Local official to Bachmann: ‘I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism.’
Local official to Bachmann: ‘I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism.’
In Lake Elmo, Minnesota yesterday, Rep. Michele Bachmann held a “raucous” town hall meeting to discuss health care reform that was filled with “deafening cheers and a few jeers.” Though some of her constituents called on her to stop “distorting the president’s plan” and “stretching the truth to the point of lies,” others pushed the kind of paranoid criticisms of reform that Bachmann has put forward. One attendee, a member of the St. Francis city council, worried that his Social Security would be overtaken by “socialism” defended Social Security:
At times tempers flared at the forum, with constituents shouting at one another.
LeRoy Schaffer, a St. Francis city council member, dressed in a tuxedo and top hat for the occasion. Shaffer got visibly emotional asking Bachmann about the future of health care and the role of special interests in Washington.
“I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” Schaffer said, before being booed by the crowd.
Schaffer’s concern about Social Security is similar to the people at town halls who tell their members of Congress to keep their “government hands off of Medicare.” As MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell argued earlier this month when challenging a constituent of Sen. Arlen Specter’s (D-PA), Social Security is a form of “smart, practical socialism” since it redistributes wealth.
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This type of mentality just leaves me speechless. Words fail me.
Got to make like a banana and split. I have my appointment with the VA.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pm.
Against what benefits him, LeRoy Schaffer is just doing what his blind leaders told him to do. Do not blame LeRoy Schaffer, blame their leaders like Bauchman who continually distorts the truth so as to incite FEAR in her followers.
Very disingenuous of her, no?
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmha ha:
hundreds of people packed a health care town hall meeting Thursday held by U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, some targeting the Republican with the kind of anger previously directed at Democrats.
“Why do you persist on distorting the president’s plan?” asked Ilya Gorodisher, 46, of the Stillwater area, accusing Bachmann of “stretching the truth to the point of lies.”
August 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pmLOL! These people are so DUMB! ‘Social Security’ is a SOCAILIST program! Jesus!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pmAfter attending a town hall meeting the other day, I am now convinced that if the right wing nuts base their opinion on Fix news, there is NO hope of convincing them otherwise. These people are prime candidates to join a cult or belonging to a violent militia….they are brainwashed.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pmSocialism will take away my Social Security.
Employee Free Choice Act will control workers.
A Living Will will kill me.
Liberalism will take away my liberty.
If it wasn’t so damn serious, I’d laugh as hard at this as I would to a Marx Brothers movie.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pm“I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” Schaffer said, before being booed by the crowd.
Well, that explains how Bachmann got elected.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pmha ha
Laugh of the Day!
ha ha
August 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmWhy am I continually surprised by the stupidity of people?
**shaking head**
August 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm“before being booed by the crowd”
Normally, I hate booing, an uncivilized, rude act. However, I also know that it is extremely difficult to have, to say nothing of winning, an argument with someone willing to lie. Under such conditions, booing and other minor rude acts are necessary to gain the emotional high ground to bring the truth back into the debate. Further, the right is using their own form of “Boo” – the scare tactic. So, to Bachmann et al I say “Boooo”.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pmPeople like this make Americans look like Dumb-Asses. They are a hysterical, whinning, uncontrolable mob. Their racism and paranoia is on display for the whole world too see. From ‘Birthers’ and ‘TeaBaggers’ these people have put a stain on this country. Jeez. And we wonder why other countries lost respect for us.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pmRight on, texasrick. There’s no talking to these folks. A complete waste of time, breath, energy and faith in their ability to learn from anything, much less a mistake.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pmLeRoy Schaffer, a St. Francis city council member, dressed in a tuxedo and top hat for the occasion.
Please, please,please, somebody find this on the YouTubes. :D
August 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pmSweet Jebus on a cracker these people are so effin stupid, there is no retort that fully expresses my contempt for them.
It’s incredible that these people are involved in the political process. I’d be surprised if they vote – considering one has to be able to read the ballot, and it would shock the hell out of me if someone this pathetically idiotic could.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pmCrazy Michele is hosting a Town Hall Meeting with Ron Paul.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pmLINK
“I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” Schaffer said, before being booed by the crowd.
Hoping the ones booing is cause how dumb the question was.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pm“I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” Schaffer said, before being booed by the crowd.
– - I’ll just betcha Mr. Schaffer is unaware that Hawaii is a state and the earth rotates around the sun.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Social Security is not totally socialist because you pay in to Social Security. The only aspect that is socialist is that it is mandatory unless you are self employed. Wealth is only redistributed when you have drawn more benefits than you have paid in.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmOur country is in decline. I have often thought this because so many it seems are just willfully ignorant of some very basic matters.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmIf only stupiity were painful. Perhaps there would be less of it.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pmHow do these people function?
They are so stupid and ill informed they should have to wear a sign around their necks and only be allowed out in public with a keeper.
and really, how could anyone in their right mind get the chance the chance to face crazy!Michelle and not just ask her “are you the stupidest person in Congress?”
August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pmWe can now understand why this woman gets re-elected.
Are all of the electorate in her district that stupid?
Screw the repiggies, and screw the teabagger trash.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pmIncredible ignorance.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pmWhat can be done when people are just that stupid?
You know, whenever I think there’s a joke we could make about how stupid they are, they go and say the same thing in sincerity. It really makes it harder and harder to actually make fun of them. And they wonder why we’re “elitists.”
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texasrick says:
These people are prime candidates to join a cult…
I think they already have.
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Reggie says:
Crazy Michele is hosting a Town Hall Meeting with Ron Paul.
Oh, that one’s going to be a hoot. Bet you anything some nut is going to start howling that we should never have let Obama take us off the gold standard.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmbeam me up, Scotty!
no intelligent life here!
now, Scotty!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmNOW, dammit!
Stupidity is painful, but the pain is for those of us who have a very low tolerance for watching it…
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmThese people don’t need to read anything to vote, they most likely vote straight ticket.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmEnnuiDivine says:
One angry male constituent yelled, ‘That happens here.’ And Bachmann quickly retorted, ‘I’ve given birth here probably more times than you, sir.’”
Probably? O_o
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pmAt the same town hall:
“Lifting a stack of news reports about the health care problems in England, Bachmann told a story about women having to give birth in hospital hallways.
One angry male constituent yelled, ‘That happens here.’ And Bachmann quickly retorted, ‘I’ve given birth here probably more times than you, sir.’”
That last part about sums up Michelle Bachmann, doesn’t it?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThe ignoramus asking that question is a member of the city council!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pmAnd we’re supposed to be basing public health care policy on the addled minds of folks who have no clue what they’re talking about?
http://www.political-buzz.com/
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pmBachmann quickly retorted, ‘I’ve given birth here probably more times than you, sir.’”
given birth to what?
August 28th, 2009 at 12:50 pmThe movie Eraserhead comes to mind.
vinylspear says:
If only stupiity were painful. Perhaps there would be less of it.
We could have stupid panels and if you are found to be incurably, chronically and terminally stupid one could be tattooed on their forehead with a big red “S”.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:50 pmThat would hurt.
Further evidence that cutting education funding helps Republicans: an ignorant public means a strong Republican base.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:50 pmSeems they are onto Bachmanns deliberate misinformation and are starting to revolt against a dishonest representative using fear in a divide and conquer fashion.
Its not you, its not me, its that person over there, look, see, hiding behind that tree!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmElBruce, stalked by Daddy-O, sed:
“Bet you anything some nut is going to start howling that we should never have let Obama take us off the gold standard.”
SECOND Laugh of the Day!
ha ha
August 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pmHave Americans become this stupid, literally?!!! REALLY?
As a country, we should be ashamed that people are so ill-informed about the basic programs and system of their own government and what it provides to its citizens. This is embarrassing! No wonder the Republican talking points get absorbed by so many voters!
I remember learning (what a novel concept these days) about a time in AMERICAN history in which Americans had nothing to fear except fear itself! Those were the days when Americans didn’t get rattled by anything, even in the toughest of times.
Nowadays, and irregardless of the tough times (which previous generations overcame without bowing to fear), voters are all too ready to gobble up any tidbit of fear offered up by ANYONE, be it truth or outright LIES.
Very sad to see what this country has been reduced to.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:53 pmLast week Thom Hartmann took a call from someone who challenged him on the prevalence of the “keep government hands off my Medicare” comments. The caller challenged Thom to find video evidence of five such comments and if Thom could do so, the caller would donate $10,000 to the charity of Thom’s choice.
Thom didn’t take him up on the 10k deal, but by show’s end had collected at least three such stories.
I think this one qualifies.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:53 pmamish_edison says:
“Have Americans become this stupid, literally?!!! REALLY?”
You betcha!
August 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm“Lifting a stack of news reports about the health care problems in England, Bachmann told a story about women having to give birth in hospital hallways.”
A lazy tactic that accomplishes nothing in the arena of debate except to derail discussion.
It shoves the direction of the debate into territory that is simply trading horror stories. No fair-minded assessment of the good and bad of each option, no weighing of the advantages against the drawbacks.
Of course, Crazy Shelly hasn’t shown herself capable of anything more than this to date, so it’s to be expected.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pmblackwidow sed:
“We could have stupid panels and if you are found to be incurably, chronically and terminally stupid one could be tattooed on their forehead with a big red “S”.
That would hurt.”
Uh…this joke is probably their biggest fear, dear. I’ve excoriated Ram Rammell for joking that he would like a tag to shoot Obama…so, I think the stupid people are more aware of their stupidity than we might imagine, and know they’ll be repressed because of it.
I, for one, speak out for equal rights for even the stupidest right winger. Our system eventually weeds them out and reveals them for who they are, and their most insane ideas have a very limited shelf life.
And, your joke reminded me a little too much of certain scenes in “Inglourious Basterds”, when Brad Pitt uses this big knife to…
August 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pmAt least one wingnut blogger likes him: Leroy Schaffer As Folk Hero
Here’s a pic of the guy, scroll down. Man, the “neutral” coverage in this article is amazing:
Yeah, you sure do. I’m afraid of stupid.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pmRepublicans are proud of their stupidity, intelligence is elitist. Fox News tells them so.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pmLividLib, I believe you forgot to add a *wink* to that response…
August 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pmThere has been a silent war on the education system for thirty years. They have gone after liberal professors, the ciriculum that is taught and the big thing is the media…they have passed laws and rules that have destroyed the mainstream media and then they have dumbed down the wingnuts with talking heads on radio and then Rupert created his alternate reality network. These people are not very smart. That is the way the wingers want it. The reason people like Bachmann and W sound so stupid is that they are not talking to the informed, they are going after the ill-informed and angry.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pmwatchdog, a legitimate question when you consider the dishones way the gop is operating at these meetings.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pmwatchdog says:
Video: Congressman Demands to See Constituent’s ID Before Allowing Town Hall Question
What, you want illegal aliens participating in town halls?
/snark
August 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pmWhy am I continually surprised by the stupidity of people?
I find stoopid to be quite the opposite, its not only stoopid its highly boring. Its hard to even laugh at anymore its so God awful boring watching obsessive stoopidity replayed over and over in print and video for the stoopids to get stoopid over and then try to outdo the previous stoopid.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pmThe watchdogs constant yapping at the sun and biting the air rabidly are all signs of insecurity and a lack of balanced pack structure. The watchdog attempts to enter a stable pack with nervous energy to validate its insecurities. This only results in conflict. Stable pack members do not permit the bad energy of the watchdog to upset the dynamic of a stable pack because they understand the rules, boundaries and, limitations set forth by the pack leader.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:09 pmThe only way for the watchdog to gain stability within a pack is for the dog to begin a regimen that incorporates rules, boundaries and limitations. Exercise consisting of the polite exchange of ideas, rigorous informed debate combined with the right to intelligent free speech must be a part of these rules, boundaries and limitations.
If it was Bush he would have searched his cellphone and his laptop and then make him swear on an allegiance form that says ‘You are either with us, or against us. Be careful what you say and what you do”
August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmHey, TAPEWORM, don’t you have a couple dozen quarter pounders with extra cheese to choke on while straining your stool and guards those elderly?
The stupid is strong in this one, Watchblob is the Tapeworm.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmZooey says: #9
Because people are stupid.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmwatchdog says:
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Gee… I’d suspect that that particular OLD, WHITE person in question, from the looks of him, is probably drawing on BOTH Social Security and Medicare .
Since he’s now no doubt the wingnuts’ Hero of the Day™, it shouldn’t be all that difficult to locate him and ask, “Seeing as you consider them to be forms of Creeping Socialism, do you intend to renounce both Social Security and Medicare, Sir?”
Or is this yet another case of “I’ve got mine… so F You, Brotha!”????
What you ay, watchdawg… on board?
August 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pmvinylspear, given the sound parameters you describe, I fear watchpup is incapable of meeting those exercise requirements, and is condemned to a life of meaningless yipping and endless physical contortions as he struggles to lick his own butt.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pmCongressman Demands to See Constituent’s ID Before Allowing Town Hall Question
We have congress critters demanding to see a birth certificate they have already seen.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pmwatchpoo, did that really happen? The poor man had to show his ID? Oh the horror! Is he in therapy now? Compared to that threatening to assassinate the President seems insignifican!
August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm/snark
The stoopid is very strong in Crazy Shelley and some of the voters in her district.
Just when I start questioning Einstein’s quote about the infinite quantity of human stoopidity, people like this come out of the woodwork and confirm his quote to be true.
It’s a black hole with nothing but stoopid coming out. :|
August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pmXisithrus says:
Video: Congressman Demands to See Constituent’s ID Before Allowing Town Hall Question
If it was Bush he would have searched his cellphone and his laptop and then make him swear on an allegiance form that says ‘You are either with us, or against us. Be careful what you say and what you do”
Ridiculous. If it was Bush, the guy wouldn’t have been allowed in without sporting a “Bush/Great President or Greatest President” pin, and would have been limited to questions such as: “What can I do to help you keep this wonderful country free of socialist muslims?”
August 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pmFred says:
watchdog, a legitimate question when you consider the dishones way the gop is operating at these meetings.
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And I thought the righties were IN FAVOR of national IDs…
Let’s take that a little further, shall we? Perhaps that man should have been required to produce a birth certificate while he was at it… and maybe watchdog would personally want to check, in a hands on kind of way, if he’d been circumcised or not…
August 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pmMichele Bachmann is quite possibly the stupidest person on the face of the Earth. Fortunately for her, judging by some of her constituents statements, she lives in the right district.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pmvinylspear AKA Progressive Dog Whisperer
August 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pmHeh
Ooo Ooo, dont forget the mandatory flag lapel pin made in China.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pmBachmann should marry Doug Feith and have kids then maybe the new level of fear and stoopid would be surprising again.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pmAaaaarrrrrggggh!
ALL economic systems re-distribute wealth. In its ideal form (arguably) Capitalism re-distributes wealth to the most efficient producers. The problem is, this ‘ideal’ form doesn’t exist because of ‘imperfect’ markets (most all of them to some degree). As markets become more and more imperfect, Capitalism goes from a system which re-distributes wealth to the most efficient to a system which re-distributes wealth to the wealthiest because market inefficiencies ALWAYS favor the side with more economic power.
It continues to amaze me that so many folks from the lower economic strata are so completely wedded to a system which is so efficiently suppressing them.
They do so because of fear and ignorance. This is where fascism comes in.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pmIsn’t it amusingly predictable how watchpoop will visit a thread like this and, rather than acknowledge the abject stupidity of his compadres, will strive mightily to divert attention from the subject?
August 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pmTEH STUPID!!! IT BURRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pmevangenital says
August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
We can now understand why this woman gets re-elected.
Are all of the electorate in her district that stupid?
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I don’t think so. Remember, this guy got booed, so he was part of a minority at this event (and may have even been a stand-alone crackpot). We know for a fact that there are enough stupid people in her district to elect her, but it’s obviously not all of them.
But the wingnut frenzy of misinformation is reaching heights I never thought possible. Why does this guy think “socialists” are going to mess with his Social Security? Has this been some scaretalk point put out by the talking heads I hadn’t heard of? Or are the crazies coming up with their own now?
August 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pmamish_edison says:
Have Americans become this stupid, literally?!!! REALLY?
They are dumber than you think and this includes people in college or have graduated college.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pmToday we have a game of monopoly and the winner has made himself the permanent bank. Restart the game and its fixed from the get go. No fun in playing feed the parasite.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pmMr. Evil says:
Fortunately for her, judging by some of her constituents statements, she lives in the right district.
Her district is gerrymandered to hell. Minnesota isn’t normally that stupid. Hopefully her constituents will listen to her, not fill out their census forms, and get her district drawn right out of existence.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmralph, watchdog is too busy chasing squirrels and trying to bring the dead carcasses it catches back to us, despite us stating many times that we don’t want them.
It can only try to bite at our ankles, yap the cheerleader talking points it has been given, and drop infinite turds on threads such as this that you should watch for and flag so that others don’t step on them.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmWell, O’Donnell isn’t quite correct on that redistribution of wealth notion. The redistribution takes place on the first $106,000 (plus a bit) of income. That places an entire economic cohort outside the social security system, since their “income” consists of money not earned under the classification of wages, salary, etc; their “income” is not subject to taxes under FICA. Then there are a respectable number of people who have income subject to FICA, but that part (that first $106K) may not be significant.
Social security is only redistributing wealth if you consider middle and upper middle class incomes to be wealth, and even then it isn’t that much of a hit to income, all considered. Well, not much of a hit unless you’re one of those screaming nutcases or trolls for whom any taxation for the common welfare is just (eek!) communism or socialism or some-damned-ism-or-other.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmOk, I finally have to speak my shame: Sixty-seven years ago next month, I was born in Minnesota. I left there for good forty-seven years ago, not because of the dumb but because of things like nasty winters, etc. When I left, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, and an emerging Eugene McCarthy pretty much defined Minnesota’s politics and now they have what, Norm Coleman, also the anti-Christ Michelle Bachmann. Jeebus. Yuck.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm65. Xisithrus says: Bachmann should marry Doug Feith and have kids then maybe the new level of fear and stoopid would be surprising again. August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Hey. Just watch it. Don’t go giving ‘em ideas. We’ve already got problems with watchpoop and outlawn.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pmVirtual Pebble says:
Well, O’Donnell isn’t quite correct on that redistribution of wealth notion. The redistribution takes place on the first $106,000 (plus a bit) of income….
I don’t understand you point. Everyone pays into Social Security and everyone draws benefit based on what you pay in. The only redistribution is when you draw more than you paid in. My father paid in for over 50 years and only drew benefits for 6 years before he died. Now my mother draws a widow’s pension but she has not drawn more benefits than my father paid in. I don’t see the income redistribution until you draw more than you paid in.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pmBachmann should be made to return her salary because she is NOT serving her constituent’s best interests . .
She is a LIAR and totally disengenuous and hell, I don’t even know what she’s talking about and I’m not even a senior citizen!
August 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pmwatchdog says
August 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Video: Congressman Demands to See Constituent’s ID Before Allowing Town Hall Question
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I can’t view the video from where I am right now, so all I have to go on is the title of your link.
You don’t say where you stand on ID checks at town hall meetings (knowing you, it probably depends on whether it’s a town hall for a Democratic or a Republican congressperson). I also don’t know whose town hall meeting this is, or why a demand for identification was made, so I can’t comment on this particular incident.
In general, though, I would like to see ALL attendees at town hall meetings have their identification checked at the door before they’re granted admittance. Not to check for party affiliation or whether or not they’re friendly to that particular lawmaker (driver’s licenses don’t have that information), but to verify that the attendee actually lives in the congressperson’s district.
If attendees aren’t screened at the door for residence in the congressperson’s district, then the congressperson has every right to ask if a questioner is one of his/her constituents.
A town hall meeting should be a dialogue between a congressperson and those people he/she represents. It shouldn’t be a venue where migratory hecklers set up shop.
Getting back to the topic at hand, it appears that this tuxedoed councilman with a tenuous grip on reality actually lives in Bachmann’s district. So he has a right to go to her town hall meeting and say any fool thing he wants. But really stupid comments run the risk of getting booed. Kind of like they do on here.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pmbob hussein lablah says:
Further evidence that cutting education funding helps Republicans: an ignorant public means a strong Republican base.
Ignorance is strength.
It occurs to me that most people view 1984 as a story of what we should avoid. I get the feeling the Republicans are using it as a guidebook.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pmHow appropriate. A guy in a tux and top hat decrying his “Social” Security. To think we used to have to pay Hollywood to come up with such farcical stuff. It seems that the Republicans are working hard to replace Monty Python, Mel Brooks and Leslie Nielsen.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pmFrugalchariot says
August 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Ok, I finally have to speak my shame: Sixty-seven years ago next month, I was born in Minnesota.
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Nothing to be ashamed of — nobody has any control over where they’re born. And Minnesota is really a lovely state (except for the summer mosquitoes, maybe).
Yes, Minnesota has Bachmann. But it also has Al Franken. Minnesota went blue for Obama in 2008. And Minnesota is the home of Garrison Keillor and PHC.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pmLast night the News Hour with Jim Lehrer did an excellent
job of debunking every one of the republican lies.
Not that it could’ve gotten through these closed minds.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pmvinylspear
You are an optimist and a dreamer. I like that about you
August 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pmIf we’re going to have a foreign phrase on our currency it’ll have to be changed. Goodbye, E Pluribus Unum. Hello Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pmGet with it folks. It is time to take the gloves off and treat these inbred, syphilitic morons with the ridicule, taunting and disrespect that they deserve.
Liberal is a curse word because of an attack against the very value of Democrats and liberals by these scum sucking bastards. Hey, it worked and we damn near lost the country. Being smart has defined as “worthless” elites. Anyone knows that the first step in waging a ruthless war is to dehumanize your opponents. Get smart. The Republicans deserve the same treatment. The only difference is that they deserve it. You do not believe me, then consider the two branches of Republicans:
1. The Republican elite: These are those who truly believe in the development of a fascist, corporate owned government that serves the interests of the moneyed class and the imposition of a one party state as was the declared purpose of the K Street project and the establishment of a permanent Republican majority. We have seen that these people (e.g. C Street) honestly believe that the defining worth of a person is wealth and that those who can obtain wealth and power are truly the ones destined to rule. Thus, the Republican elite will lie, stir up racial anger, cheat and do what ever it takes to win. These are the people who attempted to create a police state, supported torture and attempted to destroy democracy after 9/11. These are not people. These are evil animals who deserve to be arrested as traitors, tried and shot. Indeed, their party should be treated as the NAZI party.
2. The IDIOT MASS: These are the Republican base. You know, these are the ones who take pride in being stupid. These are the ones who live in the Red States and demonstrate why some people believe in eugenics. They typify those who honestly just do not have the IQ’s of turnips. Is there any question as to why their states have the lowest academic achievement, highest poverty, lowest insurance coverage, highest illegitimacy and unwed teenage pregnancy rates of the country. Face it, these “people” are so stupid that they willingly vote for the very politicians on the state and federal level that cause their failure in life.
Let these people know what we think of them. Proclaim it from the highest house top. These are simply criminals and the lowest form of human life. Make this the new mantra. Hey, they deserve it and they have earned it.
August 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pmI find it interesting that we launched a multi-trillion dollar war in response to 9/11 yet we will ignore the 18,000 dead every year who have little or no insurance.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pmThis guy in the top hat is a loon, I live in MN and we have our share of repugs and mosquitos, I’ll take the mosquitos any day.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pmSocial Security was a socialist idea, introduced by Eugene Debs and similar people, adopted by FDR much later.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pmJMOHR says:
Get with it folks. It is time to take the gloves off and treat these inbred, syphilitic morons with the ridicule, taunting and disrespect that they deserve.
Great post, JMOHR.
Barney Frank is showing us the way. We need more people to follow his example.
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JMOHR says:
Liberal is a curse word because of an attack against the very value of Democrats and liberals by these scum sucking bastards. Hey, it worked and we damn near lost the country.
I think the problem with the term “liberal” is that it isn’t terribly accurate. If “liberal” means “doing more through government” and “conservative” means “doing less through government,” then the Bush administration has been one of the most liberal Presidencies we’ve seen since LBJ, particularly in the area of foreign policy. In fact, it seems to me that the right wing wants to be liberal abroad and conservative at home, whereas the left wing wants the reverse. And then you’ve got to throw the right wing morality police into the mix. So it’s not entirely so cut-and-dry.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pmBy the way, the loon is the MN state bird. Makes a nice cooing sound (how I think of it) and I apologize to all the loons in my state(birds only).
August 28th, 2009 at 2:19 pmThis is a case of people who hold on hard to their “socialist” social security, their “socialist” medicare, and their “socialist” school systems, while yelling “get those socialists out of office”. Are they really that stupid or just desperate racists who woke up and found out that black man is President? I’d say yes they are either stupid or racists, and there is plenty of each.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pmThis is to funny. Yet again the right wing proves just how stupid they are. While we’re at it, let abolish public schools so the rich private sector can write history books the way they see fit.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pmI recently moved to another state from the Minnesota 6th district, Bachmann’s district. The 6th district is gerrymandered collection of Minneapolis suburbs, that was represented by a Democrat before redistricting that picked up a lot more Republican voters. Thus we got Bachmann. All in all I did not much care for the white bread chicken salad life style there. I found the people in the suburbs there to be tinged with hypocrisy in that they were “nice” but only in the most superficial way.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pmBlack Widow says:
tattooed on their forehead with a big red S
I know I’m late with this one, couldn’t be helped because of my VA appointment.
Wait for it….
ready?
Here it comes,
THE SCARLET LETTER
heh, heh, heh
August 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pmpags2 says:
Social Security is not totally socialist because you pay in to Social Security. The only aspect that is socialist is that it is mandatory unless you are self employed. Wealth is only redistributed when you have drawn more benefits than you have paid in.
I really feel like I need to correct a couple of your statements. Some of this was pointed out above regarding the cap on Social Security taken from wages (only). Yes, it is a mandatory program, but self-employed people have to pay it as well. Money that is paid to people versus investments, dividends and so on are NOT taxed for Social Security. But many people who now pull most of their income from their investments did pay into the fund during their working years.
Regarding socialist programs, most of those operating in countries such as France, etc. are also supported by tax dollars. So people ARE paying into those programs. Just as they do Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. However, while I’m sorry your father passed away only 6 years after beginning to draw SS, the majority of recipients of both Social Security and Medicare benefits get back far more than they ever paid in. For instance, my father retired at age 62, and began collecting Social Security. At 65, he had access to Medicare. At 80, he went into a nursing home, where Medicare paid for the majority of the bill after the first 100 days. He died just prior to when he would have been eligible for Medicaid (nearly all of his assets would have to have been gone). But the bottom line is that he collected Social Security for over 20 years, and used Medicare for the majority of his health care for 18 years. I guarantee he pulled out much more than he ever put in throughout his working years. He never made very much money during those years. When it comes to social programs which protect society as a whole, I’m all for socialism. Capitalism has failed that test, and the worse example is our health care system. At the least, we need a public option. Ideally, we would have single-payer.
Oh…and Bachman and those who listen to her are, indeed, complete and utter idiots.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pmwinddancer says:
I really feel like I need to correct a couple of your statements. Some of this was pointed out above regarding the cap on Social Security taken from wages (only). Yes, it is a mandatory program, but self-employed people have to pay it as well. Money that is paid to people versus investments, dividends and so on are NOT taxed for Social Security. But many people who now pull most of their income from their investments did pay into the fund during their working years.
Social Security benefits are tied to what you paid in to the program. People who pay SS up to the cap are still limited in the amount of benefits they draw. They receive more because they paid in more but their benefits are capped. If people live off their investments, their SS is still governed by what they paid in. If they pay nothing in then they get nothing, The exception is widow(er) pensions and some dependent children. But even those benefits are based on what is paid in to SS. If the person paid nothing or little then the widow and children are relegated to the survivor pension unless they have paid in to SS themselves. This allow the survivor to draw benefits on their own SS. Dependent children will get nothing if the person paid in nothing. And all of these benefits are capped. Self employed people must report their income from their business and their draw. Everyone reports interest and investment income but none of these are included for SS purposes. If the self employed person pays in minimal amounts then the benefit is minimal.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pmRegardless of whether you consider it to be a transfer payment or not, Social Security is basically the equivalent of single-payer life insurance. Insurance pools work better the more people there are in them, which is why the ideal one is the largest possible, i.e. one big one covering the entire nation. The same would be true for health insurance Whether or not one thinks it constitutes a transfer payment to some people from others, it would still simply be the most effective way of meeting the need.
Before SS, a solid majority of homeless and destitute people were the elderly. That has turned around completely now, mostly because of SS. It’s breathtaking how much we can take for granted.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:10 pmI am seriously tired of this debate. Health care is not free, will never be free. My employer and I put out a major chunk of money that is supposed to be set aside so that if I develop a medical need, I will be covered. Right now, it is almost the same amount I pay in various other taxes.
Right now, I have a private company more worried about shareholders and profits than in doing the job I have contracted with them to provide. The lion’s share of the money I put into the system goes for someone else’s home, car and vacation.
Am I willing to put money into a public fund, knowing it may support another person faced with a medical difficulty? You bet because someday it may happen to me or someone I love. Do I want to keep putting out money so a private company can spend millions fighting paying claims while they enjoy record profits? No way.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:15 pmOOPS. Forget my statements. I forgot that the employer matches the employees SS payment. Sorry about that.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pmJust what will happen to the health insurance industry when the average American finally realizes that the thousands of dollars they pay in premiums are wasted when their coverage can be cancelled at the whim of the insurance company?
When they decide that the money they spend every month is more needed in keeping a roof over their heads and food in the pantry? What the heck, if they are going to lose everything with a catastrophic illness, why pay money out to someone who is just going to take it and then say, too bad for you?
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pmHoodathunk says:
Just what will happen to the health insurance industry when the average American finally realizes that the thousands of dollars they pay in premiums are wasted when their coverage can be cancelled at the whim of the insurance company?
Most people assume it could not happen to them. It is a bad assumption.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:27 pmIt’s a genius punking and she fell right into it!! Watch it a couple of times and you’ll see that he’s like one of the Billionaires for Bush…
Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ybA8aWPyEA
August 28th, 2009 at 3:40 pm““I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” Schaffer said, before being booed by the crowd.”
this district sent their best and brightest, batshit shelly off to washington d.c. he so literally meant his statement, without a trace of irony.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pmThere was another classic statement made by a right wing radical at this town hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ8PAPg-t8Q&feature=sub
Listen to Bachmann’s response! Feel free to leave a comment.
August 28th, 2009 at 3:46 pmGoodness gracious me… another one from Stupidistan. Yikes! Just how do these folks get so stupid? I’m beginning to believe that it is genetic.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pmObama is planning to bankrupt the US economy and our institutions so he can take over with his left leaning fascist czars. He is an America and Class hater. The Leftist sheep will follow him over the edge. They are ignorant and apathetic of history. Their hatred for GWB is so strong, they would vote for Adolf Hitler to be their King. ACORN and SEIU will steal the census to re-write voting districts. They are Obama’s SS Troops. States will succede from the Union, and there will be Civil War. Change IS coming like a storm, but there will be no Hope attached. That’s the Chicago way. Bunch of thugs. Eric Holder will throw away the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Or, maybe the Dems will get voted out in 2010. I hope the latter happens.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pmWaterboarder1 says:
The Leftist sheep will follow him over the edge. They are ignorant and apathetic of history. Their hatred for GWB is so strong, they would vote for Adolf Hitler to be their King. ACORN and SEIU will steal the census to re-write voting districts. They are Obama’s SS Troops…. That’s the Chicago way. Bunch of thugs…..
1. It is not true that I have a strong hatred for GWB; I am ecumenical in my hate so I hate all Republicans.
2. Here in Chicago, we do not have to use thugs or steal elections. You need to get your facts straight. There is no Republican party in Chicago. The last Republican alderman left office in the 1970’s and no Republican has run for city council. The last Republican mayor was Thompson who was dumped in 1930 or thereabouts when the Depression started. The Dems run the city because the do it well. They have run the city longer than the communists ran the USSR.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pmwhat a bunch of idiots. If you were able to invest what the govt requires you to pay in fica and what your employer is forced to match, you could retire at 50 with twice what the social security pays monthly and you wouldn’t have to worry about washington stealing it all before you get a chance to collect. That’s what the guy was talking about and everyone here just doesn’t get it. Now I’ll set back listen to all of you ridicule and call me names but never address the issue. That’s why we’re laughing and you don’t even get it.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:00 pmsdbj says:
How are your investments doing since 2007 when Bush was President?
August 28th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWaterboarder1 says:
Obama is planning to bankrupt the US economy and our institutions so he can take over with his left leaning fascist czars. He is an America and Class hater. The Leftist sheep will follow him over the edge. They are ignorant and apathetic of history. Their hatred for GWB is so strong, they would vote for Adolf Hitler to be their King. ACORN and SEIU will steal the census to re-write voting districts. They are Obama’s SS Troops. States will succede from the Union, and there will be Civil War.
August 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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Ok.
And what’s the bad part?
August 28th, 2009 at 5:09 pmWaterboarder1 says:
Get help FAST you are so stupid and brainwashed that you hit every mindless talking point we have heard in years while calling us sheep. You need professional help. You make Pavlovs dogs look like eccentrics. Always remember you KNOW you are too stupid to think for yourself that is fine. Just stop pretending that you know ANYTHING. You dont. You are a moron. You will always BE a moron. Regurgitating what Rush told you to believe is not wisdom. No one is fooled that it is. You arent coming off as knowledgable rather as stupid, mindless and gullible beyond all belief.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pmTurborama says:
It’s a genius punking and she fell right into it!! Watch it a couple of times and you’ll see that he’s like one of the Billionaires for Bush…
Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ybA8aWPyEA
August 28th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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Ok, I like this guy a lot. He’s awesome. Any chance we can get Mr. Schaeffer to run against Bachmann in 2010?
Please?
August 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pmWaterboarder1 says:
Obama is planning to bankrupt the US economy and our institutions so he can take over with his left leaning fascist czars.
How do you know he’s planning that? I mean, even if he was it wouldn’t be much different than when his predecessor bankrupted the US economy and our institutions to take over with his right leaning fascist czars.
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Waterboarder1 says:
He is an America and Class hater.
What is a Class hater, please?
I don’t think that he is an America, but I do believe he is an American.
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Waterboarder1 says:
The Leftist sheep will follow him over the edge. They are ignorant and apathetic of history.
Speaking of history, did you know that fascism has always been a right wing movement everywhere it’s appeared in any nation in history? That it has always opposed and been opposed by the left wing? Ever hear of the businessman’s plot?
How about the fact that every time in the last 100 years that an industry was deregulated it collapsed within the decade? Were you ignorant and/or apathetic of these historical facts?
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Waterboarder1 says:
Their hatred for GWB is so strong, they would vote for Adolf Hitler to be their King.
Um, no. That’s silly. We hate GWB because he’s a pseudo-Hitler himself. Besides, Hitler is dead. And you can’t vote for king. And we don’t have kings in America.
We voted for the guy who actually stopped treating us like subjects and spoke to us as if we were citizens. You live in opposite-land.
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Waterboarder1 says:
ACORN and SEIU will steal the census to re-write voting districts. They are Obama’s SS Troops.
You don’t even know what the census actually is, do you? It always re-writes voting districts. Also, it’s not something that can be stolen. That’s history!
And there has never been a shred of evidence shown that ACORN has ever been involved in any of the things y’all keep saying they’ve done. You say “Acorn rapes babies,” we say “proof?” and you skulk away. Every time. As such, I’m not even going to bother looking into whatever this “SEIU” thing you’re blubbering about.
PS: What are Social Security Troops?
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Waterboarder1 says:
States will succede from the Union, and there will be Civil War.
And then we will carpet bomb the states that tried to secede. Do you have any idea how short and decisive a U.S. Civil War fought using the modern military of the Federal government would be? Against what, a volunteer militia with sidearms? Baghdad would look like a kindergarten game next to this sh!t. Something to think about before you start crying for secession.
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Waterboarder1 says:
Change IS coming like a storm, but there will be no Hope attached. That’s the Chicago way. Bunch of thugs.
Now you’re just name-calling. Quit wasting our time, crybaby.
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Waterboarder1 says:
Eric Holder will throw away the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments.
Actually, he’s restoring them after Gonzales threw them out. I’d think that would be pretty clear.
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Waterboarder1 says:
Or, maybe the Dems will get voted out in 2010. I hope the latter happens.
Y’all just keep talking like that and we’ll just see how it goes. Thanks for your great representation of the modern right wing in America, btw.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pmsdbj says:
If you were able to invest what the govt requires you to pay in fica and what your employer is forced to match, you could retire at 50 with twice what the social security pays monthly and you wouldn’t have to worry about washington stealing it all before you get a chance to collect.
That claim was based on the economic growth over the Clinton era. I hate to break it to you, but there was this big economic collapse what happened last September. So, no. You’d be broke.
The thing about Social Security is, it isn’t “buyer beware.” That’s kind of important, seeing as how every decade or so we lose our common sense and elect a Republican, who then goes on to completely destroy the economy. We need something that’s at least somewhat immune to the right wing’s natural tendency to try to tear this country to shreds whenever you get the chance.
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sdbj says:
That’s what the guy was talking about and everyone here just doesn’t get it.
Actually that isn’t what he was talking about. Check the links at the top of the page. You’ve got it quite backwards.
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sdbj says:
Now I’ll set back listen to all of you ridicule and call me names but never address the issue. That’s why we’re laughing and you don’t even get it.
You’re more likely laughing because somebody in the room suggested murdering the President, and that’s what passes for a “joke” among vermin like you, pig.
Except that you’re not actually laughing at all. That’s just another bald-faced lie. You’re sobbing like a maniac, howling curse words and spittle in every direction while flinging your own feces at the monitor and banging on your keyboard with your balled fists. The worst part is that you actually believe such behavior constitutes some form of “political debate.”
And yet you expect us to take you seriously.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pmOops, i forgot its not ok to express your opinion unless you agree with the libs. I guess ill just go kill myself then, you know cuz im so stupid.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pmAll of you look pretty dumb anyway arguing about this prez or that prez, they’ve had it in for all of us since the thirties anyway. Libz are hate mongers in disguise, Neo cons dont bother hiding it, and the rest of us poor suckers are just stuck in the middle with a little voice and when it does get heard the libs say we are stupid and the cons twist it.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pmmillerman says:
Oops, i forgot its not ok to express your opinion unless you agree with the libs. I guess ill just go kill myself then, you know cuz im so stupid.
You haven’t even expressed an opinion yet. You are free to do so. If it’s stupid, we’ll point out why it’s stupid. You are free to try do the same with our opinions. That’s how open debate works. We’re even free to call each other names, within certain limits.
You’ll notice that none of the wingnuts we’ve been responding to in this thread have been flagged and/or banned. They may get voted down to -10, at which point their text will be hidden unless you click open the link, but that’s just to assist with the readability of the board.
You know, it kind of takes all the fun out of it if you go the “death with dignity” route before even giving us the opportunity to excoriate you first.
August 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pmAnd we are supposed to be an educated country?
The health care in America stinks when the richest nation in the world cannot give decent health care to every American but they all can own a car and a cell phone.
When Insurance people can deny you benefits or cut your health care at any time..then it is time to stop them..
August 28th, 2009 at 5:47 pmmillerman says:
All of you look pretty dumb anyway arguing about this prez or that prez, they’ve had it in for all of us since the thirties anyway. Libz are hate mongers in disguise, Neo cons dont bother hiding it, and the rest of us poor suckers are just stuck in the middle with a little voice and when it does get heard the libs say we are stupid and the cons twist it.
Well, you’re going to have a hard time getting people to vote for a “none of the above” movement. It’s better to pick a side and then try to change it from within.
And how do you know things were so great prior to the 30’s?
August 28th, 2009 at 5:48 pmEvery bodies talking about Obama bankrupting the country?
Where have you people been? On planet Mars? The Bush repbulicans already DID!
At least with Obama the taxpayer might get something out of it like free health care..
all you got with Bush was a war…outragous oil..spirling health care costs..groceries that are 5 times higher..
Huge companies like health care insurance and oil making gigantic windfall profits…
and the taxpayer getting ZIP!
August 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pmSocialist Security
“A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul.”
August 28th, 2009 at 6:06 pm– George Bernard Shaw
saveme says:
You forgot loss of a job, pension and home value.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pmpags2 – self employed pays both parts of FICA (Social Security and Medicare), so they pay TWICE as much as you for the same benefits.
FICA is a flat rate income tax to immediately transfer wealth from those with a reported income to the CURRENT beneficiaries. Your contributions are GONE IN WEEKS, not when you start collecting.
saverne – From 2000 to 2006, “Bush” rose the deficit by $2 trillion. In 2007, Pelosi took over the gavel in the HR and rose it another $2 trillion. The big “O” is looking for $2 trillion in less than 12 months.
The rhetoric blaming Bush for Pelosi’s and Reid’s spending spree simply shows you do not understand our government. Obama, on the other hand, is handing Congress bills and telling them not to read them before voting. These bills reward “O”’s contributors and supporters generously. Where Congress gave Bush a hard time, they are completely ignoring their responsibilities under the big “O”.
And NO, I do not watch the conservative news channel. I read the *@&^#@ bills that your Congress did not.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:35 pm#122
Thanks for the reminder..
there was just so much bad with Bush’s 8 years I would need to write volume’s on the wrongs and the mistakes..
I have always wondered how many were intentional?
I know that Iraq was…
I am really sick of making rich guys richer. Time for them to foot the bill for awhile…
and pay their fair share..
Every American that bailed out these companies deserves health care…
maybe since we had to bail them out we should demand that THEY be denied health care!!
WHY should I PAY FOR THEIRS?
August 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pmI am wondering Mr President…. what would happen if you deny every government worker health care?
Just a thought… they might just get how important it is.. when they don’t have any!
August 28th, 2009 at 6:50 pmkwsventures says:
If you have a constructive argument to make, make it. If you want me to look at a bunch of seemingly conservative-supporting quotes, you can drop a link to the page you’re copying these from and we can go look at them if we wish. But you’ve pretty much devolved to pure plagiarist at this point.
August 28th, 2009 at 6:51 pmJeezus, is kwsventures still riding that rickety hobby-horse of recycling the same old tired quotes day after day, in thread after thread?
It was old the first time, and it’s not getting any fresher. All it does is point out how little you have to bring to the table.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:15 pmConservatives just don’t even bother with the disguise anymore.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pmJust think of the trillions are country could save when they deny every government worker health care.
That is the postal workers, dmv, politicans (especially them!)
state and local government workers. Everyone that gets health care from the sweat and labor of the American taxpayer….
…DENIED!
THEN…Deny everyone that works for a company that the taxpayer had to bail out health care. That’s Banks, Mortgage lenders,Wall street,the Big car companies,…………..
Why am I paying for their health care anyway?
What do you think? Health care for everyone? Sounds more fair now doesn’t it??
August 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pmI don’t know if anyone has caught this yet but Mr Schaffer was actually saying that his health care and social security are socialism – and don’t take it away. He’s pro single payer. He’s on our side.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:51 pmGo back up to the article.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pmI bet the big mouth politician shouting about socialist health care is getting theirs paid for from my paycheck!
August 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pmI have been sitting here reading the posts & it strikes me that almost all of you keep commenting how stupid everyone else is. I find you people laughable, not very funny but laughable. I keep hearing how stupid others are to believe anyone except Obama, this is the same Obama that has violated the constitution on at least 3 occassions & has been caught in several lies, has appointed a bunch of thieves & crooks to his “czar” positions & I said should believe what he says because I’m “stupid” if I don’t. HAHAHAHA you guys are indeed laughable. I have asked this question on every forum I can find, NOT one time have I received a decent answer. WHO & HOW is all this going to be paid for? Please have the brains to formulate a decent response, unless name calling is all you do, in which case who is stupid? Do any of you listen to anyone besides Obama? The CBO & 3 different INDEPENDENT analysis firms have said that the debt this will cause is UNSUSTAINABLE, if you don’t know what that means look it up.
I have just one more item for you all to mull over. California, Michigan & New York are all overwhelmingly Democrat & liberal. ALL 3 of these states are on the verge of BANKRUPTCY, because of there policies.
I ask again, who’s paying for this?
August 28th, 2009 at 7:55 pmNext time a republican politican says he does not want socialist health care…
ask him who pays for his???
August 28th, 2009 at 7:57 pmThe wealthiest 1% of Americans is going to pay for it. If you don’t like it, leave.
August 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pmHello America
You pay for every government workers health care! That includes every republican politican in America!
WHY?
Have you ever asked yourself… WHY?
Why do we have to pay for their health care?
Aren’t we being socialists?
If every American is paying for their health care aren’t they socialists?
August 28th, 2009 at 8:04 pmreponse to #134 I don’t care who pays for his, & it was not the question. As usual I’ll wait a long time for an answer or never get one.
reponse to #135 You my friend are a moron, New York is already trying that very thing & so far 4 major companies have announced intentions to relocate & take their 100,000,000 in tax revenues with them. We’ll see how long it takes New York to go bankrupt or back off, at the present rate not long. Why shuld I leave, because I disagree with you, because I work for a living & I don’t ask for handouts I didn’t earn? This is the argument that will get you votes, how pathetic.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pmI will say that I seriously believe that health Insurance needs reform. I also believe that Tort reform is urgently needed & that to preserve this country will take huge changes politically, but please don’t tell me that throwing money at the problem is the way to go.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pmnoComrade says:
The rhetoric blaming Bush for Pelosi’s and Reid’s spending spree simply shows you do not understand our government. Obama, on the other hand, is handing Congress bills and telling them not to read them before voting. These bills reward “O”’s contributors and supporters generously. Where Congress gave Bush a hard time, they are completely ignoring their responsibilities under the big “O”.
I fully understand how government and spending works. I am tired of politicians who crap in their drawers when it comes to spending on domestic programs and talk about fiscal responsibility. Yet, they have no problem handing billions to a President for a war without any apparent justification. It is time for spending to be done at home. If you have a problem with all of these spending bills then your complaint lies with Bush. The economy was wrecked by Reaganomics. We cannot afford to deny people health care when we are spending money that should have never been spent that way. If it means a tax increase to pay for it, then I as a middle class taxpayer have no problem. I would rather give it to the government public option and have real insurance instead of private insurance that will leave me penniless with deductibles. It is time for universal health care. There will never be a right time with the conservatives. Let the next Republican president think twice before pissing away billions.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:14 pm#137
If you are a republican politican you are asking for free health care from the pockets of the American taxpayer and that makes you a socialist…
You need to care and know.. who pays for every thing that is how republicans got this country into this mess in the first place!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pmBizz,
You are too stupid to breed. Please either kill yourself or leave the country.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pmPags
These republicans don’t get that they are already socialists when the American taxpayer is paying for their health care.
Everyone of these repiblicans complaining.. and calling Obama a nazi…is taking free health care from the American taxpayer..
I for one say take it away from them all…
If I can’t have it… I sure as heck don’t want to pay for theirs!!!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pmHey pags,
you do realize that the most of the Bush spending you speak off was under the watchful eye of a Democrat controlled Congress. You also realize that BEFORE the present recession BEFORE Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac went under that the repubs made two attempts to have that system overhauled, BOTH defeated by Dem opposition. You know the funny part about all this is I’m NOT a republican, I’m a conservative & you guys think anyone not on board with this crap must be a neocon right wing nut job. That is what is costing you in polls. You want respect for you & your ideals, then you also have to give it to others.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pmDungbeetle is right, what a great example of democrats & liberals you make. I imagine you are all very proud of your poster boy there.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pmBizz49 says:
Hey pags,
you do realize that the most of the Bush spending you speak off was under the watchful eye of a Democrat controlled Congress.
Wrong. Bush started the war in Iraq which committed us to spending billions for no good reason. Now that the country faces spiraling health care costs, the Republicans want to talk about fiscal responsibility. Bush had a Republican Congress for 6 years so you can’t lay all the spending on the Dem Congress. Bush started the war and he cut taxes when we could not afford it. This is the equivalent of the boy who breaks your window and tries to charge you to repair it. This crapola by conservatives makes me indignant like Howard Beale.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:31 pmAs I thought still no reasonable answer to the original question. I guess I’ll get back to my life now, have a nice evening folks.
Oh BTW, Dung, even if you could get what you want & the bill passes the top 1% haven’t got enough money to fund this program. So once again who pays?
One last thought for the night,
August 28th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThe rich you all hate so much control approximately 50% of the jobs & revenue streams in this country. When they stop spending money & expanding their wealth ( which means jobs)because they are protecting their assets, & prices are increased, because they protecting their assets, WHO PAYS????
Bush ranks in my book as the second worst president in history right after Hoover..
Until they clean house of every Bush republican this country will never regain her self image as a great nation again..
We need to tell these republicans they are socialists when they take taxpayer dollars to pay for their own health care and yet deny the people paying for it…..
the right to have any health care… with their OWN TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!
Seems like those taxpayers dollars are good enough to cover those politicans and their families health care costs!
August 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pmOk Pags, please total the amount of money spent in Bush’s first six years & then total the last two, seriously check it out. Now please don’t tell me that you have forgotten the 98% democrat support of the war, & please don’t ask me to believe that they were all lied to, those folks don’t get lied to all that often & no one in Washington can keep a secret , so please.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:43 pmsavme THE DEMS inacted that legislation so please stop railing about the republicans on that issue. You guys have to get a grip, the dems have screwed this country over just as much as the republicans, I’m just plain getting tired of it & I DON”T CARE what letter he has in front of his name.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThe rich I hate are the ones that send jobs overseas get BIG tax breaks for doing it
suck money from the government
and haul the junk back to America to sell to us that funded them..
now this is a scummy American
I say exile them and their families to whatever country they shipped our jobs to and strip them of their citizenship…
August 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pmHey guy…
We are all so impressed with your intelligence…
Tell us who pays for your republican politicans health care?
Also when Bush left America sinking in the muck how were we supposed to get out??
Obama was given NO CHOICE PERIOD!
Had Bush done his job at all….he could have stopped or at least slowed… the spiriling economy…
but what does Mr Brillance do??
Instead of his job… he is begging money from China for god sakes…
August 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pmBizz49 says:
Ok Pags, please total the amount of money spent in Bush’s first six years & then total the last two, seriously check it out. Now please don’t tell me that you have forgotten the 98% democrat support of the war….
You are wrong in your analysis. When Bush started the war he committed us to spending billions. All the money that is going to Iraq today is all attributable to Bush. If you want to look at Obama’s spending then you need to factor out the costs of the war. Second, 23 Senators and a significant number of Dems in the House opposed the war and voted against it.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:00 pmEDUCATED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FOX Media, PhD in IGNORANCE.
August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 pmPags
It was trillions spent in Iraq.. and other surrounding countries..
enough to give full health care coverage to every man… woman… and child in America… and all of it’s illegals too!
Everytime I think about it… I get sick all over again.
Instead of saving lives in our own country we are killing women.. and children in another.. and who got rich doing this???
August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pmBizz49 says:
I have been sitting here reading the posts & it strikes me that almost all of you keep commenting how stupid everyone else is. I find you people laughable, not very funny but laughable
Well, you’re really stupid, so that makes sense. But when you claim you’re laughing about it, that’s a lie. Lying is what you do. And we’ve heard that one before.
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Bizz49 says:
I keep hearing how stupid others are to believe anyone except Obama, this is the same Obama that has violated the constitution on at least 3 occassions & has been caught in several lies, has appointed a bunch of thieves & crooks to his “czar” positions…
He has done none of those things. Again, you’re lying. The claims you’re making are the opposite of what’s actually true. The worst part is that you know it, but somehow manage to keep up the facade.
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Bizz49 says:
I said should believe what he says because I’m “stupid” if I don’t.
Actually, you’re stupid either way. I don’t expect you to believe what we say, I just expect you to know enough to realize you’re a moron and sit down and shut up.
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Bizz49 says:
I have asked this question on every forum I can find, NOT one time have I received a decent answer. WHO & HOW is all this going to be paid for? Please have the brains to formulate a decent response, unless name calling is all you do, in which case who is stupid?
First of all, you are stupid. Now that that’s out of the way…
France, who has the #1 ranked health care in the world, delivers it for about 1/2 the cost (per-capita) as the U.S.A, which has the 37th. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to have a more effective health care system for less than what we’re paying now.
The way in which we pay for health care in this country is about as inefficient as it is possible to get. Emergency rooms can’t deny treatment to emergency cases, so they pass those costs on to insured patients who visit the same hospital, via inflated prices for routine tests and procedures. That secrecy is covered, since the private insurance companies force the hospitals to keep the payment schedules secret via non-disclosure agreements anyways. Those emergency cases could have been prevented for much cheaper if those people had been given preventive care up front. Furthermore, consumers don’t actually have free choice between insurers due to the employer-based insurance system, which means that there’s no competitive benefit to control costs.
Fact: health insurance costs in America are spiraling out of control, and have been since Clinton was President. So don’t tell me how great the “system” works.
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Bizz49 says:
The CBO & 3 different INDEPENDENT analysis firms have said that the debt this will cause is UNSUSTAINABLE, if you don’t know what that means look it up.
I don’t know what INDEPENDENT analysis firms you’re referring to (CATO institute?) but the CBO said no such thing. That’s a lie. You lied. You are a liar.
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Bizz49 says:
I have just one more item for you all to mull over. California, Michigan & New York are all overwhelmingly Democrat & liberal. ALL 3 of these states are on the verge of BANKRUPTCY, because of there policies.
Everybody’s on the verge of BANKRUPTCY (including a number of “redder” states you didn’t bother to mention) because the Republican Party completely trashed the economy with their dogmatic insistence on unregulated markets.
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Bizz49 says:
I ask again, who’s paying for this?
Everybody. But that’s OK, because it’ll cost less than what we’re paying for now.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:28 pmBizz49 says:
I will say that I seriously believe that health Insurance needs reform. I also believe that Tort reform is urgently needed…
So we’re going to improve health care by restricting the right of citizens to bring suit against quacks who engage in malpractice… sounds great, if you’re an insurance executive. If you’re a health care consumer, then it merely amounts to screwing you. And if you’re actually concerned about the state of health care in this nation, it will lead directly to complete chaos.
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Bizz49 says:
…but please don’t tell me that throwing money at the problem is the way to go…
How about we throw less money in a smarter way, instead of more money in the stupid way we’ve been doing it?
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Bizz49 says:
you do realize that the most of the Bush spending you speak off was under the watchful eye of a Democrat controlled Congress.
LOL, we progressives didn’t have much of an opinion of Congressional Dems’ ability to control Bush. But this meme is like a bank robber blaming the bank teller for letting him get away with the cash.
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Bizz49 says:
You also realize that BEFORE the present recession BEFORE Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac went under that the repubs made two attempts to have that system overhauled, BOTH defeated by Dem opposition.
First of all, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were only peripherally involved with the collapse of the mortgage industry. They were caught up in it (it was impossible not to be) but they weren’t the cause of it.
You don’t know this (because you haven’t actually looked into it), but the legislation you refer to was an attempt by the Republicans to relinquish public control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to a private group of real estate speculators. Barney Frank opposed it, and managed to quash the amendment. If it had succeeded, they would have been in a much worse position than they were. As it was, they were constrained by public rules regarding what kinds of mortgages they could underwrite. If they were wholly under the control of speculators, they would have crashed a lot harder and earlier than they did.
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Bizz49 says:
You know the funny part about all this is I’m NOT a republican, I’m a conservative & you guys think anyone not on board with this crap must be a neocon right wing nut job. That is what is costing you in polls. You want respect for you & your ideals, then you also have to give it to others.
Yeah, we’re losing sooo hard, LOL. Call yourself whatever you want, you’re a wingnut. We tried respecting you. We respected you in 2000, and again in 2004. And every time we got sucker-punched in the nuts. Sorry, you’re done.
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Bizz49 says:
Ok Pags, please total the amount of money spent in Bush’s first six years & then total the last two, seriously check it out.
Which side do we put the Iraq war? Because, Obama put Bush’s war on-budget. Bush had kept it off-budget, so all of the years Bush fought the Iraq war counts against Obama according to the official numbers. Obama had the guts not to care; accurate bookkeeping was what mattered more.
Also, are you holding 2008 against Obama? Because he wasn’t President then. Bush was. Bush bailed out the banks. Bush actually nationalized more industries than Hugo Chavez.
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Bizz49 says:
Now please don’t tell me that you have forgotten the 98% democrat support of the war, & please don’t ask me to believe that they were all lied to, those folks don’t get lied to all that often & no one in Washington can keep a secret , so please.
They were all lied to. I can prove it: the truth was classified. Go ask Dick Cheney, if you don’t believe me.
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Bizz49 says:
I’m just plain getting tired of it & I DON”T CARE what letter he has in front of his name.
I’m cool with that. Now stop making baseless attacks against the not-stupid people and defending the morons.
August 28th, 2009 at 11:43 pmHaving served my country through two terms in Viet Nam, being wounded in battle, recieving 2 silver stars, recently surviving 1 major heart attack, a triple by pass, one minor heart attack, repairing one of the by passes, having 20 surgeries in 20 years, being a diabetic, having bi-polarism, post tramatic war syndrome, it took me 3 1/2 years to collect SSI disability. i was a radio announcer for 33 years of my life. i only asked for what is mine by law. Barack O’Bama is a F@#king idiot and America has been blinded by what this pious, arrogant fool American can not trust or have faith in to turn us back into what America once was. i say impeach his and his entire cabinet and let America be ran by Americans for Americans.
August 29th, 2009 at 12:13 amBizz49 says:
Tort reform is a canard because it constitutes 2% of all health care expenses. The reason why conservatives want tort reform is because they want to abrogate products liability which would let major corporations off the hook for bad products. The drug companies have asked for immunity from lawsuits for their products. Tort reform is just a method for the federal government to supersede civil law liability by the states. This is a state matter that qualifies as a subject of the tenth Amendment. The calls for tort reform only point out the conservative hypocrisy on states rights.
The proposed increases of tax on the upper class are not onerous as Republicans would have us believe. The tax rate will be the same as it was under Clinton. The second part of the argument that taxes will kill jobs is just horseshite. The upper 1% did quite well under Clinton and jobs were still created. It was under Bush that jobs disappeared and went overseas. A corollary of that argument is pure Reaganomics which is trickle theory and deregulation. Reaganomics failed and that is what Greenspan said in a round about way after this 2008 crash. Republicans are reluctant to give up Reaganomics because they think it will lead them to the White House and control of Congress again. Also, repudiating Reaganomics would knock out the main ideas of the Republican party. They will not give up Reaganomics until they lose a few more elections and are forced to reassess their ideology.
Who will pay for all of this? The wealthy will pay more money but will still be at a low tax rate. Meanwhile the middle class has paid for it in loss of jobs, home values and 401 k investments. Tax fairness is not merely a mathematical calculation of what each tax bracket pays. The middle class and poor have lost ground while the upper class has received most of the benefits of Reaganomics. Now those who benefited the most from the failed experiment must accordingly pay most of the bill to fix the economy and health care
August 29th, 2009 at 12:59 amIs this the same Councilman Schaffer who last year survived recall, barely, for among other things:
°Calling the police when he heard roofers speaking Spanish
°Discussing his sex life with a 20-year-old beauty pageant contestant at a spaghetti dinner
°Verbally browbeating to tears the 19-year-old daughter of a fellow council member at her place of work
°Asking a woman at the Park Commission to sit on his lap
See http://bit.ly/cZZ4H for more.
August 29th, 2009 at 1:18 amjjrocksarizona says:
Having served my country…
This is a parody of Internet wingnuts, right? Because you’ve touched on just about everything we make fun of them for in one dense paragraph. Congrats. Or I hate you. One of those.
August 29th, 2009 at 3:30 amWhat is a true ‘miracle’ in our modern culture? The dependable bravery of firefighters? Or the daily sacrifices of individual peace officers? Or, the compassionate willingness of a “worker” to divide his or her wealth in favor of healing or curing illnesses-in other American ‘communities’? Or, is the notion of a ‘miracle’ entirely spiritual? Whatever it is, it may exist in society because of the social structuring of our social world, and including the priciples and foresight of the Founders. The most surprising fact, is that there is no structure which can prevent the depreciating of families’ faith, hope and love, at the end of each day?! Otherwise, the opening ‘mindset’ of Uncle Ho, in spite of that apparant and consistent ’scrupulous psychiatric fealty’, can never force any two given, social groups, into eternal political, opposition. Because, although our eyes can never see behind us, Church teachings seem to speak of God’s challenge to each of us, who believe in Him, to ’see’ (and rejoice in) any of the ‘harvests’ in life, with every best effort in our lives, because God himself, has infinite goodness, and because of His, historic, ‘eschatological’ sacrifice!!
August 29th, 2009 at 11:53 amYou know what??
Republicans need to grow up!
They cater to the low IQ redneck people in America..
This sunk them!
Wonder Why?
Stop the STUPID alligations!
Those of us with an IQ get how stupid it is…
August 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pmBIZ
I come from a family of army.. navy.. air force.. and marines..
I can tell you come from a family of no commitment to America!
You want what works for you.. and to he11 with everyone else.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pmjjrocksarizona says:
Barack O’Bama is a F@#king idiot and America has been blinded by what this pious, arrogant fool American can not trust or have faith in to turn us back into what America once was.
At least one of you wingnuts has finally admitted he’s pious. I thank you on behalf of all rational, informed and educated Americans.
August 29th, 2009 at 6:44 pmBy the way, Obama is an American, you freaking caricature…
August 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pmIt does not take an escalated I.Q. to ‘translate’ a personal want or desire, into the correct question for some existing group of people in a community, nor should that be made up, or guessed!? Rather, this appropriate activity is a required skill of adult citizens, typically learned in high school, involving a comprehensive knowledge of the important, existing agencies of government, where help might be waiting; and includes at least one particular office or title, of one formal group, to approach for information, or assistance!!
August 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pmjjrocksarizona says:
Barack O’Bama is a F@#king idiot and America has been blinded by what this pious, arrogant fool American can not trust or have faith in to turn us back into what America once was. i say impeach his and his entire cabinet and let America be ran by Americans for Americans.
Impeach him on what grounds? Where the he1l were you when Bush/Cheney led us into a debacle even more baseless than the one you went through? America once had a budget surplus (see Clinton presidency). $1 trillion and over 4000 American lives later for that cluster fu3k and you want to impeach Obama?
August 29th, 2009 at 10:30 pmBut thanks again for mentioning his piety in the midst of your rant. That took some guts coming from a right-winger.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pmbob hussein lablah says:
Impeach him on what grounds?
That’s an excellent question. I have yet to hear any of the “anti-Obama” maniacs actually express the grounds for any Articles of Impeachment they could propose. This does us all a disservice, because I’m sure that any such list would be most entertaining.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:25 amBizz49 says:
Do YOU realize that you are a moron who is just regurgitating realy STUPID talking points? Bush became President in 2000 and Democrats didnt take congress until 2006 YOU MORON. I could educate you on how stupid your other talking points are too but I am weary of the reruns for stupid and slow trolls program. Your talking points are old and they are stupid. Like YOU. Oh YEAH. I am proud of dungbeetle. The days of liberals taking abuse and not returning it are gone. Get over it. Cowboy up of STFU
August 30th, 2009 at 8:50 amBizz49 says:
Now please don’t tell me that you have forgotten the 98% democrat support of the war,
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First of all you are a liar. The majority of Congressional dems voted AGAINST the war. Why do you lie so much. I mean other than that you are so stupid you dont have any idea what you are talking about and just regurgitate what Rush TOLD you to think. Second since you are too stupid to even know the NAME of the largest political party in America you are too stupid to be taken seriously
August 30th, 2009 at 9:01 amjjrocksarizona says:
And I say you are a moron. I also say you are an embarassment to us DECENT Arizona residents
August 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am