Radical Arizona preacher hopes ‘God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy.’
Radical Arizona preacher hopes ‘God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy.’
Arizona Pastor Steven Anderson has received national attention for dedicating an entire sermon to “Why I hate Barack Obama,” and for having a parishioner who brought an AR-15 to a protest outside a speech delivered by President Obama. Calling Obama a “socialist devil” and a “murderer,” Anderson declared, “I’m not gonna pray for his good. I’m going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.” A CNN analyst said last week Secret Service agents had likely visited Anderson because of the content of his sermons. In the face of all the controversy, Anderson decided not to apologize or retract his remarks, but rather, he escalated his rhetoric yesterday:
I hope that God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy. You know, and I hope it happens today.
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The guy is a total FREAK SHOW!
…pick him up and lock him up. He’s threatening the President of the United States.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:50 amHe’d best hope that’s not a boomerang curse.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:51 amif there was a god, this guy would have a brain
August 31st, 2009 at 10:51 amWow, that’s mi-i-i-i-i-i-i-ghty Christian of him!
NOT.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:52 amwell at the lease there tax exempt needs to be changed.
but he is preaching hate and harm how is that a christen thing to do.
but the again most religions are do as i say not as i do.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:57 ambecause exposing these roaches to sunlight is the best way to scatter them
August 31st, 2009 at 10:57 am“Reverend” Anderson is quickly becoming the new “Reverend” Phelps.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:57 amNimrods like this a-hole seem hell-bent on assuring organized christianity goes the way of the republic party.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:57 am“How many people in that congregation today”
“About 30″
So why is it CNN and TP and others are giving this clown a national stage?
August 31st, 2009 at 10:57 amDoes a church get tax exempt status if the preacher is in jail for threatening the President?
Sounds like the next fox political analyst.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:59 amSo much for intelligent discourse.
More hate coming from the extreme right…I’m sure the main stream media will pounce on this and appropriately chastise this idiot….yea, right.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:03 amHello All. I’ve been following this site for quite some time and appreciate the insightful and thoughtful comments by many here. I do respect comments posted by MissMolly and Zooey; they are always well thought-out and intelligently presented. That said…I can’t believe this “preacher” can even THINK of something this vile. It is wingnuts such as him that have made me rethink my attitude regarding religion.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:03 amMy parents taught me not to wish ill on anyone…
August 31st, 2009 at 11:04 amTwo things,First you have to laugh at the Hypocrisy from a Christian leader and second he should lose his Tax exempt status for bringing politics into his house of G-d.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:05 amThe guy with the sign is a bit of an idiot too. Back to the preacher: he’s trying to get more followers by saying outrageous stuff. Really, he’s a moron but I’ll pray for him….
August 31st, 2009 at 11:08 amPsychopaths and crazy cult leaders will say anything to get attention.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:08 amTo be precise Anderson isn’t actually threatening the President, just wishing him harm. But he is inciting hate from his pulpit, where he has influence.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:09 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Do the people in his congregation think that Jesus would condone this kind of rhetoric? The fact that anyone still goes to his church is the scary part. Arizona is a very scary state. Between it’s hateful nut job politicians and religious leaders and the fact that any citizen can walk down the street with a loaded gun strapped to him, I sure will never step foot in Arizona.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:10 amJPsThoughts says:
I don’t agree one bit with the pastor’s comments! He is completely anti what the majority of Christians believe. But he is free to say what he wants. It is interesting to me that no one made a big deal when people were saying the exact same statements about Bush…
Perhaps you can provide a link to proof of any religious leader hoping that George Bush died. You really gotta love righties like you who try to justify the unjustifiable by saying “they did it too”.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:11 amI predict a Jim Jones style ending for the very few fcukwits who “worship” at such a dumpy, piece of shit “church”, under such a psychotic “leader”.
PASS THE KOOLAID, GOOD TIMES ARE ARE HERE AGAIN!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:11 amJPsThoughts says:
I don’t agree one bit with the pastor’s comments! He is completely anti what the majority of Christians believe. But he is free to say what he wants. It is interesting to me that no one made a big deal when people were saying the exact same statements about Bush.
Ministers were telling their congregations Bush should get brain cancer and die? Really? I wonder where they were, because they didn’t seem to be in RealityLand.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:12 amArizona Pastor Steven Anderson has received national attention for dedicating an entire sermon to “Why I hate Barack Obama”
“I hope that God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy. You know, and I hope it happens today.”
Yep, sounds like a good Christian soul. Jesus would be so proud.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:12 amDemocracy is not pretty because it condones hate but it is less ugly than other forms of government.
This preacher reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw last year that read: “I like your Christ but I can’t stand your Christians. They are nothing like your Christ”.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amCan you provide a link to a pastor of a religious congregation saying he hoped that “God strikes George Bush with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy”?
It sure would help your credibility if you could. Thanks.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amWhen religion influences politics everyone loses.
I don’t care who your God is, keep it away from my government.
The 3 Abrahamic religions have caused more death & misery in the last 2,500 years than most people can imagine.
God DOES NOT do politics!
If you ‘need’ God as your government, move to Saudi Arabia. Or Iran. Or Dumbphuckistan.
America is founded on the principle Of the People, By the People & For the People. A unique concept, to be sure. Religion is muddying the waters to a point where we can’t even discuss real issues without ‘Faith’ being brought out.
Again, God DOES NOT do politics!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amI can’t find the scripture in my bible were Jesus prayed for people to die and go to Hell.
Can anyone help me out here?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amJp, think.
Maybe you can provide just one link where a preacher called for the death of bush. Just one. K?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:14 amralph the wonder llama says:
Yep, sounds like a good Christian soul. Jesus would be so proud.
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I’ll bet he has a genuwine Day-Glo plastic Jesus stuck on the dashboard of his truck to help guide him thru the night, ta boot.
Wonder how long until Fox News gives this guy his own slot, mebbe as a featured guest on Beck’s show?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:16 amI think it is pretty obvious who is the candidate for hell in this scenario. These wackos have no concept of restraint.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:16 amDr. Hussein Matt says:
I can’t find the scripture in my bible were Jesus prayed for people to die and go to Hell.
Can anyone help me out here?
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Your’e looking in the wrong chapters…
Try reading Republicans 1:1-10
August 31st, 2009 at 11:17 am1. Which preacher ever prayed that herr dubyah would die and go to Hell?
2. If someone dared questioned herr dubyah over the last 8 years, they were labeled as a ‘traitor’ and ‘terrorist’. Did you conveniently forget those facts?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:17 amMy guess is within the week. They’ll use the excuse of “controversy” to “report” on the story. Maybe whichever lucky host gets to host the good pastor will exhibit mild disdain or issue lukewarm condemnation. But it will be all about getting his incendiary views out there to a wider, generally receptive audience.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:18 amAnd teabagging hicks really want to claim that Islam is a religion of hate? Laughable.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:19 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
If — God forbid — a member of this congregation (or even somebody who downloaded an MP3 version of the “Why I Hate Barack Obama” sermon) actually did harm to the POTUS, will this jerk of a pastor step up to the plate and take the credit for it?
Or will he do a Bill O’Reilly and claim to have nothing to do with it?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:21 amSteve,
You’re fired.
Peace,
Jesus
August 31st, 2009 at 11:22 am1. Which preacher ever prayed that herr dubyah would die and go to Hell?
Actually, as a minister ordained in the Universal Life Church, I would qualify, except that I never pray for anything…
August 31st, 2009 at 11:22 amthe KKKristian cult is exposing itself for what it is…..a bloodthirsty indoctrination squad hell bent on world domination but in full meltdown mode.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 amLiterally, preaching hate.
All in the name of jeebus.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 amZimzone says
Again, God DOES NOT do politics!
i give you 10 thumbs up if i could as that statements is 100% correct.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 amYou can pick this guy up for a variety of offenses, including sedition. What’s the wait?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 amSo many people claim to speak for Jesus and God, when I’m willing to bet not one of them have ever received any godly personal confirmation that their message is what God or Jesus would want to be preached.
I claim to speak in the name of the Almighty Bob, with Arthur Dent as his heavenly-sent prophet. Holy Sandwiches for all!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:25 amI believe Pastor Anderson’s church is called “The Church of the Gutter.” Republicans flock to it.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:25 amDr. Hussein Matt says
August 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am
And teabagging hicks really want to claim that Islam is a religion of hate? Laughable.
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I suspect the teabagging hicks will continue to see the disciples of OBL as representative of all 1.5 Muslims of the world, while they see this Arizona crackpot as somebody who has nothing to do with most of Christianity.
And they won’t for a moment see the double standard.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:26 amoops — “1.5 Muslims” s/b “1.5 BILLION Muslims”
August 31st, 2009 at 11:29 amAhhhh, there’s the compassionate Christians I’ve grown to love and adore.
/snark.
Parodyll and idjit must be so proud.
Anyone. ANYONE that wishes death to our leader (whether current or past) is not practicing Christianity! It is raping the teachings of Christ (for their own political gain).
August 31st, 2009 at 11:29 amI, for one, am sick of it.
I am proud to be a liberal Christian, and teach love, NOT HATE! (you know, what Christ was striving for).
Is this McCain & Kyl’s church?
OT:
The NYT reports Glenn Blech has now lost FORTY SIX sponsors.
Beck stated, ‘It’s all good, God is now my sponsor’.
Beck’s show has also received non-prophet status from religious leaders around the globe.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:31 amI live in Orange County CA and about 5 miles away from the Saddleback Church…You know…Rev. Warren and his ilk. He and his actions convinced me that churches that “provide” political commentary shoulc pay taxes and lose their tax-exempt status. As many others have stated here, the separation between church and state needs to be brought back or the churches should be paying taxes. It’s crap like this that make my head want to explode!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:32 amAlso RE #32 Dr. H_M: You hit the nail on the head!
Pastor Voldemort doesn’t seem to understand that everyone dies, even those without brain cancer.
Why is the good Pastor so terrified of meeting his God?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:33 amWhat lots of people don’t want to admit is that a TRUE CHRISTIAN, who followed the teachings of Christ in letter and spirit, would have forgiven 9/11 immediately.
You may vote me down if you disagree, but “turn the other cheek” didn’t just apply to slaps in the face.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:35 amYes, I’m sure Jesus would love hearing this kind of talk in his name. This guy is a fruitcake, a genuine bonafide nut. As bad as Bush was I don’t believe I ever heard any “librul” praying that he died of some disease. That appears to be the exclusive perview of scumbags like Anderson who are begging God to strike someone dead. Of course he caveated his statememt saying he would never call for violence against Obama (just hopes he dies real soon). Pigs like Anderson would be much happier working with the Taliban.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:38 amAll you have to do is file the complaint. They will of course start whining immediatly but I don’t care.
We have done this dozens of times in Okla and have several pending:
http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=178241,00.html
August 31st, 2009 at 11:39 amIf we were a true “Christain” nation 911 would probably never have happened to begin with.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:41 amThese Psychochristians are persistent in their attempts to disprove God’s existence every time they speak. At least an active God who deals with human affairs. The God in the Bible I read would have immolated this freak or turned him into salt or buried him eyeball deep in frogs.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:42 amTax-exemption for churches is unconstitutional.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . is violated, I contend, because giving churches special tax treatment respects every religion by proxy.
What’s to stop me from lobbying for a tax credit or deduction for praying in my own home?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:42 amHey. How come Reverend Voldemart (Love it, Zooey) brought up the late Senator Kennedy’s name, but not Jack Kemp’s?
He don’t politicize much, do he?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:43 amHe must not be “Rapture Ready”.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:43 amToo bad the pastor’s bible doesn’t have a section on karma.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:43 amRadical Arizona preacher hopes ‘God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy.’
– - In today’s GOP, Pastor Anderson is considered a moderate.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:44 amI notice lots of thumbs down to various posts but not comments from the people doing them. Its a perfect example of the party of “no”; no courage, no intelligence, no common sense.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am“Tax the churches!”
“Tax the businesses owned by the churches!”
— Frank Zappa
August 31st, 2009 at 11:45 amWhite Folks have lost their minds. Hey it is ok to have a White President(s) for over 200 years BUT when the table is turned- all HELL brakes lose- Remember the whole world is watching us !!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:47 amNow where in the New Testament exactly does Jesus say or imply that “death prayers” are proper Christian practice? Is that really what Jesus would do? And which member of the Trinity plays the role of Celestial Assassin?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:48 amJust another reason I can’t stand organized religion.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:49 amPissedOffByTheLies says: It is wingnuts such as him that have made me rethink my attitude regarding religion.
Umm, arguably he’s not a “wingnut” but ‘mainstream’. He’s no different from Pat Robertson.
Most serving Republicans actually declare themselves representatives of ‘God’ above all and insist the ‘God’ is the ultimate source of authority and power and judgment and those claims don’t seem like selective pandering to me.
When Jesus supposedly said “when two or more are gathered together in my name, that is a church” (roughly) he could equally have said “when two or more are gathered together in my name, that is a political organization”.
Religions are the most easily corruptible constructs because ultimately they brook no argument–all things are ascribed to ‘God’ so to question ‘God’ is anathema. Proofs are not necessary, only blind acceptance and submission. Submission enables power and power demands to be exercised (otherwise it isn’t power).
When a religion’s power and authority IS challenged, it is viewed as a threat and that power is invariably exercised as intimidation and often violence—just like a political power.
Those who have acted humanely and selflessly through what they claim is divine inspiration are far outnumbered by those who do harm or whpo serve themselves in ‘God’s’ name.
There are surely just as many who are selfless and do good who do so without“divine inspiration”.
Religion is simply fantasy thus it is always in conflict with reality and reason. The concept of ‘God’ beyond being an attempt to explain the source of creation is patently ridiculous. Those who claim that ‘God’ informs their daily lives are functional lunatics.
Why, if someone objects to contraception because God says it is wrong, he is taken seriously but when someone kills their kids because God told them to, or lets their child die for lack of medicine because it’s God’s will, why is that person considered insane? What’s the difference?
Just some things to think about.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amMark: “I notice lots of thumbs down to various posts but not comments from the people doing them.”
Yes. Incredibly, cowardly little right-wing koolaid drinkers seem to be under the impression that a bunch of lame “vote down” hits will somehow affect how readers feel about a given post. Is it crazy? Absolutely. But, that’s just the way they are.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am#36 commented: “If — God forbid — a member of this congregation (or even somebody who downloaded an MP3 version of the “Why I Hate Barack Obama” sermon) actually did harm to the POTUS, will this jerk of a pastor step up to the plate and take the credit for it?”
Well if you notice, he caveats his hatred by claiming he would never call for violence (wants god to do his dirty work for him). That way, if anything ever happens to Obama that is tied back to his speech he can say, ‘I never told people to be violent’. This is SO typical of people who want others to act out their personal hatred.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am24. Dallas:
Actually, a paraphrase of Ghandi disparaging materialistic Christians.
Still, it certainly applies.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amMark701 says:
I notice lots of thumbs down to various posts but not comments from the people doing them.
I take it as a form of compliment. Heck, if someone is so frustrated with this site that they methodically vote down each and every “progressive” post, then we must have ruffled some feathers, to the point of aggravation!
Mission accomplished, I say!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amYou still haven’t provided any reference, citations, comparisons….NOTHING. Yeah, talking about narrow mindedness….your only retort was “What about Bush!!! Waaaahaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!”
August 31st, 2009 at 11:53 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
WOW! I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears!? I don’t know who is more crazy the preacher with his lunatic psychobabble or the members walking into the church strapped?!
WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF?! They don’t even have faith in the God they claim to serve?!
“For God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” 2 Timothy 1:7
Organized religion has become a dangerous tool for the righwingers!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am67. NinerFan,
Personally, I vote down right-wing tripe/race baiting/inane drivel. And anyone on the left (or right) who calls for violence. Any kind of violence.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:54 amJPsThoughts says:
August 31st, 2009 at 11:55 amIt is interesting to me that no one made a big deal when people were making the same statements about Bush.
What facts are you basing that lie on? A local guy attended a Bush visit near here and was ARRESTED for carrying an anti-Bush sign, NOT a sign that wished him dead (I think he would still be in jail). Another couple had one of those circular slash symbols over Bush’s name (or face) and also were arrested. NO ONE could speak against Bush because we were at war! It was unpatriotic! Yet everyone, even this “reverend” is permitted not only to wish Obama bodily harm but even carry weapons to his rallies. I think the government needs to investigate this church’s tax-exempt status. There needs to be a separation re-instituted between church and state.
The problem is that these hate filled clowns are give press rather than ridicule. There will eventually be violence and they mindless press will wonder, “How did this happen in American?”
August 31st, 2009 at 11:58 amI notice lots of thumbs down to various posts but not comments from the people doing them. Its a perfect example of the party of “no”; no courage, no intelligence, no common sense. says Mark701, passive-aggressively not having the courage or intelligence to actually comment in support of the comments he thinks don’t deserve “thumbs-down” flags.
Common sense tells me that that’s a crappy way to introduce yourself, Mark701.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pmIrony escapes you. Ok then, just provide one example of anyone calling for bush to die, anyone….
see how it turns out that you are the narrowminded one?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pmFred: (RE: #53) Thanks for the IRS link; I learn something new every day (though not always GOOD)
August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm5th: (RE: #66) Point taken; WE know they ARE wingnuts but “mainstream” to quite a few folks.
I recall a comment made by a coworker many years ago: “Religion is mind-control.” Perhaps that should be “mind out-of-control.”
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JPsThoughts says:
August 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
So you CAN’T provide proof of “lefties” calling for the death of Bush?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pmvidio is very helpful. Even if it comes from a phone. It’s hard for them to deny thier own words if it can be sent through email……they hate me. that’s how I know I’m making a difference.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pmWhy are you laughing fool. Sites like this are exactly why the republicans are becoming the modern day whigs…..
still waiting for your evidence that dems are as vile as republicans……still waiting.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pmI am EXTREMELY in favor of taxing churches. Especially mega churches with wealthy pastors who try to influence politics with their religious nonsense!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pmApparently this guy is misreading his bible. As a christian, to read something like this is just appalling… How about some truth:
In modern parlance – “He’s doing it wrong.” For those who aren’t so up on the word – those quotes are Jesus speaking.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pmLet me quote JPsThoughts directly, since he seems to have a difficult time owning them:
It is interesting to me that no one made a big deal when people were saying the exact same statements about Bush...
Yes, we added the qualification of a pastor on the left preaching such sentiments, since such a platform certainly gives a speaker some form of legitimacy that a blog comment forum, for instance, does not.
But our friend has since seemed to back off on his claim of “exact same statements”, since he has been unable to produce a comparable statement from any figure on the left.
It’s beginning to look like our friend JPsThoughts is playing a standard right-wing gambit: sling accusations, and then when challenged to back them up, blame those making the challenges.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmJPs”Thoughts” has turned out to be a problematic moniker.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The only time *I* ever called for Bush’s death was AFTER his trial and conviction for WAR CRIMES and TORTURE.
A vast difference there, wingnut.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pmSo… you CAN’T provide proof of “lefties” calling for the death of Bush.
Got it.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm#18 – JPsThoughts says:
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“It is interesting to me that no one made a big deal when people were saying the exact same statements about Bush…”
August 31st, 2009 at 11:09 am
The difference between the two is that a supposed “preacher” made those vile comments from his pulpit. I agree with the idea of “free speech”, but with Pres. Bush, anyone who was not pro-Bush had to go into a “free speech” zone. Pres. Obama doesn’t believe that “free speech” requires specific zones, as Obama views the entire United States as a free-speech zone.
During the Bush Presidency, not one single preacher stated any such thing from their bully-pulpit. I guess right-whiners have one standard for Republicans and another standard for Democratic Presidencies.
While I support the idea of free speech, I wonder how well ‘p’astor Anderson would feel about someone in his congregation exercising their free speech and saying that Anderson was embracing Satan based on his anti-American comments against President Obama? I’m pretty confident that Anderson would not be as supportive of free speech at that point.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pmThis troll is not very good at what he does.
Better trolls, please.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pmJPsThoughts says:
Come on…of course I can, there was a movie made about it, “Death of a President”, in 2006. On this site, it wasn’t a big deal.
Except it didn’t call for assassination. It only followed what could happen if that hypothetical situation occurred. If it advocated assassination, I’d be speaking out against it.
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JPsThoughts says:
I wonder what you would say if, God forbid, a similar movie came out about Obama??
That could make for a pretty interesting cautionary tale, actually.
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JPs”Thoughts” says:
August 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Ok, I get it. You really can’t come up with any proof of your absurd allegation.
It’s ok, we all make mistakes, but being able to admit it might get you a teeny bit of respect.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pmJ(erk)P(rick)can’tthink – typical brainless, reichwinger parrot…
…you are just not very smart, the depth of your ignorance is breathtaking.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pmThis “preacher” and his “church” are the lunatic fringe and representative of neither Christianity nor Arizona as a whole.
Paraphrasing a biblical quote of Jesus, “BEWARE the false prophets who come invoking my name, for they are the brood of vipers.”
As for Arizona being any more dangerous than anywhere else, yes the gun laws are lenient compared to most other states, AZ is ranked 22nd in per capita murders by state, with Phoenix 47th, and Tucson 80th by large metropolitan comparisons. Even with the open carry law, it is very rare to see anyone “strapped” in either city, based on what I’ve seen as a 40 yr. resident.
Sweeping, factless generalizations are a closed minded Repug trait, we progressives know better than to fall for that, don’t we?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pmOnly after you completely failed to back up your claim. I think I gave you plenty of opportunity to demonstrate otherwise, and instead you proved yourself a troll. And not a very good one at that.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pmOf course it didn’t call for the assasination of bush. It was not even an American movie.
Death of a President (2006), directed by Gabriel Range, is a British fictional documentary
strike 3. You do get baseball analagies don’t you?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Perhaps. I thought it was in bad taste when it came out, too.
But it still doesn’t fulfill the claim you made earlier.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#94 – JPsThoughts says:
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“Looks like you are the one playing a standard left-wing gambit: sling accusations, and then when challenged to back them up, blame those making the challenges.”
August 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Actually, that’s the standard right-whiner tactic used most often during the invasion of Iraq.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pmQ:”Why are we attacking Iraq, who had nothing to do with Sept. 11th?”
A:”Why do you hate America so much, you commie?!?!?!?”
JPsThoughts says:
And now you resort to name calling…typical.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
When you’ve got nothing, and you know it, resort to whining about name-calling.
Typical.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I’m not gonna pray for his good. I’m going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.
Hey troll,
Calling and his death and preaching for his death are one and the same.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pmAIRBALL!!!!!!
Hiya slappa-dap-dippity-doo-da!!!!!
Throw it again!!
I could watch you miss from the free throw line ALL DAY!!!!
(try shooting underhand one time – it’s easier)
August 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pmSlappy, it’s all part of the dumbing down of journalism in order to fill a twenty-four-hour news cycle.
It’s a bad thing for our people and for our republic, which depends on an informed citizenry.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm12:30PM nOV. 22, 1963 from Dallas Texas live on TV President Kennedy is assassinated for all the World to see the Christian Values this Pastor is talking about. Yes Even God said many would use His Name but would be working for Satan. We hear many justify murder and torture in God’s name. We watched the US/Israel team for 8 years hold God up as their shield for crimes, now each Leader is charged and seen for their crimes. Israel has indicted their former Leader and soon so will the US.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:50 pmralph,
I think you just bagged yourself another troll.
**high five**
August 31st, 2009 at 12:50 pmGeez JP – I think you should be grateful people are just calling you names,
and not wishing you dead from cancer, like the Preacher does for the President.
I think you’re a little too delicate and sensitive for the rough-and-tumble of political debate….
try maybe dog grooming instead.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pmThis is American Christianity. While we are fed images of dirty, crazy, murdering Muslims, the real threat to this country are the so-called “Real American’s”, you know the ones who cling on to their guns and their religion. A religion that worships money, power, and position in life, and punishes difference.
These are the true fanatics, and its funny that they can get away with it just by invoking the name of God, hmmm, now why does that sound so familiar. And if you call them out on it thay have a bible verse handy to justify their hatred.
These are the people that brought you The Crusades, Slavery, The Holocaust, Jim Crow, Jonestown, Waco, OKC, Ruby Ridge, we could go on and on about a group who has everyone with half a brain fooled into thinking that they are God-Loving, caring, love thy neighbor, kind of people.
American Christianity is about HATE, plain and simple, dont believe it, then your eyes and ears are closed.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Look, this guy can beg and plead to Jesus or whoever that God strike down people, but it’s not going to happen.
I have a feeling that if it doesn’t happen, his followers are going to do something drastic and take those gun to places they shouldn’t be and use them in ways God never intended them to be used.
As a pastor, it is his DUTY as a man of the Lord to tell these people not to take maters into their own hands. In fact, he ought to be condoning these people for holding guns, but instead he is encouraging them.
If he doesn’t want death threats, perhaps he shouldn’t do things that could be perceived as death threats unto others?
Golden Rule, Pastor. FOLLOW IT.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pmhttp://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page2.html
Get a load of this … too funny!!
“Pastor Anderson holds no college degree but has well over 100 chapters of the Bible committed to memory, including almost half of the New Testament.”
Scripture in lieu of 120 credit hours … PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE!
HAHAHA!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pmA preacher? Only if that means preaching death, hatred, racism & violence. Lock this man up & keep him away from any church. His hate & racism are astounding. It seems a daily occurrence now that Repub/GOP racists threaten the President. This makes them terrorists.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pmWho’s “getting worked up”? We’re simply pointing out, repeatedly, that you have utterly failed to back up your initial claim.
Ah, the “up is down” tactic… the guest has had his statements proven wrong, and so he projects his failing onto those on the other side and pretends that the opposite is “reality”.
It worked for George Bush for a while, I guess…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pmCalling for his death and preaching for his death are one and the same.
Corrected.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:55 pmYou are delusional. That’s not namecalling, that’s a diagnosis.
You haven’t proven anything. The one thing you mentioned was a product of Britain. You really should stop while you can. It only gets uglier from this point on.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:55 pmJPsThoughts says:
Ha, I love getting you all worked up…it’s so easy. And then you resort to name calling and telling me that I’m stupid, etc.
Mommy!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pmmldb says:
“How many people in that congregation today”
“About 30″
So why is it CNN and TP and others are giving this clown a national stage?
because exposing these roaches to sunlight is the best way to scatter them
+ because one of his loony followers showed up with a effing assault rifle to one of President Obamas rallies, the day after he had heard his pastor preaching hoping for the imminent death of the President
August 31st, 2009 at 12:57 pmConsidering terrorists like Anderson actually believe in God & Jesus– just imagine how God & Jesus must look down & think, What did we do so wrong that hate-filled people like Anderson think that this is what we preached?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:57 pmIt appears that the stupid trolls are just fine and dandy with incitement to assassinate the POTUS. How very patriotic of them.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:59 pmYou can, as I did yesterday, ask Americans United for Separation of Church and State (http://www.au.org) to file a complaint with the IRS for violations of a 501(3)c non-profit.
Help revoke this pastards (sic) tax exempt status.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pmJPsCaught says:
Ha, I love getting you all worked up…it’s so easy.
The sign of a defeated troll.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:03 pmAnd, my personal all time favorite.
No foot to stand on, no proof, no rebuttal, nor debate.
So the antagonist claims it loves to rile things up, and how easy it is.
The ironic part is, we are not all worked up. Not at all. JP is.
“pastards”
Dixie,
That is awesome.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:03 pmRe comment #113 by Tired of Fighting
August 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pmOT As far as Ruby Ridge was concerned, Randy Weaver WAS a religious white separatist who was “railroaded” by the US Government. A final review ordered the Gov’t. to pay him and his daughters #3.1 million. Randy Weaver’s wife and son were murdered (son was shot in the back!) by the US Marshalls/FBI.
I seem to recall the last time that “holy men” spoke so casually about killing the President? The U.S. military bombed them back to the stone age.
I’m against bombing churches on principle but how is this “preacher’s” “church” less dangerous than a mud hut in Afghanistan?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:06 pmbuffalo nickel says:
Even with the open carry law, it is very rare to see anyone “strapped” in either city, based on what I’ve seen as a 40 yr. resident.
…except when Obama’s in town.
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JPsThoughts says:
Ha, I love getting you all worked up…it’s so easy. And then you resort to name calling and telling me that I’m stupid, etc.
A “troll” is someone who participates in message boards solely for the purpose of getting other people “worked up.” So you just admitted to being a troll, in confessing that such was your intention all along. Therefore, it’s not “name calling” to call you a troll.
Secondly, we’re perfectly chill. We’re having a great time. If your intention was to “get us worked up” (aka. troll this board) then you have failed, and are therefore an unsuccessful troll, as has been astutely pointed out above.
Thirdly, that you are stupid is merely an observation of fact relevant to the discussion. Your arguments are those that could only be produced by someone who was stupid, or someone who was making arguments for a purpose other than demonstrating the truth of their position. If the former, then your stupidity is self-evident. If the latter, then the fact that you have been heretofore unsuccessful in doing anything more than providing us with a brief diversion demonstrates your stupidity in trolling.
In short, either you are a stupid debater, or you are a stupid troll. But Q.E.D: in either case, you are in fact tremendously stupid.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pmoops, should be $3.1
August 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pmWhen Jesus told his followers to pray for their enemies this was not what he was talking about.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pmMcWars,
It is not original with me. Others deserve credit.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pmBrianOC says:
OT As far as Ruby Ridge was concerned, Randy Weaver WAS a religious white separatist who was “railroaded” by the US Government. A final review ordered the Gov’t. to pay him and his daughters #3.1 million. Randy Weaver’s wife and son were murdered (son was shot in the back!) by the US Marshalls/FBI.
Actually, they attempted to serve an arrest warrant at his home address for illegally trafficking in unregistered firearms. He responded by shooting a deputy and then using his family as human shields.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:09 pmWill it ever occur to this horrible “preacher”, when Obama doesn’t develop brain cancer, that there may be a reason his “god” chose not to grant his prayers?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmThe “Rev.” Steve Anderson succinctly proves my thesis that religion is just a load of bollocks.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmIt is a pity that there are people like this in our great nation. It diminishes us all that rhetoric such as this makes it into the media, including think progress. Yes, we have the freedom of speech but sedition, and hate speech is not protected. Those persons who are members of this “church” should remember that they have the blessings of freedom of worship because this country is founded upon these values. The abuse of and mal-use of these freedoms can lead to our loss of these fundamental freedoms. So, guard your speech with vigilance and common sense unless you would like the same vindictiveness to be visited upon your church. Remember, only G-D has the right to be vengeful.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:12 pmShane @ 59 -
How about “What you sow, that shall you reap”
and
“Judge not in order that you shall not be judged. For in the manner you judge, so shall you be judged.”
Just a couple that come to mind, but those pages must’ve fallen out of the “good pastor’s” bible.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:14 pmFTR If God wanted to kill Ted Kennedy because of some action of his it stands to reason God would have done it before the DNC.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pmWell now, that was quick — already a vote-down. Must’ve hit a nerve with a wingnut.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:17 pmThanks, Zoo, Back at’cha.
But let’s hope the Game Warden doesn’t come around. I think this one’s undersized.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pmJust in case it’s one of the more intelligent (read… not neocon) posters that is voting me down, my post was directed in reference to the “pastor’s” selective scripture reading.
I, personally, don’t have a problem with judging the butthole, as I don’t fear G_d applying the standard to me.
This jerk is an embarrassment to real Christians. I don’t happen to be one, but followed that path once upon a time.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:28 pmPaul the Sax Guy, I suspect it was one of our lurking wingnut trolls. There seem to be a cadre of troll interns who aren’t yet judged competent enough to post comments, even with the extremely low bar that Troll Central sets. So their duties are limited to giving “down” votes to progressive comments.
Let’s hope they graduate to their own screen name soon, so they can leave absurdly stupid comments and get batted about by our Whack-A-Troll™ squad, hm?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:33 pmBrianOC says:
Re comment #113 by Tired of Fighting
OT As far as Ruby Ridge was concerned, Randy Weaver WAS a religious white separatist who was “railroaded” by the US Government. A final review ordered the Gov’t. to pay him and his daughters #3.1 million. Randy Weaver’s wife and son were murdered (son was shot in the back!) by the US Marshalls/FBI.
Amadou Diallo was shot at 41 times hit 19 for pulling out his wallet trying to show id, and your point?
Mayor Wilson Goode dropped a water “BOMB” and burned down a whole neighborhood just to get at one group, they like Mr. Weaver were probably doing something that caught someones attention but I guess they weren’t worth the good ol white-winged rallying cry.
I could list a book of people who were “railroaded” by the “Government” that didnt end up not only rich, but celebs for White, Right Winged, Christian causes.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 1:37 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Paul the Sax Guy,
Please don’t worry about your vote ups and vote downs. Just express yourself and go with the flow.
I’ve been voted down, up, sideways and everything else. I still proudly place opinions here and take the punches as they come.
I mostly believe that my comments make people think and are generally accepted, but, sometimes I piss off everyone here.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pmAdvocating the murder of the President is legal?
Is that just for Democratic Presidents?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:40 pmJPsThoughts says:
So STUPID in your thinking. You just WANT there to be an equivlancy that doesnt exist. There may have been some guy on a message board saying something like this about Bush. I dont believe any lefties leading churches or leading lefty organizations or of any prominance whatsoever said any such thing and if you cant show they did then you have no point.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pmPaul the Sax Guy, there’s at least two trolls lurking today. They don’t read well enough to know what they’re voting down so we don’t worry about them. If progressives were unhappy they’d tell you why.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pmEl Bruce (#133)
http://www.stormfront.org/ruby.htm
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/randy_weaver/6.html
OT: Ruby Ridge started when Randy Weaver was entrapped by the BATF for sawed-off shotguns. The gov’t. was guilty, period. Why else would they be ordered to pay the $3.1 million settlement?
I’m not arguing the point of Randy Weaver being a religious separatist however; only the manner in which this matter was handled by the gov’t. and reported by the media. Ruby Ridge was the subject of my Poly Sci research paper.
Randy’s step-son Kevin Harris shot the deputy in self-defense after the deputy shot his son’s dog Stryker. Randy never used his family as human shields, either. Apologies for being somewhat OT…
August 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pmHi, Ralph!
No doubt you are correct. Been reading TP for a long time, and just recently got my login ID.
I have an ex-sister-in-law that is a member of an Independent Fundamental Baptist church — very much a rw republican, etc., and I don’t hear this degree of anger from her — she disapproves of our President, but, I hope her church doesn’t stoop to this level of discourse. (How’s that for diplomatic?!)
I am a person of faith, less and less inclined to place a label on G_d the older I get. (I’m 52). I truly believe there is a G_d, but think for myself.
My youngest daughter, son-in-law and grandsons are all attending a very conservative church, and in defense of them (though I do not share their faith path), it offends me to no end to see pissed-off, psychotic preachers causing so many to “broad-brush” Christianity… the old thing about causing the little ones to stumble, and having a millstone around his neck and all that stuff.
I am not defending Christianity, necessarily, but outraged, and becoming more and more so, at the rabid hatred displayed by this “Christian” “pastor,” and the hypocrisy of his defenders.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pmElBruce @ 129 says: ..except when O’Bamas in town.
Point taken, ElBruce. In my defense, Phoenix was not the only O’Bama townhall with armed protesters, however. Portsmouth NH comes to mind as well.
I strongly disagree with armed protests of ANY kind, my point was only that Arizona is getting a bad rap, these armed, lunatic, racist SOB’s are not exclusive to Arizona.
Peace
August 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pmJPsThoughts, “If I only had a brain?”
August 31st, 2009 at 1:46 pmJPsThoughts says:
Yeah this site was here and so was I. I saw many posts calling for him to be impeached, many calling for him being arrested I dont remember a single one wishing he would DIE. If you could cough one up I would be interested till then its still YOU trying to push a false equivalence
August 31st, 2009 at 1:46 pmJPsThoughts says:
You guys are so pathetic. There was a movie made did you see it? I did. It wasnt about wishing he were killed it was a fictional movie mostly about the political fallout OF such an assasination and how it could ruin effective policework to SOLVE the assasination it was a movie about NOT getting carried away with profiling not about yeah the president got shot.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:47 pmMind us asking where you went to school?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pmJPsThoughts says:
YOu are idiotic. There was nothing offensive about the movie. You act like you worship the president. Movies are made about murders, disasters, mass death all the time. Only authority worshipping halfwits would think a movie about the assasination of a president is different from those movies in any substantial way
August 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pmJPTroll
Ha, I love getting you all worked up…it’s so easy.
So then you are a petulant childish troll that just wants to screw with us and is too stupid to get that we arent worked up just responding to a moron. You ARE stupid. That is plain as day and it isnt our fault. You havent shown ANYBODY is wrong except YOU. That you are too stupid to GET that also isnt our fault
August 31st, 2009 at 1:54 pm“God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over. Why should you and I?”
“Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.”
“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
“Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.”
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
“Without religion, we’d have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
“In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.”
“It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”
“Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.”
“Faith: not wanting to know what is true.”
“Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration–courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth.”
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“Get smart and I’ll fcuk you over — sayeth The Lord.”
August 31st, 2009 at 1:55 pm-FZ
SlappyMORON
Here is something Slappy is back begging us to pity him still because he is too stupid to understand his ignorant posts will just go straight to the sewer where they will be ignored. The guy is so stupid, so pathetic and so addicted to our pity he cant help but beg us desperatly even though it wont work anymore
August 31st, 2009 at 1:58 pmWow, tough crowd…Let’s start at the top…
I believe the preacher was way out of line with his comments.
I was taught to never wish ill will on anyone as a previous poster had stated. I do believe in Karma.
Next, I stand by my comment that Randy Weaver is a religious white separatist who was railroaded by the gov’t. This forum is proof that we all need to be skeptical of the media.
Finally, I’m a retired engineer who is back in school at Irvine Valley College pursuing an Accounting Degree; waiting to transfer to Cal State (derailed by CA budget cuts; no incoming transfers for spring 2010.)
Anything else?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:58 pmFor those who are using this topic to hate on religion here’s a book for you.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TCU4dh5yq74C&printsec=frontcover&dq=francis+collins+language#v=onepage&q=&f=false
August 31st, 2009 at 2:10 pmWho does this Anderson idiot think he is? Jeremiah Wright in whiteface? Or just Jeremiah? He ought to go into a closet, put a cork in it, and start praying for mercy and forgiveness for himself. He may be in serious need of it in future.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pmno need to “hate on religion”
religion has plenty of hate already inside it
August 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pmYour energy would be better used if you would try to get religous people to follow the teachings of thier religion.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pmIt’s obviously that this so-called pastor is off his rocker. He must have missed the entire passage of the Ten Commandments where it says ” thou shall not kill.”
Dr. Hussein Matt says:
I can’t find the scripture in my bible were Jesus prayed for people to die and go to Hell.
Can anyone help me out here?
That where Pastor Wingnut lost his brain on the message from the Bible where Jesus was brought to this Earth to die for our sins. This certainly gives a troublesome insight religion by the Arizona pastor and new word to visiting a church which has been called the “House of God.”
August 31st, 2009 at 2:20 pm129. ElBruce sez to Troll (garden variety stupid):…
Bravo, sir. TP should post that, or a generalized version, as an entry comment at the sign-in page; it wouldn’t reduce the time anyone would get to spend playing whack-a-troll but the trolls wouldn’t be able to say they weren’t forewarned.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pmFred if someone is so out there that at the drop of a hat they will blow off the words of their own holy book there’s not much that can be done.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pmHere’s something for you to think about since you still seem to be confused. Not condemning, just wondering how you rationalize it to those of us who don’t take such things on “faith”
I’m quoting you Hooda, hope you don’t mind.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Christ’s message is one of love for one’s neighbor’s and enemy’s. A preacher preaching hate will have a special Hell set aside for him. We are to be our brother’s keeper even of the brother is a black man. This man is a false prophet of the first magnitude. I also noticed that he speaks of wishing and hoping. What happened to praying. God help us. That’s praying.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pmDid Pasturd Anderson make his contempt for GWB known when Bush was in office? Something tells me if this moron said anything remotely similar about GWB, his ass would’ve been in the brig with Jose Padilla in S. Carolina.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:27 pmMay his god send a bolt of lightning down to earth and strike his church. Burn it to the ground with his sorry ass in it.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmThats how I would like to this sorry ass pastor die.
These people are terrorist,they do not deserve to live in our country.
Doesn’t it figure that this imbecile would curse someone with an affliction that he, himself, is immune to, having been born without a brain?
August 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pmthe belief that religious myths are real is a serious mental disorder
August 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pmFreddy the funny thing about the virgin birth story is that it’s not even mentioned in two of the four Gospels.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:36 pmRantingTommy says: the belief that religious myths are real is a serious mental disorder
Now Tommy that’s no way to talk about Obama.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pmSo, it is in the bible. At least the king james version. How do you rationalize it?
August 31st, 2009 at 2:39 pmSo, it is in the bible. At least the king james version. How do you rationalize it?
That there are four different stories?
Well I think there was once a single Gospel but it is lost (for now) and untill it is found the best we have are the four Gospels that we have today.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pmhe still functions, but I suspect, given his intelligence, that he believes a little less than he lets on
still, lots of people manage to function, despite having the mental disorder called religion
August 31st, 2009 at 2:44 pmTommy religion doesn’t cause brain damage and Obama is highly religious.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:46 pmyou have it backwards.
brain damage makes one more susceptible to religious infection. Obama is a politician, well aware that, to be elected, he has to at least pretend to believe
I never said Obama was perfect.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:48 pmstill, lots of people manage to function, despite having the mental disorder called religion
Come on, we know that no atheist would ever have a chance at being elected prez, so who knows if Obama actually believes or not? It could be political image.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:49 pmcd says:
Tommy religion doesn’t cause brain damage and Obama is highly religious.
No, he sounds highly religious. And if it’s brain damage, then in most cases, it’s self-inflicted.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:51 pmTommy you have it backwards.
Obama became a Christian years before he ran for office and since then he has proven again and again that he’s a believer.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pm“If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be–a Christian.”
August 31st, 2009 at 2:56 pm- Mark Twain’s Notebook
I love “Christians” like Anderson. Wonder where he studied theology and how he thinks he follows Jesus’ example in calling for our president’s death and condemnation to hell?
August 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm“I came in with Halley’s Comet… It is coming again … and I expect to go out with it… The Almighty has said, no doubt: ‘Now here are these two unaccountable freaks; they came in together, they must go out together.’
- Mark Twain
August 31st, 2009 at 3:02 pmSo why is it CNN and TP and others are giving this clown a national stage?
Hey! I bet his congregation will grow! There are fringe crazy’s that hate Obama that much!
August 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pmIt is very sad to hear this from a man who supposed to be preaching love,brotherhood ,and anti racial language.
Yet he wants to see the president dead by cancer with God act.
Preachers of hate like this pastor should be denied a tax exempt on grounds of preaching hate and that’s illegal on US law books.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:12 pmI’m an atheist but, I don’t hate religion. I do hate the rhetoric of those who are best served by keeping people frightened and xenophobic. I hate what religious poppycock does to children. And, I hate ignorant hicks having a vote in Congress or, Gawd help us, in the White House.
If one wants to make the argument that President Obama is an ignorant hick and/or that Chimpy was not? Be my guest. I think that when their records are compared that one will find little evidence that President Obama is making decisions based on religious dogma whereas the fundy fingerprints were all over most everything Chimpy touched.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:16 pmWhat you have is what King James wanted you to have which he had translated from the Catholic “translation”
Neither of which reflect accuratley what it reads in Hebrew.
When will you realize that religion is about control, period.
It seems to be working on you pretty well. You seem to be willing to defend and rationalize it to hell and back.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pmWELCOME PissedOffByTheLies – Glad to have you with us!
August 31st, 2009 at 3:20 pmWe try to think things out and post logical statements, but we also can get carried away by our emotions and hit the submit and wish we’d taken more time before responding. Then once in awhile, we get a troll (or 2 or 3). The best thing to do is vote them down and ignore them as they’ll try to debate you if you’ll let them. All that being said – enjoy and post your thoughts.
What you have is what King James wanted you to have which he had translated from the Catholic “translation”
And you know this how?
August 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pmSo you don’t use the King James version or you dispute that he commissioned it?
August 31st, 2009 at 3:25 pmOnce you start “interpreting” the Bible, you’ve admitted it’s not really the Word of God.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
For those who feel the bible is literally, consider this, the bible was written by people and people can hear the same thing but interrupt it differently. So, why would anyone consider the bible factual. The bible is simply stories, there is no proof of fact anywhere. If you want to use it as a guide for your life actions, fine, but allow others their own guide without your judgement. The problem with so-called Christians, they feel the need to judge others.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:54 pmOT – ATTN: Leftside Annie –
Apologies to all others, just don’t know how else to go about it…
Understand you are here in the SFV; I’m in Panorama City. If you’d like to correspond back-channel, let me know and I’ll email you my phone #.
We return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Paul
August 31st, 2009 at 3:55 pmTired Of Fighting says: Once you start “interpreting” the Bible, you’ve admitted it’s not really the Word of God.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
If I may, TOF:
Once you start interpreting the Bible, you acknowledge that it is NOT the absolute and unquestionable Word of the absolute and unquestionable GOD.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:57 pm194 – there are many wonderful object lessons in the Bible, as there are in the Gita, the Qur’an, the Lotus Sutra, etc.
It is a sad circumstance at the point one says “This is it… there are no other insights.”
I love the Bible, as do I the other scriptures cited above. Wisdom is timeless… just such a pity too many folks prefer the letter over the spirit.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pmthere are many wonderful object lessons in the Bible, as there are in the Gita, the Qur’an, the Lotus Sutra, etc.
This is true.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:03 pmThe Pastor will get his 15 seconds of attention, what about those on the radio spewing hate daily. Freedom of speech yes, freedom to yell fire in a crowded or frightened area I don’t think so.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pmI’ve compared a number of Bibles over the years.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pmStrange that a piece of literature should have so very many contradictions if it truly is the word. And isn’t it interesting that the religious right have had such a strong hold on politics and yet we have had more greed and corruption in American than every before. Obviously, religion isn’t the best guide.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:09 pmWhile we wail at Paston Anderson, some of the biggest churches are saying the same thing a little more diplomatically. Racism is alive and well in America.
dixie blood says ( responding to Paul the Sax Guy): I mostly believe that my comments make people think and are generally accepted, but, sometimes I piss off everyone here.
Really? Care to back up that (bolded) claim? Maybe I missed something at some time, but speaking for myself I certainly can’t think of anything you’ve expressed at TP that supports the claim.
IMHO you are always smart and informed and can confidently argue honestly with anyone here when differences arise, and you hold your own.
Your advice to Paul (hi Paul) is spot-on.
Cheers!
August 31st, 2009 at 4:23 pmPaul the Sax Guy says: 194 – there are many wonderful object lessons in the Bible, as there are in the Gita, the Qur’an, the Lotus Sutra, etc. [...] I love the Bible, as do I the other scriptures cited above. Wisdom is timeless… just such a pity too many folks prefer the letter over the spirit.
Object lessons indeed, many practical, many ridiculous and venal.All relevant. Arguably if there’s one thing that can illustrate “the human condition” its The Bible–a collation of reason and madness, philosophy and pedantry, fact and fantasy.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:30 pmP.S. It would be impolite (and unfair) of me not to acknowledge texaslady’s TP contributions as well as those of dixieblood’s .
Schmoozing over, as-you-were! :D
August 31st, 2009 at 4:34 pmRadical clerics are a bizarre breed…
August 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pm5th @ 203
Indeed. It takes discernment and wisdom to score the insightful from the crap. ’s why I do not align myself with any specific path –
The big problem arises when one takes a few particular passages from any scripture and makes them the “one true faith.”
I don’t attempt to rationalize my faith, nor do I think it’s valid for any one faith to determine policy in a secular republic. I’m not what one would consider a Christian, by most definitions, although I truly love, and was raised with, many of the stories in the Bible.
Just mho, ymmv,
Paul
August 31st, 2009 at 4:38 pmI think you are confused.
This man is a fundamentalist preacher. Where did you get the idea that he’s supposed to be preaching love and brotherhood?
August 31st, 2009 at 4:46 pm5th Estate, I can recall a few moments when dixie could have been said to have pissed off everyone here.
I can’t cite chapter and verse (or thread and comment as the case may be) but dixie has known episodes of such antagonism here.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pm208, ralph the wonder llama,
You are correct. I’ve been antagonistic here and I’m still allowed to blog without being called a troll, etc.
I thank everyone here for their tolerance.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:01 pmThanks 5th Estate for helping me.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pmSGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
205. dbadass says: Radical clerics are a bizarre breed…
August 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I think that ought to be “radical clerics are a bizarre inbreed…”, but I voted it up anyway.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:56 pmdixie, I take your contributions here for what they’re worth. Usually I agree with your sentiments and appreciate your ideas. Occasionally I think you go too far, but who doesn’t? It’s part of the energy of the place.
Cheers.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pmYes it is. That’s why I dance and sing and play my guitar while blogging at this site.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pm#208 ralph the wonder llama says: 5th Estate, I can recall a few moments when dixie could have been said to have pissed off everyone here.
Like I said, I must have missed it. I’m sure I’ve disagreed with dixie more than once, (in thought if not in comment) but I’ve never dixie to be in any way insufferable.
YOU on the other hand, are utterly ’solid’ in my book ( but bear in mind it’s not an exclusive distinction). :D
August 31st, 2009 at 6:17 pmI thought Baptist services bad enough for the way they taught the bible and always talked about hell-fire. If I had been subject to such a sermon as this, there is no way my mother could have dragged me back in that church, though I doubt my mother would return. Who are these people who sit for this, and tithe for this?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pmralph the wonder llama says:
Thanks, Zoo, Back at’cha.
But let’s hope the Game Warden doesn’t come around. I think this one’s undersized.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I know a guy.
**wink wink**
August 31st, 2009 at 6:32 pmWhat about rev wright?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:40 pmWhat about him?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:45 pmTired Of Fighting says: Thanks 5th Estate for helping me.
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
TOF, I hope you aren’t being sarcastic (I assume not, as ‘helping’ would have made that plain),
I thought your comment was very sharp but this being a public forum, I just thought it could use a little honing.
Thanks for YOUR help on this blog. I’m just an “armchair general” myself with no personal military experience but it is particularly gratifying when the ranks of the
101st Keyboarders (”The Screaming Chickenhawks”) show up here posing as military authorities based on their gun-ownership or subscription to Call of Duty online start lecturing us liberals about the lethality or otherwise of various munitions et cetera, only to be faced with a liberal who has actually served and who always honors his comrades instead of using them as props for some political agenda.
So forget about me, all thanks to you ( but I appreciate it).
August 31st, 2009 at 6:49 pmHey Rev Wright, now this is how you speak hate. How many times does Anderson get to yell fire in a crowded theater?
August 31st, 2009 at 6:53 pmThis clown is not a preacher of God He is a demond working for the devil and his church of hell getting all the souls for satan he can get To go with him to hell, watch out for a guy like him he,s danger.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:57 pm@ 5th Estate, not at all, I’m sure that some here can vouch that I would never disrespect anyone until they say something that’s off the cuff. I truly do appreciate what you wrote, and look forward to sharing this site with you and everyone else that can have respectful dialogue.
And I thank you for being one of the few, the proud, the informed.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 6:58 pmSGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
@217, Conservative Guy:
Truly, what about him? Pres. Obama left his congregation and disavowed any relationship with the more inflammatory pronouncements of Rev. Wright.
By contrast, the wingers seem to be approving of this jerks pronouncements.
So, your comment means exactly what?
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Reverend Steven Anderson is exactly the reason why I’m an Atheist.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:31 pm(clarification of #226) The bible makes people wicked and not the other way around!
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I hope I clarified my position to everyone here satisfactorily as I noticed my last posting didn’t get “voted down.” It is my intention to present some sort of educated opinion/thought rather than just to inflame the crowd. I know everybody will keep me on my toes….
I do believe that in today’s political climate that we won’t have an “atheist” President and that’s too bad. Religion and politics are so inter-mingled with each other now; especially in the Republican Party.
Presently, I’m between atheist and agnostic. I know that sounds quite “weird” but I believe I live a good “Christian” life but belong to no organized religion; nor do I want to.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:04 pmBrian, if believing in the “god” the C-streeters subscribe to makes one an atheist, I think there are quite a few of us.
If the “god” these people seem to worship is true, then we’re in so much worse shape than even we can conceive!
August 31st, 2009 at 8:14 pmSorry – meant to say, “if disbelieving in the “god” the c-streeters…” etc.
In the eastern San Fernando Valley at the foot of the Verdugos, allergic to juniper and breathing burning juniper does not make for coherent posting.
So, what’re our resident trolls’ excuse? LOL
August 31st, 2009 at 8:20 pmThanks for the hi-5 GreatGranny2B. I know my moniker isn’t quite politically correct but it’s how I feel when I read sh!t like this. I noticed the banter is quite animated; I won’t always have time to post but know that I’ll be lurking in the background. :p
August 31st, 2009 at 8:23 pmPaul (RE: #231)
Now I understand your post; thought I was losing it there for a moment…
I’m down in Orange County in predominantly Repub. area but it’s interesting: Many of the neighbors on my street (I know all of my neighbors on the cul-de-sac where I live; yeah, I know that in itself is amazing) are Dems/Progressives. Guess I got lucky! We occasionally have block parties and we discuss many controversial things; including politics.
OT How is the air quality in your area (due to the fires?)
August 31st, 2009 at 8:31 pmThat’s another horrible mess; but I digress.
Brian @231
I’m in Panorama City, but I work at 1st and Orange Grove in Burbank. The air is yellow over there, and I had to come home sick, as I just got over pneumonia about 3 wks. ago, and couldn’t breathe.
My cousin lives in Aliso Viejo and epitomizes the “Orange Curtain” mindset, conveniently forgetting and disavowin his own past.
The San Fernando Valley is quite a hodgepodge of thinking, with skinheads, thugs, gangbangers, cholos, etc., etc. I live within rock-throwing distance of one of the MS-13 chapters, and so forth.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:39 pmBut, y’know, they threaten my peace of mind so much less than the wingnuts, as, so long as I do not make myself a target, or threaten their business, they do not bother me. The wingnuts, OTH, scare the sh!t out of me. Some world, eh?
Amplification – hell… I grew up with most of these punk gangbangers’ parents, in the SFV., and I know their parents taught them a sense of propriety and respect.
OTOH, the loonie wingers seem to have been raised with a sense of triumphalism and exceptionalism, and absolutely no humility whatsoever.
The day I believe I’ve got it all together and have a handle on the structure of the universe, would someone please put a bullet in my brain, because I’ve totally lost it.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pmAdding my (admittedly addled) understanding of BrianOC’s statement -
It is a sad, but true, statement that an avowed atheist will not be President of the USA in the foreseeable future, even though our Constitution provides that a religious test shall not be applied (and, yes, by literal reading — a test whether one believes at all, or not), our weird nation will never overwhelmingly elect an avowed atheist.
Convicted child-molester?
Check! (so long as he says Jesus is his personal lord and savior)
Convicted rapist?
Check! (so long as he says Jesus is his personal lord and savior)
Convicted murderer?
Check! (so long as he says Jesus is his personal lord and savior)
Avowed Democratic voter and supporter of President Barack H. Obama?
Depart unto the fire prepared for the devil and his minions, ye workers of iniquity.
OK… maybe just a tad of hyperbole, but — so much?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pmHope that they get the fires under control and that your respiratory condition improves.
I do understand your take on the “loonie wingers.” I know a woman who is unaware that her Medicare is socialized medicine. I could go on and on…and conversely…A good friend of mine and I were discussing the actual definition of the word: Liberal (applied to Politics), particularly when defined as being open-minded and tolerant. It’s too bad that “liberal” has become such a “dirty word.”
August 31st, 2009 at 9:04 pmtokin librul says:
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Actually, as a minister ordained in the Universal Life Church, I would qualify, except that I never pray for anything…
Wow. That’s just sad.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:25 pmBegins to be rather that “Make a joyful noise unto the Lord” has become “make a shrill, mega-decibel rant at the “heathen” and hope God’s on our side”
BTW, I happen to be the Rev. Fu-bahr the Unhinged in the Universal Life Church. Just thought I’d get that out there.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:30 pmAlthough, I’m ordained under my legal name — just thought I’d say that, as, apparently, I am as a legitimate as the self-styled “pastor” of this message; guarantee you I will never get this kind of press. Reason? because I am not controversial, nor do I believe I’m the only one who possesses the “true word”
God must be so proud of this nut.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:32 pm/snark
I’ve taken sacred vow not to argue about religion on the net–no good ever come of it–but I’ll just pose a suggestion and then shut up:
The contradictions in the Bible would seem to be a deadly flaw only if you assume that the Bible is a straightforward book.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:44 amIt’s what the fundies think, but it ain’t necessarily so.
Let me just take one example: In the story of Adam and Eve, God says ‘don’t eat of that tree. Because the day you eat of that tree, you shall surely die.’
The serpent says don’t be stupid. You won’t die. Your eyes will be opened.’
As it turns out, God lied and the serpent told the truth.
This is deliberate. (IMHO.)
The Bible is full of knots and paradoxes. It’s possible, of course, that the authors were trying to write a straightforward book of instructions and were too stupid to manage it. If, however, those paradoxes are in there deliberately, then maybe you’re doing the book an injustice.
Just maybe
I would like to donate 100 gallons of purple KoolAid To Pastor Steven Anderson and his followers. Enjoy.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:54 am“I would like to donate 100 gallons of purple KoolAid To Pastor Steven Anderson and his followers. Enjoy.”
Weird thing about Jim Jones was he was an atheist.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:17 amI s this the best conversation you guys can come up with? Come on, get a life!
September 1st, 2009 at 2:51 amNeil
Rev. Wright redux.
Ch-ching!
September 1st, 2009 at 3:18 ampbeeg:
Better get a better translation.
News Flash: Adam & Eve died…which wouldn’t have been the case if they had obeyed. God didn’t say they would die immediately.
Did you even bother to read the text?
Or did you just get your ‘facts’ from Bill Maher?
September 1st, 2009 at 3:22 amamusedbyhypocrites, I find it both amusing and hypocritical that you would slam someone for getting “facts” from Bill Maher when you seem to get your “facts” from the bible. I believe in the existence of a higher power, but Adam and Eve? Come on. Really? Fables written thousands of years ago by men who never actually witnessed these “occurances”? What’s next, Noah’s Ark? Jonah and the whale? These are “facts”? Surely you jest. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were only referencing scripture to dispute somebody’s post, and not because you actually believe the old testament to be comprised of “facts”. That’s about as absurd a notion as a creationist suggesting that huamn beings and dinosaurs coexisted in recent history.
I like to think that most Christians don’t actually take ALL of these stories literally. But then, I also like to think that most Christians actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. If this were the case, I might not be so opposed to organized religion.
As for this pastor, well… what can one really say about someone like that? Wish for him to get brain cancer? I doubt he has enough cranial activity for a tumor to even develop in the first place. The poor cancer cells would starve to death.
I find it amusing that Fox News is reporting this. Could it be that this pastor is so nutty that even they think he is over the top? Or is this story secretly meant to help boost this church’s membership? I might presume the latter if I was one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists. But then, if I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist, I would probably be an ultra right-wing gun-toting anti-government conservative.
Anyway, what were we talking about? Oh yes. Religion. Or, more specifically, Christianity. I believe Mahatma Gandhi said it best: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Oh, and for the record: Jesus was a (small “c”) communist. Just thought I’d throw that out there. Not that I’m making any value judgments either way, for or against communism. Just wanted to make sure that most people were aware of that. Because it seems to me that most people are completely oblivious to that little detail. Ironically, the ones most unaware of that are usually the ones who claim to be Christians, who have devoted years of their lives to studying the bible and the life of Jesus Christ.
If you want to worship money and laissez-faire capitalism, I don’t think Christianity is the right religion for you. You might want to look into something like Scientology instead.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:15 am“I hope that God strikes Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy.”
He said the same thing to Michelangelo Signorile when he was a guest on his radio show yesterday.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:50 amThis man is not a man of GOD!!!! My 16 year old daughter is suffering from a very rare brain cancer called Fibrosarcoma. Only radiation can be used. It is horrible to watch her go through this. NO ONE should have to go through brain cancer and should never be wished to go upon someone. He has to be a minister of satan to even say that. Obviously he has never seen anyone suffer from brain cancer or any other cancer for that matter. LORD HAD MERCY ON HIS SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 1st, 2009 at 8:29 amIgnorant bible thumping son of a bytch. This guy is NO preacher, he is a terrorist and a threat to America.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:33 amI’d like to know what planet this moron and his people spend most of their time on. As Barney Frank said: “Talking to him is like talking to a dining room table” and I have no desire to do so either. This man and these people need to be arrested not questioned about what they believe. They are clearly mental cases walking around with loaded guns. I thought that was against the law for mental cases to own or possess a gun?
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I knew this guy looked and sounded familiar– he incited a beating by border patrol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc
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September 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pmThis holy scum needs to die in a fire.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pmSounds like something Rev. Wright would say.
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very thanks for article!
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:35 amkwsventures says:
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Sounds like something Rev. Wright would say
i’ld say it was some thing he has said, they are one in the same– as much as i dislike Berry’s policies, i don’t want to see him die– gosh almighty– that would make him more dangerous
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:14 pmAnd the sad thing is that this guy seems to be one of the more saner of all the rightwing preacher nutjobs out there, who, by the way, are walking contradictions of what being a Christian is all about.. (Although Pat Robinson is catching up to him pretty quickly, I mean was the NEA really founded as a “Communist” plot?, ‘cuz thats what he said a few days ago)
September 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm215. wiley says: I thought Baptist services bad enough for the way they taught the bible and always talked about hell-fire. If I had been subject to such a sermon as this, there is no way my mother could have dragged me back in that church, though I doubt my mother would return. Who are these people who sit for this, and tithe for this?August 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I’ve said it before; well, written it before, on these very pages. They’re not Baptists, they’re Talibabtists, mebbe even South Ron Talibabtists. They allus say suthrun babtis, but I’m pretty sure it’s South Ron Talibabtist. I was one once, several decades ago, but I got over it by getting away from it, etc.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 amAre you sure the guys name isn’t Nutjob Van Jones, who said that white people sent pollutants to black neighborhoods. And remembering Rev. Wright and Ayres.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pmWhat a moron. I can’t belive this guy calls himself a preacher. What a poor excuse for a human being. His wish could backfire. As they say in my church, “God don’t like ugly.”
September 5th, 2009 at 1:11 am