Lieberman: Public option is ‘not attainable’ because ‘the public doesn’t support it.’
Lieberman: Public option is ‘not attainable’ because ‘the public doesn’t support it.’
Last week, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) told the Connecticut Post that he believed the only “opportunity to achieve significant reform with bipartisan support” was if the public option was “off the table.” “There will be no shot at 60 votes” with a public option, said Lieberman, adding “because I’m not the only one” against it. On MSNBC today, Lieberman claimed that the public option wasn’t “attainable” because “the public doesn’t support it”:
LIEBERMAN: The question is, are people going to continue to fight for elements that are not attainable or are they going to try to find common ground?
MITCHELL: You mean — you mean the public option? You mean the public option is not attainable?
LIEBERMAN: I mean — yes, I mean a government-run health insurance plan. The public doesn’t support it. They know that, ultimately, taxpayers will pay for it. They don’t want us to add to the debt. They feel that the existing system, private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, does pretty well.
Watch it:
Lieberman is wrong when he says that “the public doesn’t support” a public option. In fact, numerous polls have found strong support for such an option, including a recent SurveyUSA study that found 77 percent of Americans feel it is important to have a “choice” between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage. Andrew Sullivan notes that independents support it 57-33.
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Yes but by public self righteous Joe means the guys who contribute to his campaigns. He doesnt care about working poeople he cares about RICH people and to him they are the only public that matters
September 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pmTo paraphrase Barney Frank: “Joe. What Fcuking Planet do you spend most of your time on?!”
September 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI’ll say it again. Democratic voters of Connecticut – what the hell is wrong with you?!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:05 pm.
Shorter Joe:
.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pmHealth care reform is now a sick, bloody joke. Data over the last decade shows most citizens want the government or their employer to do more, not less in paying for health care.
University of Houston
Center for Public Policy
conducted June 20-29, 2002
52% favor – A national health plan, financed by taxpayers, in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan.
72% favor – Requiring businesses to offer private health insurance for their employees.
69% favor – Offering uninsured Americans income tax deductions, tax credits, or other financial assistance to help them purchase private health insurance on their own.
72% favor – Expanding state government programs for low-income people, such as the Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, to provide coverage for people without health insurance.
75% favor – Expanding the neighborhood health clinics.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:09 pmAren’t you glad, Mr. President, that you accepted this man back into the democratic caucus after he campaigned for John McCain?
September 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pmStrange way to express gratitude, don’t you think?
There you go, Connecticut, what more evidence do you need that your Senator has only one thing in mind when you elect him to office: his own self-aggrandizement
September 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pmHealthcare reform without a public option is not meanigful reform. The health insurance companies win and we lose, as healthcare costs will continue to exponentially grow. You like your health insurance now, but will you have it in 5 years or will your benefits cost you more and give you less coverage? Unless there is a public option, that will be the reality of millions upon millions of Americans will be facing. The Health Insurance companies fear a public option, they won’t be able to gouge you with impunity anymore. As long as they continue to put money in politicians pockets you can bet they are trying to squelch any reform that makes them accountable.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pmGO HERE…select your means of contact…and tell him he is WRONG!
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/
September 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pmLIAR
September 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pmWhen has this asshat ever been right!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pmHalf of them are Democrats, and half of them are punch-a-hippie-for-Jesus legacy Democrats. The latter, plus a lot of tactical voting by Republicans, gave us Lieberman.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pmbbb…buuttttt joe,
September 8th, 2009 at 3:20 pmthey have universal healthcare where your puppetmasters live in israel. why can’t sw?
Joe Lieberman-Independent. Completely independent of any link to reality or decency.
It has to conflict with his total dependence on lobby money and Republican talking points.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:21 pm“Joe the Traitor” is bought and paid for by the insurance industry. He’s not a democrat, his priorities are, Israel and selling out to the republicans.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm*we
September 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pmI have that Ronald Reagan Optimism in me that Joe Lieberman will NOT get his ass completely handed to him in 2012.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pmLIEberman just lies slower than most of the Repuliscum. They are still lies.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pmI’m trying to figure out which of these lying creeps is going pull the Claude Rains moment…”It’s me! Everything he says is true!”
Judging from their sterling character, I’m guessing none.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pmJoe LIEberman (R-Tel Aviv) needs to just come out and admit that he’s a Repignican and get it over with. Watch him change to the R column for good ater the R’s win back the Senate in 2010. What a pathetic creep.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pmLieberman has the wrong letter after his name. It should be R – like his Rethuglican brothers. He’s so out of touch with reality! That’s one of the reasons why McCain lost in ‘08.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pmYou know what Leiberman? If you don’t like it vote against it, but you better darn well vote for cloture. The filibuster was not intended as just another way to force a 60 vote passage of a bill. It is a way to make sure that the minority at least has its chance to make their point. Point made, now vote on the bill!!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I certainly wish that the troll Storm would share with us the stuff he’s dropping or toking. Acapulco Gold or what Stormy?
September 8th, 2009 at 3:31 pmGrampy McSame says – My friends, back in the day Joe and I would sit around the campfire telling stories, Joe was great at telling whoppers. Great big ones, I would laugh my butt off at them, why once he said he was a liberal, A LIBERAL, wow, I said, “No way, Joe, you ain’t got a liberal bone in your body. You just vote for the Dollars, like all of us.” And old Joe says, “I’ll bet you a night with Cindy that I can get elected as a Liberal.” well, Cindy will do it with just about anyone, so I took up the bet…trollup c**t, but now Joe is telling those whoppers again, “Public option is ‘not attainable’ because ‘the public doesn’t support it.” and can you believe that he said it on MSNBC and no one, NO ONE called BullSh!t on him, that is just Joe’s way though, tell a whopper and hope for the best…ooops, I hope that’s not a load in my diapers again.
Yeah, Grampy, Joe represents the people, sure, got it…(rolls eyes)
September 8th, 2009 at 3:31 pmdrive through hartford connecticut and the biggest building tennanted by one business is the aetna insurance company. it must be eight blocks long by four wide and fourteen stories tall. is it any surprise whiny-assed LIEberman is making these statements?
September 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pmI fully support the Baucus compromise. It will tweak the great private insurance market’s minor behavior problem with dump loads of subsidies. It will cap deductibles to a very affordable $6000 a year. It will reduce the cost from $1 trillion to $900 billion- that way the pundits will have to say the more tedious “900 billion dollars! Ahhh!”, which has less sting effect. I don’t care that it will place incentive for insurance companies to water down policies for the peasants. I’m a republican, why should I care? F- you, I got mine!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:34 pmstorm,
perhaps you can explain to the nice people how “tort reform” will provide the uninsured with insurance and end “preexisting conditions”.
thanks in advance
September 8th, 2009 at 3:34 pmlike i said earlier, arkansas rep. ross (?) has changed his mind about the public option after falling for the LIES…
he used to be for it…
i still can’t believe team obama did not get ahead of the LIES…
they were TOLD what the right’s objective was…
seriously…
September 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pmI will tell you what is wrong with it. It is already very difficult for a person who has been wronged to go up against a big corporation or large hospitals. I have no problem with limiting awards, but Republicans want to make it almost impossible for someone who was wronged by negligence or incompetence to get any awards at all.
That being said, that does little to solve the health cost issues. It does not bring the 20 cents on the dollar that insurance companies are reaping from premiums (way up from 3-8 cents over the last couple of decades). When 20% of your premiums is going into pockets of insurance companies, no amount of Torte reform is going to pull it out – only not for profit health care is going to do that.
Tort reform is a red herring used to distract from the real problems.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWho owns Lieberman? Obviously somebody in the health insurance industry does, because he’s spewing the same lies we’ve been getting from the wingnuts and the Obama-haters.
Lieberman claims that “taxpayers” would have to pay for a public option. Yes, part of the money would have to come from taxpayers (what doesn’t come in premiums from those who opt for the option). But why in the world does Lieberman think this is going to be tougher on the taxpayers than the slack they’re having to pick up now on uninsured sick people, emergency room care for preventable conditions, etc.?
Lieberman also believes a majority of the American public believe what we have works very well and we don’t need to change anything. Geez — even Republicans who oppose whatever Obama favors (simply because Obama favors it) concede the system needs fixing.
Lieberman is wrong about something else, too. He believes that if the public option is “off the table”, there’s a shot at bipartisan support for a compromise plan. Nonsense. The Republicans have made it very clear that they will oppose ANYTHING the Democrats put together without even reading it.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:41 pmSadly, we must wait until 2012 for this putz to get his ass handed to him by Richard Blumenthal.
And effective tort reform isn’t necessarily a bad idea (as part of a comprehensive package that includes a STRONG public option). It also happens to be very telling that the right wants to make tort reform the cornerstone (…and only part of…) their proposed “reform” package. That, and massive tax breaks for the wealthy. And the insurance companies. And wealthy insurance companies.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
One of the reasons Lieberman was allowed to stay in the democratic caucas was because he voted with the dems on domestic issues. Well, there goes that. Time for Reid to do a re-vote and remove this scoundrel once and for all. He’s a full-fledged lying republicant now.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pmWould that be the same public that signed up for the Lieberman party of one?
September 8th, 2009 at 3:44 pmI am so glad I did not vote for this guy.
I voted Ned Lamont.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI called his office and was informed–in a very condescending way–that my energy would be better used calling my own Congressional representative. I told her that that Lieberman is wrong about the public not supporting a public option and that I didn’t have to be a constituent to point that out but it was nice to know how much he cares about the opinions of Americans who don’t live in Connecticut.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pmI encourage others to call. It will really annoy the b**** answering the phone.
oh yea… reminded by randi about this story…
i heard if first on C&L yesterday:
So Now We Know Why Wall St. Doesn’t Want Health-Care Reform:
Death Panels!
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/so-now-we-know-why-wall-st-doesnt-wan
“death derivatives”!
maybe THAT’s why all these reps are giving in… they smell investment opportunities!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pmSo, Droopy Dog…..
If the people of Israel have successful Universal healthcare,
September 8th, 2009 at 3:54 pmwhy is a public option not “attainable” for U.S. citizens?
Andrea “A lot of people in your party….”
September 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pmHe is not in our party-he is an Indepentent, and hopefully won’t be in the Senate for much longer.
Sure, let’s do tort reform. Let’s limit the amount of money that malpractice insurance companies have to pay out. That won’t change what premiums they demand but it will be “reform”. It’s the same kind of “reform” the healthcare insurance companies want.
Keep the companies healthy! (maybe it will trickle down to the people)
/snark off
September 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pmSTORM says:
You are just an ignorant worthless piece of garbage and a punkass troll. Trying to change the subject AGAIN. Joe is a liar as much as you are a punk. We all know what is wrong with tort reform but a weasel like you will ALWAYS stand with power against those without power. Its just the kind of shitweasel you are
September 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pmSTORM says:
What’s wrong with Tort reform? Its like kryptonyte to Democrats. Is it because of the tobacco billions getting funneled to the democratic party by trial lawyers?
I love it when docs forget about the tools they left sutured next to some commoner’s spleen. Protect my amusement – say no to lawsuits against comedy docs!
September 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pmSlappyMORON why are you here? Your addiction to our pity has no hope. Your stupid post is headed to the sewer as we speak. You can keep begging us like the crackwhore you so resemble but there is no pity for you down the road. It has all changed and you still cant help but beg us to pity you just a little more. IT is so sad, stupid and pathetic. Just like you
September 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pmStorm, punkass troll going down in flames.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pmSlappyBastinado says: Everyone supports the “public option”…..free health care for everyone
Who says the public option has to be free? Tell me, why should I have to pay DOUBLE the premiums that my employer who eliminated my job paid and that I have been paying on COBRA, once I can no longer get insurance through COBRA and have to go onto the “free market”? I would love an affordable public option and would gladly pay the $400 per month I pay now for COBRA. And my situation is no where near as dire as that of other Americans.
Your sarcasm is not funny because it distorts an important issue and mocks real efforts to improve the lives of others.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pmJok’n Joe, the Droopy Dawg of politics.
He talks slow because he thinks slow.
He acts slow because he IS slow.
Slow to learn. Slow to react. Slow to get a point.
Hypocritter deluxe.
Joe’s motto: ‘I’m with you until I find a higher bidder’…
September 8th, 2009 at 4:04 pmHey Lieberman,
Go back to your cave that you live in….no wait a minute, you never left!!
September 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pmActually, if we had something that we could read for our selves instead of all of the bullshit that is out there along with all of the fearmongering, perhaps the public would support the health care bill. I for one think that all of the rhetoric is way out of hand and needs to be brought to a close so that the reality of the proposed legislation can be seen with out all of the slag. I know that medicare and mediecade both work, I also know that the systems used in most of the industrialized countries also work since I have seen it in action. The nonsense about rationed care is a red herring as is long waiting lines. We do need tort reform since the insurance that physicians must pay to stay in practice is an outrage but then when people get hurt, some one should pay. But, lets get real, If every one had heath coverage, then perhaps the number of law suites would go down since many are due to patients waiting too long to get help. Gee, what a thought.
So, Mr. Lieberman, support the president, support single payer, support the public “version”, be brave and stick your scrawny neck out for a change.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:08 pmHi Slappy. I know I have a friend in this race, and you are it. States like Mississippi and Kentucky should serve as the national model for health care. The problem is with the lib states, where too few people live within 10 minutes of a McDonalds. If only more people did, they’d be nutrientized and canker-free.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pmEveryone supports the “public option”…..free health care for everyone….after surgery when the patient is convalescing I support free Netflix, cable TV in every room (except the Fox channel) massages and gift boxes as long as I don’t have to pay for any of it over and above the 135% of my policy I now pay…..
blah blah blah — more distractions instead of real debate. I assume that you agree that we shouldn’t have to pay for police protection, fire protection, or for our kids to get educated. That means you do believe that even if you are poor you deserve certain public services; however, you continue to oversimplify and distract from the debate by making ludicrous straw men.
The fact is that poor people and their poor children (who didn’t choose what family to be born into), shouldn’t die from easily treatable diseases because they weren’t detected until the symptoms were bad enough for the emergency room.
The worst part about the whole deal is that we are paying much more for much less care. People like you are perfectly happy ignoring all of the facts instead of bringing up real concerns that could help move the debate forward.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm“Lieberman’s re-elction is ‘not attainable’ because ‘the public doesn’t support him.’”
September 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian says:
Slappy is never funny. He is always stupid and pathetic. The fact he thinks he is funny may be the most pathetic and delusional thing about the poor delusional moron
September 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pmSloppy Bastard contributes nothing to the conversation.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:16 pmAre you serious? Mississippi has the highest obesity rate in the country you idiot. In fact the top six obesity rates are all rural red states:
Mississippi
Alabama
West Virginia
Tennessee
South Carolina
Oklahoma
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html
Nobody is more overweight than fatass Republican rednecks.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pmCorporate banking, utilities, insurance, war profiteers,
and healthcare corporations.
No wonder Joe was able to keep his senate seat with the support (campaign donations) of friends in such high places.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pmHoly Joe still sounds Republican.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pmLieberman isn’t “wrong” about the public’s support for a public option.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pmHe’s lying.
The people of Connecticut were wrong to trust and elect him.
See Slappy you beg, it disappears, no pity for you at the end of the rainbow
September 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
SlappyMORON sends another one to the sewer. You are like a crackwhore slappy only without the dignity or self respect
September 8th, 2009 at 4:31 pmBi-polarpartisanship means the insurance companies get the best plan they can buy with our premiums, and the congress gets to claim they’ve passed ‘health care reform’.
Jeebutz, Norway’s looking better all the time.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I have no police protection or fire protection of any usable kind and no kids yet I pay for these services at full rate.
As do I, and as a liberal, I don’t object – yet any time a conservative has to shell out a nickel for a service he doesn’t use, he winges like a stuck hog.
Go figure.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pmSTORM says
September 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
What’s wrong with Tort reform? Its like kryptonyte to Democrats.
_____________________________________________________________
Nope, not like kryptonite. More like pyrite, or fool’s gold. Pretty and shiny, it can generate a lot of excitement, but turns out to have little to no value.
The cost of malpractice runs from less than 0.5% to about 1.5% of total health care costs in this country (depending on what source you use — I found a number of sources on Google).
Additionally, the cost of malpractice has been going up at a much slower rate than the rest of the cost of health care, which has been skyrocketing. Here’s one source that pointed that out better than I could:
http://www.division42.org/MembersArea/IPfiles/Fall05/reprints/tort-reform.php
Just so you don’t have to read the whole thing, I’ll quote the important part:
“In 2002, payouts from malpractice comprised .38% of U.S. health care costs. HCFA data show that while health care costs have risen by 74.7% in constant dollars since 1988, malpractice costs have increased only 5.7% over the same period. The conclusion is straightforward and simple: Medical malpractice premiums are not the cause of skyrocketing medical costs, period.”
Tort reform isn’t kryptonite. We’re not afraid of it. We are willing to talk about how even if you eliminated malpractice altogether and allowed doctors to provide care with no accountability whatsoever, it would be such a small drop in the bucket as to be insignificant.
The same goes for the other right-wing “reform” suggestions — that health care would be “fixed” if insurers were permitted to cross states lines, and if all “illegals” were rounded up and deported.
Even if insurers could do business anywhere they wanted to in this country without regard to state lines, they’re still only going to go after the young and healthy market. If I have a pre-existing condition and there are three insurers in my area who won’t take me, how will I benefit if there are seven insurers in my area who won’t take me? And once all the gates are down, those hypothetical seven insurers won’t last — big fish will swallow small fish, and we’ll be right back where we started with about two or three companies who have put the smaller ones out of business.
“Rounding up the illegals” is another drop-in-the-bucket distraction. Let’s ignore for the moment the comparison between the money saved by throwing out all undocumented residents so they can’t take advantage of medical care in this country (and remember, many of them do buy their own insurance or get it from their employer), and the cost to the taxpayer of rounding up and deporting everyone, many of whom will just sneak across the border again.
And the overwhelming majority of the uninsured in this country are American citizens, so even if you could make all the people who aren’t supposed to be here suddenly vanish, the problem itself isn’t going anywhere.
Profits by the ten largest health insurance providers in the country increased by over 400% between 2000 and 2007. And they’re still going up — United Health Care’s profits for the second quarter doubled, just because they raised their rates. THIS is the elephant in the room. THIS is the big problem that’s the obvious place to point the finger.
And the “elephant” (resemblance to the symbol of a particular political party is purely coincidental) is spending billions of dollars to make sure their gravy train isn’t disturbed, and this money is going to things like pointing out shiny, distracting objects like tort reform.
My question to you is — why are you catapulting their propaganda? What’s in this for you? How is it that you’ve gotten sucked into the lies?
September 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pmNo wonder the independants like Leiberworstman, They are full of shit just like he is.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pmJoe is trying to play the honest politicians by telling us that if the public does not support ‘Public option’ then we must scrap it.
Joe is wrong ..the public do support the Public option, secondly not everything the Congress pass means the public supports.
Do the public support pay raise for Congress members..? of course not…but members keep getting it.
Do the public support war funding in the hundreds of billions of dollars ? of course not..but Congress spends the money anyway.
Do the public Support 3 billion dollars every year going to Israel? Of course not ,when we have to borrow the money, but the Congress spends it..and Joe loves it.
Do the public supports Joe making taxpayers paying his health cost bills..? Of course not….but Joe gets his health covered anyway…
Joe is another big hypocrite politician.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Government run health care?
Slappy’s article is from January 18, 2005 – Bush run health care, as incompetent as his other iniatives.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pmPunkass Bush did nothing about this travisty in his HOME STATE…..Barry do something!….Start with the VA and work your way up like the rest of us had to do.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pmLieberman will most likely be re-elected again. The only reason why he stays independent is that he is voting with Dems on many issues and Republicans on fiscal issues. He will stay independent unless Reid were to strip him of his committee chairmanship. Reid can only do that if Lieberman starts caucusing with Republicans, declares he is a Republican or when the next Congress is seated in 2010. That will only happen if the Dems pick up more Senate seats to put them over 60. There are Dem Senators that were not happy with what Reid did and will likely take issue after the next election.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSlappy
What do you know. A real non troll question. Actual dialogue. You MUST be desperate. No. As a rule doesnt mean every time. Debs wasnt right everytime either. The rest of the world is already doing it better than we do. Healthcare should be a right you have not a commodity you buy. Like it is in every other industrial country in the world. Nothing is free your first post was, as usual when you think you are funny, stupid and pathetic. It is paid for by taxes. The military isnt FREE. It is paid for by all of us and used mostly to procure resources for the rich and corporations. I dont like it. It is however, like healthcare, a democratic decision. What is disgusting is the way so many cheer at the money spent to protect priveledge and scream like little babies at any money spent to save American lives or to make things even a bit better for those most vulnerable among us. Some people have no capacity to even understand compassion or empathy. Those people are sick and need help
September 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm:)
September 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSlappyMORON
You are a disgusting pile of dogshit. You are nothing but a punkass troll. It is just sad watching you beg us to pity you post after post. Like the crackwhore you are begging for an other bit for your pityfix. You are sad, stupid, and pathetic.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pmWow.. Lieberman proves once again that he is unintelligent and out of touch. Now if he comes out as either a birther or a tenther, he’s the perfect republican trifecta!
September 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pmTexas-run VA? Employees hired from the heart of Texas? Now that DOESN’T suck! Everyone knows Texas has a great education system!
September 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pmHe’s a spineless liar. Simple as that.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pmSlappyBastinado says
September 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/tx_dallas_va_hospital_nations_worst.htm
Government run health care?
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Your link is about a VA hospital in Dallas, and the article is from 2005, when funding for the Veterans Administration suffered a great deal.
The VA works perfectly well when funded properly, but this VA hospital is completely irrelevant to a public option.
The VA provides government care in government facilities funded by government money.
The public option (as it has been proposed) people getting care from private providers, paid for by insurance administered by the government at no profit, funded as much as possible by premiums from the insureds, and subsidized by the government where necessary. Like Medicare, not the VA.
If you want to debate intelligently, you might want to bring the right weapons for the fight. And citing a poorly run VA hospital during the Bush administration doesn’t make a case against a public option.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pmSlappyBastinado says:
:)
I agree with the point you are trying to make: if we the people don’t have the nominal amount of green paper you say we should have on hand, even if it’s $1 billion for an office visit, personal responsibility rules still take effect and if we the people can’t pay, we should die. I like that I idea. And I love you. America needs you as its father figure. Keep talking down to ‘em, boy.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:56 pmMatt Miller, Senior Fellow at The Center for American Progress(Which runs this blog), doesn’t seem all too keen on it either, being willing to except that “it means that unlike some other advanced countries, we’ll have billions of “health” dollars siphoned off by middlemen and marketers”. Will this blog cover its own? Or will it simply allow them to make the same argument it rebukes in this article? Check it out at C&L.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pmJoe lying through his teeth. Is that even news?
September 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pmIf Traitor Joe would listen to the people instead of his repugniscum cronies, he would not utter these stupid remarks.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pmThe public DOES want the option – only politicians are wrangling over it (searching for ways to profit from it either financially or politically).
Slappy: “we who live, by choice, so far from the city dwellers I have no police protection or fire protection of any usable kind and no kids yet I pay for these services at full rate.”
And yet, you need public roads to get to town for supplies. Why should the people in town pay for your way into town, you leeching socialist? They don’t need to get to your shack out in the middle of nowhere, but they’re paying anyway.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pmGame, set, and match to NinerFan. Alas, the poor stupid troll won’t realize his “argument” was just utterly destroyed.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pmNinerFan says:
AND they paid to get electricity out TO the worthless moocher
September 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pmSlappyBastinado says:
Punkass Bush did nothing about this travisty in his HOME STATE…..
Yet you said nothing about which administration when you posted the link, thinking we were dumb enough to take it at face value? Slappy tries to tar government in general, when it’s really republican governance that’s incompetent. All those years under Bush has warped Slappy’s view of what government is, and what it does.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pmThanks, Pete! Some of these trolls lead with their chins.
September 8th, 2009 at 6:04 pmshoeless says:
What the GOP REALLY means
Uh, Shoeless, I think if you read alot of his posts…it’s satire.
Maybe he needs to put the /snark in bold for you
;-)
September 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pmNinerFan says: And yet, you need public roads to get to town for supplies. Why should the people in town pay for your way into town.
September 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm======================================================
Sorry, you are in WAY over your head….. all roads needed to access my property were paid for and built by ME. ALL utility’s required by law were permitted AND PAID FOR BY ME!
City people…..sheeeesshhh!
SlappyBastinado: “all roads needed to access my property were paid for and built by ME.”
How do you get to your access road, slappy? You think the highway got there by the magic of the market. Have you ever heard of a little thing called “rural electrification?” Are you aware of the fact that the public pays most of the cost for the telephone lines that get out to your property? Is there anything stopping some corporation from coming and buying the property right next to you and destroying it for financial gain? How about if somebody buys the property next to you and clear-cuts it? If this is going to hurt the value of your property, to whom will you complain? If somebody comes up there when you’re gone and rips you off, who are you going to call? The Libertarian Party?
Man, wise up!
September 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pmSlappyBastinado – seems to have been Slapped one two many times.
He has two brain cells and one isn’t working.
September 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pmer ah, too many times…..geez
September 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pmSlappy: “City people…..sheeeesshhh!”
I’ve lived in the deep country, the not so deep country and a couple of large cities and I’ve got to tell you – country people are over-rated. People are generally much nicer and more social in cities than they are in the country. In the country, you’ve got a lot of paranoia and loathing. In cities, people have learned how to live around each other.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pmThere you go again,Senator.Acting like you actually speak to and for the public.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:07 pmdoo-sh bag or scum; either will do.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pmout to pasture to the glue factory take a hike
And to think Joe was a hairbreadth away from the presidency as THE DEMOCRATIC candidate for Vice President .
September 8th, 2009 at 7:36 pmHow many here fell in line behind his candidacy after the “primaries “?
The progressives need either an honest seat at the table or a new party !
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/why-the-public-option-matters/
September 8th, 2009 at 7:45 pmfreeman: “The progressives need either an honest seat at the table or a new party !”
It sounds so easy when you put it that way. Unfortunately, any new party needs to start from the ground up and spend a lot of time building political power bases around the country. Until a progressive third party can actually get people elected at a state and national level, build political coalitions and enjoy a significant support among the population, all it does is split the vote and make it easier for conservatives to win.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pmOnce again, JoeJoe PROVES he is an idiot but follows republican lying points well..The man is a disgrace but the press keeps on going back cause they believe they may actually get some snippet of a sound bite out of him…Pathetic…
The media is as guilty as JoeJoe for being too stupid to figure out he’s brain dead…
September 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pmSo get to work bro !
September 8th, 2009 at 8:06 pmAt present only the “corporate citizens are represented in Washihgton. If the democrats want a health care bill they will have to go through the progressive caucus !!!
Sounds like a pretty good bargaining chip !
The Democrats should either be led around by the nose or put out of their misery !!! I hope that sounds sufficiently threatening to our bought and paid for leadership !!!
September 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pmWE WANT CHANGE !!! NOW !!!
A new gallup poll says that 37% support, while 39% oppose their member of Congress voting for a health care reform bill.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122822/Americans-Sharply-Divided-Healthcare-Reform.aspx
September 8th, 2009 at 8:25 pmShortly before the 2006 elections, the Cato Institute published a study that argued that libertarian-oriented voters were abandoning the Republican Party due in large part to the war in Iraq, the Bush Administration’s reckless fiscal policies, and a War on Terror policy that showed little regard for civil liberties.
September 8th, 2009 at 8:30 pmObama’s bailouts for wallstreet and his continuation of Bushes unconstitutional approach to governing is reversing this trend .
Perhaps there is common ground on these issues on both the left and the right ?
Lieberman has not a single shred of respect left. A shande fur de goyim!
September 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pmSlappyBastinado says:
You are a liar. You ran your own power lines all the way from the city to your house? No you didnt you moocher
September 8th, 2009 at 8:45 pmJP’s thoughts: you have to look very carefully at all these polls about health care reform. It depends on how they ask the questions and where they are. For example, the latest CNN/Time poll shows 55% say they want a public option to “compete” with private healthcare, but when Survey USA asks if people want the “choice” of a public option, 77% say yes.
It’s hard to say what this Gallup really means. A significant portion may be saying don’t vote for it because they think there won’t be a public option.
September 8th, 2009 at 8:47 pmNinerFan:
It is interesting. Even in the SurveyUSA Poll, 43% oppose Obama’s plan. And that poll was conducted in mid August…a lot has changed since then.
Here’s the link for the survey if anyone is interested:
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693
September 8th, 2009 at 9:02 pmIn plain English, it means that Joe Lieberman is a liar.
What else is new?
September 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pmI support public toilets.
September 8th, 2009 at 9:28 pmGood. Then go stick your head in one. Or pick one and I’ll meet you there and shove your head down the public toilet myself.
September 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pmEugeneDebs says:
You are a liar. You ran your own power lines all the way from the city to your house? No you didn’t you moocher
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Actually the local PUD, which is anything but, hooked me up at the closest underground line……but during the night I fooled em…….I tied the lines to the nearest Current Bush. DA!
September 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pmJP: “It is interesting. Even in the SurveyUSA Poll, 43% oppose Obama’s plan. And that poll was conducted in mid August…a lot has changed since then.”
Right. That poll shows 58% think a public option is extremely important and 19% think it’s important. The lack of response for Obama’s plan might be because he never has really presented a plan or, again, it could be because he hasn’t expressed strong support for a public option.
But, in general, I find all polls on health care to very obfuscatory.
September 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pmI support public toilets.
Do you jack them up and lower them onto your shoulders or just burrow underneath?
September 8th, 2009 at 9:59 pmSlappy: “Actually the local PUD, which is anything but, hooked me up at the closest underground line..”
Thanks for making my case. I appreciate it. You are your most formidable opponent.
September 8th, 2009 at 10:00 pmkwsventures says:
I support ignorant pieces of shit like you shutting the F$CK up since you are nothing but punkass trolls. You are stupid. You are worthless and I scrape things better than you off my shoe
September 9th, 2009 at 2:03 amSlappyMORON
You actually think you are clever and funny dont you? Did you hear that on the shortbus? You are stupid and you are pathetic and you are at your MOST stupid and pathetic when you think you are clever. Just STFU. Stop humiliating yourself stop begging us to pity you post after post it is sad. It is humiliating to everyone who has to witness your shame and humiliation. You are pathetic we get it. Stop already. There is no pity here for you.
September 9th, 2009 at 2:05 amDear Joe, Stop talking to just republicans and talk to the rest of America and you will find out that, ONCE AGAIN, you are wrong.
September 9th, 2009 at 10:49 amDoesn’t Joe have an excellent health plan funded by the US taxpayer? Of course he does, he’s a congressman. ANYONE who currently has a health plan has NO CREDIBILITY slamming the public option.
September 9th, 2009 at 11:42 amThank you for your sharing.!
September 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pmComing from the guy who backed McCain/Palin? Yeah, let’s trust him to interpret what Americans want…
It makes me sick when I think about how forgiving Dems were after he backed the offensive Republican attacks against Obama…
September 14th, 2009 at 10:03 amI’ll ignore the actual numbers for support of the public option and say good call Senator…..guess that means by your reasoning the continuation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are no longer attainable as well. Glad we can agree on at least the ladder of these issues. Right Senator.. gögüs küçültme
September 15th, 2009 at 6:33 am