hoped for.
Seems some are going to be **forced** to pay their own now! I’m loving it.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:19 am:-)
Outlaw284 says:
Zooey
Is that all you can say. Please. why don’t you prove that what is in that link is wrong.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 am
I don’t feel the need. I consider the source. And the source is a right wing ideologue.
You prove what the link says is right.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:19 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:19 amSo that means that everything in it is wrong. Is that what you are saying?
Tort reform is saving malpractice insurers money while people who get body parts removed thru carelessness, are faced with going thru life without compensation AND a pre-existing condition that insurers will probably use as rational to deny that person insurance thru recission.
Talk about adding insult to injury….
August 17th, 2009 at 3:21 amOutlaw284 says:
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mgparrish
I am not saying that tort reform alone will do it. But it is a start and a better one then is being afford right now.
******
I agree, but “the left” are supported by trial lawyers. Liberals can’t really defend an argument with common sense.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:22 amRepublicans love to hate.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:22 amOutlaw284 says:
mgparrish
I am not saying that tort reform alone will do it. But it is a start and a better one then is being afford right now.
It’s a non-starter. These companies are raking in billions in profits and you think knocking out a few lawsuits will pass on any savings.
FACT: Most lawsuits are not even filed against doctors or companies.
Most lawsuits involve complaints by one private citizen against another. Only 39 percent of tort lawsuits involve an individual filing a claim against a business (The Department of Justice). A lawsuit cannot destroy a business unless that business generates a profit based on fraudulent or unsafe practices (Public Citizen).
August 17th, 2009 at 3:22 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 3:23 amsorry that you don’t like what it says. but them your responce would be what i expect from you.
mgparrish says:
Zooey,
Does “those of you” single you out?
Amyway, gonna be enjoying watching liberals and progressives carrying signs protesting the forced insurance coverage purchase for sure. Pony up folks it’s coming, and it’s not going to br “free” like so many lefties had hoped for.
Seems some are going to be **forced** to pay their own now! I’m loving it.
:-)
August 17th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Since you addressed your comment to me — by name — I responded to you, dipshit.
Still holding onto your moronic ideas about liberals, I see. It’s ok, the blue states will continue to pay enough taxes to keep the red states above water.
Well, we’re having a fun time watching your friends scream about “death panels” and pulling the plug on granny — fact free, as usual.
Hilarious!
August 17th, 2009 at 3:24 amMcWars says:
“Most lawsuits involve complaints by one private citizen against another. Only 39 percent of tort lawsuits involve an individual filing a claim against a business (The Department of Justice). A lawsuit cannot destroy a business unless that business generates a profit based on fraudulent or unsafe practices (Public Citizen).”
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WTF? The DOJ does not get involved in these kinds of private cases?
Again, **common sense** should prevail here. Law suits DO ADD to the cost of health care. Suppose that lawsuits lower costs?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:26 amYeh, the private sector really got screwed by gambling in derivatives then requiring a bailout for 750+++ billion.
Privatize the profit and indebt the public
August 17th, 2009 at 3:26 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:27 amSo how many multimillion dollar law suits have been won for malpratice.
Better yet if a doctor doesn’t have to worry as much about getting sued then what are the chances that he will do all the so called unnessary tests. So you want to tell me that that in its self wouldn’t bring costs down.
Lets see Doctor doesn’t have to pay as much for insurance for him or his employees means he doesn’t have to charge as much for visit. There is another basic economic problem to figure out.
Outlaw284 says:
Zooey
sorry that you don’t like what it says. but them your responce would be what i expect from you.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:23 am
You’re meeting every expectation I have for you.
You know, you don’t get a prize for being a tenacious ankle-biting meth-addled imbecile…
August 17th, 2009 at 3:28 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:28 amDo yourself a favor and just admit that you don’t understand the bill because you have been proving that for a while.
Zooey
August 17th, 2009 at 3:30 amand you don’t get a prize for being a brain dead liberal kool-aide drink sheep.
I am sure that you are blonde
Outlaw284 says:
McWars
So that means that everything in it is wrong. Is that what you are saying?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Lets agree here, this is a lobby group. Total costs related to torts are 0.62 of the nation’s healthcare expenditures. In an era where you’re trying to increase the quality of care why would dare give incentive to botched patient care? If I were an aspiring doctor, I wouldn’t cry to a lobby group, I’d take the heavy liability (i.e., patients’ rights) as notice to study as hard as I could and get rigorous clinical training and stay current on safety laws and regulations. The patient deserves no less.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:30 amZooey says:
“Well, we’re having a fun time watching your friends scream about “death panels” and pulling the plug on granny — fact free, as usual.”
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And you accuse me of making assumptions.
I find the “death panels” looney.
But I find socialism to be evil, it only helps the elites and the poor “victims”, who are actually peoples who are too lame to help themselves.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:31 amOutlaw284 says:
Zooey
and you don’t get a prize for being a brain dead liberal kool-aide drink sheep.
I am sure that you are blonde
Please don’t go Sodini on us, ok?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:32 amThis one is extremely thick.
Look, the federal reserve is a private cartel, money is loaned into existence. The private exclusionary socialist cartel bankers club has been screwing you since 1913 by loaning money into existence, for FREE, with interest. If they werent screwing you over, mking you borrow your own money, you wouldnt have all these taxes and deficits. Its the same imperial type of banking system that the British empire had and which we fought for independence from. Its why the constitution was FOR, BY and OF the PEOPLE not for, by and of the private financial sector so as to make debt peons of the people.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:32 amI’m sure we can buy “Common Sense” at Wal-Mart like all the teagaggers do.
Ha!
August 17th, 2009 at 3:33 amLook at my typo!
But I find the Oligarchy to be evil, it only helps the Oligarchy, but I support them anyway.
Filled Your Taco.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:35 ammgparrish says:
I agree, but “the left” are supported by trial lawyers.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:22 am
Really? I worked in the legal field for many years, and all of the lawyers I worked for and knew, except three, were die-hard Republicans.
You’re ridiculous.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:35 amOutlaw284 says:
I am sure that you are blonde
August 17th, 2009 at 3:30 am
You’d be wrong. AGAIN.
Only f ucktard meth-heads like you think hair color has an effect on intellect.
What’s your excuse?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:37 ammgparrish says:
But I find socialism to be evil, it only helps the elites and the poor “victims”, who are actually peoples who are too lame to help themselves.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:31 am
So you’ll be refusing your Social Security checks and Medicare when you retire. Well done.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:38 amI agree, but “the left” are supported by trial lawyers.
I have never sued anyone, but those I know who did sue others were all republicans, besides that I am no a leftist or rightist and still find this statement ubelievably inane without any basis in fact.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:38 amOutlaw284 says:
McWars
So how many multimillion dollar law suits have been won for malpratice.
Better yet if a doctor doesn’t have to worry as much about getting sued then what are the chances that he will do all the so called unnessary tests. So you want to tell me that that in its self wouldn’t bring costs down.
Lets see Doctor doesn’t have to pay as much for insurance for him or his employees means he doesn’t have to charge as much for visit. There is another basic economic problem to figure out.
The doctor will do the unnecessary tests anyway because they are a cash cow.
You assume that these 0.67% in expenditures, the savings thereof, would be voluntarily passed onto consumers.
If your blood pressure meds aren’t working and you simply need another generic, you’re charged $300 just to walk in and out for a prescription note. That has nothing to do with minuscule tort costs and wouldn’t change with tort reform.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 amAnd this dispatcher STILL needs to reign, right mgparrish?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 amSo you are saying that limiting what someone can get in a law suit would take away from the care they would be getting.
That is rich. Right now doctors do tests that they know people don’t need just to cover their but. So if you put a limit on what people can sue for and make people that lose pay the bill then you cut what law suits there are. Then you see a drop in insurance costs because companies don’t have to worry about suits as bad. Now that the insurance company isn’t paying as much out they cut their prices to the doctors and people wanting plans through them. In return the doctors can cut their rates which cost the insurance companies less. It is a basic economic thing. With tort reform in place then the market forces companies to cut rates from compatition. If you have one company that cuts it rates to try to get more people then the rest will follow to do the same.
That is basic capitalism.
FACT: Businesses, not consumers, are far more likely to file frivolous lawsuits.
Businesses and their attorneys are far more likely to file frivolous claims than the average American. In a recent study, 69 of the 100 most recent sanctions due to cases of frivolous lawsuits were against businesses and their attorneys. US businesses file four times as many lawsuits than private citizens.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 am*resign
August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 amNow that I CAN believe.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:41 am300 million people and far less businesses and who files the most lawsuits?
The private sector.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:42 amJesus was a socialist.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:42 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:43 amAnd what part of make the loser pay the bill did you not understand. That will get rid of a lot of those suits.
Are you just totally against a company or person making money is that it.
Jesus was a liberal.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:44 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 3:44 amBesides that you never did tell me just how many multimillion dollar law suits were filed and won on malpratice.
You mean to cover malpractice…
August 17th, 2009 at 3:45 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 3:46 amAnd your point.
Zooey says:
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Outlaw284 says:
Zooey
Is that all you can say. Please. why don’t you prove that what is in that link is wrong.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:17 am
I don’t feel the need. I consider the source. And the source is a right wing ideologue.
You prove what the link says is right
Zooey. You really should take a real close look at ATRA. The troll used this link yesterday. The first paragraph says it all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Tort_Reform_Association
August 17th, 2009 at 3:46 amThis dispatcher should resign, right Outlaw?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:46 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:47 amThey do them incase someone tries to file a malpratice suit.
Xisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:48 amI said that a long time ago
Jesus was communal and healed people for free…its why Outlaw would nail Jesus, Lord and GOD, to a cross.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:48 amXisithrus says:
“but those I know who did sue others were all republicans,”
I find your statement ubelievably inane without any basis in fact.
I Suppose John Edwards was a Republican?
I found a link to this seminar site on the American Trial Lawyer website. Notice the “Go Left TV” video in the video below.
http://www.masstortsmadeperfect.com/
What a joke, the whole world knows that trial lawyers are mainly supporting the Democratic party.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:49 amI mean the troll used that ATRA link yesterday. I snuffed it out with that wiki I just posted in 798.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:49 amIntrepid
August 17th, 2009 at 3:50 amlet me know when you have anything worth while to say. Right now all you can do is bash the source not the facts.
Well, you said tort reform had stopped all these lawsuits and saved people money, now you are saying it isnt saving people money…whats up with that?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:50 amokie dokie says:
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Jesus was a socialist.
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Jesus advocated forced redistribtion of income? Or did he suggest that people should do these things out of their own will?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:51 amIntrepid says:
Zooey. You really should take a real close look at ATRA. The troll used this link yesterday. The first paragraph says it all.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Hell yeah, Intrepid. ATRA is definitely out to limit any recourse people might have in the courts. That’s not what our legal system is supposed to be about.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:52 amSo now we see Outlaw is saying two different things. That tort reform saved people money and lowered medical costs but now even with tort reform malpractice insurance is causing doctors to do more tests and raise costs to ‘cover their but[sic]‘
August 17th, 2009 at 3:53 amIntrepid
August 17th, 2009 at 3:54 amAnd just what was it you blasted out of the water. Oh I see the ATRA not the facts but the ATRA. keep trying you are just making yourself look that much more like the troll you like to call people.
Xisithrus says:
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Jesus was communal and healed people for free…its why Outlaw would nail Jesus, Lord and GOD, to a cross
It’s why Jesus sent people like Outlaw to Hell in Matthew 25 because it’s trolls like Outlaw who would do nothing to help someone less fortunate than him (the “least of these”).
For I was sick and imprisoned and you did not comfort me….
August 17th, 2009 at 3:54 amWhich is it Outlaw? Has tort reform saved money or not?
You cant believe boht of these things to be true and if you do its hypocrisy.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:54 ammgparrish says:
What a joke, the whole world knows that trial lawyers are mainly supporting the Democratic party.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:49 am
Fact-free again.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:55 amJesus was against usury.
The private sector not so much
August 17th, 2009 at 3:56 amMcWars
So you are saying that limiting what someone can get in a law suit would take away from the care they would be getting.
I’ll refer you to this factoid–
Basically, the ceiling and the actually awards are two different. To answer your question, yes, I believe tough liability laws are a tool in providing quality care. Know the laws, study hard, practice with integrity, and not only will you be a reputable doctor, you will have done your part to increase the quality of care in the U.S.
That is rich. Right now doctors do tests that they know people don’t need just to cover their but.
So if you put a limit on what people can sue for and make people that lose pay the bill then you cut what law suits there are.
I’m don’t follow.
Then you see a drop in insurance costs because companies don’t have to worry about suits as bad.
You were just told tort costs are 0.67 of health care expenditures. What more do you need to read?
Now that the insurance company isn’t paying as much out they cut their prices to the doctors and people wanting plans through them.
In return the doctors can cut their rates which cost the insurance companies less. It is a basic economic thing. With tort reform in place then the market forces companies to cut rates from compatition. If you have one company that cuts it rates to try to get more people then the rest will follow to do the same.
Again, you’re making way too much of 0.67% of total health care expenditures.
That is basic capitalism.
Free-wheeling capitalism, it’s become clear, has played its role in the insurance industry, and its status as an unofficial monopoly is not simply for show — it’s in people’s premiums. It’s cost has been tremendous to governments, federal and state.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:56 amZooey says:
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Jesus was a liberal.
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Now we can agree on something … but his liberalism was more like that of a “Classic Liberal”.
Modern liberals have distorted the true meaning of Liberal … One promoting freedom.
Modern liberals and progressives advocate forced collectivism, that is the exact opposite of freedom.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:57 amOutlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
And just what was it you blasted out of the water. Oh I see the ATRA not the facts but the ATRA.
From Wilkipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Tort_Reform_Association
August 17th, 2009 at 3:58 amWhat a joke, the whole world knows that trial lawyers are mainly supporting the Democratic par
Reall? How many trial lawyers are member of the activist group called the Federalists? And isnt Scalia, Roberts and Alito all or were members of that activist group? And arent Scalia, Roberts and Alito Republicans?
August 17th, 2009 at 3:58 amOutlaw284 says:
Intrepid
And just what was it you blasted out of the water. Oh I see the ATRA not the facts but the ATRA. keep trying you are just making yourself look that much more like the troll you like to call people.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:54 am
Idiot, once ATRA is blown out of the water, any so-called “facts” alleged by ATRA are blown out of the water as well. Fruit of the poisoned tree, so to speak.
Critical thinking — get some.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:58 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 3:59 amYou can try and spin it how you want. The states that have applied tort reform have lower costs on the doctors, hospitals, private sector, and insurance companies.
If you can’t admit those facts then you are blind.
mgparrish says:
Modern liberals and progressives advocate forced collectivism, that is the exact opposite of freedom.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:57 am
No, modern liberals and progressives advocate equality, which leads to more freedom for everyone.
Naturally, you wouldn’t understand such a concept.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:01 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:02 amLet me kinow when you grow a brain. Neither one of you has proven that what is in that article to be wrong. So be a good little blonde follower and go sit in the corner and shutup.
You haven’t come up with a good thought of your own yet.
What a joke, the whole world knows that trial lawyers are mainly supporting the Democratic party.
Please, head out and campaign on that point, and don’t use the cover word “Tort Reform”, use the true meaning:
“If you’re a little girl who gets disemboweled, I want to make sure the company having produced the faulty drain cover gets away with it. This can work for Americans. I won’t say how, just Vote GOP 2010!”
August 17th, 2009 at 4:02 amMcWars says:
“Free-wheeling capitalism, it’s become clear, has played its role in the insurance industry, and its status as an unofficial monopoly is not simply for show — it’s in people’s premiums. It’s cost has been tremendous to governments, federal and state.”
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Correct, but you leave out the fact that Govt. has allowed this monopoly to prevail. The argument that conservatives make is that consumers could force more real competition if thet could buy insurance across state lines, and break up local state monopolies.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:02 amThe word conservative was coined by a french guy who wanted to keep the old order of Kings, Clergy and ignorant powerless masses.
Hardly about freedom.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:03 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:03 amSO let me get this straight you don’t see anything wrong with taking from the rich and giving it to everyone else.
in fact, many of todays conservatives want to put the peoples government in the hands of the private sector creating, well it wouldnt create more freedoms, as we have seen, but an Oligarchy.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 amOutlaw284 says:
The states that have applied tort reform have lower costs on the doctors, hospitals, private sector, and insurance companies.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:59 am
Yeah, they managed to protect the people who already have all the f ucking money — not the PEOPLE who have been harmed.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 amZooey says:
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Intrepid says:
Zooey. You really should take a real close look at ATRA. The troll used this link yesterday. The first paragraph says it all.
August 17th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Hell yeah, Intrepid. ATRA is definitely out to limit any recourse people might have in the courts. That’s not what our legal system is supposed to be about.
And with backing of corporate membership, they have unlimited resources to manipulate the legal system to their own grand design.
So this is the kind of reform Outlaw prefers?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 ammgparrish @ 807
Mmmm.
He did throw the money changers out of the temple.
And Christian doctrine teaches that the only way to truly follow the way of the Lord is to leave behind all worldly possessions.
And love thy neighbor as thyself.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:06 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:07 amYou haven’t answered my question.
Do you believe that they should take from the rich and give it to everyone else.
he states that have applied tort reform have lower costs on the doctors, hospitals, private sector, and insurance companies.
Thats not what you posted earlier, you posted that tort reform had saved the average household, in Texas, 1078 dollars.
So which is it? You say Tort reform saved the household money but now you say doctors do all these tests because of malpractice insurance which tort reform lowered
August 17th, 2009 at 4:07 amOutlaw284 says:
Zooey
SO let me get this straight you don’t see anything wrong with taking from the rich and giving it to everyone else.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:03 am
It doesn’t work that way, dumbass.
The rich should pay a much higher tax rate than they currently pay. That tax money goes into the treasury, not directly to the “little people.”
Don’t worry. Even if they rich pay a 90% tax rate, they’ll still be rich.
And you aren’t one of them, are ya?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:08 amIntrepid
August 17th, 2009 at 4:09 amYou truly don’t have a clue do you.
You havent answered my question. This dispatcher should resign, right Outlaw?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:09 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 amI didn’t ask you about taxing people I asked you if you believed that they should take the money from the rich and give it to the poor.
Zooey says:
“No, modern liberals and progressives advocate equality, which leads to more freedom for everyone.”
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We all should be “equal before the law”. But no guarantee of equal results. Some people work harder than others, some have more ambitions, some have exceptional abilities. Some able body people expect others to carry them.
Communism proves you wrong. Marx propogated this false equaltarian belief. History says your wrong.
If I or someone elses earn something on my own through honest means I have not deprived anyone else of their freedom.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 amExcept thats not whats happening. What we have today is dooH niboR with politicians working for the corporations and protecting their profits by creating legislation that exposes the people to exploitation.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 amIntrepid says:
So this is the kind of reform Outlaw prefers?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 am
It seems so, Intrepid.
He’ll regret his stance on tort reform when a doctor chops off the wrong leg…
August 17th, 2009 at 4:12 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:12 amOh and I hate to hurt your feelings but the top 1% of tax payers is already paying over 50% of the federal tax in this country.
Outlaw284 says:
Zooey
I didn’t ask you about taxing people I asked you if you believed that they should take the money from the rich and give it to the poor.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 am
I know you did.
But that was such a stupid question that I tried to let you save face by answering it the way I did.
Now you just look more stupid than ever.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:12 amInsurance companies are regulated by each state.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:14 amOutlaw284 says:
Zooey
Oh and I hate to hurt your feelings but the top 1% of tax payers is already paying over 50% of the federal tax in this country.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:12 am
No hurt feelings here. They should be paying more.
Again, that’ll never be you.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:14 amXisithrus and Zooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:14 amI will ask both of you the same question.
Do you believe that they should take money from the rich and give it to everyone else.
Correct, but you leave out the fact that Govt. has allowed this monopoly to prevail. The argument that conservatives make is that consumers could force more real competition if thet could buy insurance across state lines, and break up local state monopolies.
I haven’t studied the phenomenon of state-local laws on insurance rates and availability. I did hear McCain during the debates propose something to the effect buying across state lines, but again, I’m not sure what that means. Whether this is the root of the problem, isn’t leaving it to the states, allowing a compartmentalized, decentralizsed government function a conservative trait?
I’m for a public option at any rate, but if breaking up state laws would be a part of the solution, I’m willing to hold that opinion if convinced of the facts.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:15 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:16 amNot quite yet but I am close. Sorry to inform you.
mgparrish says:
August 17th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Clearly you don’t understand the concept of equality, nor do you understand Marxism.
I’m off to bed. Toodles!
Outlaw, you just keep plugging away!
August 17th, 2009 at 4:17 amXisithrus and Zooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:17 amAgain I will ask both of you the same question.
Do you believe that they should take money from the rich and give it to everyone else.
Zooey says:
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Intrepid says:
So this is the kind of reform Outlaw prefers?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 am
It seems so, Intrepid.
He’ll regret his stance on tort reform when a doctor chops off the wrong leg…
And the judge call the lawsuit frivilous.
Apparently, the doctor accidently removed his brain.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:19 amThe rich should give back some of the money they made on the poor.
Especially the money they make by charging interest.
The rich should
August 17th, 2009 at 4:19 amZooey
August 17th, 2009 at 4:19 amIt is clear you have no clue of Marxism.
Outlaw284 says:
Zooey
Oh and I hate to hurt your feelings but the top 1% of tax payers is already paying over 50% of the federal tax in this country.
But they also control 20% of the nation’s wealth, a rate of inequality not seen since before the great depression.
I’ll add that taxes, in itself, are “distributing the wealth”. The modern trend has been wealth being distributed UP, to the already wealthy.
And taxes are already largely flat because the deduction system works marvelous wonders for upper income people. Lower income folks — not a good chance you’ll be able to exceed the standard deduction and itemize for the gold.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:20 amokie dokie
August 17th, 2009 at 4:21 amso you think that the rich should give up what they have made to the poor.
I watched a documentary the other day, the Mayfair Set, where these dooH niboRs were buying out shareholders [hostile takeovers] just so they could strip the companies assets which ended up with many people losing their jobs…purely for profits sake. I almost fell out of my chair when they showed Thatcher saying “Capitalism was about spreading the wealth”
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/video-listings.php?e=251
August 17th, 2009 at 4:21 amTechnical difficulties on #850.
Omit line 3.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:24 amXisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 4:24 amI am still waiting for your answer.
Do you thinnk that they should take from the rich and give it to the rest of the people.
You know, I recall the Robber Barons creating the poor what with their company stores and poverty wages, child labor
And just how is legalized poverty, minimum wage, NOT help create more poverty?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:24 amOutlaw284 says:
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Zooey
It is clear I have no brain.
Fixed.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:24 amI need a few hours of sleep myself. Later.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:25 amMcWars
August 17th, 2009 at 4:27 amSo because the top 1% has control of 20% of the countries wealth that means that they should have to pay more when the bottom percentage pays nothing.
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mgparrish @ 807
Mmmm.
He did throw the money changers out of the temple.
And Christian doctrine teaches that the only way to truly follow the way of the Lord is to leave behind all worldly possessions.
And love thy neighbor as thyself.
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I keep hearing the same flawed liberal argument about Jesus.
When Jesus protested the money changers it was because the established govt. (which was a Theocracy) paced a TAX upon entering the temple. Only the currency used locally was permitted, hence the need for “money changers”. Jesus was protesting a TAX imposed by the ruling authority for entry to the temple.
Loving thy neighbor has nothing to do with a 3rd party taking his money and givng it to a Statist govt.
“And Christian doctrine teaches that the only way to truly follow the way of the Lord is to leave behind all worldly possessions.”
So perhaps you will give me all your money because I am more entitled to it, because I don’t want to make it on my own? You could get into heaven that way?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:27 amThe rich didnt get rich by taking from the rich, Outlaw.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:27 amIntrepid
August 17th, 2009 at 4:28 amKeep trying.
Okay, Madoff did, but nobody accused him of being liberal.
Hahahaha
August 17th, 2009 at 4:29 amI dont want to take from the rich, I just want them to stop taking so much from the people whose sweat created their fortunes.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:29 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Xisithrus
August 17th, 2009 at 4:32 amSo do you believe that everyone should pay their fair share.
Well, parrish, nearly every liberal I know of here, and elsewhere, is against a theocracy.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:32 amIn most cultures, the wealthy take responsibility for the well being of their community, either out of compassion, or to further establish their roles as patriarchs. In any case, it does make for a more harmonious environment.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:32 amHow can they pay a fair share when making a legalized poverty wage?
Huh?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:33 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Who profits from all this spending on the military industrial complex?
Not the workers. Yet they are supposed to pay a fair share when our politicians keep handing out money to such things for their cronyist profiteering?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:37 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
And Z ask should the wealthy continue to create pooe thru robber baron wages?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:38 amOutlaw284 says:
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Intrepid
Keep trying
You’re too easy. I don’t need to try.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:39 amOutlaw284 says:
McWars
So because the top 1% has control of 20% of the countries wealth that means that they should have to pay more when the bottom percentage pays nothing.
2/3 of U.S. Corporations pay nothing in taxes.
People who got wealthy off the sweat and tears of America’s workforce (those union thugs) keep their money stashed in offshore accounts and fight to keep their names sealed.
The bottom percentage can’t afford to pay more without a further decline in the standard of living; republicans have already levied plenty of private “taxes” on them, namely in costs that have skyrocketed in the last eight years, for health insurance, food & gasoline. Don’t forget the regressive taxes everyone pays, SS & Medicare, sales & gas taxes.
The wealthiest used to pay 90% under Eisenhower and the economy did just fine. They can pay more taxes and their standard of living would be unaffected. They’re not even paying as much as they did under Reagan.
If all the money that wasn’t redistributed UP to wealthiest remained in the pockets of millions of Americans, across the board they would probably pay more in collective taxes than the taxes being paid now in the hands of a few.
For real, GOOD NIGHT.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:39 amI dont profit from war, should I pay the deficits incurred by such scams?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:39 amThe problem is that healthcare costs keep going up and up and up ans less and less people can afford it as wages have not kept up with inflation. Why just the other day BC BS in Michigan wanted a 56% premium increase to cover 133 milliom in losses. You tell me how that is susatainable.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:43 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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The problem with what democrats and liberals want in this health care bill is that they want health care for everyone.
So you believe that healthcare should be a privlege given to the wealthy instead and not a right for all to have access to?
You want the poor to be denied the same right as those who can afford it to have access to the healthcare they desperately need so they die off, don’t you?
Why do you hate the poor?
August 17th, 2009 at 4:48 amXisithrus says:
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When Jesus protested the money changers it was because the established govt. (which was a Theocracy) paced a TAX upon entering the temple.
Well, parrish, nearly every liberal I know of here, and elsewhere, is against a theocracy.
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Somehow you are saying that 2 + 2 = 5. So what if liberals are against against a Theocracy. I’m not for one either.
Your statement is not supporting the “money changers” argument.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:50 amGet out of here with that crystal ball stuff, you dont know what anyone here thinks long term and these greedy people woildnt be greedy if they were thinking long term because greed is a very short term way of thinking. Its a me here, me now, me me me me short term lunacy that is no longer term than they will live.
Health insurance rates, since 2001, have more than doubled [120% in leas than a decade] while wages are basicallu stagnant. Thats unsustainable. Its creates more uninsured.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:50 ammcparrish @ 861
Why would I give you all of my money?
And why would you ask for it?
Money is the root of all evil.
It is evil because of the greed it manifests.
Nothing is better proof of that than a town hall full of people in hysterics, only because of their fear of losing control of their money.
The teabaggers are being used as tools to manipulate sympathy for greedy corporate healthcare companies and investors.
It’s hard to not feel sorry for fools.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:51 amOffshoring jobs, how does that help people in this country? Thats not long term thinking, thats short term greed.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:52 amAnd the fact is, long term thinker [thats sarcasm] we are creating a society thats service industry oriented, how is that long term thinking? If thats the long term plan its wholly dumb.
You create a society with low wage jobs and people arent able to consume or even buy ever more expensive health insurance.
Greed will, as it did with Rome, destroy it.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:55 amPfft, you might cinsider yourself the long term thinker..your not.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:56 amRealityCheck says:
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White House apologizes for illegally spamming American citizens.
Major Garrett of the ever popular Fox News (who lead in all ratings I might add) made the smartass Gibbs eat humble pie again!
I love it
Is this the Major Garret you’re puking your guts out about Reality Challanged?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908150006
August 17th, 2009 at 4:56 amMy health insurance has tripled since 2001, and my deductable that used to be $500 is now $1500.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:57 amIntrepid says:
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Outlaw284 says:
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The problem with what democrats and liberals want in this health care bill is that they want health care for everyone.
So you believe that healthcare should be a privlege given to the wealthy instead and not a right for all to have access to?
You want the poor to be denied the same right as those who can afford it to have access to the healthcare they desperately need so they die off, don’t you?
Why do you hate the poor?
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The very poor get free health care.
No one is denied health care due to inabilty to pay, it’s federal law.
The naive assumption that only rich people are going to have to pay for the uninsured is insane. You can tax all those “greedy” rich people at 100% tax rates and still not be able to pay for 100% of the citizens being insured.
See all those seniors and middle class people out there protesting know what’s coming. It will be on their backs.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:57 amokie dokie says:
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mcparrish @ 861
Why would I give you all of my money?
And why would you ask for it?
Money is the root of all evil.
It is evil because of the greed it manifests.
Nothing is better proof of that than a town hall full of people in hysterics, only because of their fear of losing control of their money.
The teabaggers are being used as tools to manipulate sympathy for greedy corporate healthcare companies and investors.
It’s hard to not feel sorry for fools.
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Seems as longs as it’s someone else money that is being taken by force that is not evil. Improving one’s self is not greed, it is a positive attribute.
Poor people have the freedom to be poor, it’s really their choice in life. Just like I had the choice in life to attend college (paid for by working at low wage jobs and loans) or to be a burden on society.
Millions of average people make it in life. Hope and change is what you should be seeing in the mirror everyday.
Socialism only lowers everyone to the lowest common level.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:07 amGovernment managed healthcare isn’t anymore socialist than government managed war.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:13 ammgparrish says:
Poor people have the freedom to be poor, it’s really their choice in life. Just like I had the choice in life to attend college (paid for by working at low wage jobs and loans) or to be a burden on society.
Right, people choose to be poor because they feel like it…they really don’t give a damn about their kids, they don’t care about their well-being…
You people always assume that people not making enough money are lazy. Well tell THAT to the parents at the school I used to work at working 3 jobs to make ends meet. Go to school, you say. Well with the wages they earn, don’t you think they WOULD go if they had the time? Don’t you think they would WANT to go? tHAT’S what I dislike about people like you with your stuck-up and condescending attitudes. You assume these people are immoral, lazy, and shiftless. You repeat the same accusations that the elites have made against the people below their financial status, that they’re lazy and good-for-nothing. Well ironically, those working hardest in the Antebellum South were those “lazy, shiftless” slaves…Ironic isn’t it?
August 17th, 2009 at 5:19 amokie dokie says:
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Government managed healthcare isn’t anymore socialist than government managed war.
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Well Okie Dokie seems the sleeping giant has awoken and the politicians have taken note.
There will be no Public Plan, no single payer, so just get over it.
The idea that US govt. can do anything efficiently is absurd. The govt role should be to regulate, not to be in the game.
Keeping insurers on a tight leash is a good thing. Those of us with good insurance are not going to give it up and wait in your damn socialist rationing system. The idea that govt. can compete fairly with private insurers is insane.
Imagine playing baseball against a team that had a referee that also was playing first base.
Anyway, a moot argument. YOU HAVE LOST. Obama has thrown you under the bus. He does not want to be a “one and done” President, it’s “the Chicago way”.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:32 amWhen Jesus protested the money changers it was because the established govt. (which was a Theocracy) paced a TAX upon entering the temple. Only the currency used locally was permitted, hence the need for “money changers”. Jesus was protesting a TAX imposed by the ruling authority for entry to the temple.
From what I see, he was concerned about the money changers exchanging money at highly profitable rates for THEM…because the temple did not accept foreign coinage…So if there was no exchange rate agreed upon, I could as a money charger charge let’s use today’s currency, 5,000 euros for a dollar which would be used in the temple…
August 17th, 2009 at 5:35 amUCSBKitty
Millions of working middle class people are proving you wrong.
People shouldn’t have kids if they can’t take care of them.
I took care of mine and I am not rich.
I’m not responsible for your own misery, you are. Funny I see people everyday that instead of whining just go out and improve their situation.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:37 amYour point is moot in that people when they have kids do EVERYTHING in their power to take care of them. Yours is a condescending argument that does nothing to help the situation…While I commend you for making a success out of yourself, all you can do is judge and compare yourself favorably to them, because it makes you feel better.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:39 amWars are more like football games and only two party elections, now aren’t they?
Always a winner and a loser.
Yay, team.
Seems like there’s always enough money for spectator sports.
Read your post @890, mgparrish.
Suppose you had a cronic health condition that cost you over a thousand dollars a month to manage and were deemed “uninsurable”.
Or a dependent family member was critically injured or permanently disabled in an accident and your insurance isn’t enough?
Or you hit your head, go into a coma, and miss a premium payment?
People don’t choose these things to happen, but they do.
And when they do, they can lose everything.
A little empathy can go a long way to make the world a better place.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:40 amUCSBKitty says:
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When Jesus protested the money changers it was because the established govt. (which was a Theocracy) paced a TAX upon entering the temple. Only the currency used locally was permitted, hence the need for “money changers”. Jesus was protesting a TAX imposed by the ruling authority for entry to the temple.
From what I see, he was concerned about the money changers exchanging money at highly profitable rates for THEM…because the temple did not accept foreign coinage…So if there was no exchange rate agreed upon, I could as a money charger charge let’s use today’s currency, 5,000 euros for a dollar which would be used in the temple…
August 17th, 2009 at 5:40 am*******
I missed that in the bible, can you point me to the correct verse?
I’m not responsible for your own misery, you are.
AND How would you know my condition? You are quick to judge…Perhaps I’m quick to judge you as well, your attitude towards these people to be more exact…
August 17th, 2009 at 5:40 am12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
13 “It is written,” he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’”
14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:42 amto post 887
Gibbs the smartass looks like Gibbs the dumbass again!
hahahahahahaha
August 17th, 2009 at 5:42 amokie dokie says:
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Wars are more like football games and only two party elections, now aren’t they?
Always a winner and a loser.
Yay, team.
Seems like there’s always enough money for spectator sports.
Read your post @890, mgparrish.
Suppose you had a cronic health condition that cost you over a thousand dollars a month to manage and were deemed “uninsurable”.
Or a dependent family member was critically injured or permanently disabled in an accident and your insurance isn’t enough?
Or you hit your head, go into a coma, and miss a premium payment?
People don’t choose these things to happen, but they do.
And when they do, they can lose everything.
A little empathy can go a long way to make the world a better place.
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If you read my posts you would see that regulating insurance companies to not “cherry pick” or cap treatments would be a good thing. Regulation can accomplish that without spending trillions of dollars. Socialism is not needed to fix what you describe.
The reality is that whatever reform that will be passed will mean that now everyone that had choosen not to be insured, because they felt they were young and invincible, will now be forced to buy insurance.
I’m gonna love watching all the liberals and progressives whine about that. It’s coming.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:48 amUCSBKitty says:
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12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
13 “It is written,” he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’”
14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them.
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Like I said he was protesting the collection of money to enter the temple. The reason “money changers” were there was because local currency was not excepted. Why else “change money”? If the money changers were not necessary because the temple could be entered using any currency do you think he would not have protested even without the “middlemen” involved?
Anyway Jesus took it upon himself to help the lame and the the blind. I missed the part where he thought it was OK to take money from people who had earned it honestly and give it to the govt. who would then give it to people who were not lame and blind? So was Jesus really a socialist?
Nothing wrong with helping those who CANNOT help themselves, we have a moral obligation to do so. It’s able body people that don’t want to help themselves I find to be repulsive.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:07 amRespectfully, why do you think that EVERYONE who is poor is shiftless and refuse to help themselves? Sure, I’m not denying that there are those who may seem to refuse to help themselves…but it seems you are taking some examples and then generalizing EVERYONE who doesn’t make as much as you are blessed to make.
The thing is there were Jews from foreign lands who came to the temple. Jesus was criticizing the practice of the moneychangers who set up their own rate of exchange, which led them to rip off those who came to the temple. There was nothing where he says he was protesting the collection of money as a tax as you would like to portray it as…
August 17th, 2009 at 6:13 am@ #902
Of course you will mgparrish.
It obviously makes you feel superior to watch other people suffer.
And see other people “fail”.
It validates that you’re not the failure that somebody told you that you would be unless you believed in all the “right” ways to think.
And FYI, I’ve had my own business for over 25 years and probably pay more taxes a year than you have in your lifetime.
But it’s not just about me or you.
It’s about the better good for our country.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:19 amAnd it certainly wouldn’t have survived with your lack of compassion for others.
Kitty,
I’m not seeing the language about an “exchange rate”. I guess he was OK with the temple leaders turning the place into a market?
Anyway, I still don’t get the “Jesus was a socialist” connection which was what I was questioning.
Again I refer you to the millions of people who don’t become parasites upon others. Anyone can learn a skilled occupation, they don’t need to be a rocket scientist to be self reliant. Just a question of will and desire.
I was not “blessed” for what I have, I wasn’t lucky, and I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth either. I learned a long time ago why there are “haves” and “have nots”. It’s really about those that “will” and those that “will not”.
Regardless of WHY some people have things and some don’t, it’s not because others deprived them of opportunity, nor did they really steal anything away from them.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:41 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
WOW!
The regurgitation powers of those RW morons are truly amazing!
According to them
1) There is nothing wrong with the current system
unless of course, you include “tort reform”
2) The poor already get free health care at Emergency Rooms
and of course, the poor got so sick that they visit Emergency Rooms for check ups, all for free.
3) Government run plans are a failure. Private business knows best
Yes. Ask Dumbsfelt how well his plans to “privatize” the armed forces worked in Iraq. REAL SAVINGS right there.
4) This is just a start on the road to COMMUNISM.
Well, yes again. Just look at England and Canada, they have been corrupted. Das Capital and Mao’s Little Red book have replaced the buyble. Their people have to make long lines just to get some toilet paper.
/snark off
August 17th, 2009 at 7:06 ammgparrish says:
No one is denied health care due to inabilty to pay, it’s federal law.
Actually, the inability to pay keeps many people away from any medical help at all — because a bill will still be sent, and sent, and sent (and sent to collections, etc.). So, you think it is o.k. for the 40 million uninsured to simply go to the doctor and… oh, wait…. actually a doctor CAN refuse to see a patient for tests and a check up and all that if the patient cannot pay. In fact, if yopu HAVE insurance but do not have the co-pay in cash you WILL be sent away from ANY doctor’s office — not one I know of or have dealt with are willing to bend on their co-pay policy: pay up, up front, or go home with no doctor visit.
I guess you have had a different experience? Or you really don’t know what you are talking about.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:24 ammgparrish says:
Poor people have the freedom to be poor, it’s really their choice in life. Just like I had the choice in life to attend college (paid for by working at low wage jobs and loans) or to be a burden on society.
What a self-righteous prick you are.
You assume that poor people “choose” to be poor? They are all lazy layabouts who enjoy poverty? You are a moron.
Funny, my wages are on the cusp of poor (for my family size), and that with three degrees and two minors (plus other education beyond that). Pieces of paper from a university mean very, very little today. Very few of those pieces of paper today will offer you a strong chance at finding employment based on that paper (and not on actual lob experience).
Employment is not indicative of education, nor is education required for highly compensated employment. Nor does holding a piece of paper indicate any measure of intelligence at all — it indicates the ability to pass through a particular system (school) and the ability to pass tests (which is not a function that is certainly indicative of intelligence nor learning — it merely indicates that you can pass a test. Short term temporary memory can be a great asset for this task).
And not all poor people are “a burdon on society” (nice phrasing — what would YOU suggest that we do with these “societal burdens”?).
August 17th, 2009 at 7:34 ammgparrish says:
Kitty,
I’m not seeing the language about an “exchange rate”. I guess he was OK with the temple leaders turning the place into a market?
Anyway, I still don’t get the “Jesus was a socialist” connection which was what I was questioning.
Again I refer you to the millions of people who don’t become parasites upon others. Anyone can learn a skilled occupation, they don’t need to be a rocket scientist to be self reliant. Just a question of will and desire.
I was not “blessed” for what I have, I wasn’t lucky, and I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth either. I learned a long time ago why there are “haves” and “have nots”. It’s really about those that “will” and those that “will not”.
Regardless of WHY some people have things and some don’t, it’s not because others deprived them of opportunity, nor did they really steal anything away from them.
Then why not pay a living wage then?
In Matthew 17:24-28, Jesus pays the temple tax himself, although to be fair, he does complain about those who exempt family from their taxes…
August 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am