Texas Secessionist To Health Care Reform Advocates: ‘Go Back To The U.S. Where You Belong’
Texas Secessionist To Health Care Reform Advocates: ‘Go Back To The U.S. Where You Belong’
On Friday, ThinkProgress reported that “tenthers” in Texas were set to hold a pro-secession rally in Austin this weekend. According to the Texas Observer, upwards of 200 people attended the rally, where one speaker declared, “We hate the United States!”
The organizer of the event, Daniel Miller, a leader of the Texas Nationalist Movement who has appeared on Glenn Beck’s Fox News show, said that he and his fellow secessionists were disappointed that Texas Gov. Rick Perry didn’t attend the rally because they were heartened by his pro-secession comments earlier this year:
Daniel Miller, the leader of the Texas Nationalist Movement and the only speaker who had the slightest ability to make secession sound like anything other than just complete lunacy, recounted the April 15 tea party rally in Austin and what it meant to the secessionist movement.
“When [Perry] was giving a speech and the crowd began to shout what? – Secede! Secede! Secede! – that’s what they chanted. So they asked him afterward, What do you think? He said, Well we reserve that right; if things get so bad we reserve the right to leave. And I gotta tell you it’s the first solid thing he’s done in his administration that I can agree with in many, many years.”
Watch a video of the rally from the Texas Observer:
One speaker at the event, gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina, explained that the people at the rally were aware of the consequences of pushing for secession. “We are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war,” said Medina. “We are aware that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.” When some secessionist began arguing with pro-health care reform activists, another speaker, Larry Kilgore, was heard telling them, “Go back to the U.S. where you belong.”
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Would you look at that crowd!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:45 amMethinks Abe Lincoln made a major blunder in not letting the South secede.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:48 amOMG, how embarrassing for all of humanity…
August 31st, 2009 at 11:48 amupwards of 200 people…..heh.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:49 amRemember the Alamo!
No, wait…
Remember Sam Austin!
Ummm…
Remember the Bush Tax Cuts!
Darn…
Remember to wipe thoroughly!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amTexas: now with 23% more stupid!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amGovernor Perry announced that he was ordering mental hospitals to release their patients so they may attend the rally.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amLooks like a Waco refugee reunion.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amSecessionists are worried about a bloody war. They better worry about the apathy the rest of the country would have and the poverty they’d suffer when we take all the federal contracts and bases and run. I hope they enjoy being part of Mexico next year.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amHate to disappoint these losers but that “bloody war” they anticipate would be pretty short and the blood would be theirs. Also pretty sick of this “blood of tyrants” nonsense. I don’t pretend to predict the hypothetical 21st century political leanings of 18th century philosophers but feel comfortable in stating that Thomas Jefferson would be horrified by this willfully stupid mob.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amGo Back To The U.S. Where You Belong’”
But you know these rabid Righties will be the first in line for stem-cell cures, while they’re calling for the deaths of abortion doctors.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amBuild a 12 foot wall around Texas and give it back to Mexico.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amIf Texas was part of Mexico, would that end the border drug traffic?
…and why does Texas NEED all those drugs?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amNuts and fruitcake will be served at the rally.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amCome Texans. . . only 200??? We’ll never get rid of you at that rate!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:56 amThen I’m sure you’re all ready to surrender the keys to military bases, public colleges and universities, federal agency branch offices, grant monies, disaster aid etc. and become a full-fledge banana republic.
BTW, the oil companies’ ability to charge obscene amounts will be lessened in the coming years, so you can’t depend on them either!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:56 amSam Houston wisely told Texans that secession was a bad idea — 150 years later they still haven’t listened.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am…secessionists were disappointed that Texas Gov. Rick Perry didn’t attend the rally because they were heartened by his pro-secession comments earlier this year:
He was too busy spending the $12.1 Billion In Federal Stimulus Funds.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:57 amRick Perry best get on his soapbox and set these idiots straight, and stop pandering to a few. He knows which side his bread is buttered on, and it certainly isn’t on the side of secessionist rabble rousers.
Here is the contact page for him – I encourage everyone to let him know what you think!
http://governor.state.tx.us/contact/assistance.aspx
August 31st, 2009 at 11:58 amDEBRA MEDINA: “We are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war…”
But y’all rest assured, my kids won’t be in it.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:58 amThese people don’t hear so well. Voter registration in Texas is now trending Democratic. The election in Japan brought a landslide for a leader sounding many of the same themes as President Obama. These peoples every move is further isolating them into the political hinderland. Soon MSM won’t ever be listening to them, and none too soon.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:59 amWow. That crowd is almost as big as the line waiting for the loo at an Obama rally…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pmSomebody messed with Texas’ education system (I’m looking at you, George Bush) and it produced morons.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pmOnly if they take Oklahome too.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pmDr. Hussein Matt says:
Build a 12 foot wall around Texas and give it back to Mexico.
Yay! More Oil! Of course you realize we’ll just ship y’alls texans back to the USA, right? :P
August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pmProlly the same people that whined about people not wearing flap lapel pins…the blame America firsters.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pmSomebody please wake me up and tell me this is just a bad dream. What a crowd – man, they really represent what the total makeup of this country looks like – NOT!!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pmUrr, Flag lapel pins, ahem.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pmA “bloody war”?!? Why? I am all in favor of letting them secede. By all means, GO! I’m tired of paying for the benefits of a bunch of yahoos who hate everything about our country. Oh and by the way, kiss your SS, Medicare,unemployment benefits, medicaid, highway projects, good schools, consumer protection, federal law enforcement protection, military protection, Food and Drug Admin protection, environmental protection, FDIC insurance etc, etc, etc, etc, GOOODBYE! All you Texans working for the Federal government will lose your jobs of course, but don’t worry, maybe you can find employment raising cattle or drilling for oil in your own back yard. Of course the United States will have to build a wall around you to keep your people from sneaking in here to get good jobs. And DON’T try convincing anyone to join you because we’ll bomb you back into the stone age and then steal your oil (learned that from a good ol’Texas boy). Good bye and good riddance!!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm- – F uckthesouth.com
Just move the ‘F’ next to the ‘u’ in the url.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pmPffft, since DC has become a pro-minority single ring circus [decades ago] I have a feeling we will be seeing more of these special interest groups thinking things should be run their, and onlt their, way.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pmI’m with Mark701, goodbye & good riddance. Don’t let the door smack you on your ass on the way out. By the way, can I help you pack?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pmWe can stop referring to them as “tenthers” since it’s not their Constitution any more. And don’t refer to them as teabaggers either, because that’s not part of their history. I doubt they drink that much tea down there. Call it the “Lone Star Revolution”, because that’s all their flag has on it. It’s also their favorite brand of beer. They can keep that too.
Their war will be Texan against Texan, because nobody else gives a damn about them. The real Americans will leave Texas and not look back.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pmNaw, we are going to drive these folks out of Texas and into Idaho and Alaska, Oklahoma…Pennsylvania.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pmI thought there was certainly more than 200 really, really stupid people in Texas.
Guess these were the only ones that could read a map.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pmI doubt they drink that much tea down there.
Huh? Texans drinks lots and lots of tea. Iced tea.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pmmeisen says:
Don’t let the door smack you on your ass on the way out.
____________
Inadvertently resulting in many a black eye and bloody nose to boot…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pmBadmoodman says:
- – F uckthesouth.com
Just move the ‘F’ next to the ‘u’ in the url.
“the furl”?
/kidding!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pmAgain on this subject I say (as I’ve said before); When times get tough, Texan’s whine turn into cowards. When the country need Brave patriots, Texans want to QUIT! Is this what Texan’s are made of? They’re supposed to be sooo tough!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm***
which one of those ornery
coyotes was stewthescot?
*
August 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pmI thought there was certainly more than 200 really, really stupid people in Texas.
There is no secessionist movement here in Texanistan.
Heh. I gotta admit its funny to read all these stereotypical posts.
Bajajajaja
August 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pmAgain on this subject I say (as I’ve said before); When times get tough, Texan’s whine turn into cowards
Yes, I can hardly go outside for all the whining noise…like packs of dogs howling at firengine sirens!!!
/not
August 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pmDo we get to make fun of Texans all day today too? I thought we did that this weekend.
My apologies to Xisthrus.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pmI think it’s time to pull NASA out of Texas, if Texas doesnt want to be a part of the U.S.A then fine, lets move the Kennedy Space Center out of Texas, place border guards and checkpoints along every road out of Texas, and allow the citizen militias to be their army.
When Mexico comes to reclaim their land the U.S. will not intervene, and will not take in any who voted for secession in as a refugee. All this sounds stupid because it is stupid, just like Texas.
Idiots.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
I guess that crowd doesn’t understand that in Texas Talibanistan the state church will likely severely limit free speech.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pmSlight correction: It’s the Johnson Space Center. The Kennedy Space Center is in Florida.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmDo we get to make fun of Texans all day today too? I thought we did that this weekend.
No apologies needed — I dont care if people make fun of Texanistan. Have Fun!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmOh, I think there is a country on their southern border which would be very interested in them.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmXisithrus is right of course. There are many good dems in Texas. In fact, the worst fears of bug man delay are coming true. Texas is turning blue.
We all have a few that are the equivilant of the idiots at this rally……
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmguess that crowd doesn’t understand that in Texas Talibanistan the state church will likely severely limit free speech.
Thats impossible, the Texanistan dictionary only has 63 words.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pmROFLMAO…I have more dust bunnies under my bed that these fools have at a rally…To bad really, Texas leaving would be a good thing..Bet bull shit bush would loose his retirement check along with all the other benefits Mark 701 mentioned…I’m with meisen @32, will help them pack if they need it….P, B, & J
August 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pmTheir war will be Texan against Texan, because nobody else gives a damn about them.
Its a family affair. Thank goodness they are to inbred to actually see, or shoot straight.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm“Evolving is hard…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pmMonkey war, then throw death stick
Where black stone come from?”
Bienvenidos a Tejas!
Buenas suerte putos!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmTexas leaving would be a good thing
Thank goodness Oklahomistan sucks and keeps us from falling off into the gulf.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmWow, such a teeming throng.
You know, maybe the wingnuts should quit taking extreme positions when the number of people they can get to back it is so small that the only outcome of this will be to create a local backlash, much of which will discredit less-extreme right wing positions as well.
The net outcome of this will be to increase the speed at which Texas turns blue. A lot of middle-of-the-road voters who might have been sitting on the fence or who wouldn’t otherwise turn out to vote will now definitely want to prove that Texas isn’t actually represented by crazy idiots.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pm200 texans saying ‘we hate the US’ and talking about a bloody war (wake up, you’re dreaming, no blood is worth spilling for tx) is tolerated why? Empty rhetoric.
10 Muslims saying the same thing would be on their way to prison at the least. It must be that texans are too stupid to pose a real threat.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pmThank goodness Oklahomistan sucks and keeps us from falling off into the gulf.
That joke is as tired as grandma’s girdle.
Unfortunately Texas secessionists make Oklahoman’s look like members of Mensa.
Just sayin…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:28 pmDr. Hussein Matt says:
Thanks for helping me out Doc, I was a little fast in my ranting about stupid-assed Texans, wont happen again.
RIP
August 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Good heavens! You’d think we’d made great strides and enacted huge chunks of our agenda whereas I feel we’ve just started making baby steps to correct the massive changes wrought in the past 8 years.
It’s like they have an overwhelming sense of nostalgia for the dust bowl or something – they want so badly for us to let them sink deeply into depression and environmental collapse.
I think this is just blind fear talking, perhaps stemming from guilt. They know that they have treated ‘liberals’ and the ‘Democrat Party’ so badly in the past few years; they expect the same viciousness from us. They also are hearing nothing but fear-mongering from their ‘leaders’.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pmX, I’m in Oklahomistan and I have relatives in Tejas. We have always exchanged jokes about each others states. Some pretty rude.
One I like is that there are only 3 good things that ever came out of texas. ZZ Top, Dallas cowboy cheerleaders and I-35 north.
I’m sure you’ve got some on aggies….peace.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pmA couple of other good things that came from Texas:
August 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pmJanis Joplin
the 13th Floor Elevators
upwards of 200 people attended the rally, where one speaker declared, “We hate the United States!”
I’m surprised it took them this long to unveil their honest feelings about their country.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pmYes Fred, been to many a Teaxs OU rally here..long running battle of halfwits =P
August 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pmOne thing is for sure, Limbaugh will call these rabble rouser’s left wing liberals.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pmThe IQ in Oklahomistan is the same as their near beer.
3.2
August 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pmI used to think that the state motto of Texas is “I’m going in, cover me.” Now I think it’s “I’m coming out, institutionalize me.”
August 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pmre: OK v. TX, I’ve always been amused at the slogan:
Oklahoma is OK!
As if that’s the most complimentary adjective they could find!?!!?
At least the Governor recognizes art when he sees it.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pmXisithrus, as a native Chicagoan I get tired of hearing about crooked Chicago politicians. People act like Al Capone and Elliot Ness ride around with machine guns to this day. So I understand how the generalities can get annoying. Rest assured we know better and the comments are aimed at any wingnut who shows up and has the same intellectual capabilities as that other secessionist, Sarah Palin.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pmThe tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of idiots.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:35 pmHey Xisthrus!
Don’t even talk about dumping these Waco Wackos on us.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pmIn fact, if you would direct me to the customer service desk, I’d like to return about a million bible-banging, Texas neocons that wandered up here looking for jesus. They vote too much and they drive like they own the road.
So I understand how the generalities can get annoying -=Shayne=-
Naw, Im not annoyed, I was born in Lousianna…I find the Cajun jokes funny as well.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pmI have heard Texans bragging about not paying state income tax. These secessionists are so dumb they can’t figure out that would change if their little dream was possible.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pmIt would be interesting to see how it would play if an Imam joined with these “Texas secessionists” and got some Muslims to chant “I hate America” alongside them…
That would be interesting…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pmA couple of other good things that came from Texas:
Roy Orbison
August 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pmBuddy Holly
Waylon Jennings
Willie Nelson
Mike Judge
Gene Roddenberry
Molly Ivins
…
Bob says:
10 Muslims saying the same thing would be on their way to prison at the least. It must be that texans are too stupid to pose a real threat.
It would be interesting to see how it would play if an Imam joined with these “Texas secessionists” and got some Muslims to chant “I hate America” alongside them…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pmIt would be an interesting experiment to see what would happen if Texas was left to the wingnuts to run as they pleased and the rest of the United States was run with a common sense agenda — unfettered by Texan obstructionists.
While the United States rescinds the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, Texas cuts taxes even more for the wealthy.
While the United States recognizes that a health economy depends upon a healthy and robust middle class, Texas will create ideal conditions for the rich to exploit the poor — until Texas looks like a banana republic.
While the United States implements common sense measures designed to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, mentally unbalanced people, and unsupervised children, Texas eliminates all gun control laws altogether.
While the United States continually works to improve public education, Texas will teach only creationism, abstinence-only sex ed, and the biblical account of world history.
While the United States implements a public option for health insurance and mandates everyone be entitled to coverage regardless of ability to pay or pre-existing conditions, Texas will stay the course by permitting only for-profit companies to operate in the marketplace — complete with escalating premiums and fewer services covered due to fewer and fewer insured people paying for more and more uninsured people.
And while the United States celebrates its diversity and recognizes it’s what makes our nation strong, every Texas resident who doesn’t buy into the wingnut fascism there will be looking to defect.
It would be interesting to see both nations in about fifty years.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pmHmmm,
That would indicate the Bush Lieberry would be in Mexico.
…and so would Bush.
Somehow I can’t think of a more fitting end to his ‘legacy’…
August 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pmWooohooo ahbees time travlin agin
August 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pmWell some in Texas hate the USA while using everyone’s tax dollars. Nothing like those who use you when they want something then kick you in the butt when they don’t. Hate is such a strong word and life lessons will been seen in Texas. I do feel sorry for those Texas citizens who know the wing nuts are clearly very sick evil people.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm“We hate the United States!” said one.
And yet amazingly, these crazies loved it when murdering, lying, criminals Bush & Cheney were in charge. Their racism is showing yet again.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pmMight as well just piss all over the graves of the men and women who fought to make Texas a part of The United States.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:50 pmmisscoleopteramolly says:
It would be interesting to see both nations in about fifty years.
Try five.
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dumbstruck says:
Might as well just piss all over the graves of the men and women who fought to make Texas a part of The United States.
I think that’s what they have scheduled for their next event. “Davy Crockett was a dirty Commie!”
August 31st, 2009 at 12:55 pmWho is going to fight this “war” of theirs? Do they think U.S. service personnel stationed there are going to take their side in a fight to the death with the U.S. government or are they referring to one of those “citizen militias” they’re so fond of? Armed American civilians engaged in combat with the U.S. Marine Corps. What a sick thing to fantasize about.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pmOne just never thinks of Texas as whine country.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pm33. House of Roberts sez: … And don’t refer to them as teabaggers either, because that’s not part of their history. I doubt they drink that much tea down there. Call it the “Lone Star Revolution”, because … It’s also their favorite brand of beer.
Beg to differ with you, sir. There are more South Ron Talibabtists in the state than beer drinkers, and they all imbibe enormous quantities of iced tea, which in the dialect spoken in TX comes out sounding like “asstea”.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:02 pmI live in Texas, not all of us are stupid or idiots. Some of us unfortunately seem to be. Texas is unique as a state in that we have the legal right to succeed from the union. But, I don’t think that that will happen given our enjoyment of so many of the benefits we have being part of the USA. Just think of it, if we returned to being our own nation, we would have to pay income tax and all sorts of other stuff we don’t have to today as a state. We would need to protect ourselves from Mexico, the US and probably France since they would want part of us back no doubt. So, Ya’ll just calm on down, stop frettin’ about these here nut cases and don’t pay them no mind. To use the local Texan vernacular.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pmFor the life of me, I will never understand why the federal government sends assistance to states which do not have income tax. These yahoo make no effort to support themselves, and the rest of us have to help their sorry asses.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pmFrom what I hear two hundered people attended the rally.
Texas is the sexond most populus state in the Union and that’s the best they counld do? That’s pathetic.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:05 pmTexas doesn’t have an income tax, but their property taxes are staggering.
Personally, I’d rather pay the income tax.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pmHa, there will be no war, unless we decide to stop Mexico from annexing them.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pmI don’t think Texas would have to worry about a bloody war if they seceded. They’d be to busy dealing with all the “Thank You! Have a nice trip!” cards they’d get from the rest of the country.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pmshoeless, I think Mexico would be asking Washington if it needed another state so we wouldn’t have to change the flag.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:10 pmIn all seriousness, I do think that there will have to be an evangelical homeland, habitat, or whatever you wish to call it for all the “morality” crowd, the Adam and Eve nitwits, and the selective Biblical literalists. Texas and Oklahoma would make a nice fit for all those folks, who would be financially encouraged to leave the rest of us alone and in peace.
Let them have a smaller area of the Deep South, where they can drive each other crazy with all their snooping, religious laws and their form of Sharia.
In the meantime, the sane part of this nation could continue to find a sensible energy policy, fund stem-cell research, develop electric cars, make full marriage rights available to our gay brothers and sisters, and stress the importance of learning other languages.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:10 pmI’m for building a wall around TX, but for keeping it as part of the States. We can let the sane people out, and ship all the tenthers and birthers and other nutcases in. Make it a politcal petting zoo with “Don’t feed the animals” signs and whatnot.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:10 pm200 people want a revolution? secession? bloody war?
Give me 5 mins to get the 50 cal and belt out of the closet…
There problem solved…
/snark off
August 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmEvery Republican needs to be asked about this, about whether they support this or just if they think it’s a legal means of opposing the president.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
August 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pmXisithrus says:
Naw, Im not annoyed, I was born in Lousianna…I find the Cajun jokes funny as well.
Have you heard this one: What’s the difference between a coonass and a dumbass?
August 31st, 2009 at 1:13 pmThe Sabine River..
87. rsalier sez:…
No, Texas does not have the legal right to secede. Never did. In the articles of accession when Texas became part of the Union in 1846, the right retained was to split into 4 or 5 smaller states. After the Civil War, it was established legally, as well as practically, that Texas could not secede; the legal ruling was that Texas had never left the Union but had been in a state of rebellion or insurrection. Implicitly, that applies to all the other states that joined the Confederacy.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pmBobwurst says:
Have you heard this one: What’s the difference between a coonass and a dumbass?
The Sabine River..
August 31st, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Ahhhh, sweet Louisiana memories… :-D
August 31st, 2009 at 1:20 pmI grew up in Louisiana and have been a staunch advocate of Tejas Secession for over 40 years.
Gratifying to see my life’s dream coming to pass
August 31st, 2009 at 1:31 pmDNFP says:
Not so sure about Waylon Jennings but I would give you the Winters Brothers and Stevie Ray Vaughn
August 31st, 2009 at 1:33 pmI’d like to applaud Daniel Miller and his followers for being up front about their hating America instead of lying about it the way so many Republicans do.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:37 pmDear Texas secessionists: Mother Mexico will be waiting with open arms to take you-all back. Going from the proverbial frying pan into the proverbial fire is not generally considered very smart, but then, Texans are not generally known for their smarts these days (for example, electing Bush and electing Perry to be Governors). Good luck.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pmJust to be on the safe side the Feds should remove all nukes from Texas for a couple of years.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pmHey guys…so what if we have a few crazy radicals, so what if we have a crazy Governor, so what if we have two wacko Senators, so what if….God, I forgot what point I was trying to make!
August 31st, 2009 at 1:56 pmYou seem to be one of those that are idiots though if you believe you have the legal right to secede.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:57 pmrsalier says:
I live in Texas, not all of us are stupid or idiots. Texas is unique as a state in that we have the legal right to succeed (sic) from the union.
No you don’t. You invoked that right when you seceded from the union during the civil war. Upon reinstatement, that clause was not reestablished.
If you start out by saying you’re not stupid idiots, you shouldn’t immediately follow it with something that demonstrates obvious stupid idiocy.
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cd says:
From what I hear two hundered people attended the rally.
I thought they had 1,000,000 signatures on their petition? Who were the 999,800 people who weren’t willing to put up or shut up?
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evangenital says:
In all seriousness, I do think that there will have to be an evangelical homeland, habitat, or whatever you wish to call it for all the “morality” crowd, the Adam and Eve nitwits, and the selective Biblical literalists. Texas and Oklahoma would make a nice fit for all those folks, who would be financially encouraged to leave the rest of us alone and in peace.
Screw that. They can do it as far away from here as possible.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pmI’m still trying to understand why the tenthers think they can use the constitution as a rationale for seceeding.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pmThese may be the sort of belligerants who would bring their cap and ball six-shooters into the street to face down an Apache helicopter, just ’cause they don’t cotton to no Apaches.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:27 pmEugeneDebs says:
DNFP says:
Not so sure about Waylon Jennings but I would give you the Winters Brothers and Stevie Ray Vaughn
I think Lyle Lovett is from Texas – he’s a great story teller and musician.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:30 pmThere were only 200 people there because the rally was held in Austin. Austin is a liberal oasis in a sea of right wing nut jobs. Actually all the major cities in Texas are beginning to look that way. George W Bush always got booed when he made an appearance in Austin. In fact the only time I ever saw him not get booed in Austin was election night in 2000, but the majority of that crowd was from outside of Austin.
Texas is the state the produced the likes of Bill Moyers, LBJ and Willie Nelson. There are tons of liberals out there, the Republicans just did a good job at redistricting to make it look more Republican than it really is.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:32 pmI have heard Texans bragging about not paying state income tax.
They dont have to file for state income tax, but a state tax is paid on every dollar spent [except for food items such as milk/bread/meat..its about 8 cents.
Texas does pay federal income taxes.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:35 pmThis is a case off too much sun. We should send more air conditioners and sunscreen.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pmSend more asstay!
August 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pmI’m from Texas, and man, are we getting stereotyped by this minority of ‘tenthers’. On top of that, Austin is the most liberal citiy in Texas, and the largest county in Texas, Harris County (Houston), has elected democrat politicians, and, voted Obama during the elctions. The point I’m making is that Texas is full of clear-thinking, rational liberals and progressives, but these ‘tenthers’ are really stealing the spot light and giving Texans a bad wrap. Texas is not all right-wing lunnies, we just have a lot of rural areas. But the urban areas are definately central to progressive.
August 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pmWelcome to Dumbassistan!
August 31st, 2009 at 2:50 pm#60 commented: “I think this is just blind fear talking, perhaps stemming from guilt. They know that they have treated ‘liberals’ and the ‘Democrat Party’ so badly in the past few years; they expect the same viciousness from us. They also are hearing nothing but fear-mongering from their ‘leaders’”
That’s a pretty astute observation. Their leaders are like a bunch of Jim Joneses telling the party faithful to swallow cyanide capsules because the government is going to hurt them…and like any cult member they are more than willing to comply.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pm108. ElBruce sez:…
per my comment in 99, TX NEVER had any right of seccession. Zip. Zero. Nada.
The notion that they had a right of seccession is a myth promoted by the idiots in the modern Republic of Texas movement.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:11 pmOh, please…PLEASE TexASS…Secede.
August 31st, 2009 at 3:56 pmLet us cut off your funding for national hurricane response and rescue, your social security benefits, your medicare benefits…
…and you can just “privatize” your stupid asses out of whatever happens to you.
House of Roberts says:
We can stop referring to them as “tenthers” since it’s not their Constitution any more. And don’t refer to them as teabaggers either, because that’s not part of their history. I doubt they drink that much tea down there. Call it the “Lone Star Revolution”, because that’s all their flag has on it. It’s also their favorite brand of beer. They can keep that too.
I thought it was agreed on that teabaggers or anything teabag meant the sexual act.
It’s obvious that they don’t know shit about the Boston Tea Party.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:39 pm“We hate the United States!”
Uh, Doesn’t this sound like treason? Don’t we jail traitors? Or at least waterboard them? My oh my!
August 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pmThese are the people who want to secede? Yikes! What are they gonna call their new state–Loonassistan? I say, get the hell out! They all look like loonies who have escaped from the local mental hospital, anyway.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pmI’m still not convinced that all of this anti-Obama stuff isn’t just a couple of dozen gun happy ignorants who are upset that they lost the election. Being too stupid to understand that they are simply corporate shills screaming to be left in the lurch when they become ill, they will be the first to spend the public dollar when they come crying for help in the emergency room. One could argue that killing them where they stand would be the least expensive manner of dispensing with them, but then, this is America and they are protected under our laws and Constitution, even as they reject our country.
And as for watering the tree of Liberty, if they are referring to how Bush and Enron pissed on them, they can keep that miserable pair as emblems for their new flag.
A few years ago, I read a survey in which 75% of highschool students in Texas couldn’t identify the country due south of the Taxas border. Seems they don’t know much about the country to their north, west, and east either. But assuming they did actually leave the US, both our literacy and graduation rates would instantly rise.
August 31st, 2009 at 5:18 pmWith numbers like that, they couldn’t win a battle against UFO abductees.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:11 pmQuizmos says:
I’m still not convinced that all of this anti-Obama stuff isn’t just a couple of dozen gun happy ignorants who are upset that they lost the election.
I would agree but there are the corporate shills and the tea baggers who appear to be Ron Paul supporters who are a part of the anti-Obama demonstrations.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pm116. rhombulus,
Wondering if you could argue down the tenthers with some pragmatic effects:
*) If it hurts tourism, it hurts the economy
*) If it places folks from Texas in a bad light, it makes them less viable in business and academic circles.
*) Tenthers re-enforce the negative image of Texas formed by its favored son (Bush)
etc.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pmTo be fair:
I was just driving down the road in s.CA. and was behind a white pickup that had 10″ black letters on the back “Beware of Obamageddon.”
Yeah, we’ve got plenty of rednecks here too.
August 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pmLet’s move along. We’re all Americans. There’s more holding us together than splitting us apart. This is a time when we need to be bound together, unbreakable, instead of individually broken, one by one.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:59 pmYou know in all seriousness…
If this is how a segment of Texas really feels maybe we can convince them to all locate in one section of Texas and let them divide the state and that tiny little area can secede.
Then this small little island can be enclosed in borders and armed guards to “protect” American citizens from the illegal aliens?
Hey if they really want it then they should be willing to all relocate…
August 31st, 2009 at 8:19 pmThe Angry Republican says:
Hey if they really want it then they should be willing to all relocate…
I hear Guantanamo Bay will have some vacancies pretty soon. Maybe we could just give it to these guys.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:01 pmYee HAW! All this nonsense because the black guy won.
August 31st, 2009 at 9:48 pmSince the Treaties of Velasco were never ratified by the Mexican government, legally speaking, Texas would revert back to Mexican control.
Anyhow, here are eight ways that Texas would be totally screwed if they actually could actually secede from the United States:
1) Texas owns almost no oil or gas since the rights to almost all natural resources were sold to international conglomerates, nor does Texas own the pipelines. BTW any attack on pipelines or infrastructure would be considered an act of war against the United States.
2) Texas has no currency, and nothing of value to either back a new currency with (see item #1) or to buy sufficient reserves of an establishing currency. The federal reserve in Fort Worth is property of the United States, so good luck printing your own currency and creating your own passports. Assets held in international and American banks would be frozen and liens placed on anything of value.
3) Texas has no military. All the US military bases, equipment and federal dollars will leave. No more NASA, FBI, Veteran’s Affairs Bureau, military contractors or federally-funded colleges, highways and environmental projects either.
4) Texas has no diplomatic relations on this continent, and no way to establish any. Texas is not part of NAFTA or the WTO, and would not be recognized by the United Nations. No country will do business with Texas nor extend Texas a line of credit because they would not want to lose relations with the US and her allies. So, except for black market goods, there would be no international trade available for Texas.
5) Texas will have no telephone or internet access…and how many satellites does Texas own? No railroads will run to the US, no way to truck goods in or out. The airports of Texas would be closed.
6) Texans would be in the dark within days because they will have no electricity. Most Texan electricity is generated by coal which would no longer be imported from the United States. Texan agriculture would run out of water within a year since Texas has no water rights established between itself and the United States or Mexico.
7) All the corporations whose headquarters are currently located in Texas will have to leave (such as General Motors and Bell Helicopter) along with their equipment and those jobs. Foreign companies would also pull out (#2 & #4).
8) Texas, without a military, would still be responsible for defending its own borders and shoreline.
As the old expression goes: be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:15 am133. nygenxer sez:… The Treaties of Velasco are largely irrelevant. On the Mexican side, they were superceded by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War and arrived at boundaries close to that of the present day. On the US side, with regard to TX, they were rendered irrelevant by the accession of TX as a state in the Union, although Guadalupe-Hidalgo did set the boundary between TX as a US state and Mexico.
Unlike Velasco, Mexico did ratify Guadalupe-Hidalgo, although not without controversy similar to Velasco; there were charges and assertions of duress, etc.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:41 amVirtual Bubble:
I think you and I could have a lot of fun playing a game of “What-ifs” over a couple of beers or a doobie.
IMO it falls into a loophole. According to wikipedia: “The treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 1.36 million km² (525,000 square miles; 55% of its pre-war territory, not including Texas) to the United States…” [bold emphasis is mine]
I’m not an expert, but if Texas is not included in Guadalupe-Hidalgo, and Velasco was never ratified (and as you pointed out, hardly legal in the first place) then technically speaking, Texas would still be part of Mexico and they would be in a state of war…
September 1st, 2009 at 5:31 amSo be it. America, contact your senators and reps and tell them that you want YOUR tax dollars that have been sent to Texas returned immediately.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:32 amWe could also boycott ANYTHING Texas? yes? no?
135. nygenxer…
That’s the crux of the problem. Texas became a Republic in 1836. I don’t know that they were ever recognized as an independent nation by anyone, including the US. Since the Mexican government didn’t recognize Velasco, they obviously didn’t recognize Texas as independent, but, de facto, they were.
The Mexican-American War of 1846 started with the accession of Texas as a state in the Union in 1845. Mexico considered that accession to be an act of war and broke diplomatic relations. Things went downhill from there, obviously, but the end result, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, while perhaps not ceding Texas to the US, did establish the Rio Grande, from Brownsville to El Paso, at the US-Mexican boundary. So the question is, If the Mexican government never ceded Texas, considered by them to be a province in rebellion, to the US, but did acknowledge the present day border as the boundary de jure, do they think they still have a claim to Texas? There’s certainly a revanchist faction in Mexican politics that considers the entire outcome of the War of 1846 to be unfair; most US politicians don’t think about it at all and don’t question the outcome if they do.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:55 pm137. Footnote. Yes, Texas was recognized as an independent state by a couple of European countries, and had diplomatic relations or representation with the UK, which did not recognize them.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:58 pmI see a few well-spoken comments concerning the Texas Nationalist Movement and its goals. I do appreciate those who have at least attempted to use facts to bolster your opinions.
I am the editor of the Texas National Press, the newsletter of the TNM. A few facts from our side for you to consider:
1. “Texas has no military.” Fifteen percent of the U.S. armed forces are Texans. We also have 200,000 National Guardsmen and more than 18,000 members of the Texas State Guard (which is the Governor’s non-federalizable militia). We own that guard equipment.
2. “Texas could not defend itself.” Well we have the manpower and the weapons, but the more important question would be, who should we have to defend ourselves against? Mexico certainly isn’t going to invade — they have their own problems. The U.S. would not need to invade, since we’re not talking about fighting our way out. No one else has the logistics nor any reason to attack us. Moreover, the TNM supports negotiations with the U.S. which could lead to the retention of US bases such as Ingleside, Fort Hood and Fort Bliss.
3. The Texas economy. Texas is the seventh-largest producer of oil in the world, and we’re No.2 in natural gas production. Texas leads the nation in both the production of alternative energy sources and in the creation of alternative energy production. Water was mentioned — yes, we’d need to conclude treaties with Mexico and the U.S. concerning water rights on our western border. East Texas and Central Texas have no water problem. Texas is also among the world’s leaders in the production of rice and cotton. We have several major banking centers and high-technology manufacturing centers in Texas.
Moreover, why would big business “have” to leave? As it is, federal over-regulation has already forced many big industries out of North America entirely — it’s highly possible that Texas could create a more business-friendly atmosphere and attract many of those manufacturers back and restore a middle class which has been taxed out of existence.
4. Texas has no diplomatic relations, true. Why couldn’t we establish any? Are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, and the Ukraine diplomatically isolated because they left the old USSR? The U.S. is our parent country, our brothers and sisters–not our enemy. We would always seek the partnership of neighbors with them. Then there’s the question of whether or not we want to join the WTO or the United Nations, neither of which are friends of the U.S. anyway.
5.”Texas couldn’t fund its own government.” Texas sends $50 billion a year to Washington. Texas receives $38 billion a year from Washington (including defense costs). True, we might not have 6 million government bureaucrats — but do we need them?
7. “This is all anti-Obama people.” I joined the TNM in 2006 because I opposed the Patriot Act and several other things the Republicans were doing. Matter of fact, I’m the reporter who exposed Bush’s education agenda as a fraud while he was still governor here, and tried to warn Republicans about him. They didn’t listen. The movement itself has been active since at least the presidency of Bush I. We have gained some momentum of late because the current federal government is even more out of control than it was before, but we’ve been at this for a while. Our members include Texans who are black, Hispanic, Asian and white. The VP of the TNM calls himself “a liberal former Democrat.”
Yeah, we have a few uneducated, uncultured sorts in our midst — but so do you. Ask moveon.org about the people they bussed into the rally and paid $15 an hour to heckle our event. Ask them about why they coached those paid hecklers to “physically intimidate whenever possible” — that’s a direct quote from one of those paid hecklers. Ask them why it was one of their people, not ours, who got arrested for trying to start a fistfight.
We welcome discussion. Keep it civil, and we’ll chat all day with you.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pm