Grassley Blames Obama For Making Him Say That Health Care Reform Would ‘Pull The Plug On Grandma’
Grassley Blames Obama For Making Him Say That Health Care Reform Would ‘Pull The Plug On Grandma’
Earlier this month, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) came under fire for telling Iowans that they were right to “fear” that the federal government would “pull the plug on grandma”:
“In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said. “You have every right to fear. You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before. Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma.“
Today on CBS’s Face the Nation, Grassley struggled to explain why he made that statement. Clearly uncomfortable with the question, Grassley stumbled over his words and even blamed President Obama for his word choice. He said that even though he knew the House bill “doesn’t intend to” kill senior citizens, he felt that he had a responsibility to nevertheless play to those fears:
GRASSLEY: I said that because — two reasons. Number one, I was responding to a question at my town meetings. I let my constituents set the agenda. A person that asked me that question was reading from language that they got off of the Internet. It scared my constituents. And the specific language I used was language that the president had used at Portsmouth, and I thought that it was — if he used the language , then if I responded exactly the same way, that I had an opposite concern about not using end-of-life counseling for saving money, then I was answering — [...]
You would get into the issue of saving money, and put these three things together and you are scaring a lot of people when I know the Pelosi bill doesn’t intend to do that, but that’s where it leads people to.
When host Bob Schieffer asked whether the House legislation “would pull the plug on grandma,” Grassley stated, “It won’t do that,” but said that the right-wing fearmongering on the issue was still justified. “It just scares the devil out of people,” he added. “So that ought to be dropped.” Watch it:
Obama did use the phrase “pull the plug on grandma.” But he used it as an example of the lies his opponents were pushing around to scare the American public. Despite Grassley’s claim, he did not respond in “exactly the same way.” Obama said the right-wing myth was completely baseless; Grassley said that it was definitely something to be feared.
Transcript:
SCHIEFFER: Senator Grassley, you have talked as Senator Conrad has about a bipartisan approach. But you really caught some Democrats off guard, a couple weeks ago, when you said this the other day. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRASSLEY: We should not have a government program that determines you’re going to pull the plug on grandma.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHIEFFER: Now, Democrats say there is nothing in this legislation that would pull the plug on grandma, or even require people to discuss it. Why did you say that, Senator Grassley?
GRASSLEY: I said that because — two reasons. Number one, I was responding to a question at my town meetings. I let my constituents set the agenda. A person that asked me that question was reading from language that they got off of the Internet. It scared my constituents. And the specific language I used was language that the president had used at Portsmouth, and I thought that it was — if he used the language , then if I responded exactly the same way, that I had an opposite concern about not using end-of-life counseling for saving money, then I was answering –
SCHIEFFER: All right.
GRASSLEY: And relieving the fears that my constituents had, and from that standpoint, remember, you’re talking about this issue being connected with a government-run program which a public option would take you with. You would get into the issue of saving money, and put these three things together and you are scaring a lot of people when I know the Pelosi bill doesn’t intend to do that, but that’s where it leads people to.
SCHIEFFER: Well, that’s what I was trying to get from you this morning. You’re not saying that this legislation would pull the plug on grandma, you’re just saying there are a lot of people out there who think that it would. Or do you want to say this morning that that is not true, that it won’t do that?
GRASSLEY: It won’t do that, but I wanted to explain why my constituents are concerned about it, and I also want to say that there is an $8 billion cost with that issue, and if you’re trying to save money and you put an $8 billion of doctors giving you some advice at the end of life, doctors are going to take advantage of earning that $8 billion and constituents see that as an opportunity to save some money.
It just scares the devil out of people. So that ought to be dropped. And by the way, some newspaper people were saying that we dropped it from the Senate Finance Committee because of the hullabaloo that you just played, and that’s not true. We got this out of our bill a long time ago, and Sen. Conrad will tell you that I was in conversation with people on the Finance Committee way back in March, that we weren’t going to have any of this end-of-life stuff in our bill because it scares people.
SCHIEFFER: Okay, point taken.
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Shut your effing mouth, Grassley, and take responsibility for your own lies.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:04 pmAnd no, Bob, ‘point NOT taken’ – Grassley’s ‘explanation’ is total bs. Instead of reassuring your constituents’ fears, you exacerbated them. The ‘end-of-life’ counseling part is not there to ’save money’, you dickwad.
Man up to your constituents and admit that you lied.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 pmlying sackoshit!
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pmthe classic wife beaters excuse….”i didn’t want to do it….but she made me”
someone check Grassley’s wife for bruises.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pmWe’ll never get anywhere until journalists grow some and take murderous idiots like Grassley to the woodshed on the air.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pmBy keeping the response as obfuscated as possible he avoided an apology, while appearing to be responsible “leader.” Does everything have to be political when peoples lives and livelihoods are at stake?
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pmLizard man is so full of sheit his eyes are turning brown.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 pmAnd this is the key guy the Republicans have negotiating on their behalf (meaning, on behalf of the corporations that want no refrm to take place at all)? Grassley is obviously wrong about what’s in the bills being considered (and there are more than one). Either he doesn’t know that what he is saying isn’t true (in which case he is too ignorant to be their top negotiator) or he does know it isn’t true (in which case he is lying.)
If his constituents are so concerned about something that isn’t true, why not tell them they are wrong? Why tell them that they are right to be frightened?
As Jon Stewart said to Betsy McCaughey, “That’s right. That would be a terrible thing if it were in the bill, but it’s not!”
Mr. President, it should be clear to you now that the Republicans are not interested in any kind of health care reform, unless it’s to de-regulate the entire indusdtry. If you insist on having a bill that’s bipartisan, you will end up with a bill that favors the corporations over the people. You were elected by people, not corproations, Mr. President. It’s time you started listening to our concerns and not theirs.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:16 pmTrolls to defend @ssley in 3… 2… 1…
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:18 pmGrassley, a nasty man & habitual liar, could not come across as more of an idiot if someone were writing idiot material for him.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:18 pmGrassley is getting hammard in IA right now in TV ads with his lying. Grassley’s gone senile.
Please read this it is so true:
http://conservativesarealwayswrong.googlepages.com/
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm..assley
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pmNot to mention McCrybaby’s whining again today.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:21 pm“Grassley Blames Obama For Making Him Say That Health Care Reform Would ‘Pull The Plug On Grandma’”
Won’t take personal responsiblity and yet blame Obama. Nice try, Chuck, but it won’t work. An ass award for Assley.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:21 pmI hope that his fine congressional health plan includes counseling for Bewildered Weasels.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm.
Dear Senator Grassley,
Fact check your facts, please!
… Because we all know Chris Matthews won’t.
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August 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pmGrassley finished his remarks by letting a large gob of snot run down his chin and peeing his pants.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pmAt 75, is it too soon to pull the plug on Grassley?
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pmljm, I hesitate to compare Grassley to a weasel or any other animal. It’s insulting to the animals. I think that animals could do a better job than Grassley. ;)
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 pmthey should “pull the plug on grandpa” grAASley’s career.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 pmSenator Chuck “Viper” Snake-in-the-Grassley strikes again.
There’s nothing funnier to watch than some turd (sorry, real and regular turds, no insult intended) try some lurid shit to scare his constituents, then try to walk it back nationally without quite letting on to the constituents that it’s all just the politics of fear.
If he’d simply been honest at the outset and said that he didn’t like any of the house bills or the Senate bill that he was working on, that he thinks it busts the budget or gives away the store, and left out the scare tactics crap, people could have a little respect for him whether they think that’s wrong or right. Grassley knows damned well what’s in the bills and he knows that none of it is particularly extraordinary, as legislation goes; there’s certainly none of the crap being passed around by the fearmongers.
Since he decided to go for the fear factor award though, he ought to be thrown under the bus by his committee chair, Max B., and the Senate leadership; fat chance of that happening :\.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pmSgt Higgins… says:
At 75, is it too soon to pull the plug on Grassley?
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Hi, Sgt Higgins! Metaphorically speaking, it’s never too soon.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmHasn’t he taken his Geritol yet?
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:31 pmGrassley = Senile old fossil.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:32 pmIf the American People need any more evidence that the Rethugs only objective is to make sure that nothing passes for Health Care Reform then they got it today. Between Grassley and “Independent” LIEberman, they’re was enough lying and obfuscation going around to last until the Congress goes back into session.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 pmWhat a disgusting performance by a politician who once appeared to have a modicum of decency and honesty!
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:40 pmWhat a disingenuous POS Grassley is showing himself to be.
It is a sad day in political discourse when he is allowed to weasle out of what he said so easily.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm“A person that asked me that question was reading from language that they got off of the Internet. It scared my constituents.”
“… and I felt it was my duty as a Republican to play to to those fears. After all, we got nothin’ else.”
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pmZooey @ 17 my stomach hurts again from LMAO at your post :D
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pmrepublicans always use the same tactic, which works:
State a lie, let it simmer for days, let it boil for weeks, and then when things are starting to boil over, meekly say, “Never mind, I was wrong.”
Damage done, mission accomplished.
This useless old living fossil needs to be put to pasture. He harms all of us, he jeopardizes our lives.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 pmIt is pretty sad when the GOP have to lean on Megan McCain to be the voice of reason.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pmGrassley Blames Obama For Making Him Say That Health Care Reform Would ‘Pull The Plug On Grandma’
– - Chuck Grassley is channeling Flip Wilson now.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 pmGrass: “A person that asked me that question was reading from language that they got off of the Internet.”
– - FAIL.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pmGrassley reminds me of something Mark Twain wrote:
“Suppose you were a Member of Congress. Now suppose you were an idiot. But I repeat myself.”
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pmSince you knew it scares the devil out of people Ghastly, why in hell did you say it?! I can’t believe Schieffer let him get off that easy. If only Lawrence O’Donnell or Rachel Maddow were interviewing this clown!
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:05 pmmyrize,
Are you going to post something worthwhile, or are you just going to repeat what was in the original post and add some spamming links? Don’t be surprised if your comment is voted down very soon. Have a nice day.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pmHey Old fossil Assley, Obama wants to have a word with you.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pmhormiga brava chavez says:
Since you knew it scares the devil out of people Ghastly, why in hell did you say it?! I can’t believe Schieffer let him get off that easy. If only Lawrence O’Donnell or Rachel Maddow were interviewing this clown!
They would’ve made him cry.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:13 pmhormiga brava chavez,
Grassley would get hammered if he was interviewed by Maddow or O’Donnell.
BTW when will Lawrence O’Donnell get his own show he needs one badley?
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pmGrassley is an old, grumpy fart who truly needs to retire and leave reality to those that surround him. He still believes Iowa is a 1865-based state where you can still buy a chew of tobacee down at the general store for 10 cents… He really needs to find a good nursing home for himself and check in so he can at least have somebody around when he has the plug pulled on him!! Oh, and they should have a LEGAL, gay wedding across the hall from him before he goes
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmWinski says:
Grassley is an old, grumpy fart who truly needs to retire and leave reality to those that surround him. He still believes Iowa is a 1865-based state where you can still buy a chew of tobacee down at the general store for 10 cents… He really needs to find a good nursing home for himself and check in so he can at least have somebody around when he has the plug pulled on him!! Oh, and they should have a LEGAL, gay wedding across the hall from him before he goes
Would it be even better if the gay wedding ceremony is held at his bedside before he croaks instead?
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pmevery time a rational sane person hears a republican speak, they’re left wondering how the hell do republicans live with themselves: their lives are nothing but lies, cognitive dissonance, and hypocrisy – lives completely devoid of any positive meaning.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:30 pmThe reason I liked Obama over hilary is because she was a BAD liar. Politicians lie, I want one that is GOOD at their job. This Grassley is a terrible liar, he is bad at his job.
Its amazing that the right wing says one thing and in the next sentence says something completely different. and they seriously think no one will notice. Rush does it and Beck does it a lot. Beck is like “Obama is not a racist. But he does hate white people.” I mean come on. Our country deserves REAL debate an REAL issues to be resolved. The republicans should be impeached for failing americans so badly.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pmThere’ll be no “Profiles In Courage” entry for Mr Grassley, obviously.
But, while I appreciate Bob Schieffer forcing the issue of Grassley’s pandering, WTF does “point taken” mean? The “hullabaloo” is precisely why and WHEN the offending benefit was taken out. If Grassley had taken it out in March, not only would the issue not have arisen, but he would have crowed about his intercession on behalf of his “scared” constituents at his town hall. As it is, Schieffer just allowed Chuck his weasel clause and moved on.
Harrumph!
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:33 pmGrassley in the Snake. Snake of the Grassley. Snakely in the Grass. You can take the Grassley out of the Grass, but you can’t take the Snake out of the Grassley.
Blame the victim; that is on page one of the Republican playbook. Grassley ought to man up and admit that he was propagandizing against health care reform by President Obama and the Democrats.
P. S. Bob Schieffer is just an old Bush buddy; remember his hosting a televised debate, shilling for the Republican? He is just another right–wing Republican doing his best to keep the GOP from withering on the vine by the end of oh-nine…
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pmGrassley stated, “It won’t do that,” but said that the right-wing fearmongering on the issue was still justified. “It just scares the devil out of people,” he added. “So that ought to be dropped.”
It “scares the devil out of people” only because jerks like Grassley keep repeating the lies for one reason: it scares the devil out of people.
I have to say, though, that Grassley’s constituents should take responsibility for their own credulity and stupidity. If they were paying attention to anything but AM hate radio, they’d know our ridiculous their fears are.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:35 pmSo Grassley quotes Obama out of context and then says “he started it” — what an irresponsible, lying POS!
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pmThis is such crap. Of course he tripped over his tongue. He said one thing to the news media and another to his kooky constituents. I suspect he has dementia. Quick! To the Death Panel!!!
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pmbzb says:
Zooey @ 17 my stomach hurts again from LMAO at your post :D
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Thanks. :)
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:49 pmI wonder if Grassley has someone on his staff who can read follow this blog.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 pmI listened to it again and it is, quite frankly, a babblefest.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pmNo, “it” doesn’t scare the devil out of people, Sen. Grassfire, YOU do. When you admit that you told people things that are untrue – to scare them – then you forfeit the right to blame the results of your actions on any other “it.”
Also, who besides the Republicans call this the “Pelosi Bill?” Wasn’t “Obamacare” scary enough?
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pmYou gotta love that “logic”. Sen Grassley intentionally scares people by lying to them and then turns around to claim his lies are justified because people are scared.
I’m as non-violent as anyone on the planet but, could we have people following the Grassleys of the world who can shoot them in the ear, with a paintball, whenever they say something so stupid and/or dishonest? I’ve never seen anything in the Constitution that says one can’t be shot in the ear, with a paintball, for ridiculous statements.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 pmA reminder of Chuck Assley since the media will ignore this:
As we all know, Chuck and other GOP voted for a bill in 2003 called Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 which provided “seniors and individuals with disabilities with a prescription drug benefit, more choices, and better benefits under Medicare.” By the way, the bill was sponsored by Rep. Dennis J. Hastert. This is an excerpt of the bill that Assley tends to forget when he voted yea on the bill:
Services would include evaluating the individual’s need for pain and symptom management, counseling the individual with respect to end-of-life issues and care options, and advising the individual regarding advanced care planning.
And I dug this up from NYT article on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 on the medicare drug benefit bill being stalled by House-Senate Republican. Assley tried to fight for this bill tooth and nail:
Mr. Grassley is running for re-election and has made clear that increasing payments to rural health care providers is a top priority.
The Des Moines Register, the state’s largest newspaper, has published many editorials advocating an increase in Medicare payments to rural hospitals. But the editorials have criticized the underlying prescription drug bill as “worse than nothing,” saying it “will offer little or no help for most seniors.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/27/politics/27MEDI.html
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:05 pmWhere is Grassley getting this from, “I also want to say that there is an $8 billion cost with that issue…”
Did I miss something in the CBO figures?
Grassley could not even explain his own public paid for good health coverage seveal months ago. I’m just disturb that his constituents won’t call him out for being a liar.
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmWhere is Grassley getting this from, “I also want to say that there is an $8 billion cost with that issue…”
I’m guessing it’s from his as$.
History of the World Part I: “Wash this!”
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 pmI knew that President Obama was powerful. But that he could make the Senator say words which he didn’t want to say ??? He really must be the antichrist ! /snark
Of course, Iowa politics are about as red/blue polarized as you can get. There is currently a smaller Iowa election where the repub started commercials about how the dem was gonna spend and spend. The dem then ran commercials about how as a local official, the “fiscally conservative” repub had both repeatedly and frequently raised taxes and also raised his own salary. Now on the repub side is a commercial where the “biggest taxpayer group in Iowa” has endorsed the repub – only they don’t identify who this organization is but the commercial is paid for by something like “Citizens for tea bags”
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 pmRight, because the private insurance version of End of Life counseling is SO much more dignified and personal:
“Dear (former) Policyholder,
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 pmYour claim for the submitted lifesaving medication and/or procedure has been denied. Thanks for giving us money for the last 30 years.”
Does Grassley realize that when he says government will pull the plug on grannie he is referring to government officials such as himself?
Shorter Grassley: I am here from the government to tell you government will unplug grandma.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 pmThe Republican “in it, but not of it” manifestation of governing reflects the evangelical base perfectly. I was thinking last night about all the stories I’ve read about right-to-lifers getting abortions, or taking their daughters in to have abortions, then being right back on the sidewalk protesting abortions the next day. It must be painful to believe in a doctrine that you can’t begin to live up to or reconcile with life in the 21st century. That they choose to impose the beliefs they betray upon others and remain in denial about their failures is sad, and their collective nervous breakdown is earned.
Red state abortion, teen pregnancy, divorce, drug use— It’s all so miserable and misanthropic. They don’t trust people—they trust a doctrine that puts them into constant conflict with the world.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm.
Editorial
The Uninsured
Published: August 22, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23sun1.html?_r=1
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August 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm“in it, but not of it”
Yeh, they listen to senators and reps, part of the out of control government, who tell them government is a danger to democracy because its out of control.
Fear!
And only I, part of the out control government for decades, can save you from the out of control government, just like we protected you after 911, but not before 811 or on the day of 911.
Highly illogic on its face.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pmSorry, O.T.
EXCLUSIVE: Former Top Interrogators Back Wide-Ranging Criminal Probe Into Torture
By Jason Leopold
The Public Record
Aug 23rd, 2009
http://pubrecord.org/torture/3850/former-interrogators-criminal-probe/
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August 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pmBob Schieffer is proud to be from Texas. This is why he kept his head up GW Botch’s a$$ for 8 years.
He has always been a RePugniScum tool. Never trust this man. Period.
CBS News could be trusted years ago. They call themselves the Tiffany Network after the famous Tiffany & Co. jewelry company. Now they are the broken glass network.
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
In case you need to tell Sen. Creep what
kind of a creep he is…in kinder, gentler
terms that is,
http://grassley.senate.gov/contact.cfm
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pmThe lives of Americans are at stake… -GWB [GWOT speech]
We dont want health reform for the American people because grannies life is at stake -Politicians
August 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 pmSomedays I feel as I was whisked away to an alternate and opposite universe while I was sleeping.
3000 people died on 911 and the very people today, who were for wars costing trillions of dollars, to protect American lives [so we were told] didnt worry about how spending all that money to keep US citizens alive.
Today they want millions of people without any form of insurance.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pmObama did use the phrase “pull the plug on grandma.” -KWS
He used it but not in reference to himself. Besides that it is already happening by private insurers and its called recission [saving money by dropping insured]
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 pmGrassley is using the big shovel for the shite.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventures is not any smarter or more compassionate in bold.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:15 pmGood for you, stupid troll. Even when you are told you have been lied to, with the expressed intent of making you afraid, you leap forward to admit you are dutifully afraid and defend the very lie that’s just been admitted.
It must be awful to be ruled from the outside, to be a mere puppet. On the other hand, maybe it’s a blessing to be so effing stupid that one never has to take ultimate responsibility for one’s actions? It’s always the fault of some “other” who operates beyond one’s control or understanding.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwstroll at 66,
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/15/obama.health.care/
Keep spinning the factual data troll. You’re very good at it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 pmExactly my point. Now the government will be in charge of “pulling the plug.”
Thats not my point. The point is that this pulling the plug stuff isnt in the legislation but does happen with private insuranace. Furthermore pulling the plug only benefits the insurance company. Doctors and hospitals would have no reason to pull the plug if they were getting paid for performing medical services.
Sounds like you are for limiting the amount that can be spent on saving a life? As far as I know an emergency room will do all they can trying to save a life not pulling the plug after a meter goes beyond a pre-set value.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pmkwsventures says:
Zooey, as a confirmed communist, what would you do about grandma?
kwstroll, a confirmed fascist, what would the healthcare industry death panels you are loyal to do about your grandmother?
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:23 pmA confirmed communist? Shit I thought she was just a confirmed hottie…
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pmHey troll, gonna refute 76?
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:25 pmOkay, KWS, I have a question:
What is the limit for government healthcare [military] to pull the plug?
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:25 pmI recently read an article about our stupid troll. It seems that about 40% of Reichwhiners, who have never heard that Saddam wasn’t connected to 9/11, still believe that Saddam was connected to 9/11. The interesting thing is that about 70% who have been shown that Saddam had nothing to do with it believe it more strongly.
Plus, to no ones surprise, both those numbers were significantly higher among FAUX viewers than anyone else. The conclusion is that the poor Reichwhiners are so seldom exposed to truth that they can’t recognize it when they see it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 pmI think maybe we should ask grandpa…
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmstill waiting kwsshitstain…….
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 pmIgnorance breeds hate, lies are believed by the stupid. Now, the problem is that @50% of Iowans are ignorant (because they don’t bother to get the facts or only listen to Rush and co.). The other half (or, my guess, more than half) don’t believe this crap, actually know the truth, but wouldn’t show up for a Grassley event if their lives depended on it. I know, I grew up there. So Chuckie boy shouldn’t be nearly so smug. And it’s about time that somebody comes forward in Iowa and challenges his demented statements. Deluded.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmkwsventures says:
Someone or some group will say, “we will not spend anymore money on grandma.” Therefore, unless grandma has the money to circumvent the system and use her own money, any last ditch efforts with low probability of success will be abandoned. Hence, in reality, the plug will be pulled on grandma.
But grandma’s plug isn’t even plugged in now. Under the current “system,” you don’t get care if you can’t afford it. You can also be scammed by the insurance company using some loophole to refuse to uphold their end of the bargain.
Your approach is like telling a starving people that they can’t have any food because the food might be taken away from them later.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmOT
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 pmpete:
After only appearing for the first time ever last year, my states population of Mississippi Kite has doubled this year with 2 nesting pairs… Weird.
Global climate change may favor some species and change regional nesting habits. At least IMHO. :)
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
dbadass,
Cool. I haven’t seen anything too unusual but the geese are fledging and visiting the local golf courses.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmkwsventures says:
Someone or some group will say, “we will not spend anymore money on grandma.” Therefore, unless grandma has the money to circumvent the system and use her own money, any last ditch efforts with low probability of success will be abandoned. Hence, in reality, the plug will be pulled on grandma.
HOW DARE YOU POST ANYTHING AS ASININE AS THIS!!!!!
Have you ever had to make this decision? I have for my own Mother and I’ll tell you this it was the most hardest and difficult decision of my life. How dare you make light of my agonizing and guilt afterwards. I made the decision by abiding by my Mother’s wishes. This was after I ad went through a period of being selfish and wanting to cling on to her in the hope of a cure. I did it because I had a Living Will to consult, which also stated that she didn’t want me to spend more than 5 thousand dollars on her funeral.
Now that I’m older I now realize the courage it took her to do that and how much love she had for my sister and I. You, I fear are a self-centered egotist who would drain the resources of anyone you could to keep breathing.
While I still have guilt feelings for what I did, I was and am comforted in the fact that I did as she wanted; a decision she made freely of her own will. I pray that I will never have to make another decision like that for any of my loved ones and I hope to die with dignity and according to my wishes and have instructed my wife to follow my desires when the time comes.
If you had any other motive than to use this very personal situation other than to push forward your own perverted agenda and that of the lap-dogs of the Health Insurance companies I could understand your immaturity and ignorance, but I’m afraid I can’t give you that excuse.
As mad and upset as I am at your post, as a Christian, I can not wish upon you this decision. Hopefully you will never have to make it, but if you do, then perhaps you will understand and grow some empathy for others. Then, perhaps you will be more introspective in your comments and the harm they can do to others.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmkwsventures says:
Someone or some group will say, “we will not spend anymore money on grandma.” Therefore, unless grandma has the money to circumvent the system and use her own money, any last ditch efforts with low probability of success will be abandoned. Hence, in reality, the plug will be pulled on grandma.
Wrong again kwsshitbag:
SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION. of HR3200 says:
5 SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
6 (a) MEDICARE.—
7 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
8 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
9 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
10 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
11 subparagraph (DD);
12 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
13 subparagraph (EE); and
14 (iii) by adding at the end the fol15
lowing new subparagraph:
16 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
17 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subsection:
20 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
21 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
22 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con23
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de24
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
25 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
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1 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
2 consultation shall include the following:
3 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad4
vance care planning, including key questions and
5 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo6
ple to talk to.
7 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad8
vance directives, including living wills and durable
9 powers of attorney, and their uses.
10 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
11 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
12 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
13 of national and State-specific resources to assist con14
sumers and their families with advance care plan15
ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad16
vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
17 service organizations (including those funded
18 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
19 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail21
able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene22
fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
Seriously troll, have you actually read the bill yet?
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pmkwsventures says:
Zooey, as a confirmed communist, what would you do about grandma?
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
I’d rather be a commie than a fascist, like you.
I’d follow grandma’s wishes, which she has previously laid out in her living will, after a consultation with her doctor, which is paid for by Medicare.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 pmRetiredSailor says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pm
My condolences, Retired Sailor. I went through this with my own mother last year. It was horrendously painful, but we followed her wishes. The nurses and hospital were quite wonderful and caring to us, which helped a great deal.
((hug))
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:56 pmHi Zooey:
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pmSeems those consultations really were very beneficial to those rural NH/VT cancer patients…
I think 76 knocked him out cold zooey.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm“It just scares the devil out of people,” he added. “So that ought to be dropped.”
It scares the devil out of people because Grassley and his ilk lied about it and made these people afraid. So, I think that Grassley is getting some pretty negative push-back from his constituents. I can think of no other reason why he would be backing down now even though his backing down is typical Republic speak – “someone else made me do it”. Republics are pathologically incapable of taking responsible for their actions.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pmThanks Zooey.
Sometimes it’s hard to let ignorance go unanswered. Like I said I certainly hope kwsventures never has to experience this, but I guess that would be the only way he could understand.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pmI’ve been through it too, RetiredSailor. But I don’t think the stupid troll will ever develop empathy. He’s clearly the type who is hardened by all experience and I seriously doubt any family member would put such a cold freak in place of such decisions.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pmkwsventures babbled (again),
Every time you post that Medicare is going broke, I ask you to acknowledge that Bush stole a trillion dollars from the Medicare trust fund and gave it to the wealthy in tax breaks. For some reason, you never are willing to address the reason why Medicare is running out of money.
Republicans looted our treasury and don’t want to admit to it. They are still in denial that they are out of power, and they will deny any fact to support their failed philosophy.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 pmkwsventures says:
Someone or some group will say, “we will not spend anymore money on grandma.” Therefore, unless grandma has the money to circumvent the system and use her own money, any last ditch efforts with low probability of success will be abandoned. Hence, in reality, the plug will be pulled on grandma.
Here’s an example of what happens to a grandma who never had end of life counseling:
My daughter’s mother in law died of ovarian cancer last year. In the last 6 months of her life she was in and out of a coma. There was no hope for her. But, since she didn’t have any counseling and didn’t have a living will, my daughter and her husband were unable to get the doctors to stop giving her tests that would do nothing and treatments that would do nothing but prolong her pain and agony. In the last 6 months of her life they ran up over $50,000 in bills, much of it for useless testing in the lab that her doctor was a part owner of. Medicare didn’t cover all those bills and my daughter and her husband are currently being hounded by her creditors even though they had nothing to do with authorizing the tests and treatments that did nothing but line the pockets of her doctors and labs.
If you don’t have a living will, get one now. I don’t care how old you are and how invincible you feel. Having a living will is a gift you can give to your loved ones.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 pmPete,
After reflecting on your comment, I’d say you are probably right, though I still hold out hope for him. Perhaps he can learn what it takes to be a true patriot of your country and a brother’s keeper. One can only hope…
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And I wouldn’t be averse to a troll sitting in an ER waiting room in some kind of nonlifethreatening agony while they process his insurance info. Especially if he’s then turned away because, according to the insurance comapny, the “real” injury must have occured when he was in a car crash years before they insured him.
Speaking of Medicare; I’ve needed emergency care several times since I’ve been on medicare and all I need do is present my ID card and I never even see a form to sign before check out. And the closest I’ve come to a disputed claim? They tried to bill two, $19.00, O2 fittings when I knew that I had only used one. I caught it and saved Medicare $19.00.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 pmBetter to be accused of being a commie than to be guilty of being a fascist.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:15 pmLIBERALS PISS ME OFF says:
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Ann Coulter, is that you? :D
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Hi LIBERALS PISS ME OFF
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pmWelcome. Wanna chat?
kwsventures says: Granny is probably on medicare. Which, by the way, is going broke, too. Not that anyone cares about that
Well, KWS, I see you forget that to wage these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan alot of money was borrowed from foreign nations, primarily China.
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So why, LPMO, are you wanting to wage wars by borrowing from commie china?
BTW communism isnt about religion, there are many GOD fearing people in Russia just as their are religious people in China.
Furthermore, LPMO, the framers, the first amendment, give people the right to practice any religion, or none, of their choice.
And since you brought up GOD, why would GOD tell you to hate GODs children, if thars what your religion tells you?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:19 pmI think kwsfascist needs a tissue.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:19 pmSimpler version for the trolls, Levi.
Medicare is not going broke and it won’t even need a rescue unless the Bush economy continues indefinitely and unabated.
Ditto for Social Security.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:19 pmkwsventures,
Are you saying that Bush used a ponzi scheme to steal the money that was supposed to be used for Medicare?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pmSee what I mean about our pet trolls? There’s no way to penetrate so many layers of self-delusion. What’s really sad is that what they hide under their armor isn’t something precious. It’s just a festering sump of hate, fear, and lies.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventures says: I gotta go. I will LOL about that medicare trust fund for the rest of the evening. Thanks for the levity.
Dont forget to laugh at all of your money that went to wall street and AIG.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
KWS says we are broke, next thing ya know they will be saying that our troops shouldnt have healthcare either.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventure:
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pmDo you write notes and fold them up into weird shapes? Just wondering what with the LOL and all…
LOL, I can’t stop it. Good night.
You never asnwered my question aoout what the medical cost limits for pulling the plug on troops, joker.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pmI hope kwsfascist gets everything he deserves in life.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pmWhy are convservatives the only smart? people around here
Thats not a question, or a fact, its an opinion that you could not ever prove.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pmAnd when faced with a truth they can’t deny? They scuttle off.
I sometimes wonder if trolls are created when someone suffers brain damage from stuffing their fingers into their ears to the second knuckle. Most likely it happens when they try to block out the “blasphemy” from a science teacher who tells them their parents and/or preachers are liars.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pmLiberalspissmeoffwithtruth said,
You end an interrogative sentence with a question mark. You don’t put the question mark in the middle of the sentence, and then end the sentence with a period. Especially if you are trying to say you are the only smart one around here.
Conservative = stupid.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmWhy is that question mark in the wrong place?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmMy q
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmWhat kind of car do you have LPMO?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pmA real argument requires two rational participants with opposing viewpoints that they express in a coherent manner. The most this “new” troll seems to offer is merely contradiction despite any real arguments interjected into the discussion.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm“I am so smart. I am so smart, smrt”
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm***
#117,
quitting is what they do best.
:)
buh bye!
:) :) :)
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:41 pmWhen is the liberal media going to start steering the conversation? Good old Slow Pitch softball pitcher Bob Schieffer couldn’t even help Chuck out. When the conservatives are helping out on every channel on the dial we have trouble. When people are trotted out and not asked questions to make them explain why they have or are lying it makes you question the source of information.We see Dick Armey trotted out and only half exposed as a fraud because he gets protected from himself. It goes on and on.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:46 pmRemember d ouchebag, you only get one vote…
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 pmWhat happened to Ann…?
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pmSgt Higgins… asks at #18:
At 75, is it too soon to pull the plug on Grassley?
We on the Death Panel were just debating that, and we came to the unanimous conclusion the answer is a resounding NO>
He must die the death of liars who swore to not lye.
Hanging.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmLPMO said,
There have been many replies to your stupidity yet you have not yet engaged in a good argument. Come to think of it, you have never engaged in a good argument on any subject like most conservatives.
You are just a hit and run troll, and not a very bright one at that.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 pmLIBERALS PISS ME OFF
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:00 pmWhere did you go?
LPMO drives a Volga
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 pmdbadass says:
LIBERALS PISS ME OFF
Where did you go?
Apparently, he pissed off.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmShift change at troll central
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pmTroll central must be on it’s last legs.
The trolls are piss-poor lately.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:13 pmShift change at troll central
At first I read that and missed the f — which may make more sense now that I think about it.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 pmI think you’re right, Zep. That makes way more sense. :D
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pmI think the poor quality of trolls is due to the shrinking base being stretched further and further. Each troll is now responsible for covering more and more progressive sites, as the number of trolls shrinks proportional to the shrinking Republican Party.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pmI just got here and read most of the comments.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:22 pmIve come to the conclusion that LPMO is like all the other trolls, their pissed off because they always get smacked down with facts. The blogs are a great way to expose all the lies that pour out of fox noise and AM radio. And that really pisses them off.
Where did “LIBERALS PISS ME OFF” go? It’s time for the little one to go to sleep.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 pmMy grandmother is 94 now—I had lost track. Just talked to her. She’s no fan of FOX, but she is mystified by the talk about health care reform and is frustrated that she doesn’t know what is actually being proposed. She reads the newspapers. She’s worried about cuts in MEDICARE and is perfectly happy with the way things are now. She’s amazed that people are saying they want the government out of their MEDICARE.
She has gotten the wrong message about immigrants costing us horribly, and I said “NO, Grandma, that’s divide and conquer garbage.” I think she believed me. I reminded her of my friend’s condition and the fact that many people are facing death without insurance. I don’t mean to make her feel guilty, but the plight of the uninsured seems to be forgotten.
I hope I’m not too disappointed with whatever is passed—or even worse—not passed. The status quo stinks on ice and is not acceptable. The drama that has been played out is an abomination.
I understand wanting to cut out waste in MEDICARE and I asked her if she’d heard about the large busts for MEDICARE fraud that have been happening lately. She hadn’t. I’m getting angry. There is all this talk about saving money that didn’t really come up when the topic was Raptors. Sure, they talked about whether or not it was cost effective and necessary, but they didn’t talk like we were near the poor house and needed to cut expenses at every turn. The treasury was just robbed for trillions and nobody is talking about reforming Wall Street.
But talk about providing health care for the needy, and all of a sudden we’re hanging by a thread financially. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm“The Devil made me buy this dress!”
–Flip Wilsom, RIP
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 pmEver worked somewhere will there are a couple of really over the top people who make everyone around them miserable. This is what the GOP is to the rest of the country. It has a meanness and negativity about it that is borders on insanity. It has a huge component of dishonesty that if your were experiencing it in from someone in your life you would be calling a psychologist. If the level of dishonesty were being experienced in your workplace you would fire the person if you were boss, or be looking for new job if you were not. but in the political field we have a thing called the Republican pary whose lies are tolerated and even rewarded.
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 pmugur
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 pmDo you know sesli? I love her sorbet…
Darn, ya show up late and the only one here is ugar. Why is this blog so popular with Turkish spammers?
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pmWho doesn’t enjoy a little Turkish delight…
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pmIt’s simple. Grassley has a mental illness.
Besides, Grassley is a grand old Regipizan crime party member. Is there a sane person left that will ever trust this man?
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 pmdbadass: Please don’t get started on food. I haven’t had a good piece of fish in weeks!
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm144 Levi the Dungbeetle
Let’s hope you’re right. I used to believe in the single particle theory that suggests the entire universe could be made up of a single particle, if that particle could get around fast enough. Maybe all the trolls are one Glen Beck or 0′LIEly or Dobbs. Just one apple, rotting out the whole barrel. Or not.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 pmYeah, sure, Chuckie. We know. The dog ate your homework.
Please. Spare us, you lying sack of crap.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pmOutstandingInMyField
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pmI elected king crab this evening but I do have some nice flounder if you’d like it.
Thanks, I wish I could lightly steam some virtual flounder with just a little salt, pepper, and butter.
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 pmkwsventures (which I am sure is a scam corporation of some type, as all Repukkkikan whorporations are)
Medicare trust fund? Really? Kind of like the Social Security trust fund? There is no trust fund. There never was a trust fund. It is a Ponzi scheme.
ALL INSURANCE IS A PONZI SCHEME. Its just betting. You should read up more, since you do not have a real job and dont have a paycheck to look at, fore if you did, you would see it is called SSI, “I” stands fro insurance you f ucking fool.
The Lock Box Al Gore wanted to create would have kept your Bush kleptocracy regime from stealing the 3 Trillion in SSI funds.
And BTW, dick head, SSI is solvent until 2050, and only needs tweaking to keep it solvent after that. Tweaking as in raising the salary cap that stops SSI deductions. I make over that cap, and would be willing to support it being raised so I know I have the benfit later on.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 pmIf their is no public option for the Public, then there should be no Public option for Congress. If we don’t get a public option then we should pull the plug on their free health care. Let them try and find affordable insurance. Oh yeah, and Grassley is a despicable sack of $hit.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 pmkwsventures says:
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HR3200 says… you must be kidding. By the time, the lawyers get done figuring out who to sue, granny will be dead and buried.
What a pile of gibberish. 1000+ pages of gibberish that nobody will read, understand or has any hope of getting passed. I thought the IRS code book was full of loopholes and double talk. This health care bill is a cluster F— only an ambulance chasing lawyer would love the possibilities to cash in. What a bureaucratic nightmare you libs want to start. Be very careful what you ask for. Because one thing is certain: If Uncle Sammy pays. Uncle Sammy decides. That will always be the bottom line. So, in reality, you will be giving your “freedom” to Uncle Sammy.
Frustrated little troll?
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 pmRe: We got this out of our bill a long time ago, and Sen. Conrad will tell you that I was in conversation with people on the Finance Committee way back in March, that we weren’t going to have any of this end-of-life stuff in our bill because it scares people.
And why does it scare people, Mr. Grassley?
Because of SOBs such as yourself that spread the fear.
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 pmSeriously, why doesnt the interviewer get a straight answer from this idiot? Grassley always hemms and hawws his answers. He plays dumb (might not be an act??) and gives retarded responses. The man is a flat out liar
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 pmLIBERALS PISS ME OFF says:
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All liberals should move out of America! we would be much better without them! Why are convservatives the only smart? people around here.
Ok go ahead and reply to this im ready for a good argument!
How did no child left behind work out for you little child?
August 24th, 2009 at 12:01 amI hate HYPOCRITTERS!!!!!!! Like Mr.Grassley.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:06 amZooey says:
Troll central must be on it’s last legs.
The trolls are piss-poor lately.
We need better trolls. These trolls are obsolete.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:07 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Slappy you’ve got that wrong – Republicain’t Senators only care about staying in power. It’s not over.
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You’re goonna look mighty stupid when the President signs the Health Care Reform Act WITH a strong public plan SlappyB.
Come to think of it, you look mighty stupid already.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:53 amSlappy, its been a sham for some time, well before dubya…
August 24th, 2009 at 12:53 amI really don’t know who is more disgusting, Grassley or Schieffer, who uncritically accepts Grassley’s outrageous bs as if he made sense.
August 24th, 2009 at 1:17 amLet me get this straight: Grassley did not say what he said but really said it and Obama made him say it. What a bunch of crap.
Think perhaps this man getting too old to be Senator?
August 24th, 2009 at 2:46 amWe need to find the truth:
http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=Democrat+wasted
August 24th, 2009 at 7:28 am*setting up death panel* It’s time to pull the plug on Grassley! Stick a fork in him…he’s done!
August 24th, 2009 at 7:32 amGrassley has a long history of sticking his foot in his mouth. Here he is only following his own example. His real problem, though, is that he meant what he said — wrong on the facts as he is. End of life counseling is not something that is intended for the last few days or weeks in someone’s life and nothing in the bill suggests such action. Indeed, it does not require such counseling — it simply pays for the counseling when someone asks for it. Lastly, this is a plank that is almost identical to what Sen. Isakison (R-GA) has proposed in the Senate bill he his considering today. Grassley walked into it and now finds himself in a bind.
August 24th, 2009 at 7:48 amRush Limbotard talked about the “Death Book” that the Veterans Administration has put out for years. It’s actually called, “Your Life, Your Choices” and you can look it over here:
[PDF Warning] http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf
Absolutely nothing wrong with this pamphlet. We’re born, we live, we die. That’s how it’s been for years. Those who are overly religious don’t like to talk about dying so they’re more apt NOT to produce a Living Will, but they should! At the end of life, we don’t have many options anyway. Seriously, how many liver transplants are done on those 80 and older? How about doing a hip replacement for the same age group? My grandmother broke her hip at 93 after falling in the nursing home. She was given painkillers and then died 4 days later sitting in a chair (was the most comfortable position for her than laying down flat)! Not one person in our family demanded hip surgery because there is a time in our lives when these kinds of surgeries don’t happen and when they do, it’s the wealthy who pay to have them done!
Gees. Why can’t the simpletons understand this concept?
August 24th, 2009 at 7:53 amSlappyBastinado says:
ITS ALL OVER…….NO FREE HEALTH CARE FOR YOU!
Noted. Now, what type of spice will you use to cover the taste of the crow you’ll be eating, when single-payer is passed?
August 24th, 2009 at 9:03 amI swear, the GOP blames everything they can on Obama. He must be doing something right.
August 24th, 2009 at 10:51 amToday I woek up late and was late to work. It was all Obama’s fault.
August 24th, 2009 at 11:02 amHaving listened to some of his rhetoric I suspected he was somebody’s puppet, but I never guessed President Obama was the master puppeteer.
August 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pmSchieffer has really become a GOP enabler; allowing Grassley to get away with this pathetic attempt to portray his lies as somehow noble and atruistic is shameful.
August 24th, 2009 at 11:03 pmvery thanks for article!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am