Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.
Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.
Last night, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll showing that “all the misinformation out there” about health care reform proposals in Congress is taking root with many Americans. For instance, 45 percent believe the false claim that legislation includes “death panels” while 55 percent believe the false claim that coverage will be extended to illegal immigrants. MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed:
Here’s another way to look at the misinformation: In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly. But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma. What’s more, a good chunk of folks who get their news from broadcast TV (NBC, ABC, CBS) believe these things, too. This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself. These numbers should worry Democratic operatives, as well as the news media that have been covering this story.
As ThinkProgress has pointed out, Fox News regularly distorts the truth about health care reform. Last week, Media Matters found that over a two day period opponents of health care reform outnumbered supporters by a 6-to-1 margin on Fox.
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This is probably the most immoral statement I have heard during this entire health care debate came from the Fox News Network. Sean Hannity would rather see 15 million people suffer and die than see health care reform pushed through.
You have to see this to believe it.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2608
August 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pmFox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.
I’m shocked, I tell ya. Shocked!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pmKey word here: Overwhelmingly.
They are all insane. Clinically. Certifiably. Proof positive that the strongest influences on human behavior are 1) peer pressure and 2) denial.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pmbush`s school policy No child left behind>>>>> fox` policy no educated aloud.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pmHere they come to tell that we are the ones that are un-informed.
Believe one of them will do this. They actually believe there are multiple sets of facts.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pmI asked an acquaintance why she watched Fox. She actually said, “It’s easy to watch. They tell you what everything means, so you don’t have to think too much.”
This is what we’re dealing with, folks.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmSeriously, why is this woman still on the air.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908190011
August 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmI am shocked, just totally shocked! Are you telling me that people who watch and believe everything they view on Fixed News causes them to come up with talking points that have absolutely nothing to do with the truth. Sean Hannity and all these poster boys for the right-wing republicans are scamming the very same people who vote for failures like George W. Bush Jr., and still believe there is some kind of connection between Saddam Hussein and 9-11. It’s one thing to be just plain stupid, but quite another thing to be willfully ignorant and then vote against your own interests, while supporting a GOP party that couldn’t care less about anybody who isn’t a multi-millionare or part of Corporate America. Just incredibly stupid, ill-informed viewers and voters.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pmAnother topic, different year, same story:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/daily-show-fox-knowledge/
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pmFox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.
– - Ignorance is usually bliss, but in this case…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pmSuper , this will provide political cover for the democrats who have a super majority in congress and who should be able to pass single payer without a single republican vote …. right ?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pmRemember it’s the republicans .
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GE/NBC = Chubb, Novartis, Proctor & Gamble, Merck
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3845
Q U E S T I O N:
Who thought GE/NBC would represent anything BUT their interests?
The truth?
You don’t need no stinkin’ truth.
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August 19th, 2009 at 1:10 pmLittle Seanie Vanity is a misguided, ill-informed, shallow, pathetic, selfish, self-righteous gasbag. The only thing he is interested in is dishing out his own particular brand of pablum to the brain-dead idiots who look to him in order to affirm their own distorted view of reality.
Seanie and FoxSnooze are similarly motivated. The truth is irrelevant. Constructive national debate about healthcare and insurance reform is irrelevant. It’s all about keeping the ears and the eyeballs tuned in.
Here’s a great example of Little Seanie’s hypocrisy. He railed against the orderly bankruptcy of General Motors and the government’s “takeover”. He calls GM “Government Motors”. And, yet, GM is a sponor of his right-wing radio rant-fest and he frequently gives personal endorsements. If he had one ounce of principle (or believed anything that he himself says), he would turn down GM’s advertising dollars.
Most of this country is keenly aware that FoxSnooze, Little Seanie, Limpballs, et. al., are in the info-tainment business. And their “info” isn’t news or even truthful. It is merely a fabricated, manufactured pretense for them to opinion-monger in their small but noisy echo chamber of like-minded dimwits.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:10 pmFox News Channel. Since they got a court to agree they weren’t portraying news their name constitutes false advertising. It is way past time to sue them over it.
They won the right to be an Opinion channel. Time for public disclaimers.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pmQ; Is there ANYTHING that Faux Snooze doesn’t distort or outright lie about?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
HOW MANY TIMES HAS GE/NBC MENTIONED SINGLE PAYER?
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August 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pmFauxSnooze viewers “overwhelmingly misinformed”.
How very … underwhelming.
Nationalize Rupert Murdoch’s US holdings, revoke his passport and/or his citizenship, boot his sorry butt out of the country, and sell the nationalized properties to distinctly different parties. No package deals, no conglomeration, etc.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:13 pmI am guessing that most of the FOX viewers are like my wingnut co-workers who I talk to everyday (and debunk quickly and easily) in that one of the reasons that they believe the lies that they are told is because they want so badly for the lies to be true.
Recently I debunked a wingnut co-worker’s Betsy McGaughey-related healthcare lie and his response was “Really?! I was hoping it was true! Oh well.” And the very next day he was on to spewing the next Rush-endorsed right wing lie.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:14 pmWell now, how could that possibly have happened?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmFox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed
You could’ve just stopped right there…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
With Roger Ailes and his minions continuing to feed disinformation to their low IQ viewers, let’s blame Fox News for the problem.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm“Fox News Viewers overwhelmingly misinformed on” EVERYTHING!!!! Not just Health Care.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pmI’ll say it again, Fox News is like professional wrestling. The people who believe it is real are not too bright. Unfortunately the average IQ is 100 and that’s not very bright and there’s a whole lot of folks under that. That’s why allowing a propaganda tool like Fox Pravda to misrepresent itself as news is a danger to our society.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pmFOX NEWS: NEWS FOR NASCAR AND WRESTLING IDIOTS WORLDWIDE
August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pmThis reminds me, and it PO’s me that no one supporting the Public Option ever comes back with this rejoinder when people like Hannity or Ron Paul say “We can’t have Medicaid For All because Medicaid is broke”:
Medicaid is not broke, but if it were it’s broke because Medicaid is already covering the sickest with pre-existing conditions and the most elderly and disabled in this country that the for profit insurance WON’T cover.
C’mon pundits, get with it!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pmThe first question you should ask any person you debate on any issue is, “Do you watch fox to get your information?”. If affirmative, then you’ll be aware of likely nonsensical reasoning. It’s gotten pretty easy to tell without question, though. You might as well argue with furniture.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pmfreeman says:
With the democrats in complete control of the executive and legislative branches of government lets blame FOX news for the problem .
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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How are the President or Congress responsible for the ignorance of Fox viewers, exactly?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pmFoxNews viewers are the most ill-informed, stupidest people that I know.
They are all seething with anger, and they are furious that a non-white is the President.
So many of them are evangelicals, and their churches are identical to FoxNews in virtually all issues.
It is really creepy.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pmWell it’s a blueprint that has worked for 8 years. Fox doesn’t have qualified educated Journalist but they hire drunks, druggies and perverts. What respected Journalist would work with a Station has is totally corrupt. The KKK worked hard to get control of a News Station and many Executives from other major Stations were paid well to lie. Chris Matthews got his break on National TV by attacking Bill Clinton 24/7. Andrea Mitchell and David Gregory were well paid to cooperation with the White House plan for the illegal invasion of Iraq. We know the others at the New York Times and Washington Post as these guys looked at Bush and Cheney, like woman look at Orlando Bloom. Sarah only needs to pull her short skirt up a little and she has the GOP attention, while Pat Buchanan soils himself.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pmfreeman, this is America, and if you want to get drunk and run your car into a ditch, that’s your prerogative, and if you want to watch foxnews and not know anything, that is too.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pmSince FauxSnooze does this routinely, I figured I’d take a crack at misinforming the FauxSnooze audience…
On page 375, roughly, there is a clause that says colored folks will have to address their insurers and health care practitioners with the phrases yassah,massah, and yessum, missee.
Around page 2,129 there is a clause that says that the only abortions that will be covered will be post menapausal.
Somewhere near chapter 5 there’s a clause that in order to get insurance or medical treatment, anyone with brownish skin will have to show their long form birth certificate, endorsed by the mayor of the largest city within seventy miles of their place of birth.
Now, will you idiots vote for Health Care Reform?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm“We Report – You are Furniture”
August 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pmProves the old adage that the less one knows the more sure they are of it
August 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm“Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.”
Well, DUH!!!
They are misinformed about everything, not just health care.
Ignorance is a hard thing to overcome when you enjoy being ignorant.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThis does not come as any surprise. The majority of Fox viewers are a rather gullible lot.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm.
Sorry people,
GE/NBC IS IN COHOOTS WITH CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS, TOO!
WHY CAN’T WE TALK ABOUT THEIR CONFLICT OF INTERESTS…
… WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THAT OF FOXPRAVDA’S?
Maybe it’s because I no longer trust corporate driven media outlets. The only thing they are good for is getting THEIR word out. If a subject is an obvious conflict of interest for them, they will NOT run with it, no matter the relivancy to Americans. Witness, Health Care in America. GE/NBC rarely mentions single payer. NBC regularly hosts blowhards FOR Corporate enterprises that include Big Pharma.
Of course a dog is gonna tell you cat tastes good.
Q U E S T I O N:
WHEN WILL CORPORATE DIRIVEN MEDIA CONDUCT A NON-PARTISAN POLL?
Funny how FOXPRAVDA can conduct one poll and get weighted results in their favor and NBC can conduct a similar poll and get totally opposite results.
Stewart slams misleading cable news instant polls
August 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pmhttp://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/18/stewart-slams-biased-cable-news-instant-polls/
This reminds me, and it PO’s me that no one supporting the Public Option ever comes back with this rejoinder when people like Hannity or Ron Paul say “We can’t have Medicare For All because Medicare is broke”:
Medicare is not broke, but if it were it’s broke because Medicare is already covering the sickest with pre-existing conditions and the most elderly and disabled in this country that the for profit insurance WON’T cover.
There, I fixed it; Medicare is what I meant to write, but Medicaid applies as well.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:22 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Folks I need your help. If we are going to get a government option we must turn the tide. Instead of complaining about those dirty tricks the conservatives are playing we must go on the offensive. How you ask? My idea is to use scare tatics just like they do. See My Answer To Sarah Palin on facebook and get the word out. flood the internet with insurance companies rejections, turning down common proceedures as experimental, post every law suite you can find they yhey lost. Print their ceo and upper management salaries and bonuses and corp profits. Expose which hospitals they own. Go on the offensive the other side expects us to just sit back and cry. Lets let them know what they are standing for. The public wanted a government option before they started to scare them it won’t be as hard as it looks to scare them back to our side. Then once the ball is rolling our way (after Labor day and we must pound once twice a day till then) we start exposing the liars and the techniques like bring conservative forieners to host the Limbaugh radio show and tell horror stories. One more thing the government option is more like Blue Cross Blue Sheild than it is like medicare or medicade people just don’t understand the it is just a competitive plan to Cigna and United Health etc that will make them streemline their plans and actually pay for something. Please help start today
August 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pmblclem says:
You guys need to wake up.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll, dingaling. The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Fair and balanced, right!?
Ratings do not equal truth.
You’ve been sleeping for years…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm.
And there is a majority of FOXPRAVDA viewers that still think Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/Muslin/Fascist/Commie Pinko Black man….
… With only the Black man part being correct.
To expect anything different from that crowd is tantamount to “CRAZY” itself.
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August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pmRUCerious, they’ll see right through your ploy, I am afraid.
However, if Sarah Bailin’ Failin’ Palin were to charge that the reform bill banned short-sleeved patient gowns in hospitals and doctor’s offices, they would march on Washington and accuse lawmakers of interfering with their God-given right to “bare” arms.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pmblclem, just proved the poll’s point.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pmblclem says:
You keep telling yourself that, Clembo.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pmThese same folks will be complaining next year about how expensive grandma’s pills are. Fark ‘em.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pmAnd we should be surprised that Fixed “News” viewers are misinformed?? Isn’t that the purpose of what Krauthhamer described as the “alternate universe” that is Fixed News?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pmShorter: Fox Viewers are f^ck!ng dumb.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pmblclem, you mention as part of your argument that “Fox New is destroying their competition”.
This is a frequent theme from conservatives in stories about the media. I’m always curious, and have yet to get an answer to this question:
What is the significance of ratings success of conservative media outlets, to you? Does it represent the triumph of a conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm.
#41 blclem,
KKKeep workin’ that divide.
See, this ISN’T about what differentiates Liberals from Conservatives…
… If it were, your argument that “Libruls = BAD” would walk on water.
What I don’t get is why you think a portion of America doesn’t deserve honesty in their news?
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August 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm.
Anyone surprised that watchthepupppypee supports misinformation…
… AND quotes it?
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August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pmwatchdog says:
August 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
You have a lot of nerve calling anyone else “lard a$$.”
August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pmIf Fox News viewers only watch Fox News then how are they going to be better informed about healthcare and anything else if they continue to only watch Fox News?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pmYou just gots to love the right when they scream about a government takeover because someone in government thinks it is unfair that American citizens are denied health care.
None of them even whimpered when the Patriot Act got passed. Not a peep over the creation of a massive and extraneous intelligence agency given what amounted to dictatorial powers while costing billions of dollars.
Take care of American health? Socialists!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pmblclem says:
Fox New is destroying their competition(CNN & MSNBC)and a honest poll is supposedly done.
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Same nonsense as always.
Why do righties pretend that “cable news” is such a special, different medium that free television?
It’s ALL television. And if you look at the combined numbers for free and cable, and who’s ratings rank where, Fox’s audience is actually a tiny percentage of the whole.
Why do righties need to make such a big deal of something so insignificant?
Ooops… prolly answered my own question there.
And when you take into account that Fix deliberately positions itself as THE alternative to ALL other sources, “all other sources” are kicking Fox’s Cheney like a gong.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmblclem says:
If you want to learn some facts of life son, hang around.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmIf you wish to remain willfully ignorant, go back to watching Faux Snooze instead of posting here.
watchdog says:
So Democrats are not trying to push single payer health care system that will lead to government takeover of our health-care system? I have evidence below that proves otherwise.
Obama Video: I’d Like to See a ‘Single Payer Health Care Plan’
ObamaVideo: In His Own Words Saying Single-Payer Health Care Will Eliminate Private Insurance
August 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
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Sweet!
Now if there were only some way of getting THAT Obama elected President. I just hope he has a valid birth certificate…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hoodathunk says:
None of them even whimpered when the Patriot Act got passed. Not a peep over the creation of a massive and extraneous intelligence agency given what amounted to dictatorial powers while costing billions of dollars.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
But but but, they felt so SAFE!!! Didn’t they deserve that one special night when they didn’t wet the bed?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pmralph the wonder llama says:
What is the significance of ratings success of conservative media outlets, to you? Does it represent the triumph of a conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
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I’ve noticed the righties are TERRIFIED of that question, ralphie. I’ve seen you post it at least 8 or 10 times now and they refuse to give an answer.
bclem’ll proly run off and hide too.
What say you, bclem? Got a cogent answer, or are you a coward?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pmFoxNews – We distort; you comply.
I read that several years ago, and I think it should be repeated often.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover
79% of them have no idea how *powerful* private insurance and pharmaceutical companies really are.
This country was bought and sold by lobbyists decades before you were born. If I could go back in time and meet the founding fathers, I would make sure they included an amendment about shooting all the lobbyists.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pmaaronk says:
I’m not defending Fox News, but can any of you tell me honestly that with the public option, abortions would not be covered with taxpayer money?
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All matters how the law is written…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pmaaronk, are you against, or in favor of post menapausal abortions?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pmaaronk,
Hyde Amendment
Or do you actually think all laws expire at midnight?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pmfunny stuff RUCerious
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pmFixed News and their alternate reality. They can’t handle the truth. We should eliminate private healthcare for profit. We should have single payer fore everyone including wingnuts. They would learn to like it.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pmIt should be illegal in a democracy to spout spurious “facts.”
A pattern of (intentional) falsehoods should mean JAIL-TIME…
All the networks would shake (although Fox more t/ most).
The news media is one place where capitalism and democracy don’t mix, requiring government regulation to avoid the worst excesses of infotainment.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pmblclem says:
1st:
“The New York Times and MSNBC are using an old political strategy that has been used by liberals for decades: If you can’t argue with the facts, destroy the deliverer.”
then:
“You’re telling me that the “poll”, paid for by MSNBC’s parent company and the New York Times, a very liberal paper, that is critical of a rival network is believable.”
Gee blclem, sounds like you are using that old liberal tactic yourself. Can’t argue the facts of the poll so destroy the deliverer. Nice projection with a circular logic twist idiot!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pmFox Opinion network viewers WANT to be uninformed because they are frozen to the far right and don’t want to be unthawed. They watch to feel supported, to be energized, and to collect simple quotes and sound bites in order to sound intelligent. Just ask them a simple question, to see how incapable of a thoughtful answer they are.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pmThey are afraid of the truth!
It is sort of cool that the party claiming government is the problem, government is bad, is whining and crying because they don’t control it like they used to.
Faux viewers, be very afraid of government! It is evil! That’s why we, your Republican masters want to control it so badly.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Nice try at deflecting the conversation, A K.
Frankly, I’d have no problem having abortion, as a legal medical procedure, covered by any public health insurance option if a doctor deemed it advisable.
The only reason to worry about that detail is because myopic single-issue voters might hesitate to support such a plan for that single detail alone. And let’s face it; the overlap between those who are so single-mindedly opposed to abortion and those who reflexively oppose any meaningful health reform as “socialism” is pretty huge. Almost one-to-one, I’d say.
So it’s not worth worrying about.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:44 pmI also believe that Congress & Senate could reverse Hyde fairly easily,
Congress can’t even decide whether they want Charmin or Cottonelle in their bathrooms right now.
Good thing the Republicans laid in a stock of Depends.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pmThe sole purpose for Faux Snooze and Limpbot et al is to “catapult the propoganda.” The powers that be spend huge amounts of money for their 24/7 echo chamber. Limpbot recently signed a 10 yr $400,000,000 contract.
Recent shouting points include Obama and Dems are in “dis-array”, and polls show Obama’s favorability ratings slipping, supposedly because “real Americans” are against government takeover etc etc……they falsely take credit for the polls falling to keep the wingnuts fired up.
The REAL reason Obamas numbers are down is because Dems are increasingly impatient with his fixation on bipartisonship, giving the appearance of caving to the teabaggers. Americans still overwhelmimgly want health care reform. Period.
Once the Dems finally move ahead with real reform, without the Repubs involved, as they now claim they are going to do, Obamas numbers will skyrocket.
The shouters are getting more desperate by the day as they realize they cant do anything to stem the tide towards reform. They refuse to believe they are a small minority.
Keep up the pressure, the will of the majority will prevail!
Cheers :)
August 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pmWell, sure, Hooda; when they were in control they could guarantee that government would turn everything it touched into a gigantic clusterfu(k.
Now that they’re out of power, there is a real danger that Democrats might make something work efficiently and actually serve the people. That wouldn’t be good for the Republicans, I think we can agree.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pmwatchdog says:
79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover
So Democrats are not trying to push single payer health care system that will lead to government takeover of our health-care system?
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Excuse me, but do you really think you’re making a cogent point here?
Just because 79% of Fox viewers are weak-minded enough to believe single payer “will lead to a government takeover”, it doesn’t make it true…
***eyes roll***
Really… to use such a specious conclusion as a basis to support your next contention, that Democrats are pushing single payer health care system that will lead to government takeover of our health-care system, is silly beyond words.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pmblclem?
No response?
darn.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pmaaronk, you truly believe that basic health care for all citizens should be held up because you are afraid that Congress may overturn a long standing law?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pmaaronk says:
Do you think Obama is not familiar with Hyde?
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having tried bringing GOOPers back in off that ledge, I’m sure Obama is also familiar w/ Jeckyll by now too… along w/ Heckle, and of course, Heckler and Koch…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pmDr. Hussein Matt says:
With the democrats in complete control of the executive and legislative branches of government lets blame FOX news for the problem
Anyone have a gibberish translator available for this one?
Please wait while I contact my man, Gabby Johnson in Rock Ridge. I hear he’s good with trollblather as well as genuine frontier gibberish.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pmralph the wonder llama says:
blclem?
No response?
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He’s changing into dry undergarments, ralphie.
He’ll be back shortly.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Isn’t it time the democrats started taking the heat ? FOX news is an abberation but then we already knew that . How is it that with a super majority and control of 2 branches of government the democrats never even considered single payer ?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm?
RWeSafer says:
It should be illegal in a democracy to spout spurious “facts.”
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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As verified by who?
I’d hate to be around when a young-earth creationist gets elected to high office and decides that evolution is a “spurious fact.”
August 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pmRUCerious says:
Please wait while I contact my man, Gabby Johnson in Rock Ridge. I hear he’s good with trollblather as well as genuine frontier gibberish.
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I said… the Sheriff’s a Ni**er!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pmaaronk says:
zooey, I am familiar with that amendment, but I believe Planned Parenthood receives federal funding right now.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
For family planning and birth control issues.
I’m guessing you have tunnel vision, and think PP only offers abortion services.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pmBut Ceriously, aaronk,,. I’m with Ralphie at #79 on this one.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pmShould be legal, when doctor and patient have made that difficult choice.
aaronk –
First of all, there is a difference between family planning and abortion. Planned Parenthood is funded for family planning. Do you have a problem with that? It reduces the number of abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancies, you know.
Secondly, are you suggesting that abortions should never be paid for by a “public option” under any circumstance? Are you familiar with the phrase “to preserve the life and health of the mother”? Are you suggesting that the government should intervene in the relationship between the patient and their physician in this one, particular, unique situation?
. . . or are you just a silly little troll?
Don’t bother answering. I think the truth is patently obvious.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pmI guess he is trying to say that they should pass a law making it illegal to lie on news programs. Of course, that would put Fox News out of business.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pmwatchdog says:
So progressives are not trying to push for a universal single payer health care system?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I am. And I hope we will achieve single-payer in a few years.
BOO!!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pmwatchdog says:
You have all these Progressive Democrats and the current president on Video stating they are huge proponents of the single payer option. And somehow you are surprised that the general public believe its in the bill? WHY?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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Because Fox and the other “news” networks do a shit-poor job of informing their viewers about what’s actually in the bill after months of capitulation to special interests.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pmaaronk says:
no, I don’t think that hooda. But I don’t think that claiming the abortion hang-up to be a “misconception” is fair either.
No, it is a distraction, a fabrication. Smoke and mirrors designed to feed fear.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pmwatchdog says:
So progressives are not trying to push for a universal single payer health care system?
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Are you deliberately avoiding what I pointed out, or just obtuse?
The issue isn’t “single payer”.
What I object to is your heavy-handed attempt to portray it as a “government takeover” of our healthcare system simply because 79% of Fox’s poorly informed viewers believe it to be so.
But hey… you’ve got an agenda…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pmTell me watchpuppy, which bill in congress is pushing a universal single payer health plan? Oh, thats right…NONE.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pmWhy do people keep refering to what they see on tv cable or broadcast as news?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pmThe people who read the scripts are paid by the broadcasters. Is this hard to figure out?
Script / Paid Employee = whatever the boss wants. Get it?
Why is so much time spent on this when everyone agrees there is no news in the mic/med/sludge media?
It’s really sad that you think this is a significant gain.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pmFox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.
…and about climate change, and how science works in general, and the occupation of Iraq, and the torture at Abu Ghraib, and the illegal detainment of prisoners in Guantanamo, and Pres Obama’s place of birth, and a very, stunningly long list of other things…
August 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pmFurther proof FOX is not news, it’s propaganda.
HEY IDIOTS — YOU’RE BEING LIED TO. REALLY.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pmFred says:
August 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
watchpoopy has been hijacked again. Check the link on it’s name. :D
Brace yourselves for hundreds of comments where the original watchpoop compares name-jacking to rape.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pmtake back:
I see the grand wizard of the KKK has showed up to spread a little hate and racism.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pmWow, the 20% deadender Bushbots will never get over the fact that everyone was watching Bush’s miserable failure after Katrina.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:05 pmI forgot to check it Zooey. He is highjacking himself and then whining I assume.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmFunny how all of the dittoheads think it is a great accomplishment that they all watch the same propaganda network.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmFox news has tripple the views of MSNBC and CNN
Haha, see what paying businesses to lock their TV onto your channel can do?
So everyone who visits Taco Bell automatically becomes a Faux viewer?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says that he is proud of his ignorance and wants to share his stoopidity with the world.
You go TBA! Don’t let your lack of brains stop you from speaking up!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:08 pmBecause they have a corner on the market for the 20% deadender right-wing zombies.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmWheres your proof fox pays businesses to lock their tvs?
Next time you stop for a burrito, ask them if they would consider changing the channel.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pm.
Pollster Behind Controversial Public Option Poll Has Long Ties To Insurance Industry
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/19/pollster-behind-controver_n_263057.html
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August 19th, 2009 at 2:10 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
TAKE BACK AMERICA says
August 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Fox news has tripple the views of MSNBC and CNN. Even that liberal jew john stewart was laughing about it last night on his show.
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1. Fox News has a lot of viewers because for conservatives looking for red meat, it’s the only game in town. The rest of us would rather get facts, which we get from a variety of sources.
2. There is no connection between accuracy and the number of viewers.
3. Jon Stewart’s religion has nothing to do with his show. If he was a Methodist, would you have said “liberal Methodist”?
4. It’s spelled “triple”, not “tripple”. For that matter, it’s “Jon Stewart”, not “john stewart”. If you want to be taken seriously, try to at least APPEAR educated.
5. Lots of Fox News viewers just means lots of ignorant, misinformed people. What’s your point?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Perhaps you can respond to the same question I posed to blclem earlier:
What do you see as the significance of ratings success for conservative outlets in the news business? Do you see it as a triumph of the conservative message in the free marketplace of ideas?
Thanks.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pmwatchpoop? You wanna take a crack at the question?
What do you see as the significance of ratings success for conservative outlets in the news business? Do you see it as a triumph of the conservative message in the free marketplace of ideas?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pmDoes anybody remember that in 2003, a majority of the American people believed that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11? I know that just about all the major media outlets were obediently shoveling that conflation to the American people, but I wonder how many of the believers were Fox News watchers?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pmMSM stopped doing analysis or fact checking decades ago, as well as requiring data on sources for the viewer to use when forming an opinion. The actual source for much of the misinformation is a wholly owned division of UnitedHealth Care.
One thing polling shows is that the least believed source is Congressional Republicans, followed by Congressional Democrats and finally President Obama. How ironic then that Congressional Republicans are the ones forming public opinion when they are the least trusted. It makes no sense. This puzzle has some missing pieces. Perhaps that could be provided by learning who is paying to have those polls conducted. The polling data itself is likely suspect.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pmIgnorant, misinformaed people seldom have a point. They are like water buffalo. A water buffalo doesn’t care that it isn’t smart. It just wants to be in a large herd, where it feels safe and comfortable.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA
August 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmwhen where how and by whom? I know you won’t/can’t answer but it still amuses me…
aaronk says:
I have no idea how they can truly receive federal funding, provide abortions, and then say that they didn’t use the federal funding for abortions.
aaronk, you do recognize that abortion is a legal medical procedure, right?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm#103 Watchdog you have to remember to watch.
Katrina Storm as thousands left to die by President Bush as Bush calls in Bill Clinton to help.
Health Care has been talked about since George H. W. Bush in his Jan. 29, 1991 State of the Union Address.
Good health care is every American’s right and every American’s responsibility. So we are proposing an aggression program of new prevention initiatives—for infants, for children, for adults, and for the elderly—to promote a healthier America and to help keep costs from spiraling.
Hillary Clinton brought to the attention the lost of billions in wasted money and the high cost of lives while Republicans dismissed the proof.
Now both Bush Senior and Clinton were correct in the facts as we see today. President Obama is trying to save lives but like the Titanic Americans are willing to sink rather then live. If George W. Bush had told Iraq they would have to pay back the 1 Trillion dollars we gave them we would have the money for Universal Health Care now.
Americans allowed the Bush Administration to put America in the position we’re in now because no one bothered to stand up and say NO. The 109th Republican Congress gave Bush/Cheney a blank check for years as Americans were to busy watching American Idol. Now as millions lose their jobs, homes and life savings the GOP says it’s President Obama’s fault and people believe what their told. Reading would help people understand the truth but Fox News Anchor Drunks/Druggies are spinning and lying to the public.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmAccording to Media Matters, during the first month of the public debate, FOX had 69 guests against health care reform, 11 who were neutral and 10 in favor of reform. Why should anyone be surprised that FOX viewers are misinformed? Remember, a significant majority of FOX viewers still believe Saddam Hussein was working with al Qaeda on 9-11. FOX viewers are demonstrably more ignorant on the issues than any other single viewing demographic in American television… and they love it, the self-loathing morons.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pmSince almost every talking point projected by Faux News has been proven false, debunked and shown to be a lie, what does that say about the people who still claim them to be true?
Are they the equivalent of flat earthers? The Earth is the center of the universe? Or does it prove that propaganda works and that any lie, repeated often enough, becomes acceptable as truth to those incapable of thinking?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:22 pmaaronk, I’m sure we all appreciate your passionate belief that pregnant women should be forced to give birth against their will if necessary, but this discussion is about how FOX viewers are the most confused, uninformed and ignorant of all television news viewers.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Even more impressive: They have convinced 54% of Americans that Medicare is NOT a government run program!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/19/769426/-39-of-Americans:Keep-Government-out-of-Medicare.
Medicare is a government program signed in to law by Democratic president Lyndon Johnson. By trying to convince people it isn’t a government run program, Republicans are admitting it is too popular and successful to attack to prevent making similar coverage available to ALL Americans.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThanks for that sober perspective, NinerFan. I admit that I knew what aaronk was trying to do and I still fell for it.
mea culpa.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pmThe discussion I am having is the hang-up
On multiple levels.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pm***
here’s a biased pollster.
:)
August 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pmI was forced to pay for your Iraq War, so go fu(k yourself.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pmaaronk says
August 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
The point that I would ask you to see is the concept that if you believe that the fetus is human being with the same rights to live as we have, you would certainly have a big moral concern with paying into a system which terminates that life.
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I know how you feel. I have a big moral concern with paying into a system that wages wars based on lies, resulting in thousands of American dead, and hundreds of thousands of dead, period.
However, with choice in the health insurance marketplace, I can choose a plan that covers abortion, or I can choose a plan that won’t pay for it. Whether we have a public option or not. Too bad I can’t say the same about my tax dollars going to fund no-bid contractors in Iraq, or other things I am against on moral grounds.
We all pay taxes for things we have issues with, many due to religious and/or moral beliefs. I have a problem with Bushco’s wars. The Quakers no doubt have a problem with our defense department completely. Orthodox Jews and Muslims probably have a problem with subsidies to the pork industry. You don’t want any of your tax dollars going to pay for somebody’s abortion, no matter how legal it is. My advice is to get over it.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pmInteresting. Did you support those who disagreed with the Iraq invasion who objected to their tax dollars being used for such a purpose?
Fact is, dude, in a republic like we have here, individuals don’t get to pick and choose what purposes to which we want our tax dollars applied.
Abortion is a legal medical procedure. Until you folks get your way and outlaw it, there is no justifiable reason for excluding its coverage from a public medical insurance plan.
But as NinerFan points out, this is a distraction from the thread.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:31 pmshoeless, it is not “my” Iraq war. I opposed it, but good job stereotyping me Mr.open-minded. There is a difference between tax dollars paying for abortion and paying for war. War falls under defense, which has constitutional authority. In the event that war is waged under false pretences (a case can certainly be made for Iraq), that constitutional authority has been abused, and I believe those responsible should be held accountable.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:36 pmralph, I did support those who objected to the war, because I can’t find constitutional justification for the Iraq war under my understanding of “defense”. I don’t think “promoting democracy” is a constitutional obligation of the taxpayers.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pmI just wish they’d cut the budget of those slackers at the Centers for Disease Control.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pmWhat’s new? People who watch FoKKKs “news” want to be kept stupid and scared.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmWith all due respect: bullshit.
War can easily be seen as a moral issue, just as those on the Right view abortion. In fact, the United States recognizes the moral objections to war when it bestows conscientious objector status on potential draftees.
Those who object to war on moral grounds have every bit as much authority as those who object to abortion.
War has constitutional authority, the right to abortion has the authority of the Supreme Court. You want to quibble which is more legitimate?
At its heart, your argument about people objecting to their tax dollars being used to pay for abortions is nothing more than a cry for the ability to pick and choose the purposes to which one’s tax dollars get applied, for whatever reason.
It doesn’t work that way.
Abortion is a legal medical procedure. We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pmAnd another thing… what’s with all this money being spent on those useless national parks. I don’t see anything in that there constitution thingie about no parks nor recreation…
August 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThat’s not what I asked.
I asked whether you supported their right to withhold tax payments because of that particular use.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm***
aaronk meet
pamela pilger.
***
or maybe aaronk is pamela pilger?
(their views are eerily similar)
:|
August 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pmHey aaronk, is the work of the CDC considered defense? If you think so, then why isn’t it under the control of the SecDef?
There is a difference between tax dollars paying for abortion and paying for war.
Not to dead Iraqi children. They’re still dead.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pmbarfly @ 149
August 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pmAbsolutely. Afterall don’t those jokers just spend all day juicing dead babies?
I don’t see anything in that there constitution thingie about no parks nor recreation…
I always pursue happiness with an assault rifle…
August 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pmYes, TRoS, the Sherrif is ‘near’!!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:49 pmaaronk sez:
The point that I would ask you to see is the concept that if you believe that the fetus is human being with the same rights to live as we have,
RUCerious sez:
Nope. Don’t see it that way.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm***
btw, pamela’s face book page.
stop by and say “heil hitler”
:)
August 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pmaaronk,
ClusterFox and their viewers are still ignorant, swamp-washed, animals. No matter how you try to change the topic.
Do you enjoy being intellectually stomped in public at this web site?
Over and over again?
Why?
Are you actually proud of yourself and your daily failures at being intelligent?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pmAnd while we’re at it, abolish the Nuclear Regulatory Agency, and the FDA. Let’em eat plutonium, if the voters don’t like it.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pmaaronk claims:
It’s one thing for it to be legal, another thing to force someone who doesn’t believe in it, to pay for it.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pmThen what about the poor goddamned Scientologists. They don’t believe in any medical science, yet they’re forced to pay for all of it! Unfair?
War falls under defense, which has constitutional authority
Abortion falls under Wade v Roe, which has constitutional authority.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmFOX LIES AND GRANDMA DIES
August 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pmWHY ARE REPUBLICANS AGAINST AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE & AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR INFANTS, CHILDREN, THE SICK, THE ELDERLY, THE DISABLED, THE AMERICAN FAMILY?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:03 pmaaronk: “shoeless, it is not “my” Iraq war. I opposed it…”
Yeah, sure you did.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pmdixie, I enjoy the conversation. I get ganged up on, but it is what I expect on a liberal blog. There are a few people on here who are respectful and offer me some good information.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:05 pmZooey says
August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I’m guessing you have tunnel vision, and think PP only offers abortion services.
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And the funny thing is — Planned Parenthood PREVENTS far more abortions than they perform, by helping people prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:05 pmWHAT WOULD JESUS CHRIST SUPPORT? THE PROFITS OF THE GREEDY HEALTH CARE & HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY OR AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE & HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pmaaronk, as long as we have you here, I remember there were a few questions from a previous conversation that you for some reason neglected to answer. If you feel like addressing any of those some time, that’d be great. Thank you.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pmralph, that’s a good question. I have heard ideas out there, that the taxpayer’s would have a right to restitution over the Iraq war if it were proven to be fraudulent, or unconstitutional. I wish we all had more rights to withhold tax payments when things are “fishy”, but the IRS is pretty ruthless. To answer your question though, yes I would support it so long as they put their tax payments in an escrow account pending a court ruling on their case.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmkronk wants to force a woman to have a baby even if it is terminally deformed and can’t survive so he can deny that same mother and child health care once the child is born and then force the mother and the rest of her family into bankruptcy and homelessness. Priceless.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmDivided We Fall says
August 19th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
WHY ARE REPUBLICANS AGAINST AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE & AFFORDABLE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR INFANTS, CHILDREN, THE SICK, THE ELDERLY, THE DISABLED, THE AMERICAN FAMILY?
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Simple. Because President Obama and many Democrats are for it.
This is like the Super Bowl to them, and they will defend the opposite goal, no matter how ridiculous it is.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmwatchdog says:
The average life expectancy for babies born in 2007 is nearly three months greater than for children born in 2006.
What else happened in 2006? Oh yeah, Democrats took back the majority. When we finally get a public option on healthcare, expect the average life expectancy to shoot up.
Remember, Republicanism is bad for your health and mine. Lets work to stamp it out so now one has to ever suffer from that affliction again.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmWHY DO REPUBLICANS THINK = WAR = GOOD, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE = BAD?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pmLIAR!
August 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pmniner, why stereotype me. Not all people fall into 2 categories, liberal or conservative, and then automatically agree with all those views. My eyes were opened in 2003 when i realized that we really didn’t have a clear mission in Iraq, and the new stated purpose of “promoting democracy” just doesn’t seem like something that the taxpayers should have to fund.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIs there a vaccine for republicanism?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pmdixie, that’s harsh. You do nothing to promote any real discussion when you act like that. I see people on this site call the “right” mean, and hateful….etc, then all you can come up with is “Liar”. Way to go.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pminnocent, name one thing that the democracts did with the majority in 2007 to raise the life expectancy of babies? Be serious.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pmaaronk you are a troll. Period. Prove me wrong if you actually have the intellect.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pmdixie, is a troll someone with an opposing view? Would you rather have me off of here so you guys can all just agree with eachother? How much fun would that be? There are 2 sides to every issue, and I would think a political blog site would understand and promote the discussion.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pmStage 3, I’m a victim. waa.
like your foolishness and inability to answer one question directed at you is less respectful. Tool.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:19 pmwe choose life and you choose death. Your problem, not ours.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:20 pmaaronk: “My eyes were opened in 2003 when i realized…”
Oops, too late. How convenient for you to disavow now; kinda like how you couldn’t find anyone in the late 70’s who had voted for Nixon even though he won in a landslide. Besides, I’m a numbers guy and since 1: I don’t know you; and, 2: polls show the overwhelming percentage of people who are against abortion rights also supported the Iraq war, you’ll pardon me for being skeptical.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:20 pmaaronk,
Focus. This thread is about ClusterFox. You came in here to distract from that topic with troll turds.
TROLL!
Again, ClusterFox and it’s viewers are on the low end of the food chain.
FOX sucks and you know it.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:21 pmI agree, there is reality and then there are the astro-turf talking points you are sent here to spew.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pmThe average life expectancy for babies born in 2007 is nearly three months greater than for children born in 2006.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:25 pm—
Isn’t this apples to oranges since babies are being compared with children or are we just stuck without a definition of baby again? When does a baby become a child and since most of those baby/children becomes tweens and so on I would think live expectancy would be somewhere in the mid 70’s…
dixie. I don’t like or watch fox. One of the issues named in this article was about abortion.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:25 pm“I, I, sob, choke, just…want…to discuss, sob, choke blubber, the issues, whaaaaaa.”
Dude, if there were any indications that you have the slightest grasp on reality, you might get some legitimate discussion, but cogent arguments have been made to you around here on a variety of issues and it’s like talking to a brick wall, or possibly a dining table (thanks to Barney Frank.)
August 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pmSo aaronk
August 19th, 2009 at 3:34 pmDid I miss the place where you accepted the logical conlusion posed to you my llama friend?
Just thought I’d add my personal perspective on the healthcare debate.
Since starting work in the mid-70’s, I always worked for companies that offered healthcare as a bennie. It was pretty painless and transparent, too. Human Reources had a department of people whose primary job was dealing with the insurance companies. In 2000, I decided to start my own business (we now employ 20 people fulltime). However, my partners and mself decided that we couldn’t offer a group plan, so we were all forced to buy our own health insurance from private insurers.
It’s been nothing but trouble. While we pay over $900.00/month, we have had nothing but problems trying to get our claims processed. My wife, bless her heart, deals with these people and it becomes a fulltime job getting them to pay our claims. And it’s no surprise…the people at the other end of the phone are incentivized and measured on their ability to minimize/reject claims. If you can’t do this, string out the payment as long as possible. Why? Because it is FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE. Well, for the CEO and the stockholders, anyway. For the policyholder? Not so much.
I would gladly pay the $900.00 to the USG because I value the peace of mind that there’s no incentive to deny my family benefits and we have better things than to go one-on-one and fight with a corporate bureaucracy that’s got the legal/financial muscle in their corner.
I suspect that the vast majority of anti-public healthcare supporters fall into two basic categories-
(1) Work for companies with healthcare benefits where they are insulated from the reality of dealing with private health insurance companies.
(2) Have never gotten sick, so they don’t understand the financial consequences of for-profit healthcare.
Regardless, when these people finally get introduced to the American healthcare system, most will have an epiphany on why a public health system is an absolute necessity.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:34 pmaaronk says:
August 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pmThere are 2 sides to every issue
— No there aren’t. There are usually many. Some of them just make more sense than others…
aaronk says:
zooey & tom. I am familiar with the other services that PP provides, and I am not opposed to them. I am also personaly familiar with the encouragement they often provide for the abortion procedure, and I have no idea how they can truly receive federal funding, provide abortions, and then say that they didn’t use the federal funding for abortions.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
It’s called an AUDIT. Are you truly this ignorant, or are you just playing the “innocent babe in the woods” to spam this thread with nonsense?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:37 pmBystander, there’s a third group – seniors who have their Medicare and don’t want anything to happen to it. Yes, it’s disgusting, but that’s the “Greatest Generation” for you. They’ve been living on the backs of those few thousand unfortunate young men who stormed the beach at Normandy for decades.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmdbadass @ 189 said:
Isn’t this apples to oranges since babies are being compared with children or are we just stuck without a definition of baby again? When does a baby become a child and since most of those baby/children becomes tweens and so on I would think live expectancy would be somewhere in the mid 70’s…
Actually, it is pretty stupid statement made by watchdog…totally incoherent. I ran with the comment, but we won’t know that data on this until 75 years from now, will we? How can the life expectancy of a child born in 2006 or 2007 be known now?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:40 pmInteresting. So you base your support for withholding tax payments for a specific purpose NOT on personal moral grounds, but on grounds of the legality of the program.
Since abortion is a legal medical procedure under Roe v. Wade, your position on this issue is irrelevant.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:42 pmaaronk,
Abortions are legal.
If abortion is outlawed then the procedure goes underground and both the mother and fetus fail to survive.
When abortion was illegal women would lose their lives by tring to self-abort or they would visit one of those special “barber shops” that would maim and injury the mother.
Both the mother and future child would perish. The SCOTUS decided that we could at least save the life of the mother if she could receive a safe, legal and medically supervised procedure.
Anyone who wishes to outlaw abortion would like to see the old black market return and criminals providing abortions. And the potential child dies anyway along with the mother. That’s stupid to the core.
BTW, the rich were able to get illegal abortions by just finding a doctor who would treat their precious little girl with a D and C. Only the poor died from abortions.
Read some history. Learn the past.
And ClusterFox is an enemy of the people and democracy.
FOX sucks and you know it. Prove me wrong.
BTW, Do you rent you brain or were you raised in a cave?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:45 pmaaronk
August 19th, 2009 at 3:46 pmIf you would like me to provide evidence in support of my “side” in #194, please see #198….
aaronk:
Are you a Ron Paul libertarian or do you lean more towards Lyndon LaRouche?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:55 pmaaronk:
Did you know that Johnny Dollar aka Mark Koldys from Troll Central is a long time supporter of Ron Paul?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pmRe; blclem says:
The New York Times and MSNBC are using an old political strategy that has been used by liberals for decades: If you can’t argue with the facts, destroy the deliverer.
You’re telling me that the “poll”, paid for by MSNBC’s parent company and the New York Times, a very liberal paper, that is critical of a rival network is believable
obviously blclem is a fan of fox news….he can’t even read and argue with real facts…..
Listen clueless…here is what the headline reads..
“NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll ”
That’s WALL STREET JOURNAL”…NOT. The New York Times.
yep you’re a typical uninformed fox viewer…thanks for the proof.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pmOh gawd, let me guess, he never voted for George W. Bush, and he is a Libertarian, not a Republican.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pmjbrantow says:
Great catch!
I nominate that one for a Golden Glove.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:14 pmDoes anyone with half a brain watch MSNBC?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:17 pmNo, the viewers with half a brain are the ones that watch Fox News. The more intelligent viewers (whole brain) get their news from a variety of reputable news sources.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 pmI have a whole brain which is why I don’t have cable. Still conservative guy, how do you explain the data that consistantly show Fox viewers less educated and less informed?just wondering? Oh and Hi!
August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 pmTell us what you watch so we will know the one we definatly don’t want to watch.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:24 pmconservative guy says:
Does anyone with half a brain watch MSNBC?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The half-brained would be the Fox viewers.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm206-
Nope – Mostly people with 2 full-functioning hemispheres.
I could see where the half-brained would be drawn to Fox, though.
Hey Consofative Guy:
“Get a brain, moran”
(isn’t that one of your team’s “spirit yells”?)
August 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pmshoeless: “Oh gawd, let me guess, he never voted for George W. Bush, and he is a Libertarian, not a Republican.”
Exactly. That will be the default answer for weasels for some years to come. In 1972, Nixon won in a landslide. By the end of the 70’s most polls showed that just about 35% of the public would admit to have voted for him. Everything old is new again. Weasels.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pmconservative guy: “Does anyone with half a brain watch MSNBC?”
Classic. This discussion is about still more statistical evidence that FOX viewers are among the least informed and most confused in the country. But this guy NEVER lets facts or figures get in the way of a good argument.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI still don’t understand why libertarian candidates never get elected to anything. Do they have a weak get out the vote program…
August 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI agree with 213 except for the last two words…
August 19th, 2009 at 4:34 pmOh, and conservative guy, wise up! The MSNBC bit was referencing, for it’s documentation, an article and a poll in the Wall Street Journal. You know, the same paper owned by Rupert Murdoch. Man, as usual, you’re just embarrassing yourself.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:35 pmdbadass: “I still don’t understand why libertarian candidates never get elected to anything. Do they have a weak get out the vote program…”
Maybe it’s because the closer you look, the uglier they are. Even though most thoughtful people agree that the war on drugs is absurd and a lot of people agree with the right to bear arms, not many people really think we should abolish public libraries, National Parks, the Dept. of Education and all regulations on corporations.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pmdbadass says:
I still don’t understand why libertarian candidates never get elected to anything. Do they have a weak get out the vote program…
Libertarians stand in the middle of the street, telling everyone they’re going the wrong way.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:39 pm>>chiroptera toasterhead says:
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RWeSafer says:
It should be illegal in a democracy to spout spurious “facts.”
August 19th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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As verified by who?
I’d hate to be around when a young-earth creationist gets elected to high office and decides that evolution is a “spurious fact.”
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Sorry to be slow — probably too late for a response.
Anyway…
It would clearly need to be a pattern of behavior — and the ultimate arbiter would be the courts.
The poll cited is one way of compiling evidence (not the only way, of course) for a case. It would be hard to argue that the network had no role in the crazy beliefs — although that alone wouldn’t be conclusive (just ask the tobacco industry when they argued that people prone to cancer also smoked).
August 19th, 2009 at 5:03 pmdbadass says:
I agree with 213 except for the second last word.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:12 pmMurdoch is from Australia. So is Murdock a foreign terrorist or a domestic terrorist?
August 19th, 2009 at 5:14 pmThose who wish to compare ClusterFox ratings to other news outlets, one-on-one, may see ClusterFox with higher ratings vs. any other given news outlet, one at a time.
When you account for the fact that all of the other news outlets share and split a non-Conservative, non-ClusterFox viewership then you see that ClusterFox is pulling up the rear.
You must aggregate the other news outlets ratings vs. ClusterFox to really get a true picture of the viewership.
If ClusterFox decides to stop being a propaganda machine for the RePugniScums then they can be compared head-to-head to other news outlets based on ratings.
Otherwise, as long as ClusterFox is the only RePugniScum game in town, they do not compete with a peer. They compete against all of their non-peers (non-propagandist channels) collectively.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pmThis will make them easy pickings at the next few elections. Set them up. Then pick them off. It’s a turkey shoot!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:52 pm221 Ape-Man You can keep him we don’t want him back!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:53 pmZooey says:
I asked an acquaintance why she watched Fox. She actually said, “It’s easy to watch. They tell you what everything means, so you don’t have to think too much.”
This is what we’re dealing with, folks.
This from the person that thinks that Health Insurance is a right. Still waiting for you to show me where it says that in the Constitution or the Bill of rights.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:52 amlaworder says:
Sean Hannity and all these poster boys for the right-wing republicans are scamming the very same people who vote for failures like George W. Bush Jr., and still believe there is some kind of connection between Saddam Hussein and 9-11. It’s one thing to be just plain stupid, but quite another thing to be willfully ignorant
Are you sure that you want to make that statement?
August 20th, 2009 at 1:06 amLast I knew G.W. Bush didn’t have any sons, all he had was daughters. Which would mean that you would be fitting your own statement of “It’s one thing to be just plain stupid, but quite another thing to be willfully ignorant” Since his dad’s name is George H.W. Bush I guess that means that George H. Bush wouldn’t be a Jr. See how that works. George Herbert Walker Bush, dad, George Walker Bush, son, there is something missing there to have a Jr.
And to think that is basic.
AIO
Let me help you out there.
Wall Street Journal
March 23, 2005 1:56 p.m. EST
THE SOCIAL SECURITY DEBATE
Trustees Issue New Forecasts
For Social Security, Medicare
Associated Press
March 23, 2005 1:56 p.m
The insolvency dates represent when both trust funds will have exhausted the government bonds that have been building up to take care of the pending retirement of 78 million baby boomers.
For Medicare, the threshold when benefits exceed program income occurred last year. For Social Security, that threshold will be crossed in 2017, one year earlier than the 2018 date projected in last year’s report.
That means that medicare was bankrupt in 2004 and was going down long before that and no one did a thing about it.
You can’t say that the Republicans didn’t do a thing about it without saying that the Democrats didn’t do a thing about it either. Both sides are guilty in this because neither side has done a thing about fixing it. Just like they can’t decide on a way to fix Social Security.
Now as to your comment “Medicaid is not broke, but if it were it’s broke because Medicaid is already covering the sickest with pre-existing conditions and the most elderly and disabled in this country that the for profit insurance WON’T cover.”
August 20th, 2009 at 1:54 amI answered the first part. on to the next. Medicare covers anyone age 65 and older, some disabled people under age 65, and people of all ages with End-Stage Renal Disease.
Medicare does not pay for everything. There are drugs that it doesn’t pay for as well as different procedures that they don’t pay for. The problem is that medicare and medicaid don’t cover everything. People on both Medicare and medicaid have to pay out of pocket as well. So no it isn’t the way you say it is, sorry.
MattressAnswerMan
There is a problem with you thinking there champ. It isn’t the Republicans that are stopping this bill from going through.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:00 amNow if you Liberals could think this through then it might help.
Fact of the matter is that you don’t need the Republicans to pass anything in the house or the senate. If fact the Republicans couldn’t stop anything from being passed if they wanted to, they don’t have enough votes. So the problem isn’t the Republicans it is the democrats themselves. Figure it out. In the House there are almost twice as many Democrats and in the Senate the Democrats have 60 seats so once again I say the probelm isn’t the Republicans the problem is in your own party.
But by all means try your best.
Oj and to help you out a lot of the American people know that the democrats could pass this without the republicans.
buffalo nickel
August 20th, 2009 at 2:34 amYou are right. Americans do want health care reform.
Now the problem lies with the way they ask the question.
Americans who are asked if the want a private plan overwhelmingly say yes. But then if you ask them if they want a government plan they overwhelmingly say no. Same plan asked two differnt ways.
Americans do think there is something wrong with the health care system by they are afraid that any changes with affect them and they don’t want to loose their coverage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/13/the_healt... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/13/the_health_care_reform_paradox__97866.html
FAUX News viewers were similarly uninformed about the Iraq War.
August 20th, 2009 at 4:08 amyfdfxl,
You are a spamming a$$hole! Phuck you for wasting our valuable time.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:08 amFOX is morally corrupt and are a threat to the security of America.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pmFox and their lies has cause me to change my opinion on the 1st amendment.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
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Once again I am amazed at how the left is so hypocritcal. Ya’ll constantly go on about how those of the right are intolerant or hateful. They have nothing on the left, liberals spew hate like a firehose. I read your bile to remind me why I left the Democratic party and became a free American with no party affiliation. All politicians are liars and are only interested in having power over those people too sheep-like to question their anti-American rhetoric !!!
August 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pmThe pharse “death panels may not be in the House Health Care Reform Bill but the reality of government run health care on the Indian Reservations shows us that “death panels” are what will be happening to our entire health care system if the HR3200 is passed and the public is not “misinformed” as the left is saying. http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/ People are waiting in line, being denied essential services and literally dying. The health care reform that President Obama is trying to ram through Congress will lead to the same nightmare happening right now on the Indian Reservations as President Obama has stated that his ultimate goal is a “single payer” system. The so called “public option” is the trojan horse that will destroy our current private health care system. Private companies who now offer private insurance will just drop their plans and force their employees onto the cheaper “public option.” Moreover, there are provisions in HR3200 that will kill private insurance if there are any changes to the plan or they do not meet with the Bills standards.
The facts are that the majority of people do not want President Obama’s government run “public option” whose only purpose is to destroy our current private run system that the vast majority of people are very happy with. Instead of trying to ram HR3200 down our throats the Democrats should be looking at the track record of government run health care on the Indian Reservations and fixing it. Stop making another big mess out of our current private health care systems that the vast majority of people are very happy with.
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August 21st, 2009 at 9:36 amFox news is beneath contempt. They keep their paranoia and victim mentality alive by making things up, couching it in words like “apparently” and “maybe” and feed it to non-thinking folks. All of the hosts and pundits greatest fear is that their overstuffed wallets will be broken into. I blocked that station from my home, but still come across the sight of them at times. So bad for the country.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pmFacts in bill disprove every statement by Mr. Corley. One example, illegal immigrants are covered. Page 51 of the bill states “IN GENERAL – all health care and related services … covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provisions of high quality health care or related services.” ANYONE physically present in this nation is covered by this bill.
Mr. Corley failed to point out that the bill, on page 203 states, “the tax imposed by this section shall not be considered to be a tax imposed by this section.” I wonder if he’s even read the bill.
A last comment,I am not a Fox News viewer. I read, find facts and report them.
August 26th, 2009 at 8:04 am