Limbaugh Fill-In Advocates Secession: ‘I’d Like To See’ Whether ‘We Could Have A Sovereign Nation’
Limbaugh Fill-In Advocates Secession: ‘I’d Like To See’ Whether ‘We Could Have A Sovereign Nation’
In April, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) drew headlines when he warned that his state might secede from the United States “if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people.” Perry’s invocation of secession has since been endorsed by Fox News’ Glenn Beck and former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX).
More recently, radical “tenthers” in Texas, who were heartened by Perry’s comments, held a rally in the state capitol advocating for Texas to secede. On Rush Limbaugh’s radio show today, his fill-in host, Walter E. Williams, pushed the idea to Limbaugh’s millions of listeners:
WILLIAMS: Look, Mark, I don’t know what we’re going to do. That is, one of the questions, one of the issues is that we may be like other great nations of the past. Other great nations like Rome and Great Britain and go down the tube. Now, there’s a group of people. There’s kind of a wild hope or a remote possibility. There’s a group of young people. They call themselves freestateproject.org. And these young people are trying to get 20,000 Americans to move to the state of New Hampshire and peacefully take over the political system, you know, through voting and things like that and elect their own congressmen and senators. And then having done so, they wish, they want to negotiate with the United States Congress to obey the United States Constitution. Now, some members of the group, not all of them, some members of the group say that if they can’t get Congress to obey the United States Constitution, they’re going to issue a unilateral declaration of independence, become a separate nation. Now, I don’t know whether that’s going to work. The last time it didn’t work, but the first time in 1776, it did work. And so, I think we’re batting 500 and I’d like to see whether we could break the tie. Whether we could have a sovereign nation.
Listen here:
This isn’t the first time that Williams has advocated secession. In a 2002 column, while endorsing the Free State Project, Williams wrote that they want to “move to one state, possibly New Hampshire, peaceably take over the legislature, negotiate with Congress to obey their oath of office to uphold the Constitution and, if necessary, secede from the Union.” In 2007, after the conservative “Mallard Fillmore” comic strip promoted him as a potential presidential candidate, Williams declined, saying that he favored Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). In April 2009, Paul said that “secession is a very much American principle.”
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Seems odd to me that the states who take more money from DC (rather than put more tax money in the treasury) are the ones advocating leaving the union. If they cannot survive without the federal government’s handouts to them, how are they going to survive on their own?
September 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pmHead rumpler speaks.
Hail great ignant blimpblob!
September 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pmYou know what? If Texas and others want to secede, Then friggin secede! That means no National Guard, no FEMA, no FDA, No ‘Socail Security’ or ‘Medcare’ I’m tired of this BullSh*t. If they think the U.S. is so bad get the Fu*k out!
September 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm.
… Because nothing screams “COUNTRY FIRST” like secession.
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September 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pmDear Mr. Williams:
Remember the Alamo. Don’t make us come back again.
Love, Mexico.
PS: Ask yourself how many Texans have last names like Gonzalez, Ramirez and Martinez.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pmAnd remember: All the Repugs are going all over their own states bragging about all the pork they are bringing back home. Pork they decried at the time as ‘wasteful spending’. I’m looking at you Perry and Jindal.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm“The last time it didn’t work, but the first time in 1776, it did work. And so, I think we’re batting 500 and I’d like to see whether we could break the tie.”
– - Yep, it’s all just a game. These people are as big a chickenhawk as Cheney and Bolton.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pmUh oh, this guy must’ve found Rush’s stash and took too many of them ‘hillbilly heroin’ pills.
Sheesh…
September 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pmI say let them go. Take the whole south with you. It’s not too late for that is it? Okay, okay … how about a temporary secession? Give them one year trial secession. Immediately cut off all federal programs and funds. Pull out the national guard. Stop medicare and medicaid. Instantly. No postal service. No money for roads, schools, water, infrastructure. No FDA, EPA, CIA, FBI – nothing.
It’ll take a week maybe before the citizens beat down the doors of their big-mouth reps offices and lynch them.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm*
This substitute gasbag also said that he should be able to sell his own organs, too. I happen to agree with him on that one. After all, just think how much money his brain must be worth . . . it’s brand new and hasn’t been used at all.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pmStrat@6, Yeah. And their constuents are so stupid, they don’t realize it is pork? All those checks Jindal was so happy to put his John Handcock on is from sitmulus money. It makes me want to gag.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pmIm sure Limbaugh has stopped wearing his flag lapel pin on jan 20, 09
Funny how their form of patriotism works..
September 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pmAnyone else find it ironic that the last time parts of this country seceeded, it was (in part) to keep his ancestors in slavery?
Seriously. Have these psychotics every really thought of the ramifications of seceeding from the country? Besides it being an act of treason, should any “soverign citizen” cross the border without their paperwork, they get to experience the fine life of being an illegal immigrant in America.
Also, the thought of a ragtag group of far-right blowhards surviving for more than 2 weeks without a strong governing force (you know, to keep the deaths from random gun fights at bay) is hilarious.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pmFire Departments… gone.
Police departments… gone.
Highway system… gone.
Social Security… gone.
Medicare… GONE!
National Guard… gone.
Coast Guard… gone.
Electrical grid… gone.
Federal Prisons… gone.
… What else is Texas willing to forgo so as to be FREE from America?
September 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pmGood luck with that loons! Considering the fact that Rush and these rascist secessionists don’t respect or want African-Americans around, what in hell does this tool Williams think they would do with the likes of him?
September 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pmTexans,
The men from Western NC and Tennessee are the ones that went down to Texas to do your fighting and died for you so you could be a part of the U.S the first time.
Don’t count on us for a repeat when you come crying to us for help again when you realize what a stupid thing you’ve done.
You’d better remember the Alamo!
September 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pmWell hold on here.
According to FCC rules:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/amfmrule.html#COMMON
Sec. 73.1217 Broadcast hoaxes.
No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast
false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if:
(a) The licensee knows this information is false;
(b) It is forseeable that broadcast of the information will cause
substantial public harm, and
(c) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause
substantial public harm.
They are not allowed to perform a hoax, so then this call for seccession must be true, which is call to treason, ergo, ABC should be shut down for violating their broadcast license.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pmOkay, okay … how about a temporary secession?
No way. If the southern kiddies figure it is time to move out, I’d help pack their bags. And change the locks on the doors.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm.
I would think the FEAR of all the Federal Prison inmates being let free to roam Texas streets would have Texans reconsider…
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September 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pmThis “secession” idea has to be good for the Republican Party.
I mean, if Democrats tried it, they’d look like whiny children screaming “I’m gonna run away from home and THEN they’ll be sorry.”
But with Republicans, it’s different. They don’t look like spoiled children at all. In fact, it gives them a sort of rugged masculinity, don’t you think?
September 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pmDear Texas,
Please secede.
Sincerely,
The Rest of the Country
September 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pmThe Bush family, originally, from Ohio….
September 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pmWalter Williams has been Uncle Thom’n it for years now.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pmAs for the rudeness of the Tea-baggers, Birthers, Death Panelists et.al, much of it originates, or at least encouraged, on the public airwaves by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
Metaphorically speaking, the rational public should break out a spit and stuff an apple in that fat pig’s (Limbaugh) mouth.
Max@14, As I said, let them secede. How long to you think it would take for all the gas-bags to realize they are totally screwed? How long will it take before immigrants go streaming across the border with no National Guards? I personally have no problem with immigrants, but these ‘Tea-Baggers’ seem very xenophobic. It would seem cosmic justice would be acheived.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI don’t see why anyone is bitter with them discussing New Hampshire leaving. getting 20K people and going. We currently have treaties with Indian Reservations and things work out well.
If someone suggested moving enough progressives to Texas to take it over politically and force them into gun laws and things, everyone would be extatic.
Let them have their little idea, hey let em try it, I love a good experiment as good as the next guy.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pmLimbaugh Fill-In Advocates Secession: ‘I’d Like To See’ Whether ‘We Could Have A Sovereign Nation’
– - So according to these secessionists, all the Americans who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are still dying there, did so for them to leave the Union.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm.
Oh, and President Bush II…
… They get to keep that?
PLEASE?
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September 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm****
the right wing crazy train is going down
mount lunacy and has lost it’s brakes.
it’s high balling for bloodshed, hate and misery.
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who sponsors this crap?
:|
September 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm- – So according to these secessionists, all the Americans who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are still dying there, did so for them to leave the Union.
No for the right for them to discuss it. Sort of like Freedom of speech. May not like what you say but would fight and die for your right to say it.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pmI went to the statefreeproject.org link.
Obsessively stingy people with no life, whining.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pmI think it goes something like this: They try to secede, we all fight a war, they lose. If they didn’t learn the first time….
September 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pmI am guessing that Walter Williams wouldn’t be all that pleased at his reception in a secessionist Texas, whwere dreagging Knee-grows behind pick-up trucks is considered a ‘polite’ sport…
September 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pmObama has succeeded, without lifting a finger, in bringing out the horrendous irrationality at the heart of the conservative mind. I suppose that’s ok, but really, I wish I didn’t know this horror was there…
September 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm***
“I love a good experiment as good as the next guy.”
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“primum non nocere.”
:|
September 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pmI just visited the freestateproject site – wow – the shyte is nutz. They’re delusional if they think the current residents of NH are going to allow them to just quietly take over?! Absolute madness.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThis is incredible! From his photo, it looks to me like the man saying, “The last time it didn’t work, but the first time in 1776, it did work” is bemoaning the downfall of a system which would have left him a slave.
From its birth as the party that prevented the dissolution of the republic and the secession of the South, the Republican party sure has sunk far.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pmSecession will never happen. The secession talk is just a Texas flavored wing nuttery. The only way Texas will ever leave the union is if it is destroyed by space aliens.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm“but these ‘Tea-Baggers’ seem very xenophobic”
September 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pmThat is why they watch Friends OF Xenophobes Network
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#29,
the right to say the same thing over and over
again in the media until people believe it.
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September 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pmTundra says:
- – So according to these secessionists, all the Americans who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are still dying there, did so for them to leave the Union.
No for the right for them to discuss it. Sort of like Freedom of speech. May not like what you say but would fight and die for your right to say it.
See dickhead that is where you always go off the rails.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:06 pmSeccession is Treason, ergo, talking of seccession is conspiracy to commit Treason. A felony. Just like conspiracy to commit murder.
“primum non nocere.”
If we truly believe that our way is the absolute best way possible and there is no way that a country the size of NH could survive on it’s own. We would be harming the citizens if we didn’t “Lock them up and force them to play ball in our pool”, perhaps we are already lost.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWhat the heck is taking them so long? Secede already! Geez, the CSA ain’t what it used to be…
September 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pmI know this is off-topic, but has anybody noticed MSM barely mentioned the anniversary of Katrina? Year after year, on 9-11, they constantly refer to the victims. And yet, Katrina barely gets mentioned. In fact, only the weather Channel did stories on it. Depressing.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pmThis man must change his first name! Oh the shame he is bringing down on all Walters!
September 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pmSee dickhead that is where you always go off the rails.
Seccession is Treason, ergo, talking of seccession is conspiracy to commit Treason. A felony. Just like conspiracy to commit murder.
So according to your theory anyone who used say… this site and discussed the ex Vice president of the United States shooting his friend in the face. If comments like “I wish he was shot in the face” or “Someone should shoot him in the face”. they would be guilty and should be jailed?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pmtalk about pandering to the uneducated gung ho’s.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pmall these wingnuts are soooo scared of the liberals….
as far as I know it’t the only the Libs who, yes, do thumb their noses and other digits, at the right wing piggies.
I think the the libs are struggling to get an agenda moving here. Talk about sensitive wing nits.
Go ahead and lead the conservative goats down the path and over the cliff for all i care.
Yeah, we all know just how effective keeping a country together at gun point is. Just look at how well it has worked in the past all over the world.
And, Tundra, have you ever looked at the size of many of the countries in the world? Almost any state in the union is larger than most.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pm“Limbaugh Fill-In Advocates Secession: ‘I’d Like To See’ Whether ‘We Could Have A Sovereign Nation’”
The crazy loon and drug addicted radio talk host is back in the news. Now, his own another project:advocating Texas to secede… Pass the popcorn please…
OT I just read on Washington Independent newspaper that Rep. Mike Pense of Indiana is aaking for Van Jones’ resignation. Sigh.. Another pet project by the GOP: get rid of the radical Van Jones who called the GOP a-holes. Pense said, “Van Jones should resign and if he is unwilling to do so, the president should demand his resignation.” This is the same rhetoric by the Party of No when they demanded Tim Geithner to be fired as Treasury Secretary.
In addition, a GOP Senator fired a letter off to Sen. Sanders in concerns of Van Jones:
Here’s the letter:
September 4, 2009
The Honorable Bernard Sanders
Chairman
Green Jobs and the New Economy Subcommittee
Committee on Environment and Public Works
U.S. Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Bernie:
Recent news reports call into question the fitness of Van Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, to perform the duties entrusted to him. I request that the Senate Green Jobs and the New Economy Subcommittee conduct an oversight hearing of Mr. Jones’ behavior and comments to reassure the American people that their government is safe from his divisive, incendiary and ultimately counterproductive sentiments.
Today, news outlets are reporting that Van Jones signed a petition from the so-called “Truther” movement which suggests that the Bush administration “may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext to war.” I can imagine few sentiments more repulsive to our brave fighting soldiers and the victims of the 9/11 terror tragedy than to think the U.S. government deliberately allowed the events of 9/11 to occur. Of course Mr. Jones in hindsight is embarrassed by the public disclosure of his participation in the petition drive and now asserts he did not read the fine print of the petition. Even if true, how can the American people trust a senior White House official that is so cavalier in his association with such radical and repugnant sentiments?
Unfortunately, this episode is just the latest in a pattern of Mr. Jones’ incendiary remarks that only divide Americans and make positive change for the future more difficult. Earlier this year in a speech in Berkeley, California on energy, Mr. Jones referred to Republicans in crude scatological words unfit for print. Last year, Mr. Jones in a radio interview stated his goals as a “complete revolution” to “transform the whole society” away from capitalism. These recent comments remove the credibility of his assertions that his past radical statements and actions such as the creation of the group Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM) rooted in Marxism and Leninism merely reflect youthful sentiments in the distant past.
Despite Mr. Jones’ continuing erratic and outrageous behavior, he occupies a senior “czar” position in the White House. He obtained this position without U.S. Senate advice and consent and without oversight of his activities. And yet, Mr. Jones is responsible for directing administration policy and spending on tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer funding regarding environmental policy and green jobs programs. Many hold out the prospect of green jobs as one of the few practical benefits of pending cap and trade legislation in the face of groups such as the National Black Chamber of Commerce which predict that such legislation will destroy over 2.5 million net jobs, even after the creation of potential new green jobs.
While I am skeptical of the ability of green jobs programs to provide meaningful numbers of new jobs without heavy continuing taxpayer subsidies or mandates that destroy millions of traditional jobs, I hope you agree that we cannot risk whatever new green jobs are in our nation’s future to unsound and unpredictable leadership.
Refusal to conduct an oversight hearing by the Subcommittee would heighten concern over whether this administration is committed to mainstream, inclusive, positive leadership and policies. While we may differ in our policy prescriptions to protect the environment and spur job creation, I hope you will agree that the Senate and our Subcommittee have a responsibility to ensure that administration stewards of taxpayer funds and government policy are capable of the jobs entrusted to them.
I look forward to your consideration and response to this request. Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
Christopher S. Bond
September 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pmU.S. Senator
Williams already has a Mister name Rush Limbaugh so I guess it makes since for people who can’t think for themselves. Williams might not have read American History as Blacks were brought over to be slaves but Rush will teach Williams what he missed. Michael Steele learned his place after speaking agaisnt Rush Limbaugh. Williams and Steele are examples of why it took so long for Equal Rights in America. Yes even Hitler had Jews working and supporting him and that’s why that Horror took so long to stop.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pmGeorge says – Hehehe, yeah, now you’re talking, I could be the dictator of Texas, they could all bow down to me and give me money and stuff, I love money, but we would have to print our own money then, that would be great, it could have a picture of me and Dick on it, then we could invade America and bring democracy to it. All us Texans with our gun and stuff running like crazy over the boarder to invade the USA, not so U anymore thanks to my fellow conservatives, we hate the rest of the country, they should do what us 26% want, we are right, they are wrong about what ever they think. I’ll of course be in a safe place while you guys to invade…can I have your stuff after you die? What do you think about this stuff, Dick?
Dick says – I want fresh blood from cute kittens and puppies.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pmI think this has already been tried. Lyndon LaRouche tried for years to have his proteges run for local offices masquerading as normal people, in an effort to gain political power for his agenda.
I predict this Free State Project will be about as successful.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pmAs I understand the linked to web page (Free State Project), their plan is to choose a small state and have a crowd move to it and take it over.
How is a Hostile Takeover the epitomy of Freedom ?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pmAbout the comments on the number of Texans with Mexican sounding names – the Free State Project seems to highlight New Hampshire.
I wonder if part of their plan is to clearly move to a State without Mexicans.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWhen Democrats got the majority of both houses in 2006, and when Obama was elected in 2008, I knew the Republicans would take their defeat pretty hard.
But I never knew they’d take it THIS hard.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pmSure just when I decide I want to move to N.H. in the spring these nut cases decide to take it over…Damn…Am I alway’s to be plagued with nut cases, liers and thieves, guess so…Let’s start a patition to allow them to leave the nation..Be gone crazie’s and don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on the way…Oh and we get to divi up all your federal money.You get to keep bull shit bush…Hurry the holidays are just around the corner and your leaving would be a big gift to all of us…..Blessings
September 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pmI think we are witnessing a back-lash. The Town Hall ‘Protesters’ are finally showing their true colors. Many people are going for a honest debate and these idiots are making asses out of themselves. When they booed that poor disabled woman(IN a wheelchair for Godsakes!) I think that many Americans were appalled. My father certainly was and he’s a Republican. Not to mention that single mother who was laughed at in front of her 2 year old child, and the woman who was crying because of her husbands disabilities only to be told that the ‘government’ can’t help her. (But it certainly could help her Rep. who gets great care from her tax dollars) I just hope the Dems keep the public option, if not, were are screwed.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
It’s like all the delusional conspiracy theories: great entertainment, but it’ll never happen. They really aren’t thinking it through. Not only would they lose federal funding, there’s the currency issue, tarrifs, licences, treaties. It just isn’t feasible.
I’d like to see you try. Go for it. You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? A bunch of crybabies can only cry cry cry. Might as well hold your breath till you get your way, brats.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pmmiss@54, I know. Just look what they are doing. Making up controversies. This whole School speech ‘controversy’ is a disgrace! The fact is, these parents don’t want their kids to listen because Obama is BLACK. Obama could cure cancer, he could bring World peace, Hell, he could catch Bin Laden, and it wouldn’t matter to these people. Disgusting.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pmYou couldn’t have a sovreign nation,
but you could have a hell of a tent city, ruled over by a couple of rich guys and their hired army.
go for it – if that’s your idea of freedom.
p.s. to “conservative guy”: exceptions don’t make rules, buddy, but please do try again, and have a super-nice day.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pmAccording to Walter E. Williams:
September 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Tundra the ignorant mumbles:
So according to your theory anyone who used say… this site and discussed the ex Vice president of the United States shooting his friend in the face. If comments like “I wish he was shot in the face” or “Someone should shoot him in the face”. they would be guilty and should be jailed?
No, the talking of what someone else did, or your desire is not CONSPIRACY. Discussing the actions involved with performing said events with Disk: “Dick you should go down to Texas and then after the lawyer guy is finished wiping the jism from his chin, you pick up your gun and shoot the dork right in the face.” Would be conspiracy. But, discussing aftereffects or the onesided whims is NOT conspiracy.
19 guys CONSPIRING TO HIJACK PLANES AND SUPPOSED FLY THEM INTO BUILDINGS ON SEPT 11 IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
People looking at the evidence (that is left to examine, hmmm) and making a retroactive best fit scientific based model as to what MUST HAVE HAPPENED to fit these FACTS is REALITY, not a CONSPIRACY.
I BELEIVE DICK CHENEY ORCHESTRATED THE ATTACKS ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. I BELEIVE DICK CHENEY IS A SELF_CONFESSED TRAITOR. I BELEIVE DICK CHENEY SHOULD HANG FOR TREASON. I AM WILLING TO HAVE MR. CHENEY TAKE ME COURT TO PROVE I AM WRONG. AND I AM WILLING TO FACE JAIL TIME TO PROVE I AM WRONG.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:27 pmOK, we’ve had a lot of laughs imagining Texas going it alone. After all, they’ve been an independent republic before, and it didn’t work out so well for them.
But now, I’m imagining New Hampshire as an independent nation. How well would they do?
Texas, at least, has some natural resources they can export (well, OK — about all they have is oil, but that would work). What might be some of the challenges New Hampshire would face as their own country?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pmbut you could have a hell of a tent city, ruled over by a couple of rich guys and their hired army.
there are many countries that aren’t the size of New hampshire or have the people and do quite well on the world stage.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pmWhat might be some of the challenges New Hampshire would face as their own country?
Well they already have their own language.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI have a good response to conservative guy, but why waste it? conservative guy never sticks around to discuss. He just drops a turd on the floor and splits.
He’s Troll JK without the BOLD.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI BELEIVE DICK CHENEY ORCHESTRATED THE ATTACKS ON SEPTEMBER 11,
I see….
September 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pmSo, all these conservatives are suddenly interested in the Constitution other than the 2nd amendment. As I understand my history, the Constitution is a liberal document written by men who embraced the progressive era of enlightenment, not the same old status-quo. If the conservatives at the time had their way, we would be having tea instead of coffee, and calling soccer football. Ironically, though, we would probably have national healthcare. Remember the Alamo!
September 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pmSorry normal folks in TX…..
Jesus, will you go ahead already and get the hell out Texas.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:35 pmStop talking about it and just do it.
Oh, and now we won’t have to send in federal money your way.
Awesome….
conservative guy says:
Reading these blogs kinda blows the the idea that liberals care about blacks. I guess liberals only care about liberal blacks.
Huh?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:37 pmI think Alan Keyes is an idiot too…not because he is black, but because he is, well, insane.
and a terrible father.
I’d like to see these folks try to secede from the union. They will quickly see how few people in their state supports their position.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pmIn April 2009, Paul said that “secession is a very much American principle.”
Yeah. Fu(k all this “United We Stand” crap.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pmhttp://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
Oh, and now we won’t have to send in federal money your way.
Awesome….
Texas spends .94 for every 1.0 they send to the U.S so the rest of the country would actually be losing out.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:41 pmWhich of them are run by wingnuts?
I can think of a couple that are run by socialists.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pmBut without petroleum welfare, that’d be more like $2.25 for every $1.00
September 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pmRepublican sore losers: You have the right to move to Canada or elsewhere (see fair weather liberals in 2004). It is perfectly within your rights to take yourself away from our country; you do not have the right to take parts of the country away from us because you have pathological contempt for our new President. If the rest of us could put up with eight years of an unelected, unindicted war criminal who did nothing to prevent the worst attack on U.S. soil in history or to protect U.S. citizens from one of the worst natural disasters in U.S. history, why can’t right wingers wait even a year before talking about something as radical as secession?
Who are the America-haters now?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pmfoia gras,
Tantrum Tossing is what they know….
along with excuse-making, lying, and putting up smokescreens.
That’s the Quisling Quarter in a nutshell.
September 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pmDear Texas,
Stop threatening us. Just go already. Take the rest of the moron (Red) states with you also morons.
You look weak when you can’t pull the trigger and get the job done. So man-up and do it already.
Did you ever notice how many people in Texas dress up as cowboys everyday even though Halloween is only one day a year?
September 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pmDid you ever notice how many people in Texas dress up as cowboys everyday even though Halloween is only one day a year?
In my dismal defense of Texanistan, I would like to point out Reagan was a Californistanian
September 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI love the absurd but all this secession talk isn’t absurd it is just juvenile unrealistic bullshit from a bunch of whiny pissants that aren’t gonna do a god damn thing but continue to piss and moan. As to the free staters those stupid f ucks are messing up NH after abandoning Texas. What gives?if Texas is so “hardcore” how come these silly boot and hat wearing posers are abandoning it?
September 4th, 2009 at 5:06 pmElections have consequences.
So does seccession.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:06 pmTexas spends .94 for every 1.0 they send to the U.S so the rest of the country would actually be losing out.
– You make the common mistake of equating dollars with value…
September 4th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWILLIAMS: And these young people are trying to get 20,000 Americans to move to the state of New Hampshire and peacefully take over the political system…
Let me get this straight — 20,000 idiots want to move to NH, take it over, and then secede.
Do they seriously think the PEOPLE of NH will put up with that?
Jeebus…
September 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pmNot really, the red states would lose because they are the ones that receive more from the federal government than they pay.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pmSame as before, They dont sees it as abandoning the US, but saving their state[s] Its a macho way of whining.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pmI think he meant that 20,000 Texan’s would like to “Suck seed”.
At least some of them would “get off” on it.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pmPerhaps Mr. Williams should ask Jeff Davis how that secession thingy turned out last time.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:18 pmZooey,
September 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pmWe have nothing to lose if 20,000 idiots move to New Hampshire and try to secede. Successful or not, all that the rest of the nation would lose is 20,000 idiots.
Give the sane people a few months to leave the South, then let it secede again – and this time let it go. They can have their theocracy of white folks and the rest of us can have public education from pre-K – grad school, universal health care, paid family leave, etc. You know, all those ’socialist’ benefits that the rest of the industrialized world has. Then the crazies who are left in the US and be encouraged to move to the new Confederacy (or Jesusland or whatever they want to call it) and the not totally nuts who didn’t leave at first can be welcomed into rational living.
I know, I know, but a girl can dream, can’t she?
September 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pmWilliams is a “libertarian,” iirc.
I am always struck that ‘libertarians’ always seem to expect that they themselves will be exempt (on their “merits”?) from the consequences of the chaos their idiotic quasi-anarchism would unleash. The appear to believe they would prosper in a Hobbesian universe. It seems to me, however, that just the opposite would be true. They’d be among the first to fall, simply because they’d presume their ‘merit’ and ‘hared work’ would preserve them. And they’d get eaten by the first bunch ot real thugs that passed their way…
September 4th, 2009 at 5:29 pmFirst of all, Rick Perry was wrong when he said that Texas reserved the right to secede from the Union when it became a state. The agreement was that Texas could divide itself into as many as five states with the approval of Congress. Nothing was mentioned about its leaving the Union. Texas Governor Rick Perry apparently is grossly ignorant of Texas history.
And in Texas v. White (1868) 74 US 700, the Supreme Court clearly held that secession by any State would violate the U. S. Constitution:
September 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
all that the rest of the nation would lose is 20,000 idiots.
September 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm—
I am not so sure…
They can have Texas. We wouldn’t even put a fight. Just take it and go away.
September 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI don’t think that’d be the way it would be – they were born on US soil so they’d still be Americans.
What about Texas residents who weren’t born there? Would they be illegal Texicans?
September 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmthere is no way that a country the size of NH could survive on it’s [sic] own.
Haven’t look up the square mileage but what about (off the top of my head) Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Lesotho, Swaziland, Sri Lanka?
September 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pmNH isn’t going anywhere.Look at the voting demographics. That crap about yankee conservatism died years ago. The free staters are just children pissing in the wind… NE is a social liberal region as people are polite enough to mind their own business. Plus there is plenty of space. That is the only reasonthese few tools are headed there. A few make some noise by walking around topless with guns or getting arrested so they can get 3 solids but they are just suburbia kids seeking an identity and a way to piss off mom and dad. Otherwise the freestate “movement” has no legs…
September 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pmNothing succeeds like secess– not to a crazy right-wing extremist, anyway.
September 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pmGood riddance!
September 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm…they’re going to issue a unilateral declaration of independence, become a separate nation. Now, I don’t know whether that’s going to work. The last time it didn’t work, but the first time in 1776, it did work.
Gee, dumba$$ — way to show your ignorance of American history. It wasn’t the Declaration of Independence in 1776 that “worked” to form a new nation — that was only done via (a) a years-long war in which many people were killed; and (b) after that war was won, the adoption of a new Constitution for that new nation.
So go ahead and secede, Texas — but then be prepared to not have the “freedom” you thought you would, without massive sacrifice…
September 4th, 2009 at 8:08 pmThey want out of the US? They can leave the US. Congress declares war, we bomb them back into the stone age. They will be surrender monkeys inside of a month. Guaranteed.
September 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pmIs this the same bat shit crazy slavery apologist Wally Williams who contends to have pictures of Blacks in the Confederate army only to have misplaced them when called on it? Why, yup, it is.
September 4th, 2009 at 9:47 pmGo ahead. Mess with New Hampshire. New Hampshireites and New Englanders outside of the state will show them teabaggers what “Live free or die” is really like when we take up arms and run them out of the region.
September 4th, 2009 at 9:50 pmThe cry for succession reminds me of an 8-year-old declaring they’re gonna run away because Mommy and Daddy are just too mean. :D
Anyways, let them try succession. It’ll flood the surrounding states with at the very least liberals, which will do two things: 1) make ‘em blue states; and 2) bump up their electoral votes. We’ll never have conservative leaders again. ;)
September 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pmIf Texas secedes will they bring back slavery?
September 4th, 2009 at 11:26 pmIt’s all BS from a pack of nit-widgets working themselves into a lather because their own brand of politics failed. Failed colossally. They can’t admit that they failed, so they blame someone else and threaten to run away from home; they’re worse than a bunch of whiny children threatening to go out on the lawn and eat worms.
Seriously, there’s not a chance of a snowball of any of them having the cojones to strike out on their own, let alone try to take a state out of the union. They do not have the chops.
Just for a moment though, suppose they did try in either TX or NH. Suppose they got as far as closing the border. About a minute after that happened, the first thing that would occur in the “new sovereign nation” is a civil war, a three way one in both. In NH, it would be between those who wanted to stay in the union, those who wanted to join Canada, and those who wanted “independence”. In TX, it would be unionists, Mexicanistas, and independencers. I would suspect that in both cases, the unionists would have either a majority or a strong plurality, and the manpower to force the border open again.
All of that disregards the fact that the Federal Government would come down on them like a ton of something really hard before they ever got out of the gate. The union may NOT be dissolved. The pack of witless dickheads discussing this apparently didn’t get the memo after the last round. The one that was finally delivered, received and understood at Appomattox.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:07 amSeriously, everyone I know wants them GONE. Can’t others states have a convention and vote for EXCISSION? Before we give them more money for something or other….
September 5th, 2009 at 12:08 am106. radhika says: Seriously, everyone I know wants them GONE. Can’t others states have a convention and vote for EXCISSION? Before we give them more money for something or other…. September 5th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Basically, they can’t unilaterally secede. Can we have a national referendum or have a resolution in the Senate that throws them out? Probably. There’s no precedent for it in law, but that happens now and then.
Personally, I don’t want the states where the neo-secessionists are amping up the noise level out. I’d just like the neo-secessionists to leave the country and allow the rest of us some peace and perhaps civiled discussion and argument.
They’re a distinct minority and no one is keeping them from going the frack away. They have as much right to be here as any other citizen, but they don’t have any more right than anyone else to be a constant nuisance and disturbance, and they certainly do NOT have the right of sedition. If they prefer a dictatorship of the right, there are a few still in existance, though they may not be congenial in the religious sense; Iran comes to mind, as do several other Arab and Gulf states. Most of them are firmly conservative and traditional in outlook. Surely there must be a nice psuedo-Christian dictatorship out there with the requisite jack-boot politics that they think they would enjoy.
September 5th, 2009 at 12:44 am@107. Sorry, second sentence in my second paragraph should have read “I’d just like the neo-secessionists to leave the country and allow the rest of us some peace and perhaps civilized discussion and argument.”
September 5th, 2009 at 12:46 amconservaTROLL
Why havent you killed yourself yet you lying, ignorant, brainwashed piece of filth? You are stupid beyond human comprehension and will never be anything but a burden on decent human beings until you do the right thing
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September 5th, 2009 at 4:32 amI’d like to see whether we could break the tie. Whether we could have a sovereign nation.
No. No, you can’t.
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Don in Texas says:
First of all, Rick Perry was wrong when he said that Texas reserved the right to secede from the Union when it became a state. The agreement was that Texas could divide itself into as many as five states with the approval of Congress
Not only that, but that agreement was invalidated when Texas did secede from the Union. When it was reintegrated, the original agreement was not re-established. Therefore, no such clause is presently in force.
September 5th, 2009 at 4:58 ami aint you says:
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September 5th, 2009 at 5:33 amThe tone of these remarks is that of a solid, incontrovertable bond of all other states, with Texas! In ancient times the ‘enemy’ designed strategies of divide-and-conquer; it that was is happening to our country? God bless us, America!!
September 5th, 2009 at 10:37 amNo way. If the southern kiddies figure it is time to move out, I’d help pack their bags. And change the locks on the doors.
September 5th, 2009 at 11:29 amHa ha! We’re all so civilized.
If you were back in 1776, you’d all be redcoats.
September 5th, 2009 at 11:51 amFrom what I have been hearing it’s only around 2% of the state population of Texas crying secession…amazing how much credence and press this tiny radical minority keeps getting.
Seems to me we should be blaming the radical right wing MEDIA that keeps propagating this noise more than the nut jobs themselves…
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September 5th, 2009 at 2:02 pm115. Alejandro says: … Ha ha! We’re all so civilized. If you were back in 1776, you’d all be redcoats. September 5th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Quit being an arse, Alejandro. I’m not advocating whispering into your fracking metrosexual frilly pink shirt sleeve.
In advocating civilized discussion I’m indicating a preference for argument and disputation based on fact, rather than rumor and hearsay. I don’t have a problem with people yelling and getting pissed, but I do have a problem with idiots yelling and getting pissed when their lies are pointed out.
As for redcoats, I’m a veteran, my family contains several generations of veterans, and we were here before 1776. Most of us, including myself, were volunteers; I was a volunteer when the Vietnam era draft was still running. Where were you?
September 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pmWalter,
This is a message from one African American to another: You will be one of the first to be ejected from one of these “secession states.” You are a tool and a fool if you think that by backing these dummies, you will be seen as one of them. The only position you’ll have in one of these states will be a token one. And, by the way, take Mikey Steele, Larry Elder, Dr. Fisher, Ron Christie, Ken Blackwell, and the other self-hating African Americans with you. Once you leave we do not want you back. Re-entry into the USA will be strictly prohibited. You and the rest of the tenthers can live well in a country where no one pays taxes, and there is no government. Enjoy your confederation. And KMAAA.
Signed,
September 5th, 2009 at 5:59 pmA Sane African American
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I notice you have never said any such thing to the cons who come here and disrespect us so I guess that means you ONLY want it to apply to liberals while you conservative punks continue to screw with us. Never, going, to happen
September 5th, 2009 at 7:48 pmbluesunflower says:
Not true. It also doesnt seem to apply to the conservative trolls like ConservaTROLL or Realitycheck. Perhaps YOU also think us liberals ought to just TAKE the abuse and not return it. Good luck with that. I am sure if you just keep being nice to these guys they will see the light, stop insulting and screwing with US and become posters who actually contribute to the conversation. Personally I think you have a better shot at the lottery
September 5th, 2009 at 7:51 pmAlejandro says:
You have a very BASIC misunderstanding of the dynamics here. That isnt suprising you seem to have basic misunderstadings of MOST things. If it was 1776 I like MOST liberals would be stauch supporters of the revolution it is the rightwing that would all be Tories and loyalists. Try to keep up
September 5th, 2009 at 7:53 pmI have been taken to task three times here. Not ONE person other than me apparantly thinks that Conservatroll who wrote THIS
Reading these blogs kinda blows the the idea that liberals care about blacks. I guess liberals only care about liberal blacks.
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I wonder why that is? Or do you people REALLY think that us liberals ought to take this kind of abuse to show how much better we are and how we as superior beings should take the high road? I just dont think that tactic has worked out that well for us the last couple of decades. Right now one of our biggest problems in congress is the way the Dems have no spine and WONT fight for what they believe in while the rightwing is willing to burn down the house to get their way. Its time for liberals to cowboy up. If you dont have the stomach for it fine but if you think criticising people like ME because I have had enough and am ready and willing to fight is in the lefts best interest you are morons.
September 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pmEugene,
I think that conguy and i-ain’t-(myself-today-so-i’m-here-to-annoy)-you are richly deserving of a smackdown, as are kwsventures, outlaw284, watchdog, and a couple of others.
I’m happy to help with the whack-a-troll chore when I’m not preaching at them.
I don’t think the preaching does any good. They aren’t really paying any attention to fact and argumentation. The whacking probably helps more; they like the attention and it may put a bit of a burr under their saddles.
I don’t know why conguy resorts to racist arguments here. I’m sure it impresses his fellow congregants at Our Lady of the Presumptuous Assumption or down at the local pub. Most of the liberals I’ve known over the years don’t restrict their good will to one group, although whatever stupidity they’re trying to fight at any moment may have a disproportionate effect on one group.
In fact, most of the liberals I’ve known are more interested in individuals they meet on a day to day basis than most conservatives; conservatives always seem to be playing some class or clique game and seem to try to jam people into categorical boxes. Which is exactly what conguy tried to pull with that blacks/liberal blacks BS line.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:43 amOh, yeah, Eugene, I’ll try to put more of an effort into flagging conguy and the other trolls for abuse a little more often. They usually deserve it.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:46 amThere are three federally recognized Indian tribes in Texas today.
I wonder what the First Nation People on their Reservations in Texas will have to say about Texas seceding – will they then secede from the seceded Texas.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pmI’d like to see if you can have a sovereign nation too. I’m sure there would be no taxes of course.Infrastructure and services….well they’re for communist’s and Marxist’s and socialist’s. Good luck with that.
September 7th, 2009 at 2:35 am