New poll finds that 77 percent of Americans still support the public option.
New poll finds that 77 percent of Americans still support the public option.
In recent weeks, the fate of the public option in new health care legislation has been uncertain. Yet, while the issue continues to be hotly debated in the halls of Congress, a new poll by Survey USA finds that the idea is as popular as ever amongst the American public:
More than three out of every four Americans feel it is important to have a “choice” between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage, according to a public opinion poll released on Thursday.
A new study by SurveyUSA puts support for a public option at a robust 77 percent, one percentage point higher than where it stood in June.
The SurveyUSA poll finds similar results to several other polls that also show that the public option is very popular, a fact that some members of Congress consider to be a detriment.
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And well they should! 77% of the U.S. population is smart & sane!! The rest are inbred Repubs, it seems.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pmPlaster this stat all over the media outlets as if it were town-hall screamer coverage, and see if it sticks this time.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWell thats a number that has not changed as i believe thats were it was went this started.
Which makes me believe that ever thing else has been noise and confusion or obstructions.
We The People>>>>>>> Spoke up in NOV. 08 and now We The People need to be listen to
Why>>>>>>>>> cause WE are America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWait! Doesn’t the Publican Senate membership want 75 – 80 votes for healthcare reform? Why aren’t they looking at this 75-80 to make damned sure a strong public option plan is created??
August 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmFaux poll out today (kidding) shows 89% oppose reform…..they also believe the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese!
August 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWhen you peel away all of the craziness, it comes down to Americans needing a choice in Healthcare. It is not that difficult of a concept.
It will be interesting to see if this poll is mentioned on any of the networks.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWow. Who would’ve thought that 3/4 of this country wants to pull the plug on grandma…
August 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmYES – this just confirms that the screaming crazies are in the MINORITY! I hope the MSM shows the results of this poll and also continues to show those who are in favor of a public option!
August 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmIf anyone has the stomach for it (I sure dont) it would be curious to watch Fixed Noise today and tomorrow and see if the despicable scum there even mention this finding.
I hope these poll data are enough to give wavering Democrats a backbone. Ben Nelson has never had one but the others should.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmI’ve been posting for a little while on this site, so bear with me for MY story.
I’m 62 years old. A Vietnam Vet and a platoon leader, A Red Cross Volunteer, and finally retired early from working at our local food bank…I had to retire because I could not perform my normal activities because I have COPD (lung disease).
Today I was turned down for the third time in my effort to get health insurance. Do you think I’m a little “frustrated”? . I’ve worked hard my whole life and this is how I’m rewarded.
To see these freaking Repubs act like there is a conspiracy to a Government takeover for Health Insurance really ticks me off.
I’ll bet Limpball actually laughs out loud when he realizes how easy it is for him to bullshit his sheep of an audience.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmAre you getting care through the VA, Rick?
August 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pmJust waiting for Nate Silver to descend on a cloud and sort out all this mess for me…
August 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pmAll together now, loud and clear…DUH.
People in America (except the retarded 25%) are very tired of this health care for profit crap.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmYet we see a President and Democratic majority in the House and Senate ready to throw this all away. People wonder why I complain about the lack of backbone, organization and fighting spirit of the Democratic party. 77% of the public wants thiswhat more should be necessary. Indeed, we know that public support drops off the cliff if the public option is removed.
I am sick and tired of this phony desire for bi-partisanship. The evidence is clear that the Republicans have done nothing but obstruct from the very beginning of Obama’s term in office. This has gone far beyond letting the Republicans hang themselves. This is to the point of a total lack of guts on the Democrats part or fool hardy incompetence.
Our community needs to have a Come to Jesus discussion with the Democrats. Why? Because we either want them to stand up or destroy the party for something better. Gay rights, stimulus, executive comp caps and now on health care there has been nothing but a shameful retreat from positions that the Democrats and promised.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmtexasrick says:
Does the VA help you any Rick? I mean, you’re definitely eligible for the bennies.
I turned down employer healthcare when I worked for a living and used the VA almost exclusively. (I’m a teacher now–I don’t consider that ‘work’) ;)
August 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pmThis is very good news, anyway. The disease hasn’t spread.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pmtexasrick says:
handshake form one Vet to another Vet!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have to say JOB well Done my friend and brother!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pmThey hate MoveOn like we hate Drudge so the reaction will be predictable.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmJMOHR says:
I agree. Let the republicans sit on their collective a**es and ‘4rk’ ‘em. Pass the damned bill without them.
I know republicans don’t have a conscience, and I’m beginning to think they don’t have a soul either.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmWiley, Thanks,
August 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pmI have “looked” into it…a little, but as you can imagine my interest has greatly increased after today. Thanks for the reminder…
What is very interesting about this poll is that they worded the question exactly the same way the June WSJ/NBC poll was worded. That poll showed that 76% of Americans favored the public option. Then in their poll the other day, WSJ/NBC took the word “choice” out of their poll.
Here’s how they worded it in the June poll:
34a. In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance”"extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?
Here’s how they worded it in the poll the other day:
9. Would you favor or oppose creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies?
This poll came up with 43% in favor and 47% opposed. This is a perfect example of how to skew a poll.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmAmericans pay nearly TWICE as much for Medical Care as any other Industrialized Country… rank near the BOTTOM in Health Care Outcomes…have 50 Million Uninsured and another 50 Million Underinsured.
WHY?? Bad luck??
NO …its because a Lot of people are making A lot of Money off of things the way they are. And those ,who have the power to change things, enjoy Excellent Health Care at the Public Expense.
These facts have caught up with 77 % of the Public. People under 65 want the same choices as those over 65.
Democrats…Just Do it.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pmBut the media keeps telling me no one wants it. Who should I believe? /sarcasm
August 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pmThe WSJ/NBC poll did ask, once again, about political affiliation. In the June poll 21% called themselves Republicans, in the poll the other day only 20% called themselves Republicans. Not looking good for them!
August 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pmWell, expect more intense opposition, from Boucher and other Blue Dogs/Republican’ts, to the public option because it’s so popular with the public.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pmThe devil went down to congress needing a soul to steal he hit the jackpot cause there was all these repug crackpots and well it was to dam easy.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pmand we all know the rest of the story
Veterans should receive no better care than any other US citizen. They should receive more specific care as their needs are different but every US Citizen should receive the health care they need. We don’t need the VA if we have health care for everyone. We don’t need Medicare or Medicaid, we need US Health Care.
Quit the discrimination and take care of everybody…period.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pmAnd now a word from our Congresscritters and Senators -
LALALALA BLAH BLAH BLAH LALALALA WE CAN’T HEAR YOUUUUU LALALALALA
August 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pmUm, where do you get 77%?
Linking through to the actual poll results:
Question six. HERE is the question in question.
Basically, do you favor the Obama plan?
Yes = 51%
August 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pmNo = 43%
Not sure = 6%
MOE = +/- 2.9%
Throughout the past 8yrs, Bush had 20 to 25% solid support from right wing nuts. Now 77% support the public option. That explains everything. It’s a shame this 23% minority is getting more voice in the media and enjoying more political power than the rest of the country.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pmtexasrick – In case you didn’t know, that being a Vietnam war vet you CAN get care at your local VA, even if you only did 2 years, you are still allowed to use the VA.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmBilbo…do you have a link to that polling information? I would like to cram it down the throat of a few nitwits I know including my conspiracy-theorist Repignican sister. Thank you.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI don’t understand how 79% of those surveyed “Strongly Favor” Obama’s plan and 86% “Strongly Oppose” the plan. How does that make sense?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmHey WatchBlob – don’t you have a couple dozen double quarter pounders with cheese and multiple orders of fries to choke on?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:04 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Alejandro@29:
The article is based on Question 2, not Question 6.
From the Survey USA poll:
Question 2: “In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance–extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?”
Question 6: “Now I am going to tell you more about the health care plan that President Obama supports and please tell me whether you would favor or oppose it. The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middle-incomes would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans. Do you favor or oppose this plan?”
Essentially, the American people support a Public Option (#2) more than helping families and regulating the insurance industry (#6), according to the questions posed. But Question #2 was definitely the highlighted statistic for this article.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWith the swish of a pen the Dems could give single payer to every citizen in the US today. Dems could add three trillon dollars toward health care by diverting stolen insurance co money to a health care program. This will be the end of Dem Party if they don’t get a public option. Hope the figure it out.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pmWhere are the trolls on this?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pmThey are out posing with guns…?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:11 pmwatchdog says:
99% oppose the plan!
Can you read, watchdog?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmEven in your surveyUSA poll 51% approve of the plan… that’s a majority.
79% of those who favor, do so strongly
86% of those who oppose, do so strongly
Ah. Thanks for clearing that up.
Gotta love leading questions.
If they would have asked “Do you support…” instead of “How important do you feel it is to give people a choice…” they would have gotten different results.
This is why most polls are crap.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pmJust another example that, despite the opposition growing louder and more irrational, they are not growing in number.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pm99% oppose your plan, benchdog.
still hasn’t soaked in that your “conservative” movement is a thing of the past, has it??
August 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pmHey, Tapeworm – on the question before that 99%, approve of the plan.
Come on, fatboy, you can do better than that, get back to eating yourself to death.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
That should read: 51% approve of the current plan (as the article points out 77% are in favor of a public option of some type)
August 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmWe need the public option, we want the public option. They need to listen to us, and not the insurance companies. This is all about money. The insurance companies make huge profits in an inefficent system, and they wish to continue. They are the people that deny health care, not someone from the government. Stop the corporate greed. Let’s have a public option.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
small employers have already given up.
no small companies where i live offer healthcare.
i have my own business and have no affordable option for my own family.
this is the new, neo-feudal america – if you’re not sleeping with, kissing the ass of, or related to some economic royalty, you get nothing.
it’s easier for dumb people to organize themselves around monarchs, than to live free, with all the hard decisions and responsiblity that go with it.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pmRegardless of how a poll is worded, the Bushco/Repub dead-enders are known to be around 20-25%, therefore a positive for health reform would reasonably be between 75-80%. Even subtracting for undecideds, thats still an overwhelming MAJORITY.
Peace :)
August 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pmYou want it? You pay for it.
But leave me out of it.
Umm, that ain’t how a nation works.
Nobody gets by completely ‘on their own.’
We’re all in this together, learn to deal with it.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pmAlejandro says: watchdog says:
so lets take a poll here there seems to be enough people who post here>>>>>>>>>>>
i bet we get to that 70% mark for public option before the 2 of you could get to your 99 and 100% oppose mark>>>>>
August 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pmI’m sure there will be some opt-out provision, Alejandro. I fully support your right to do such a thing.
Just make sure you have a large savings account and don’t get sick or injured.
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belaccifer lacca says:
You want it? You pay for it.
But leave me out of it.
Umm, that ain’t how a nation works.
Nobody gets by completely ‘on their own.’
We’re all in this together, learn to deal with it.
So true they all for patriotism until you tell them the true meaning of the word and that the letters USA really mean UNITED STATES of AMERICA>>>>>>
and the three words WE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA
August 20th, 2009 at 6:35 pmHa ha, it works like this. If you don’t have insurance and you go to the hospital, the public option would pay for it.
Obama: Don’t worry, it’s covered.
Alejandro: SOCIALISM! YOU’RE FORCING ME INTO YOUR PLAN!
Obama: Hey man, you didn’t have to go to the hospital.
Alejandro: I WANTED TO SKATE ON THE BILL! I DON’T WANT IT PAID!
Obama: Well, the hospital needs to cover their costs fairly, so the public option will do that.
Alejandro: YOU’RE TRAMPLING MY FREEEDOM!
August 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Pilotshark, don’t waste your time with someone like Alejandro. He already told us, he has insurance, so “F” everybody else. His idea of America is, I got mine, so screw you.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:42 pmangels81 says:
August 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pmYes he is a sad little troll and his puppy as well.
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Alejadro says:
You just made my point. We really are a smart one aren’t we?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:50 pmAlejandro says:
Then let’s make the whole world a nation. We could have a single global government and then everyone would have free healthcare, food, education! That’s brilliant!
Who do you think will be the first Global Supreme Leader?
We could have a slogan sorta like E Pluribus Unum, but catchier.
I know! Ein Volk, Ein Welt, Ein Führer!
Well, now your being silly… yes, saying that Americans have a responsibilty to other Americans is EXACTLY like asking for one world government and making Hitler proud… /sarc
(insert eye roll here) You are silly, alejandro.
Alejandro, are you willing to pay for EXACTLY the amount of infrastructure you personally use from now on?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pmRepublicans proved themselves to be incompetent – thank god.
It will only get worse now.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pmAlejandro says:
August 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
How do you know that? The bill is not finalized.
Since you have insurance, and can keep it, why are you upset?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:54 pmAlejandro says:
angels81 says:
Pilotshark, don’t waste your time with someone like Alejandro. He already told us, he has insurance, so “F” everybody else. His idea of America is, I got mine, so screw you.
No. It’s not “Screw you.” It’s “Hey stop screwing me.”
August 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pmWhat are you talking about? though you had your insurance,so how are you getting screw again? is it because you would have to be like a decent person and a real american?
and have you lived here in the USA your hold life?
cause if you do then i am afraid to tell you some thing there has been plenty of Americans that lay down there life’s you know the supreme sacrifice so you can have that freedom of being a dumb sh!!!t.
you know if your brains were fuel you would not have enough fuel to do a figure 8 in a cheerio hole.
Republicans are terr’ists – they just want to be the most powerful of all terr’ists.
For now they appear to be limited to political terrorism, but that can change – political terrorism is a precursor to violent terrorism.
August 20th, 2009 at 6:56 pmAgain, Alejandro, this is a discussion about the public option. Every time there is a discussion about health care, you attempt to make it a discussion about taxation.
Look, we get it – you think income taxes are “theft” or “immoral” or some such thing. Whatever. This is about health care and I couldn’t give a damn whether or not you like paying your taxes. Who cares?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:59 pmwatchdog says:
What a train wreck of a poll! they had to really mud up the question to get the result they wanted.
watchdog says:
Here’s one of the questions.
Now I am going to tell you more about the health care plan that President Obama supports and please tell me whether you would favor or oppose it. The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middle-incomes would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans. Do you favor or oppose this plan?
Simple enough? right?
You really are a trainwreck of dogshit little puppy dog.
HR3200 says:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c11155gxAW:e27253:
The question asked is quite honest and well worded. If you could only have the capability to KNOW HOW TO READ, even a mongrel like you could understand. But even mongrels have more intelligence than you.
Without this healthcare plan, how will you be able to rid yourself of that tapeworm problem you have been experiencing?
*Disclaimer:
No mongrels have been harmed in the making of this post.*
August 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pmwatchdog says:
99% oppose the plan!
99% of TP knows you’re an idiot.
From your link little tapeworm victim:
Now I am going to tell you more about the health care plan that President Obama supports and please tell me whether you would favor or oppose it. The plan requires that health insurance companies cover people with pre-existing medical conditions. It also requires all but the smallest employers to provide health coverage for their employees, or pay a percentage of their payroll to help fund coverage for the uninsured. Families and individuals with lower- and middle-incomes would receive tax credits to help them afford insurance coverage. Some of the funding for this plan would come from raising taxes on wealthier Americans. Do you favor or oppose this plan?
Favor: 51%
Oppose 43%
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693
So where are you getting the 99% from?
You didn’t like what you saw so you come in here and make shit up although your own link contradicts everything you say?
Who are you trying to fool little puppy?
August 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pmDid I hear your master yell “FETCH THE STICK”?
August 20th, 2009 at 7:09 pm#29 Al, Q#2. Q#2. Q#2.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pmLook at question number TWO Al, not six Not SIX NOT 6.
Alejandro says:
The people who don’t have insurance can take the plan.
Why am I given a choice of PAY UP or GO TO JAIL?
For the same reason you pay for the Fire Department and the Police. It would cost you less than it’s costing now, if we all do it together. I can’t afford the current system any more. Neither can most Americans.
If you want to live without having to chip in with anybody else for anything, then move to Antarctica. And good luck with that.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pmA recent poll by NADFL finds that Obamacare is favored by 100% of US citizens. Town Hall opposition videos are actually out-takes from a documentary that Michael Moore and Oliver Stone are producing.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:35 pmCheck out this awesome slideshow explaining the entire health care situation in clear, easy-to-understand drawings. It’s incredibly informative.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pmWhew…tonight, I have a lot upon my mind…concerning Americans without jobs, the ability to have decent Health Care…and why we can not.
Corporate Monopolies have not delivered “better products”…they now OWN your last choices of what you purchase, whether it be what you watch, the staples you buy and what you eat. “Corporates” have sealed their pact worldwide, and you haven’t a clue as to what is in the food they are selling.
Example: Look at what the past 15 or more years that the “world wide trade agreements” (I.E. “New World Order”) has delivered this Nation:
Toys filled with toxic crap (including lead, arsenic, etc….). for the sake of profit for the shareholders (and NOT for your family). We are subjugated to poisonous products such as Christmas Tree Lights and Ornaments imported from China…labeled with warnings about LEAD exposure…something we as Americans decided were a Health Hazard long ago. The Corporates have decimated our once powerful manufacturing base. Now, just about, any meaningful manufacturing job has been outsourced to countries that could not care less about what is safe or poisonous. We have no (or little) choice left but to become exposed to, once again, poisonous crap…but, hey…it’s CHEAP, right?
When you no longer have gainful employment and income…cheap doesn’t matter much.
We (the Greatest Nation and Lone Superpower) have tried to eliminate these poisons from exposure to our children, ourselves, our unborn, and our food chain…and they are now coming back, disguised as a inexpensive staple.
It’s called “exploitation”, or for a better analogy …”outsourcing slavery”… all for CHEAP GOODS.
Why?
PROFIT.
The insidious part of it all is Corporations and shareholders do not care about your health, or the poisons they are “re”importing …it’s just PROFIT.
For those of you who once upon a time had a guaranteed PENSION and were enticed into “401k plans”…how is that working for you now?
Imagine if George W. had succeeded in getting you to “op-out” of Social Security and “investing ” your last pittance of a retirement cushion into Wall Street? What would you have left now?
August 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmThe Corporates have won, up until now…but I STILL have HOPE things will change.
From the Onion, this bit of Comedy with a twist of truth…
WASHINGTON—After months of committee meetings and hundreds of hours of heated debate, the United States Congress remained deadlocked this week over the best possible way to deny Americans health care.
“Both parties understand that the current system is broken,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Monday. “But what we can’t seem to agree upon is how to best keep it broken, while still ensuring that no elected official takes any political risk whatsoever. It’s a very complicated issue.”
August 20th, 2009 at 8:25 pmAlejandro:
Freedom isn’t free.
You get to live in the greatest country in the world. You get to say what you want, worship whatever you want, assemble freely. You get to walk the streets and ride the roads of a big beautiful nation where more people of more different cultures and ethnicities live together in peace. You get a vote in determining the course of government.
You don’t get to keep all your money.
Sorry.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pmFunny, I talk with people all the time and have yet to meet one who is in favor of any kind of public option. Most of those I talk to voted for Obama
August 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pmNew poll finds that 77 percent of Americans still support the public option.
damn good thing those republican pols and blue dog DINOs don’t listen to the American People, I mean polls; that they, being superior to most Americans know what is best for all those simple Americans.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pmmarine73 says:
August 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Funny, I talk to people all the time and have yet to meet one is not in favor of the public option. Those I talk to are a mixture of people who voted for McCain and Obama.
I guess my people cancel out your people, marine73.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pmmarine73,
How many of those you’ve met are in favor of the status quo???
IMHO, it’s only funny if you aren’t facing a serious health care crisis.
Fox news and the republicans have done their BEST to convince Americans that the “Public OPTION” is government taking control of the health care system. With such misinformation out there, I’m Not surprised you got the response you did.
August 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pmmarine73, you need to get out more. Talking to mom and dad don’t count.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pmI just took a poll for myself to find out where the REAL Americans stood on health care….1st question: Do you support health care with the public option? 37% said yes! Then I ask: Do you support health care with the public option if we throw in a free all-day-sucker after a free flu shot. 47% said yes! Last question: Do you support the public option with the FREE all-day-sucker AND if we add a pair of FREE sneakers from NBC and 57% said YES! There you have it……shoes and suckers make Obama a happy man as he can now say that with the help of NBC he is a successful corporate businessman.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:18 pmmarine73 says:
Funny, I talk with people all the time…
Well there’s a trustworthy poll for ya… sheesh! Is this what passes for “logic” in your trailer park?
I talked to ten-thousand-and-one McCain voters, and every last one of them said that while they’d accept a public option, they’d much prefer single-payer. So I guess I win, huh?
August 20th, 2009 at 9:22 pmAlejandro says:
Do you know how to READ? The question was question 2 how important do you think it is to have a choice between a public option and a private option and if you add extremely important 58% and very important 19% you get 77%. I dont know how much simpler anyone could possibly make it
August 20th, 2009 at 9:53 pmdebbi…..what about me?
August 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pmAlejandro says:
Oh NO. It doesnt work that way. We make democratic decsions and we all pay for it. I would have LOVED to say the same thing about the Iraq war. I didnt get the choice and YOU dont get the choice either.
August 20th, 2009 at 9:58 pmnofreelunch says:
It wont work. Changing your name wont work. Your posts will still go to the sewer and you STILL wont get to beg us for anymore pity. The game is over. We know you are stupid and pathetic but there is no pity for you. Gets some self respect and stop begging already. You have embarassed yourself enough already
August 20th, 2009 at 10:02 pmSure. Try leaving your mommys basement. I am sure people you meet in PUBLIC will not be the subhuman morons that congregate at YOUR house.
August 20th, 2009 at 10:03 pmBecause you’re an @sshole and we’re all out to get you, your money or preferably both?
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August 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pmMy dad is a disabled vietnam vet. Retired from the VA Hospital (25+ years in Medical Administration). My mom has worked with numerous hospitals through her long career as a medical transcriptionist. Both of them are VEHEMENTLY opposed to the public option and all the other currently proposed health care reform. I haven’t discussed it in depth with them, but I trust their point of view based on their experiences, and mine growing up as their son. They are smart and reasonable people. I would also venture to say that their point of view is NOT the minority.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:14 amIt’s been unbelievable reading the blogs on YouTube, but yes, the tide is turning.
I’ve asked, and nobody can answer this basic question:
How can you defend health insurance which skims 20% off the top of $2,400,000,000,000 and delivers healthcare 37th in quality, forces someone into bankruptcy every 30 seconds, leaves 1/3 of our population uninsured, excludes pre-existing conditions, kicks you out at the slightest chance if you need coverage, and encourages sickness and drugs rather than preventative health?
Nobody ANYWHER can answer the above question; instead they call names, spew hatred, threaten revolution, say unspeakable things about our leaders, quote blatant lies, and spread fear and hatred.
I understand health insurance is spending about $1.3 million a DAY in negative propaganda and lies (unverified — that actually sounds too low). The funny thing is, they seem to have a select group of a few hundred (or less) VERY vocal critics on YouTube, who use a variety of screen names to say the same exact nonsense. But NONE OF THEM can justify why they are for the insurance racket. They can only spout hatred and lies.
They are like storybook demons from hell trying to convince you that heaven is not for you — join them in the filth, fire and brimstone. But they can’t tell you WHY.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:18 amPaulMorphy says:
You would be WRONG it IS the minority position. My sister is an RN. She has been for fifteen years and she is all for a public option and would prefer single payer. I KNOW her to be intelligent and compassionate. So MY anecdotal evidence cancels out yours.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:21 amHow can you defend health insurance which skims 20% off the top of $2,400,000,000,000
No citation for this source but of course, you are not “required” to use one particular insurance company. There are many to choose from and the vast majority are happy with their coverage. In fact, I have never heard of anybody being turned down for health care in the USA. Any illegal or legal alien, money or no money, can walk into any hospital and be treated for FREE. I’ve never seen ANYONE denied care. And next time you see a homeless bum pass out on the street, see how long it takes for an ambulance to come wailing up the street to take the guy up to the hospital. — We already have free care for all…
and delivers healthcare 37th in quality,
This is a canard. People come to the USA for the best care — no country in the world has better. And in fact the older you are, the better off you are in the USA…try looking up the statistics on this one (Mark Steyn wrote a good article on this recently)
forces someone into bankruptcy every 30 seconds, leaves 1/3 of our population uninsured, excludes pre-existing conditions, kicks you out at the slightest chance if you need coverage, and encourages sickness and drugs rather than preventative health?
Many people on this website seem to live under the delusion that it is the responsibility if someone other than themselves, to take care of their health. If you get sick, I don’t think its fair that I should have to pay for it…and I certainly don’t think you should pay for mine…
Nobody ANYWHER can answer the above question;
I just answered each of the above comments, and they are all very reasonable answers, regardless of whether you like what I wrote.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:28 amFor centuries the elitist have always been able to get the serfs riled up into a frenzy and this health care issue is just another way to do it,in the end we will have either reform when it comes to denying claims,rescission,pre-existing conditions or being dropped from coverage just before you need it or we have a public option.The SHEEPLE are more than ignorant they are dispicable morons for letting themselves get dissed………you guys need to read Milt Shooks vs Mann Coulter article at please cut the crap.typepad.com it`s good.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:35 amPaulMorphy I always thought your kind was very pro business because health care in this country cost twice as much as anywhere else in the industrialized world or that by us spending $1trillion dollars to save $7trillion over a ten year period vs private health insurance $30 trillion costs over a ten year period, at what price do we finally stop 18,000 Americans dying each year for lack of health care,or don`t you care about all of the mothers,father,daughters and sons that have to die for these obscene profits the Health Care industry makes off of all of us including yourself and don`t forget the obscene salaries for the CEO`s.We would all rather pay higher taxes for health care than pay the same amount for private where you the patient are a monetary value based on medical cost ratio`s.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:48 amWE WANT CHOICE, WE WANT CHOICE………………..
August 21st, 2009 at 12:51 amPaulMorphy says:
My dad is a disabled vietnam vet…
Again, argiing from personal experiences fails. Besides, they wouldn’t know anything about the public option because it’s nothing like the VA system. And the VA system works great when Republicans don’t slash the funding for it. You’d know that if you weren’t lying about who your parents are.
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PaulMorphy says:
In fact, I have never heard of anybody being turned down for health care in the USA.
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To quote Biggie smalls, “if ya don’t know, now ya know!”
Guess you can’t claim that any more, huh?.
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PaulMorphy says:
And next time you see a homeless bum pass out on the street, see how long it takes for an ambulance to come wailing up the street to take the guy up to the hospital. — We already have free care for all…
Would be a lot cheaper if they could have gotten the preventive care that would have avoided those emergencies, huh? Wouldn’t it? Moral arguments aside, we’re spending in the most wasteful way possible.
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PaulMorphy says:
This is a canard. People come to the USA for the best care — no country in the world has better.
Your mom’s a canard. What that is, is from a ranking of all nations by the World Health Organization. 36 other nations provide better care, with France at the top. That is a fact.
Some people also leave the USA to get the best care; rich people go to the best hospital for what they need, wherever that may be in the world. Sometimes that means coming here, sometimes it means going from here to somewhere else. Unless you’ve got a fairly gathered statistic, you ain’t got squat.
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PaulMorphy says:
Many people on this website seem to live under the delusion that it is the responsibility if someone other than themselves, to take care of their health. If you get sick, I don’t think its fair that I should have to pay for it…and I certainly don’t think you should pay for mine…
I pay for a fire department to put out your house when it is on fire. That’s both so I don’t have to live in a world where every other block is scorched to the ground, and to reduce the chances of my house catching on fire. Also because I’m a decent person.
You are an evil person who wants the rest of the world to suffer. Therefore your opinion is of no merit whatsoever.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:03 amPaul Morphy
NO it is NOT a canard that is the WHO rankings of quality. We are 37th. Just because you dont LIKE facts doesnt CHANGE those facts. Now talk about a canard. Where is the evidence of this wholesale coming to the US of people for healthcare that the right always talks about? Sure if you are RICH Johns Hopkins is about as good as it gets but working class peole are NOT leaving Europe and coming to the US for healthcare and guess what YOU arent going to Johns Hopkins anyway. Also WHY is it so good? The HUGE amount of government subsidies for their studies and reseach MIGHT have something to do with it,
YOU seem to be under the DELUSION that we are FORCED to live in your fantasy Randian economic Darwinism. We are NOT. We CAN decide that we are all in this together like we did when we enacted SS and again when we started Medicare. If YOU dont like it you can go live on an Island and take all your libertarian friends so we can watch you re-enact the Lord of the Flies.
No you didnt really answer them you gave excuses for them and for why you DIDNT answer them
August 21st, 2009 at 1:11 amPaul. It is a LIE that everyone can get healthcare. Everyone gets STABALIZED. IF they need ongoing treatment they cannot afford, they get stabalized sent home and they DIE. If they need a transplant they dont even get put on the LIST unless they can pay for it so they DIE 18,000 Americans per year die of lack of access to healthcare a stat cited so often if you are even MARGINALLY informed on this issue you KNOW that or you have made certain to AVOID THE FACTS.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:16 amIf people had not been brainwashed by Big Brother Government being led by Emporer Obama, they would know better than to support a Government Option to anything. There is nothing that the Government has sponsored that hasn’t gone bankrupt!
August 21st, 2009 at 1:21 amThe Government could easily change the rules to permit intrastate purchase of health insurance, lowering costs; there could be implimented rules that insurance companies cannot deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, and you could have extensive tort reform to lower medical costs, and get rid of illegals from using up emergency rooms for cases of the sniffles, at our expense. None of the fix-its need a Government Option.
So why the Government Option? To take over Health Care, Socialize it, and have one more things to rule over, and control our lives. No Country with public option Government-run health care is without rationing, especially with the elderly, without horrible waiting for immediately needed health care, MRI’s, tests, critical medication, exams, etc. Just look at Canada, the UK, France…all with inferior health service to the USA.
The only fix the Government offers is the fix of freebies for the mostly lazy Americans who don’t want to work and make health care a serious priority! The Dems are about power over us, and using hand-outs to weaken us and make us more dependent on them. It’s a spiral to mediocrity, kills incentive, free enterprise, jobs, and growth. Once you are in its grip, you are doomed, and can’t go back. There is always a place for the truly indigent due to no fault of their own to get medical and emergency help. The rest can, if they want, get help on their own.
Any more give-away programs will bankrupt us, and the rich will eventually flee, and take their businesses and jobs elsewhere, and we will become a two bit Country. If 70 % of the Country wants that, and doesn’t get it…what’s really going down, then its proof that we are dumbed down, and deserve what we get. I just hope when all the dumb young people who voted for Emperor Obama, the novelty act, when they are old and really need a hip replacement, they won’t mind when the best they get, as Obama promised, is a pain pill.
DNVigerJr says:
The projection of YOU talking about someone ELSE being brainwashed is just precious. You do KNOW you are a brainwashed moron dont you? Our government went to the moon when NO one believed it could be done. It created the most dominant military in the history of the world. Rural electrification and the highway system set the basis for an economic golden age. America started listening to morons like YOU and we stopped investing in America as selfish weasels like YOU tried to change our national motto to MINE, MINE, its all MINE.
You are stupid and my braincells would commit mass suicide if I took apart ALL the stupid in your posts bit by bit. However emergency medical care is NOT in any way HEALTHCARE. All they have to do is stabalize you which is fine for a gunshot but if you need ongoing treatment you cant afford you go home and DIE. If you need a transplant you cant afford you DIE 18,000 Americans per year DIE of lack of access to healthcare. I suggest you stop embrassing yourself showing how ignorant you are and just STFU till you have at least some dim idea what you are talking about and I dont mean by that memorizing the vomit Rush TOLD you to believe.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:35 amDNVigerJr says:
If people had not been brainwashed by Big Brother Government being led by Emporer Obama, they would know better than to support a Government Option to anything.
Bad words I don’t like! Bark bark!
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DNVigerJr says:
There is nothing that the Government has sponsored that hasn’t gone bankrupt!
Except for everything. You have no examples, nor can I think of any.
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DNVigerJr says:
The Government could easily change the rules to permit intrastate purchase of health insurance, lowering costs…
Man, remember how awesome that worked out for the investment banks? Oh wait…
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DNVigerJr says:
…and you could have extensive tort reform to lower medical costs…
You mean to take away peoples’ right to sue doctors who don’t deserve their license.
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DNVigerJr says:
…and get rid of illegals from using up emergency rooms for cases of the sniffles, at our expense.
Just the sniffles? Or are we to stack their rotting corpses in the street? Never mind, we already know your answer to that one.
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DNVigerJr says:
To take over Health Care, Socialize it, and have one more things to rule over, and control our lives.
You know what, nobody gives a crap about controlling your life. You aren’t that important. We’re trying to make things better for everybody else. You’re trying to stop us. We love America. You hate it.
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No Country with public option Government-run health care is without rationing, especially with the elderly, without horrible waiting for immediately needed health care, MRI’s, tests, critical medication, exams, etc. Just look at Canada, the UK, France…all with inferior health service to the USA.
Rankings from the WHO:
1. France
18. United Kindom
30. Canada
37. United States
So, you are factually wrong.
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DNVigerJr says:
…for the mostly lazy Americans who don’t want to work…
Why do you hate Americans so much?
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DNVigerJr says:
…voted for Emperor…
I’m just going to stop right there. You are somewhere far South of stupid.
August 21st, 2009 at 2:03 am77% want public health care, but 0% want to pay for it.
August 21st, 2009 at 2:49 amIf anyone except the people on welfare, think their health care will be paid for by someone else, they are in for a shock!
mhudd says:
I am not sure if you are trying to make a point or are just rambling incoherenly like my really old uncle whe he hears one of those words or phrases he just doesnt like. I can tell you that I already have health care. Very GOOD health care. If I need a heart trasplant my insurance will pay for it. My late wife got three month supplies of interferon for 15 bucks. I am willing to pay MORE. I am willing to see my taxes go up so that EVERYONE can have healthcare at least as good as mine.
August 21st, 2009 at 4:06 amAlejandro says:
The people who don’t have insurance can take the plan.
Why am I given a choice of PAY UP or GO TO JAIL?
August 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
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Cause that’s how it is. If you want the benefits of a free society, you have to pay for it.
August 21st, 2009 at 7:56 amPaul. It is a LIE that everyone can get healthcare.Everyone gets STABALIZED. IF they need ongoing treatment they cannot afford, they get stabalized sent home and they DIE.
August 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pmIf they need a transplant they dont even get put on the LIST unless they can pay for it so they DIE 18,000 Americans per year die of lack of access to healthcare a stat cited so often if you are even MARGINALLY informed on this issue you KNOW that or you have made certain to AVOID THE FACTS.
But again, your premise is flawed — You are a priori assuming that individuals have the RIGHT to be treated by a health care professional — it is incorrect.Like it or not, you have NO constitutional right to medical treatment in the USA. Not only that, you would be happy to trample EVERYONE’s constitutional rights by enacting an opressive system that forces people to pay for someone else. If you feel that humans should be given care, you can donate your time and money of your own free will — you can even get to gether with your friends and create a charity or a free clinic, or a foundation if you like — but stop trying to force everyone else to do it. Furthermore, your are also quite naive to believe that governments enact socialized health care systems for compassionate and altruistic reasons — under such a system, you will soon find that your state run care is no more concerned about helping people than the insurance companies. In fact, the care will be worse, because the state institution will be under no pressure to perform efficiently due to competition –their only interest will be reducing costs.
It is incorrect to say 77% of SurveyUSA respondents support the public option. They support the CHOICE between a public option and private insurance. Big difference.
August 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmPaulMorphy says:
No Paul. That is a particularly STUPID talking point. Article 1 specifically gives Congress authority to levy taxes to provide for the common defense and the general wellfare. What that means is a democraric decision. It if FLATLY STUPID to claim it is unconstitutional for the gov to provide healthcare. They already do so with Medicare. I know Rush TOLD you to think this so you are obligated to pretend it makes sense but in fact it is utter moronity. By the ignorant and specious logic the right is using to say this. Highways, rural electrification, the CDC, the Air Force, FBI, small busineess administration the FDA and much more would be unconsitutional and we would live in a third world country. Do yourself a favor. Stop regurgitating the idiocy you have been brainwashed with its stupid
August 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm