Fearmongering About Education Speech, Perkins Claims Obama Hasn’t ‘Pushed Any Educational Reform Issues’
Fearmongering About Education Speech, Perkins Claims Obama Hasn’t ‘Pushed Any Educational Reform Issues’
For the past few days, conservatives have been freaking out over President Obama’s upcoming speech to schoolchildren on the first day of school. Though Obama’s speech will be about “persisting and succeeding in school,” the right wing is claiming it is about “school indoctrination” just like “what Chairman Mao did.”
On Fox News this morning, NPR’s Juan Williams defended Obama’s effort as “innocuous,” saying that “on the face of it, it seems to be almost patriotic…you should hear the president speak about the value of education, staying in school, hard work.” But Family Research Council President Tony Perkins wasn’t convinced that the speech would be benign. To buttress his argument, Perkins asserted that “the president really hasn’t pushed any educational reform issues yet in his administration”:
PERKINS: It is unprecedented in the fact that there’s a worksheet attached with this, that there’s homework involved here. And Juan has to admit that the question of write a letter to yourself on how you can help the president does raise some questions as to whether or not he could have gotten into the policy issues. The president really hasn’t pushed any educational reform issues yet in his administration. He’s been busy with other controversial things. But you know, going to elementary kids to talk about drop out. What about high school kids? That is a little — it raises some questions.
Watch it:
Perkins is speaking without regard for the facts when he says that Obama hasn’t “pushed any educational reform issues yet.” In fact, Obama has put a strong emphasis on education reform. For instance, the stimulus bill contained an unprecedented investment in education, which was aimed at incentivizing reform:
To help struggling schools, the federal government will use stimulus funding to encourage states to expand school days, reward good teachers, fire bad ones and measure how students perform compared with peers in India and China, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said yesterday.
As Matthew Yglesias has noted, that administration’s “Race to the Top” reform competition encourages states to drop restrictions on performance data. In March, President Obama delivered a speech on his goal of overhauling the education system “from the cradle up through a career.” In the speech, Obama laid out a five-tier reform plan, which included “Early Learning Challenge” grants, “tougher, clearer standards,” and funding for No Child Left Behind to be more effectively tied to results.
Perkins also claimed that Obama has avoided education because “he’s been busy with other controversial things.” But the truth is that Obama has been criticized by people saying that he was distracting himself from the economy by pushing education reform. In his March speech, he said that “there are some who believe we can only handle one challenge at a time,” but “we don’t have the luxury of choosing between getting our economy moving now and rebuilding it over the long term.”
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Oh, I get it now. They’re upset because the President is too involved with public education and because he hasn’t done anything involving public education.
And here I thought the GOP was popoulated entirely by shrieking psychotic morons. Silly me.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 pmIt is my firm belief that if President Obama were to part the waters, deliver up loaves and fishes for everyone, heal the sick, or anything else for that matter, the republicans would piss and moan about it.
What the he**?
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pmGeorge H W Bush spoke to students in mass in 1989, did the Right protest that as mind control?
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:28 pmSure – let’s care what a crooked Bible-Profiteer has to say about it.
F Tony Perkins, and the ass he rode in on.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pmCheck out this facebook page of a local tv channel asking parents what they think of the president’s speech to children. It’s amazing how ignorant and hateful these people are.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/KXII-TV/48597654813?v=feed&story_fbid=139081068088
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm.
I am proud to live in a Nation that affords it’s citizenry the freedom to watch a PROPAGANDA station that provides a platform for ignorance.
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September 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pmThere are PLENTY of folks in the Education Biz who think Obama’s sold out on Education–need I add: “too.”
And he did it in the very first month of his regime.
His SecofEd, Arne Duncan, is a phuquing corpoRat LAWYER, is a testing nazi, and a school privatizer, and ‘accountability’ drone.
He’s doing nothing more than continuing the disastrous Bushevik plans.
Obama had a chance to name a REAL reformer–Linda Darling hammond would have been nice–but he went with the BIG MONEY (need I add: “Again”?) interests…
If you needed to take a clue about Obama’s true feelings, look at his (dis)appointments…
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 pmSomeone from LA, which has one of the LOWEST high school graduation rates in the country, is criticizing a vibrantly pro-education president?
Yikes…
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 pmFOX News will probably avoid showing the President’s address as they did last time. The GOP worries that if people listen to Obama’s actual words they may realize for themselves that they have been lied to constantly by the Republican Party and that he doesn’t seem like the socialistic nazi communist far left liberal that they prop him up to be. I mean how disrespectful can a group of adults be? Considering the deference given to George the Braindead throughout his tenure. Despite my disdain for Bush I couldn’t percieve of going apeshit crazy if he were to air an address to students for Christ-sakes. Conservative groups along with the GOP are just a bunch of spoiled crybabies. They act as though they’re still in charge and hope nobody will notice.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pmEveryONE knows what this is about, don’t we?
Come on, let’s not be hypocrites, pleazzzze, it’s truly insulting to our intelligence!
A POTUS telling students to study and do their homework should never be questioned, not even communists!!
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pmThis is getting too easy. Every time the Righty Tighties get their wedgy driven so far up their butt crack it becomes a hat, one of their faithful starts a new meme while they try to dig their Underoos out from the one they are losing on.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pmGosh he’s going to indoctrinate school kids! Just like Chairman Mao did!
Look at China today. Did it work?
No.
So?
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pmGo this page and counter the vicious comments by parents asked if they will allow their child to hear the president’s speech:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/KXII-TV/48597654813?v=feed&story_fbid=139081068088
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pmJust more Repuglian lies. They should all be forced to tell only the truth. Perhaps a dose of reality would help. Oh! I forgot, Repuglians have no brains, morals, ethics or common sense, sorry.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pmFer cris’sake!!
Talking to school children about the value of staying in school, doing homework and studying is not emphasizing education??
According to them, if Obama speaks, he says too much.
If he doesn’t speak, he hasn’t spoken out.
What do these people want from Obama — no matter what he does, no matter what he says, it is either evil, or subversive, or insufficient.
I think I know what these people want for Obama – and I won’t repeat it here because we all know the truth.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pmI can’t believe we’re going to have to listen to these clowns for the next 4-8 years. I am continuously surprised/dismayed by their vitriol and how comfortable they are just flat out lying…Ailes over at Fox is making this bulls**t his mission.
I checked out the facebook pg mentioned above….all 4 of them are from Texas and love god and Ann Coulter…and one has a love of cookie dough, her words not mine
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm“Tonight on Fox News:
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pmReading makes your children gay…
Planet still quite flat”
Oh I get it now. The Republicans along with right wing groups are against the President’s speech because it just might inspire under-priveleged and inner city children to work harder and strive for that American Dream. All good Republicans know that an informed and intelligent electorate trends Democratic and they can’t have that now.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pmMarie asks,
What do these people want from Obama –
A Messiah?
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September 3rd, 2009 at 1:41 pmCheeseflap, I don’t know how you do it but please, keep them coming.
And send paper towels so I can still read my monitor.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pmAnd here’s what’s wrong – did Juan Williams slam back at this outrageous assertion? Did he refute Perkins stance that Obama has done nothing for education? The folks watching Fox News hear Perkins and nod “yes, yes” and wait for the fact-based rebuttal that doesn’t come. Even here, on the TP post there is NO mention of how Juan Williams responded. I’m sick of every media outlet available to me -
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pmIt doesn’t matter what President Obama does – these rightwingnut tools will never be satisfied.
Repugnicants don’t want smarter Americans. They want those who are touched with ‘deh stupid’ because they’re easier to manipulate.
Religion for profit nuts like Perkins are the absolute worst because they only contribute to the ignorance and stupidity of the rightwing.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pmAs long as he doesn’t read “My Pet Goat” there should be no concern.
Seriously, a President wanting kids to do well in school by working hard and staying out of trouble is a problem for the Right Wing? A President who is a role model for millions of underprivileged kids? Perhaps the next generation will be smarter than the collection of morons and rubes who are screaming about “birth certificates”, “death panels”, and supporting the right of private insurance companies to clean us out financially. If this President can provide the motivation for this generation of children to get educated, we’ll be a better country for it.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pmPerkins is one of the worst kind of lying hypocrites.
He’s disgusting.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm.
… But this was a successful day of visits?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IedVRYUNWUU
Seems like Secret Service needed some education about removing a president from a known location WHILE the Nation is under attack…
… NO?
Or were the Secret Service educated enough to KNOW that as fact, the president was safe?
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September 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pmteh family is looking for a better life (read: sheltered) for their children, so Tony Perkins, chief among them, will be putting his hands over his children’s eyes when the black man comes to town. He wouldn’t want to darken their pretty field of vision, now.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pma bridge – you get paid for this?
or are you just a booger-waver at heart?
sux to spend an entire life as an 8-year old, so
try something else, for your own personal good.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pmMy gawd.
I’ve never seen such a momentum of hate and paranoia.
And Fox Barbie acts so surprised at the results of the brain poison she’s been serving.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pmMister Perkins Neighborhood
Hello boys and girls.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 pmCan you say “Swiftboat”?
A Patriotic Anopheles Acting says:
Oh I get it now. The Republicans along with right wing groups are against the President’s speech because it just might inspire under-priveleged and inner city children to work harder and strive for that American Dream. All good Republicans know that an informed and intelligent electorate trends Democratic and they can’t have that now.
Quite right. Or as Glenn Beck calls it: Communist indoctrination!
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:57 pmRepublicans fear an educated electorate.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pmMegan deserves a ride on an old wooden roller coaster while wearing a cheese grater in her undies…
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 pmHow did
Hysterical Ninnyism
become a “political movement”?
I guess dignity and self-respect have gone the way of the rotary phone.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:02 pmIt’s not enough that they want to keep science out of school, now they want to keep the kids out of school.
Home school them and you can teach them that 2+2=5, black skin should be feared, and convince them some sky fairy is watching their every move.
You have to pass a test to get a driver’s license, but they’ll let just anyone have kids.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:03 pmWhat I want to know is, why do Tony Perkins eyes light up every time a good looking guy walks by?
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pmI wonder when the public is going to wake up and say enough of this silliness.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pmo gee look, a troll with a bridge to name
how cute
imagine if it wasn’t a wimpy, closeted, ignorant, fearful, little right wing hick
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pmHow ironic that Tony Perkins, a guy who wants all children to have to go to “Sunday school,” is concerned about children being subjected to propaganda. Beautiful, Tony, beautiful!
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm>Enter Republican Name Here< is speaking without regard for the facts…
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pmName a turd for this poster: “The President’s spokesman, Marlin Fitzwater, responded by denying that Mr. Bush’s talk to the schoolchildren had been a political event and calling the criticism “nonsense”.
So I take it you agree that conservative criticism is nonsense.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pmPerkins is speaking without regard for the facts when he says that Obama hasn’t “pushed any educational reform issues yet.”
– - Wow, Matt, that’s WAAAAAY too polite considering what a horse’s ass Perkins is.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pmThe Bush 41 school speech was made to grease the skids for his wildly ineffective drug law package.
bit of a difference there, eh bridgey?
what made you a hysterical ninny with no dignity??
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pmThe right just wants to future generations to remain dumb so they can control them.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:16 pmPerkins:it’s unprecedented that there’s homework involved here.
OMG! Obama is giving American kids EXTRA HOMEWORK!
I sure hope they recieve extra credit.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmHoodathunk says:
This is getting too easy. Every time the Righty Tighties get their wedgy driven so far up their butt crack it becomes a hat, one of their faithful starts a new meme while they try to dig their Underoos out from the one they are losing on.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Gee, thanks for that visual. **gag**
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm1991: DEMS BLAST BUSH 41 SCHOOL SPEECH
Kinda undercuts the right’s argument that this has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE (apart from hitler, of course) doesn’t it?
I somehow doubt that Obama is gonna need close to $30,000 to produce his podcast, either.
Sorry- fail.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pmBTW, what the f uck is wrong with these people?
They must have a seriously low opinion of their children’s intelligence if they think a small amount of time with a scary black president will overcome a lifetime of indoctrination received at home.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmI read some of the comments from that facebook link jrox posted.
I think that the real fear of these fokkksist parents is that their children might like and respect our not-white president.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pmEverything has a conspiracy behind it? I wonder what the Arbor Day speech will ‘really’ be about.
At least this President can make an education speech and sound like he’s had some.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pmName a bridge for Ted says:
1991: DEMS BLAST BUSH 41 SCHOOL SPEECH
If we’re going all 1990’s retro:
“I feel your pain.”
Heh.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 pmFearmongering About Education Speech, Perkins Claims Obama Hasn’t ‘Pushed Any Educational Reform Issues’
In other words, Obama hasn’t yet asked the vital question: “Is our kids learning?”
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pmIf he can be as effective as the Chairman Mao, perhaps US manufacturing jobs will come back to America! Let us hope that his propaganda works.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmIt affirms what I’ve said about the American public–GUS (Gullible Uninformed Stupid)People who THINK would laugh these nitwits off the air.It’s the public that is the problem.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmGod. These people are truly ugly. I can’t even express just how distasteful it is to me – and how ashamed I am – that we Americans have sunk so very low.
I am ashamed.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Baloney?
Really?
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:00 pmWhatever “mind game” you may have been in,
you’ve lost.
Sorry to have to break it to you that way.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pmBaloney,
Let’s just keep up the same old indoctrination that people of color are evil. Is that what you want?
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pmThe Bridge Troll couldn’t post a link and expects us to believe what he typed is what the article said.
Anyhoo, he should be flagged for his heinous name as well as voted down.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pmBaloney, the next time you have a thought, keep it to yourself.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 pmPerkins didn’t mention how he was verbally undressed by Ed Shultz last night, did he?
I didn’t think so…
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pmBaloney: “Stay out of our kids schools with your mind games. Who will be next indoctrinating your children,”
Have your children been to Sunday school?
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:18 pmIt’s fitting that the people most pushed out of shape by the idea of indoctrinating children are Christians. They know all about it. It’s called “Sunday School.”
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pmringostarr: “If he can be as effective as the Chairman Mao, perhaps US manufacturing jobs will come back to America! Let us hope that his propaganda works.”
Mao had nothing to do with those factories. It was VP George HW Bush’s many “junkets” to China with corporate CEO’s in the 80’s that got that ball rolling.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:25 pmTony Perkins is a religious freak. How sad that we finally have such a enlightened president, and he’s being treated as a monster. Just unreal. Every day something(s) is reported having to do with the insanity that is now the GOP.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:26 pmTony Perkins,isn’t he the gay crackhead that was saved by Jimmy Swaggart back in the 80’s? I believe I recall a story in the early 80’s where Swaggert saved him for Jeeeeeeessus, after a night of rough oral sex and smoking crack!
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmNinerFan,
you are right. I would just to see the indoctrinating happen and the manufacturing jobs come back to the US. W1 and W2 were/are the worst things to happen to American jobs next to Reagan and Clinton (NAFTA).
We liberals can not give Clinton a free pass.
I have to say that I am nauseated everytime I walk into a store and see “made in China”. Perhaps queasy stomach comes from the fact that I know so many good paying jobs went oversees or it could be from the lead based paints that these products are made with…
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pmThe wingnuts and repugs are so fcking pathetic, it makes me ill. I cant believe how much these nuts find something wrong with everything that president Obama does.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pmThen you have the parents who are going to keep their children home on sept. 8th. What is wrong with these people? What the heck are they so afraid of?
sscnturn64,
They are pathetic. These are the same people the ballyhooed over the fact that some parents were going to keep their kids home to watch the historic event that was Obama’s swearing in ceremony.
September 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pmringostarr: “We liberals can not give Clinton a free pass.”
I agree. He was a big part of a huge problem we have here in this country. We aren’t manufacturing things anymore. We need to start making things again.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pmNinerFan,
Even though I chose to pick on Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush; historically this started under the great President of them all-Dick Nixon. If you look at US manufacturing, you will notice that 1972 was a pivotal year.
Perhaps his detante with China back then spurred their growth… but that was the year US manufacturing reached its peak and fell hard and swift.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 pmCurrently I have only antecdotal evidences but I am considering embarking on a new study. My hypothesis is that a significant relationship exists between level of education, political leaning, and the purchase and consumption of the luncheon meat known as baloney.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pmAgainst the myth, homework does not improve ‘performance.‘ There is A LOT of research on the subject.
What it does do, for one thing, is condition children to perform tasks away from the work-place, on their own time without any expectation of reward, but only punishment for not performing.
Think about it: You know it’s true. It trains you not to complain when your boss requires you to take work home…
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmThe Faux morning crowd mixes up their teachings in Pure Fiction 315 with History of Popular Retcons 205. They really need to do some read arounds with the talking points scripts before they hit the air…to avoid the R’s and S’s.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pmAnd this is why stupid people shouldn’t have children…
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pmAnd lemme gues, they also believe that:
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:29 pmA) The Earth was created by G-D 6,000 years ago (thank you Jerry Falwell!)
B). The Earth is Flat (I can’t even begin to explain this one).
Don’t forget, the Bible was written by the same people who said the world was flat!
September 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pmChickenbone Bill says:
Don’t forget, the Bible was written by the same people who said the world was flat!
linzloo08 says:
And lemme gues, they also believe that:
A) The Earth was created by G-D 6,000 years ago (thank you Jerry Falwell!)
B). The Earth is Flat (I can’t even begin to explain this one).
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September 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pmProof that this board is full of God hating communist
adolescents that don’t have a clue to where their
rights come from. Mao wannabes
Stock Biltson says:
Your post is proof you are an ignorant brainwashed creting with the brain of a fruitfly. Hitler wannabe. You fascist morons are so funny.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pmStock Biltson (!?): “Proof that this board is full of God hating communist
adolescents that don’t have a clue to where their
rights come from. Mao wannabes.
Hey stupid – not accepting the bible as the word of god does not mean you’re a communist. And, our rights do not come from god. They’re enumerated in our constitution which has very little to do with god. In fact, there is no mention of god in our constitution and only two references in the entire Federalist Papers (of the “god only knows” variety). Moreover, our legal system is not based on “Judeo-Christian values.” Only two of the ten commandments are codified into our laws – no killing and no stealing.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 pmHey Stock, since you’re obviously a very pious follower of Jesus, maybe it’s time for you to review his general feelings on health care as related by one of his best buds, a fellow named Matthew:
““Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Stock, if you don’t agree that we need to provide all our citizens with health care, according to your Savior, you’re going to hell! Have fun!
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:33 pmhonestly as a high school teacher i have not seen up until tuesday obama advocating for my students at all, granted in the stimulus package the SENATE gave large amounts of money for the head start program which helps 3 and 4 year old children get into day car, which is a volatile subject to begin with and many educators see that as more detrimental to a childs developement. As for keeping quality teachers in our schools i have not seen any effort from the president, nearly every teacher that is not tenured was let go from my local school district!
now the left is calling the right facist morons, and the right is calling the left communists, and nothing is being accomplished to help the thousands of students who will drop out.
I am not a fan that the president is assigning homework, why overburden students who already have a huge amount of federal and state mandated curriculum to achieve.
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:35 pmHey prince, our high school problems are nothing that can’t be solved by more funding. And, please don’t pretend that “throwing money at something” doesn’t usually fix it. And now for your spot quiz: who favors better funding for public schools? Republicans or Democrats?
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 pmWhy is it that today’s conservative Christians don’t seem to want to discuss Matthew? Too much cognitive dissonance?
September 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 pmNinerFan says:
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Stock Biltson (!?): “Proof that this board is full of God hating communist
adolescents that don’t have a clue to where their
rights come from. Mao wannabes.
Hey stupid – not accepting the bible as the word of god does not mean you’re a communist. And, our rights do not come from god. They’re enumerated in our constitution which has very little to do with god. In fact, there is no mention of god in our constitution and only two references in the entire Federalist Papers (of the “god only knows” variety). Moreover, our legal system is not based on “Judeo-Christian values.” Only two of the ten commandments are codified into our laws – no killing and no stealing.
Finally someone who can actually think for themselves!
September 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pmWhat good does it do to beat up the messenger even if the message hasn’t been delivered yet? The Republicans aren’t interested in President Obama’s message delivered to the school children. This is a case of unfounded fear.
It is about time President Obama adresses the Republicans’
politics of fear. After 8 years of fear politics with Cheney/Bush, the country sure could use a break.
I have had it with the fear freaks.
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 pmNinerFan says:
Stock Biltson (!?): “Proof that this board is full of God hating communist
adolescents that don’t have a clue to where their
rights come from. Mao wannabes.
Hey stupid – not accepting the bible as the word of god does not mean you’re a communist. And, our rights do not come from god.
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Okay doodley hole,
Enumerate them for us. The fact is that the constitution
limits the powers of the government, the founders, as
in the declaration of independence, said our rights come
from our creator (hint: Obamy your mammy is not our
creator) and so does other documents written by our
founding fathers. Liberal ignorance is pathetic.
Congress shall make no law…..
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not be infringed….
etc. and etc.
These were stated as limits to what government can do,
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 pmnot giving us rights. The writers of the constitution
approached these rights as already existing. Read some
historical facts instead of propaganda and you may
learn some truth.
OK, first of all, it says people are endowed by “their” creator, not “our” creator. The Founders were mainly deists, although there is much evidence to argue that both Thomas Paine and George Washington were athiests. And, they were talking about “natural rights” as enumerated by The Enlightenment.
Then, strangely, you enumerate one of the rights they gave us and then, in the very next sentence, say the constitution wasn’t about giving us rights. Make up your mind. The entire “Bill of Rights” is called that because it’s giving us rights. God has nothing to do with your right to bear arms. Most of the Founders not only were not Christians, but displayed overt hostility to Christianity.
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 pm– Thomas Jefferson
NinerFan says:
Hey Stock, since you’re obviously a very pious follower of Jesus, maybe it’s time for you to review his general feelings on health care as related by one of his best buds, a fellow named Matthew:
““Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
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Notice, he did not say, “have the government take from
September 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 pmthose who earn with the threat of force to give to
those who do not.” Like Acorn, GM, GE, etc.
Just so happens Obama made 20 times more money than
I did in 07, and I gave 10 times more to the needy than he did. So, how did you atheists do on the charity thing? Our short motto is “make all you can, save all you can,
and give all you can to those that are in need.” And
I ain’t talking about ACORN, SEIU, Charley Rangel,
Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, or Barney Frank.
mfn hypocrites, liers, bigots, fear mongerers…
September 4th, 2009 at 12:12 amif it wasn’t for the stim act, they wouldnt have a school, and yet they balk.
lying pieces of ….
.
Like this…
… FEA(R) ?
.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:24 amNinerFan says:
OK, first of all, it says people are endowed by “their” creator, not “our” creator. The Founders were mainly deists, although there is much evidence to argue that both Thomas Paine and George Washington were athiests.
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Exact wording.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Notice the phrase “We hold these truths to be self
evident…..”
George Washington an atheist? That is quite a stretch to the extreme.
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.” George Washington
“Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” George Washington
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom,the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower
portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges
sit a display of the Ten Commandments!
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement…
“We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves
according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country, said …
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians .. not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”
Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher … whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.
Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law …an oligarchy . the rule of few over many.
The very first Supreme Court Justice,John Jay, said …
“Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”
I could overwhelm you with the evidence the founders were not atheists. And by the way, you may want to look up the word providence sometime.
September 4th, 2009 at 8:21 amThis Obami sure can pick ‘em. His latest head scratcher – Van Bones, I mean jones. Keep up the good work Obami, I’m enjoying seeing you with your s—-eating grin on your pie hole.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pmyou for your sharing.!
September 7th, 2009 at 10:26 am