Van Jones Resigns
Van Jones Resigns
The AP reports that after weeks of constant attacks by the right wing, Van Jones has resigned as Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the Council on Environmental Quality. Below is the letter he sent to chair Nancy Sutley:
I am resigning my post at the Council on Environmental Quality, effective today.
On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me. They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.
I have been inundated with calls – from across the political spectrum – urging me to “stay and fight.”
But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.
It has been a great honor to serve my country and my President in this capacity. I thank everyone who has offered support and encouragement. I am proud to have been able to make a contribution to the clean energy future. I will continue to do so, in the months and years ahead.
On July 23rd, Glenn Beck began his crusade against Van Jones, calling him “a communist-anarchist radical.” He went on to rail against Jones approximately 20 times on Fox News in the past couple of months. Last Friday, Beck cited “former black nationalist, avowed communist Van Jones” as an example of “the true danger” of Obama’s “czars.” Prior to joining the administration, Jones had co-founded Color of Change, an organization that successfully convinced 57 advertisers to drop Beck’s program in just a matter of weeks after Beck called Obama a “racist.”
In recent days, Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) called on Jones to resign, and Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) called for a congressional hearing to investigate him.
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The Thugs on Hate Radio and Tevee have done it again.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:39 amThe thugs never leave – and continue to advance.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:41 amLet’s hope that this frees him up to carry on the battle in a different, stronger way. Those not in official positions may have more latitude to kick the crap out of these idiots.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:53 amAnd no doubt, yee haw will now go git it on w/ his sister to celebrate…
Er… make thati his mom… oh wait… they’re the same person…
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That’s unfortunate. I think Van Jones could have done a lot of good in implementing green policies that go further and deeper in society than industry handouts.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:01 ammk3872@2:
Oh, yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight; like Sarah Palin?
September 6th, 2009 at 1:02 amMr. Van Jones,
Don’t let the sh-t faced Repuglian liars chase you out. We need people with courage like yours to stay in the fray and fight! Don’t let the basta-ds win like this.
I am ashamed of the putrid foul degenerates above who cheer your leaving.
Typical Repuglicans, foul to the end.
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September 6th, 2009 at 1:22 amAnother victory by the Republicans…For once, can someone who is going to work for the Democrats stay and fight? This always happens when the Republicans try to gin up faux scandals…OMG boo hoo! Van Jones called the Republicans a-holes. Let’s investigate him! Bunch of whiny victims if you ask me…
Glenn Beck’s problems don’t go away because Van Jones leaves the White House. If God loved Glenn, he/she/it would have blessed him with an IQ that can draw a parallel and doesn’t see Communists behind every tree.
Usually when you start to see paranoid delusions in pieces of art, you get thrown into the mental hospital. Then again, Glenn’s health plan puts him in his psychobabble locale of choice, with the permanent revolving door.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:29 amWhen Republicans whine about something, you can’t validate them by giving in. Now I did not mean to cast the blame on Van Jones. He did what he felt was best for President Obama, but I wish there would have been more Democrats who stood up for him and called out the Republicans. What would have Senator Bond’s investigation focused on? The use of the word a-hole?
September 6th, 2009 at 1:31 amOkay Fox basically is a christian show that tells people to USE their guns if they need to. Then they say Van Jones is the devil. Remember folks he never ran for office, he was appointed. He doesn’t have the secret service either. He obviously quit because so many fox viewers were sending his death threats. Bullies and cowards all of them. Not worth getting lynched by rednecks.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:32 amOnce again we Democrats fold under pressure. Did any amount of pressure on Fredo or any of the members of the Bush Crime Family phase them? Not in the least. They stayed on. We always cave. Its so disgusting at times being a Democrat….but it sure as hell beats being a Repignofascist.
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AaronQ of Maine says:
Okay Fox basically is a christian show
The hemlines on those spokesmodels they call anchors and analysts sure aren’t very Christian. And I don’t remember the ladies at church being that young and blonde (in most cases). If anything, FOX News promotes the ideals of the Naked News Network, just with severe tease aspects for those who can’t afford or are afraid of naked bodies.
Done being a snark!
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People always confuse being religious and bible thumping with actually being moral. Fox does a lot of thumping, not so good with the morals, ya know, being a soulless corporation. Religion and ideology has achieved absolutely nothing for humans. Morals don’t come from a book and never from the TV.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:48 amWow, I did see this one coming. I just hope, despite his resignation, that Van Jones continues his fight for environmentally green jobs in this country. And yes, be prepared for the Sunday bobblehead shows and the media outlet to go on a media frenzy on Van Jones’ resignation and his contraversial remark about the GOP.
And I concur that the problems of Fox News and Beck will not go away despite they may feel that they won because they pushed Van Jones to resign. The glue to Fox News is corporate money and ads. But, I certainly look for Color of Change to go after Fox News in full force and their corporate ads. There will be alot of noise of the media and wingnuts of Van Jones’ departure but like I said, problems of Fox News and Beck are just the beginning.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:50 amCorrection: I did not see this one coming.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:51 amAnother spineless Democrat gone. Fixed Noise yells and Democrats run. Same old song and dance.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:54 amAs we see that Republicans can call our President and anyone any name they choose and either nothing is said or an apology is enough. Jones is gone and others will follow and soon as the country starts killing each other Obama will be removed from office and Rush Limbaugh will take over the White House. Rush’s plan would have worked as the United States will destroy itself. At lease the World knows just how dumb many of Americans are now. I lost faith when I watched over 300 people boo a woman in a wheele chair who needed help with health care as she is paying 320 week for meds. I saw Americans and how much we have really lost over the pass 8 years. We also are showing our kids that being disrespectful is ok and lying cheating and stealing is the new we we do things in America. Yes justify your crimes while hating your fellow American.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:56 amIt’s unfortunate that Van Jones quit. He’s a good and talented man who is worth an infinite number of Glenn Becks. He would have done a great job for the country.
It’s also unfortunate that Beck hasn’t choked on his own foul spittle, but that’s another subject entirely.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:58 amI did see this coming, when they brought up his signature on a petition for 9/11 Truth. Central to keeping the official myth alive is the stigmatizing of anyone who questions it.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:00 amWhile I’m on the subject: Fox, a christian station? Give me a break. Fox is a festering boil on the ass of America. Time to lance that sucker and solve the problem.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:01 amWell thats just great…..Glenn Beck has the power to “take out” a hand picked advisor to the president. Who’s next on Becks list? I cant beleive our president going to let Beck decide staffing? Van Jones let Beck run him out of office? I do not know of ANY ONE but the morons on Fox calling for him to quit while MILLIONS want him to stay………..this is very troubling.
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This is a tragedy for the American electorate. When a two bit media pimp can turn aside an effective soldier for individual rights, then this nation is in decline. Obama should decline the resignation. This nation is being destroyed from the
September 6th, 2009 at 2:29 amrightwrong.As disheartening as this is, it’s in the news for one day, as
opposed to being a daily news item if he stayed on.
What a shame though.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:34 amThis is temporary set back for Obama as Van Jones is a strong voice of green jobs. But, Beck and the media will keep stating that Van Jones is a czar. Van Jones was not a czar. Even his former employer, Eva Patterson, who first hired Van Jones as a legal intern and later as legal fellow.
In a Huffington Post article in August, she said this:
Beck has said repeatedly that Van is some kind of a mysterious “czar,” accountable to no one but the President. A simple Internet search shows that this claim is false. A March 10, 2009, press release announced that Van was hired by the Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality – to work on her staff as a “special advisor.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eva-paterson/glenn-becks-attack-on-van_b_271518.html
And of course, a special advisor, Van Jones’ position was created by Obama and did not need a Senate confirmation. According to White House Council on Environmental Quality website, here is the CEQ staff:
Chief of Staff: Jon Carson
Deputy Chief of Staff: Nikki Buffa
General Counsel: Ted Boling
Associate Directors
Land and Water Ecosystems: Mike Boots
Climate Change: Jason Bordoff
NEPA Oversight: Horst Greczmiel
Communications: Christine Glunz
Green Jobs: Van Jones
Legislative Affairs: Jessica Maher
Policy Outreach: Amy Salzman
Federal Environmental Executive: Michelle Moore
As you can see, there will another person hired in Van Jones’ position although I am sadden that he resigned. Van Jones is gone from the post but Obama’s agenda for green jobs is not going away. The question is who will fill Van Jones’ replacement?
GOP and wingnut attack dogs are out and will be out as long as Obama is President of the United States. I wish Van Jones the best and hope that his foundation that he laid out for green jobs continue. I had read an article that questioned where Van Jones will go since he is now unemployed. The idiot who wrote the article has forgotten that Van Jones has a J.D. degree.
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arco says:
Buh-bye to a hater. Van Jones is pure trash. Good riddance.
Oh yes, he called Republicans a-holes. He’s such a hater and a RACIST…
September 6th, 2009 at 4:02 amIt won’t bring Beckkks advertisers back and THAT is all that matters!
September 6th, 2009 at 4:04 amThe wingnuts are just going to draw another name out of a hat and start over with the imaginary attacks. If everybody they attack resigns, there won’t be anybody left.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:08 amThe only time I see Glenn Beck is when KO broadcasts Beck’s lies. Bill O’Reilly must be basking in the reduced exposure. Does False Noose have a multi-pronged plan? How many more fools can they hire? There are just so many Republican pols left!
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Van Jones has completely disavowed that petition his name appears on.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:35 amThis a war, not a battle.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:29 amThe piggies will get theirs in due time.
John Podesta believes in UFO cover up’s and “Rahmbo” is made into a legend by our opinion shaping media because he use to call republicans a88holes and send them dead fish. Some how we didn’t think that Van Jones would get the same support from his liberal white “friends.” And we all know why…
I wished the brother luck during the pending feeding frenzy but we knew this was coming. Coincidentally, this supposed “smoking gun” revelation about Van Jones comes to us courtesy of Fox News’ Glenn Beck! Lol. A man who should be put in a straight jacket and hauled of to an insane asylum. But that didn’t matter, right after they neutered Obama and Skip Gates and made them apoligize to a god damn racist pig cop in front of the whole country, they throw Van under the Bus because of some lunatic is reporting on the KKK Fox Network.
SMH
FYI MANY people have questions about the actions of the Bush World Bank (Paul Wolfowitz), the Bush White House (Libby/Chaney), Bush NSA (Michael Hayden), Bush CIA, Bush FBI, and the Bush Defense Dep.(Rummy) around the time of 9/11. That oil in Iraq and that pipeline they want to build running through Afghanistan -both lands controlled by people who are hostile towards US for past betrayals and refused to be manipulated by “the man” anymore- also raised some eyebrows. This is no secret, but they want to act as if these are questions that just pop up in the minds of people who belong to fringe groups.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:56 amClick on the link to check out the suspect list for 9/11… Just kidding (I think lol).
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
You’ll see a list of names on the bottom of the statement (and notice the neglect of Africa).
September 6th, 2009 at 7:04 amI agree–I wish Van had decided to stand and FIGHT these lousy, two-faced, hypocritical, pyschotic brownshirt mo—f—krs. I mean look at this vile garbage:
Inhofe said Obama wants to let terrorists loose and roam freely….
It’s beyond despicable. THEY are bringing guns to events. This an (un)civil, so far non-violent war….and when the democrats ALWAYS wuss out like they do–like Obama will do when he screws on healthcare (unless he grows a spine)….we will be raped again by ignorant fools on the right and their rightwing well-heeled puppet masters in the coprotocracy.
This IS war.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:35 amGlenn Beck may rue the day he set Van Jones free:
Van Jones Defeats Glenn Beck
As a private citizen Jones will not be constrained by diplomacy and the political fear of controversy. He will be able to speak with conviction and take aim at the real villains in our midst. Clearly Beck is afraid of Jones, hence the incessant coverage. But Beck has made a serious strategic error, because Jones is a far bigger threat to Beck outside of government than inside of it.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:40 amRepigs win nothing with this, Fake Noise doesn’t make any headway and Limpballs is still fat.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:46 amVan you don’t quit in the middle of a war. Do you know the history of you? Do you know that the people who built and traveled on the ‘underground railroad’ did not quit? If they had where would you now be?
I can’t believe that you would or could not saand up to Beck.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:21 amI hope Obama’s sees that cooperation with Republicans is useless. He should move out on his agenda and put the hammer down on the Democrats who are weak on supporting the agenda. This should be very instructive to him that “bi-partisanship” is does not exist.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:26 amIt’s kind of sad–Jones is out, but Vitter, Ensign, and Sanford are still in.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:27 amThe terrorists have won!
September 6th, 2009 at 9:19 amarco says:
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Buh-bye to a ni99er. Van Jones is pure ni99er. Good riddance ni99er.
Fixed.
Why are you such an America hating racist pile of muleshit?
September 6th, 2009 at 9:25 amI call on Mike Pence to resign for demagoguery, hypocrisy, and most especially for not working for the best interests of his constituents.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:26 amThe terrorists win again. :(
September 6th, 2009 at 9:28 amThis is too bad. I’m so tired of seeting Dems cave to political pressure. Van Jones resigns and Sanford is still SC governor.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:32 amI don’t think Glen Beck and the rest of his teabagging terrorist barrage from the GOP terrorist organization realize how much more dangerous Van Jones is outside of government than Van Jones is within it. They will find out the hard way and will fail. Their “success” for forcing him to resign is their biggest mistake. They will pay dearly for it.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 ami aint that bright says:
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that is one less ni99er we have to worry bout, too bad it had to take public humilty to remove him tough
You hate him simply because he’s black little racist troll. Admit it little racist.
Then leave the country you hate so much afterward little racist.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am#54 was fixed for accuracy.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:40 ami aint you says:
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yeee hawwww
What? There’s a KKK cross burning tonight? Hurry so you won’t be late for it little racist.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:46 ammk3872 says:
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Please kill yourself. Do the right thing.
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HOWARD DEAN ‘12
September 6th, 2009 at 10:04 amGeez, guys, if you’re giving up on Obama already, then what makes you so different from Jones? One little setback and you’re ready to throw in the towel? Here we have a president that is willing to listen as opposed to one who thinks he KNOWS what is best for us. If you’re waiting for Mr. (or Ms.) Perfect to come and rescue us, you’ve got a long wait. Use what you’ve got and fight for your beliefs. I’ve had it up to here with whiners who voted for a man and expected a saint.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:12 amSickening. Now Beck will be all puffed up, thinking he can browbeat the administration into submission. I hate it when crazy wins.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:16 amThus the Beast has been fed.
It is hungry for more.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:17 amAnd I really hate it when crazy and evil wins.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:18 amC’mon people, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t rail against convservatives who sign on to the “birther” movement and then expect conservatives not to get rail over someone in the Obama administration signing the “911 Truther” letter. Lesson to be learned here…never, ever sign anything unless you read it throughly, or don’t say you didn’t read it after you have been caught.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:18 amI think Jones made the best decision possible. He’s not irreplaceable, and you know the tenacity of the right wing when they’ve gotten their teeth into a moldy old sock of a made-up issue. They and their media allies can actually turn it into something damaging. That’s what was poised to happen here.
Van Jones did this nation a service just by getting 46 advertisers (or is it more by now) to abandon the Beck show, an achievement for which he was made a target by Beck, followed in close formation by other mindless right-wingers desperate to smear someone in the Obama administration.
Sure, there is a time to “fight fight fight” but one difference between right-wingers and sane people is that sane people also recognize there are times that call for tactical retreat, as well.
Oh, and Sarah Palin quitting doesn’t count as a “tactical retreat” — she’s doing it purely for selfish reasons. Being governor just wasn’t fun anymore, and she was looking at the big bucks on the table.
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what the sam hill is “waiting moderation?”
No bad words, no crimes…
WTF
September 6th, 2009 at 10:41 amWhen did the Mods become censors, too?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:45 amIs Glenn Beck a Baby-Raping Murderer?
he’s never denied it!
Van Jones mistake was imagining the rules for white guys applied to him as well.
Not! (Obviously)…
He thought that being on the winning team accorded some protection.
And it would have, had he been a black Puke. Look at Michael Steele.
But Jones is an (inferior) member of the “Inferior” wing of the Party of Privilege & Property. That’s the wing of the Poor and Colored Folks. The “Inferior” wing does NOT possess the dispensations accorded to the Superior wing, the wing of Whiteness and Cash. Winners or not, they are not permitted to speak ‘accurately’ about their opponents.
What, did Jones think he was a White man? Fool…
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tokin librul says:
When did the Mods become censors, too?
That message has invariably turned out to be the result of an autofilter, some kind of grannyware. The last time it happened to me, I had a couple of long quotations included and it’s possibly there was a trigger word, or some combination of rules that put me in moderation.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:11 ammsims2
September 6th, 2009 at 11:11 amLet’s explore this concept shall we? How about we start by your sharing your evidences. Please don’t start with one simple resignation as that shit happens in all administrations.
msims2 says:
blah blah blah
Nothing inept or thin-skinned about this, idiot. You’ve been around “conservatives” so long you don’t recognize real character when you see it. The selfish need to “win” is all that drives you and your ilk.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:13 amWhen did the Mods become censors, too?
September 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am—
I suppose that is still better than rockers.
“We are the mods, we are the mods, we are we are we are the mods”
Glenn Beck and the rest of the right-wing clowns will be crowing about it all week.
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I’m completely certain that Van Jones and his family were receiving serious death threats from the unhinged wingnuts.
Think about it, people. How many of us would be able to withstand that kind of terrorist theat? I’m not at all sure I could.
Remember, the Reichwing has no conscience, and they will go to *any* lengths to get what they want – all the way to terrorism and murder.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:22 amHe was forced to resign by a DEMOCRATIC WHITE HOUSE! Blaming the right won’t fly this time!
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September 6th, 2009 at 11:24 amMaking statements and defending statements are two different skill sets. Do you have the second toolbox?
Then why did you feel the need to bring it up?
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Obviously we are not. Why are you still clinging to your extremists who are actually condoning and advocating violence?
Get off of your high horse and do the right thing. Oh yeah, you don’t ever do the right thing do you?
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Campesino says:
Tried to warn you about this Friday, but you wouldn’t listen
With all this “tenther” and “birther” stuff, why are you ignoring the “Truther” working at the White House???
Do you think that constant repetition gives your opinions more (any) value? All that is being ignored here is you.
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It’s sad that the right wing has managed to turn merely questioning the accuracy of the official government version of what happened on 9/11 into a career-ending move. The fact of the matter is that the official version put out by the government cannot possibly be the truth. Too many lies, too many distortions, and too many glaring omissions of the actual truth.
The difference between being someone who wants the government to tell the truth about 9/11 and being a birther is that there is good reason to believe the government has not told us the truth about 9/11, while there is every reason to believe the birthers’ arguments have no serious foundation in reality.
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Campesino says:
This is really quite a story. Van Jones and his organization set up a boycott of Beck’s advertisers. End result of this action is that Beck has the highest ratings he’s ever had, Fox makes more money and Jones loses his job.
Wingnuts are much like herpes–difficult to eradicate. Interesting that you feel so much pride in the survival of a pustule like Beck.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:46 amCampesino says:
Do you think that constant repetition gives your opinions more (any) value?
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Value enough that Jones quit
Because of your opinion? You can’t even make a connection between his resignation and your obsession with 9/11.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:48 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Once again the Obama administration waffles under the hateful, paranoid rhetoric of the American Taliban. He should stop being so concerned about what the American Taliban thinks and says and start being more concerned with the progressives and what they are thinking and saying. He is looking more and more like a very weak President.
It’s time for President Obama to stand up to the idiots on the right! Ignore them and push the things you promised your supporters….Hope, change and real health care reform!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:52 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Facts are facts, the government lied to us after 3,000 Americans died. They lied to us about the Gulf Of Tonkin incident, they covered up the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
Now I don’t know if the government was in on or behind the 9/11 attacks (Wouldn’t surprise me) but I do know that they have gone way out of their way to cover up the colossal failures by the Bush administration, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA and the INS.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:58 amFrom Van Jones’s statement:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
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This is an irreplaceable man: A credible and arduous worker, glib and attractive, whose expertise included environmental, inner city and racial issues. I read a good New Yorker article about him not long ago.
Obama really should have talked him out of it.
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Campesino, what about gop crooks? They outnumber dem crooks like 80 to 1. Sucks to be you. We may stumble but you have fallen down and you can’t get up.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm9/11? History, maybe.
Settled? No way in Hell, Campy.
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Hey, Campesino, I beg to differ.
“I believe it’s all settled history”
And the key word here is believe.
As in: The official explanation of 9-11 beggars belief. As in it is incredible. Especially the story of WT7, the only steel-reinforced building in history to collapse from a fire. As in if Payne Williams tiny jet falling off course was enough to prompt a bevy of jet fighters TWENTY MINUTES LATER to accompany him all the way from Florida to drop into a field in Iowa, why were FOUR JUMBO JETLINERS allowed to drift off course for an hour or more?
Buuuuuuull-sh*t. It ain’t no conspiracy THEORY. It’s conspiracy FACT. I suppose you’re all cool with the Warren Report, too, eh? That’s ’settled history’. For loyal neocons and fascists, especially.
Until they whisper in the back room, of course.
Campesino, like any other neocon, you got nothin’, baby. Try selling crazy somewhere else. We’re all stocked up here.
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Campesino
gop less popular than bush and we all know how popular he is.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pmCampesino says:
Because of your opinion? You can’t even make a connection between his resignation and your obsession with 9/11.
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My opinions and others who agree.
No, no Jones was the one obsessed with 9/11, out signing petitions and stuff. I believe it’s all settled history
“Signing petition(s) and stuff” qualifies as obsession? Wow. Imagine if he’d actually voted on something.
His signature appeared on one letter, idiot. That hardly qualifies as “obsession”, at least not in RealityLand. The universe you seem to inhabit may, of course, be different.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Campesino, just to put things in perspective for you.
The gop has lost everything in a 6 month period they went from what they percieved as a permanent majority to what now appears to be a permanent minority and may be facing extintion as a party.
You come here and crow like a little banty rooster when one lower rung leader of the dem admin resigns even after he was successful. In fact, because he was so successful.
You are beneath contempt and are quite literally, pathetic.
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Campesino says:
9/11? History, maybe.
Settled? No way in Hell, Campy
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Knew this place was full of Truthers!
Yes, the response of one person proves the place is “full”. There really is no path for thoughts to enter that skull of yours, is there?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pmCampesino says:
His signature appeared on one letter, idiot. That hardly qualifies as “obsession”, at least not in RealityLand. The universe you seem to inhabit may, of course, be different.
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You really should read more
And helping organize a march
How exactly do you define “obsession”? Your fellow wingnuts have found his signature twice?
You really don’t know what the word means, do you? Since I’m confident you don’t actually own a dictionary, try using the computer to look it up for you.
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What I said was facts. The gop is in serious decline.
What you say is nothing more than wishful thinking. After all even if I accept that Obama’s approval rating is around 50% which I don’t, it is still way higher than the gop or bush’s ever was. You are pathetic and you are just a loser on the outside looking in as real Americans deal with the mess your party left.
Again, you are really just a pathetic sore loser. Did I say that you are pathetic?
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Someone seems to be suffering from the mistaken idea that what they keyboard matters in any real way. Wow…
September 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pmNow you’re just trying to be funny, right? I mean he went from 85 to 18% because of what?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pmCan I get a mathematical evidence of the truther presence? Saying shit and acting like that shit said matters do not make them true no matter how much you wish them to be
September 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pmCampesino says:
I doubt anyone here is ever going to deny that 15 Saudis flew hijacked jets into the Twin Towers and that resulted in the collapse of the buildings.
Some people have questions regarding why the Bush Administration failed to prevent the tragic events that occurred on September 11, @001.
Are you against investigating the ties that the Saudi Royal Family had with the terrorists? There are a lot of questions that have not been answered.
Are you going to deny that Bush politicized 911?
Do you deny that he used 911 to push for the war in Iraq?
People have questions that they feel have not been answered.Why are you afraid of the truth?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pmCampesino says:
Rense is a Bircher’s site and is in no way credible.
Hey Campy, does this make you a Bircher as well as a Paulbot?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pmCampesino says:
Uncle Fester Lurks says:
He is looking more and more like a very weak President.
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Not particularly competent either
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As opposed to who…George W. Bush? LMAO!
Just because I am critical and not presently happy with some of the things President Obama has or hasn’t done I would still rather have him as our President over ANY worthless, corporate owned republican.
See, the difference between you and many of us on the left is that we hold our party accountable, we will be critical of our party when they don’t represent the will of the people, unlike you and every other republican who marches in lock step with your miserable fascist party of hate and fear.
Let’s not forget what President Obama inherited from George W. Bush and a six year majority of a DO NOTHING republican house and senate.
1-Housing crisis.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm2-Banking/Financial crisis.
3-Economic crisis worse than the Great Depression.
4-Rising unemployment.
5-Record National Debt.
6-Record Foreign Debt.
7-Record Trade Deficit.
8-Two costly, unnecessary and failed wars.
9-Escalating hateful and divisive partisan politics.
10-Destroyed our country’s good image and reputation.
11-Torture.
12-Politicized Justice Department
13-Deregulation.
14-Under funded programs like No Child Left Behind.
15-The gutting of agencies like FEMA, FDA and the SEC.
Campy is a Ron Paul bot!?! LMAO!
Hey Campy, you should ask Ron Paul if he is so concerned for our constitution and country, why than does he continue to be a part of the republican party? Could it be that he is beholden to RNC money?
I will say I agree with a couple of Ron Paul’s ideas but in the end he is a student of Reaganomics which has proven to be a colossal failure. Ron Paul can be commended for starting his little r3volution but even still he has allowed it to be hijacked by the corporations and ultra far right extremists, so in my opinion, Ron Paul is a joke and a sell out.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pmWhy is it irrational to suspect that a fragile, tenuous regime, illegitimately installed, against the public will used lies, fear, and terror to launch a war of conquest designed mainly to enhance the political standing of the regime?
No. I don’t mean the Busheviks…I mean Putin, in Russia. We accept the possibility about the Russkis, but our own leaders get a pass.
Because they “wouldn’t do something like that?”
Codsawallop.
We don’t torture, either. Right?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pmUmm… maybe because fearfull (sic) is the default mode for right-wingers?
September 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pmVan Jones may be a good guy but his past statements and positions were too divisive for an administration that wants to appear inclusive.
Van Jones will be more effective for progressives outside the administration.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pmWhich demonstrates that Democrats and liberals were willing to get behind a president when the nation was in crisis, even though we disagreed with his policies and political philosophy.
One more difference between the Left and the Right.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pmVan Jones biggest problem was that he happened to be the founder of the organization whose boycott has cost Glen Beck over 50 sponsors.
Glen Beck is the darling of the Birchers and Paulbots, so they used their astro-turf network to smear Van Jones in retaliation.
Hopefully this will backfire on Beck and lead to an ever more widespread boycott of his show and ultimately Fox News.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
the wheels are already coming off.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm–
Again making claims in the absence of supporting evidence is indicitive of pretending. You don’t have anyone doing anything but I do have you avoiding me. Sucks to be over confident yet still afraid…
I can translate Campy’s troll-speak into English.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Kit Bond called for an investigation on Van Jones? Because he said all republicans are as*holes? He should have said they were all racist crackers.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pmGlenn Beck’s Next Target: Cass Sunstein
September 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pmBeck needs to be brought up on charges before the House UnAmerican Committee.
Oh, can’t do that.
Can we just send him to Gitmo?
September 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pmPhuck! We need blunt talkers in our government.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI hope Obama’s this blunt in his speach.
September 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Timmeh, is that really the best you can do?
Oh, wait… after recalling your previous efforts at contributing here, it seems that it probably IS the best you can do…
sorry ’bout that, Timmeh.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pmWell, even if we give you one. What was another to make this “one more”?
Shall we compare facists who have bitten the dust? rummy gonzo, ring any bells.
This guy is a lower rung leader who quit because he was right.
You are pathetic if you even claim this as a victory. Sad really.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pmTim43 says:
Tim, do you believe that Fascists and Nazis are left wing?
September 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pmCome to think of it Reggie, Cass Sunstein is a moderate-to-conservative type of guy (and just a couple of years ago did some academic analysis of the SCOTUS for fellow moderate/conservative John W. Dean’s excellent “Broken Government” book).
Interestingly, The Wonk Room did a piece on how allegedly “anti-regulation” he is, among other things in January when he was first nominated by Obama to be “Regulartory” czar.
I think Obama nominated him, not just for diversity’s sake in appointments but as a reward for successfully defending him against Matt Drudge-led lies and attacks during the ‘08 campaign – that’s how Robert Gibbs got his press secretary job, in my opinion.
In all, I think Glenn Beck will sadly find out soon enough how un-liberal and radical he really is – and then move on to his next target (maybe Mark Lloyd).
September 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pmHi Tim43
September 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pmWhat up?
Maybe this is best, we certainly don’t need any distractions while we are busy NOT getting meaningful Health Care Reform.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pmchucko33 says:
Here’s the hit list that’s going around conservative mailing lists:
Next: Jeff Jones. Mark Lloyd. Cass Sunstein. John Holdren.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pmpete. I think due to the relative balance of political forces, politicians (and those in government) are compelled to be diplomatic.
If they chose to forego efforts at diplomacy, their blunt talk or positions are used against them and act as a distraction in their efforts.
Blunt talk is refreshing. I just don’t think it is effective for building consensus or, at the least, pacifying critics.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pmbackup says:
Phuck! We need blunt talkers in our government.
pete. I think due to the relative balance of political forces, politicians (and those in government) are compelled to be diplomatic.
If they chose to forego efforts at diplomacy, their blunt talk or positions are used against them and act as a distraction in their efforts.
Blunt talk is refreshing. I just don’t think it is effective for building consensus or, at the least, pacifying critics.
“Building consensus” has been off the table since january 20th, backup. Republicans and “conservatives” have provided ample evidence that they have no interest in compromise, discussion or “consensus”, but only obstruction and diversion. At some point, civil discourse with vandals is not only useless it’s dangerous.
These are the same people who have been claiming that people in the Middle East only respect violence and power — as pure a case of projection as one could wish for.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhen he graduated law school, Jones gave up plans to take a job in Washington, D.C., and moved to San Francisco instead. He got involved with Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism. While with STORM, Jones actively began protesting police brutality.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pmkwsventures, and the entire gop is entrenched in the same activities on the opposite side of the spectrum.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pm80. Campesino says: Tried to warn you about this Friday, but you wouldn’t listen. With all this “tenther” and “birther” stuff, why are you ignoring the “Truther” working at the White House??? … Controversial Obama Administration Official Denies Being Part of 9/11 “Truther” Movement, Apologizes for Past Comments* A top environmental official of the Obama administration issued a statement Thursday apologizing … denying that he ever agreed with a 2004 petition on which his name appears, a petition calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York Attorney General into “evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.” Van Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, is Number 46 of the petitioners from the so-called “Truther” movement which suggests that people in the administration of President George W. Bush “may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.” September 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Well, golly, them “Truthers” certainly are a raggedy arse commie lot aren’t, sayin’ nasty stuff about Shrub and all.
Campy, we know a few things about what Shrub and his people did in the weeks and months before 9/11. What do you have to say about Shrub blowing off a National Security briefing that had some information about terrorists and terrorist cells in the US? A briefing that occured in August 2001? A briefing where Shrub told the briefer, in essence, to go away because he’d covered his butt? I think that counts as “deliberately ignoring” the message and blowing off the messenger.
There’s also the business where various and sundry folks in various and sundry agencies didn’t bother to follow up on leads about some Saudi operatives who were in country and taking fracking flying lessons. People who failed to pass on information about people of interest to counter-terrorist agencies being in country. They pretty much blew off the developing case around Moussavi until everything fell down.
Granted, some of that started before Shrub took office, but Shrub and DarthBarney Cheney didn’t bother to correct the situation in the national security agencies. Then when things did hit the fan, there seems to be some evidence that almost the first thing they wanted to do was go after Saddam Hussein; the only thing that prevented an immediate assault on Iraq was the overwhelming evidence of alQaeda being the source.
Given what the Shrubbery didn’t do and what they wanted to do before being dissuaded by reality, I think the Truthers have a point. Sure, Shrub, etc, may not have known about the plot, per se, but Shrub’s people also did their damnedest to not find out and to not follow up on the trail of crumbs leading to it.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pmgummitch. I just disagree. To me it’s the equivalent of deciding that we want to remove the beehive from the back yard. I get the baseball bat with the intention to smash the hive, so those bees understand it’s time to move on. My wife stops me and convinces me that maybe it’s a better idea to don some protecting clothing, pacify the bees with smoke and load the hive as gently as we can onto the back of our truck, so we can drive the hive into the woods.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pmkwsventures says:
Do you have any real evidence that Van Jones was in fact a “truther”?
btw: there isn’t any proof, but please make my day enjoyable by trying.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pmThe Middle East is a good example.
For years progressives have rightly complained that Bush’s heavy handed rhetoric towards the Middle East was counterproductive.
How is the adversarial relationship between the U.S. and the Middle East and between conservatives and progressives that different?
If it doesn’t make sense for the U.S. to use harsh rhetoric in dealing with the Middle East, why does it make sense for progressives to use harsh rhetoric when it deals with conservatives?
September 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pmbackup says:
gummitch. I just disagree. To me it’s the equivalent of deciding that we want to remove the beehive from the back yard. I get the baseball bat with the intention to smash the hive, so those bees understand it’s time to move on. My wife stops me and convinces me that maybe it’s a better idea to don some protecting clothing, pacify the bees with smoke and load the hive as gently as we can onto the back of our truck, so we can drive the hive into the woods.
That’s a silly analogy. If those bees had spent the last six months attacking your family (think African bees), slipping in to the house and stinging your children and your dog, building nests in your bedroom, you would be a fool not to call in an exterminator and gas them.
You can’t pacify mad dogs.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pmNow Van Jones is free to retaliate without any impediments. Good.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pmExactly right, gum.
Republicans have realized the danger to their brand that an energized, accomplished Obama presents. They are committed to taking him down at every opportunity.
Some of it is ideological, sure. But Obama is not wild-eyed liberal; he’s a moderate. He has governed like a moderate in difficult times, and STILL Republicans have neither sought nor found any common ground with him. Most of it, I think, is political.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pmThe reality is that the country is relatively evenly divided.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122693/Democratic-Advantage-Party-Affiliation-Shrinks.aspx
To enact progressive policies, Obama will need the support of independents and the pacification of republicans.
It’s going to be more difficult to achieve that if progressives resort to the baseball bat.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pmbackup says:
If it doesn’t make sense for the U.S. to use harsh rhetoric in dealing with the Middle East, why does it make sense for progressives to use harsh rhetoric when it deals with conservatives?
Because they don’t engage in a conversation, they lie and cheat and lie again. If the Republicans were willing to have a real discussion, your approach would make some sense, but they’ve had ample opportunity to do so and have only gotten farther and farther from “discussion”.
This administration needs more activists and fewer politicians.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pmgum, of course it’s a silly analogy.
That’s b-cup’s specialty here.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pmbackup says:
It’s not a bee hive. The problem here is the Republicans have become addicted to astro-turf talking points and no longer are able to deal with intelligent factual debate.
Look at what has happened here for the last two years, it has been well documented that many of the trolls that infest TP were sent here by Eric Odom.
Interesting coincidence, these same trolls went after Charles Johnson at LGF when his blog became center-right.
Another interesting coincidence is that Eric Odom is one of the leaders of the so called Tea Party Movement.
An even more interesting coincidence is that Eric Odom and and his minion Johnny Dollar (Mark Koldys) are both long time supporters of Ron Paul and have ties to the John Birch Society.
I have much much more, would you like to debate?
September 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pmThe thing is, B-kup, Mr. Jones is not a politician. His position was as an adviser and, as such, candor and bluntness were, IMO, good qualities. While I wish he had found a way to stay, one has to admire a person who will surrender the ear of the President rather than change his views or style.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pmgummitch. That’s a pretty good response. I understand what you’re saying.
I think the reason people don’t like politicians are because the are diplomatic. They try to be all things to all people. They are not blunt.
But, the reason they are diplomatic, is because that’s how they get things done. That’s how they are effective and that’s how they succeed.
Nobody likes it. But, that’s the reality.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pmb-cup, the idea that Republicans can be “pacified” to the point that any progressive legislation can be enacted is like the horizon; it’s always out there, but destined to never be reached.
But good luck with it. I just hope the President realizes that your approach is a recipe for futility, and reaches for the baseball bat.
And I have a feeling that if the President does that, those number trends you cited will reverse themselves. If Obama becomes the leader we all hoped he would be, and Democrats can energize themselves and actually accomplish some meaningful things, you will see a return to the numbers of a few months ago.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pmpete. The good news for progressives is that Van Jones isn’t going away. Many people have better potential doing what they do, outside the scrutiny of public office.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pmb-cup is in full on b-cup mode today.
People don’t like politicians because THEY LIE. And because they serve their donors before they serve their constituents. And because they pretend otherwise.
Since when is being “diplomatic” a turn-off?
September 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pmLet me take a crack at this:
perhaps the answer lies in the relative approaches.
In the past eight years, the US has used “harsh rhetoric” in the Middle East and that tactic has failed. Time to try something else.
Conversely, Democrats have using the opposite approach with Republicans — trying to be diplomatic, seeking common ground, seeking that elusive
“bipartisanship”.
THAT has failed. Republicans have made clear that, to them, “bipartisanship” means “do it our way and nobody gets hurt”.
Time to try something else. I’d prefer simply marginalizing them, treating them as if they didn’t matter. But “harsh rhetoric” is another way to go.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pmralph. I agree with you and gummitch that republicans can’t be completely or even significantly pacified. (Although independents can be swayed).
I’ll use Van Jones to make my point. He’s a smart guy with good progressive ideas.
It was because of his blunt talk that the administration was somewhat distracted from doing what it wanted to do.
It was because of his blunt talk that he was distracted from his goals and compelled to resign.
It was because of his blunt talk that conservatives were energized and motivated in opposition.
If he had not engaged in the blunt talk. He arguably would still be the green jobs czar, promoting and enacting progressive policies that he believed in. Moving the administrations platform forward.
It’s not right or wrong. It’s political reality.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pmralph. I think I see what you are saying.
For example, at some point in the 30’s and 40’s, efforts at diplomacy were the wrong tactic to use against Hitler. At some point, you won’t get more with sugar than vinegar.
I just think we aren’t in that circumstance. I think that the Obama administration can get more of what it wants, if it attempts to patiently educate or persuade it’s conservative opponents.
Even if they don’t pacify the conservatives, I think their attempts will convince independents that the progressives are the adult supervision and they will more likely stay in camp.
September 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pmAfter nine months of diplomacy and bipartisanship by the Obama Administration, and having nothing to show for all the compromising, it has been proven that Republicans put politics and party before country.
It may be time to take the gloves off and start to give them back some of what they have been giving.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pmbackup:
Did you read comment 157?
September 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pmIt’s a moot point, B-kup. At this stage the Dems can’t say anything as damaging as the tripe comming from the Reichwhiners.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pmReggie. I just read your comment at #157. I think you’re giving too much credit to Eric Odom. And although I dig TP, whatever is going on with the Tea Party Movement is bigger than Odom and TP.
I don’t have time to debate. (got to split). But, I am interested in the Odom/Paul connection.
What’s the deal?
September 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pmIt is obvious that Fox news and the republican party are pulling every dirty trick they can think of. If they succeed in this endeavor look for 3 1/2 year more of these tactics.
For phuck’s sake, they are stirring up hatred and fear over the President of the United States giving a speech to children to encourage them to do better in school.
Where is Rhambo now? I want to see this administration take some action on this, there are a lot of dead fish that need to be sent.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pmOMG! What could he have said to compete with the unpatriot, dishonest, lies of the reichwingnut fringe? They must have a picture of him with somebody.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pmpete. I think in the long run, the demagoguery will hurt conservatives.
I think if progressives try to keep the high ground, it will eventually pay off.
I’m not talking about compromise. I’m saying that rhetoric, like Van Jones’s, is counterproductive.
Progressives can be uncompromising, and still maintain the high ground, by simply avoiding the rhetoric.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:16 pmThe conservatives were not energized by his blunt talk, that is bull $hit. Van Johnson became a target because Color of Change had a very successful campaign to have sponsors remove their advertising from Beck’s show.
Beck is part of the lunatic far right wing fringe and is the darling of the tea-baggers, Birchers and Paulbots.
Do you have any proof that Van Jones has ever been quoted saying or writing anything even remotely implying he was a “truther”?
September 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pmWhat Van Jones did was not rhetoric. Those sponsors could have ignored him. It was wrong and many agree, that’s why Jones was right and that is why this is happening, period.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:20 pmNo shit Einstein, its time to open your eyes and see how large this astro-turf machine has become. What happens here is just the tip of the iceberg.
Too bad you have to run away, I have pages and pages of documentation that I am dying to finally get a chance to post.
Maybe if you grow a pair, we’ll have a little debate.
Try using turpentine on that yellow streak that is running down your back.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:26 pmReggie, you seriously aren’t questioning the fact that Van Jones signed onto the 9/11 Truther petition are you? He’s already admitted to it (though ONLY NOW says he didn’t know what he was signing on to – the “inside job” part – which is hard to believe). That makes him a “Truther” IMO.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pmNot sure if you guy realize just how comical this “voting down comments” system is. It confirms what we long suspected: you guys are sitting around with your fingers in your ears screaming, “I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!”
September 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pmchucko33 says:
What is in question is what did he sign. It has been documented that several of the individuals on that petition were misled as to what the petition was about.
There are four who have gone on record this week as saying they were under the impression that the petition dealt with investigating further the events of 911 but all four believed that hijacked planes brought down the towers.
There is one person on that list who has been fighting to get her name removed because she claimed she never signed onto it at all.
If you want, I can look up the names and post them on your blog when I have the time.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pmPotfry, what’s comical is watching you squirm in your helplessness and urine.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pmchucko33 says:
What I was stating is that other than that questionable petition, there has been nobody who has been able to find one instance where Van Jones has ever been on the record denying that hijacked jets brought down the Twin Towers.
Charles Johnson at LGF has gone on the record as stating that there is no evidence that Van Jones is a “truther”.
If a Conservative blogger with his credentials makes that claim, I tend to believe that there is nothing out there that shows Van Jones is a “truther.”
September 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pmTruthers = Paranoid Schizophrenic, Simple as that.
If they would actually use just a tad bit of Logic and think about how many people and different agency’s would have to be involved in this 9/11 cover up. Thousands and thousands of people and different agency’s. How ignorant do to have to be to believe our government is this competent.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:49 pmcompetent enough to torture
competent enough to lie us into a war of choice
competent enough to politicize the attorney generals office
need I continue?
September 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pmWatchdog says:
Nobody here is questioning whether or not hijacked planes brought down the twin towers.
Go back to Troll Central and get some fresh talking points.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pmFred says:
You are a complete idiot if you believe 9/11 was an inside job.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pmReggie. post them. I’ve got stuff to do, but I promise I’ll check back in.
If the information you have is compelling to me, I’ll concede it.
I’m interested to know what you are talking about.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pmYou are a complete idiot if you think I care what you think.
I only addressed your competency disclaimer. I see you aren’t ingelligent enough to know that let alone answer to it.
Idiots don’t answer the question and only call someone an idiot for something they didn’t even say.
you are an idiot.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pmYou definitely would know.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pmbackup says
I don’t play by your troll rules, you put up or STFU!
Here kitty…kitty…kitty…kitty…
September 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pmPotfry says:
Not sure if you guy realize just how comical this “voting down comments” system is. It confirms what we long suspected: you guys are sitting around with your fingers in your ears screaming, “I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!”
It’s useful for cutting down on the complete gibberish from trolls, because the mods here don’t resort to the standard wingnut blog approach and immediately ban dissent. I mean, look, here you are and no one has cut you off at the IP address.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pmWatchdog says:
Tell Twajie and the rest of the deranged dunces at the deuce that time is running out…..tick…tick…tick….
September 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pmanswer the question dawg. were they competent enough to do the things I mentioned or not?
And if they are why would they not be competent enough to do just about anything?
We never said bush was incompetent. We just said he was anti-American.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pmI find it quite amusing when there is only one troll and you cross him and you wind up with….wait for it…..1 vote down.
priceless.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pmUnfortunately it is a waste of time to ban by IP address, if they’re using a DSL, the trolls can reset the modem and acquire a new address.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:06 pmI’ve misplaced the link to the statement but it makes no accusations or assertions of guilt. While it does cite a poll about people who are, in fact, “truthers” the statement itself was simply a call for independent investigation.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pmI didn’t vote for Neville Chamberlain. Did you?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pmYou are a racist scum. the last line in your linked blogpost is inexcusable.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pmOkay, Reggie. You make an assertion and I agree to hear it. Then you tell me to put up or shut up.
What exactly do you expect me to put up when it’s your assertion?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pmbackup says:
You seem to deny that there is a well funded astro-turf “machine”. Do you troll other blogs or is Think Progress the only one?
If you read Huffington Post, TPM, the Plumline, Firedoglake or Little green Footballs you would know all about this phony astroturf machine that is being exploited by the right.
You would also know that the John Birch Society and Ron Paul supporters are beind a lot of this phony information being spewed on the net.
Do you deny that the Tea Party Movement is actually funded by major corporations and lobbyists?
Do you believe that it is really a grassroots movement?
Do you deny that the self proclaimed founder of the Tea Party Movement is Eric Odom of the America Liberty Alliance?
Do you deny that Eric Odom’s Fresh Vision Media LLC owned Think Progress Watch and Odom personally posted the first two threads on that blog?
Did you know that Olbermann Watch was at one time listed on Fresh Vision Media’s home page as being their property?
September 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pmbackup says:
Your concern troll act isn’t going to work today, I have online backup on the right waiting to give me a hand if I need it.
Be careful, this might be painful!
September 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pmReggie. I don’t deny there is a well funded ‘astroturf’ effort.
If you have a post from me today that suggests otherwise, I’ll take a look at it.
I think my point has been that Van Jones’s rhetoric made it harder for the administration to accomplish it’s goals.
I agree with whoever thought it was appropriate for Van Jones to resign; whether it was Van Jones himself or the administration.
I’ve also made the point that similar rhetoric is counterproductive.
I don’t think my position is that controversial, because it seems to be the position of the administration.
If you believe and have proof that their is a well funded fake grassroot campaign going on to discredit the President, I would agree with you.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pmb cup:
Do you have any proof that Van Jones has ever gone on record even once making a claim that hijacked jets were not responsible for downing the twin towers?
Did you know that Van Jones was behind the Green Jobs Act which George W. Bush signed into law?
The only reason Van Jones became an issue is because he founded Color of Change and they had a successful campaign to remove sponsors from becks TV show.
He was very qualified, well educated and respected by many world wide.
Source: Little Green Footballs
So what’s your beef with Van Jones, is it because he was uppity?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pmReggie. I’ve gone back to try to figure out what you are getting at and saw this from #164:
The opposition I am talking to here is opposition to Van Jones. Not opposition to Obama in general.
If you take another look at #164, I hope you’ll see what I was getting at. My apologies if there was any confusion.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:01 pmVan Jones is probably cool. Here’s my original post from today (at #124):
Regardless of what I think, either the administration or Van Jones thought it was in the best interest of the administration for him to resign.
I agree with that decision.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThat is bull $hit.
His crime was that the organization he founded (Color of Change) cost Glen Beck and the Antichrist Rupert Murdock sponsors.
If he was so controversial why did G W Bush sign into law the Green Jobs Act that Van Jones helped write?
If he was so controversial why did he not attract any attention until the sponsors started to leave Beck’s show?
B cup, you have a well documented history of supporting racists on this blog, don’t make me open Troll Buster’s notes!
This whole controversy was manufactured by the astro-turfers and supported by racists like you.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pmbacked-up says
Van Jones may be a good guy but….
You are hilarious Captain Mantastic but you concern troll act is getting boring.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pmVan Jones was the MOST QUALIFIED man for the job and he was taken down by a bunch of bithers, racists, Birchers and Paulbots
September 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pmWell, bye.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pmconservative guy:
Boo!
September 6th, 2009 at 5:33 pmIt been half an hour since our concern troll last posted.
I am going to wager that he isn’t backed up any more and he left to change his soiled undies.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pmVan Jones was self proclaimed Communist and proud of it. What green job did he create with the $30 billion he was trusted with ?
All Glen Beck did was play Van Jones in his own words from recent speeches.
Don’t you people see what this President is doing to us ?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:48 pmHows that boycott working out for ya? Good riddance to the mental unstable.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:50 pmNow lets get that jacka$$ Rep. Charles Rangel out next.
I don’t know about the rest of the $30 billion, or how much he actually controlled, it but they are starting the subsidized construction on a wind farm a few miles from my home.
As for what “this President is doing to this country” mostly what I see is him surrounding himself with smart motivated people instead of political lackeys. And that’s not to mention all the other things a majority of the country’s voters asked him to do. Mostly though, he has returned a certain amount of integrity to the office and shown an ability to make real-time decisions based on real-world events.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Storm Sewer says:
There have been over 50 sponsors who decided that Glen becks show does not reflect their views and they have removed sponsorship from his program.
In my book I would judge that as being very successful.
September 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pmSTORM sewer says:
Why was he not qualified?
September 6th, 2009 at 5:58 pm…
Jones’ Resignation Could Embolden Administration Critics
FOXNews
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COULD?
fook off all you traitors of the people… media enablers too…
damn… that’s too bad… haven’t studied the situation yet,
but it was disappointing to learn he/they caved so soon…
the crazy right needs a good ol’ one finger salute from the
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
… come wednesday, i just may want my money back… i really hope not…
September 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pmReggie says:
Why was he not qualified?
Becky told him he’s a communist. Funny thing though. Even if it’s strictly true I’ve never seen anything in the Constitution that prevents a communist, or any other “…ist”, from advising a President.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:02 pmReggie, I preface this by again stating that whether Van Jones was a real or a “misled” 9/11 Truther petition signer doesn’t matter to me, there had to be better choices for the Green Jobs czar. But based on the following link, Jones may indeed have been misled like you said. However, this Little Green Footballs article doesn’t defend or support his cause, just points out that he may indeed be telling the truth – that he was signing onto a 9/11 investigation, not a conspiracy – and that the Truthers lied and misled signatories by not revealing the petition’s real intent.
Here it is: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34594_Truther_Document_Signatories_Say_They_Were_Misled
September 6th, 2009 at 6:14 pmReggie. You claim that I’m a racist or partisan for agreeing with the resignation.
Okay. You seem to be missing the point that either Van Jones or the administration also thought it was a good idea.
Are they also racist and/or partisan?
Perhaps, they see the same thing that I do. Jones’s past statements and positions hinders the President’s agenda.
I’m not getting why you are objecting to me, when really all I am doing is agreeing with the decision that was made by either Jones or the Obama administration.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:19 pmchucko33 says:
There have been several threads at Little Green Footballs this weekend and my comment 201 included a quote from Mr. Johnson posted today.
From my interaction with Charles, I am under the impression that he does not question Van Jones’ qualifications. The only issues Johnson appears to have with Van Jones were his controversial past relationships with what he considered far left organizations.
Charles Johnson: Little green Footballs
September 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pmBacked up says:
Not true Captain Mantastic, I am stating a well proven fact when I call you a racist, it has nothing to do with you agreeing with the resignation.
Van Jones wasn’t controversial until Glenn beck started to lose sponsors. The so called controversy was manufactured by the far right spin machine in retaliation.
Do you believe that is it just a coincidence that Van Jones wasn’t an issue until Beck started to cry foul?
You’re not going to win this one Captain Mantastic, there is no way you can deny your racist past.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI’m not really concerned with proving anything to you today, Reggie. You’re loaded for bear. I hope you find one.
I also hope you can explain to me why the administration or Jones would think a resignation would be prudent without grounds.
Otherwise, I may start to confuse your bluster with a lack of competence.
September 6th, 2009 at 6:56 pmI’m not really concerned with proving anything to you today, Reggie. You’re loaded for bear
Uh huh, loaded for bear and all that I have got to hunt was a disingenuous intellectually dishonest racist concern troll.
It makes me sorry that I didn’t accept the invitation to lend a hand whacking trolls on the Olbermann thread at LGF.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:09 pmReggie. I’ve got to split. I can honestly say I don’t understand what you’re getting at.
Here’s a video of how it seemed to go from my end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4&feature=related
Catch you next time, Black Knight.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pmbacked-up says:
Black Night???
Project much, Captain Mantastic?
September 6th, 2009 at 7:22 pm[...] While with STORM, Jones actively began protesting police brutality.[11]
the nerve… check out this guy’s wiki bio… what a slacker…
(*total snark.)
[...] one month prior to his White House appointment. [36] Responding to a question on why Democrats are having trouble moving their initiatives through Congress while Republicans seemed to be more successful when they were in control, Jones replied,
need lots MORE of him, not one less…
September 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pmupon further reflection of this:
I have been inundated with calls – from across the political spectrum – urging me to “stay and fight.”
But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.
ok. i get it. … if you say so… and it’s true…
but the beckheads still got a win…
and i hate that…
September 6th, 2009 at 8:58 pmGlenn Beck: conspiracies, President Obama and Van Jones
September 6th, 2009 at 9:08 pmSan Francisco Chronicle – ?20 minutes ago?
47% of America voted for John McCain so it is fair to say that Fox cable news and the right wing’s agent provocateur Glenn Beck has a lot of fans many of whom are definitely in the ultra-right wing camp.
Video: Obama ‘Green Jobs Czar’ Quits Amid Controversy The Associated Press
Glenn Beck’s victory for conservative America Kansas City Star
Politico – Los Angeles Times – FOXNews – Wikipedia: Van Jones
all 1,432 news articles »
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=us&ncl=dn9–yF04e1sH9M87zpkk4FNIZgLM&topic=h
Johnson quits, but Sanford governor of S. C. and Ensign and Ensign, senator of Nevada stay at their post after what they’ve done.
Johnson folded under pressure – just what the right wing want.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:19 pmOutlaw:
According to his profile at Wikipedia, Van Jones position was that of an adviser, that means he was not a Czar.
Van Jones is an environmental advocate, civil rights activist, attorney and author,who served for several months in 2009 as Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality
September 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pmoops:
Comment 230 was intended for the van Jones thread upstairs.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:09 pmYou guys have this big thing for censorship here. Must make you feel all big and strong
It took the Republicans 12 years to lose power after taking control of Congress. Not quite 9 months after Obama’s inauguration the wheels are already coming off.
Now that I’ve got your heads all aspin and you’re chasing your Truther tails, I’m off to the ball game. Ta ta
September 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pmIt appears Karl Marx has left the building.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pmCampesino says
kwsventures says:
Grow up and accept the fact that an African American is President of the United States of America.
Why do you Birchers and Paulbots hate your country?
September 7th, 2009 at 7:28 pmCampesino says:
God you are stupid. I dont know what any of this has to do with censorship but you brainwashed morons just spew out random talking points so that was probably what floated to the top of that sump you have since you have no brain. You can regurgitate what Rush told you to think all day. It wont make it true.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:34 pmkwsventures says:
You are a liar a fool, an ignorant punkass troll and a worthless pile of dogshit
September 7th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThank you for your sharing.!
September 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm