Kingston Claims Health System Worked ‘Very Well’ For Bankrupt Cancer Survivor Without Insurance
Kingston Claims Health System Worked ‘Very Well’ For Bankrupt Cancer Survivor Without Insurance
At a recent town hall held by Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), an elderly gentleman named Jim Parker stood up and told the congressman that he was recently treated for colon cancer. “I did not have insurance,” he said, because “things didn’t quite work out” after he started his own business. Parker informed Kingston that “a friend of mine was in the same position, and we buried him last January.”
Kingston responded by telling the man that “you did do very well” because he was able to get treated when he arrived at the hospital. Parker responded, “I am functionally bankrupt!” Kingston cut him off and reiterated his point:
But you did get coverage. You didn’t get the insurance, but they won’t turn you down at the door. And we do need to focus on people like you. However, here’s the problem: among other things, in countries that have socialized medicine, you have longer waiting lines, you have bureaucracy…it does lead to rationing.
Watch it:
Kingston’s argument is a familiar conservative trope. In July 2007, President Bush claimed that “people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
Of course, just going “to an emergency room” is what drives up health care costs for all Americans. “Access to emergency room care is not the same as access to comprehensive, coordinated, and timely health care services—the kind of care that coverage facilitates.” And as the town hall attendee noted, without insurance, a hospital visit commonly leaves Americans bankrupt.
Kingston has been telling the media that the August town halls have helped to defeat Obama’s health care plan. And he recently told Politico that the GOP is “going to keep the nightmare going through the fall.” A nightmare all too real for people like Jim Parker.
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September 7th, 2009 at 3:03 pmthe compasionate cancervative “always look on the bright side” philosophy…hey, you may be bankrupt, living under a bridge but you got treated and i got my payoff from the insurance companies to keep things the way they are. it’s a win-win.
Yep, you got taken care of but now you’re bankrupt. So?
As for your friend, he didn’t have anything to sell.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:03 pmOne of my friends pays about $1600 a month plus out-of-pocket expenses for family health insurance. He’s a self-employed small businessman. His wife was struck in a hit-and-run, the hospital bill was about $35,000 and the insurance company found a way to not pay for $25,000 of the bill. This is probably going to bankrupt his struggling family.
I’d like ANY conservative or corporate apologist to explain how this system makes any sense at all.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pmKingston is such a putz! he’s morally bankrupt
September 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pmRepublicans talk as if no one has to actually pay for those ER visits.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pmRep. Kingston and President Bush are the one’s the parents want their kids to listen to and follow. No need to read, write or learn because children can follow what Bush calls Bushism. Just think of an America with Sarah Palin as President as she get’s her news off of Starbucks cup. Yes if President Obama’s Health Care Program doesn’t pass, many seniors will not get to vote in 2012 as they will see just what Republicans plan was. Right now we learning more about how America has many selling body parts what’s next? We have seen how perverts raped and killed kids over the years and were protected because they had money or were in powerful positions. The Movie Game might not be that far away as we saw what happens with the Republican Plan.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:20 pmYup. There ya go. The idea of healthcare in the conservative mind: the rich get health CARE and the poor just go to the ER when they’re sick.
Great! AND we can ALL pick-up the tab from the ER care bill in the end … WONDERFUL!
September 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pmRep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) is proof positive that stupidity is alive and growing strong in Georgia.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pm“Kingston Claims Health System Worked ‘Very Well’ For Bankrupt Cancer Survivor Without Insurance”
In plain english in Kingston’s world of Planet Wingnuttia: Regardless if you go bankrupt, go homeless, lose your shirt and all of your assets, etc., with insurance or without insurance, the health system works. And only in United Snakes of Moronica: Land of the thieves, home of the slaves. Stay classy, Jack.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pmBy God, Kingston has the solution to the health care crisis in this country!
We should all forego health insurance, and just go to the emergency room when we need medical care. Then, don’t pay the charges; when they go into collections, DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!
Those of us who are healthy will save a bundle by not paying insurance premiums. Those of us who get sick will get our medical care free of charge! We’ll have the best possible medical care in the world, absolutely free!
Woo-hoo, hee-hee, they’re coming to take me away, ha-ha, they’re coming to take me away….
September 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pmSo the Republican “plan” is to obstruct any Democratic efforts to fix George Bush’s very Republican mess? How is obstruction going to lower my health insurance premiums Mr. Republican?
September 7th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThe repugs like to talk about getting treated at the ER .
September 7th, 2009 at 3:39 pmWhat they fail to tell people is if your condition is serious and you need to follow up with a specialist and you have no insurance,then your screwed. I challenge any wingnut to call up an orthepedic surgeon and tell them you need surgery. Their first question will be, what kind of insurance do you have? Then tell them that you dont have insurance. I guarantee you will not be seeing the surgeon. If you dont have insurance and you are diagnosed with cancer, that is a death sentence. The repugs just dont give a sht. They have theirs, so screw you.
Well, I only hope his surgery removed he entire cancer because there is no way he is going to get chemotherapy without insurance. Unless, he has any money. Which I am sure is gone after the surgery.
Another commenter stated that the republicans seem to think no one is paying for all of these uninsured ER visits. If the teabaggers think ER visits are free then they should all take themselves off of any insurance.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pmSomething to do with waiting in a line..
September 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pmI think that Kingston has got a very workable plan there…to keep the nightmare going through the fall. With an attitude like the one he showed to Jim Parker, more and more people are seeing the “compassion” that these Republicans have for the general public, then Republicans will end up with a permanent Republican minority — which is their greatest fear.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pmFunny that everytime I go to the doctor, even with an appointment, that was paid for by moi, I wait in the waiting room for an hour or more every time.
And if you think an ER doesnt have lines, this guy Kingston should visit an ER room in a major city and see how long people, bleeding and broken, wait, hours on end, to be seen.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pmNotice that every reform these clods come up with enriches private investors? Costs are never going to come down because these arco-ists think rising prices [inflation] is just peachy keen wealth creation.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pmThere was a story in the newspaper last week of a wife who had to divorce her husband of 35+ years in order that she could have him declared bankrupt so that he could get health care coverage, otherwise, it would take every cent the couple had for his care. They still live together and she still cares for him and his condition, but they are legally divorced.
How crazy is that?
I’d like the party of “Family values” to explain to me how this is a good deal?
September 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pmShorter Kingston: Its good that people go bankrupt from medical debt. Its why we need more private for profit health insurance.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:52 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think the republicans realize they are empty of ideas and they will fade into obscurity if they can’t eviserate President Obama. This is the Republican waterloo, not Obama’s.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The only times that I didn’t have to wait at the ER were when I arrived in an ambulance.
So I guess Kingston would probably tell people to take an ambulance to the ER to avoid waiting in line…
September 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pmBankrupcies are bad for the economy. Half of all bankrupcies are healthcare related and most of THOSE people had health insurance. We need to make it so there are NO healthcare related bankrupcies.
September 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pmThats called the unconstitutional federal [private] reserve that keeps taxpayers on the hook forever
September 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pmkwsventures, how noble of you to suggest that the victim should answer questions. You wouldn’t want them to get away with anything would you?
People like you are evil. I just can’t get that out of my head now days. You are just evil.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pmRep. Jackass (R-GA)
September 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pmDr Venture you are a sad joke. You cite another of your biased market sites. That DOESNT mean medical bankrupcies are a myth. Just that YOU are so stupid and brainwashed that you believe what you WANT to believe and seek out biased sources to back up your stupid
September 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pmkwsventures, you cite an investment firm on whether this is a myth and you want to be taken seriously?
You are evil.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pmkwsventures says:
The medical bankruptcy myth. No, the world is not ending anytime soon. Not even close. Just lots of hype.
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/07/30/the_medical_bankruptcy_myth_97335.html
September 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Jeez, the article must be correct, because someone from the American Enterprise Institute says so. (eyes rolling)
September 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pmRepublicans like to claim that the United States has the best health care system in the world. The only way possible that this makes any sense to me is if you measure “best” by how profitable it is. To Republicans, profitable is good; not profitable is bad.
But then they also like to confuse people by claiming that everybody in this country has “access” to health care just by going to the Emergency Room. Apart from the fact that ERs are not designed to act as walk-in clinics, it also ignores the fact that not all Americans have access to high-quality health care unless they have money to pay for it (or unless someone else is paying for it.)
It’s apparent to me that the only people fighting against any kind of meaningful health care reform in this country are the ones more concerned with protecting profits than they are with making sure our citizens are healthy. And that includes Congressman Kingston and most of the Republican Members of Congress.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm.
You want “RATIONING”…
… Join an HMO!
You want “DEATH PANELS”…
… Go get private insurance.
You want “BANKRUPTCY”…
… Go get sick!
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:05 pmKingston’s argument is a familiar conservative trope. In July 2007, President Bush claimed that “people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
The really stupid part of this concept is that they suggest the emergency room for uninsured patients as if it were that facility’s intended use.
How fu(king stupid is that?
September 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pman American Enterprise Institute research fellow and another witness in the hearing, told me in a telephone conversation
The problem with the realclear article [linked above], they listened to AEI, the neo-con livery of noble liars.
As for the Bush politicized DOJ doing a non-partisan study of bankruptcy — PASS
September 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pmAh, yes. The old “so this is working very well for them” thing.
Do you suppose Kingston and Babs Bush are going to start touring as a duet?
September 7th, 2009 at 4:09 pmBwahaha. A witness knows, just by sitting in the room, the study overstated effects of medical debt. Because they said so.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm.
Dear Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA),
So, the “emergency room” is where all the sick, uninsured people need to go? Are you sure you want to work with that? I mean, the overwhelming costs passed on to the Hospital? Not to mention the subsequent collections and poor credit rating the uninsured face.
Sure the man got treatment. But was it reasonable?
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pmAnd another piece of the Republican health care plan comes into focus.
Here’s how it works:
if you can’t afford health insurance and you happen to get cancer (probably your own fault, BTW), just go to the emergency room.
Then, when your medical expanses wipe out all your savings and equity, just declare bankruptcy. You get to “stiff the health care provider” that way.
Heck of a system you guys have designed there.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:11 pmX,
September 7th, 2009 at 4:11 pmWellllll…
… ‘Some people’ DO say.
Ape-man: In better political climate, Republican “tropes” would be funny, and not ethereal!
September 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI guess Jim Parker just failed to plan ahead for his bout with colon cancer.
**eyes rolling**
September 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pmRepublicans are focused solely on protecting corporations at the expense of this country.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ralph,
September 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pmThat reminds me of how the Bush Administration really screwed things…
… Justice Accomplished!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqoMaMgunKo
“…All the liberal, communist, socialist sources…on this website… Excuse me. LMAO.”
No, no, excuse ME…HAHAHAHAHAHA!
September 7th, 2009 at 4:23 pm“Dr Venture you are a sad joke.”
Not like the “real” Dr. Venture, who is a funny joke…
September 7th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThe article didnt go into any detail, it was a he said, she said, they said, we say, they say, bit of wordsmithing.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:25 pmkwsventures says:
Dr Venture you are a worthless pile of dogshit. I never cite biased sources. So you are a liar and a fool too. Look we all know how staggeringly stupid you are. We all understand you are a brainwashed moron. If you cant be bothered to cough up a credible source that is OK. You look fine with your red rubber nose and size 18 shoes giving us a free clown show. I love to laugh at morons as stupid as you. Just be ready to BE laughed at and understand you really are too stupid to perform any other function here
September 7th, 2009 at 4:25 pmA big gob of snot just rolled down kwsventures’ chin…
September 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pmNice generalization and right on track with the rest of your lies. When you get real, you will find plenty of good people who would discuss things with you. We just know you and you are evil.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pmThere were no links to anything. There were no references.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pmBy the way Dr Venture you sick moron. Those words socialist and communist. You are too stupid to know what they mean so coming from you they dont mean ANYTHING. It really is time fo ryou to STFU and stop humiliating yourself
September 7th, 2009 at 4:27 pmWhen a wingnut like “kwsventures” gives you a link to prove some argument, it’s important to actually look at what he thinks is winning the argument. From the “Real Clear Markets” site that he gives us:
“A study by the Department of Justice examined more than 5,000 bankruptcy cases between 2000 and 2002. It found that 54% of bankruptcies involve no medical debt, and more than 90% have medical debt of less than $5,000.”
This article, in Kwsventures’ mind, disproves what he calls the “bankruptcy myth.” But, oh oh, the article looks at cases only between 2000 and 2002. Health care premiums have tripled since then, and even then, close to 50% of filings included medical debt.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:30 pmkwsventures: “Of I forgot. All the liberal, communist, socialist sources pulled out of one’s arse on this website are always 100% correct and unbiased.”
Hey stupid, I just pointed out that you used data from 2000 through 2002, when health premiums were a third or a fourth of what they are today, to prove some phony point about what you think is a “bankruptcy myth.” Talking about pulling things out of your arse.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:34 pm.
I’m proud to live in a Nation that affords it’s people the freedom…
… To express their ignorance.
ALWAYS FEAR THE UNKNOWN…
… The Commie/Fascist/Marxist/Muslim/Pinko Black Man!
p.s.
That includes a democratically elected Government here in America that has elected a plurality of Democrats to Office, yes kws?
So, why do you hate America, again?
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:36 pm.
Shorter kws:
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pmYeah, but the Bush administration made it a lot tougher for individuals to declare bankruptcy. So it’s probably a wash.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:38 pmWhat a ‘Compassionate Consevative’. It’s OK to lose everything you worked for because insurance companies are greedy. But Hell, at least you are alive!
September 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
If (R)epublicans never pull “it” out their arse…
… Then why did they feed us nothing but B.S. this last decade?
.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
#58 P.D.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm… But hell, their lobbyists keep me “RICH”.
kws@60, Yawn.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:41 pmShorter Kingston: We only care about the unborn, now shut up and sit down borner.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pmPresident Bush claimed that “people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
i always thought this was one of his crazier notions…
then it occurred to me – maybe he made some kind of deal…
ER costs are outrageous, inflated for sure… could it be the hospitals obliged in order to get healthy refunds from the government? insurance cos? who? how???
ERs cannot be used for treatments for cancer and such diseases…
September 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThey can. I havent. I would. I wouldnt. I might.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pmIrony-deficient.
Can anyone spot the logical fallacy in kwsventures’ retort that, because we have identified weaknesses in his source link we must believe that “All the liberal, communist, socialist sources pulled out of one’s arse on this website are always 100% correct and unbiased”?
September 7th, 2009 at 4:45 pmSorry kwsventures, I couldn’t hear you laughing at us above the sound of our laughing at you.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pm.
#60 kws,
When you say, in point #1 that…
… You mean a physical threat of violence? But you’re being rational, YES?
And at point #2…
… Michelle Malkin needs the traffic. GO HOME! You already ARE a lap dog.
NO ONE appreciates your inane arguments. It’s disturbing and you purposefully redirect topics into the “kws SHOW”. Well, THAT’S TROLLISH BEHAVIOR and needs to be moderated… BETTER!
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pmBankruptcies from Illness in every other Developed/Civilized country are NONEXISTANT.
BTW I just watched President Obama’s Speech at the Labor Day Picnic in Ohio. Wow.
I think he has decided to FIGHT for Real Healthcare Reform.
I sure hope I’m right.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pmDr Venture you are a liar a fool and a PUNK. I gaurantee you I WOULD tell you the same things face to face if you acted like you do on this site. You are a LIAR you dont come here for other opinions OR to have a discussion. You are an ignorant punkass troll who comes here to BE a troll, who has no interest in discussion and only wants to screw with the liberals. Who starts with provocation every time. Who KNOWS he is too stupid to have a real discussion so he wants to annot those HAVING a discussion. Face it you are stupid and you are a punk. No one here is fooled by you one bit
September 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pmHere’s a tissue, kwsventures. Quit your blubbering.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThe most expensive care is automatically the best care. In America you can get all health care you crave. All the health care your appetite can handle – no rationing. The only difference is you get some phone calls from a yap at a collection agency. Those calls are to remind you that you’re recieiving the best health care in the world and they’ll stop when you make the numbers dissapear. $25K – poof! $130K – poof! If this man can grow his small business into a corporation then he should have no problem paying the tab. Call it the growth code.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pmralph the wonder llama says:
The false dichotomy and the strawman arguments are sacred to the rightwing and especially to trolls like Dr Venture. They cant even BEGING to make arguments without them
September 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pmBut seriously, I think conservative policies are always a form of unauthorized or hidden socialism.
(This would be the U.S. version of conservatism as it exists today. I’m not talking about the rest of the world’s versions of conservatism, which are no doubt more sensible than ours.)
We know we pay the tab for the people without insurance who go to emergency rooms. And of course, the recent giveaway of trillions to the people who messed up in the first place has us all dancing and singing.
It’s the same principle: the Right gave a party and let us pay the tab.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you bassackwards right-wing socialism!
The issue of guns and gun ownership works the same way. We all pay a pretty penny for the physical and social damage guns do, whether we own guns or not. The gun guys–who are mostly right-wing and mostly white males–are letting the rest of us pay for their fun. One could fairly call that covert or illicit socialism.
No wonder the Red States are parasites of the Blue States. No wonder the Repubs have racked up virtually all of our national debt down through history. No wonder right-wing propaganda–like Fox News–goes out on the public airwaves.
Conservative policies are parasitic to society. They are simply a very nasty brand of socialism masquerading as freedom. Ditto libertarian policies, not that it matters.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:49 pmKwsventures: “I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this.”
OK, then tough guy. Why don’t you pick a place, identify yourself, state a time and let’s see what happens.
Let’s have it: Name, place, time, identifying features. I, for one, would be happy to push you all around the parking lot and bloody you up a little if I could get the chance. Name the place and time right now. You made the implicit threat. No put up or shut up.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI find it ironic how trolls claim WE are being brain-washed by the ‘Liberal’ MSM. I get my informatiom from many sites. C-span, CNN, MSNBC plus other print materials. What to you want to bet trolls only watch Faux News and listen to Limpballs? Talk about being brain-washed.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
ksw – you are NOT a rambling idiot. I repeat: you are NOT a rambling idiot.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:51 pmHow would you know Dr Venture? You wouldnt know the truth if it bit your nutsack. You are a MORON. You are brainwashed and you are cripplingly stupid. You dont give us truth you give us the delusional fantasies you have been brainwashed with. You know less about the truth than an platypus knows about Aristopanes
September 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pmThe article you linked two was not one biased source but two biased sources agreeing with one another. I read the article. I understand the point they are trying to convince people of, just dont agree with it. You find things delusional. Great. Thats your opinion. Fine. And really, I dont study opposite viewpoints I actually talk to people. I have family members and naybors that consider themselves conservative.
The article you linked to, realclear, did just what you are talking about. not seeing other peoples views
September 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pmkws, I can see your point, I understand your point, I, however, choose to be a human being and relegate your point to the filing cabinet of conservative talking point(s).
No debate, no argumentation, no discussion.
Yeah, that works better.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:54 pmThe truth does not hurt – but swallowing the U.S.S. Constitution was a little rough on the throat.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:54 pmNinerFan,
kws is a nobody hiding behind a tag line just to be mean, tough and threatening. Pretty outrageous to me, to see some himbo scaredy-kws posturing so.
But (R)epublicans never, EVER project their sh!t. NEVER!
YES?
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September 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pmkwsventures says:
People can hid behind their tag line and be the toughest, meanest, outrageous person in the world. I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this. They would need health insurance badly, if they did.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
You’re right. In real life, I would have walked away laughing soon after being introduced to you.
And if you were doing this little ankle-biting routine in real life, someone would have stepped on you by now.
Run along.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:55 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventures says:
You are another punkass internet toughguy. NOTHING more pathetic. You are stupid. You are a liar. You are a punk. Its really just that simple
September 7th, 2009 at 4:58 pmI’m not afraid of using my private insurance policy because the terms are so so colorful on paper. The company logo is cute. They put so much care into printing your policy that you know that a claim will be processed when you need it. My methodology is great, libs.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:00 pm.
Dear kws,
When you say…
… You’re not projecting MUCH?
Eh… kws? (who?)
Eh… kws? (outlandishness supreme?)
Eh… kws? (nothing says acting tough like threats of violence)
EH…kws?
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pmI bet ksw’s stuffed animal can beat up your stuffed animal!
September 7th, 2009 at 5:04 pm1. You feel a deep sense of powerlessness about your life.
2. The only way you know how to feel better about things is to troll, because if people give you negative attention, maybe you’re accomplishing something.
Pretty unfortunate situation there, kwsventures.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:05 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
.
… Because nothing screams louder “hidden identity” like kws.
… Because nothing screams toughness like threats of violence.
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:07 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
kwsventures says:
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I know children, the truth is very painful. Cognitive Dissonance hurts a lot. Most on this website suffer a severe case of it. You throwing nasty personal insults makes my point. So, with that, until next time, Good night good luck
______________________________________________________________
Yes, your version of the truth is very painful because of its inherent stupidity.
Thanks for applauding the liberal bias of those of us on this site who know the truth.
Your level of stupidity earns you the scorn of the members on this site.
I hope there will not be a next time for you on this site.
You are a glutton for punishment because you keep coming here spewing lies and trying to get a rise out of us.
We always win because it is always you who leaves because you cannot defend your lies.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:08 pm.
Hey everyone,
kws is a LIAR.
And I can say so as assuredly as kws saying good night, but never leaving. You see, kws, a LIAR is also someone who makes a promise they never intend to keep. Y-O-U!
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pmSomeone “guaranteed libs wouldn’t talk to my face like that.”
But his guarantee wasn’t on the box.
A lib offered to say something to his face.
But is he worth it?
September 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pmNot particularly. The motivations of trolls really aren’t that complex.
Good luck with your addictions.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pmHow sad is it to spout off your parting shot and claim you’re “Out,” then lurk around to see if people say mean things about you?
September 7th, 2009 at 5:09 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
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I see that our pet stupid troll is here to defend the indefensible again.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pmClaims of “Cognitive Dissonance” from a stupid troll? Priceless!
September 7th, 2009 at 5:13 pmkwsventures says:
They arent strange Dr Venture you are STUPID. You see logical opinions as strange because you are far too stupid to even begin to recognize logic. Higher brain function will ALWAYS be far beyond your meager capabilities. You are a moron. You will always BE a moron. You are a liar. You are a punk. None of that is either our problem or our fault.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:13 pmDr Venture
You are a liar. You arent fooling anyone. We all KNOW yoau re a liar and a moron. It really is just that simple
September 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pmAgain, tough guy, you posted this:
” Comedy. People can hid behind their tag line and be the toughest, meanest, outrageous person in the world. I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this. They would need health insurance badly, if they did.”
I’m offering to meet you in the parking lot of your choice. By coincidence, I am able to be in almost any state because of my business on about a week’s notice. So, I’m asking you again to give me a place and time, some identifying characteristics, and I will present myself to you there as “Ninerfan.” Then, I will say some of the things I’ve posted to you here to your face and we’ll see what happens.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:17 pmkwsventures says:
I can tell you, in the world I live in, I know exactly what would happen to someone like you.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pm.
Even when Democrats say 1+1=2…
… (R)epublicans have go about proving why it doesn’t.
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pmhow do they keep getting away with these lies???
just heard about this on the radio news:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 5 (UPI) — The “reset button” needs to be pressed on healthcare reforms being “imposed upon” the American people, a Republican congressman says.
Rep. John Kline of Minnesota, speaking Saturday in the GOP’s response to President Barack Obama’s weekly radio and Internet address, said: “It’s time to press the ‘reset’ button’” on “healthcare reform (that) is being imposed upon (Americans), rather than developed with them.”
Saying Americans are right to be frightened and confused about the Democratic reforms, Kline said hardworking families were being kept in the dark and asserted the costs of the measures will mean more job losses.
“Democrats have crafted this legislation behind closed doors, creating a partisan blueprint that — at last count — clocked in at more than 1,000 pages. It’s complicated, it’s convoluted and it’s quite simply not going to work,” he said.
Kline said Democrats have rejected overtures on a GOP proposal “designed to make health care more affordable, reduce the number of uninsured Americans, and increase quality at a price our country can afford.”
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/05/GOP-Time-for-healthcare-reset-button/UPI-96721252162117/
September 7th, 2009 at 5:18 pmBut, But But!! The status QUO! The POOR FUKCING STATUS QUO!!
September 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pmkwsventures says:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Ohhh, struck a nerve.
That’s a win for me.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pmKWSventures.
Another guess.
KorporateWeenieSuckerVentures.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pmIt has been said that only the stupidest people need to resort to violence. Personally, I’ve never held back from identifying stupid behavior, in the interest of the common good, and have never felt the slightest bit frightened.
You see, when one earns the respect of one’s peers, the threat of physical violence virtually disappears. Reasonable discourse virtually eliminates the possibility. And, when a person gains a reputation for violence? They are best ignored if not shunned.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pmkaty, when all else fails, claim the Russians are coming, the sky is falling and we’ll all get herpes.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pmThe Republiklan mantra.
katy,
GOLD! You found GOLD!
DARE: Rep. John Kline of Minnesota should be made to quote from (R)epublican legislation currently in Congress concerning health care “reform”.
DOUBLE DARE: Rep. John Kline of Minnesota needs to quote from the legislation currently being discussed where (R)epublicans have co-sponsored.
DOUBLE DOG DARE: Rep. John Kline of Minnesota should be forced to produce said legislation, himself.
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pmRUC,
I thought it was…
… Klan Whore Service Ventures.
But I could be wrong.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:27 pmI’d bet 50 bucks the moron is still lurking.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:33 pmNinerFan says:
Most likely, in his underwear, sucking on a beer and sobbing
September 7th, 2009 at 5:35 pmkwsventures says:
1. Comedy. People can hid behind their tag line and be the toughest, meanest, outrageous person in the world. I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this. They would need health insurance badly, if they did.
“Big ugly troll get angry when confronted with facts! Troll get upset! Troll smash! Troll make libs need health insurance because troll not good with words, only violence!”
September 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pmRepublicans are morons.
WTF is Kingston talking about? Go to the ER for cancer care??
Aside from his being callously unsympathetic to Parker, he is completely ignorant of the health care system.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pmUsing the ER for treatment except for traumas is the MOST EXPENSIVE health care delivery system. We all pay for it in our taxes (county hospitals) and in higher costs for all services spread out over all.
Kingston reminds me of Bush when the single mother was working three jobs to provide for her children, and he enthusiastically said, “only in America, would you have that opportunity.” It’s just twisted.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pmThink Progress ate my last comment! LOL What the heck.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pm.
And on the left coast we look like this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYXq5tSXb0
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September 7th, 2009 at 5:51 pm.
p.s.
kws should thank a Liberal AND a union member for today’s holiday.
… instead, the himbo spits.
Why does kws hate America so?
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September 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pmmax@123, kws should also thank ‘Libreuls’ for clean water, environmental rights, equal rights. Oh wait.. I don’t think kws believes in anything that HELPS people. He would consider that a drain on society.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:05 pmP.D.
You’re right. Imagine all the dollars in taxes kws has given away for the “COMMON WELFARE”.
Who needs public water… when it can be “PRIVATIZED for PROFIT”?
Who needs police… when Xe can be hired?
Who needs a Fire Department… When a smoke detector will save you?
p.s.
Who needs public parks, highways, golf courses, anyway?
Eh… kws?
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September 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pmkwsventures says:
1. Comedy. People can hid behind their tag line and be the toughest, meanest, outrageous person in the world. I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this. They would need health insurance badly, if they did.
They would need some reconstructive butt surgery, because one look at you, and they would laugh their ass off.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pmPeople can hid behind their tag line…
I don’t.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI really loathe and detest repiggies.
Can we start talking about working to defeat the trash in the 2010 elections?
Can we compile a superlist of repiggies and blue dogs opposed to the Public Option?
It’s time to put those vicious beasts down, politically speaking.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pmkwsventures……lacks compassion and appreciation for fellow human beings. An example of a pathetic, selfish, clueless greedy teabagger. What a shame.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pmkwsventures says:
1. Comedy. People can hid behind their tag line and be the toughest, meanest, outrageous person in the world. I guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this. They would need health insurance badly, if they did.
Facts-to-face? You mean we can provide facts and all you can provide is your face? Geez, talk about an uneven fight.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pmkorporateweeniesuckerventures epitomizes the Republiklan mindset;
September 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pmGreedy, belligerant, selfish and amoral.
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Happy Labor Day…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h62GQqzBJI4
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September 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pmCome on, RUC.
korporateweeniesuckerventures is a self-made weenie sucker.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pm.
Dear kws #22,
In the article you link to, albeit extremely partisan and all, it says:
Obviously the author ought to be the one to know better. The Congressman has been taking testimony for over a decade from people who’ve become bankrupted by health care costs. Any amount of “JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY” would have caused the author to do deep, unbiased, research into his topic de jour.
But then again, integrity is what (R)epublicans shun. NO?
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WHO NEEDS FACTS, ANYWAY, WHEN ONE MAKES BASELESS ARGUMENTS?
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September 7th, 2009 at 6:30 pmI guarantee they wouldn’t talk to me fact-to-face like this.
September 7th, 2009 at 6:43 pm—
Seems we haven’t met. Hi I’m dbadass….
Through the FALL?? When it comes to the opposition and the present administration, it will be more like keeping the nightmare alive throughout the next 3 1/2 years! Who does he think he’s kidding?
September 7th, 2009 at 6:50 pmApparently the ends justify any means for these goons…
http://www.political-buzz.com/
September 7th, 2009 at 7:07 pmWhen are the lies going to end? The Republican party stands for a small percentage of people. When are people going to stop listening to these guys?Listen closely to what is actually said and realize it is just blather. Wisen up America.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:20 pmMonday 09/07/09 – Obama says, “I want a health insurance system that works as well for the American people as it does for the insurance industry. They should be free to make a profit. But they also have to be fair”.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:29 pmGO HERE to tell this Thug what you think!
http://kingston.house.gov/Contact/
September 7th, 2009 at 7:37 pmOn MSNBC they are doing a poll about Barack’s speech to School kids. About 80% beleive he should. That is why MSM pisses me off so bad. They give a lot of press time to wingers and make them look mainstream instead of a fringe group.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:01 pmdelafield ,
Did the president explain how I can make a profit from the insurance companies?
Oh, it’s only FAIR when they do…
… So much for the “STATUS QUO”, NO?
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September 7th, 2009 at 8:03 pmAnd for all you conservative aholes out there…
…had he been able to afford preventative checkups he would have had it taken care of before he got cancer…
…f’n jerks.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:03 pmEveryone should see this.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:18 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think they loudest 1% think they have a chance at defeating healthcare reform. Sorry bro you ain’t got the digits.
The whole town hall issue is being overly reported on to make it SEEM that there is real opposition to this bill. FOX has worked FOR the government since it was started. The anti government propaganda mixed with OBVIOUS lies actually has people supporting the government. I fairly sure that everyone KNOWS that Fox is killing the republican party. So democrats should be happy about fox and republicans (not sarah P.) should never watch it. I Think this whole controversy is reverse psychology.
I’m surprised I had to be the first to point this out. you’re welcome.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:19 pmWhat an idiotic statement! What a self-centered, cold-blooded, callous, shallow, evil thing to say to anyone, let alone to the sick and the poor.
How many times can one file for bankruptcy? What happens when one can’t file for bankruptcy? Then what? Think this out you dimwit.
Let’s supply your rationale to your healthcare plan. How will that work for you? You like it?
No healthcare for elected officials until we have an public option.
To the hecklers, racist, teabaggers, idiots:
If you don’t want to use the public option, then DON’T APPLY for it.
<<<<<<<<<<It’s real simple teabaggers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
DON’T CHECK THE FREAKIN BOX, YOU TABLES!
Gawd,
since the dems came from their “well-deserved” vacation, I’d noticed that the dialogue is a little more civil and a little less stupid.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pmOff-Topic…Carlos Watson loses MSNBC news slot at 11… I don’t know all the details but many bloggers believe it was a statement he said that ‘Socialism is the new ‘N’ word.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:25 pmBabeuary says:
Yes overhaul it is fundamentally broken. 18,000 people per year DIE because of the way we pay for healthcare. The rest of the industrial world DOESNT let tens of thousands of their citizens per year DIE to protect the profits and priveledges of the rich and corporations.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:25 pmYes. As Eugene says, the system is fundamentally broken.
The free market approach doesn’t work properly for health care, since demand does not respond dynamically to price. Demand for health care is what it is. It doesn’t increase when prices are low nor decrease when prices are high, as classic capitalistic markets are supposed to do.
Thus there is no downward pressure on prices once they reach a certain plateau. Pricesa are not checked by falling demand, so they just keep on rising until the system can no longer sustain itself. I fear we are approaching that crisis point.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pmOnly a Republican would spin the misfortune of a bankrupted cancer survivor to make a cheap political point in an attempt to appease the right wing talk radio crowd. Shame on that audience for letting Kingston get away with treating a fellow American that way, I though Georgia was full of proud Christians. God help Jack Kingston.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:49 pmNorway: hard to believe they call the socialists there conservative…
September 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pmHealthcare should not be profit driven, yet this is what many of the politicians want more of.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm.
#144 Mr. Evil,
Yes, priceless.
A must see.
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September 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pmBuckie: “…had he been able to afford preventative checkups he would have had it taken care of before he got cancer…”
It happens every single day in America. That’s part of the reason we’re No. 37, last in the industrial world in life expectancy. Corporations have been screwing the American people for a long time. Once and a while, we wake up and hit back. Maybe this year is another one of those ages.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pmMax Anax junius -1,
It looks as though the health insurance companies will play a big role in President Obama’s “health care reform package”. Considering Obama’s statements from today, he will most likely propose the same old health care for profit system that we have now.
I guess that’s the end “Change” and “Hope”. I’m beginning to wish that Hillary was President.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:58 pmNixon, back in 1974 proposed health insurance reform. His idea was to have the private folks run a non-profit insurance company. It didnt fly then either. This isnt a partisan or bipartisan issue, its the people against the I sector who is willing to spend hundred of millions to defeat majority rule and sadly our common-wealth has many representatives working for against their constitiutents thru fear, disinformation and outright lies.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
P.D. says:
I don’t know all the details but many bloggers believe it was a statement he said that ‘Socialism is the new ‘N’ word.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
That’s harsh. Especially when it’s true.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pmYet another great example of why fox sucks.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/01/kevin-mccullough-obama-implode/
September 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pmIt’s not simply being underinsured. With a profit-based healthcare and insurance system our policies are full of small print land mines designed to sabatoge our best intentions for coverage.
September 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pmIt is not an accident when we “fall through the cracks”.
P.D.
September 7th, 2009 at 11:00 pmBeen looking for the story you refer to on Carolos Wtson and I can’t find it. Where idd you read that?
If the story is true, a news anchor who tells the truth is punished.
Beck can lie every day, along with all the other vile personalities on Fox, but MSNBC punishes a guy who states a fact. Go figure.
Marie @11:00
There is an article about Carlos Watson on Huffington Post.
We seem to be having some discriminatory issues this weekend with the first and fourteenth amendments.
September 7th, 2009 at 11:37 pmThe only reaason I don’t emigrate to Norway is the winters.
September 8th, 2009 at 12:10 amWhat if Terry Schiavo’s insurance had run out?
September 8th, 2009 at 12:27 amI’m sick to death of these idiots who seem to think that you can get treated for cancer in the emergency room?
September 8th, 2009 at 1:02 amIn what alternative universe does that happen?
A man is bankrupted by his bad luck with health.
Mission Accomplished! One more small step to FEUDALISM!
September 8th, 2009 at 1:03 amHe may have been diagnosed with cancer in the ER but I cant see an ER treating his cancer unless they removed the growth right then.
PS, an ER will send you a bill so dont go thinking its free.
September 8th, 2009 at 1:12 amThis 17 year old gets it. Video response to Obama-Doctrination
September 8th, 2009 at 1:14 amThat last paragraph bears repetition; “Kingston has been telling the media that the August town halls have helped to defeat Obama’s health care plan. And he recently told Politico that the GOP is “going to keep the nightmare going through the fall.” A nightmare all too real for people like Jim Parker.”
The current obstructionism and negotiating in bad faith and fear-mongering is a nightmare for everyone; Jim Parker just gets a bigger badder piece than most of us, and then he gets slapped in the face by a fatuous bully.
Run this Kingston turd out of office. We don’t need any more of the continuing Republican sponsored nightmare.
September 8th, 2009 at 1:31 amSomeone should tell Kingston its Nixons health reform plan and see what he says.
September 8th, 2009 at 1:36 amGOP has no intention of understanding or debating real health insurance reform. The intend to promote confusion, misinformation and fear.
http://axisofreason.com/2009/09/07/gop-grand-obstructionist-party/
September 8th, 2009 at 1:51 amAs a non-USA citizen I must say that your rightwing makes Genghis Khan look liberal!
September 8th, 2009 at 2:21 amHaving had colon cancer myself, I can state that the symptoms were varied and somewhat vague. It took at least 3 months of various tests before I was finally sent for a CT scan that revealed the cancer. There is no way I could have received this kind of testing in an emergency room.
I don’t know the actual facts of Jim’s case, but without insurance, I would imagine his symptoms were pretty severe by the time he was diagnosed. And this Republican jerk thinks that emergency rooms are the answer to Jim’s problem? I can’t comprehend the disconnectedness of people who dismiss others physical, emotional, mental and financial lives so lightly.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:10 amI say we call their bluff and start forming real Death Panels.
September 8th, 2009 at 6:23 amKingston has been telling the media that the August town halls have helped to defeat Obama’s health care plan.
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Oh, really? How many members of Congress have changed their minds about health care because of the town hall screamers?
September 8th, 2009 at 8:55 amAnd he recently told Politico that the GOP is “going to keep the nightmare going through the fall.”
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And he doesn’t care how many people he has to kill to do it. The important thing is to make sure President Obama fails.
September 8th, 2009 at 8:57 amAnd yet the mainstream media COMPLETELY IGNORED THIS:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/seattle-thousands-rally-favor-health
When we were demonstrating by the thousands against the impending Iraq war–we barely got a mention. But now every rude, ignorant, lying prick that screams gets full coverage and consideration by the rotten, stinking mainstream media.
Little wonder this country is swirling around the toilet drain of the Big Flush….
September 8th, 2009 at 9:20 amWhen has any “flawed” bill that was passed in spite of its flaws ever been revisited to the advantage of the PEOPLE?
September 8th, 2009 at 10:33 amKingston – what a twit.
Next time he’s on Bill Maher’s show, I hope Bill rips him apart on this.
Perhaps we should be stating, “…access to PREVENTATIVE health care” more often. Emergency rooms don’t provide preventative care services… they are a last resort when people have nowhere else to go.
I guess in Kingston’s pitiful little mind, having a last resort as your ONLY option is acceptable in America – as long as the CEOs in the health insurance or pharmaceutical industries don’t have to take a cut in their multi-million dollar salaries.
This type of neanderthal thinking renders terms like “regular check-ups”, “physical-fitness”, and “nutrition counseling” obsolete.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:21 amTypical republican idiocy, just go to the emergency room. Well WHO THE HELLS PAYING FOR THAT!! Jesus are these guys really that stupid or do they think we are? Someone will end up absorbing the cost of this mans health care. Someone should have asked Kingston if he’d be willing to give up his taxpayer funded health plan in favor or going to the emergency room.
People like Kingston are so disingenuous, so fundamentally dishonest that it would be excruciating living with his hypocrisy if he had a conscience.
September 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThank you for your sharing.!
September 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm