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Joe The Plumber Says He Would ‘Beat The Livin’ Tar’ Out Of Pelosi

This past weekend, at the right wing’s RightOnline blogger conference in Pittsburgh — sponsored by Americans for Prosperity — Alternet’s Adele Stan reported that Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher attacked Nancy Pelosi for calling teabaggers “un-American.” (In fact, Pelosi said “drowning out opposing views is un-American.”) Wurzelbacher said that in the good ol’ days, he would have been able to physically “beat” Pelosi:

WURZELBACHER: For Pelosi to write about us bein’ un-American and disprespectful — I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful towards them? Please! You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.

(UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.)

Joe reiterated his statement in an interview with Stan after his speech:

STAN: There’s a lot of talk about fears of violence in these town hall meetings, and you know there was a guy who showed up with a gun strapped to his leg in New Hampshire — and I’m wondering what you have to say to that narrative?

WURZELBACHER: Let me start off by saying that I don’t advocate the violence, however, that being said, Congress has been lying to us for years. They take advantage of us, they manipulate us, and years ago people like that would’ve been taken behind the woodshed and slapped upside the head a couple times. I’m not telling people to go out and do that and I don’t advocate that if we can make our point through facts.

Listen:

For someone who doesn’t advocate violence, Joe sure spends a lot of time talking about it. A few months ago, he told Think Progress that anyone who criticized the military would’ve been shot “back in the day” and that he’d personally like to slap around anyone who “talked treasonous talk about America.”

Update Joe also provided some parenting advice at the conference, telling right wingers that his "size twelves" do just as good a job as teachers when it comes to making sure his children are educated. Watch it:



201 Responses to “Joe The Plumber Says He Would ‘Beat The Livin’ Tar’ Out Of Pelosi”

  1. raynman says:

    Lord, please let his 15 minutes end soon!


  2. Zooey says:

    If this moron isn’t being investigated and arrested soon, I really want to know why.


  3. LibertyLover says:

    Self-awareness and self-reflection apparently aren’t priorities with this man.


  4. NinerFan says:

    Actually, I think it’s kind of a plus for Democrats and liberals. Yes, “Joe the Plumber” needs to be the spokesperson for the modern conservative movement! He’s perfect.


  5. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Anyone surprised?

    A right-winger whose preferred method of dealing with conflict is violence?

    Where have we seen that before?


  6. tokin librul says:

    I don’t advocate violence, either…

    That said, I’d sure love to watch/help Joe choke on a crow-bar…


  7. Virtual Pebble says:

    Dang, Joe. I’m really proud o’ ya. Spoken like a true blue chickenhawk. And I really really admire a fella with a nice yellow stripe down his back who’ll deliver a slap upside the haid to a woman. They just don’t come much better than you, Joe.

    Ya stop beatin’ the wife, Joe. That why you’re all riled up?


  8. Ape-Man says:

    wow. joe the Plumber is a model Republican!


  9. ralph the wonder llama says:

    LibertyLover says:
    Self-awareness and self-reflection apparently aren’t priorities with this man.

    Well, LibertyLover, those are pretty evolved concepts. And you now how these guys feel about evolution...


  10. LizCoro says:

    This this man even have A JOB to feed and take care of his children, I mean . . other than his size 12’s??

    And WHO and WHERE is the lucky Mrs. Joe the NONplumber?


  11. Hoodathunk says:

    It is absolutely amazing the number of people out there who talk about violence being something they would do but they don’t advocate it. Obviously someone doesn’t know what advocate means.


  12. Varecia says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  13. rastaman says:

    SIZE TWELVES? did he just threaten children with sexual innuendo and abuse?


  14. hellinabucket says:

    …I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.

    Usually Joe? But you don’t believe in violence. So you are a bully or a liar. Or both.


  15. cynicalgirl says:

    He has children? Please don’t tell me this idiot procreated!


  16. LibertyLover says:

    Varecia — it is important to know one’s opposition.


  17. Virtual Pebble says:

    And an educational kick-in-the-butt program too. That Joe, he’s an all arounder.


  18. pastcaring says:

    What a big man to beat a woman…no wonder he a Repulbiconartist.


  19. eyeswideopen1 says:

    Does that not cross the line and justify a visit from the FBI? Is it not illegal to threaten a public official.


  20. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    This guy is divorced, isn’t he? Any guesses why? I just wonder if the time is going to come when he doesn’t like a reporter’s or progressive activist’s question and he responds violently.


  21. CheeseFlap says:

    “My America:
    You make me think-I punch you!
    Ah, the good ole days…”


  22. paleolib says:

    Answer: Joe the Plumber and the Taliban.

    Question: Name two advocates of violence against women.


  23. Zooey says:

    Varecia says:
    August 17th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    There are other threads you might enjoy.


  24. Buckie Boy says:

    Joe the Moron says – I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me (Bush, Cheney, Rice) and manipulates me (Fox News, Republican politicians) and takes my money and puts my children in debt (again, Bush, Cheney, Rummie and the rest).

    Joe just likes it in the behind, as long as it is Republicans doing the ramming.


  25. Virtual Pebble says:

    Well, he got one thing right. “Not civilized”. Perhaps a one-way ticket to a wilderness area on another continent is in order.


  26. gully foyle says:

    Good parenting skills there Joe.

    Kick a kid with ’size 12’s’ then send them to school where they have a chip on their shoulder, are bullies, and end up in deep trouble.

    I feel sorry for Joe’s kids. If he has them.


  27. Virtual Pebble says:

    23. paleolib sez:…

    we’ve started a round of Joepardy already? I was waiting for Whack-a-Troll…


  28. labman57 says:

    Typical right wing mentality.
    Don’t like somebody? Shoot ‘em or string ‘em up.
    Disagree with the views of your elected officials? Poison them or beat the crap out of them.


  29. Zooey says:

    Kids really learn a lot when their dad kicks them with his “size 12.”

    Things like humiliation, anger, resentment, and that it’s okay when big people hit little people.

    Well done, Sam. *eyes rolling*


  30. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Varecia says:
    Yes, He’s an idiot. Think Progress needs to prioritize what it gives time and attention to! This is NOT high on the list of pressing issues.

    Are they in danger of running out of pixels or something?


  31. Bob says:

    The worst campaign stunt ever just won’t go away. It must be a tribute to American Stupidity, the largest voting block.


  32. Fred says:

    Varecia says:
    Yes, He’s an idiot. Think Progress needs to prioritize what it gives time and attention to! This is NOT high on the list of pressing issues.

    Never seen your username before but it seems odd that the only thing you have felt was worthy of respoding to was this.

    Maybe you need to prioritize yourself a little.


  33. katy says:

    “size twelves” do just as good a job as teachers when it comes to making sure his children are educated.

    well, it certainly worked well on HIM… you can tell…

    … feel bad for his kid now…


  34. GeorgeandDick says:

    George says – Hehehe…Joe, you da man, shock and awe, shock and awe…you know what to do…slap them women around, makes you feel like a man…just like I did to those Iraqi’s…only I used bombs and willy pete…mixed in with a little torture and murder…and look at me…I’m free as a bird…so you just go to DC and do that Joe…it’ll make you a bigger man, like me…then you can wear the cod piece… the ladies like that…just ask Dick.

    Dick says – I need fresh cute kitten and puppy blood…getting weak.


  35. joe cantwell says:

    **

    #13,

    send in the concern trolls

    there must be concern trolls

    don’t bother they’re here…

    :)


  36. Django says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  37. EnnuiDivine says:

    Self-absorbed lout who likes to beat women and children. Such a FINE role model…


  38. SoapBox says:

  39. hormiga brava chavez says:

    Yeah that’s right Joe you’re not a civilized person. Probably abusive towards women and children. I hope his kids live with their mom full-time. Joe sounds like he needs someone to call child protection services on him.


  40. okie dokie says:

    “They take advantage and manipulate us”.

    Isn’t Joe confusing congress with Fox News?


  41. Fred says:

    years ago people like that would’ve been taken behind the woodshed and slapped upside the head a couple times.

    I wonder what the hell he is talking about?


  42. Tundra says:

    This guy sure can find speaking engagements. Shouldn’t he be tightening a pipe somewhere?


  43. SP Biloxi says:

    “Joe The Plumber Says He Would ‘Beat The Livin’ Tar’ Out Of Pelosi”

    He is still around pimping for money? The unlicensed plumber? When is this dude’s 15 minutes of fame going to expired? And I guess no one explain to Joe that McCain’s Presidential campaign is over and it is time to move on, like getting his plumbing license.


  44. Fred says:

    Django says:
    I agree with Varecia. ThinkProgress and other otherwise excellent sites are allowing this casuist and that other Queen of Casuistry, Sarah Palin, to thrive by repeating their nonsense. Let’s leave them in the dust where they so rightly deserve and elevate the dialog.

    I bet you would like that. Sorry, we’re draggin em both throught the streets until they are rags and using them against the right at every turn.

    Concerned?


  45. Tundra says:

    When is this dude’s 15 minutes of fame going to expired?

    That’s the words I was looking for!


  46. Zooey says:

    Django says:
    August 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Sunlight is the best disinfectant.


  47. Zooey says:

    Tundra says:

    This guy sure can find speaking engagements. Shouldn’t he be tightening a pipe somewhere?
    August 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    If he were a real plumber — yeah!


  48. rayy says:

    i think it takes a “real man” to resort to violence when you lack the intelligence to use reason to convince others.

    I bet the Repub’s cringe every time this guy gets a mouthful out there!


  49. TXProgressive says:

    Just how much of a moron would you have to be to give “Joe the Plumber” any credibility on any of the major issues?


  50. galmud says:

    dumb, dumber, Joe the plumber


  51. Spencer's mom says:

    Speaker Pelosi is third in line for the presidency. Death threats against the President, now this bullshit welfare queen is threatening the safety of the Speaker of the House?

    Where are the police? The FBI? The Secret Service? The silence surrounding accountability is deafening.

    Mr. President and AG Holder, this is what happens when you don’t investigate blatant criminal activities from the last administration. The rule of law has turned into a punchline.

    PEACE


  52. hormiga brava chavez says:

    What’s alarming to me is that people actually call on him to come and speak! People actually sit and listen to this fool! UNBELIEVABLE!


  53. okie dokie says:

    I think Joe has spent so much time smoking pipes,
    He just thinks he’s a plumber.


  54. LividLib says:

    cynicalgirl says:

    “He has children?”

    Yes.
    They’d make good pets.


  55. NOLIESPLEASE says:

    WURZELBACHER: For Pelosi to write about us bein’ un-American and disprespectful — I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful toward them? Please!…You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.

    Then get rid of the Federal Reserve you fu**en idiot. The moment your government allows the Federal reserve to print money, it’s done at interest to the US. If Joe was smart enough to see that the Federal Reserve is not owned by the US GOVERNMENT!!!! HEY JOE, YOUR KIDS WILL PAY INTEREST ON THE DEBT TO JEWISH BANKERS….LOL. LOOK UP THE OWNERS OF THE FED RESERVE JOE….AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR DEBT…IT’S YOUR PARTY THE REPUGS WHO ALLOWED IT.

    KISS THE FEDERAL RESERVE JOE!!!! THERE THE ONESE GIVING IT TO YOU UP THE A$$.

    Have a nice day Joe.


  56. Winski says:

    Can we all just finally gree that “Joe the Plumber” is an idiot and STOP GIVING THIS FOOL PRESS??!

    He’s outlived his stupidity even for cluster-fox. STOP!!!


  57. DRxJ says:

    Joe the Plumber is really Joe the Wife Beater, and Joe the Child Abuser?

    No offense, but it has been many of observations during college and my 20’s that those who brag the most about “fighting”, are usually making up for inadequacies, especially in the bedroom category.

    Shall we now refer to him as Joe the Not Well Endowed???


  58. Winski says:

    That’s “agree” not ‘gree”….


  59. RUCerious says:

    How’d you get your driver’s license again, Sam?


  60. Pilotshark says:

    LOL >>> good on you joe>>>>>

    but i put my money on the dem from California MS Pelosi

    as think well actually i know she can slap you upside the head.


  61. RUCerious says:

    Joe pines for the good ol days of Home Correction.


  62. southrnbelle says:

    Boy, I’d buy a ticket to that!!!

    Nancy Pelosi could STARE DOWN this d#ckless wimp in about 2 seconds flat!!

    THE VOICE OF AUTHORITY FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!

    Oooooooo!!!


  63. misscoleopteramolly says:

    Pilotshark says
    August 17th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    as think well actually i know she can slap you upside the head.
    __________________________________________________________

    Pelosi raised five children. I bet she knows how to handle them.


  64. Above the Clouds says:

    He sure as hell wouldn’t be able to out-smart Pelosi (or for that matter many others).


  65. Varecia says:

    Yes, I’ve been a long time reader of Think Progress, and yes, I’ve posted before…but less these days as it seems to be more and more draining heat compared to the light. And I’ve been spending most of today urging people on various sites to call and email their Senators and Representatives about a general lack of spine on the part of Democrats in facing down the Republicans, conservatives and corporate interests regarding health care reform generally, and the public option specifically, and also emailing friends to do likewise–TODAY. Joe the Plumber is aggravating, but there is only so much anyone can do about people like him. The opposition is already spreading new scare rumors about home nurse visits!


  66. Leftside Annie says:

    Wow. That mysogynistic, child-abusing asshat would make a Neanderthal look civilized.

    And… my sincere apologies to Neanderthals everywhere.


  67. WaltinTexas says:

    I would expect nothing less from a cowardly right-winger.


  68. Shayne says:

    Bob says:

    The worst campaign stunt ever just won’t go away. It must be a tribute to American Stupidity, the largest voting block.

    I beg to differ. Joes the second worst. Sarah Palin is the absolute worst ever. John McCain should be held accountable for both of them.


  69. Tundra says:

    And… my sincere apologies to Neanderthals everywhere.

    Public Speaking…So easy even a caveman could do it.


  70. belaccifer lacca says:

    Another failed attempt by progressives to marginalize any dissenting voice by doing what they do best. Attaching a label and grouping.

    Yeah, damn commie, pinko, tree-hugging, union FASCISTS!

    /sarc


  71. okie dokie says:

    Funny that Joe not-the-plumber refers to the “mainstream media”
    as “living on the gravy train”, like there was no news to report
    until tea party madness broke out.

    And speaking of gravy trains,
    I wonder if Joe is still on the Dick Armey payroll?


  72. RUCerious says:

    When Sam/Joe applied for his Ohio Driver’s License, he was required to state that the Arizona license he obtained was in good stead.
    He lied about that. He was wanted in AZ for numerous violations.
    How about taking a little vacation in Tempe, Sam/Joe?


  73. misscoleopteramolly says:

    To be fair to Joe, he did speak in past tense, and didn’t say in so many words that he would beat up Pelosi today.

    However, when he said, “I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt,” I wonder why he’s putting Nancy at the head of the line — ahead of George and Dick, who lied to us, manipulated us to get us into two wars, spent a lot of money we didn’t have to do it, and put Joe’s children into unprecedented debt way before Obama spent even one dime of his money?

    I suspect Joe merely parrots what he gets from the wingnut mouthpieces, and doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.


  74. blackwidow says:

    So Joe who is not a plumber thinks it is OK to slap women around if only he lived in the good old days?
    Classy.


  75. Shayne says:

    Varecia, we’re all multi-taskers. Thanks for your concern.


  76. Shayne says:

    watchdog says:

    Who cares what this guy has to say?

    Oh the irony.


  77. Hoodathunk says:

    Dissenting voice? Beat the crap out of people is dissent? Sounds sick to me.


  78. Fred says:

    watchdog says:
    Who cares what this guy has to say?

    The right keeps putting him in front of a camera and yet you wish to condem us because he’s a joke? Funny.


  79. Rich H says:

    I know it’s probably been said already, but can’t the FBI just arrest this guy?


  80. DRxJ says:

    Okay, when I see that someone voted down missmolly’s post, I realize we have a serial “vote down” trollie.

    blotchdog, is that you?


  81. BuckarooBanzai says:

    WURZELBACHER: For Pelosi to write about us bein’ un-American and disprespectful — I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful toward them? Please!…

    Takes your money? Uh, didn’t you owe the IRS back taxes, Sammy?


  82. EugeneDebs says:

    watchdog says:

    Republicans motto. We are such ignorant brainwashed morons. Tell us what to think. Just STFU punk


  83. Xisithrus says:

    Joe, have you stopped whupping the tar out of your wife and kids behind the wood shed YET?


  84. EugeneDebs says:

    Yeah Joe wishes-he-was-a-plumber is sure a toughguy threatening to beat up an old lady. What a putz


  85. Xisithrus says:

    Im sorry, I really am, I meant to say “Gave you stopped pistol whipping the wife and kids YET?”


  86. Xisithrus says:

    *Have LOL, Im laughing at Joe and typing bad.


  87. Tawdry says:

    I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful toward them? Please!…You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of them.

    —————————
    Okay Joe, were you napping or passed out or whatever for 8 years. Am I wrong or did George Bush lie to us about Saddam and WMD. Didn’t he take Clinton’s surplus and turn it into a huge deficit? Did you have beating on your mind then? Gawd these people are stupid.


  88. okie dokie says:

    Maybe Notjoe will start his own PAC for white, not mainstream,
    woman-beating frauds.

    That would certainly be an interesting addition to polling demographics.


  89. schrank says:

    Why is this knob still relevant? Doesn’t he have a plumber’s certification to study for or something?


  90. Xisithrus says:

    Well, Joe, has anyone whupped the tar outta you for voicing your opinion?

    Grow up, this isnt high school, and its not some construction site. You make people work ar such jobs, as I do, look bad.


  91. Fred says:

    watchdog says:
    TP constantly puts this guy up trying to falsely imply that what he says resonates with every American who disagrees with the progressive agenda.

    How g damned stupid are you? TP didn’t put a mike in his face.


  92. Fred says:

    watchdog says:
    TP constantly puts this guy up

    Try reading the article mr clueless before you make youself look even dumber than you already have. Do you see where he was when he made these statements?


  93. Jackie says:

    Here’s a man with a lien on his house, back child support and an unlicensed plummer who was picked up by McCain to use against Obama. We’ve heard how horny Joe is and now he’s the spoken person for raising a child and beating Law Makers. It’s the Media/Press that continue to let Joe have his 15 minutes and it’s pass being old. Now other wing nuts are looking for their shot at headlines.


  94. progressive homeschooler says:

    He longs for the good ole days, when beating your wife and children was considered a private matter. What an a$$.


  95. Xisithrus says:

    TP constantly puts this guy up trying to falsely imply that what he says resonates with every American who disagrees with the progressive agenda.

    Read what I said at #93


  96. Xisithrus says:

    Id much rather watch Katy Abrams or Orly Taitz than Joe Plummerer with the sound off.


  97. Bob says:

    Shayne says:
    I beg to differ. Joes the second worst. Sarah Palin is the absolute worst ever. John McCain should be held accountable for both of them.
    August 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Good point. If McCain could make a good decision, they wouldn’t have needed ‘Joe the Ringer’, campaign plant. Good thing Panama Gramps isn’t making important decisions.


  98. diffrntdrummr says:

    So Sam likes to beat up on women. I’m shocked! I wouldn’t let my kids anywhere near him.


  99. barfly says:

    You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.

    I’m guessing he bushwacked them behind the shed; he’s obviously a weiner, who can’t go toe-to-toe like a man.


  100. DNFP says:

    More like Joe Dirt.

    As in “dumber than a sack of-”.


  101. Xisithrus says:

    Cripes o mighty Joe, you embarass me not from a political but from a workers perspective.


  102. Xisithrus says:

    As in “dumber than a sack of-”.

    Coconuts!


  103. katy says:

    galmud says:
    dumb, dumber, Joe the plumber

    ed schultz has been calling kinds of people, pols and pundits alike, “dumber than joe the plumber!”… it needs to catch on…

    speaking of which… ed’s really pissed… he did not hold back on his criticism of the prez and senators who are f’n with this…

    even stephanie could barely cheer me up this morning…
    but ed was bringin’ me down… not his fault, and i hope his anger riles up enough people to fix it…

    and now filling in for randi rhodes, FRANGELA!!!
    so, it’s a bit more fun… but they are pissed too… or rather “FRANGRY!”
    (Angela + Francis = FRANGELA)

    they are talking to matt taibbi now… he thinks this talk was/is a trial balloon to see how riled we’d get… not that it matters… sounds like the deal is done…

    but, earlier, on a VERY funny note, FRANGELA was talking about being in the same building as limpballs and wanted to take questions in case they got a chance to pass them on to him…

    their plan is to approach him and say “DADDY! It’s so good to see you! Momma misses you!”

    FRANGELA is a 2 black women comedy team!

    can you see it???!!! ha!


  104. dasm says:

    Sounds like this jerk is admitting to child abuse & violence towards women. Is any law enforcement or children’s/women’s advocacy groups paying attention? Not Joe the not plumber is a violent poweder keg waiting to explode– and that’s obvious by his own words.


  105. Xisithrus says:

    Joe, Joe, Joe, your kids have been born in debt for some time ago,,,you are their father.


  106. pete says:

    SamJoe is the perfect icon for the modern GOP. Brutal and stupid.


  107. Noticed says:

    The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. ~Chinese proverb


  108. getplaning says:

    The only thing Wurzelbacher ever beat behind the woodshed was his mini-Joe.


  109. tombaker says:

    Thus making middle-aged women the only people Joe isn’t afraid to fight.

    Rugged, Joe, real rugged.

    Super-manly there, buddy.

    Righties are such scum.


  110. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    When did the Republic party become the part of violence? Because that’s all we are hearing from them these days.


  111. thomthum says:

    here’s an idea…stop giving him space on TP. he does not matter…he’s an irrelevant tool..we know…we get it…so what?


  112. kwsventures says:

    Is there anyone in the congress, Joe couldn’t beat down?


  113. LibertyLover says:

    Such a catch… no wonder women are beating a path to his door.


  114. muntaba says:

    everything I need to know I learned from size 12’s


  115. pete says:

    I like threads about SamJoe, thomthum. Purely for comic relief. He also has a knack (oh crap! this is going to sound like a compliment) for articulating the thoughts of the silly rabble who run away from cameras or mindlessly shout slogans.


  116. johnny dol1ar says:

    Sam the not plumber but tax scofflaw first gets a boner speaking before the GOPigs.

    Now, he gets invited to speak before another bunch of RW idiots and he threatens an ELECTED OFFICIAL, a WOMAN no less.

    Watch the video and the morons cheering him.

    Perfect poster knuckle dragger for the GOPigs.


  117. woke says:

    Joe the plumber’s helper, eh?

    He isn’t even that any longer. There is a word for people who spew the bs of their masters, even though they don’t benefit themselves from those policies…..

    DUPE


  118. pete says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:
    When did the Republic party become the part of violence?

    The “Banana Republic” party has really embraced violence since the Dixiecrats invaded. Then they took a notch up when Raygun legitimized the “Religious Right”. But the final straw is the election of a President who, rumors persist, is not entirely Caucasian.

    Stupid, frightened, people are violent and, alas, the remaining dregs of the GOP are stupid and frightened.


  119. The Angry Republican says:

    WOW what projection!

    No wonder you’re Divorced and separated from your kids.

    Wife-Beaters-R-US maybe?


  120. evangenital says:

    Where does the line form for folks who want to kick the living tar out of Sam Wurzelbacher aka Joe the Plumber?


  121. tombaker says:

    kws – you and joe should take it up with Jim Webb.

    if he’s not available, Al Franken will oblige, and kick both your pasty righty asses for the price of one. remember – he offered Rich Lowry, but of course being a Righty, Lowry chickened out.

    in fact, I can think of a number of D’s who could take care of it.

    not many R’s though.

    actually, none.


  122. EugeneDebs says:

    kwsventures says:

    Is there ANYTHING too stupid for you to post?


  123. wiley says:

    Is he talking about kicking children? Stomping them? What a pathetic and weak man, he is.


  124. nofltwlt says:

    He’s not the only righ-wing fanatic that would abuse women. Next he will be threatening Hana Montana.

    Tell Joe-the-coward to try me or Jim Webb instead.


  125. dbadass says:

    I had sort of been missing old SamJoe. Still I am sort of pissed that anyone would mistake this clown for average…


  126. pete says:

    OT:

    Good evening, dbadass. I just purchased a new royal gramma for my aquarium. He/she has been in there for about two hours and I haven’t seen it since I dumped it out of the net!


  127. barfly says:

    TAKE BACK AMERICA says:

    I don’t agree at all with pelosi but any man who hits a woman is a coward.

    And one that brags he’d do it? Coward, squared.


  128. EugeneDebs says:

    TAKE BACK AMERICA says:

    I don’t agree at all with pelosi but any man who hits a woman is a coward.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    I guess it was inevitable that you would eventually say something I completely agree with.


  129. labman57 says:

    Is that before or after Beck poisons her…?


  130. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    I’m going to take a “Grassley approach” to Joe the Unplumber. I will discontinue supporting Joe-bashing on TP only after four Republican Representatives or Senators publically state that Joe is irrelevant.


  131. republicanSScareme says:

    I always suspected that, underneath of it all, Joe the Plumber was a ten dollar thug. Yup, another brain-dead, mean Republican.

    She took your money, retard? That happened under the Bush Administration. Or his your memory so short you can’t find the restroom?


  132. neoconsrscum says:

    I am afraid it’s only a matter of time before these idiots attack someone. They scare me, and I don’t scares so easily. It’ll be some jerkoff trying to impress someone, or some lost soul lissinin-a Herr Beck.


  133. zblossom says:

    Back in my day, I would leave a steaming pile of dog #### on this guys doorstep. Now, I’m not saying someone who can do this should do this; I’m just saying…


  134. Sharkie says:

    He makes it a regular habit to beat up women? no wonder this pussy has to keep hyping his man cred. In my book, it makes you less of man when your first reaction to conflict is to resort to violence. It proves your a coward, dullard, and a fool.


  135. TRIATHLON says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  136. dbadass says:

    Whatever but credit offered for taking the time to keyboard a whole bunch of shit no one gives a shit about….


  137. Ape-Man says:

    Will there always be brutal and stupid people to fcuk the rest of us up? Can we overcome this scourage?


  138. Ape-Man says:

    That’s not a rhetorical question.

    And can we get rid of the Republicans as the opposition? Ever? please!


  139. Craig Mack says:

    His 15 minutes, along with Palin’s, will never end unless people let them die. Just sayin….


  140. dbadass says:

    But they are both so freakin hilarious….


  141. i aint you says:

    Craig Mack says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    His 15 minutes, along with Palin’s, will never end unless people let them die. Just sayin….

    could you makin a threat?? my dear boy because it sounds a lot like to me, you seem to be nothing of the man Joe is. in fact Pain is more of a man then you. at least she knows what a hard days work means you would not last 5 minutes in thier world


  142. katy says:

    sarah mcQUITTER… hard work… riiight…

    some great clips of caribou barbi talkin’ all big and strong
    and leader-like during some guest shots of the SNL election special last night, rebroadcast from last fall…

    yeah… talk about ‘fall’…

    seeing that just accentuated her epic failure…
    such a misguided waste…


  143. viridian says:

    The homophobic comments by people who clearly consider themselves progressive is repugnant, such as:

    Buckie Boy says:

    Joe the Moron says – I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me (Bush, Cheney, Rice) and manipulates me (Fox News, Republican politicians) and takes my money and puts my children in debt (again, Bush, Cheney, Rummie and the rest).

    Joe just likes it in the behind, as long as it is Republicans doing the ramming.

    Great way to equate anal sex with violence, or some injury to someone’s manhood, and thus use it as a very thinly veiled threat.

    Revolting. THIS is what we have to consider as progressive thinkers, really?


  144. EugeneDebs says:

    i aint you says:

    WOW. Your stupid is just pathetic. That was obviously meant metaphorically. I mean I get you are stupid but how can LETTING someone do something possibly be a threat. He means let their notariety die.

    So a liar who wishes he were a plumber is a real man according to you? You must be so pathetic even small children pity you. Of course it is obvious you are so stupid that anyone who ever met you WOULD pity you. You say Sarah Palin is a man? So you have gender confusion issues too. Really if all you came by here for was to showcase just how stupid and pathetic you are that is done so you can STFU now and let the adults talk we are all now aware of how stupid you are


  145. Virtual Pebble says:

    54. okie dokie sez:…

    No, he knows he be plumber. He plumb simple, he plumb stupid, he got plumb big mouth and plumb big feets. Has many plumbs, must be plumber than thee and me.


  146. Virtual Pebble says:

    70. watchdoggie sez:…

    Damnitol, dawg poop, this is the third thread today where I’ve had to tell you to get back to the kennel. Are you just plumb stupid too?

    I’m pleased to know that you think that all who dissent from being even a skosh civilized look up to Joe the Woman Beater.


  147. i aint you says:

    EugeneDebs — you mean to say that Craig can’t defend his own words he has to hid behind a girl?? Just saying….


  148. Max Anax junius -1 says:

    .

    For a man who, “… doesn’t advocate violence,” he sure seems to keep hinting at that woodshed and things being done behind it that are tantamount to violence.

    Nothing says, “I’m against violence” like advocating FOR it…
    … YES?

    .


  149. Virtual Pebble says:

    89. watchdork sez:…

    I don’t know whether you’ve noticed it or not, watchie, but Joe isn’t being paid by progressives to do anything. He’s being paid by “conservative” or “Republican” outfits to appear at “conservative” and “Republican” forums.

    Now I know that you think that your side of the house really is conservative and/or Republican, but your vision and that of the others who call themselves conservative or Republican is not worthy of either title. With people like Joe, you’ve stooped to dragging your own flag in the dirt.


  150. Outlaw284 says:

    katy
    Are you talking about the same Sarah that stopped the bridge to nowhere, or are you talking about the Sarah that sold the state plane because she said it wasn’t needed and saved the tax payer the money of fuel, repairs, and maintenance, or are you talking about the Sarah that the media has climb so far up her a** that they could tell you what she ate that morning.
    Now tell me if you had the media all over you like that would you stay in office.
    Although I like how they are keeping her in the news. It is fun to watch the libs have a cow over her.


  151. Outlaw284 says:

    Virtual Pebble
    I must admit you have shown that you have no idea what a conservative really believes.


  152. EugeneDebs says:

    i aint you says:

    Hey MORON this isnt about Craig. The speaker of the HOUSE doesnt need an excuse to make a statement on ANY issue. This thread is about the weak ignorant weasel of a wannabe plumber. They guy couldnt even make it all the way to REAL plumber and he is such a big man he threatens to beat up an old woman.


  153. EugeneDebs says:

    Outlaw284 says:

    Yeah we are talking about the ignorant excuse for a quitter who didnt stop any bridge the bridge was a dead issue she had nothing to do with stopping but she DID take the money. The lying stupid woman who couldnt pass my 8th grade civics class and thought our founding fathers were just fine with the Pledge of alliegience


  154. Virtual Pebble says:

    155. outlaw284 sez:…

    You got that right, outlaw, and with reprsentatives like Joe and Sarahcuda and Rick Scott and GlennBeck and Putz Limpdiddler, I do NOT need to know more of what your version of a conservative believes.

    I’ve already had several earsful, starting with idiots like the Sainted Ronnie, but my exposure to “conservatism” dates back a couple of decades before his assumption to the Oval Office, so please, refrain from trying to tell me more.


  155. Outlaw284 says:

    Virtual Pebble
    Well since there are very few Republicans in the House and Senate that are actual conservatives if you are making that your standard as to what a conservative is then you really don’t know. But then I guess that wouldn’t be true because you Libs don’t stereotype people only the Republicans do right.


  156. Outlaw284 says:

    EugeneDebs
    So you are telling me that Palin took the $223 million the government wanted to spend on that bridge.


  157. i aint you says:

    You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em

    please tell me where he siad he was going beat that piece of polsi up. because i don’t see “its” name in there at all,

    my ancestors lived in this land before Columbus landed here how dare “it” call me un-american,

    “Its” real name should be Benedict Arnald along with “berry the holy” your meshia


  158. EugeneDebs says:

    Outlaw284 says:

    Yes that is EXACTLY what I am telling you. What you didnt KNOW that?


  159. Outlaw284 says:

    EugeneDebs

    Well I knew she didn’t give the $25 million back which is what the government gave the state. With the condition that if Alaska didn’t use it then it would have to give it back.
    Please that was to easy. Sorry dud but I just proved you to be the LIEING moron that you keep telling me that I am.
    Sorry You made that to easy. Next time why don’t you get your facts straight before you run your mouth.

    The Alaskan state officials say the $25 million would have had to be returned to the federal government, if it wasn’t used.
    But keep spreading those lies I am sure the rest of your friends don’t know the difference.


  160. EugeneDebs says:

    i aint you says:

    Your stupidity is just wondrous to behold.

    For Pelosi to write about us bein’ un-American and disprespectful — I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful towards them? Please! You know, I’m not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.

    You dont see it? You are stupid AND you cant read as well as your average third grader. You are not only un-American you are so brainwashed it is pathetic. Since you KNOW you are stupid you let Rush do your thinking for you. You are so stupid you think it is clever to call President Obama Barry. You are an ignorant piece of dogshit and that on your best day. Look you are stupid. You are always going to BE stupid. The only people talking about Obama being a messiah are morons like YOU who were told to think that by the screechmonkeys who do your thinking for you. Progressives are criticizing him all the time. My GOD you are so ignorant it blows my mind. I sweep things out my door smarter than you will ever be


  161. Outlaw284 says:

    EugeneDebs

    That reminds me of Bill Engvall and his bit about a DORK FISH.
    EugeneDebs says “I’m a Dork Fish and he caught me with a corndog”
    Thanks for the laugh though.


  162. tombaker says:

    Hey outlaw,

    you think about my offer to take that quad off your hands,

    before you have to report to the camp?


  163. tombaker says:

    Um, outlaw,

    Do you like fish sticks?


  164. Reggie says:

    Outlaw284 says:
    I hope you will be more careful this morning and not repeat that embarrassing mistake you made yesterday when you tried to engage a spam-bot in conversation.

    I hear talk that your bone-head blunder is going to get you into the Think Progress Troll Hall Of Shame.


  165. EugeneDebs says:

    Outlaw284 says:

    You know what amazes me? You actually get stupider and stupider and you started out stupider than most retarded monkeys. You PROVED something by making a baseless assertion that only shows one more time that you NEVER know what you are talking about. Well yeah you proved that you are staggeringly stupid

    http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901
    In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska’s Congressional delegation during her run for governor.

    The bridge, a span from the city to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people, secured a $223 million earmark in 2005. The pricey designation raised a furor and critics, including McCain, used the bridge as an example of wasteful federal spending on politicians’ pet projects.

    National fury over the bridge caused Congress to remove the earmark designation, but Alaska was still granted an equivalent amount of transportation money to be used at its own discretion.

    Last year, Palin announced she was stopping state work on the controversial project, earning her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer.

    said Weinstein and Elerding.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/politifact_mccain_exaggerates.html

    When Palin says “I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that bridge to nowhere,” it implies Congress said, “Here’s a check for that bridge” and she responded, “No thanks, that’s wasteful spending; here’s your money back.”

    That’s not what happened. Fact is, Alaska took the bridge money, and then just spent it on other projects.

    So do you just spew out any stupid thing the rightwing screechmonkeys tell you to think? Do you EVER have any dim idea what you are talking about? Are you REALLY this stupid and uninformed?


  166. i aint you says:

    EugeneDebs says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    i aint you says:

    Your stupidity is just wondrous to behold.

    For Pelosi to write about us bein’ un-American and disprespectful — I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful towards them? Please! You know, I’m not the most civilized person: .

    nope sorry- i just don’t see where he said he would beat polsi up– i see where he speaks of “its” kind, and he respects nobody. But i just don’t see where he says he wants to beat the tar out of “it”

    Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em, just don’t see “its” name


  167. Reggie says:

    i aint you says:

    I don’t think the adults here care what a bunch of dim witted trolls have to say.
    Tell Eric Odom that we are pi$$ed about the poor quality of trolls his stalker/hate blog sends to Think Progress and we believe we deserve better.
    /


  168. EugeneDebs says:

    Outlaw284 says:

    What are you lauging about you being so STUPID? I was right you are just a brainwashed moron who was wrong AGAIN


  169. EugeneDebs says:

    i aint you says:

    You dont see it huh? Adult education. Look into it. He was talking about Pelosi and said he usually took those kind of people behind the woodshed and just beat the livin’ tar out of ‘em.
    …Sorry I cant dumb it down for you any further. Find a reasonably bright six year old to explain it to you


  170. EugeneDebs says:

    I did overstate the issue saying she had NOTHING to do with stopping the bridge. It WAS a dead issue and political poison but she DID make the final decision to stop the bridge but she STILL TOOK THE MONEY YOU MORON.


  171. EugeneDebs says:

    Did you run away now that you got spanked AGAIN little Outgunned?


  172. EugeneDebs says:

    OOPS I somehow dropped this part of the last paragraph from the Reuters article

    The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.


  173. The Shadow says:

    First of all “Joe the Dumbazz”, you need to pull your pants up to hide that crack. No, not that crack, the crack you’ve been smoking. Beside Nancy was right about you and the other idiots who go around shooting off you mouths without any brains to think first and speak later. That’s why Megan McCain dubed you a “Dumbazz”. So don’t get it twisted Joe, she’s right you are a Dumbazz. Only a moron like you would claim to care about your rights on one hand and then openly threaten to attack a women physically on the other. I’m sure you think you are big and bad, but I could kick the livin
    Sh-t out of you if I got a chance. So come on tough guy take me up on my challenge. You are less than dirt and that’s exactly where I’ll put you after I knock your stupid block off, if you ever threaten to beat another women.


  174. Coggs says:

    I’m politically agnostic on this subject, TOTALLY !!
    What’s wrong with a guy whos sick and tired of being used,(and he has been) LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE BEEN FOR SO VERY LONG, saying what’s on his mind and getting pissed at the government for using him and us. Holy cow !! HE has what a lot of the citizenry of the USA dosent have. The nerve to get up and speak his piece. Go man GO !!! Why don’t more of you do what Joe is doing ? Change requires action. Action requires movement. Change is inevitable. NOBODY said it was gunna be easy. I’d have to say, I hope his REAL 15 minuets has’nt yet begun.
    For you youngsters out there, Using a size twelve up long your back sides can ALSO be a play on words. It would be considered disapline which, alot of todays kids could use alot more of. I’m talking about respect for your self AND other people. That is something that is sadly lacking in society today. Now, I’ve had MY 15 minuets. Thanks for reading MY rant. Coggs


  175. goober says:

    Why the double standard? People seem shocked by this yet, if the violence is agains t the people or our rights are violated, by them, it’s ok?

    WAKE UP!!

    There was Civil War for a reason.


  176. EugeneDebs says:

    Coggs says:

    The last time someone tried to put a size 12 up my backside I sent him to the hospital. He can be as much of a jerk as he wants. He can threaten to beat up old women if that makes him feel a bit LESS like the punk he obviously is. Then WE get to tell HIM what we think about it. See that is how free speech works. No one has a right to say something then have others demand no one critisize him for it. The guy is a LOSER. He couldnt even become a plumber and he is soooo tough he is going to beat up an old woman. Yeah.


  177. EugeneDebs says:

    goober says:

    Your strawman was so stupid I will just let it hang there allowing the stench of it waft through the air like bad cheese.


  178. Bodysnatcher says:

    Heck I would Hold her for him.


  179. Happy Hussein says:

    Joe has reproduced? Now that’s scary.


  180. EugeneDebs says:

    Bodysnatcher says:

    Then you are a punk too. A dispicable piece of filth. Why werent you holding your momma last night she sure did move around a lot.


  181. Alejandro says:

    http://deceiver.com/2009/08/14/nancy-pelosi-doesnt-like-disruptors-except-when-she-does/

    Nancy Pelosi Doesn’t Like Disruptors, Except When She Does

    Then: “I’m a fan of disruptors. Nothing could be more American.”
    Now: “Disruptors are simply un-American.”

    Then: “I understand your anger.”
    Now: “I can’t stand your anger.”

    Then: “Shout it out.”
    Now: “Shut it up.”


  182. Uncle Ho says:

    And I would flop “Joe the idiot” lower than whale shit.


  183. Uncle Fester Lurks says:

    Say it ain’t so Joe…Are you telling us that you have no respect for George Bush, Dick Cheney and the FOX entertainment channel for all of the lies they’ve told you over the past 8 years?


  184. Uncle Fester Lurks says:

    I didn’t know that in the good old days Men could legally physically abuse women. Joe seems to have a problem with opinionated women. I hope his wife is a mute.


  185. Uncle Fester Lurks says:

    Wow, listen to the idiot troll bodysnatcher, condoning the beating of women. Such macho, tough guys these right wing losers are.


  186. bsober says:

    How about a debate between Joe T. Plumber and Nancy Pelosi! Good luck with that you flippin mental midget. Never understood the verbal machoism of the far right but I’ve certainly shut up a few of you Jethro’s in the last few years. Come into my neighborhood and act tough sometime Samuel! PLEASE DO!


  187. lvdragonlady says:

    Well well, Joe’s true colors are showing now. Yea Joe, does beating on women make you a man? Nope, nothing can do that!!!


  188. Virtual Pebble says:

    159. outlaw284 sez:…

    Outlaw, are you saying “conservatives” and “Republicans” are NOT the same thing? Well, that’s OK with me, because I didn’t say they were. In fact, Outlaw, I not only know there’s a difference between “conservative” and “Republican”, I know what the difference is between conservative and Conservative and the difference between republican and Republican, and I’m not talking about the trival difference of the font case of first letter.

    Let me put it to you differently, Outlaw. You’ve said on other threads that you’re about 40. Well, let me get my slide rule and my 100 key mechanical register adding machine out…

    (slither slither slither slide)

    (punch punch crank)
    (punch punch crank)

    According to my calculations, Outlaw, I was a conservative and a Republican before you were in grade school. In fact, if I take you at your word, I was a conservative and a Republican before you were born.

    You ever hear of Goldwater Republicans, outlaw? I was one of those; didn’t do Barry Goldwater any good, though, because my age kept me from registering to vote until two months after the ‘64 Presidential election. Several of my friends and I managed to annoy a lot of people who weren’t interested in supporting Goldwater, though.

    Over a few years after that I went from being a conservative Republican to being a conservative libertarian. The last nail in my being a Republican was Richard Nixon’s policy in Vietnam; the lying suck’s “secret plan” turned out to be “get as many of our people killed as possible, kill more of the other side’s people than we already have, then wander off”. That’s not a secret plan; that’s just continuing to deal death.

    Anyway, outlaw, to paraphrase the Sainted Ronnie, I didn’t leave the Republicans, the Republicans left me. Looks to me like they’re on a very different path than most people; one of those downhill corkscrews that the aviation community calls “augering in”.

    But to sum up, my particular views, after many years of being both inside and outside politics, align better with the progressive and liberal community than with whatever it is you think you represent. I don’t see much conscience on the conservative side, I don’t see much committment to the values necessary to hold the Republic safe and in good order, and I don’t see the respect for people in general that is needed to do the business of any republic in a democratic fashion.


  189. Loonie says:

    If you can’t make your point with fact, perhaps you don’t have a valid point.


  190. eyesopen says:

    “I’ll tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt.” -Joe the Plumber

    So tell me Joe, can I take that as your repudiation of the Republican Party?


  191. Virtual Pebble says:

    194. eyesopen sez:…

    sheee-yit, eyesopen, that’s not Joe’s repudiation of the Republican Party, that’s his stamp of approval; they’re a pack of self-contradictory idiots, fear and hate mongering manipulators, money grubbing insurance company shills and pimps, shoppers and dealers on the child labor market, with chickenhawk yellowstripe thug-wannabee spokesmen like Joe his se’f. With no selfrespect or respect for others.


  192. jbl55 says:

    Well, here’s the problem right here. Joe says:

    I’m not telling people to go out and [commit violence] and I don’t advocate that if we can make our point through facts.

    But they can’t make their point through facts. So they have to resort to violence. They have no choice, poor babies.

    Reality has such a liberal bias.


  193. PSzymeczek says:

    His “size twelves” do just as good a job as teachers when it comes to making sure his children are educated?

    Some people shouldn’t spawn.


  194. doghunter25id says:

    Joe the Plummer, who isn’t even a plummer…LOL!!!!!

    He’s not a “REAL” plummer, but he is a self-admitted WOMEN BEATER!!!!!


  195. doghunter25id says:

    Self admitted WOMEN BEATER, or your typical “family Valves REPUBLISCUM Womenizer…..Which is worst, the Women Abuser, or the LIAR?


  196. ohioboy says:

    I’ll bet that last quote was more like “talked treasonous ’bout ‘merica”.

    I’ll bet if he graduated from high school that institution is quite embarrassed and/or hoping that it is not named in any story about him. They could lose their accreditations.


  197. i aint you says:

    PSzymeczek says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    His “size twelves” do just as good a job as teachers when it comes to making sure his children are educated?

    Some people shouldn’t spawn

    What he is saying that his 12 boot is smarter than most teachers are thesse days.– they only teach what the gov wants the kids to learn


  198. pjkool says:

    Now let’s get this straight….threatening violence against the speaker of the house is patriotic, showing up at a presidential town hall meeting with a loaded assault weapon is patriotic, screaming heil Hitler at a Jewish man who is in favor of health care reform is now patriotic but if two persons of the same sex want to get married or someone says the are against the Iraq war they are un-American.


  199. WDRussell says:

    Does anybody stop to think that Joe the Leach hasn’t had a real job since he hit the national stage.


  200. Henk says:

    Well at least for once he’s being honest.

    When he’s done with Nancy maybe he’ll step it up a notch and teach Helen Thomas a thing or two, brave man that he is.


  201. chelle523 says:

    Hmmm…so back in the day, anyone that talked smack about the military would’ve been shot? But isn’t the military fighting for our freedom, part of which is our freedom of speech?



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