Cheney Endorses CIA Interrogators Going ‘Beyond The Specific Legal Authorization’
Cheney Endorses CIA Interrogators Going ‘Beyond The Specific Legal Authorization’
The recently released 2004 CIA Inspector General’s report on the Bush administration’s interrogation policies revealed a program that was poorly supervised and resulted in “unauthorized, improvised, inhumane and undocumented” tactics. This unauthorized coercion included menacing “a detainee with a handgun and a power drill,” staging a mock execution, saying that they were “going to kill your children,” and aggressive waterboarding.
Today on Fox News Sunday, Cheney said that he had no problem with these interrogation tactics — even though they went “beyond the specific legal authorization.” In fact, Cheney said these tactics were “absolutely essential” to keeping the United States safe:
WALLACE: Do you think what they did, now that you’ve heard about it, do you think what they did was wrong?
CHENEY: Chris, my sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives, in preventing further attacks against the United States, in giving us the intelligence we needed to go find al Qaeda, to find their camps, to find out how they were being financed. … It was good policy. It was properly carried out. it worked very, very well.
WALLACE: So even these cases where they went beyond the specific legal authorization, you’re okay with it.
CHENEY: I am.
Watch it:
There have been no documents supporting Cheney’s claim that torture was essential to saving American lives. Even CIA memos from 2004 and 2005, which Cheney claimed would back him up, have been released and have no evidence linking torture to valuable intelligence. In fact, these memos show that “non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information.”
Transcript:
WALLACE: The inspector general’s report, which was just released, from 2004 details some specific interrogations. Mock executions. One of the detainees threatened with a handgun, with an electric drill. Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times. First of all, did you know that was going on?
CHENEY: I knew about the waterboarding, not specifically in any one particular case, but as a general policy we had approved. The fact of the matter is the Justice Department reviewed all those allegations several years ago. They looked at this question of whether someone had an electric drill in an interrogation session. It was never used on the individual, or that they brought in a weapon, never used on the individual. The judgment was made then that there wasn’t anything there that was improper or illegal with respect to –
WALLACE: Do you think what they did, now that you’ve heard about it, do you think what they did was wrong?
CHENEY: Chris, my sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives, in preventing further attacks against the United States, in giving us the intelligence we needed to go find al Qaeda, to find their camps, to find out how they were being financed. Those interrogations were involved in the arrest of nearly all of the al Qaeda members that we were able to bring to justice. I think they were directly responsible for the fact that for eight years, we had no further mass casualty attacks against the United States. It was good policy. It was properly carried out. it worked very, very well.
WALLACE: So even these cases where they went beyond the specific legal authorization, you’re okay with it.
CHENEY: I am.
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More evidence that Dick(head is a WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 10:01 amDarth Cheney is as much an embarrassment to this nation as GDumbya is. The only difference is that GDumbya at least has had the good sense to sit down and STFU.
I caught Little Chrissy Wallace’s interview on FoxSnooze Sunday this morning and found myself wondering why Darth Cheney is so upset about Holder’s decision to investigate the torture issue. Is it because:
1. Cheney’s mad that the bodies he’s buried may not stay buried?
2. Cheney doesn’t like the idea that Holder is properly function as an independent Attorney General as opposed to the meat-puppets who served during the GDUmbya administration?
3. Cheney is scared sh!tless about getting hauled off to jail or to the Hague as a result of this effort?
It is absolutely appalling that FoxSnooze continues to give this heartless criminal airtime.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:03 amIf there is any justice in this world, this arrogant, wicked man will be tried for his heinous crimes before he dies.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:04 amWell Dick….your logic then makes the Holocaust ok since it achieved its purpose of “cleansing” Germany and other parts of Europe.
Americans have often asked themselves how the German citizens could fall in line for Hitler and his policies. The mass propaganda by Goebbels paved the way to make the Germans feel victimized by anyone not of Aryan descent and that anything that would protect them from this threat was ok. Not all that different from what Fox News does now to whip up the rightwingers into a frenzy and allows people like Cheney to advance the idea that the end justifies the means no matter what.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:06 amNotice that this creep only appears when he has a lie to sell.
Otherwise he hides from the public in his ‘undisclosed location’. that’s his history, that’s his M.O.
If he appears on tv, you can almost be certain he is lying.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:07 amWe are talking Darth Cheney of COURSE he does. The man exudes pure evil.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:09 amSeems the cookies worked much better…
August 30th, 2009 at 10:10 amRepublicanism is a mental disorder.
Do you need any more proof.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:13 amThe fact that Cheney can go on TV and advocate torture without being challenged and/or arrested is a testament to how depraved Cheney; the government; the capitalist, corporate media and his supporters are – the last two being one in the same.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:18 amI wish I believed there was a hell!
August 30th, 2009 at 10:33 amCheney and FOX News is(are) peddling snake oil. Even if the enhanced interrogation techniques are 100% effective, that does not make them legal. It is not germane to the discussion, a mere distraction from the reality of war crimes.
Cheney and Bush have ordered the torture of American prisoners, and have publicly confessed to their crimes. The fact that they are still free means America is not a nation that obeys the very first rule of law. The law must apply to every American equally, or there is no reason for any American to obey any law.
Bush and Cheney must be punished for their crime or America ceases to be a nation governed by laws. Until they are punished, we are a nation in anarchy.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:35 am…the intelligence we needed to go find al Qaeda, to find their camps, to find out how [...] it worked very, very well.
really…?
got bin ladin?
August 30th, 2009 at 10:36 amIt’s time to torture dick cheney to find out what he knows about the nuclear attack coming to America!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html
August 30th, 2009 at 10:37 amI know it is hard, but we really need to be patient and let Eric Holder do his job – by the book! The righties continually refer to Obama as another Hitler and if action was taken against Bush/Cheney/et al too soon, without crossing all the tees and dotting all the eyes, then we’d hear that Obama’s *Gestapo* are on the move.
As some famous person (who’s name escapes me) said: “The Wheels of Justice turn slowly but exceedingly fine.”
Few news/media commentators (can’t call them *reporters*) ever confront either of the Cheneys (and the other liars) – are they afraid of them, or have they not done their homework? Whatever the reason, it is disgusting that they pull in the paychecks they do for doing a half-assed job. We don’t expect Fox to ever contradict the wingnuts, but one can only hope that some of the other networks would do a better job.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:40 amOf course he is on Faux, News they are on his side and will not ask any challenging questions at all……..they are all still drinking the same KOOL AID on the Reich.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:46 amGreatGranny2B says:
I know it is hard, but we really need to be patient and let Eric Holder do his job…
feinstein just now on Face the Nation is upset that there are dribbles of information coming out… she wishes that her committee was able to gather info and complete the report fully instead…
something like that…
August 30th, 2009 at 10:47 amhalf listening, so i could be mistaken…
Cheney–Above the law…
August 30th, 2009 at 10:49 amNotice Dick Cheney perpetuating another lie – that the Bush Administration policies kept the nation safe for eight years. This is a flat-out lie, designed to make people forget that the attacks of 9/11, and the anthrax attacks that followed, all happened on their watch! And Cheney is specifically attributing that safety to the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, which should not have existed for most of the first year of their administration.
If the EITs were being used for eight years, the full time of their terms in office, then they failed to keep us safe from the 9/11 and Anthrax attacks, so they’re lying. And if they were only being used after 9/11, then those techniques did not keep us safe for eight full years, and still they’re lying. (And didn’t they stop using them around 2005, when serious questions about their legality become exposed?) Either way, Dick Cheney is lying, as he so often does when he appears on TV interviews.
Dick Cheney is a very sick man, both mentally and physically.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:57 amnot a surprise that bob scheiffer gave orrin hatch “the last word” that with kennedy gone there is no democrat to get reform done… because of the public option the democrats want, etc…
no one to correct that remark, the fact that it was kennedy’s bill that included the public option…
gaa… now he’s on abc… hopefully kerry will set it straight…
oh, and daughter of darth on the roundtable…
August 30th, 2009 at 11:04 amyes! he did! “teddy would FIGHT for that public option”
thank you!
August 30th, 2009 at 11:07 amBob Scheiffer is a RePugniScum shill. Never trust this so-called “journalist.”
August 30th, 2009 at 11:08 amwow… seems george will wrote something profound (choke)…
that ted kennedy was the “most consequential” of the kennedy brothers…
gee… ya think maybe it had to do with the fact that he lived
OVER 40 MORE YEARS?!!!?
yeesh…
August 30th, 2009 at 11:22 amHow many times does it take??? 20 – 30 – unlimited?
Cheney goes on NATIONAL TEEVEE and confesses to WAR CRIMES and it’s almost like the media (almost all) says ‘duh, ok” and walks away !! UNBELIEVABLE !!!
This man is publicly confessed WAR CRIMINAL AND WE AS A COUNTRY JUST LETS HIM WALK AWAY!!!
UNBELIEVABLE !!!
August 30th, 2009 at 11:22 amNow that you’ve heard about it??!! WTF!!
Cheney probably jacked off to the torture videos before he destroyed the evidence.
Wallace should change his name to Goebbels.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:28 amDick Cheney has been opposed to any form of investigation of the former Bush Administration for fear such investigations will ultimately lead to his former office.
There is little doubt Cheney gave the green light for CIA operatives and private contractors to use enhanced torture.
Remember it was Cheney who immediately accused enlisted personnel at Au Ghraib for abusing prisoners. Anyone who has served in the military knows enlisted personnel do not formulate policy, they simply obey orders.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:28 amFrog march…
I guess it was all just a bad dream, eh?
August 30th, 2009 at 11:33 amGeorge says – Hehehe, Dick used to buy crates of Ken dolls and would practice torturing them, he called his ‘Islamo’ and I called mine ‘Brown Guy’, Dick would burn em and pull their arms and legs off, I just put firecrackers in them and blew them up, after a while Dick got tired of the Ken dolls and started buying up cute kittens and puppies, he just had a blast with them, he said our master, Satan required it…what you think Dick?
Dick says – I need fresh blood from cute kittens and puppies.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:34 amCheney is a symbol of the triumph of wealth and influence over justice. He is one of our most profound national disgraces. He is perhaps the most dishonorable person I can think of. His prosecution for war crimes would be the single most patriotic act our government could undertake.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:35 amHere’s the secret to robbing banks. Are you ready for it? If you get away with it, it’s legal.
“Yes officer, I did rob that bank. However, with that money I paid off all my bills so I see it as a great success.” “But it’s against the law to rob banks!”, replied the officer. “But sir, shouldn’t we be looking forward?”, I answered.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:39 amCheney belongs in jail, along with his little merry band of cowardly torture enthusiasts.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:55 amforgive me if i’m beating the proverbial dead horse here, but if it’s true that bush delegated power to cheney during the first administration, and nobody in intelligence was told of this, and as a result, nobody properly briefed cheney and therefore nothing was done prior to 9/11, then is it fair to say that cheney felt it was personally his fault that it happened? and if so, wouldn’t it make sense that in his mind it was justified to do *anything* to prevent a further attack, and justified to make any excuse for it, even if only to obfuscate his role in the original attack?
August 30th, 2009 at 11:56 amCheney laments the “terrible precedent” set by “second guessing” a previous administrations policys, in an attempt to make it seem “politically motivated,” rather than a matter of law.
The “terrible precedent” was Bush/Cheney’s total disregard for established law with their “politically motivated” BS legal opinions from their OLC and “Justice” Department under Ashcroft and Gonzo. These specious opinions were their license to do as they damn well pleased regarding conduct of the “war on terror” and detainee interrogations.
The latest batch of released documents offers no proof these illegal tactics “saved thousands of lives” as Cheney often claims, even though the real question is their legality, not their “effectiveness.”
American law requires Holder as AG to investigate if it appears laws were broken, and to determine if indeed criminal conduct occurred. There is nothing political about it.
Cheney betrays his belief that the law is anything an administration says it is, therefore placing himself and others above it, and not having to answer to it.
This is the precedent that needs to be destroyed if America is ever to be restored as a nation of laws, not men, again.
Prosecutions of wrong doing are the only way to accomplish this desperately needed restoration.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pmNixon said the ends justify the means and we know what happened to him. I find it appalling that Cheney is claiming the same argument to justify torture when that was rejected before. I suppose it is the only argument he can make for knowingly violating the law.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pmstjack, no
August 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pmwell, stjack, i think maybe…
but, if so, it also exposes more illegalities…
bush should never have delegated power to cheney.
i get your logic trail… doesn’t make it right…
i think you know that.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm“Take my word for it, and I have the proof for its success but you can’t see it because it’s secret. I’ve convinced myself that torture worked, and has saved thousands of hypothetical lives….and we got back at those bastards too!” Go torture someone? It will make you feel better??
August 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pmI recommend a stress position for Cheney until he tells everything. Show him a drill and rev it up. And tell him his daughter’s gonna be killed if he doesn’t ‘fess up.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pmSee how he likes it then.
This just in, Cheney is wrong, denies everything.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe spawn of Torquemada, Liz, was most obnoxious today on This Week.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pmThe media is all-too-willing to give this lying warmonger a microphone to spew his venom – he should be talking to a prosecutor.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:27 pmWALLACE: So even these cases where they went beyond the specific legal authorization, you’re okay with it.
CHENEY: I am.
Sounds like a confession to me.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThe man is pure evil.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pmNice spread there Dick….Now, I would like the state run media to give us a few shots of Charlie’s million dollar real estate holdings.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:50 pmI sent the following comment to ABC News…if you can call it that…
August 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
WHY is this asshat still on our tee vees? Wouldn’t talk for eight years about what he was doing, and now the jerk won’t shut up.
SHUT UP YOU DICK!!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pmWell at least we’re not talking about a real investigation of the Pearl Harbor event, right dick ?
August 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pmdixie, I also wrote to the Stephanopolous show with similar comments.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pmI can’t stand the Cheney family, from the dick to the spawn, they are lying, obnoxious and should be exiled from television. The dick, however, should be facing a war criminal trial.
History will not be kind to torturers. It never has and that will not change.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pmIs Cheney a sadist? Hello-oo!! Didn’t a recent news story report that even before the Department of Justice had sanctioned it, Cheney decided that an “enemy combatant” (read, prisoner) would be subjected to further “harsh interrogation” (read, waterboarding) — even though the man in question was already co-operating? Why would you continue to punish someone who’s already agreeing to help you unless you quite simply get off on intimidating, bullying, and hurting people? Cheney’s temperament in general suggests that this is someone who either believes that the only way to get people’s respect is to make them fear him (which happens to be a fallacy) — or someone who doesn’t give a damn about respect and simply loves throwing his weight around like any common-or-garden variety thug or schoolyard bully.
It should be fairly clear to any halfway perceptive person that not only is this a man who believes himself to be above the law — this is a man who believes that he’s not subject to rules of any kind, whether human or divine, other than his own. In short, this man is not just a sadist — he fits the classic definition of a sociopath. He may claim to believe in God, but he certainly doesn’t act like it — because no religious belief system that I’ve ever heard of accepts the principle that “the end justifies the means”. That’s always an example of a human being corrupting religious belief in an attempt to excuse, justify, and rationalize what he or she already wants to do and give himself or herself permission to behave unethically. Oh, Cheney believes in God, all right — because he clearly believes that he can do no wrong which essentially means, whether he’s consciously aware of it or not, that he believes he is God. Either that, or the only God he believes in is called Power For Its Own Sake — which puts him on a par with O’Brien from Orwell’s “1984″, who was also quite clearly a sadist and a sociopath.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pmO/T, does anyone know if Cheney was at Ted’s funeral yesterday?
I am guessing he wasn’t, but can’t find verification…
August 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pmIt was daylight so I’m pretty sure he was in his undisclosed coffin somewhere until the sun set.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
For Cheney to be “LEGALLY” correct…
… TORTURE HAS TO BECOME LEGAL!
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August 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm“CHENEY: Chris, my sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives, in preventing further attacks against the United States, in giving us the intelligence we needed to go find al Qaeda, to find their camps, to find out how they were being financed. … It was good policy. It was properly carried out. it worked very, very well.”
Properly put, BULLPUCKY. We knew where alQaeda was and where their camps were before we ever captured one terrorist out of the group. We probably even had a pretty good idea of how they were being financed, with a handle on some of the intermediaries in the money chain.
This is where Wallace proves his general worthlessness. He could have challenged Cheney on those points, just from information in the public record, but he chose to suck up, instead.
Cheney has a serious ethical, moral, and legal problem to go along with his physical ailments.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pmSlappyBastinado
August 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm– Still seeking your voice? Still a wannabe Palin? So many questions…
yeah… sometimes i wish he’s live long enough for a trial…
lately, i think they may be waiting him out…
either way, hurry up.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pmI think Cheney will look rather spiffy in an orange cover alls.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pmCheney wants to be supreme leader of the Regipizan Nation.
I’m sure glad he’s being investigated now, and nobody listens to him any more.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pmIf you look up the word “evil” in the dictionary, you will find that the definition is Dick Cheney. That is one man I won’t shed a tear for when he takes his seat at the table in hell.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pmIf he is on TV, somebody unfortunately may still be listening to him. But the sooner this criminal is locked up and gagged, the better.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pmRetroactively.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pmSupreme Leader Dick: “Chris, my sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives, in preventing further attacks against the United States, in giving us the intelligence we needed to go find al Qaeda, to find their camps, to find out how they were being financed.”
Blah, blah, blah… Interesting that Dick still regurgitating how the interrogation techniques were essential to saving American lives. And still Dick think about if the levees were fixed some time ago that it would reduce the amount of lives lost in Hurricane Katrina? No. Oh by the way, today is the 4th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Let’s not forget Dick’s trip to Mississippi and his scoping the land for possible contract bids for Halliburton.
The cat is out of bag on Dick’s involvement in the torture techniques, his control over the CIA and DOJ, and so on. The media is not questioning why this former VP is on the teevee circuit defending policies from the past Administration and yet the former clown President, who was in charge, is silenced.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:58 pmWhat do you expect from a man who would shoot a hunting partner in the face and then demand an apology from the victim?
An interview with Chris Wallace…
History has your number Dick, and soon enough Wallace and the rest of your knobblers will be gone.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pmCheney’s explicitly confessing to illegal acts here.
You know, you’d think at some point he might want to quit digging that hole deeper and just shut up.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pmCheney had no problem invading Iraq and murdering hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children in order to gain access to their oil. Why should he care about torturing tens of thousands of innocent civilians who got in his way?
Cheney and the GOP are pure evil.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pmwhat a Hero!
August 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pmEspecially since we torture to justify the neo-con agenda.
Again people, where is the liberal media to refute this nonsense.Where are the reporters who can write about this in our national newspapers. The strategy seems to be .tell a story enough times and the public will believe it.Put it on Fox and all the wide eyed people can spread the word.
August 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pmwhatizz says:
Again people, where is the liberal media to refute this nonsense.Where are the reporters who can write about this in our national newspapers.
When 85% of our MSM is owned and controlled by conservatives, there really aren’t many liberal journalists who have a platform from which they can speak. Until we do something about the media consolidation that has occurred in the last 10 years, it will stay the same.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pmThere never was a liberal media, unfortunately.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pmAccording to Cheney’s “One Percent Doctrine” and way of thinking we need to waterboard him to find out:
1. What was his involvement with Haliburton’s business dealings with Iran?
2. The truth about his actions during 9-11
3. Why did his “Terrorism Taskforce” hold no meetings prior to 9-11?
4. If there’s anything he knows about the anthrax attacks tht we need to find out?
5. How involved was he in the treasonous Valerie Plame outing?
6. Did he profit from his connection with Haliburton by the lies he told about WMD, yellowcake and a non-existant Iraq- Al Queda connection when he was VP?
7. If there any truth to the rumors about his connection to the DC Madam who ‘committed suicide’?
8. Did he really have “just one beer” like he claimed before shooting his friend in the face.
And just for the hell of it;
What exactly were his “other priorities” that caused him to seek 5 deferments from service during the Vietnam War?
According to his “One Percent Doctrine”, Cheney could still be a threat to the US (or hunting companions) and needs to be waterboarded for the sake of national security.
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i aint you says:
Look toostupidtobeus. Your ignorant brainwashed talking points. The ones you have been brainwashed with are too stupid to be dealt with for the fiftieth time. Bottom like you are a MORON. You are stupid and brainwashed and spewing the stupid you were programmed with. Its old. It was stupid the first time and only a moron of your monumental proportions would still be hypnotized by it like a magpie by a shiny object. You SHOULD be ashamed but you are too stupid for that too. By the way only brainwashed Limborg hiveminders talk about Obama being a messiah or a holy one. That is just one more thing that you have to be stupider than dryer lint to take seriously. You are stupid and you are always going to be stupid but at this point you are teetering toward dementia. Get help
August 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pmi aint you says :
6.George Hussein Onyango Obama
Barack Obama’s youngest half-brother, George, has lived in poverty for the past ten years on the outskirts of Nairobi, Kenya.
So?? Why don’t you send some of YOUR money to him then?!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm70. iaintyou sez:…
Hey, Barney, if you don’t clean up your act; start checking your spelling and doing some proofreading before you post, somebody is going to start slamming you for grammatical and syntactical errors. In my book, and maybe in a few others, if you can’t hack grammar and syntax, then there’s a pretty good chance you’re engaging in fact-free rant. Just in your lead sentence there are three spelling errors. How do you expect anyone to understand your yelping if it’s just a pile of screwed-up garble? Eh?
August 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pmProgressives are against torture because we do not want Obama to be tortured to find out if there is any truth to wingnut talking points.
Uh huh…..
August 30th, 2009 at 7:25 pmah yeah… well that first line was good for a chuckle…
August 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pmthat’s all i needed… even added the abuse button…
too much stupid…
Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois, was a member of the radical Weatherman organization in the 1960s and ’70s. He and Obama have met on several occasions and were both on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago.
I really like this one. Obama met a few times and sat on the same board as a man who in the 70’s was a weatherman. Who has never been a crime. Is a respected member of the educational community and to a REALLY stupidwingnut like Iamtoostupidtobebelieved that is some kind of scandal. Yeah.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pmHi i aint you
August 30th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThe reason I am opposed to torture is because it doesn’t work and the thing is that it appears that the experts on the subject agree with me. Just google Georgetown and torture. Anyway, it you aren’t afraid feel free to get back to me on that. See ya then…
How much longer is it going to take before this WAR CRIMINAL and his LAP DOGS = Dubya, Condi, Rumsfeld, Libby, et. al., are going to be arrested and tried for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY????????
Jeez Louise! – Hitler is Laughing his a$$ off in Hell right now at the cowardice of the Justice Department!!!!
THE MAN IS A WAR CRIMINAL – ARREST AND TRY HIM!!!!!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:56 pmbeloved holly one?
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So you think you know better than the experts who disagree with you do you? So where did you come to your knowledge oof this topic and how come the experts think you are wrong? Let’s go pussy pony up…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pmIf you staked the suckers to AN ant hill, you would be guilty of torture, and you would be facing the death penalty for it.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pmand just what was i supossed to find from a liberal bias university?
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Well just that you are a pretender that is totally full of shit and who i can walk all over whenever I feel like…
http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=31844
August 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pmthe cookies are a fine idea and appear to be the one thing that worked…
August 30th, 2009 at 8:40 pmSo big guy are you planning on refuting these opinions and explaining your expertise or am I done with you?
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iaintyou@81 said,
August 30th, 2009 at 8:50 pmGiven your horrendous spelling and grammar usage, you probably only have a high school education, and not a very good one at that. Perhaps you were supposed to find an education from a university.
Why? Will they get dirty? I’ll wash them afterwards. K? So let’s talk about about that odd neighborhood you grew up in shall we. How many WW1 vets were there? Did they hang out much with the Korea vets? How come no ‘Nam vets?
August 30th, 2009 at 8:50 pmOpps seem the ‘Nam dudes live there too. Sorry for the oversight. Where was this place where you were sleeping with some many dudes? Are you homeless because it is a real shame the number of vets that are forced into shelters by our shitty system for dealing with mental health issues. Do you have mental health issues?
August 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pmbut i sure the hell know what it is.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pm—
I am all ears…Let’s go poser…
Can you at least tell me about the gnarliest scar? Come on it is fun to play pretend…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pmThis kid doesn’t even know how to communicate using the English language. To him, torture is having to finish his homework.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:10 pmSoare you arguing that the cookies didn’t work?
August 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pmThe iaintyou troll appears to be voting you down dbadass, not that it matters. We voted his fascist Republican Party down, and that is all that really matters.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pmSeems that one vote is all they have. I was hoping they had nerve and integrity…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:22 pmno we’ll not talk bout my “odd neighbor”, but I will tell you it was up in north MN just off the Canada boarder, a lot of vets went up there so they could “recoup” themselves, and be left alone, most of them were Vietnam vets, if I remember right we only had one WWI vet– my mother took care of him till he died in 82, I worked for 3 Korean vets, and a Nam vet, the others I knew from my step dad’s gun shop. And yes the Korean vets did hang out with Sam till he died.
Form these guys I learned real quick that the history books are as wrong as the publics view, now I live in OR and spend a lot of time with my father-in-law , whom, by the way is a Korean vet the government screwed over
August 30th, 2009 at 9:23 pmHave you considered a career in ecojewelry making?Just kidding. Let’s get back to you premise about torture being okay shall we? Dad’s gun shop is sort of interesting but guns are sort of lame. I prefer to kill with my hands…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pmAll the Republicans that had integrity don’t want to call themselves Republicans anymore.
On another note, I am not sure I like sharing this blog with another badass. Then again, I don’t think you are all that badass anymore, because you put it in your name. I am betting we are both a bit past our prime badass days.
Now if you were the kind of badass who isn’t afraid to walk around wearing a pink shirt…;)
August 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pmI make tons of typos so please don’t get me wrong but I have a thing about adverbs. My quess is that it wasn’t a typo and that you don’t really learn QUICKLY. Either way drive safe…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:31 pmHow did the government screw over your father, the Korean War vetran?
August 30th, 2009 at 9:32 pmNow if you were the kind of badass who isn’t afraid to walk around wearing a pink shirt…;)
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August 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pmMine is coral and I come from a long line of badass’s
Judging from you language skills, the only universities that will accept you would be Liberty and Regents.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:34 pmi aint you says:
Yeah toostupidtobeus. We get it you are an evil soulless piece of filth. By the way you insufferable MORON you are a liar and a fool and an ignorant punkass troll. Why doesnt it embarass you to be so stupid and pathetic? Why would anyone be so proud to be as stupid as you are?
August 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pmi aint you says:
Liberal bias university? My GOD you are stupid. I dont even know what that is supposed to mean unless you think there is a liberal bias to knowing things and you prefer to be ignorant. Judging by your stupid posts I guess that makes sense
August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pmAnd judging from my previous post, it is time for me to start wearing reading glasses when using the computer.
you = your @103
August 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pmI wear pink and peach but I am a first generation badass. My father could not have killed a fly.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pmAnd yes the Korean vets did hang out with Sam till he died.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pm—
I wonder what they did after he died. I am quessing many games of Skip-Bo…
Levi the Dungbeetle says:
I only have a high school education. If that moron got out of the third grade with a passing grade I would be shocked
August 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pmNot all highschools have equal standards. Iaintyou is probably home schooled, and Baptist.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pmMy father could not have killed a fly.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pm–
Nor mine. He is an artist and a thinker and I have been thinking a lot of him since I heard the Kennedy boys speak of their father
Call a WAAAAmbulance for this traitor.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:41 pmWhat is that a neck size of 17 inches? I got the rope, you muddafugga. You WILL HANG.
iaintyou@87 said,
August 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pmThis reminds me of Steele’s grand plan where all his mistakes are just part of the great scheme to restore Republicans to power.
I love that episode were Homer’s shirt is turned pink by Bart’s red cap in the laundry. Free thinking anarchist indeed…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:52 pmMost of the ant hills I have come across do not have many solid parts for a stake to find purchase…
August 30th, 2009 at 9:55 pmiaintyou
and i did mean “A” ant hill,
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Yeah you mean A ant hill when someone NOT a moron would mean AN anthill
August 30th, 2009 at 9:59 pmFunny how the repugs were all about the rule of law when Clinton was in office lied about a blow job by an intern.
“It’s the law” they cried, in unison.
Now they sing a different song. The Bush/Cheney regime not only broke many laws, they broke treaties, they corrupted the DoJ, they destroyed our integrity in the world (most of the world laughed at the puritanical reaction to Clinton’s scancal.) and they deliberately attempted to give away a treasury surplus to the most wealthy, while they cut programs for the needy, while they conducted a war off the budget books, hired and paid corrupt corporations, and bribed bandits in Iraq — it was all part of the plan to reduce the government and favor wealthy, connected corporations.
All of these things were illegal, but the lie to involve us in a war (and exposing a covert CIA agent) was most egregious and worthy of a lifetime in the federal penetentiary.
It is only because the Democrats are spineless that the minority party can still control this matter of prosecution.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pmI don’t want the Dems to imitate the repugs and play dirty, but I do expect them to uphold the rule of law, particularly on these extremely serious issues.
Re: iaintyou @ 87…
With all due respect, guys, I really don’t see the point in trying to get IAY to see reason. IAY strikes me as the kind of person I described on another thread…someone who not only sees absolutely nothing wrong with having a double standard, but someone who’s actually proud of it because he thinks that being a nationalist is the same thing as being a patriot. It seems clear that as far as he’s concerned, the United States can do no wrong and anything the United States does is justifiable because We’re The Good Guys and God Is On Our Side (an all too conveniently self-serving argument if there ever was one, which is why it should make any rational person think twice). However, if anyone else does the same things no matter what the provocation, it’s inexcusable and they’re nothing more than evil and savage heathens who need to be taught a lesson. It’s precisely this mindset which is slowly destroying our reputation with the rest of the world — although there’s no doubt in my mind that IAY doesn’t give a damn about that — and which over the last few decades has slowly been turning us into a 21st Century equivalent of the Roman Empire ruled by the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:38 pmCan Cheney name one person specifically that their life was saved specifically and directly and factual time line displayed beyond any reasonable doubt? That this persons life was save because of torture?
August 31st, 2009 at 2:40 amReggie,
You forgot about Bob Jones–that famous non-accredited university.
Reggie says:
iaintyou@81 said,
a(A)nd just what was i(I) supossed(supposed) to find from a liberal bias university?
Judging from you language skills, the only universities that will accept you would be Liberty and Regents
August 31st, 2009 at 6:28 amBluestocking, agreed. To paraphase someone here on the board earlier this week:
you can’t use rational thinking to change someone’s mind about something that they didn’t use rational thinking to arrive at.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:48 ami aint you says:
the only reason you dems are agaist torture is because you don’t want it used against your beloved holly one to find the truth oabut the following…
President Barack Obama was implicated in a variety of “scandals” during the course of his campaign for office…
Yes, that is correct. I am also against torture because I don’t want it used against Democratic politicitians to confirm Republican political smears. Many fascist regimes, particularly South America used torture against opposition politicians for exactly that purpose. It’s pretty much the mark of a tyrannical dictatorship.
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i aint you says:
I for one, would have staked the suckers to a ant hill…
but you guys would’ve just got them a good cup of coffee and a cookie,
My coffee/cookie technique would have yielded valuable intelligence. Your ant thing would just get your own pscho-killer rocks off.
Hey, here’s a question that all conservatives refuse to answer: if acting nice to a terrorist was the only thing that could save American lives, would you be willing to do it?
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i aint you says:
what i’ve learned of torture Techniques comes from vets of ww I, WWII, Korea, Veitnam, and Native Amricans i grew up with, i’ve seen their scars, and heard them scream at night.
And yet you identify with their tormentors. You should tell them that to their face sometime, find out how they feel about you emulating their captors. You might be surprised to find out they aren’t so enthusiastic about you using their personal experiences to promote the use of more torture.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:22 amLiz Cheney keeps interupting people. That is considered wrong.
So is water-boarding.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pmBTW – i find Liz and Dick cheney terrifying. Imagine if someone like them clawed their way into power again!!!!!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pmvery thanks for article!
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 am