Frank slams protester comparing Obama to Hitler: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’
Frank slams protester comparing Obama to Hitler: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’
Last night, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) held a contentious town hall in Dartmouth, MA to discuss health care reform. The crowded hall of more than 500 people had both supporters and opponents of health care reform, but the opposing side was “much louder and more raucous.” At one point, Frank asked the crowd: “Which one of you wants to yell next?” Frank then excoriated a woman who asked a question while holding up a picture of President Obama defaced to look like Hitler:
QUESTION: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has expressly supported this policy? Why are you supporting it? [...]
FRANK: On what planet do you spend most of your time? … You want me to answer the question? Yes. You stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis. My answer to you is, as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated.
Frank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
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August 19th, 2009 at 9:51 amFrank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
– - Barney came loaded for bear. Indolence should be a goal, not a starting place.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:51 amOOOOOOHHHHHH yes Barney you got to like the guy, as he usually don’t mince words with the complete idiots.
good job keep up the good work.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:52 amThink most of these tea baggers always come so unarmed intellectly that is.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:57 amGive ‘em hell, Barney!
Nice ring to that…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:58 amWhy does Barney Frank hate dining room tables?
Or does he just hate American dining room tables?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:00 amThe look on that womans face was awesome. Typical uninformed wingnut dummy.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:06 amNo wonder the wingnuts try so hard to vilify Barney Frank.
I’m glad he’s on our side.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:07 amBarney Frank is my hero. I am glad to see someone standing up to these idiots. Hopefully it quashed her follow up question about Obama’s birth certificate.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:08 amFrank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
With the dining room table being more stable than the wingnut.
Barney has shown the way: ridicule these willfully ignorant dipsh*ts and let the world see just what flaming idiots and cretins they are.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:08 amSaw the clip — Barney can be deliciously withering when confronted with teh stoopid — Well done Congressman, well done.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:10 amShe had nothing to say in response, likely because there was nothing on her list of talking points from Freedumb Works to cover that situation.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:10 amThis is a minute and eighteen seconds of awesome.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:11 amPresident Obama is starting to lose support for healthcare with a public option. The lying talking heads on fox and AM radio have alot to do with that. FCK the repugs, ram it thru!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:11 amI wish more Congressmen/women had the balls he has. These people should be called out, not glorified (as the media has been doing).
August 19th, 2009 at 10:12 amHOLY SHIT!!
BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It’s about time we had evidence of an elected official having some balls. What’s hilarious is that the only Democrat that has managed to man-up so far is also as gay as they come. That has to sit well with the republicans. LOL!!!
God, I love me some Barney Frank. We many not agree on every issue, but damn. It’s hard to not appreciate someone who is not willing to put up with this kind of proud idiocy.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:12 amPeople like her are way over their heads. They are there for face time only. They are the fringe element who are given way too much coverage. The vast majority of Americans want health care reform but it appears that most of America is against it because of the undeserved extra time the loud mouths get.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:13 amThe crowded hall of more than 500 people had both supporters and opponents of health care reform, but the opposing side was “much louder and more raucous.”
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Regular TP poster katy gave us a great quote yesterday, which she said she got from Stephanie Miller:
“Empty cans make the most noise.”
I think it’s applicable here.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:15 amWhat scares me is those people live among us….
August 19th, 2009 at 10:16 amTHis is exactly the way these people need to be treated. Excellent Mr. Frank.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:16 amTo Barney Frank:
Job well done.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:19 amWant to bet that a dining room table shows up at Barney’s next town hall?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:19 amHow about giving evangenital some credit? S/he posted this story at #8 on the ThinkFast thread below.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:20 amAs I commented at digby’s, I am going to have to turn the audio of that clip into an MP3 and put it on my iPod, so that I can have it handy to listen to whenever I need a quick pick-me-up!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 amsscncturn64 says
August 19th, 2009 at 10:11 am
President Obama is starting to lose support for healthcare with a public option. The lying talking heads on fox and AM radio have alot to do with that. FCK the repugs, ram it thru!!!
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I suspect that the “cave-in” to a co-op plan instead of a public option was a carefully choreographed trial balloon. Which worked — the wingnuts are blasting away at it.
People want health care reform. There are too many people who have fallen into the health care abyss, and too many more people who can see the edge of the pit from where they are.
These people may be temporarily dazzled by the fearmongering from the right, but they will see that no matter what kind of “reform” is offered, it’s apparent the GOP will oppose it simply because Obama wants it. Given a choice between reform and no reform, the people will support reform. The pain levels are too high to ignore.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:21 amIt’s sad that this lunatic actually thought she was knowledgeable with her talking points straight from Rush Limpballs. That is until Frank called her out for what she is….dumber than a dining room table.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:25 am“The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. All you have to do is tell them that they are in danger of being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”
HERMANN GOERING
“By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell — and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.”
Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
(Seems to describe the GOP tactics to a tee)
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“At least two-thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity: idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religous or political ideas.”
ALDOUS HUXLEY
(prescient description of the tea bagger, birther, deather and generally racist Town Hall thugs)
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“Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good.”
“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.”
“In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.”
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken
(This man, the “Sage of Baltimore”, shows how the right and the fundies haven’t changed much in a century)
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“I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.”
“Unless you become more watchful in your states and check the spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that… the control over your dearest interests has passed into the hands of these corporations.”
Andrew Jackson
(was K Street even around back then?)
August 19th, 2009 at 10:26 amSkyler says:
Want to bet that a dining room table shows up at Barney’s next town hall?
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Yes… and it’ll be carrying a gun, to boot…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:28 amThis is only going to bring out Americans for Furniture and Dinettes for Democracy,, who will compare IKEA to death camps and equate Formica to tyranny.
( well done Barney!!!)
August 19th, 2009 at 10:30 amAfter seeing the video, I decided to make a comment. Then, I read all the comment and realized, WOW, the comments here are too funny not to comment on. So, there goes;
From Hoffmania:
Agreed, kind makes me want to head over to youtube to see the entire meeting of Franks kickin a$$.
From Skyler:
Not only do I want to see the dining room table…I want to see the reference he makes to it…that would be funny. Let’s face it, us Dems are known for our comedy.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:33 amHey! Dems in Congress! Take a lesson here!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:36 amA good, strong Health reform is critical to our country in more ways than one.
I fear that if we don’t get some good legislation in place the whackos will think that they have somehow won a victory. Through their intimidation, by their disruptions of Town Hall meetings and their display of firearms, they will continue to use these strong arm tactics in order to get what they want.
The Bush administration brought us to the level of a third world country with their disdain of our Constitution. The Teabaggers and other groups are only continuing the Fascism by bullying their way through the democratic process.
We have to win big on health reform in order to prevent our country and our system from being ruled by a mob mentality.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:37 amNO ONE WANTS YOU HERE, WATCHDOG.
FUKK OFF.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:38 amI think we should be equating all the Nay Saying Republicans with different pieces of furniture.
Michael Steel is a hat rack.
Rush Limbaugh is a motheaten overstuffed sofa out on the front porch.
Any others?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:39 amHow can I determine if MY dining room table is a registered republican?
August 19th, 2009 at 10:44 amwatchdog says:
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Current time: 10:46.
Record time, if I’m not mistaken.
See, I told you no one wanted you here, watchdog.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 amCould it be, watchdog?
I think you’re a Democratic plant.
No evidence against it.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am#30, 5th Estate…
Thanks. Now I can clean the coffee spew from my screen and keyboard.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 amWhat we need are several hundred more Barney Franks in the senate and house – way to go Barney – I love it. It’s about fcuking time!
August 19th, 2009 at 10:47 amThat’s what I’m talkin’ about, Good on you Mr. Frank…these brain dead morons should be called out for their stupidity at the earliest instance…
August 19th, 2009 at 10:48 amIt’s odd, the only Democrat with some balls is gay…..
Maybe we should elect more to show the straight democrats how not to be pussies.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:49 amGive ‘em hell Barn.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:50 amthat’s an insult to dining room tables.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:53 amAlot of wingnuts complain about the cost of healthcare.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:53 amOne of their arguments is that they dont want their children and grandchildren to be paying for it.
Are these wingnuts so confident that their children are going to have jobs that offer healthcare insurance.
Ive heard the wingnuts who look into the future and the time comes when their adult children ask their parents,why didnt you try and stop healthcare reform? Why do we have to pay for it,why is our country a bazillion dollars in debt.
I see their children asking them,why didnt you support President Obamas healthcare reform? Mom,dad I have no insurance and we cant afford to get your grandson cancer treatment. Thanks alot.
If a dining room table were to show up at the next town hall, I have no doubt that debating it would be more productive than engaging the tea-bagger/birther/deather/Jo-the-Plumber-loving lunatics we have regrettably been exposed to, and it would have a higher IQ to boot.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:55 amPresident Obama could take a lesson from Barney Frank. I’d like to know this woman’s name. She should be given the proper recognition for her stupidity meaning she should be able to Google herself to see what people think of her.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:56 amUgh. Being a gay man has nothing to do with masculinity. It just means you like guys. So, it should not be any surprise that Barney Frank also comes loaded with a full-size set of balls. Just sayin.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:57 amGeorge Bush had people arrested for way less than this. This administration is letting people carry loaded automatic weapons near the President. It’s time to stop this insanity.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:58 amIf the Dems were smart, they would make this clip into a TV ad.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:58 amWhy should I pay taxes to support the fire department when MY house isn’t the one on fire?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:00 amwatchdog says
August 19th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Could it be another Democrat plant?
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If the protester had tried something new, I suppose the conspiracy theorists could find some plausibility in that.
But comparing President Obama to Hitler, carrying signs showing Obama’s face with a Hitler moustache, and equating health care reform with Hitler’s policies (socialized medicine! just like Hitler had! run for the hills!) have all become memes firmly established in the GOP pantheon of misleading spin.
Unless you’re going to try to convince us that EVERYBODY carrying an Obama=Hitler sign and screeching about the “Nazi plan” is a Democratic plant. Good luck with that one.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 amAnd what about we make all senior citizens go into the co-op plans? Since most of them didn’t pay enough in to cover their health care and their SS checks. If the co-op plan is so great let them buy into it too that way nobody has socialized medicine.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 amNice to know that this lady will forever be remembered as a “dumb coffee table”.
This is viral and proving the point, the RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES are idiots.
Dumbing down America is working….SAD SAD.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:02 amFrank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
Although, unlike these protesters, dining room tables are useful.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:03 amTracy_5
What part of “stay on topic” is so completely lost on you? You never manage to actually participate in a conversation, but instead try to distract people from the topic at hand.
But if you really want to know why no co-op, I suggest you actually research the co-op idea a bit so you can see why it will not work. Or, you could just come back here and beg us all to do the work for you. That seems more up your alley.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:04 am7. http://www.seslizurna.com says:
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On what planet do you spend most of your time? … You want me to answer the question? Yes. You stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis.sesli chat
sesli sohbet
seslichat
seslisohbet
Let’s see either this troll is:
trying to impress us with his extensive vocabulary understood by only him,
the monkey trying to type the Constitution,
letting his 1 year old do his typing, or
he’s a bagger that speaks in tongues.
Regardless, he is best ignored as he contributes nothing of value, kinda like the entire set of Tea Baggers if you think about it.
Way to go Frank, you’d a made a great Chief Petty Officer in my day….
August 19th, 2009 at 11:04 amIt’s waaaaaaahtchdog. Boo-hoo.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:07 amRetiredSailor says:
Let’s see either this troll is:
trying to impress us with his extensive vocabulary understood by only him,
the monkey trying to type the Constitution,
letting his 1 year old do his typing, or
he’s a bagger that speaks in tongues.
None of the above, it’s spam for a chat site with some lines copy-pasted to try to sound less like spam.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:08 amTracy__5 says:
#54
What and be all alone amongst 2 billion liberals?
Alone? You really think you’re the last conservative? Things are worse for your crowd than I thought.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:09 amHOORAY!!!
THANK YOU, BARNEY FRANK!
August 19th, 2009 at 11:09 amWhat’s the big deal Barney?
We argue with furniture here all the time.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 amwatchdog blathers:
screenname hijacking = rape.
Compassion from the right on full display.
You’re a disgusting piece of shit you bastard. I hope you rot in hell, but first I’m going to get you kicked off this site.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 amOh yes you got to like it>>> i mean went you think about it the house has Barney >>> gay and a real pain in the rights a$$ and you know that the gay thing got to stick in the rights thoats and then there second or maybe there worst night mare is NANCY well being a women also has to stick in there thoat as well they are always getting slapped and spanked by both Barney and Nancy
August 19th, 2009 at 11:11 amhttp://grammartips.homestead.com/imply.html
August 19th, 2009 at 11:13 amsmidget, after having observed and interacted with Tracist many times over the past few years, I think it may not be that Tracist actively tries to distract from the topic.
I think he may just be easily confused and easily distracted.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:13 amIt looks like Barney Frank is pretty quick on his feet. Too bad more congressmen are not as sharp as him. This is the tactic that everyone should take with these demonstrators. Humiliation with sarcasm works for me.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 amwatchdog, we can tell when it’s you and when it’s not you. The link on the ID name is just as much an identifier as your screen ID name.
Shouting this to us won’t solve a thing.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 amTracy, you seem a bit uptight,maybe you need to get screwed.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:14 amSince your a repug im positive you will have know problem finding another repug who would love to screw you.
After all thats the repug party`s MO.
“And what about we make all senior citizens go into the co-op plans?”
At least there will be competition.
Wrong. In order to be competitive, a co-op would have to include pretty much all the uninsured, but co-ops are regional, and have no ability to provide care to enough people to create a competitive environment.
“Since most of them didn’t pay enough in to cover their health care and their SS checks”
So you think that should have paid in more?
Yes. We should all be paying more into these funds. People live longer than they used to, but no adjustment for these additional years of payments has been made.
“If the co-op plan is so great let them buy into it too that way nobody has socialized medicine.”
Good idea.
No, it isn’t, because the co-op plan isn’t great.
Are you even going to bother to learn something before trying to support the idea? What kind of moron are you?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:16 amThere should be a dining room table at every Democratic town hall meeting, with a big sign that says “reserved for teabaggers, Death Eaters, birthers, and other liars”. Potted plant optional.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:16 amYes, Tracy (-5) we know you are a dumbs^&* cretin. No need for you to state the obvious.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:16 amI’M NOT DEBATING YOU, THERE IS NO DEBATING WHETHER SCREENNAME HIJACKING AND RAPE ARE EQUIVALENT. THEY AREN’T. I’M TELLING YOU WHAT YOU ARE.
YOU’RE A DISGUSTING PIECE OF SHIT.
DON’T TALK TO ME, YOU SUBHUMAN PIECE OF DOG CRAP.
FUKK OFF AND DIE.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:17 amEndtable_5, for instance, is having a lively non-discussion based on some of his very interesting presuppositions right now.
What can we imply from this?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:19 amWell you’re the guy who is so worried about paying for healthcare for the undeserving. I see Mexicans every day working harder for less money, riding bikes in the rain to get there, doing work nobody here wants to do that needs to be done. And even though illegals are not included in the plan all you people do is whine that they might get free health care. Well NEWSFLASH, lots of old women on Medicare collecting checks never worked a day in their lives. Their husbands did and they stayed home living like welfare queens. Lot’s of them it’s been 50 or 60 years since their kids left the house and they never worked one day. But your mad that the guy with the brown skin might get some health care on your dime. The stupidity is staggering.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:20 ameasy smidget – you’re starting to sound like a townhall deathbagger.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:20 amYou’re probably right, ralph.
What was I thinking even trying to talk some sense into it?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:20 amtombaker
I’ll calm down when this piece of shit apologizes for what it’s said.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:21 amExcellent observation as always missmolly
They wouldn’t be happy their either…not with China planning for a universal health plan
August 19th, 2009 at 11:22 amwatchdog says:
Could it be another Democrat plant?
Could watchdog be a crack using prostitute with VD?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 amwatchdog hasn’t provided evidence against this, so it must be true.
That clueless woman’s expression was similar to GW Bush’s expression when he was told about the 911 incident. She was probably shocked that he didn’t attempt some feeble attempt to appease her. His response was classsic. Also she probably was shocked not to hear the mob applause from other teabaggers
August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 amwatchpoop, I guarantee if you go away nobody will bother to namejack you. You don’t make a big enough impression for anybody to remember you when you’re not around.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 amit’s not in the nature of one such as chairdog to apologize.
he’s borderline sociopathic, like so much of the furniture these days.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:24 amtombaker, should that be “EndoflifeTable_5″?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:25 amHow about that, folks?
Endtable_5 is in favor of a German-style Socialism forthe U.S.
Think Progress, and Progress there shall be.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:26 amWe need to find out this woman’s name and make posters of the stunned look on her face. Teabaggers need to learn that there are repercussions for their lies and stupidity. And the very least they deserve is to be mocked in perpetuity.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:26 amRemember when Tracy used to try to pretend to be a moderate?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:27 amFrank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
“I have no interest in doing it.”
the BEST part of that… imo…
August 19th, 2009 at 11:28 amTracy__5 says:
Did you really think you deserved a polite response? Ever?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:29 am1. Q: What’s the difference between the stupid female teabagger in the vid & a dining room table?
A: The dining room table has a purpose and is useful.
2. Q: Watchdog…I hear someone by the name of Crotch Dog is willing to give you their nick…that won’t ever be name-jacked again?
A: ?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:29 amRe; watchdog whining about a plant….that’s the GW Bush method…remember Jeff Gannon. You’re delusional….The Democrats don’t need plants, there are plenty of clueless teabaggers to fill the wingnut cause.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:31 amWow, that took you long enough, Tracy_5.
So if I stay on topic and factually state that Barney Frank is a bitter old jerk…would that be better?
At least it would have been on-topic.
It would work. Germany you know has the best healthcare in the world.
There is so much fail in just these two sentences, it’s stunning.
First of all, even Kent Conrad, who came up with the idea, says it won’t work.
Second of all, Germany does not use co-ops. They have one of the oldest universal healthcare systems in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Germany
Third of all, France has the best healthcare in the world, not Germany. Germany is #25
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
A public option requires that you actually pay some premiums. That’s how you fund it.
Why dont you go off and learn something about reality, instead of listening to your right-wing masters about everything, and then come back and try to have a discussion.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:31 amWatchdog gets blown by Gannon too?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:31 amCould somebody explain to me how Adolph Hitler promoted the idea of having a government-administrated public health option competing with private insurance plans? Did such a system even exist in the Third Reich?
No, I suspect all the Hitler references have to do with the manufactured threat of “rationing” — except that Hitler and his health department’s criteria of who was deemed worthy to receive health care had more to do with one’s ethnic background and religion.
We don’t do that here in the United States. In our current system, those deemed worthy to receive health care are the ones with the fattest bank accounts.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:36 amWell, now, see Obama’s plan is JUST like Hitler’s fascist socialist nationalized healthcare. Therefore Obama is like Hitler.
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But Nazi germany also had uniformed soldiers, like we do. Well — EVERY country with a nationalized army has uniformed soldiers, so every country is like Nazi Germany. And elections… they had elections, too. And their leader gave speeches to the people. THAT is clearly Nazi, because they did it. They had police that arrested people that broke their laws. How “Nazi” of them. Those damn nazi police with their damn nazi laws and stuff.
AHHHAHAHHHAHHHHHH… RRUUUUUUUNNNNNN…. Nazi’s everywhere….. the inference is indisputable!!!!!…… ANYTHING THAT ANYONE DOES THAT EVEN RESEMBLES SOMETHING DONE IN NAZI GERMANY IS CLEAR AND UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT THEY ARE NAZIS…. THE WHOLE WORLD MUST BE NAZIS…. THE NAZIS WORE CLOTHING!!!!!!……… RRUUUNNNNNNN!!!…..
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August 19th, 2009 at 11:37 amWhat TRacist and the rest of the teabaggers don’t understand is that the very nature of insurance itself is socialism — it’s shared burden, shared risk.
The only difference between private insurance and a public option is that the private insurance company is required to turn a profit. And it doesn’t take a genius to see that an insurance company makes more profit the less care it pays for.
Heck, even Tracist should be able to see that.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:42 amThank you, Rep. Frank. It’s far past time to tell the frightened children to sit down, and shut up, until they have something sensible to add to the discussion.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:42 am“Yes. We should all be paying more into these funds.”
Spoken by a true supporter of socialized medicine.
I sure am. Go ahead and list for us the problems with socialized medicine. I know what you’ll say – cost. Of course, one who would claim that money is more important than people’s lives is a monster, but go ahead.
From your own link:
“In Germany, statutory health insurance, which covers 90 percent of the population, is financed by a payroll tax.”
“The health insurance premiums paid by Germans are collected in a national, government-run central fund that effectively performs the risk-pooling function for the entire system.”
Your idiocy is really on display today.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:44 amEntable_5, on one hand, claims to be here to advance intelligent debate on healthcare, while on the other hand, branding someone on here a “pussy liberal prick” — Oh, OK. Dumba$$.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:44 amricketyarmoire__5 says:
“And even though illegals are not included in the plan all you people do is whine that they might get free health care.”
After all of the county hospitals I have renovated and/or added on to….they already do. Is it too much to ask that they pay for a part of it?
So, what theis armoire is saying is that one reason it opposes a national healthcare option is that it may allow free access to illegals. But then argues that illegals ALREADY, under the current system, receive free healthcare.
In truth, this is a shiny distraction, as the REAL issue the armoire has here in this particualr instance is immigration/illegal alien reform, and it has NOTHING to do with healthcare reform.
Why must the armoire try so hard to be a footstool?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:46 amAugust 19th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Tracy__5 says:
A typical pussy liberal prick I see.
Confucius says, “bravest words come from the safest places.”
Seeing that these “brave” words are coming from a boy with a girls name, are we really surprised?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:47 amThis cartoon depicts these teabagger screamers perfectly:
Useful idiots
August 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amFrank concluded: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”
**snort**
Barney Frank is awesome.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:51 amWell, I wouldn’t expect an EndTable(_5) to imply that Germany, like other advanced Western Democracies, tends very heavily toward Socialism in its policymaking, just because they do.
It’s not in the nature of furnishings to draw accurate implications from a given set of empirical facts.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:51 amI didn’t know that Otto Von Bismark was a Nazi. He must have been way ahead of his time.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:52 amArn Gunnutes says:
I hope George Bush DROPS DEAD
I’d like to seem him undergo spaghettification.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:52 amPoor wittle twacist.
With thanks to Dumbya’s brilliant economic strategies, the boy-girl finds his work load grinding to a complete halt if not for – wait -
WORKING ON COUNTY HOSPITALS, or in other words, PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE LESS FORTUNATE, even illegals.
This moral conundrum you’re in, working for the man, building for the poor, in order to make a paycheck.
Hypocrisy: it’s what the GOP prides itself in.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:53 ammisscoleopteramolly says:
No, I suspect all the Hitler references have to do with the manufactured threat of “rationing” — except that Hitler and his health department’s criteria of who was deemed worthy to receive health care had more to do with one’s ethnic background and religion.
The current for-profit system we suffer under now is VERY costly (and trolls who think they don’t pay because their employer provides it and they don’t really use it — well, your employer doesn’t get it for free — and that cost reduces your employer’s profitablity, and therefore your employer’s ability to increase YOUR pay and other benefits). How much does it cost, in actual dollare goiung to the insurance company, to insure you and your family for the year? You might be appalled if you worked up the numbers.
And, I’ve said it befoire and I’ll say it again, there is also RATIONING under the current system, based on income. Sure, I CAN go to the ER with or without insurance, and EITHER way I WILL receive a bill for it. But with insurance, if I want to go visit the doctor to have a test performed, or to have a check up, or because I am concerned that I may have a health issue beginning, NO DOCTOR — none, not one, will see me AT ALL, UNLESS I present them with a co-pay, in cash up front.
Hippocratic oath be damned, if you don’t have that co-pay in cash (check maybe, many do not accept credit or debit cards at all) then they WILL REFUSE TO SEE YOU AT ALL.
Now, one troll teabagger want to explain how in the name of Zeus is that NOT rationing healthcare based on one’s income (which determines the ability to make those co-pays).
Let it also be noted, that after the co-pay, wiith insirance, I still receive BILLS for the visit. And THAT is the system you lumps of broken furniture want to calim is SO superior?
August 19th, 2009 at 11:56 amLove you Barney Frank! When the Fox zombies are confronted with logic that can not be answered by a Fox “template”, they have little ability to argue back.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:58 amAnd that was an awesome and uplifting response from Mr. Frank. Well done, sir, well done indeed!
August 19th, 2009 at 12:02 pmEndtable_5 uses unskilled labor to build his hospitals. I suspect many of them are illegals. He will exploit them for their labor, but doesn’t want them to have health care.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pmFinally, someone is willing to put those morons in their place.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:04 pmshoeless says:
Endtable_5 uses unskilled labor to build his hospitals. I suspect many of them are illegals. He will exploit them for their labor, but doesn’t want them to have health care.
Now.. see.. that is the great and noble method of pure unadulterated capitalism. No conscience, only profit by the best means possible.
Gee, whiz, I mean the illeags are here, and there’s nothing being done to get rid of them, so why NOT exploit them? They have no recourse. It makes excellent capitalistic sense — cheapest labor possible makes for greates profit.
Who needs all that “moral” stuff? That’s no way to run a business. That belongs in church where we can pretend to believe it so we can feel like we will be going to heaven, with donuts and nachos all day.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pmYes, Endtable_5 might as well use unskilled illegals to build his hospitals, because they leak even when he uses trained union labor.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pmInteresting.
Tracist admits that the profit motive for insurers is one reason our health insurance system is broken.
That’s a step in the right direction for our much-maligned friend.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm“THE WHOLE WORLD MUST BE NAZIS…. THE NAZIS WORE CLOTHING!!!!!!……… RRUUUNNNNNNN!!!…..”
I just ate a sandwich! Nazis ate sandwiches. That makes me a NAZI!!! HOW CAN I RUN FROM MYSELF!!! I AM SO SCARED!!! NAZIS ARE EVERYWHERE EVEN IN ME!!! HELP ME RUSH!!! HELP ME JEBUS!!
Thanks CageyCretin, I really needed a laugh :>)
August 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pmEndtable_5 thinks we are too naive to understand that the only purpose for the co-ops is to fail so the Republicans can crow that the Democrat’s health care reform didn’t work.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pmLooks like it also uses unskilled labor to build it’s arguments
August 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pmmisscoleopteramolly says:
No, I suspect all the Hitler references have to do with the manufactured threat of “rationing” — except that Hitler and his health department’s criteria of who was deemed worthy to receive health care had more to do with one’s ethnic background and religion.
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I think some of it’s also payback for the name calling around Bush…
It’s painful to see what sore losers the righties are. They had their chance to run the country however they saw fit. And run it they did… into the ground, face first. They can complain all they want about uncivilized libruls. Bush & Co did more damage to the GOP/right wing in this country on their own in less than 8 years than all of us could ever do, for all eternity, no matter how many nasty names and puns we come up w/.
That’s what the righties can’t accept… just HOW BADLY BushCo sh*t the bed.
So they see this as “payback”, for sullying the image of their beloved leader…
The power of denial to shape people’s behavior is frightening to see.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:18 pmTracy: “Which is why co-ops would work. They would eliminate the profit motive for insurers.”
How does a co-op eliminate the profit motive. Could you explain that?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:18 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Interesting.
Tracist admits that the profit motive for insurers is one reason our health insurance system is broken.
That’s a step in the right direction for our much-maligned friend.
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Careful, ralphie… you’ll force Tracy to trash his own words…
August 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm…because of shotty craftmanship.
You mean “shoddy”, like your grammar.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pmThat is a lie. Countries with socialized medicine consistantly rank much higher in quality of care, with almost half the cost, as complared to the US.
Tracy, stop lying. We know you.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pmTracy__5 says:
…because of shotty craftmanship.
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Then you should STOP doing business w/ Halliburton and Bechtel… :-D!
August 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pmWould say it in person but I have already tried that route…no takers here yet.
Go beat up your sister.
It’ll make you feel more “manly” I’m sure.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe problem with co-op is that it can’t contain costs. According to Wikipedia, the German system has had some cost increase problems:
“Drug costs have increased substantially, rising nearly 60% from 1991 through 2005. Despite attempts to contain costs, overall health care expenditures rose to 10.7% of GDP in 2005, comparable to other western European nations, but substantially less than that spent in the U.S. (nearly 16% of GDP).[79]”
Yes, the German system is better than our current one, but we can do better than the Germans with a public option.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pmZooey says:
This cartoon depicts these teabagger screamers perfectly…
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The old-time gangsters used to call their hired lawyers mouthpieces…
August 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pmTracy__5 says:
Would say it in person but I have already tried that route…no takers here yet.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Oh please. Don’t pull your “Biggus Dickus” routine here.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:25 pmheh…see, proving my point…
August 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pmTracy: “Would say it in person but I have already tried that route…no takers here yet.”
If you really want to say it in someone’s face, why don’t you just give us your address tough guy? Then, you can just wait for someone to show up and you can say it to their face.
Let’s have it: where do you live?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pmThe Republican’s plan to care for the poor is to give them almost nothing for their labor, then let them die when they get sick. Aren’t you proud?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pmTo care for the poor doesn’t necessarily mean give them something for nothing
Yet you provide for those who get something for nothing.
Only for your own paycheck.
Hypocrite-enabler.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pmTwacist,
I’ll be at Bryan St. Pub this evening.
Will you be wearing only a tiara or is the fairy princess costume on the docket tonight?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm“Tracy__5 says:
#125
“The only difference between private insurance and a public option is that the private insurance company is required to turn a profit.”
Which is why co-ops would work. They would eliminate the profit motive for insurers.”
Why risk spending time and money on an unproven route such as co-ops? These have been tried in many states on small scale and only a two have any results what-so-ever. Why don’t we go with something that has a long proven track record of success? Medicare! It provides excellent service for a fraction of the price of existing co-ops or private insurance. Why should we risk experimenting with something so unknown as a co-op? Our countries health is at stake here. This is stupid…
By-the-way, there is no existing national co-op. The whole idea of building a national co-op to cover in the uninsured is ridiculous considering in 1776 we put together a nation of states to “promote the general welfare”, a government for the people and by the people. That sounds a lot like these co-ops people are dreaming about. This is why we have a government in the first place. Why do these idiots hate the Constitution?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pmTracy: “Apparently shoeless is the only one here who thinks…”
Shoeless has more common sense in his little toenail than you will ever hope to have, you sociopathic, self-loathing troglodite.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm“Traci_5 says:
To care for the poor doesn’t necessarily mean give them something for nothing…which you are all about doing.”
No that is what Jesus was all about doing!
August 19th, 2009 at 12:33 pmNow tht we have “birthers”, “deathers”, and “teabaggers” will this bring about an entirely new sect….?
“Broyhillers”
August 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pmSimple, the last thing the Republicans want is success. They know that if health care reform succeeds, they will not regain power for a long time, if ever. The Republicans can only succeed by causing our country to fail.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pmmore like snotty craftsmanship, if you ask me.
i just love hearing a guy who coulsn’t swing a hammer to save his own life badmouth people who actually work for a living.
tres classe’
Anyone remember Aesop’s tale of “The Dog in the Manger”?
I keep being reminded of that fable every time certain Righty furnishings appear in these threads.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pmYou people do realize that the people with the Obama Hitler posters represent Lyndon LaRouche, right? So it’s not teabaggers and right wingers doing this. This is LaRouche, who advocates a single payer system.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pmno one has cared what Lyndon Larouche said since 1978, other than the 3 dozen wackos that staff his cult office.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:41 pmThis is true. And yet these people are in the news now because of their Obama Hitler posters.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pmwow endtable_5, you’re asking us to imply that some sick old people are enough to bankrupt the greatest and wealthiest nation on earth?
you don’t have much pride in the USA, do you endtable_5?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pmAl – as long as it help to further disgrace Righties and Republican’ts (and it does), it’s a-ok with me.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pmTracy__5 says:
Maybe not eliminate the profit motive but certainly reduce it.
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OMGawd!!!!!!!! Creeping socialism…
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pmOh, Twacist, you went and blew it. I thought you were making progress.
But you go ahead with your call to dismantle Medicare. Urge your Congressman and Senators to support Congressman Weiner’s amendment to End Medicare.
I think that could be a big political winner for you guys.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pmIt is not Lyndon LaRouche. These are the teabaggers. They are organized and funded by Dick Armey, his lobyist group, and Americans for Prosperity, who collected their names during the tea parties.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pmendtable_5 – which treatments, exactly, are those Canadians heading south for?
or are you just referring to those bought-and-paid-for testimonials from chronic hypochondriacs that the big insurers’ pr firms solicited?
were you aware that the same thing happens on our southern border, where thousands of americans, many of them seniors, cross into mexico for treatment and medications? would you say that the fact they do so is a blanket indicment of our system?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pmGot anything to back up that claim, or are you just making sh!t up again?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:53 pmi think the UK’s system is very cost-effective. as is Canada’s
that’s how/why they’re both so much less expensive than ours, yet produce consistently better outcomes than ours.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:53 pmFrom a Canadian who has lived in the US for 17 years:
Debunking Canadian Health care Myths
Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.
Tracist, doesn’t it get old, being so wrong all the time?
It gets old for us watching it, that’s for sure.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:54 pmTracy is forging a legacy as the “William Kristol of home furnishings and manger dogs”
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pmSee, Tracist, this is why we dismiss your observations. Your vision is severely blurred.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pmTracy__5 says:
#161
“Countries with socialized medicine consistantly rank much higher in quality of care,…”
Are you saying that the people from Canada come to the U.S. for specialize treatment just because they feel like taking trip south?
You’ve drained the kool-aid jug completely, haven’t you?
Read this. And while you’re at it, read this. And before you start up on the UK, read this.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pmAWESOME!
well done, tombaker.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pmAnyone surprised that TRacist spends his Friday nights at a bowling alley?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:57 pmA rather odd question to pose just moments after you alerted us to your likely whereabouts two days hence.
Tracist, do you find yourself sometimes drifting in and out of consciousness?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pmMy dining room table is much smarter than that woman.
August 19th, 2009 at 12:59 pmTracy__5 says:
I don’t expect polite responsed from those who are not polite themselves.
(T)Racist, when your posts include insults such as “A typical pussy liberal prick I see.” you should expect no polite responses at all.
Don’t go away mad, just go the f_ck away, dill-weed.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:00 pmgive them hell Barney !!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pmTracy__5 says:
#164
“The problem with co-op is that it can’t contain costs.”
I don’t see a public option, code for single payer system, doing that either….unless you think that Medicare is cost effective.
Doesn’t your brain hurt, having all that b.s. crammed in there? Read it and weep.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Tracist, can I make a polite request?
If you’re going to reply to someone, do us all a favor and quote the statement you’re responding to, and not just the post number?
Frankly, it might be to your benefit, as few of us really care enough about what you have to say to bother scrolling back up to see the context of another inane comment of yours.
The way you do it now just makes you seem all the more incoherent.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pmMy dining room table is also smarter than the trolls here. Just go away already!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pmNo, endtable_5, YOU cite how cost-effective a $15 million/year insurance company CEO is.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pmTracy__5 says:
#173 “I’ll be at Bryan St. Pub this evening.”
What for?
To rearrange the furniture, I assumed.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pmTBA – the classiest of all the furniture. He’s a Louis XVI buffet if ever there was one.
hey good buddy. how’s the wight wing wage workin’ out for ya??
August 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pmHa ha, this from a guy who designs leaky buildings!
August 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pmDude, I came out of the Metro just the other day and was accosted by these people. They had a huge Obama Hitler sign and other signs talking about LaRouchePAC.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3620obama_revive_hitler.html
LaRouche: Obama Has Revived Hitler’s Genocide Program
Here is the poster.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pmhttp://www.larouchepac.com/files/media/obama.pdf
(warning PDF)
TBA, why do you support banning the further manufacture or use of toilets in America?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:10 pmTRacist is as sharp as a bowling ball and most likely just as dense.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pmNice, TBA – I see you’re going with the “booger wave” today, to try to provoke some people, make’em mad, whatever….
here’s the thing –
it doesn’t matter what you say.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThe Congressman gave the woman exactly the answer she deserved.
We noted above how Congressman Frank’s intellect, sharp wit and progressive values scare you regressives. It’s not a surprise that your basic homophobia emerges as a defense mechanism.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pmTracy__5 says:
#190
Cite how cost effective Medicare is.
I’m assuming that twacy is quietly reading the John Hopkins column I linked to. Right?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmThat does not mean the teabaggers aren’t doing it too.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmIs anyone surprised that TAKE BACK AMERICA TO THE FIFTIES is a virulent homophobe?
Many psychiatrists speculate that such homophobia is a reaction to subconscious homosexual tendencies in oneself.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmYou mean he really just wants to make out, Ralph?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pmTracy__5 says:
frequently here on Friday nights…
http://www.allenbowl.com/
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Tracist is easy to spot…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pmThe dining room table would have a higher IQ.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pmAs we now know, it those homosexual tendencies are not always just subconscious. I suspect TBA has done his share of toe tapping.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
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Interesting comment.
Not quite sure TBA thinks something like that will convince the undecided to support his side.
And there would appear to be a certain amount of underlying self-loathing and projection there, to boot…
Any further explanation, TBA?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pmI sure like Barney, nice of him to be so Frank…hehe…give em hell Barney.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:23 pmTracy?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pmLMAO!!…Tracist only wishes he were is such shape…me thinks there might be a gut hanging over belt on that one…
August 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pmQUESTION: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has expressly supported this policy? Why are you supporting it? [...]
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TAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Notice this disgusting fruitcake didn’t answer her question?
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There is no reasonable answer to such a silly, irrational question.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:26 pmfootstool 5, I’m sick of hearing you try to convince people here that you are an architect. You are not.
This is my field and I know from the things you say that you are at best a cad tech in an AEC firm. You really can’t fool people by blowing smoke.
I’m guessing that you are probably a janitor.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA reported for abuse.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pmTBA, I have to assume that you missed my question. To make it easier for you, I’ll repeat it here:
Why do you support banning the further manufacture or use of toilets in America?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pmAlejandro, I’ve suspected you were a right wing troll trying to pass as a super=progressive for a long time. Thanks for confirming that is true.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pmAlthough he can’t spell form, I’m gonna agree with him that republicans are nazi like.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:33 pmI sure can read, Tracy_5, and no where in that link that you provided did they describe a system such as the co-ops that some are trying to push. I never once stated that Germany has single-payer healthcare. I stated that they have universal healthcare. There is actually more than one way to do that. What they DO have is a system in which insurance premiums are based on income, paid for witha payroll tax, and provided by private insurers.
I don’t know what universe you have to be in to find that to be similar to the co-ops….but it’s not this one.
As for your quality of care argument…you’re going to have to prove that. You won’t be able to, because countries that have single payer have better quality of care than we do, as evidenced by their outperforming us on every measurement, including mortality rates among infants and adults, obesity rates, cost, life expectancy, even fertility rates. One would have to be willfully ignorant or intentionally deceitful to try to claim that we have a good system.
I know that the WHO hasn’t updated the list in quite some time. That doesn’t change what their findings were. Are you making the argument that our healthcare system has improved since then, because if you are, I would recommend that you get yourself to doctor fast. You’re at serious risk from suffocating, what with you head stuck that far up your ass and all.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Why do you claim government health insurance “nazi-like”?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmTAKE BACK AMERICA TO THE FIFTIES must think that mustaches are “Nazi-like”. Armbands are “Nazi-like”. Hating homosexuals is “Nazi-like”. So is hating liberals.
All “Nazi-like”.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmI didn’t think it was possible, but it seems Tracy ran out of lies.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pmNotice that TBA has not answered my question.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:39 pmFred I have to disagree with you.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pmThe Nazis had a plan.
TAKE BACK AMERICA says:
Government controlled heathcare is nazi-like. Any for of extreme fascism is nazi-like.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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If ensuring that every American has a guaranteed right to health care is Nazi-like, then I am proud to be a Nazi.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pmTechnically, you have it backwards. The Nazis were fascist-like.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pmI always figured him for a teabagger.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pmAlejandro says:
Dude, I came out of the Metro just the other day and was accosted by these people. They had a huge Obama Hitler sign and other signs talking about LaRouchePAC.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
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The LaRouche nutjobs have been peddling that crap at Foggy Bottom for decades. It doesn’t mean that every teabagger who liked the Obama=Hitler imagery and decided to grab a sign on the way to a town hall is a LaRoucher.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pmWell, Take Back America clearly doesn’t know what fascism is. No surprise, there.
Start here for the overview, scroll to the bottom where it lists the sources, then read them as well. Maybe by the time you make it through all the sources, you’ll have a clue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
August 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pmI see our little immature adolescent punk is showing his warped, sick personality type on the thread…
…nice going TAKE BACK AMERICA…keeping it classy.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pmchiroptera toasterhead says:
If ensuring that every American has a guaranteed right to health care is Nazi-like, then I am proud to be a Nazi.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Soon we may have to add “Nazi” to our monikers.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pmGood point. maybe Shoeless is more accurate in that nazi’s and republicans are both facist like.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pm“Frank slams protester comparing Obama to Hitler: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’’
Talking to that wingnut woman is like talking to the hand. Point well taken, Barney. Way to go!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pmG_d, I love Barney Frank!!!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pmMr. Frank your words cut like a knife. I LOVE IT!
Stupid repugs:
Just think how out of whack everything gets when the oil companies decided to raise gas prices.
Think about the dangerous it would be if auto insurance followed the healthcare principles of greed and denial of benefits. Only the rich, healthy would drive.
teabaggers are just lowly jerkoffs.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pmZooey says:
Soon we may have to add “Nazi” to our monikers.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Could work, though “chiroptera” has kinda grown on me.
I wonder if we could add the Unicode swastika to a screen name: 卐 I’d be up for that. If anyone objects, we’ll just tell them we’re invoking universal harmony…
August 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pmLet’s see if this works…
August 19th, 2009 at 2:16 pmBarney Frank just gained all sorts of respect from myself.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pmSKdeAnt says:
If the Dems were smart, they would make this clip into a TV ad.
So true.
We can place her dumbass in different scenarios like they did with this kid.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pmGame of Life,
Not really fair to the fat kid, but hilarious! Got a good laugh, thanks.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:36 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
In defense to all of the dinning room tables out there, they probably have more brains then this ignorant woman.
9-1-1 Please rush a brain out to this woman ASAP!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmTracy__5 says:
#38
You can’t prove that!!!! You’re a liar.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pmTake Back America?????? Are you a Native American Indian? What exactly have you lost since Barack Obama became President?
Do you mean the America of the last eight years? Eight years of fear, war, deregulation, unaccountability, borrow and spend, tax cuts for the wealthy, tax breaks for the corporations, illegal surveillance, intimidation, lies, corruption, cuts in social programs? Bigger government?
NO THANKS!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pmTracy__5 says:
#103
Phony right wing lies by the footstool. prove your lies you liar.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pmIsn’t it ironic that one of the rights arguments against a public option is that it would lead to health insurance companies to fold and many health insurance workers to lose their jobs BUT they didn’t care if the auto workers lost their jobs?
Can you smell the stench of HYPOCRISY?
August 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI bet if George W. Bush would have wanted a public option in our health care system all of these right wing idiots would have been all for it.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:55 pm“Tracist” …….LMAO!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:56 pmTracy__5 says:
#203
You are a liar and you can’t back that up. just try. That is if you are man enough.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pmTracy__5 says:
#212
No post something that proves Medicare is cost effective not compare it to profit driven medical insurance.
Goalposts moving again? I’m certainly not surprised. Also not surprised that you didn’t read the linked article.
“In fact, Medicare is very efficient by any objective means”
Apparently, though, you’re willing to concede that Medicare is more cost effective than profit-driven medical insurance. One has to wonder, then, what you’re attempting to prove, other than you don’t really care about much of anything.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pmWHY ARE REPUBLICANS AGAINST AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AND HEALTH INSURANCE FOR INFANTS, CHILDREN, THE SICK, THE ELDERLY, THE DISABLED, THE AMERICAN FAMILY?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pmRich H says:
Game of Life,
Not really fair to the fat kid, but hilarious! Got a good laugh, thanks.
:)
August 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm“No, endtable_5, YOU cite how cost-effective a $15 million/year insurance company CEO is.”
August 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmYou want to play 20 questions
August 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm— Sure but can we agree to leave out that stupid shit about the breadbox?
Tracy__5 says:
#203
That’s the most outrageous thing a human ever said and you are a pussy who can’t back it up.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pmfootstool__5 is a pussy who likes to ask stupid questions but refuses to answer any.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:16 pmbarney frank served that whore a smackdown, and she was too stupid to even realise it. notice how she happily held up her picture only to be laughed at and mocked by the people in her district. that is if she evewn lives in frank’s district and wasn’t bused in.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pmsomebody needs a good dusting with Lemony Pledge.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pmO/T, hey did you wingnuts see that 1350 GM workers were called back to work? Also that alot of them are going to be getting overtime. All because of that debacle by President Obama, you know,cash for clunkers. I believe doocey on fox and friends said it went bankrupt after four day`s. Most wingnuts and repugs were against it.Cash for clunkers has been a great success. Obama is trying so hard to do whats best for the American people. Repugs and wingnuts are acting like a bunch of kids who dont get their way,Please stop your whining.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pmBetter yet, hold your breath like children do when they dont get their way.Keep holding it though so the adults can get some things done.
this video ought to be sent to every democratic representative on how to run a townhall. notice how quickly the teabagger was shut up when called to task for her bullshit? the easiest way to defeat a bully it to put them on the defensive.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pmsscncturn64
I heard the dealerships were facing a crisis because they couldn’t keep enough cars on the lots because of the cash for clunkers program.
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Are you talking about the socialist health care program known as Medicade? What are you, a Nazi?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:37 pm“And just what planet do you live on Fwank? ”
he lives on the planet “shut the fcuk up teabagger”
August 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmnow, shut it, teabagger
You ignorant teabaggers make ron paul group look sane.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmOops, Medicaid. have to make sure I spell those Nazi programs correctly.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmTracy_5, that’s NOTwhat they are talking about when they talk about co-ops here. One could possibly consider what they have in Germany a co-op, but really what they have is one very large insured group, which drives down the costs because it spreads out the risk over a big pool of people, but coupled with that are STRICT regulations on the private insurers that make the costs possible. Take away the regulations, and they have something very similar to what our Congressmen have – government FUNDED insurance, but not government RUN insurance. Tax dollars pay the premiums for private healthcare.
What they are talking about in this country is NOT to be funded by tax dollars, and will not encompass the entire country, but they will be regional. In addition, they are not proposing regulations that have nearly the same veracity as what they have in Germany. The primary function of healthcare reform is to drive down costs. Co-ops won’t do that as they are being presented. Now if someone wants to get in there and overhaul that plan, have it include the entire country, and impose severe restrictions on the insurance companies, then we have something that can be worked with. As it stands, it’s not the same thing.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:43 pm“So when you can’t compete you should subsidize it at the taxpayers expense?”
you mean like the deals lipless mitch mc connell got for toyota in kentucky and shelby got for mercedes in alabama?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:43 pmi would much rather have my money given to american car manufacturers than foreign. why is it cancervatives hate american businesses?
Tracy_5..YES, HELL YES. 1350 AMERICANS called back to work. WTF don’t you understand?? Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and start giving a SHIT about your fellow Americans. Their families will be housed, fed and insured now that Mom and dad are back to work.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:45 pmI guess you don’t want to talk about Exxon and subsidies though, right?
August 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pmFinishing the post (I accidentally posted before I was finished).
In no reality do we have the best healthcare system in the world. A healthcare system does not include care and technology while excluding access and affordability. Even if it did, it would still be impossible to claim we have the best system, because we don’t really have a healthcare system, we have a disease treatment system. Very little attention is paid to preventative care, which can drive down costs quite a bit all on its own (but god forbid you suggest such things, telling someone that they are fat apparently steps on their right to eat until they can’t walk and we all get to pay their medical bills).
But that’s aside from the point. The fact that most people can’t afford healthcare (even the insured people would be surprised to learn what they have to pay out of pocket when they find themselves in the hospital, assuming their insurance doesn’t get canceled when something like that happens) immediately makes our system subpar without even looking at the rest of the faults. Innovation is crap nowadays – most pharmaceutical breakthroughs come from Europe.
The reality is that we could have a one-shot cure for cancer and AIDS and it still wouldn’t be the best system in the world if most people couldn’t get it or couldn’t pay for it.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pmI stopped making Uranus jokes somewhere around the third grade…
August 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pmUm… because it’s a big, complex, human system, that’s why. Is that supposed to be a serious question?
It’s weird how you guys insist that anything short of perfection for a single-payer system means it’s worthless, yet you defend our own system which is rife with similar or worse instances of abuse, incompetence and outright fraud, and which has the added bonus of costing twice as much per capita and delivering worse overall outcomes.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:52 pm311 but but but the socialism….
August 19th, 2009 at 3:55 pmYeah, but you’re not homophobic. You’re not overcompensating for something.
August 19th, 2009 at 3:56 pmAlso – Medicaid is administered on a state level, not a federal level, and is funded partially by the feds, partially by the states. It varies from state-to-state, and is not the same system as Medicare. Something else that varies about Medicaid – the number of people it covers. It is estimated that nearly 60% of the poor are NOT covered by Medicaid.
Summarily, Medicare is social insurance, Medicaid is social welfare.
Just thought I’d include that, if we’re going to bring Medicaid into this discussion.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:02 pmThen WTF are you talking about? Jeez, your own lies have made you completely incoherent.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pmshoeless, I think we got us a “chicken or the egg” situation here.
Have Tracist’s lies made him incoherent?
Or has his incoherence resulted in his lies?
It’s a conundrum.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pmGood question ralph. I can’t understand the mind of a pathological liar. He was babbling about some mystery program which gives the poor people health care, but it is not Medicaid, and it is not socialism.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Earth.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 pmTracy__5 says:
#118
Why don’t you answer the question you pussy?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:23 pmnot for footstool 5 but for others:
We don’t have something that can be worked with, that’s why we are going to change it.
Leave for profit at the door.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:27 pmHi conservative guy.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pmAre you still playing dump and run? Jesus that last one really stank. Please tell me you didn’t invest much thought into it…
Absolutely – It’s be much better to have someone who writes their own unlimited paycheck decide how much you should pay them, and what you’ll get in return.
That ought to work beautifully (for healthcare CEO’s, that is).
August 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pmBarney Frank says his piece in public, while his old nemesis Dick Armey is struggling to keep his part in the dissemination of healthcare disinformation off the radar. Who’s the sissy now, Dick?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:39 pmClassy, EndTable_5.
No wonder you’re such a popular phenomenon around here.
Elevate that discourse, you bad boy you.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:53 pmWell lets get in there and get this done, but leave the single payer system, i.e. the governement being the insurer at the door.
Have you not been following along this debate even a little? Single-payer never made it to the door. It’s not on the table, it’s not part of the debate, it’s not even on the list of potential options.
What is so difficult to understand about that?
You go ahead and get them to redo the co-op idea to make it feasible. It won’t happen. Don’t you get this yet? It doesn’t matter what the plan is, anything that will be successful is going to be opposed by the Republicans, because it has nothing to do with healthcare. All they are concerned with is a new third rail put in place by Democrats that they will never be able to touch and will not be able to take credit for. They know good and well that the people will see the Dems as those that give a damn about the poor and the Repubs as those that opposed the help the people desperately need, and that doesn’t translate to votes.
Certainly you’re not under the impression that our Republican Congressmen had your interests in mind, were you? If so, be advised – they don’t. They have THEIR interests in mind, and only their interests. That includes some Blue Dogs.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:53 pmawww darn,
does no one want to play “guess what i learned about architecture by reading Atlas Shrugged” with you.
you poor lil feller.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:54 pmLeave for profit at the door.
This, my friend, is the ONLY solution that will actually end up making a difference, and is the one restriction on insurers that they will NEVER be willing to pass as long as we have corporate sock-puppets in Congress.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSo Tracy, now you are for the Nazi program called Medicaid, and if not please tell us about this mystery program for the poor which is not socialistic, and is not Medicaid. I’m sure we are all dying to hear about it.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:24 pmWow, Tracy is just like Hitler. He is for the Nazi Medicaid program. Tracy is a communist too, because he loves socialized medicine.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:36 pmI know the difference between Medicaid and Medicare you fu(king a$$hole.
However, they are both socialized healthcare. If you are for them, you must be a communist Nazi, just like Hitler.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:41 pmTracy, try to focus. Are you for or against Medicare and Medicaid?
August 19th, 2009 at 5:45 pmI heard a wet “smacking” sound, and wailing, and thought a neighborhood kid was beating another with a wet towel. And what do I find? A stupid troll smacking his head till it’s just a sack of fluid. Sheesh!
August 19th, 2009 at 5:50 pmTracy answer the question. Are you for or against Medicare and Medicaid? It is a simple question. I am trying to make this easy for you.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:52 pmThe thing is, stupid troll, that fascism in Germany was different than the fascism in other countries because Hitler was a unique maniac. None of them fit the classical definition of “socialism” and the modern Democratic party has nothing in common with any of them, with the possible exception of coincidental and non-foundational similarities.
Frankly, if one can’t understand why it’s ridiculous to entertain conversation with someone who persists in making the comparison? Conversation is impossible.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:08 pmOK Tracy, let me explain something to you. Medicaid is pure unadulterated socialism, even more so than Medicare, and much more socialistic than the public option being pushed by President Obama. That means your own teabagging friends should consider you to be a Nazi, just as they do President Obama. Perhaps you should ask some of them why they consider you to be just like Hitler.
Oh, and I want you to call and write your Congressman and Senators, and go to theeir town hall meetings, and demand that they eliminate Medicare. Let’s see how works for the teabaggers.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmThe Democratic party used to have lots of racists, but they all became Republicans like you.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:13 pmThe Democratic party, for better or worse, is no more homogeneous Today than it’s ever been.
Frankly we need tighter “control”, though I prefer the word “regulation”, of the economy because the hands off approach nearly plunged us into a full-blown depression. And we aren’t out of the woods yet by any measure.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pmThanks for holding Tracist on this thread, y’all. ;)
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So, one is like Hitler if they are a good orator.
Wow, I never thought I’d read something so fukking stupid, but I suppose there’s a time for everything.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:22 pmTRIATHLON says:
August 19th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I’ll be kind and say that you really ought to be more sure of your facts and how they fit into the grand scheme of reality before posting something as monumentally stupid as that. Someone might read it and think that you were as stupid as what you wrote. And you wouldn’t want that, would you? Good luck in night school. Dare to dream of that GED.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:19 pmOOOOh, I knew if I hung around long enough the resident pussy Tracie would threaten to kick someone’s ass over the internets.
Little guy, do you even realize how fcking stupid it is to pretend to be a bad ass on a blog? What would happen if Mommy caught you? All this time she thought you were picking zits and whacking off, but here you are acting tough.
Eat shit btch. You are the poster child for ignorant rednecks.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:55 pmYou guys realize that the woman holding the sign was a democrat, right.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:09 pm359. TRIATHLON sez:… Well bloviated, if you like that sort of thing – that “talking to yourself” sort of thing.
Truly facile, but not terribly impressive. Compare and contrast is not analysis; it’s much closer to an argument by analogy and that is a very treacherous and defective method.
Nice of you, and various others, to pick out the 20th Century’s best uniformed villains as your verbal weapon de jour. I think it’s probably getting a little stale though.
And I’m not sure the religious conservatives who haven’t deserted you yet appreciate your use of the term “Messiah”. Allow me to remind you that in their lexicon, Messiah is a reserved word, not to be applied to a politician and human being.
The irony of the “protester” pushing a Democratic Jewish Congressman by calling his head of party a Nazi has not gone unnoticed. It was probably in bad taste; it was certainly stupid, as most name-calling turns out to be. It’s obvious that our capability for political dialogue hasn’t moved past the elementary school playground whining stage.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:10 pm358. kwsventures sez:… “I think Obama is more like Trotsky.”
My, you are an ignorant child, aren’t you? There isn’t an American politician alive who is comparable to Trotsky.
Obama might, MIGHT, turn out to be comparable to Kerensky, but even that’s a really big stretch. That would assume that we’re on the verge of a coup d’etat by the people opposed to Obama and the Democrats – kind of hard to do without a Lenin somewhere in sight.
August 19th, 2009 at 11:18 pmI think he just became my new hero. Show ‘em how it’s done, Barney!!
August 20th, 2009 at 1:28 amDon’t insult whores. That hag is far worse and stupider than any whore.
Bozo The Neoclown says:
August 20th, 2009 at 10:25 ambarney frank served that whore a smackdown
The intellectual dishonesty of the media never stops. Nobody bothers to report that this woman was a LaRouche DEMOCRAT. She was called Right Wing by several outlets.
Also, MSNBC reported about the guy showing up with the AR15 in Phoenix, and talked about the racism inherent at these meetings because of our black President….they guy with the AR15 was BLACK!!!
August 20th, 2009 at 11:00 amAre you the guy who does the graphics for Fox News, and keeps putting (D) after the name of corrupt perverted Republicans?
August 20th, 2009 at 11:52 amShoeless @ 362
Nah. FrackingWhiteHosedotGlub, my moniker for the troll who’s jacking around with “flag@…” isn’t the Faux graphics pervert. He’s the dolt that forgot to watch MSNBC last night when Keith and Rachel revealed that the whole thing with guns at the VFW event was a set-up by the arsehole that was interviewing the carriers, including the black dude with the M4 (or M4 clone – whatever).
Arsehole interviewer has ties to the old Viper Militia unit from Arizona, a number of whose members ended up in the federal calaboose as a result of the investigations following the OK City Federal Building bombing. As you may or may not recall, the Vipers didn’t tie into the McVeigh plot, at least provably, but they were in possession of some explosives and other stuff for which they weren’t licensed.
August 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWhere did they get this latest dodge, blaming LaRouche Democrats for the brownshirt tactics of the teabaggers? It must be something Limbaugh put in their empty skulls, because I have been hearing it from a lot of the zombie wingnuts.
August 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pm